>AI gets released>as a side effect it beats all other machine translation systems (it's still shitty, but it's better)>Google has its own AI>Has tons of money>Its translation service is widely used>Somehow can't update itSomeone explain this, without using the word "jeets"
Weebs will do anything OTHER than admit japanese is a functionally broken language.
>>103231947>Someone explain thisgoogle translate was built on older neural network technologies that has not benefited from the innovations in large language models and google is unlikely to update translate for the same reason amazon couldn't figure out how to upgrade alexa with llms, the results aren't consistently better and would end up breaking a service that works as is for many people who aren't translating hentai but actually using it for genuine day to day translating needs
>>103231969>works as is for many people who aren't translating hentai but actually using it for genuine day to day translating needsbut it's clearly wrong about a very basic word that's used in day to day business.
>>103231988your individual experience does not scale to the millions of people using google translate in other languages. japanese is a language that is notorious for being difficult to translate and swapping the current backend with some heavy llm makes it uncompetitive, you get better translations from chatGPT because you pay $20 a month while translate is free with no strings attached and works on millions toaster android phones that real people do use and not because they're a weeb. Take for example the english to spanish translation are almost perfectly fine which has a higher population than weebs
>>103231947Japanese requires a lot of context to fully understand what's actually being conveyed. Who's the speaker/listener? Which one is the youngest/oldest? Which one is the highest/lowest ranking? Are they blood relatives or just friends? And so on and so on.Basically Japanese will in all probability be one of the last human languages that will get translated properly by AI and even then it might require full blown sentient AIs capable of forming opinions and/or have emotional processing capabilities. えっちのばかCan you imagine the utter shock and horror if you heard that from the sweet old neighborhood lady? Depending if she said this while smiling or not this could fuck your shit up yet at the same time, again depending on context, she could be referencing that her daughter likes you especially if she starts laughing.How the FUCK is AI going to take all that shit into account while having no more sentience than a bag of rocks? That's not even taking into account that moon runes phase changes from casual to polite when speaking vs writing for some retarded fucking reason I can't wrap my head around yet.
>>103231947That upgrade would require months of training a new model across multiple languages to get it to work the same as the current application, and it'll take even more time for it to be better. They're likely working on getting translate's backend upgraded, but since translate is functional and works just fine for most use cases, they're likely focusing on getting their main search engine AI to work properly
>>103232014An LLM could easily be run locally on a phone and be effectively "free" for google to provide.>>103232043>Japanese requires a lot of context to fully understand what's actually being conveyed.This is just cope that shitty translators use to justify their ignorance.
>>103232071Nope, what might seem like simple banter/insult can have implications that you can't even begin to imagine. You think "red flags" are bad in the English language? There's exponentially more in Japanese to the extent that it drives some of them to become NEETs that don't just refuse to face society but they're terrified of even talking to their parents. Think about how much of a mindfuck this language is and how like 90% of people who attempt to learn it get mentally exhausted and give up. That's why a lot of these Chinese cartoons don't make any sense when you stop and really think about it because the translator probably poorly understood nuances that would have lead to more subtle revelations of the plot/ending/whatever. Obviously funamation can go suck cocks but simply being an "observer" to things like Japanese speech isn't enough, you have to someone mentally assimilate the cute and funny characters as if they were right next to you and you knew them for a long time.t. currently trying my best to learn this thing and not using chatgpt because it keeps getting everything wrong私はも一人きりな
Worry not, nigga. I'm training a language model specifically to leave J*panese translators out of work. I'm poor so it's taking a lot of time
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>>103231947You will never be Japanese
Huh. Where the fuck is this thing even hallucinating deka from anyway? I thought it was just using the wrong chink reading like always but the second kanji only has ji/zu for that and the only reading for 刑 is kei...民事と刑事
>>103231964more like it's hard to translate agglutinative languages to fusional languages with all the implied context and nuance. If you try translating a complex sentence from Finnish to English or Turkish to English you'll see it also sucks
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>>103232043>Who's the speaker/listener? Which one is the youngest/oldest? Which one is the highest/lowest ranking? Why can't it just ask you these things to improve the translation?
>>103232837Because usually this isn't possible, it must be inferred. Writing walls of text giving extensive backgrounds to characters would bore people do death.Sometimes it's not as simple as making them cute and funny because the Japanese love fucking with people. You want what looks like children driving cars or being the brains of a group to nuke people's expectations for teh lulz? Anime has you covered senpai and the fucking novels will probably NEVER agree with the anime because the latter is often lead by COWARDS.
>>103232394It's very common slang.>「刑事」は、デカとも俗称される。これは明治時代、刑事が制服を着用せずに角袖の着物を着ていたことから、盗人の間で「かくそで」の倒語である「そでかく」(「くそでか」とも)から一部を抜き取った隠語で「でか」と呼んだのが一般に広まったものである。
What's the best AI translator?
too many people use Google Translate for them to afford to switch it over to LLMs while still offering it for freeThe compute costs would be ruinous
I've been learning Japanese recently and google translate seems fine to meWhenever I put a sentence into chat gpt to explain it to me the translation it provides is usually close enough to google translateYeah usually google translate makes it more generic, for example ておく
>>103232911>クソでかHoly shit, Google is training their AI on the Japanese shitposting about, detectives?
>>103231947Natural language translation is a fundamentally difficult problem. DeepL is usually more natural-sounding but pays for it in being more likely to just make shit up.
>>103231947In this case, it's inability to accurately romanize words has nothing to do with AI and more to do with their outdated dictionary.
>>103231964It's a normal human language with a ridiculous Rube Goldberg writing system.
>>103233092The AI hallucinated the slang for detective. It thought the user made and error and tried to correct it by implying that the user actually meant "civil matters and the fucking/shit detectives" or something like that.I pray to go someone unironically uses this is real life and the government officials fail to keep a straight face.
>>103232043Was this written by an LLM? Because none of that bla bla has anything to do with 刑事 being pronounced でか
>>103231964japanese relies heavily on context, something machines cant do well. on the other hand english can be spoken by retards.
>>103233134Actually it does because a detective using that slang wouldn't be a problem, I think. Otherwise don't use it in real life.
>>103233134I didn't realize the thread was about this one particular kanji misreading rather than general difficulties with Japanese.
>>103232043>>103232149Japanese is one of the easiest languages to learn. The government literally limited the system to about 2k base words. Japanese also has the easiest grammar ever. The only hard thing here is that they have two spellings but you get the hang of that easily. Compare that to the 5k-20k base words and up to 9 grammatical cases of other languages. You only think Japanese is hard because your native language is English which is truly a baby tier language, or you're just retarded. Not to mention you have tons of source material available to learn Japanese e.g. manga and anime while other languages require you to read 400 year old novels.
>>103233155That's the point, in certain situations this isn't a misreading. Why would google-sama immediately assume you intend to use slang is beyond me. That's pretty fucking goofy to say the least.
>>103233167lolno, best you're gonna get if you stick with tardware like rosetta stone is basic communication with middle school children who haven't learned enough slang yet and have similar shit grammar comprehension.
>>103233172Isn't the part that generates the romanization separate from the part that generates the translation?>>103233167>The government literally limited the system to about 2k base words.Kanji =/= words. Lots of words not written in kanji, lots of words that are read in ways unpredictable from their kanji, lots of words that mean things unpredictable from their kanji, lots of kanji with multiple readings...>Not to mention you have tons of source material available to learn Japanese e.g. manga and anime while other languages require you to read 400 year old novels.I didn't realize Japanese was the only language modern media is still being produced in.
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>>103233191That's because you're a brainlet not because Japanese is hard>>103233206I literally just wrote that, still not a hard language overall. Try to learn a language with 15k base words, every noun has a randomly assigned gender and 9 different cases, then we talk. Japanese is an easy language. Easy to learn, easy to master.
>>103233167Japanese is easy to learn due to manga.You can study for a bit, find a comic with suitable complexity in whatever topic interests you and start reading to get practical experience. You'll get a lot of visual aids, context and hints to help you recall old words and learn new ones and figure out grammar.
>>103233473I'm telling you kanji are not the same thing as words. As a thought experiment, imagine if Japanese were written all in kana, like Korean uses all hangul, and think about how many 'words' it would be considered to have.>>103233479Aren't there comic books published in most major languages of the world?
>>103233508Bro I speak 8 languages including Japanese fluently you don't need to tell me how the fucking language works. 90% of Japanese is just Kanji and Kanji with a modification, the rest is mostly English or German as Katakana. The amount of pure Hiragana is negligible.
>>103233590Brother there are probably ~1000 people on Earth who actually speak 8+ languages fluently and you ain't one of them
>>103233508>Aren't there comic books published in most major languages of the world?Nowhere near the amount of Japanese. And the breadth of topics they cover is also rather limited.Imagine if you wanted to learn English and didn't care about super heroes.
>>103233621lol whatever you say bro, if it makes you feel better. Not everyone is a brainlet like you tho.
>>103233590Spoken languages are not composed of written characters.
>>103233630There... are absolutely comics in English not about superheroes?
>>103233621>there are probably ~1000 people on Earth who actually speak 8+ languages fluentlythere are whole communities with millions of members build around learning languages, 8 isn't even considered that much inside these communities, there are people who can speak 30 different languages fluently
>>103233167japanese among chinese and arabic are the hardest languages to learn requiring 4000+ hours for someone of indo european originenglish requires 500 for the same level of fluency
>>103233645How many English comics about mathematics, medicine or marriage are there?
>>103233727With the rise of webcomics and webtoons? Must be a few.
>>103233673>there are people who can speak 30 different languages fluentlyNo there aren't. There are people who memorise a handful of phrases in a variety of languages then claim to be fluent in 30 languages. It's enough to regurgitate your pre-memorized phrases in a 20-second conversation to pretend you speak that language in a YouTube video, then move onto the next language.And the so-called polyglots who do actually speak more than 5 languages are almost always "cheating" by learning multiple extremely closely related languages. For example:>English, Dutch, Afrikaans, German, Luxembourgish, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian All form a cluster of closely related languages. A native English speaker could learn all of them with about as much effort as it would take to learn Mandarin. So it is really impressive? Not really. Another popular cluster is the Romance languages: >Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian, Galician, SicilianPersonally I think you cannot be called a polyglot if you only speak European languages.
>>103231947Just ask o1 or 4o-latest Much better than any legacy translator and also understands context
>>103233746>Personally I think you cannot be called a polyglot if you only speak European languages.What about Hungarian or Basque or Maltese?
>>103232992I tried DeepL to translate from Korean to English and I had to do so much manual editing afterwards. I was translating diplomatic correspondences between USSR and South Korea and it kept translating USSR into China, or translated what amounts to "two countries", meaning the USSR and ROK in this context as North and South Korea. It's alright for simple stuff but I'd not bother spending money on it, I'm glad they have a trial option for that.
>>103233755nobody here can afford o1 and nobody knows how to get it for freeThis isnt aicg
>>103233760I was debating whether to write "European languages" or "Indo-European languages", when what I really meant is Indo-European languages from Europe. Because for some reason these people never learn languages like Hindi or Farsi.If they actually learnt something like Basque, Hungarian or Finnish then fair enough. But they never do, because learning a non-Indo-European language is actually difficult. They'd rather pump their numbers up by learning the easiest languages possible.
>>103233755>>103233791Here u gohttps://wulfs-den.ink/https://sir-pro3-proxy.org/o1 4 free
>>103233147What is going to be the next globohomo language after English then?
>>103232043>Can you imagine the utter shock and horror if you heard that from the sweet old neighborhood lady?considering that she's a 70-year-old white woman who has lived in the midwest her entire life, yes it would be rather jarring if she starting speaking in moon runes
>>103233816dutch
>>103231964so is english
>>103233793>Because for some reason these people never learn languages like Hindi or Farsi.Would Farsi really be significantly harder than, say, Russian or Lithuanian?
>>103233816Hola
>>103233816Possibly Chinese.
>>103231947We need to eliminate Japanese as a language as the weakest link in the network.
>>103231947These translators are also AI by any reasonable definition of AI, they're even using the same fucking technology as those silly chatbots they're currently hyping.And no, the chatbots aren't any better at translating. (They're arguably worse, at least more visibly worse, the amount of bad machine translation has multiplied expotentially in recent years.)
>>103233746Holy brainlet cope
The biggest problem with learning all those languages is that you need to read some shit in those languages to actually start understanding them well, yet more often than not, there is zero incentive to read anything in those languages. With English you can at least google various questions in English and find answers that are far superior than anything you would find in my native language, for example. Especially if it's programming related.
>>103233859Your empty response indicates you have a subpar IQ
>>103233746You are truly retarded if you actually believe English and German or Spanish, French and Italian are easy to learn just because you know a language from the same family.
>>103233882It's certainly easier for an English speaker to learn German or Swedish than it is for them to learn Japanese or Turkish.
>>103233882English borrows extensively from those languages, so yes it is easier to learn them if you have a background in English
>>103231947there is not a one-to-one translation for a lot of sentences/words. languages are different for reasons other than pure syntax. for example, with chinese, you can't just say "no" to a question, you have to completely restate the entire question with an additional word inside that's basically "not". even though you can see this as one-to-one, there are a lot of things that simply are not. i assume you would mostly see this, for example, when translating western to non-western.
>>103233891English doesn't borrow extensively from German, but it is closely related to it.
>>103233886>>103233891Then why don't you speak German fluently if it's so easy?
>>103233899I didn't say it was easy as an absolute statement. I said it was easiER. As for me, I have no real reason to learn it.
>>103233882I am a native English speaker who self-studied to fluency in French and Russian and am currently studying Mandarin.French is so easy for an English speaker it is just a complete joke. Most of the words are familiar, the grammar is relatively simple. The only hard parts are memorising the verb conjugations and whether each noun is masculine or feminine. There is nothing in French that is extremely difficult for a native English speaker.Russian was a step up in difficulty from that. I had to memorise noun declension tables (each noun has 12 forms, and the forms depend on whether the noun is masculine, feminine, or neuter, as well as depending on the noun's ending itself). Adjectives have 24 forms. There are a few concepts that are extremely difficult for English speakers, like perfective vs. imperfect verb aspects and verbs of motion. Even now I make mistakes with those.Chinese is another step up from Russian. You are starting with absolutely zero knowledge, everything about it is foreign: the phonology, the grammar, the vocabulary, and the orthography. Putting aside the obvious challenging things like tones and Chinese characters, the grammar is just completely foreign, and in ways you never even considered.Basically, learning a Romance or Germanic language as a native English speaker is a complete joke. It doesn't require you to learn any difficult concepts. At worst you will have to learn to conjugate verbs and decline nouns & adjectives in ways that are relatively trivial.
>>103233746>>103233882>>103233886>>103233891Japanese is a lot easier to learn than German, even as a native English speaker. German has 5x the amount of base words, every noun has an additional gender and 4 grammatical cases and there a tons of exceptions and exceptions of exceptions. Japanese has none of these. If you knew anything about Japanese you'd also know that they borrow tons of words from English, much more than English borrows from German. By just knowing English and Katakana and a set of like 20 Kanji you can already reliably read a lot of Japanese, try the same with German. You guys are larping retards who don't know anything about languages.
>>103233947Yes but we are talking about Japanese not about Chinese and Russian which are certainly much harder to learn.
>>103233957>Japanese is a lot easier to learn than German, even as a native English speakerNo linguist agrees with you. Look at e.g. the foreign service institute's ratings.>German has 5x the amount of base wordsOnly if you define kanji as "words". Which they aren't. And an English-speaker will recognize a much higher proportion of German's basic vocabulary, because they're related.> every noun has an additional genderYou can tell which like 90% of the time if you know a few dozen endings and rules, but granted it's worse than some other European languages in that regard. On the other hand, in Japanese you have measure words.>Japanese has none of these.一日? 大人? する/しない/して?>If you knew anything about Japanese you'd also know that they borrow tons of words from English, much more than English borrows from German.Mostly for modern concepts. If something existed in Japan 1000 years ago, the Japanese word for it is probably unrecognizable to English-speakers. Not the case for German, because it's related to English.>By just knowing English and Katakana and a set of like 20 Kanji you can already reliably read a lot of JapaneseLol. Lmao even.
>>103234003>You can tell which like 90% of the time if you know a few dozen endings and ruleslol>Mostly for modern concepts.Newspaper Japanese is 90% modern concepts>Lol. Lmao even.You clearly don't know a thing about Japanese so why are you keep replying? I'm fluent in Japanese since 15 years. Your damage control is embarrassing
>>103234033>I'm fluent in Japanese since 15 yearsYou're not fluent in English so I doubt the Japanese part
>>103234033>Newspaper Japanese is 90% modern conceptsMany of which are not referred to by English words.>I'm fluent in Japanese since 15 years.Apparently not fluent in English though. だけどね、日本語ほんとそんなペラペラならば見本見せない?
>>103234003Go to a Japanese newspaper website RIGHT NOW. 30% of the words are literally English written in Katakana. Most of these 1000 year old words aren't even taught in school so 99% of the Japanese population doesn't know them either unless they studied religion or history. You will not find these kind of words in a newspaper or manga and if you do they will be explained to you in a note next to it.
>>103234003>>103234051>>103234068As a Japanese native reading your shit is so funny because you don't know anything about Japanese and think you are some kind of expert LOL
>>103234086Often people are remarkably ignorant about their own native language. Being a native Japanese speaker (which is probably bullshit, but assuming it's true) doesn't mean every claim you make about Japanese is true.If you are the faggot claiming that you can read Japanese with just a knowledge of English, katakana and a handful of Kanji, then you are a complete retard.
>>103234051>>103234068>does one spelling mistake>yOu ClEaRlY not FlUeNt In EnGlIsH lOlAnd that's the kind of replies you get from mutts who don't even speak a second language to begin with lmao
>>103234099I'm a different person but he is right in that Japanese is mostly English these days (and I fucking hate it)
>>103234105That's not a spelling mistakeA fluent English speaker would say "I've been fluent in Japanese since I was 15"
so much gaijin larping ITT
Is there anything more pathetic than a weeb? Japanese people literally hate you. They are the most racist nation in existence, the only reason you don't realise it is because they're too polite and indirect to shout racial abuse at you on the streets. But they'll find various non-confrontational ways to discriminate against you.Why would you idolise a nation that thinks you're inherently inferior? It's like a black person being a white supremacist, it is so fucking pathetic and cucked. I think most people realise this on a subconscious level which is why they're repulsed by weebs. Well, that and the fact that they tend to be smelly, annoying autists.
>>103234136We love Europeans. We only hate Koreans and Blacks and sometimes Americans
>>103234074Okay, let's use mainichi.jp as an example. Just looking at the top few headlines, and dividing by 文節:>兵庫・斎藤元彦知事、パワハラ疑惑は「業務上の指導や注意だった」>兵庫Sino-Japanese>斎藤元彦Proper noun, Sino-Japanese + native>知事Sino-Japanese>パワハラEnglish>疑惑はSino-Japanese>業務上のSino-Japanese>指導やSino-Japanese>注意だったSino-JapaneseThat's 12.5% English, 6.25% native Japanese, and 81.25% Sino-Japanese. But okay, maybe that one was a fluke, let's try another:>谷川俊太郎さん 2年前に聞いた「鉄腕アトム」主題歌作詞のこと>谷川俊太郎さんProper noun, native + Sino-Japanese>2年前にSino-Japanese + native>聞いたNative>鉄腕アトムProper noun, Sino-Japanese + English>主題歌Sino-Japanese>作詞のSino-Japanese>ことNativeThat's about 7.1% English, 42.8% native, and 50.1% Sino-Japanese. Damn, that's not a very high ratio, let's try one more.>変わる通学の形 学校がなくなる日は来るか?>変わるNative>通学のSino-Japanese>形Native>学校がSino-Japanese>なくなるNative>日はNative>来るかNativeThat's about 28.6% Sino-Japanese,71.4% native Japanese, and ZERO percent English.Okay, maybe this is just a trait of headline language? Let's try the first couple sentences of the first story and see how body text fares:>兵庫県知事選で再選を果たした斎藤元彦知事(47)は19日午後、県庁で就任後初めて記者会見に臨んだ。>兵庫県Proper noun (Sino-Japanese)>知事選でSino-Japanese>再選をSino-Japanese>果たしたNative>斎藤元彦Proper noun (Sino-Japanese + native)>知事はSino-Japanese>19日Sino-Japanese>午後Sino-Japanese>県庁でSino-Japanese>就任後Sino-Japanese>初めてNative>記者会見にSino-Japanese>臨んだNativeI count about 26.9% native, 73.1% Sino-Japanese and 0% English. (Length limit)
>>103234117That's not even the same sentence, are you literally retarded anon?>>103234180>look at my cherry-picked examples I know so much about Japanese lololYou are embarrassing yourself
>>103234190>That's not even the same sentenceYour broken English makes it difficult to tell Were you trying to say "I've been fluent in Japanese for 15 years" then?Because no fluent speaker would ever say the phrase "I'm fluent in Japanese since 15 years."
>>103234074>>103234180>斎藤氏は3月、自身のパワーハラスメントを含む複数の疑惑を文書で内部告発された。>斎藤氏はProper noun (Sino-Japanese)>3月Sino-Japanese>自身のSino-Japanese>パワーハラスメントをEnglish>含むNative>複数のSino-Japanese>疑惑をSino-Japanese>文書でSino-Japanese>内部告発されたSino-JapaneseI count 11.1% native, 11.1% English, and 77.8% Sino-Japanese. Okay, one last sentence:>県議会の調査特別委員会(百条委)による真相究明が進められている中での船出になる。>県議会のSino-Japanese>調査特別委員会によるSino-Japanese>百条委Sino-Japanese>真相究明がSino-Japanese>進められているNative>中でのNative>船出にNative>なるNativeThat's 42.8% native, 57.1% Sino-Japanese, and zero percent English. Have I proven my point yet?>>103234086Oh, I'm well aware I'm not native-level fluent in Japanese. I just don't think this asshole is either.>>103234190>cherry-pickedThese are literally the first three current headlines, and the first three sentences of the first story, of a major Japanese newspaper site. You can visit mainichi.jp yourself to verify this.
>>103233147Only reason that exists is because its literally everywhere on earth products are in english. Even in Japan half of their shit is in english. I always laugh when Japanese say they don't understand english yet use a fuck load of it every day when Japanese has an equivalent. Just randomly.
>>103234222>reason>exist>literally>product>use>equivalent>randomAll of these are French or Latin words. Do you understand French or Latin?
>>103234219And why are you picking only the headlines of a conservative newspaper? Why not the full text of a normal newspaper? What are you even trying to proof here? Bro I'm fluent in Japanese. I know Japanese. You don't know Japanese. What are you trying to convince me of here? What are you trying to proof to me? Why are you wasting so much time when you're clearly wrong?Maybe if you wouldn't waste all your time larping on some image board you could spend it actually learning Japanese instead you know. I will not reply to you anymore I got better things to do.
>>103234234This is completely different as english uses words from the same tree. I could understand if I said Chinese but Japanese will literally use words that are english and multiple times. Its not like when i go into a store and the product displayed is in all french with some very minor writing in english either. In japan this happens all the time or full on sentences in french or something.
>>103234251>>103234219Two weebs arguing over who is a bigger weeb. Most pathetic thing I've seen all day.
>>103234251>And why are you picking only the headlines of a conservative newspaper?You said "a japanese newspaper", you didn't specify which one.>Why not the full text of a normal newspaper?I also looked at the first three sentences of the first story.>What are you even trying to proof here?That your numbers were completely pulled out of your ass.>Bro I'm fluent in Japanese. I know Japanese.Which is why you think Japanese newspapers are 30% English and you can read most of a Japanese text with 20 kanji. But okay, what's a newspaper you would consider acceptable evidence? So you can't move the goalposts again.>>103234252What do you mean, same tree?
>>103234257I don't even watch anime, my company is doing business in Japan.
They have captured the market, just like google search they only and to optimize income and remove features now because they dont think anyone is gonna switch.Ask your AI of choice if you want a proper translation.
>>103234251>>103234282And I'll add these statistics here find that you need anywhere from a little over 100 to nearly 200 characters to get even 50% coverage.https://scriptin.github.io/kanji-frequency/#cumulative-coverage
>>103233002Basically this. It's known that google translate uses a small model so they can offer it for free.
>>103233167>The government literally limited the system to about 2k base words.Actual retard coming through.
>>103234454Especially when the words written with non-jouyou kanji still exist, they're just respelled with jouyou kanji or with kana.
>>103233957>By just knowing English and Katakana and a set of like 20 Kanji you can already reliably read a lot of JapaneseI don't even know where this idea comes from.Is this just talking about signage? Like street signs and public transport stuff in Tokyo?
>>103234251>Bro I'm fluent in Japanese. I know Japanese.Most people I know who think they are fluent in Japanese get 日本語上手ですねed and think it is an honest complement. I think you're the same.
Little bro is still at it lol, can't make this shit up, truly a lost soul
>>103231969That didn't stop them from killing image search.
>>103233882bruh, italian and spanish are literally 50% mutually intelligible
>>103234486Bro just watched filthy frank's Japanese 101 videos and now it's fluent where it counts.
>>103233894>with chinese, you can't just say "no" to a questionIm pretty sure that's incorrect
>>103232043but, wait a minute, twitter even in other languages is a place of extremely ambiguous speech, so how do the Japanese use twitter?
>>103238570stupid frog nigger
>>103232465Correct. That's why for a turkish person it's easier to learn Japanese than English(of course excluding the complexity of the Japanese alphabet). You can translate turkish to Japanese word by word without any context and you'll still end up with a sentence that makes sense.t. turkroach
>>103234086>As a Japanese nativeHow'd you learn English?
>>103239064This is just subject-object-verb vs subject-verb-object.In Japanese's case, the subject is implied, the object is "the suit I saw across the street from my hotel", the verb is 'try on'.This is not a huge deal and you get the hang of it after a day. You just modify the object as usual and the verb comes later. Why the fuck do people try to complicate this shit to make themselves look smarter.
>>103233104it actually has the best writing system
>>103239705Objectively does not. Pictographs that are not faster to read but require students to learn them for 12+ years. Meanwhile a 5 year old can read everything the language offers. Japanese students can't read properly until university. Absolutely retarded system, at least Korea had the intelligence to redo their entire writing system and get rid of the retarded pictures.
>>103239705Do you know why?
>>103233153But that's like trying to translate "Police" from English to Danish and the pronunciation help for English showing "popo". It has nothing to do with Japanese. It simply showed a different word with the same meaning, albeit derogatory.
>>103239510Probably a 帰国子女
>>103239684Actually half of that has less to do with object-verb vs verb-object, and more on how we deal with phrases that describe a thing. In English, we put the fact that we saw the suit across the street from the hotel... AFTER the suit. And we're not even consistent, because we could also say it's black and leather, but that would have to come BEFORE the suit. Meanwhile in Japanese, "everything that describes a thing comes before the thing". So instead it's the I-saw-across-the-street-from-my-hotel suit.
>>103231964Yep!I've been to Japan twice and I can tell you right nowEnglish is just better languageHell even when I was too nervous to speak and had to use ASL they understood my ASL better than even each other.
>>103233816Unironically Spanish or French Which at times is largely the same language
>>103231964all asian languages are horribly inefficient. its insane they still communicate with small drawings
>>103232014even ignoring weebshit it can be pretty bad at times. translation errors on the level of yes becoming a no are not uncommon
>>103231947It seems to have trouble with kanji with multiple readings, especially if any context is needed to choose which reading. And it performs particularly poorly with kanji inside of names.
>>103231947Two words. Tiny Hats. You know is true.
>>103231947>Someone explain this, without using the word "jeets"it's the indians
>>103231964I used to think Japanese was some kind of exclusively obtuse language until I considered the word "fine" in english.Fine, it has like 5 different meanings depending on context.>Pay the fine (Monetary charge)>You look fine today (Looks nice)>I'm fine, thanks (I am ok)>The knife has a very fine point (Indication of precision)>Well you picked a fine time to turn up didn't you? (Negative connotation)I think most languages are contextual nightmares until you get the hang of them. The bigger issue with Japanese is having Chinese bullshit runes alongside a mostly functional but long winded system of writing in kana/hiragana.
>>103233816¡Hola, yo onions Pablo, anonzito!
>>103247386https://jisho.org/search/生
