>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUWeb browsing: 5600GBudget: 12400FMid Range: 12700KF, 7600XGaming: AMD X3D Workstation: 9950XAVOID: Intel 13/14 series>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer IIIDouble towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDASRock B650M-HDV/M2, B650 LiveMixer, cheap X670>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB>SSD (OS drive)Budget: SN580,Mid range: SN770Premium: Samsung 990 ProFlagship: Sabrent Rocket 5 >GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE, RX 7800 XT4K: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series, AVOID: AMD cards>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux ProAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500, Corsair 4000D airflow>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide: https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITOR1080p: MSI G244F E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D4K: Acer Nitro XV275K, Gigabyte M32U, Dell Alienware AW3225QF>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2Previous:>>103287252
Reminder that the 4080 is really the 4070
I fucking hate Nvidia like you wouldn't believeon the day their stock value pops like a balloon I will die of sheer happiness
>>103292233never going to happen. no one else makes adequate GPUs>AMD doesn't try for anything other than entry level shit because they have console money >Intel is going to be relevant for 2 months they have 0 competition and as much as I hate them its just the way things are
Is there literally any PC specialty retailer that isn't shady, it feels like Amazon are the only people that won't try to fuck you just because they don't care.
>>103292207Eh, ordered the same case just the other day for my AM5 build.
>>103292207Pondering whether to buy the B650 Steel Legend or go straight to the X870E Nova, are there any practical gains in doing so?How would the Steel Legend hold up in a few years from now? Could I upgrade to some hypothetical 11950x3D with dual X3D if something like that releases?
is phantom spirit still the best for price/value?
>>103292207>Arctic P12Are those actually better than mid tier stock corsair case fans?
>>103292281I think so. Arctic mogs all of its competitors.
>>103292273Get X670E Steel Legend it's the same shit as X870E but without USB4
PowerColor RX 7800 XT Fighter for $420Is this a get if your GPU budget is around $400 anyway? Wait for something potentially better?
>>103292271Makes sense, this is the good OP, the other idiot never updates it
>>103292207How important is your case, really?
>>103292281Corsair fans that come with cases are bottom of the barrel. Even the normal P12 are better, but P12 Max are far far better. Based on the following reviews:https://www.techpowerup.com/review/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-120-mm-fan/4.htmlhttps://hwbusters.com/cooling/arctic-p12-max-fan-review/10/
>>103292304you want one that can actually accommodate airflow if you regularly strain your components
>>103292304Like 5-10 years ago? Very. People sold shitty space heater cases and marketing slop like overpriced bequiet cases.Today? Still important, but if you purchase the cases recommended by GamersNexus or this OP, and avoid the ones that come out as worst cases of the year, less important. Cases have gotten better.
asking again from previous threadThings I should know about Pixio brand monitors? I'm looking into their 27" 4K 160Hz IPS model. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D9577KXM
>>103292316>>103292281thanks a lot my dudes
>>103292273most likely all am5 will be interchangeable until ddr6 forces new socket.just like any b350 can run 5800x3d.
OP should probably add the Hyte back in there for the AIO options, at least an enthusiast consideration because you can do this with it. And they're releasing a 360 version in like a month that you'll probably be able to do the same thing to which, if that pans out, would make it the best AIO performance wise on the market by a significant margin. If you don't like the meme screen, I get it, but it's a 240 that with basically zero tinkering outperforms virtually everything and is within margin of error on the things that does better than it all while being a 240.
>>103292295>Get X670E Steel LegendCheapest I can find it is 350€, wouldn't it be better to just get a Nova for a little more at this point? Should have mentioned the european market is in another world.>>103292360>any b350 can run 5800x3dAM4 didn't have as much power hungry CPUs as AM5, I kinda fear cheapning on a motherboard might be a bigger issue this time around.
>>103292360Reminder that your GPU will bottleneck you in 80%+ of games anyway
>tempted to upgrade GPU and ride out the next few years>have 6900XT>considering 7900XTX>Card is only 50% faster for 1000 USD>consumes more power and may be too big>also sold out constantlyI'm not sure if it's worth it. I'm on AM4 right now and considered upgrading to AM5, but I don't think that's worth the cost, either. I'd rather just upgrade the card than the whole platform. Where are the discounts, man?
>>103292404>Most games are still single core>the GPU will bottleneck youHuh??? People are still using three generation old Intel CPU's because they can hit very high single core clock speeds with 4090's. I've seen it. I think it's stupid, but I've seen it.
>>103292250AMD just needs to lower the fucking priceNo one needs quadzillions zerraflops, just make them affordable again
>>103292427>wasting the time before tarrifs buying an amd cardyou have nobody but yourself to blame when you regret it
any good ATX 3.1 platinum PSUs on sale?
>>103292432You agree with him then
>>103292488yes 20% discounthttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWGX7GHC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1
>>103292462The issue is that Nvidia has a stranglehold on developers due to DLSS. FSR is shit. Intel might be able to do something better than AMD in this area, but I'm skeptical because Intel isn't even particularly big on AI compared to either Intel or AMD. >DLSS is... Le bad! Yup, I get it. Native resolution, blah, blah, blah. That won't keep devs from leaning on it as a crutch. The fact that they continue to do it, and Nvidia owns the dedicated GPU market for gaming proves this.
>>103292401I bought it for 311 euro in some German store myself. Still retarded price for it. If you can just go with Nova for a piece of mind. But realistically you won't need it even with potential new updated CPUs. And they all have PCIE 5
>>103292427>Where are the discounts, man?https://videocardz.com/pixel/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-drops-to-764-radeon-rx-7800-xt-now-at-419probably sold out already
200mm side fan vs 2x 140mm
>>103292566get the 7800xt or wait?
I have a cooler master h500 case with a mesh front. Two big fans in the front and then one in the back and on the top. The question is part of the top of the mesh doesn't have a fan on it. It's just empty, should I block this so more air goes towards the back or just leave it open?
>>103292597RX 6800 would be a better dealhttps://bestvaluegpu.com/
>>103292498Not precisely. I was demonstrating that the biggest thing that'll fuck you on your build is single core performance, regardless of what GPU you have. That's why Intel regularly beats AMD in pretty much every category. Unless you're building like a workstation PC for intense rendering and AI shit. And even then... Anyway, my point was that if you buy a lower clock speed CPU with a lot of cores that costs a lot of money, it's going to be worse than that 5 year old Intel CPU that can get to like 5.7Ghz on a single core for gaming. The reason why I (and everyone else) is buying the 9800x3d is because that typical balance has been upset. It's why you're seeing a bunch of videos and articles and reviews all about this single CPU. Historically, it's anomalous.
>>103292651if the top fan is in the rear, it is better like this
Have a 5700X3D on the way from China but now my motherboard is failing, fml.MSI B550-A Pro or Gaming Plus (I literally can't find a difference between them)?
>>103292672yeah top fan is as far back as it can go and the space in front of it is empty
are Toshiba enterprise drives reliable? I'm seeing the MG10ACA20TE at amazing prices. Been using WD Golds but I'm getting annoyed at the constant "calibration" noise they are making.
I bought an MSI MAG 321UP 165hz 4k 32" QD-OLED display for $699 for a Black Friday sale. This is the first OLED and the first 4k display that I've bought, and seems to be the best bang-for-buck on the market at the moment. I'll drive it with a 4090.Any suggestions to backtrack and do otherwise? I hate that inevitably there will be burn in, but the MSI 3-year warranty and 5-year useful lifespan doesn't sound bad, and I honestly don't use the 8-year old 1080p 60hz LCDs that I still have, but it's great they still work fine.https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-321up-qd-oled-32-uhd-165-hz-metallic-black/p/N82E16824475398
>>103292709As I understand it they are. There's a guy here who shills them pretty regularly.
First ever build. Looking for advice or optimizations.https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/r6FFdbBuild is for gaming, and general use. Maybe some casual video editing and ai. Budget is around £1300, will maybe go higher if something is considerably better. I already have the GPU, got it in a sale. Monitor is a 1080p 60 Hz that I'll be upgrading at a later date.I know the 5070 is next year but I'm not going to wait. If I get buyers remorse so be it.
>>103292721At that price point? Not really. The guy who is obsessed with LG OLED TVs as monitors might tell you otherwise, but he is the sort of guy that thinks a 50" screen is totally fine for daily use as a monitor.
>>103279444Trying my luck again.https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TrbbjnAny feedback or suggestions on this build? It's my first time building my own setup and I tried my best to follow the advice on the OP and building guide. I'm looking to play things like stalker 2, ashes of creation and in general not having to worry about an upgrade for like another 7 years.My budget it around $1500 USD, I already have the monitor that is on the list
>>103292721QD OLED isn't real OLED
When will be a good time to buy computer parts? Before Christmas, after Christmas or will I have to wait for spring?
>>103292740How much is this for you in Bongbux? https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-ddr5-5200/p/N82E16820236839?tpk=1
>>103292793Usually prices are the lowest in the summer. And when a new GPU releases ofc
>>103292793Now nigga. Get your shit sorted before the end of the year before everyone starts raising prices because of the tariffs.
>>103292793spring/summer
>>103292740Looks good
>>103292566it went as low as US$720 here in canada, too bad amazon doesnt expect to ship it until 1st week of december wtf
>5070: 12Gb VRAM>5070 Ti: 16Gb VRAMI hate Nvidia. I hate Nvidia. I hate Nvidia. I hate Nvidia.That being said, expected price on the Ti? Same as on release 4070 Ti Super?
>>103292845900 buckaroos
>>103292793now, several good deals already sold out
>>103292207How huge of a difference does 6000MT / CL30 make against 6400 MT / CL32? I can't find AMD verified sticks locally that are 6000/30, only 6400/32.
>>103292843not that bad and it might come in earlier than expected
>>103292815£144. £50 more than the 32gb.
>>103292891well if it means more chance of getting a newer 7900XTX instead of the first units with the bad thermal paste job or something
>>103292902Up to you then. Most people would say that 32Gb is outdated as being the standard. If your budget can fit that in there, it could be worth it depending on what sort of games and shit you're playing.
>>103292909hey man that game is basically a $100 discount
>>103292354Pixio make budget trash. Eizo make high end shit. Or it's the other way around. I don't remember.
>>103292876Differences in DDR5 RAM are negligible, just get whatever's cheapest, unless you have a hyper specific use case that benefits from increased speeds or lower latency. The difference between the ultra expensive dimms and the budget sticks are ~1% in every benchmark I've seen, other than Microsoft Flight Simulator.
i got 2x8gb years ago and need 16gb more. Do i get another set of 2x8 or brand new 2x16? I have a ryzen cpu and mainly play video games. I cant get a straight answer if 2 stick is always better than 4 stick. i dont care to min max i just want to avoid problems
>>103292427>>>Card is only 50% faster for 1000 USD50 is a stretch, 35 is more accurate
>>103292964All the more reason for me to skip this gen lol
>>1032929614 dual rank sticks can actually be better with ryzen
>>103292931Monster Hunter Wilds is the main one. I'll have a think. Thanks.
>>103292975yeah gen to gen is never worth it these days
>>103292279help me pls
>>103293047"Yes."
Those people that showed the burned looking AM5 cpus, did they just overheat? I thought that the cpu was safe from overheating because it'd just shut off before any damage occurred?
>>103293112if you're talking about the post on reddit, that instance was plain and simple user error
>>1032929358 extra gigs of vram + wider memory busora game with no denuvo you can pirate
ordered a 7900xtx, currently looking at the worst examples of raytracing to cope
>>103293121Oh, well I saw it elsewhere but it probably originated there. Am I correct that it shuts down safely though when overheating?
>>103292931Most people fucking who, 32GB has only barely become typical in new builds and isn't close to overhauling 16GB for overall adoption yet, 64GB is a fraction of that.
>>103292667RX 6800 for $350 doesn't seem much better than 7800xt for $420 in that you get around 25% more performance for the $70 desu, unless you think I'm wrong. I'm new to GPU shopping
>>103293139i have not heard the opposite to i'm going to assume so
>>103293136
>>103292721that one on sale in euroland is 100€ more than the dell aw32 240hz with a discount codefor the same price as that msi here you can get the samsung g8 240hz toomsi is just not priced good here reallyyou either opt into the oled and use it for a few years or just use shitty matte ips lcd, with a decent enough price point it started not getting that badthe default comparision that lcds are supposed to last forever and will have 0 other electrical issues is interesting too>>103292743I know that's not me
i weep.
>>103292909>black friday price protection>the prices actually went up
>>103293139The chip was jammed in sideways in to the socket it had nothing to do with overheating or the protection for it.
>>103292743Imo 32 to 42 is sweetspot
>>103293221shit, should have gone with a LG OLED myself
>>103293136enjoy superior drivers (on linux)
>>103293205theyre the same picture
>>103292709They have a higher risk of DOA compared to Ultrastars but they are otherwise in line from what I remember in this one test. I use the 14TB drives.
IMO i believe OLED will bring in a golden age of gaming and remove shitty HUDsI actually enjoyed MH world a lot more when the minimap wasnt fillled out yet too, it made the game feel even biggerRainbow Six Siege also always feel so different because they dont give you a minimap in the game either, too bad the game turned into Overwatch with the operator bloat
>>103293273no?the water poodle you never look at while playing the video game is high quality!!! you only have to pay with 50 fps performance for it!
>wait for black friday to get le good deals>prices are deliberately pumped 10% during october to obviate lossesangry black kid.jpg
>>103292743Just saw a thread today where people were jerking each other off for buying 42" LG C4s.
>>103292273Consider B650e taichi if you can fit eAtx. It's been on sale.
>>103292775>QD OLED isn't real OLEDwatwhy does it looks so good though, i noticed right away the difference without looking at the product label in-store
>>103293225Its still in stock and there appears to be several Chinese knockoffs when I used the image search, but yeah all the desktop cases are "end of life" as they put it on the 610 (their newest lmao) and will be replaced by something.
https://www.etnews.com/20241122000212>500hz qd-oled coming in 2025Bros...
>>103293372>why does it looks so good thoughOLED vs QD-OLED See: >>103293221
>>103293395https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/applied-materials-max-oled-screens-touted-to-offer-5x-lifespan-tech-claimed-to-produce-brighter-and-higher-resolution-screens-too>5x longer lasting oledsBros...?
>>103292743OLED as a whole is an insane cope haven, whether it is about burn-in, size or panel tech.It's too expensive for people to not actively defend and circlejerk whatever they decided to purchase, even when it's about an objectively inferior (but still good) product.
>>103292207It's that type of year again lads. I've upgraded my GPU, so not it's time to upgrade my monitor and finally stop being a 1 monitor pleb.
>>103293422i mean i saw QD-OLED TVs in-store as well and the contrast was amazing, didn't notice any purple huesalmost-north facing room where my PC is in so no sunlight ever coming in
>>103293429If money is no object, then OLED really is the best option (read, least shit display option) these days
>>103292207How important is having the X3D when getting an AMD CPU? I'm running comparison tests in Tom's hardware between the 7950X3D and 9900X and it seems the 3D outperforms the 9900X by about ~3 FPS in ultra seetings hwen gaming on 1440P. Ironically the X3D performs better in productivity tasks like compression and sorting.
Are NZXT cases good? H6 flow and H5 flow 2024 cost about the same as budget chink cases here rn.
>>103293491a 9700X will outperform a 5700X3D
>>103293429>buy 500 eur cpu>buy 2000 eur gpu>cheap out on your monitorwho would do that?
Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet or Carbonaut or Honeywell PTM7950?
>>103292709>>103292722> a guy here who shills them pretty regularlyHello, hello? Here I am! I love my Toshibas. They are hardly audible when idle thanks to Helium fill. Active noise is audible but rather acceptable, not nerve wrecking like HGST/WD. Data transfer up to 300MB/s, very fast for HDDs. I use them to store thousands of torrents, backups, archives, stuff that doesn't need the speed of SSDs.
>>103293460You need daylight-window-in-front-of-the-monitor level of light to actually see purple hue on QD-OLED.Only direct reflections on the panel create the purple hue, ambient light just raises black levels like it does on matte WOLED.It's not an issue for smart users who realize they shouldn't bother with OLED as a whole if they can't control their room lighting.You would make HDR totally irrelevant by using the monitor in a bright room, essentially making OLED become a $1k glossy IPS SDR monitor.>>103293523>who would do that?Wishfully, nobody. Truthfully, most users.What I am criticizing here is that a lot of OLED buyers can't seem to accept that the tech or their specific models have flaws and aren't perfect like they often pretend it is.Yes, it will burn-in, degrade, it's bad in daylight and not bright enough, but it's still enjoyable : you don't need to cope about it.
What's the consensus?
>>103293510Well looks like I'm getting the 9900X, since I found a good deal on it. Thank you based anon
>>103293557Since when is OLED bad in daylight or not bright enough? What? It's the other way around compared to other display tech, outside of Mini LED with lots of zones.
>>103293579Not bad for the price if you are happy with 32"
>>103293601I have been playing on 24 inch 165hz for a while. I want larger, but I don't want to sacrifice hz. Are you saying there are larger than 32? I don't think so. I have a OLED 55 tv at 125hz (even though it's useless on console junk, I plan to put a PC at my TV).
>>103293579Pay the extra $80 if you want software updates and a 90w USB C cable for your laptop, otherwise, the $799 MSI 4K 240 QD does the trick, and the MSI 4K 165hz QD for $699 ain't a bad deal either. I personally have the Dell 4K 240 QD and I ain't ever going back.
>>103293627I've been wondering what the extra 80 bucks was for. Software updates for what? Also the KVM is a nice feature.
>6400MT CL30or>6000MT CL28For my 9800x3d build?
How come the X870 was taken out of the recommended? I already had one on my cart
Ive had pretty good service out of a Corsair TX650 and TX850 with basically being on 24hr for over decade the RM850x is around $100 on amazon right now does Corsair still make good psus? I think when I bought the TX series they were rebranded Seasonic
>>103293533I'm mostly concerned about reliability (I know that Toshiba and HGST are the best in this regard, but I only used HGST and WD Red Plus before), and if they keep clicking when being completely idle like Ultrastars because that is seriously the only single flaw I found in them. I already have two helium filled ultrastars, just wondering if the Toshibas are comparable or better. My Ultrastars have been super reliable, but then so are my WD Red Plus drives.>They are hardly audible when idle thanks to Helium fill. Active noise is audible but rather acceptable, not nerve wrecking like HGST/WD. Data transfer up to 300MB/s, very fast for HDDs.Any ~20TB drive can reach ~300MB/s and any Helium filled drive will be extremely quiet when idle due to the helium.
>>103293641Software updates for bug fixes? lol, expensive monitors do have a history of some niche feature being fucked by some random bug that is unfixable lest it's updateable, but, that is kind of rare too. I really wouldn't worry about it, if you see an issue, you will return it, not sit and hope an update fixes it, is my pov. Also, saw from the above reply, I will say 165hz will even feel faster for you considering OELD response times are nearly instant compared to what you are coming from. You really cant go wrong with any of them.
I tried running cinebench 2024 multicore on a 9800x3d, and my score was 1325. I see others get closer to 1380, what could be wrong? The temps were around 67 and the speed was 5.2GHz throughout.
>>103292876who the hell eats a hotdog with lettuce?
>>103292845> 5070: 12Gb VRAMI'm a regular customer of 90s but this saddens even me. A 70 should have 16GB nowadays.
>>103293706>cinebench 2024 multicore>on a 9800x3d>my score was 1325>others get closer to 1380>what could be wrong>temps were around 67>5.2GHzngmi
>>103293663Probably because it is just an expensive rebrand of B650, exact same chipset, with mandatory PCIE5 and USB4 (neither which is useful right now, GPUs don't need it, SSDs can't push it). And boards are limited for now, for ex there is no mATX and only one ITX.see pic at >>103292542
bought the koorui monitor being shilled here. colours are saturated but don't seem bad. quite the noticable shift from a 60hz monitor. im happy with it hours in
>>103293737The all core speed should be faster?
>this mixed mystery-meat mutt golem keeps spamming his shitty qdoled screenshotsactual autism
>>103293752I bet a lot of those are with PBO and 5.4ghz. 4% higher clocks, 4% higher score. Not usually that linear so certainly check my napkin retard math.
>>103293791You shouldn't use PBO?
>>103293791I don't even know what PBO is, I just built the stuff and wanted to run a benchmark to see if it was set up nicely.
>>103293594>OLED bad in daylightMatte WOLED coating and QD-OLED are both very sensitive to ambient lighting, their black levels will rise in a well-lit room or during daylight if you can't cover your window(s).>not bright enoughOLED as a whole is unable to provide high uniform brightness levels, even the best QD-OLED TVs with all ABL disabled or mitigated still cap at 250-280nits full-field.Because of this, OLED is only really able to do "night" HDR scenes where the screen is mostly black pixels with small, distinct highlights.It's fine if you play in a dark room because you can set your paperwhite reference brightness low enough to keep a good dynamic range, but in any scenario where ambient lighting needs to be compensated by monitor brightness, you will have to compress the highlights a lot and the image will look closer to SDR minus the color gamut (usually still within sRGB in most games anyways).>It's the other way around compared to other display techAny LCD from the past 5 to 7 years can do higher full-field brightness than OLED, usually if they're "HDR10 compatible" they'll go up to 400nits and maintain that value no matter what.>Mini LED with lots of zonesThis is true for dark room HDR indeed, LCDs including MiniLEDs can't compete in the ideal conditions of OLED.All I'm saying is that OLED is not without downsides or quirks, which again doesn't mean it isn't the "best" or at least most-balanced tech available to consumers right now.
>>103293741>Probably because it is just an expensive rebrand of B650I found a MSI PRO X870-P WiFi ProSeries that is only $10 more than an MSI MAG X670E TomahawkAlso can you tell me what is mandatory USB4? Does that mean it only has that port and no HDMI/DP?
>>103292876> AMD verified sticksLook into your motherboard's qualified vendor list (QVL) for memory that has been tested with it. This is more reliable since AMD does not test any memory with particular motherboards. I'm pretty sure you will find several modules with 6000CL30 there.
>>103292566I paid 1200 for the same gpu 8 months ago
>>103293855I see different modules from the same lineup, some say they support XMP, others say they support EXPO, even if they are virtually the same sticks
>>103293136>ordered a 7900xtxi love mine, enjoy it I have virtually 0 issues
>>103293812PBO is the built-in auto overclocking feature. It will overclock the chip within a certain limit in amps and watts and will try to reach the highest clocks within those limits. The reason people recommend turning it off is because it will push up the voltages as high as it can as long as the amperage/wattage limit allows.So with PBO you get 4-15% higher clocks, 4-15% higher performance, but the chip now runs at 1.45V (on AM4, not sure about AM5) with 20-30C higher temperatures and using a lot more power.Also the X3D CPUs used to have a limit in voltages but I think that was due to stacking the extra cache on top of the chiplet, blocking it from dissipating heat. The 9800X3D instead stacks the chiplet on top of the cache, so the chiplet is in contact with the IHS and can be cooled properly. Maybe that could be another reason why PBO is not recommended on those? I mean I just don't recommend it because it makes heat requirements absurd for 10% performance, you could reach the same clocks on all cores with manual overclocking at lower voltages too.
I got recommended this a few weeks agohttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/83g2QPbut saw that this alienware with a 4090 was only a bit more expensive on sale. Is alienware still shit or was that a meme? Should I just get this discounted one, or wait for the parts list to be cheaper during black friday and build it myself, since performance wise, I probably don't need the better stats the alienware provides unless I want to play star citizen, which desu, is something I want to do, but could probably get by with something else and its still not even really playable right now.https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/alienware-aurora-r16-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r16-desktop/useahbtsr16ihbzg
>>103293919And people generally use that to publish benchmarks? That's why my score seems low?
>>103293839>Also can you tell me what is mandatory USB4?Is English your second language? Mandatory USB4 means literally just that.https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/mandatory> Athletes must undergo a mandatory drugs test before competing in the championship.>In 1991, the British government made it mandatory to wear rear seat belts in cars.
Why the fuck does everyone use AIO when aircoolers are perfectly fine and, as long as you dont buy cheap ass chinkshit, even more silent? My u12a is barely audible on my 7800x3d even when I throw heavy loads at it and max CPU usage.
how bad of an idea is it to velcro my psu to my case? is heat a concern at all? I'll of course put the adhesive on the bottom, opposite side of the fan where there isn't anything
>>103293228Imagine falling for the black friday meme. Goys fly into some kind of frenzy and can't wait to get rid of their shekels in fear they could miss anything. Of course this gets exploited by le happy merchant.
>>103293940PBO is turned on by default. Maybe you have silicon that can't reach that high clocks, I dunno.Still, you shouldn't care, it's 4 fucking percent of performance and it won't make a difference unless you are running 192 hour long video encode batches on all cores.
>Use case: Playing games at modest settings (i.e., would prefer 1440p but will settle for 1080p, 60 fps)>Budget: USD 1,300>Country: USAI'll be honest, all of this stuff is over my head since I just started looking today. Is the recommended "Excellent AMD Gaming /streaming" build on PCpartpicker a good start or should I follow more of what the OP says?In terms of goals, I'd like to run MH: Wilds when it comes out. I know the demo was a tech disaster and it needs to be optimized when the public can actually see, but my 4gb GPU laptop won't be able to handle it regardless.
>>103293977aesthetics
>>103293288> DOADead on arrival? This is no problem at all since it's covered by the warranty unlike failures shortly after warranty ends.
>>103293966I know what the word means, what I don't know are the new standards for motherboards and ports. You don't have to be an asshole about it.
>>103293317It's mostly kids buying hardware before Christmas. Kids and immature adults.
>>103293998Do you already have parts that you're going to reuse or are you building a pc from scratch?
>>103293974because it looks nicer if you have only a small pump sitting on the cpu instead of a huge ass shitty looking cooler with a fan attached.
>>103293919PBO is simple to "fix".If you have 9000 series for example, set mac core voltage to 1.2V, set PBO max temp to 85C, curve optimizer to per-core and negative, any chip will do -20, most will even do -30, some even more. There, better than stock performance and no downsides.
>>103293317>>103294031That's illegal in most of the civilized world. You fags probably live in a place where it's not illegal like Brazil or South Africa.
are Bequiet cases decent at being quiet?
>>103293974They are cheap and reliable these days. There's little difference between a good AiO and a good heatsink though, AiOs might have a few miniscule advantages, big ones at least, like their thermal mass or super slow and quiet fans if you have like three 140mm ones.
>>103294048>set mac core voltage to 1.2V,Is that on 5000 series? I don't remember seeing it anywhere.I'm on a 5600G and put curve optimizer on -25 (any lower and it crashes), and it still goes to as high temps as it can. I don't think I can set the max temp anywhere either, I'd probably need to limit it to like 45W or so to prevent it from going full insane voltages.
Pro RS or Steel Legend? fuck waiting for B650 fuck waiting for X870E
gotta say I agree with userbenchmark the 12600k at $130 with a $80 mobo and a $70 kit of 3600cl16 is pretty hard to fuck with pair it with a 7900xt and you're good to go for max value
>>1032940819000 has a max recommended voltage of 1.2, I think 5000 had 1.4
>>103294096no, I mean, I don't see any way to set "max core voltage" anywhere. I can either set fixed voltage (disables PBO as well as all downclocking) or Offset voltage (does fuck all).
Im seating a fan (Peerless Assasin on AM5 socket) and i chose to orient the fan cables like this. As you can see, theyre kind of wrapped around the fans and snug, so no need to tuck any cables behind the mobo. However the plastic parts are sitting near the heatpipes and inbetween two ram sticks.Would this cause a problem? Like heating the plastic parts or any other issues?
>>103294038It will be my 1st time all together. I know the bulk of the fees will come from CPU and GPU. Currently eyeballing an AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D and a RTX 4070 12 GB video card.
>>103294133Image didnt attach.. here
Thoughts on the Gigabyte M28U? 4K 144hz 28" IPS monitor.
>>103294133>>103294153nah, I do this too, you are not even directly touching the heatpipes so they won't transfer heat. the plastic would need to be directly touching a metal that is burning hot to the touch, for deformation to be possible, and even then it would take years. Most CPU heatsinks like that will barely get warm to the touch.
>>103293974>"Anon, you are man now and must make decision." >"You can take the giant block of metal and big fans in your case that obscure everything and often have RAM height issues, and you'll have to clean all the time because most cases can't maintain neutral airflow (nor do you know how) and will have to run at high RPM under load so they will be very loud." >"Or you can have discrete radiator that is not ugly and run the fans at lower RPM so it is quieter and need less maintenance.">BUYS GIANT BLOCK OF METAL
>>103294207Thank you anon, I'm gonna assume its perfectly fine inbetween the ram sticks too.Looks super neat and tidy this way
The monitor I want to purchase doesn’t seem to be part of Black Friday deals on Amazon currently. Do we usually have to wait for cyber Monday on dec 4 for most pc components?
>>103293919Doesn't AMD say not to use PBO and instead use their Master Utility because it'll keep your CPU from shitting itself and you can test each core independently on top of doing everything else PBO does?
I hate nvidia app so much>>103292250
>>103294240Depends? Just wait. Monitors don't sell out because no one knows what they are buying and there are thousands of them.
>>103292304Very>Swapped from phanteks p300a to g500a and not only was building and routing easier, temps decreased by 5c
>>103294244I don't recall them saying that, but I could be wrong. What I remember is that they recommended Ryzen Master over other cpu speed detection utils because all the other ones polled the CPUs in such a way, that it made the chip unable to clock down properly (Ryzens have extremely aggressive power saving and downclocking).And that X3D chips before the 9000 series all had a much lower voltage cap to prevent them frying, but the 9000 fixed that.
>>103294226>BUYS WATERDAMAGE THAT HAPPENS SOONER OR LATER
Day 598 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>103294310Nice serial number.
>>103293669> I'm mostly concerned about reliabilityNone of us here has used a significant number of them for long enough to be able to testify on this. It would be anecdotal evidence at best. But I would expect them to be as reliable on average as comparable other disks. They are marketed as enterprise disks:https://storage.toshiba.com/enterprise-hdd/cloud-scale-capacity/mg10-seriesIs a MTTF/MTBF(AFR) of 2 500 000 h (0.35%) reliable enough for you?
>>103293530PTM7950 all the way man its black magic stuff to the point there are imitators of imitators.
how far should i go when upgrading from AM4 to AM5?>do nothing>reinstall windows (no reformat)>reinstall windows (reformat)maybe i should just buy a new SSD and reinstall windows on that again, thats what i did last time
>>103294310>Hey bro, this card from over a decade ago has rust and water damage from a radiator that is also a decade+ old!
>>103294353going from AMD to AMD is painless, you do nothing. its when you go from brand to brand that your OS and drivers need to be redone.
Does 60fps actually look better on 120hz than 144hz or is it a placebo shit? Considering I have VRR and freesync on my monitor Just curious
>>103294378oh ok maybe the redditors have misled me
>>103294315is the 4000 series out for almost 2 years?!don't worry in march we finally going to get the 5000
>>103294392>delays until June so they can hike prices and blame orange manoh well i guess thats just part of being on team green
>>103294378I've been on the same install since the Core 2 Duo days (currently on Ryzen) and went through multiple windows upgrades (Vista -> 7 -> 10) and I think only had a problem once with 10s start menu bugging out. All I do is just put the SSD in the new system and presto. If the new system has a new drive, I just connect the drive to the old system, clone the system drive to it, and boot it on the new system.also been doing this with computers at work, 0 issues ever. The only thing you need to do is install proper drivers.
you see, air cooling->PC spins up fans for POST, drowning out all other soundsair cooling won->Windows bootup puts CPU on 23% load, causing all 27 case fans to spin at +2000 RPMyou don't need watercooling for anythi->fires up video editor, fan noise now resembles a grounded jet enginewatercooling is a waste of m->video editor starts loading project>FFFFFFFFFFFWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>RAM heatsinks melt off, fans overspin to such an extent that they dismantle the laws of physics and create a closed timelike sphere, amplifying the noise level to infinity, destabilizing the very fabric of spacetime and converting the entire planet into strange matter
>>103294386it looks the same since vrr changes your monitors hz.
Will Intel GPU drivers ever catch up?
>>103294386If you have VRR on then 60FPS = 60Hz regardless of the monitor's maximum. If you were to turn it off then you'd get less tearing at 120Hz but 144 might be high enough that you personally don't notice it. Tearing gets less intrusive at higher refresh rates.
>>103294429On Windows? Never.On Linux? Maybe if Mesa cares.
>>103294315I'm not waiting, I'm buying now
>>103293974> when aircoolers are perfectly fineIf only they were but they are way too large. I want to install high RAM DIMMs, I want to access all cable headers around the socket easily, I want to install/remove the cooler withouth breaking/cutting my fingers or the motherboard. And I don't want the noise of fans spinnng up on every spike of CPU activity. Air coolers just suck.
>>103294424Should send it to Dave Plumber to do an autopsy on your registry.
>>103294447Mesa cares a lot, Ani
>>103294153>>103294133why not just run the cables over the top and not have to worry about them touching heat pipes or RAM?
>>103294427>>103294442K thanksPlanning to play some 60fps locked games so I was wondering that, as they're so choppy on 144hz but I guess I'm too used to high frames now
>>103294052you'd be surprised
any good mice that arnt gaymery, is high end, has a good censor and has some actual weight to it
>>103294191It's very based
>>103294496Well yeah 60FPS will feel choppy if you're used to 120+ but any half decent Freesync monitor will drop the refresh to 60 when you play those games.
>>103294492kek
>>103294031damn we got a real krugman here
Do I need a dedicated OS drive or can I put everything on a 2TB sn850x?I am doing my first build tomorrow.
I'm a retard. Let me try again.LOOK AT THESE DEALS! HALF OFF? BUY NOW!
>>103294494Or you could just rotate the fans by 90 or 180 degree so the connectors are closer to each other and you don't have to route them around the components to begin with.
>>103294564>shipped and sold from ShiJiaZhuangShiZhouChanDianZiKeJiYouXianGongSi
>>103294564whew
>>103294582sorry chud, I'm going to get a 9800x3d for half off!
why is valve so basedhttps://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/src/amd/compiler/README.md
>>103294595chang and josé taking revenge for their women preferring tall aryan wypipo with european accents
>>103294564Can't wait to see half off 5090's.
>>103294598>We'd like to give gamers a fluid, stutter-free experience, so we prioritize compilation speedwindows gamers will never have this
>>103294066They are. And with the Silent Base 802 you can quickly change between max airflow and max silence by switching to the solid panels that are always included. But usually this isn't even necessary since good airflow keeps the fans spinning slower and less noisy. Depends on your cooling setup of course. I only "close" my case when browsing/reading/coding at night. During the day or when gaming I use the mesh panels.
Swapped in my 4080 Super to my AMD build. Barely fits. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RsBgLc
>>103294642>4 slotschonky card
What is the absolute best graphics card for pcie 1.1?
>>103294066what I like most about bequiet cases is that they're amazing at isolating drive noise so I can keep using my mechanical drives without ever hearing themtheir PSUs are inaudible as wellas for fans, they're quite efficient and won't be heard unless spinning quite fast, Arctic ones are a bit quieter at full rpm in my experience>>103294624 is correct, silent base 802 with mesh covers offers great airflow and the radiator top mount is idiot proof, feature set in general is incredible for its price classthis is a pretty big case as far as ATX towers go, make sure you have enough space for it
>>103294136That seems like a good place to start then just use pc part picker and the recommended specs here to finish the build.
>>103294679pretty sure anything new is backwards compatible so you can probably put anything in there
>>103294642that tumor of an adapter ruins the aesthetics
dude... say it aint so that this pc is better than my g14 4060 7940hs because of thermal constraints...
I have a 2700x currently and while it's fine, I really want to upgrade the chip to something used for $100- 150 dollars but not sure what would be ideal as an upgrade from this chip. 3900x?
>>103294716Tell me about it. But I'm not replacing the PSU. Here's the same PC with a 3080 ti.
>>103294725I'd go for a 5700x3d, should be 200 buckaroos new, maybe you can find a used one in mint condition
>>103294580i rotated the fans until my cables could route over top the fans and underneath the fan clips so there was no (or very little) slack in the cables. the connectors are still close together
>>103294624oh that's nice.the fact that you can just switch the panels depending on your usecase.I really need a silent case since my PC usually runs when I go to sleep.so a silent case and silent components are my top priority.what does the rest for your build looks like?
>both of my new NVME came in>don't want to be bothered opening up my case and putting them inthis sucks
>>103294688The beQuiet Silent Base 802 is also available with both side panels solid instead of one glass panel and for less money. The side panels are heavy duty qt and very well dammed against resonance.
>>103294642why is the card so fat?
>>103292207dug out my old devils canyon gaming PC to prep it to use with my racing rig (will finally have the room to set it up permanently with its own screen and shit soon).Picked up a cheap delid tool and direct die frame on aliexpress a few months ago and finally felt like doing it.managed 4.8Ghz stable at 1.32v with the peerless assassin (pulled it out of another disused system), so picked up about 300mhz, zero throttling in OCCT.Wish I did this years ago when it was still my main system.>>103294642GPUs have gotten so fat in just 2 generations.
>tell dad I built a new computer>it's an am5 7800x3d>"oh my god why would you do that? intel is so far ahead and so much better than AMD">what>"please send some benchmark data to me about how shit your new computer is">sends me to userbenchmarksIt would be funny if he wasn't normally so smart.
>>103294731slick/10
>>103294791>>103294791All cooling. And I'm sure it could have been done better. >>103294822thanks!
>>103294814Your father is living like 6 years in the past.
>>103294806I have that Uphere sag bra and it's fucking horrible. That rubber piece somehow got torn. Get an upright magnetic pen style support instead.
>>103294806My main PC with a 13700K clocked to 5.6ghz and the 4080 Super got within the margin of error FPS of my 5700x3d with the same card. And ran a shit-ton hotter, too. That's why I swapped cards over. I think max boost on the 5700x3d is only 4.1ghz.
>>103294806>GPUs have gotten so fat in just 2 generations.That's one of main motivations for installing a waterblock on my GPU.3+ slot GPUs I feel kind of takes away the point of an ATX system
>>103294066>are Bequiet cases decent at being quiet?Their quiet cases are the only actual silent cases on the market, and on par with the Antec P180/182/183 in everything except that turd HDD cage they use.Every other "silent" case just puts 2mm vinyl on the side panel and calls it a day, including Fractal Design too.
>Every board I can find is over MSRP Nice fucking black friday sales.
>>103292909If you want ray-tracing. Only nVidia.
>>103294984but it's sunday?
>>103294977The biggest key to a quiet cases, in my experience, is a lot of fans. Or using bigger fans. The extra airflow allows you to run lower RPMs and with that, less noise. Also, a PSU and GPU that are zero RPM under low load helps, too.
>>103294781I just wish be quiet made a itx/matx silent base.I want a silent case but I already moved to SFF builds and refuse to buy any case that's longer than 30cm in any dimension.A small cube like the Jonsbo C6 but with Be Quiet Silent Base side panels would be my dream case.Either that, or have Antec re-introduce the P180 line with a hdd-less compact version.
if I put a pci gen 3 card in a gen 4 x4 slot will I get the gen 4 speed or would the card run at gen 3 x4 speed
>>103295032It'll always run at the lowest of the 2 part's speeds.
CPU: Intel i7 8700 - 6 cores @ 3.2 GHz (Turbo up to 4.6 GHz)Motherboard: Asus ROG MAXIMUS XI HERO (Intel Z390)RAM: Corsair 32GB Vengeance LPX 3000MHz (2x16GB)Storage: 1TB Seagate HDD, 2TB Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSDGPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8 GBPSU: Corsair 850W (Modular) - Low NoiseCooling: Game Max Iceberg RGB (Advanced Liquid Cooling)These are my specs. What's the best GPU that this build can support? I want to upgrade the GPU but I am a n00b regarding building/upgrading PCs so I am not sure which GPU this build can support. budget: around £300-400??
>>103295049You're limited, as that CPU will bottleneck a powerful card. At a guess, a 2080 variant.
>>103295068Thanks.So should I buy a new CPU as well, or should I instead start planning to eventually build a new desktop? I got this one in 2019, it was good for a few years but obviously it's dated now.
>>103294722It is. AMD's laptop naming scheme makes zero sense so I don't even know if that's a good chip. All I know for sure it is in no way equivalent to a 7950X or even a 7900XIt also can't be good that when I googled "g14 4060 7940hs" the first thing that came up was a repasting video...
>>103295049It can technically support any (consumer) card on the market but your CPU will hold the top tier ones back. Your budget pretty much decides it for you in any case - 4060Ti (new) or 3070/2080Ti (used). On the AMD side you'd be looking at a 6700XT or 7700XT.
>>103295092CPU, you're limited to a 9700K as the best you can on that socket. I'd save up and build new.
>>103295094probably referring to the 2023 model, but >AMD's laptop naming scheme makes zero sense also this. why are they like this
>>103295049For £400 you can get a 7800XT right now it'll do a lot better than the 1070.Nvidia, well you need £500 to get a 4070 Super to make it worth it. You can upgrade the CPU but better to see if the GPU is really that much bottlenecked to bother you right now
>>103295117AMD's naming annoys me. I've built 2 AMD PCs and I still have no idea what any of it means other than AM4 vs. AM5."It's a Ryzen Zen 5 5600X AM4 Triple Lindy 7"
>>103295139it's all stupid across the board. I've given up.
>>103295039So if I understand this correctly the graphics card would effectively run at pci gen 3 x8 because they would be the same bandwidth of 8 GB/s?
>>103295154Heh, yeah, and Intel is as bad now. The Core Ultra Super Duper 9 285K LGBT
are philips and flat head screws still the norm in pc buidling or have they finally switched to torx? want to buy some nice esd screwdrivers
>>103295168Philips across the board. From size 0-1 for M.2 SSDs to a #2 for everything else.
>>103294767I installed all 3x140mm Pure Wings that came with the case as front intake. In the top I have an ALF2 360 with original fans as exhaust and a custom modded pump for reading it's RPM. In the rear I run another 140mm Pure Wing exhaust fan. CPU is a 5800X3D, RAM 32GB, GPU 4090, 2xNVMe + 2xHDD, PSU 1000W Dark Power Pro 11. For temperature and fan/pump control I use the programmable QUADRO from aqua computer with sensors to the radiator lamella near the in and out tubing. It also has the system shut down in case my pump's RPM signal fails.
>>103295180thanks
am I missing out on anything if I get a gsync compatible monitor instead of a gsync native monitorI've never had either
>>103294597enjoy your 5600X
>>103295011Be Quiet cases are also super fucking big so low rpm kind of does pretty little.
>>103295189It was a very satisfying experience to mill the hard glue off the contact and bridge it with solder to the rpm contact so that the cable would deliver the rpm from the pump. For unknown reasons the circuit board of the pump has such a contact but it isnt used. picrel my preparations for the mod.
Mechanical keyboards are a meme right?
>>103294353You may have to reactivate winblows since you are moving to a new mobo
>>103295158No it's the slowest combination. Price you pay for cross-compatibility.Gen4x16 device in a gen3x4 slot = gen3x4 bandwidth Gen3x8 device in a gen4x16 slot = gen2x8 bandwidth
>>103295263Yes but good rubber dome trackpoints are a bigger meme.
>>103295226> super fucking bigThey fit nicely under my desk where they belong. They are just big enough to allow a 4090 and soon 5090 to BREATHE.
>>103295263Nah it's just a luxury. Might as well ask the same of a leather steering wheel or triple ply bog roll.
>>103295189>>103295261nice.that's some high quality modding right here. I like it.
>>103295320For that money I got a refurbished Thinkpad laptop.
>>103295289where on the mobo is the information stored that windows need to not ask for reactivation?
>>103295355Tex Shinobi (pic) is a limited custom design by ibm fans for ibm fans. With super special snowflake keycaps manufactured for this keyboard only. And real Lexmark trackpoint units, way better than Lenovo ones.SK-8855 (>>103295320) was a mass produced workstation/server (kvm unit) keyboard. I have no fucking idea what the ebay sellers are thinking asking those prices.
>>103295331>281 x 539 x 537so much wasted space.see picrel instead, 202 x 349 x 295, nice and compact, fits on a fucking shelf even, and still has space for everything you need. only thing it is missing are proper silent panels, but if you go SSD only it won't matter.
>>103295331it's called desktop, not deskunder
i'm going to buy the AXP120 instead of the Phantom Spirit for a 7700X to save $10
>>103295360On the Microsoft server that holds your license and hardware information.
>>103295405unless you have a hot CPU, that tower cooler actually interferes with GPU thermals because it's making the top exhaust less effectivethe tower cooler also takes sloppy seconds from the GPU exhaust unless you're running the rear as intake and the tower cooler following that directionthe bottom fans just add noise and turbulence, the GPU fans can intake air on its own from the bottom mesh. especially if top exhaust is not hindered by the tower cooler
>>103294425>He hasn't modified fan curve to only ramp past 60cNgmi
>>103295305>gen2x8this was a typo correct? should it be gen3 x8?
>>103295478Yes my bad.
I already have 16GB (2x8) DDR4 RAM. If I want 32 it's better to buy another 2x8 or replace with them with 2x16? I remember reading somewhere that having all 4 slots occupied didn't give you the best performance compared to just two but I dunno could have been wrong
>>103294642I had a compact atx that barely fit a msi ""''''slim"""""' 4080s, it was at this point I decided I needed a new case
>>103295405Burgers will never again know this kino
>>103294814I never knew userbenchmark had a son
I asked ChatGPT whats the best PC for 1440p gaming considering price-performance ratio.How did she do?
>>103295497that's not a fractal tho
>>103295405> everything you needI need 2x20TB HDD storage that don't fit.I need a 4090/5090 that doesn't fit and would choke if it did.I need a 1000W PSU that doesn't fit.I need an easy to service and maintain case.That thing may be cute but it's not eal and not up to the requirements.I got a lot of unused space under my desk. I'm not living in a pod.
>>103295497That's right. Nazi Germs will never again know this "kino". There are many Germs in Germany.
>>103295488if you want maximum performance replace with 2x16if you just need more ram and want to save money, get another 2x8
>>103295497the GPU here would be getting cooked, GPU temps would get cut down significantly with just a single exhaust fan on the top right but there's no spaceonly the CPU cooler is acting as shitty exhaust on its own, and it gets fucked by GPU exhaust
>>103295533got it thanks anon
why is still totally normal to install the cpu directly on the mobo while the gpu is still banished to the pci slots?wouldn't it make more sense to put a extra socket on the mobo for the gpu?
>>103294226I like the look of the big metal block desu
>>103295531are you the Momoi anon? if yes hi
I got the Lian Li A3 am I going to regret thisMy parts will fit but it kinda looks like a pain to build in. Maybe I should get the AP201 instead
Why is 27in the standard for 1440p? I didn't even want to go up to 25in for the one I got years ago. Do normies really value a comically large screen over good PPI?
>>103295505I love beQuiet products and shill them 24/7 but DESU their cpu air coolers as well as AIOs are rather meh. For the money of that Dark Rock 4 I would get an ALF3 360. SSD storage is too small. RAM not enough nowadays. 4070 is not a 1440p card.
>>103295571Hi sweetie!
>>103295601I wonder if bequiet made any improvements to their socket mounts. I had some variety of dark rock that had the goofiest mount I've ever seen.
>>103295601what would you say I should take instead of the 4070?The 4070 super?
>>103295598>27 inch>comically largeyall are a bunch of manlets27 is tiny, 32 is the sweet spot
>>103295483No problem I'm still a little unsure about my specific question its my fault for not really giving enough information I would be putting a Gen3 x16 card into a Gen4 slot that runs at x4Should the card then run at gen3 x8 since thats the fastest the gen4 slot will allow? where i'm putting a faster Gen3 card in a slower gen4 slot I just want to make sure about compatibility
If I have 3 intake in front and 1 intake in rear and 3 empty slots on top, how should put the top fans
>>103295646Is your desk a dining room table and is your chair a couch?
>>103295520>I need 2x20TB HDD storage that don't fit.use a NAS like a normal person>I need a 4090/5090 that doesn't fit and would choke if it did.It fits GPUs under 335mm which allows over half the 4090s, and they would choke in any setup anyway because they are 600W retard tier space heaters.>I need a 1000W PSU that doesn't fit.Corsair SF1000 says hi.You can also use ATX PSUs but then you have less space on top for fans and under the PSU for cables.>I need an easy to service and maintain case.This case is comically easy to maintain, you push a button and the side pops off, then you reach in and pop off the side panels with your finger. You don't even need to dick around with thumbscrews.>That thing may be cute but it's not eal and not up to the requirements.It is definitely real. I have the non-max version which only takes 250mm cards. The only thing you have to pay attention to is getting a GPU that has the cooling fins oriented sideways, so it vents air into the side, not on the front (where there's no space).>I got a lot of unused space under my desk. I'm not living in a pod.I have lots of space under the desk too, but I'm not a manlet and a large case would get in the way of my legs. I guess if you are a midget you don't have this problem.
>>103295666it's a decently big desk, I don't live in a fucking shipping container
>>103295651>1 intake in rearwhy? this should be exhaust>topall exhaust (hot air rises and goes to the top)
>>103295488>>103295551If you use a Ryzen, do not go for 4 sticks, always use only 2, so 2x16 in your case. They have anaemic memory controllers and can barely drive two sticks let alone four.
>>103295497This case can show PSU temp, load and fan.But I can't find any psu with stats output ports on their site.How is that supposed to work?
>>103295647It's always the minimum possible - your setup will run with gen3x4 bandwidth (~4GB/s). You can't get "extra" lanes like that because those lanes are physical connections and you can't "cheat" the version because each revision requires higher signal integrity.Primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrXwe21biJo
>>103295642If you want to enjoy 1440p you should get the 4070 Ti Super. If money is a problem then you have to go with what you can afford.
Thoughts on this motherboard? I'm comfortable picking out the rest of my parts but don't really know what to look for in a motherboard.https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-z790-h-gaming-wifi-atx-motherboard-intel-z790-lga-1700/p/N82E16813119635?Item=N82E16813119635
>>103295713Ok thats what I was afraid ofI might just have to suck it up and use a new nvidia card in linux instead of trying to use my old rx580
>>103292762change the psu, adata is kinda shit from my experience with their ssds. you can get a cooler master v sfx gold 850w for $100.with the saved $50 you could upgrade the cpu to an i7-12700k and be at the same pricepoint, or go for more/faster ram or more storage.otherwise seems solid.
>>103295762Should clarify, I'm in the US and have about a 2k total budget - need to buy a monitor as well.
>>103295647gen is the version of the port, and x4/x8/x16 is the physical amount of connections.A gen3 x16 card in a gen4 x4 port would only have x4 lanes physically connected, it could not go x8 or whatever because the physical wiring does not exists (the up side is that you can put a x16 card in a x1 slot too, and it will work, at x1 speeds - it is how bitcoin miners connected 16 cards to one motherboard).And if the card is gen 3 then it can only connect on the port at gen 3 because it does not understand anything newer.
>>103295790To be fair if the card is just functioning as a display adapter PCIe3x4 is plenty. Indeed it might even be fine for some gaming - given its performance you wouldn't be playing intensive games anyway.
>>103295695He could have the cpu pointing upwards and the gpu expel air not on its sides (rising towards the gpu) but on its back (in which case the intake fans on the front would actually blow hot air on the cpu).You can do all sorts of wacky shit like that if you don't go for the same type of basic rgb rig cases that every company sells. Look at pic related for example, perfect for bottom to top airflow, if you rotate the cooler by 90 degrees so it blows upwards, it works even better.
>>103295695Oh yeah I meant rear exhaust, 3 intake front, 1 exhaust rear, 3 empty top, should all top be exhaust or should 1 be exhaust and rest intake/empty
>>103295598> Why is 27in the standard for 1440pBecause of pixel density. Everything on the screen gets smaller with it. Many older programs don't adapt, some to the point they get unreadable/unusable. To make up for this, at least somewhat, displays have to get larger. I have a 32" 4k display and whenever I use my 27" 1440p it feels like the old times of 24" office display again. If you have a large desk like I do you tend to put your display farther away to use the desk in front of it for more than just a keyboard, like books or a tablet with breakfast... In this case a larger display, even 32", does not feel comically large. Now imagine also leaning back in your gaymore chair...
>>103295666>Is your desk a dining room table and is your chair a couch?He probably has this.
>>103295817why do mobo manufacturers use a x16 connector if its limited to x4?
>>103295697This is true for AM5 and DDR5 but less problematic with AM4 and DDR4 if (!) you got one of the latest Ryzens for that platform. The 5800X3D and probably also the 5700X3D can easily run 3600CL16 with 4x8GB. On my old X370 even 3733CL16 with Samsung B-die.
>>103295835yeah I guess so I still haven't bought a board yet so I might find something else
>>103295762It's Intel. Do you have a particular use case to justify this?
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waitfag BTFO predictions for 50 / 8000 series?might be the worst ever desu
>>103295868All top should be exhaust in case of a full length radiator. Without radiator or with a shorter rad the fan next to the front would have no great effect and it's place could be left empty..
>>103294691Thanks anon. Did some messing around with the specs. If I want to stay under the USD 1300 price tag, I found I had to sub some parts.Does pic related look good? (Note, the comp. flag is telling me to make sure the Motherboard has the correct BIOS)
>>103295869>Everything on the screen gets smaller with it.That's why operating systems let you change the scale of those things. You keep the clarity of the high pixel density for your images and video, but you don't need to squint to see your software's text. My viewing distance is around 18-20 inches, so 25in is still pushing the upper limits. The issue is that there's no variety in these panels. Outside of older monitors or specialty monitors, a resolution is stuck with a single size for 95% of its options. It sucks. I was mad enough losing 16:10, and now I can't even get a 16:9 at a suitable size.
>>103295942Because then you can put in extra add-on cards of any size. You only need x1 for the card to work, the rest is just extra bandwidth. And sometimes you simply don't need the extra bandwidth, but the card slots physical size would otherwise prevent you from using the slot.Example use case is a 10GbE dual port network card, using PCIE gen 2 x8. If you only use a single network port, then 4 PCIE lanes are more than enough. But if the slot is physically x4 only, then you can't plug it, it wouldn't fit.also someone tested modern videocards for how much low lane count would bottleneck them, and I forgot the exact numbers, but it was something like 10% perf drop for running a pcie gen 4 x16 card in a pcie gen 3 x4 slot.
>>103295972Was gonna do an intel build using this:https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-12900k-core-i9-12th-gen-alder-lake-lga-1700-desktop-processor/p/N82E16819118339?Item=N82E16819118339Should I go AMD?
>>103296002wifi adapter is probably a waste of moneyget an NVME with DRAM
>>10329599050 series will be space heaters at artificially jacked up prices.8000 series is 7000 series with double the ray tracing performance, but will only have midrange cards at best (8600 and maybe 8700).
>>103296028>Because then you can put in extra add-on cards of any size.aren't the ends of x1/x4/x8 slots cut out to allow larger cards? I thought this was a standard thing
>>103296052>aren't the ends of x1/x4/x8 slots cut out to allow larger cards? I thought this was a standard thingIt's not a standard thing, they just started doing it in recent years. Probably someone noticed that getting x4 connectors and sawing off the ends was cheaper than using x16 wired to x4.I mean it may only save 50 cents but when you sell 10 million motherboards it quickly adds up.
>>103295990RTX 5090 $2400Rest of the stack has lowest generational improvements ever because only clock and memory speed improvements
https://www.amazon.com/XFX-Radeon-7900GRE-Graphics-RX-79GMERCB9/dp/B0CVNJLHXWIs this real life or am I missing something? How is anything going to beat that price?
Are Noctuas GPU a meme? I've got an Asud 4070 triple fan and that shit is cool and silent even in demanding games
>>103296042>NVME with DRAMIs the assumption here to just throw out wireless connection entirely for better memory access? It'll be a pain to route an ethernet cable to where I'm going to set up the PC
>>1032960964070 Super
>>103295667> use a NAS like a normal personRenders the whole purpose of a tiny case null and void as I would need another case and space to put it and it would make it more expensive, the write and read slower, require network and power cables etc. Not worth the hassle for 2x20TB.> a large case would get in the way of my legsMy legs are long not fat. There is plenty of space to the right where I never put any body parts. Would be a shame not to use it for a practically sized case.
>>103296096You're missing that the seller is running a scam
>>103296118does the mobo not have wifi? most come with built in good quality wireless
>>103295489There was plenty of room in my Corsair 5000D. I didn't think to measure before I pulled it. Luckily it fit. Barely.
Possibly a siIly question. I need more USB slots for my mouse, keyboard, headset, and game controller. I'm thinking of picking up one of these front panel hubs.Do you think one of these is "overkill", and that some external usb hub that connects from a single usb port would do the trick? Or is that external hub going to cause wireless latency issues you think?
>>103296096>am I missing something?Yeah, it's by XFX.>>103296103Kind of already answered your own question there. If it's cool and silent then obviously it is not a meme.But I'd just get a normal GPU, deshroud it, and zip tie noctua fans the heatsink. Cheaper.Also, who handles the warranty for those? If it's ASUS, then they'll expect you to pay for a new card if there's any issues. Their support is a scam operation.>>103296118Most motherboards come with built in wifi nowadays, even if it is just a m.2 E keyed card.
>>103296148there are also pcie ones
>>103296155No I meant I have an Asus 4070 pic related which is already running cool and silent I don't know what more can the Noctua's one can offer on the noise/temp scale
>>103296148just get an external usb hubperipherals use barely any bandwidth, most controllers for example are still using usb 2.0 speeds
>>103296133>>103296155I just checked, this one doesn't. I guess it's back to the motherboard drawing board - was mainly looking at the USB ports.Another stupid question, do I need to get a sound card?
>>103296169noctua is a reddit brandyes they make good stuff, I use an L12s, but even ultra budget brands like Arctic compete with them
>>103296171>I guess it's back to the motherboard drawing boardshould be easy enough to find one>do I need to get a sound card?noif you want to populate that extra pcie slot get an m.2 expansion card if anything
>>103296148No case can hold those nowadays unless you have some very old one. However you may find some that connect to unused PCIE outputs, as in not an actual card, just a bracket with a USB port breakout on it.If all you need is connections for a mouse, keyboard etc, so not anything I/O intensive, just get a cheap hub. Hell, many monitors have USB hubs built in. I don't think latency would be an issue.Also note, when I tried my gamepad with the bluetooth dongle in the monitors USB hub, I actually got less latency, but only because the bluetooth adapter now had a clear line of sight to the controller, instead of getting blocked by the table/chair.
>>103296023> That's why operating systems let you change the scale of those things.I also said that older programs don't adapt. People who do real work with their PC, aside from gaymin, often use older programs that remain at a fixed pixel size, no matter what the OS messages them. There are even games that refuse to adapt. Ever played Total War Shogun 2 in 4k? On a 32" hardly readable UI, on a 27" literally unplayable.
>>103296031Yes intel shit the bed games don't like ecores
>>103296204Noted. Thanks
I currently have a ryzen 5 5600 + rtx 3060ti.What would be a good CPU upgrade?I dont want to spend more than 250€.Picrel any good?
>>103296218Also I have a 4k monitor...
>>103296031What is your main use case, what has priority? Production? Intel okay. Gaymin? AMD better. Just a rule of thumb atm.
>>103296231Building a gaming PC
>>1032962185700x3d but would upgrade gpu first
>>1032962185700x3d from aliexpress, around 130-140 us dollars should be around the same in euro
>>103296148seconding an external hub. i bought this one and its fantastic, has a dedicated poer usb port and individual buttons to enable/disable ports. i just leave most of my peripherals plugged in and turrn them on or off as i need them and it tucks away behind my monitors when i dont need to fiddle with it.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BH252R3J
>>103296218You want the 5700X3D for gaming. It's about €175 in German online stores.
>>103296157>>103296170>>103296189Thank friendos I'll just grab something like this then.Cheers>>103296189>No case can hold those nowadays unless you have some very old oneModern cases dont have front panels you can remove anymore? My case is only 6 years old so I am out of the loop.I guess even optical drives have shifted to USB so it does make sense
>>103296230> 4k monitorGet a 5090 first, kek. Alternatively run games in 1080p only.
>>103296299Oh that looks quite nice. I think that would be perfect for what I need.Thank you for the rec anon.
>>103296284> should be around the same in euroHow about import tax? Chinkware gets taxed in Yourope.
it's actually crazy that a crazy CPU is needed to hit 120 fps at fucking 1080pwhat the fuck are these new games doing
>>103296148for me it's pcie expansion cards, don't like hub bricks much
>>103296346thats sexy
>>103296125>Renders the whole purpose of a tiny case null and void as I would need another case and space to put it It means you have more space in your living room and you can put the server somewhere where it doesn't get in the way, like a storage room. This also solves any noise issues indefinitely.>and it would make it more expensiveYou want to put a 5090 in your case and you are bitching about spending $250 on an Odroid H3? Hell you could even just repurpose any previous builds you have lying around, that's what I did.>the write and read slowerrun it over 10GbE and use iSCSI. My NAS drives run exactly as fast as they would be if connected natively, up to and including random access (no retarded SMB bottlenecks). I could put 4x 20TB in a Z1 array and get ~900 MB/s peak read easily, my previous array of WD Reds could reach half of that, and those were 5400rpm drives.>require network and power cables etc.I have to run an extra cat6a next to my internet cable, big fucking deal. And even that only because I can't be arsed to get a dedicated switch.And oh no, an extra power cable, in a storage room, it will surely start biting people if left unattended.>Not worth the hassle for 2x20TB.That's why you put in 4x20TB in a Z1 array, and you'll be set for storage for several years plus you have parity protection.
>>103296331> Epic Settings
>>103296331>that max framerate>that huge gap between the best and the restinsane
>>103296306>>103296284>>103296273Really? Staying with AM4? Hmmm
>>103296183>even ultra budget brands like Arctic compete with themThey are better at performance/price, but not in pure performance. Also Noctua fans last decades, and if they do so much as develop a slight bearing noise, Noctua will send you a replacement.
>>103296000Since i'm air cooling I guess top fans aren't really necessary except maybe top rear as exhaust?
>>103296171>Another stupid question, do I need to get a sound card?Not unless you dislike the sound quality of the onboard audio, or if the onboard audio breaks. The one on my board did, but I just got a USB Soundblaster for my headphone and I drive my speakers from an AVR anyway. Or you can be a hipster retard and get a $300 USB amp. Either way, PCIE soundcards are pointless now.>>103296311modern cases are all glass/mesh and rgb only, no 5.25" slots whatsoever, unless you use something from Silverstone who still releases actual functional cases instead of ricer bullshit.
are the 165hz 4K QD-OLED panels worse in other ways besides refresh rate? I wouldn't be able to hit 240 fps anyways never mind 165, so maybe I can just save $200-$300 insteadFor 4K movies they'll be glorious 24 fps anyways too
>>103295497>>103295544Case is goated with rear intake-top exhaust. Got no room for 120mm top fan tho if you are using an atx psu, so i chopped an old stock cooler and taped it on top as an exhaust
I've always been curious, do we know in what countries Radeon sales are the best and worse? I'm pretty sure there are countries that have a noticeable preference for Nvidia or AMD but I found no data on the matter
>>103296284>5700x3d from aliexpress, around 130-140 us dollars should be around the same in euroyou'd get +25% VAT plus extra import charges in euro, and the chip would end up as a rebadged socket 939 Athlon 64.>>103296324I often order cheap shit from alibaba, there's a limit I think up to 20 euro that won't get import charges. Well, I haven't gotten any yet.
>>103296369> more space in your living roomI have an office room for my desk and PC. Space is not an issue and that's why I never considered going small. I built many PCs in my life and my experience has always been that smaller cases suck painfully. When travelling I have a thinkpad with me that is even smaller than your tiny pc and also works unplugged. I see no benefit in trying to cramp as much as possible in a tiny case. I wonder why it's mostly faggots who get aroused by this, faggots like this one:https://www.youtube.com/@optimumtech
>>103296331>homeworld 3>only game where my 7800x3d would really stand out to non 3d cpustoo bad that game turned out to be dei shit that i will forever memory hole
>>103296389It's worth maxing out the AM4 platform, even more so if you have a 4k display. You can invest more money in a better GPU that makes more of a difference.
>>103296424pic related is for a bottom-to-top airflow case (NR200, would also apply to the Lian Li A3 and Corsair AP201) but I imagine some of the concept would be applicable to front-to-rearExhaust fans aiming to get that hot GPU air out, also helps the CPU since it's intaking less hot air from GPUPic related is for low profiel air cooler but he also does videos for tower coolers in the NR200, same concept, the top exhaust fan is the most important in this case at leastExhaust is the most effiicient at moving hot air out, if you had the choice to do exhaust-only vs intake-only, exhaust will always winI'm going to be building in the Lian Li A3 soon, I'll only be doing 1 intake fan just so the CPU cooler will have some cool air for itself against the GPU hot air
>>103296429Fractal still makes cases with 5.25" slots, have a friend who is building a new PC same time as me, they got this fractal case with mesh front but couple slots at the top since for DVD/bluray whateverDoesn't have to be silverstone which barely makes new designs nowadays
>>103296445i just realiezd you'r fitting in an ATX psu in what appears to be an ITX <20L case, lmao yeah the right top exhaust is definitely going to help temps a lot, would definitely be much better if it was a 120mm fan but an SFX PSU is gonna cost you an extra $100 i imagine
>>103296194These uses don't really make the case that the majority of monitors should be a single size. There are a few programs I use that don't get scaled, but it's not so horrible that it's unusable. People that use software that isn't affected by scale can't be much of the market. Ultimately, it should be an option, but unfortunately it's all homogenized. My current monitor is 25in and 117DPI. A 24in 1080 is 91DPI, where pixelation is evident. A 27in 1440 is 108DPI, where the screen becomes a chore to view. There's very few options when it comes to high DPI, reasonably sized screens. Even moreso if you want a high refresh rate.
>>103296445>>103296505alternatively if that's not even a hot CPU, if that's just a 7600/7700/7800X3D (no idea about 9800X3D but i imagine thats cool as well)then just drop in a top-down low profile cooler instead. Side fan for it to intake some cool air separate from GPU (well same idea as the rear intake for the tower cooler) but it gives you much mroe space to do exhaust fans on top for the GPU's sake
>>103296424Top fans are necessary because you want to get at least as much air out as you take in, right? The air from the two or three front fans moves diagonally up and to the rear, transporting heat from the motherboard and the GPU. Just one rear fan, working against the resistance of the stupid grill that nowadays covers it in most cases and can't be removed w/o dremel work, can't get all the air out fast enough. You need more fans in the rear top to prevent stalling airflow.
>>103294494I tried this, but the distance is awkward for my cables. You either get too much distance and slack, or there's no slack and it just barely doesn't connect. By routing the cables under, it connects like that, although maybe I should fug with it some more and see
>>103294706Yeah I knew that, but if I got the modern top of the line it would be bottlenecked by the low bandwidth on the bus, right? So what I'm trying to figure out is what specs/card is needed in order to make the bus bandwidth the limiting factor>>103296331rocket science>>103296461>deishitpronounced deeuhshit or dayshit?
>>103296445Where are the dust filters?
Thermalright SKU bloat... what is the difference between SE and not SE on the same model?
Week 4 of waiting for shit from AliExpress
Truth be told, I've been out of the game for a very long time. I haven't really built a PC since 2011. I really want to build a good Skyrim machine that can run a lot of mods. I know that it can be run on anything but my understanding is a highly modded game will require a really good CPU and a lot of RAM over a really good GPU. Thanks frens.
Looking to get an SSD for storage, don't really care too much about speeds. Just care about reliability and space. Anything else I should consider over the Crucial BX500? Not gonna be used as a boot drive, for gaming or any apps. Currently about 200 for 4TB.
>>103296455I ordered up to €50 from aliexpress without problems. There are different limits for different product groups. Electronics, bikes, clothes etc. And the German Zoll (customs) is merciless. If I ever wanted something worth over €50 I would look up the specific regulation.
>>103296505>>103296526yea a decent SFX psu still goes around the $200 range here. Never really thought about a low profile cooler, that's interesting tho >>103296591right, getting one asap. thx anon
okay, dumb question.Would it be possible to link aggregate 4x 2.5GbE ports, connect them into a 8x 10GbE RJ45 switch, and then use a single 10GbE RJ45 going into my desktop PCs 10GbE port?Or does link aggregation needs to be point to point, ie. I'd need a 4x 2.5GbE port on the desktop too?
>>103296455That depends where you live. In France under 150 euros you won't get extra taxes. Check if the vendor includes tax or not
>>103296331>5800x3d that low>5700x3d should be roughly 285k performanceAM4bros... What the fuck...
>>103295990Homebrew AI faggotry will spin out of control and inflate GPU prices as much as the Eth mining craze did.
Anyone have experience with the h6 flow?only downside i see is that the only shit you can use for fans are the NZXT ones
>>103296626You are talking about SATA SSD?
>>103296717Ye, no more space for nvme
>>103296611Shorter/less finstack
>>103296728You can't fit a HDD? You would get several times the capacity for that amount of precious shekels. You also can't fit a PCIe card with more NVMe slots?
>>103296331>7600x3d not even in benchmarks because almost no one has the CPUkek
how do disable the required data checkbox?
>>103296793>cannot be switched offLMAO
Has anyone here undervolted a 5700x3d?
>>103296793linuxwireshark the data and blacklist the domains
>>103296823>>103296823>>103296823
>>103296773>You can't fit a HDDI can but I'm a little scared about accidentally bumping into it and messing it up. Also read some horror stories of them randomly dying. >You also can't fit a PCIe card with more NVMe slotsI probably can but I'm on a budget so I was just trying to get a simple sata. Was looking at the SN580 since it was considered a budget nvme but I see it only goes up to 2 tb. If it went up to 4, I would probably consider getting an extra slot for it unless there's another budget model I should look at.
>>103296845SSDs can also die randomly. They also have inherently finite capacities and may lose data if unpowered for several years. Each tech has its own advantages and disadvantages.If you buy a decent HDD (preferably the NAS or Enterprise tier ones), they will most likely outlast your gaming rig. Just stresstest them when they arrive, so if they have any initial faults, you can kill them before they have your precious data on them.
>>103296793https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/
>>103296802Just imagine being such a cuck.
>>103296845>I can but I'm a little scared about accidentally bumping into it and messing it upive carried hdds in my pocket in cross country tips before. theyre generally fine as long as youre not abusing them while theyre on/in the read/write cycle. kinetic drive failure is rare and takes a lot, evidenced by laptops using them for years and generally being fine.>Also read some horror stories of them randomly dyingas >>103296892 said, all storage mediums can fail. thats why you have multiple backups on different physical devices in different physical locations. i have a handful of drives (including ATA) that are pushing 15 years old and they read fine so long as you store them fine. the biggest contributors to drive failure are thermal cycling, physical shocks, and sustained operation. my current hdd is at 7 years 219 days of power-on time and its fine, though its definitely as slow as an hdd from that time. ,just dont abuse them phsyically and have parity with backups/RAID and theyr enot a big concern.
>>103296148why not use the ports you probably already have
I didn't buy extra fans for my case (i think it has one exhaust fan in the case). Is it a bad idea to turn it on? My cpu has a cooler with fan as well
>>103297569if you turn it on youre going to die
>>103297636seriously tho, how many extra fans should I put in there?
>>103297684depends on the case and what your goal is, but generally you want positive pressure inside a case with filters before intakes to minimize dust collection and maximize thermal transfer. higher CFM intake that flows over the gpu and cpu coolers is ideal.
>>103297704>you want positive pressure inside a case with filtersI don't know what this really means desu. but i take it that it's not a mandatory thing The case is micro atx mini tower. deepcool ch370
>>103297838positive internal pressure with intake filters means that more air is entering the case from behind a filter than is leaving the case from places without a filter. consider there are three intake fans at 50cfm each that are all filtered (like for example the front panel of a case), and two exhaust fans at 50cfm each in unfiltered positions anywhere else in the case. there is a surplus of intake air, meaning that any points in the case which are not air-tight will have air exhausting from them, helping to prevent dust from entering the case and accumulating on cooling apparatus. additionally, there will be a surplus of ambient temperature air entering the case, preventing hot air from your coolers stagnating and raiding internal ambient temperatures, limiting air cooling capabilities.
>>103297684>>103297569you should at least have 4-5, 2-3 as intake and 2 exhaust for best performance but you can get away with 3, 2 intake in front and 1 exhaust in rear
