Now that the dust has properly settled... from a technology standpoint which one was superior?
Not another thread about the Cell
>>103245044None of those POS could ever hold a candle to best bing bing wahoo.
>>103245044The 360. It isn't even a difficult question. Xenon was a far better CPU than the Cell in practice, featuring three of the Cell's main PPE cores instead of the PS3's one. Nobody has ever question the fact that Xenos utterly raped and buried the RSX, which didn't even have support for unified shaders. That's all before you even get into the RAM split on PS3 or the impressive eDRAM trick on the 360.
>>103245140>gamecube/ps2 but somehow even weaker and worse and released 6 years laterThe Wii is a very strong slop contender next to the Wii U & the Shitch
My europoor ass couldn't comprehend people would willingly pay a monthly fee to play online back in fucking 2007. As a result my entire highschool was on Playstation 3, only the few weird kids who listened to metal had Xbox. Being able to play Halo and Gears of War was very cool but other than that I felt like PS3 had more games.
>>103245140And the press says:"Nintendo Wiis are selling like crack!"But that's because it's a cheap PS2Dressed up like a Mac
probably ps3, it shows on 1080p games but, i believe it was hard to program the videogames there, thus, most games were to put it simple like an XBox binary, thus the games looked like shit compared to xbox
>>103245452so not ps3
>>103245424It was a cheap GameCube dressed up like a Mac. Literally.>>103245452The 360 has native 1080p games too. Many of the same ones in fact, like Virtua Tennis 3. Most of the PS3's "1080p" games are fake. Like Gran Turismo 5 has a "1080p" mode, yet it actually renders at 1280x1080 with horizontal scaling. You also lose the 4x MSAA from the 720p mode and get shitty TAA instead. It's actually less demanding to run the game with a 1080p base resolution in RPCS3 as a result.
>>103245359>PS3 had more games.>PS3>Games
>>103245044As a complete package for media and gaming (assuming it has games)? the triple mogs the xbawks it's not even funny. Wifi, hdmi, insane amount of formats supported full backwards compatibility out of the box and maybe a bunch of other shit I'm forgetting right now, truly ahead of its time.Just for reference, a blu ray or SA-CD player alone would cost you a grand in 2006, and the estimated cost of the launch ps3 was above $600. The truth is that a regular dude that just wants to play cod doesn't really care about that shit, and as a gaming device the launch xbox is better, is cheaper and has been out there longer.The story goes that microsoft managed to get access to whatever sony planned as ps3 architecture, they saw that complex shit and said "we aint doing that" and that's how we got multiplats running much better on the 360. Even first party playstation 3 games were chugging hard, I recently replayed killzone 2 (8/10) and gran turismo 5 (actual peak) and even there you got some noticeable screen tearing.Xbox objectively had superior online capabilities, xbox live shits on early PSN which was very barebones, like at the beginning you couldn't even write a message to your friends without quitting the game, the ps3 on the other hand has free online which is huge.I think in general it's just a funny period of gaming, microsoft wanted to rush the xbox and be the first no matter what, if both just delayed their respective launches and done more tests maybe we wouldn't see an almost 50%+ failure rate on the launch xbox 360 with the RROD, or the 30%+ on the ps3 with the YLOD. Then it was just a game of cat and mouse between the two, with "halo killers", psn hack and shit. Both ended up selling almost the same number of units with wii shitting on both. The end.some mandatory sovlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8VHVaY8vy8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyufDxxWIsMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJp4hiMy4d8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVkGtVJVYps
>>103245359Based metal chads
>>103245044I would hope the PS3 given that the it came out later and was more expensive. >>103245359I had the original xbox but couldn't ever play online as I had no credit card in those days. For the xbox 360 I could just go to the toystore and get a 3 month subscription for 11-15€ or sometimes even a 6 month subscription for 22-25€ in promotions. I would have gotten bored of Halo way earlier than I did if I didn't have friends to play to the co-op with and randoes to kill online.
>>103245044the 360 was the only time microsoft was No. 1 in the console war
>>103245044The PS3 getting obsoleted by the 8800 GTXthat came out THREE DAYS before it will never not be funny to me>>103245359>PS3>games
>>103245044are we talking in general or fat ps3 vs launch 360? 'cause both of em had serious issues (yellow light of death vs red ring of death)
>>103245044cell is retard shit, not a mytical unicorn people thinkmuh supacomputa stuffthe fucking architecture is good only for stuff like FEA with its 8 retarded vector units with 256k visible sram
PS3 by longshot>Better graphics>Bluray full hd>Cell processor just rocket games at 60fps>Free net play>Best games and backwards compatible to real nostalgia games from 1995-2000
>>103246593GMS
>>103245044The PS3's cell processer was revolutionary for the time but it was hard to develop for
>>103246774anyone unironically saying this has absolutely no idea
>>103245424Fuck that brings me back
Xbox 360 had piracy. That made it the best choice for me. Why would I buy a PS3 and pay for games when I could crack open a 360 and flash the DVD drive? Many trips to Sams Club for $60 50 packs of dual layer Verbatim DVDs were made.
>hardware wise>og xbox was better than ps2>xbox360 was better than ps3>xbone was better than ps4>xbox series x is better than ps5>still losehow did they do it?
>>103245044I passed up a chance to buy a used PS3 slim w/ the cables and peripherals included for $45, now I am sad. I could buy both consoles under $100 if I timed it right.
>>103246997Microsoft sucks at everything.
>>103246997>>xbone was better than ps4Even base model PS4 had vastly superior GPU performance so much so that it made MS overcompensate later with the X vs PS4 Pro.
>>103246997>>xbone was better than ps4only the cpu was better, everything else sucks
>ps3 runs freebsd>ps4 runs freebsd>ps5 runs freebsdlmfao BSD has more games then loonix
>>103247166Try actually booting them on stock FreeBSD. Never forget how the cuck license actually works. That software is for the Sony machines not the cuck licensed OS.
>>103245044Remember the early 360s launched without HDMI support and no wifi
>>103248487yes but we had the VGA cable and at the time HDTVs had VGA. That is what I used.
>>103246997>xbone was better than ps4this is false and also where they went wrong and lost the market
>>103248856See how you speak in the past tense meanwhile ps3 chads can nostalgia right now with HDMI accuracy.
>>103248918well my first gen 360 RROD under warranty and it was right at the time when Microsoft had a bunch of 360 slims so I got a free 360 slim. Shit was cash and has HDMI and wifi plus a 250gb drive
>>103248890This never happened. Xbox 360 beat the PS3 but the Wii absolutely dominated
>>103248918HDMI is a garbage display standard.
>>103245140That bullshit wasn’t even hd, only Nintendo could get away with such
>>103249511it didnt matter because despite the enormous amount of shovelware, the games were fun to play with friends IRL and there is nothing else to compare. I had a lot of fun drinking beer and playing Cabela's or any of the "rails shooters" with a group of friends. We all remembered growing up with arcade shooters so it was great
>>103245826>insane amount of formats supported full backwards compatibility out of the boxwasn't the for late fat PS3The "all in one" approach of the first PS3 revisions seems years ahead of the time. If you had the money to buy your first FHD flatscreen, had a PS3, played games or watched blurays there was a clear advantage. But if you just wanted to play games online with your friends and the entertainment system features didn't matter? The Xbox 360 was the console of choice. Until very late in the lifecycle the games generally ran better on Xbox too. My heart says PS3 but as a game console the Xbox 360 was the better choice over the whole lifecycle.
>>103250594only the very first gen, $699 model had full backward compatibility with PS1 and PS2.After they finished that run and dropped the price, PS2 backward compatibility was eliminated and replaced with digital PS2 titles in the Playstation store.
>tfw fully backwards compatible launch PS3 started getting snow and other visual artefactsIt's over
PS3. In terms of games, it had a rough start but ended up outpacing 360 in the 2nd half. At the end of the day, the 360 really only had gears and halo as notable exclusives, whereas PS3 got s bunch of shit.Also free online and blurays. Even for vidya this could be a big deal. I remember the 360 version of mass effect 2 requiring you to keep switching the discs back and forth
>>103248918The PS3 launched a whole year later than the 360, which makes its core technical deficiencies even more unforgivable. The first 360 model with HDMI arrived just a few months after the PS3 launched. Let's not forget that the PS3 controller didn't even have fucking rumble at launch. Sony claimed it was impossible to have both Sixaxis motion garbage and rumble, only to launch the Dual Shock 3 a year later.>>103251194There was an intermediary model that had partial hardware PS2 backwards compatibility. They removed the PS2 CPU, but kept the GPU and emulated the rest. That happened very quickly after launch too. European PS3s never had full PS2 BC because Sony had ditched it by the time it launched there in March 2007. Later fats in all regions had no PS2 BC at all beyond full emulation, which was what Microsoft did for original Xbox games on the 360 (except you could still use your old discs and didn't have to rebuy them from PSN like "Classics").
>>103251642>I remember the 360 version of mass effect 2 requiring you to keep switching the discs back and forthBut apparently you forgot about the PS3 version launching a whole year after the 360/PC release. Everybody had already played it on one of those platforms. The PS3 was a second-class platform for third-party releases its entire life. Everybody knew you played third party titles on 360 given the choice, because they looked better and ran better 95% of the time. On the subject of Mass Effect, ME3 was a complete joke on PS3. It ran like absolute shit, and even moreso in the multiplayer with so many more enemies on-screen. The awesome power of the Cell I guess.
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>>103245044ps3 had a better cpu BUT only when properly utilized and a worse gpu.An exclusive with a big budget could look better on a ps3.
>>103246997>og xbox was better than ps2ps2's interesting architecture actually allowed for some interesting effects that couldn't easily be archived on og x or pc's at the timegames generally had better textures and run at higher frame rates but removed some "soul"https://youtu.be/_PiiXM51oBo?t=453
>>103245044the one that was easier to program for is superior technology, which was the simple tricore + unified memory + sram device
None of those were good i owned both and they were both slow as fuck. PS2 always shits on any console that exists even today.
>>103254884Last of us was basically a ps4 title, on ps3 720p with 2010s post process AA, motion blur, heavy input lag from triple buffer vsync combined with frequent drops below 30fps. It’s of course impressive what they managed but also massively hindered.
>>103248995>Xbox 360 beat the PS3>2005 to 2018>posts 2010 valuesWhat is this person trying to hide?
>>103246997>xbone renders at 900p sub 25fps>ps4 renders at 1080p 30>xbone is betterFAG!!!
Xbox 360 had the better library of games. That's all that matters.
360, it had unified shaders
>>103245044With over a 50 percent failure rate the Xbox 360 is the best with half their sales being replacements for failed units.There's a lesson in there somewhere about how marketing will never hold a candle to shitty engineering when it comes to pushing units.
>>103257054The newer units starting with jasper didn't have the issues. So really it all depends on when you bought in. Early PS3s are known to be shitty too. Early adopters got fucked during that generation.
>>103257054Yes, because PS3s were faultless and never had the YLOD.
>>103245044360 because it was easily hackable and I could download all the gaymes for free
ONE THING
>>103245044They both sucked ass.Microsoft decided to get into hardware as a software company. The original Xbox was fuckhuge because they basically got off the shelf parts and put it in a smaller (at the time) PC case. The 360 they tried to design on their own. They couldn't manage the power or put an efficient power supply so it had a giant brick, it was inadequately cooled, and the fuckers got so hot that the lead free solder would melt and flow (cracking/broken when the Xbox was cool, there's you're RROD, and also why the "towel trick" worked, if the Xbox got hot enough for the solder to flow then it would boot). The PS3 had IBM conning Sony into funding the development costs of a very specific purpose processor to the tune of billions of dollars. It was a fucking nightmare to code for, and games generally performed much worse than the same games on the 360.The edge goes for the 360, at least Microsoft was mostly able to mitigate the reliability issues after spending billions and billions of dollars slapdash fixing the earlier consoles, and its actual performance at games was generally much much better.
>>103257379No it was the slim models that fixed the problem.A die shrink was the only solution.
>>103245044PS3, particularly the slim version is one of the better price/performance ratio entertainment devices to come. A internet enabled blue ray player, that is also a relatively(at the time) powerful gaming system is a winning combo. I recommended it to many people over a regular blue ray player, even if they didnt play games. It could be handy for when grand kids come to visit. It even came with a regular remote accessory so you didnt need to fiddle with game controller just to watch a movie. It was cheaper and better supported than most comparable blu-ray players at the time
>>103245044We all know the OG PS3 was the greatest console to ever exist in terms of hardware it's just a shame the boomertards were too dumb to figure it out
>>103257649I’m not arguing PS3 was a good value, but it took less than a year for cheaper blu ray players to come. They were vastly overpriced in the beginning presumably as a tactic to steer people to the PS3, and the typical early adopter tax.
>>103245044>from a technology standpoint which one was superior?360 by far. PS Triple was literally used as advertising for the CELL/BE which got obsoleted very quickly. In some ways it was a continuation of the PS2 but the implementation was garbage. It was a cheap parallel compute CPU.t. literally own picrelated>>103245165>featuring three of the Cell's main PPE cores instead of the PS3's one.The PPE was demented. Like imagine all the issues of Prescott, turn it up to 11 and make it PowerPC and there's PPE. Still, better 3 shit cores than 1 shit core. SPEs >Nobody has ever question the fact that Xenos utterly raped and buried the RSXYes they did though. They are pretty evenly matched. Adding a GPU was an afterthought in the first place.>which didn't even have support for unified shadersUnified shaders aren't some magic. 360 didn't even get DX10 despite that.
>>103245044It's crazy how some things never change. this generation was supposed to be first "HD" 720p era, but then a bunch of games from this era were upscaled from 540p or even wide 480p. now we have a bunch of consoles touting 4k, but the games are all using dlss with 1080p internal resolution... the way they do the upscaling changed but upscaling is still shit.
>>103257762The cheaper Blu Ray players in that era sucked ass. I remember my grandparents getting a $200 Panasonic blu ray player and it being unbelievably slow and clunky.>>103257638You're correct that the problem on the 360 required die shrinks. Technically, they did do some prior to the slim.The launch 360s Xenon were all 90nm (CPU, GPU, eDRAM). Falcon in 2007 shrunk the CPU to 65nm. Opus mobos were exclusive to repaired Xenon RROD boards in 2008 and were essentially falcon with the HDMI port removed; by mid-2009, Elpis came out and microsoft was replacing failing garbage with garbage that would fail (90nm everything again).Jasper launched in the original 360 chassis in late 2008, 65nm CPU/GPU. The next major die shrink occurred in late 2009 with Tonasket. That was 65nm everything (CPU, GPU, eDRAM). That's widely considered one of the most reliable mobos in all 360s.When the slim came out, they went to a 45nm combined CPU/GPU die, which is what they mostly used (the last mobo revision was 32nm combined); with the die shrinks, the slims were much more reliable than most of the fat 360s.
>>103246958>Xbox 360 had piracyOh how the turntables>>103246997>>og xbox was better than ps2PS2 still held up and was just cheaper. They had different approaches.>>xbox360 was better than ps3Raw performance was close but the PS3 was a bitch and a half to dev for so it didn't materialize on many games.Cell just had batshit FP performance about as much as an i7-4970K or something like that. It's a chip for big compute clusters not a game console.>>xbone was better than ps4Fuck no hahahaha
>>103257379>Early PS3s are known to be shitty too.NVIDIA kept fucking up GPUs into 2009. Who knows how reliable the 65nm RSX really is.>>103257436A lot less so because it had better cooling. The PS3 could've been very reliable if the fan curve was set to keep the GPU under 70c but that'd make it very fucking loud... Not as much as a PS4 Pro with just a little dust in it still kek.
>>103254884>ps3 had a better cpu BUT only when properly utilized and a worse gpu.Hardly. Cell could handle a lot of graphics calculations though. I'll tell you what Uncharted 3 looks like an 8th gen title. I couldn't give half a shit about the last of us.>An exclusive with a big budget could look better on a ps3.Your pic proves absolutely nothing.>>103256208>heavy input lag from triple buffer vsync combined with frequent drops below 30fpsDo you NEED 30fps for a walking simulator? Thought so.
>>103249511>That bullshit wasn’t even hdNot like xbox or ps3 games were either. It took until the xboner for consolefags to even get 720p. To this day ps5 pro will drop below 1080p.
>>103258010Tlou is more of a real game than uncharted ever was
>>103258061>reddit walking sim is more of a real game than literally the male fantasy ever wasYou're a fag and need to go back.
>>103258070The male fantasy where a woman saves you and you get raped in a Brazilian prison?
I was a "PS3 has no games" guy for years but you can't imagine how good it felt when my brother got a PS3 and he let me play Demon Souls on his console
>>103245798>cross platform doesn't count!So I guess only bonebox counts because it has the le one exclusive that matters?
>>103245044I can't tell you. I never owned a gayming console or played a game since neighbours from hell 2 on vacation.
>>103251398buy another motherboard, retard
>>103251398Should've read about NVIDIA bumpgate and set the fan curve properly. Moron.>>103258093>a woman saves youWell that sure fits the average 4chan poster's fantasies kek.>and you get raped in a Brazilian prison?What? I guess that must happen in 2 or 3 because I haven't played them yet.
>>103258227Well he has an excuse to get a newer RSX installed now.
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>>103257879did xbox-fags really have to know all that just to not red-ring and be able to play games? Wild
>>103258702nothing stopped the xbox RRODing
>>103258491This is with cleaning everything out, replacing thermal paste, installing CFW and always running a custom fan curve. such things only stave off the inevitable temporarily. The YLOD reaper comes for us all eventually.
>>103258702I have to know all this just to not yellow-light and be able to play games.
>>103259000Checked and yeah I guess as rip felix said in the YLOD fucking feature film, it's a vicious cycle, once a few bumps go the rest are overloaded and die faster than they would.
>>103259054My copium is that it's not necessarily doomed, since I have visual glitches like snow that start appearing after a few minutes, but it hasn't full-on YLOD'd... yet. But it might as well have, since I'm too scared to even use it. At the end of the day it's not the worst thing in the world. My launch PS3 is one I got at a flea market for 5 bucks in the mid 2010s, before that I had and still have my trusty PS3 slim. I've just gone back to using that one. It was cool being able to play my PS2 games with no fuss, but I still have my PS2 as well. Things could be worse. I have seen the felix videos. The idea of resurrecting a YLOD PS3 with the frankenstein mod is intriguing, but it's simply not worth the hassle or expense. Needing to source an RSX from a good PS3, being a very complicated mod that you cannot do on your own, etc. I've modded older consoles like the NESRGB mod and I enjoy doing that sort of stuff, but the franken-PS3 is just too much.
>>103257879I seem to have avoided a lot of bullshit by never being a console peasant.
>>103259101>but it hasn't full-on YLOD'd... yet. But it might as well have, since I'm too scared to even use it.It's going to. It's certainly not far off failing bit training. You could blow it with some heat for 5 minutes and make it work for another few months, or years.>The idea of resurrecting a YLOD PS3 with the frankenstein mod is intriguingIt's the permanentest of permanent fixes.>but it's simply not worth the hassle or expenseCome the fuck on it's not THAT expensive.>being a very complicated mod that you cannot do on your ownSkill issue. Literally.
>>103245044DEFINITELY not the one that got the red rings. Like mine did. Like all my friends' did.
>>103259527https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyufDxxWIsM
>>103259497>https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=73329Ohnonononono ahahahahahahahahahahahahaWhat can I say, at least it hit macfags the worst of anyone.
>>103259537WTF. Ancient GPU enthusiasts?
>>103245044remember when play station was good?remember the good times?
>>103245452PS3 was complete shit. Having bluray for storage worked in its favor, but its retarded architecture meant only exclusives, and even then only a few, could actually come out with anything good. It was otherwise inferior to the 360 for every multiplat game, and was actually the reason many games like oblivion and skyrim had to have features removed and texture quality worsened, because the ps3's hardware was just that much weaker and shittier.
>>103258579KEK
Reminder that the "ps3 has no games" meme was mostly pushed by american xboxfans and made no sense to the rest of the world because only americans played xbox.
>>103245044Let's ask this young man!
>>103245044Xbox 360 architecture was closer to a conventional PC, 3 "big" cores with 2-ways SMT, unified memory for better modularity. Sony messed up with Cell, they wanted to use the latter's SPU as coprocessors as they did with the PS2, at that time devs didn't have the choice but to comply with weird architectures but since Microsoft offered them a simpler way they stopped giving a shit about Sony, only their own studios had the dedication to do so.
>>103245044I just miss being able to make the "When you see an Xbox, you do a 360 and walk away" gag
>>103259646Little thing called retro gaming, maybe you've heard of it.Literally the same GPU problems that hit the 7th gen consoles hit PCs because the chips were made by the same companies. It just hit desktops the least because they had the biggest cooling.
>>103246997Their business practices have always been terrible and they've never had any idea what makes people want to buy a console. They're a western PC-centric company with a western PC-centric mentality that's fundamentally at odds with the traditionally Japanese console market. The legacy of Xbox won't be any of its games. Halo could have been that kind of IP for them, but they ruined it beyond repair. It will be remembered as the platform that introduced paid online, paid DLC, microtransactions, and the Netflix model to gaming, and the disastrous Xbone launch, and not much else.
>>103259101>>103259523What's stopping preemitively desoldering the CPU and replacing with leaded solder?
PS3 was better because no pay to play online bullshit. The 360 even required you have an Xbox live subscription to even be able to use your Netflix subscription on the console. The PS3 was the last decent console to ever exist (specifically the fat models). Modern day consoles aren't worth owning, just play on pc, haveing a monthly sub is retarded
>>103260851The monthly sub was well worth it tho for not getting you're data stolen and getting a more reliable service
>>103260462Well for one it's a whole lot of risk of damaging a valuable motherboard with a relatively limited production run to fix nothing and prevent nothing.
>>103260851>PS3 was better because no pay to play online bullshit.True, and you're now stuck paying $60+ yearly for the 'privilege' of doing so. Subscription models amount to pure greed and little else.
>>103259790>the ps3's hardware was just that much weaker and shittier.GTA 5 used 100% of each 7th gen console and looks about the same on themIdiots spouting nonsense that the Cell/BE was some magical misunderstood powerhouse are full of shit as much as people saying it was weak. It had extraordinary floating point performance for the price tag and nothing else, was a pain in the ass to utilize the thing of course. It was probably shoved in the console as a marketing stunt because IBM, Toshiba and Sony wanted to challenge x86 dominance with it and thought the PS3 would be a good intro to the architecture for devs. Instead GPGPU shat all over it and took its place. It wasn't magic but it wasn't absolutely horrible. The old 7800GTX may be old fixed pipeline shit but is close to that ATI thing in the 360 on its own, better in some things and worse in others.
>>103246057they werent even no 1, nintendo beat them
>>103251643>Sony claimed it was impossible to have both Sixaxis motion garbage and rumble, only to launch the Dual Shock 3 a year later.iirc they were getting cucked by patents when trying to implement rumble on the first gen controllers for some reason
>>103245044Obviously the PS3 but if you're trying to push all that potential when people just want games that work properly it's going to lose out to the 360's conventional architecture even if it's a weaker platform.
>>103245044The ps3 is the best because the airforce combined 1700 of them into a supercomputer. when was the last time someone did that with a (gayse)Xbox360? Never? Yeah i thought so. Nigger.
>>103263263>The ps3 is the best because the airforce combined 1700 of them into a supercomputerbecause the cell is a datacenter parallel compute cpu and the PS3 cost 800 to build and sold for 600 therefore it was literally done because it was cheap
How come winchester x360 is unhackable?
>>103259008the tl;dr of this video is that capacitors sometimes go bad, even though 90% of the time it will still be the RSX having issues
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>>103245044PS3 by a mile if you bought an old 60GB. It's not even a contest. The 360 for the most part is a piece of shit. And to be honest I'm not a big fan of either platform, but you could do so much more with a PS3.
>>103264228I wrote some of my college papers on my ps3 while running linux back when they let you do that
>>103264228That PS3 even played Super Audio CDs and you could use the console to rip them. Meanwhile the 360 can't even play Blu-Rays. And if you played DVD's it fucked up your drive and you ended up grinding circles into your discs. What a horrible console for years and years.
>>103264505>And if you played DVD's it fucked up your drive and you ended up grinding circles into your discs.wtf, do you links to page giving more details about this?
>>103265068It happened with games too. It was an issue with specific models of DVD drives.https://youtu.be/qGlPz1NFNyU
>>103265075Sons of bitches, they took it all the way up to the Supreme Court and they won.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/supreme-court-says-game-over-for-xbox-360-console-defect-class-action/
>>103245424>>103245772>cheap console dressed as a MacThis is a stupid misrepresentation. They sold like crack because of Wii Sports. Everyone and their grandma NEEDED Wii sports bowling
>>103265068Even the Xbox One X was still doing this. My console fucked up my Wife's Collectors Godzilla movie disc and she's still pissed about it. And no the console wasn't moved while it was operating. The laser was going bad and they never fixed the fucking problem.
>>103264168>even though 90% of the time it will still be the RSX having issues>stillFuck you mean? The whole point was that people went crazy replacing capacitors and being convinced reballing was pointless all along, when in reality the issue was NVIDIA fucking shit up like they always do and doing either reball or nec/tokin replacement was simply making the fucked GPU work due to heat reconnecting microscopic connections for a short time.Novidya was sued for this back when it was happening on the PC side of things. How consoletards didn't connect the dots until the 2020s I can't comprehend.
>>103263593MS wisened up and made the POST signal (IIRC) latchable. Any attempt to glitch would reset the CPU.
>>103259523>Skill issue. Literallymore like equipment issue. yeah bro let me just whip out the fucking BGA rework station I have in the closet.
>>103265647The shit was an industry wide problem as daddy EU forced upon the garbage that was RoHSPS3, 360 and PC GPUs of the era where all examples of early devices with lead-free requirements with high power draw silicon with large die sizes.It wasn't even just an Nvidia issue. Any large die GPUs where just short lived during the period. Nvidia was just the one selling the most of those.
>>103260313>Little thing called retro gaming, maybe you've heard of it.I too am into retro gaming, I just play on my 3060.
>>103259000This could help, but you could try buying a heat gun using low setting blast the rsx for no more than 5 min with lid still on, taking a 10 second break every 30 seconds or every minute. Should melt some of the solder back onto the board
>>103265647What I said was still correct. People assumed that the capacitors were the problem and Felix pointed it out that no, the capacitors do not cause a majority of ylod.
>>103268547>lead-freeThe bumps that break and cause YLOD are HIGH LEAD BUMPS.>It wasn't even just an Nvidia issue. Any large die GPUsG86 wasn't big and failed the most lol. It's a temperature thing. Bad underfill choice.>>103268949Horrible idea. Reflow are bullshit. Heat the die where the problem is.
I don't know if the anon that gave me the advice to bake my GPU is here, but thanksIt works again!
>>103249676We made fun of you wiitards then and still do.
>>103269306I doubt they even cared about your pony/xboner noises that you made. Nintendo had way more fun games than any of your interactive movies.
>>103245044>RROD debaclePS3>if Microshit had done proper quality control like they did on the original Xbox360>if you have the mind of a 5 year old and/or any type of anal sex inflicted diseaseWii
>>103259008>comparing the massive amount of RROD to the tiny percentage of YLODI have a PS3 fatboy that still worksNONE of the 360s my friends bought over the years still work
>>103245772Gran Turismo 5 runs on RPCS3?
>>103269224>YLOD are HIGH LEAD BUMPSHigh being relative to what was permissible. It was still essentially lead-free solder because the amount of lead was only a fraction of a percent.
>>103245044the ps3 had a web browser at release while 360 only got internet explorer in 2012.the wankstation wins!
The PS3 now mogs the 360 with RSX overclocking. I have a 1st gen slim with a 65nm rsx and I have it clocked at 700/850 from 500/650. MGS4 runs nearly locked at 30. I hope they manage to overclock the cell to 4 ghz soon.
reminder that sony had to cripple the cell in order to keep the price of ps3 in checkthe prototype had 2 hdmi ports and 3 ethernet ports
>>103269706Thats the devkit, there is no reason for the consumer version to have 3 ethernet ports.
>>103269728the devkit looks completely different than the prototypepic related, a ps3 devkit.
>>103269613>High being relative to what was permissible.Are flipchip packaging materials even affected by RoHS shit?
>>103269823Everything isAny manufactured product has to comply unless it's for an exempt industrial or critical purpose.If you sell materials to another company for IC packaging that material in itself has to comply if you want the next intermediate product to also comply.It's so anal that companies who do repair for warranty or service, if the customer wants RoHS of a product to stay valid the company has to make that repair will all RoHS components, even something as simple as solder wick which doesn't get added but touches the product has to comply.People honestly don't realize how much this fucked the electronics industry. It's easy to say microsoft bad. nvidia bad but it's not a coincidence all these many companies released garbage around the same time period.
>>103269691>The PS3 now mogs the 360 with RSX overclockingNot really its CPU is still garbage>I hope they manage to overclock the cell to 4 ghz soon.This would be most interesting because the PPE has horrid IPC
>>103269224>The bumps that break and cause YLOD are HIGH LEAD BUMPS.Source?
>>103270310>Not really its CPU is still garbageThat's nothing more than a juvenile opinion.
>>103245165This
>>103269502>massive amount of RROD>tiny percentage of YLODI don't think it was that big of a difference as you think.>>103270013Right. Regardless it has nothing to do with nothing, no PS3 would have the GPU fail if the fan curve was set up correctly from the start.>>103270343I mean, that's what I remember hearing. They have better conductivity (therefore less are needed) but are more brittle and need good reinforcement.Fuck does it matter, said reinforcement goes soft past 70c and the PS3 fan curve was set to let it hit 80c and the 360 had absolutely no chance of cooling them adequately with its pathetic heatsink.>>103270350It's weird, it has obscene floating point performance and nothing else.
>>103270406>Regardless it has nothing to do with nothingIt has everything to do with itThey didn't understand the long-term implications of lead-free solder in such operating conditions. High temperatures was fine previously.The PS3 was just one victim in many as the industry was forced to change. It's mostly what it comes down to.
>>103245359>yuros missed on on the golden age of xbl due to being poorJesus...
>>103258015No one gives a shit about resolution or frame rate.They only care about if the game is fun or not. This is why you lost and will always lose. You were blown out by your own arrogance and incompetence. Poetic.
>>103245044xbox had more punchps3 had blurrayI'd call it a tie
>>103246997Xbox they were new to the market and the PS2 was just that powerful.7th gen they were kneecapped early on because Peter Moore left and Don Mattrick & Phil Spencer ran them into the ground, they got off to a good start but things fizzled out once Moore's stuff dried up and it was down to dumb and dumber to work with developers & publishers.Then the gigaretard destroyed all hope by misreading the market in the 8th gen before resigning in shame.Microsoft should have hired a real replacement for Moore. It's an issue which they still have to this day.
>>103255044>ps2's interesting architecture actually allowed for some interesting effects that couldn't easily be archived on og x or pc's at the timeThere's one game I know of that suffers from this at least: FF XI.The PS2 had different visual effects from the PC and eventual 360 port. I'd shit on it for being inferior but it's a wonder that game ran on the PS2 at all, and that they managed to get a PC client out too, and that they still have it functioning today (even if it still runs poorly and is on DX8) and they need to run things through PS2 devkits still (virtualised). but holy moly. That thing's a work of art.
>>103270455Are we on the same page here? THIS SHIT is the problem of all 2000s graphics cards dying. Not the fucking interposer to board BGA, that shit may be leadfree but it probably fails even less than the NEC/TOKIN filtering caps on the PS3.The bumps used by NVIDIA on the bumpgate cards are made of over 95% lead, it's sealed in underfill so I don't think RoHS gives a fuck and most likely ATI used the same exact shit on the Xenos.Say they did use stronger alloy bumps (and more of them because of less conductivity) the underfill material glass transition is still 70c and these consoles still ran well over that from the factory, you'd have maybe marginally less failures because the bumps would still be losing all reinforcement at full load.
>>103245044PS3 was more powerful but was stupidly expensive and unironically had no games.
>>103270647it's less about being poor and more about that our culture and way of living isn't entirely dictated by large corporations and marketing slogans.. yet.and anyone who isn't retarded in that way recognises a scam when they see one. it's actually low class trash who saw nothing wrong with being asked to pay money for something that costs nothing (all the shit was p2p back then) who are to blame that now every console company is doing it and retards will happily continue to pay
>>103269282You mean me, the guy who suggested the heat gun?
>>103258134To think that a old gen picture made you this mad in current year to the point of bringing back console wars... let that sink in for a sec.
>>103260020No shit. Americans are retarded and don't think the rest of the world exists. News at 11. It's especially dumb when you realize that the Xbox 360 and PS3 pretty much had the same batch of multiplats.
>>103249676Nah, splitscreen halo was the peak of shared console gaming.
>>103245281>even weaker and worse than the gamecubewhat? The wii can play every gamecube game and if you hack it, it can even play some with widescreen at 60fps
>>103251642The biggest problem with the ps3 was it had the worst controller by far.
>>103246997Weebs
>>103273098Pc gaymers never lose.
>>103276770Hey, I'm not the one who made a thread bringing up discussion about older consoles. Back the fuck off, asshole.
