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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V
(Helps also to mention if you're open to soldering or not)

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you are China-savvy)

>Layouts and switches
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com
https://www.theremingoat.com
https://www.switchesdb.com

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet by a twitch streamer)

>What's the deal with backlighting?
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight (WIP, suggestions/corrections welcome)
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Hello /g/ I'm a mongoloid gaming retard; bought a g910 a few years ago and it's finally dying, need a replacement for it.

As I am a big gaming retard, I've been looking at the Logitech G815, as its essentially the modern recreation of what I'm currently typing on and I don't hate this one; if someone else knows about it I would like opinions, though; reviews online are mixed.

The other one I was looking at was a Razer Black Widow V4 Pro because it's also a full size big boy keyboard with a bunch of macro buttons and fiddly knobs 'n such.

Anyone have any suggestions for a 100% or bigger that would be good for gayming? RGB aesthetic very slightly preferred.
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>>103342130
Most boards are just fine for gaming these days. A Keychron will perform as well as any dedicated gamer brand. If you replace the keycaps you can make it look a lot more 'gamer', too. It has full per-key RGB.

Not a lot of 100% boards around. People ask for them a lot, so Keychrons get recommended a lot.
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>>103342227
I have glanced at Keychron; the one that appeals to me the most I think is the Q6 max, but that one is almost 200 and at that price I could just get the Razer one; big reason I'm leaning towards the 815 is that it's about half the price at best buy for black friday; mostly just curious if there's something I've overlooked for cheap. I don't mind spending a lot for a keyboard because I use it a lot but I am a bit tight for cash at the moment, so if I could find one at a heavy discount it would be ideal.
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nth for black & yellow
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Nobody answered last thread. What's a good backlit keyboard for office/programming use on Linux that doesn't have any Chinese keyloggers? Also, are hall effect switches worth it?
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>>103342706
>are hall effect switches worth it?
Hall effect switches are made for their ability to change actuation points and "Rapid fire" inputs, so they're advertised as more of a "Gaming" switch. Hence, I don't see any tangible benefit to HE switches for office.
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>>103342926
they are effectively bulletproof since mechanical failure is impossible, like optical switches, so if you cum alot on your keyboard it might be a plus
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>>103342252
Take a look at the Lemokey P1 Pro. It's basically a rebranded Keychron keyboard and the build quality is amazing.
It doubles as a weapon since it weighs 1.6kg.
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Anyone haves experience with Lofree flow keyboards? They look and sound nice, I know they only have bluetooth, but I wanna use it wired anyhow
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What's even the difference between a metal vs plastic keyboard other than price? Are the pro-metal people just sperging?
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>>103343046
>Tenkeyless
Looks neat but muh numpad...
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>>103343139
You can remap Keys directly onto the keyboard firmware. You could have I, O, P and the the 2 rows below it act as a numpad while pressing the Fn Key.
I have for example switched the ESC key for Caps Lock so I don't have to change it in Software.
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is the IYX MU68 PRO the best rapid trigger keyboard under 150 USD on ali?
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hey. i don't know anything about keyboards. i did a small amount of research and bought a keychron q1 max today. my reasoning was i use a mac, it's got decent build quality, it's wireless and has decent battery. did i do good here?
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just bought these keycaps for my bm65
not looking forward to all that json file bullshit and working with via, looks hella complicated
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>>103344596
this is hot as fuck I like the see through caps.
I too am using box creams occasionally
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My old keyboard just died. Looking to get something new while I'm stuck on a Trust.
>£125
>Europe, England
>used a cherry MX brown for years, comfortable with it
>prefer ISO, don't really care though
>100% form factor
>don't care at all about backlighting
>Ducky One
I'm honestly just thinking of getting another Ducky but I imagine there's better options for something that's of the relative same layout.
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i bought a steelseries apex pro and this shit is so sensitive that I think it's defective, the moment I lift my finger from a key it deactivates
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>>103344637
it cost me a pretty penny ($70), the most expensive keycap set ive ever bought.
idc about teh see through keycaps, wont be using them anyway. ill be using them with gateron everfree curry switches
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>>103344536
Yeah you did fine, Keychron is probably the most common recomendation here, especially if you got it on sale.
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Any wireless mechanical keyboard with a built-in wrist/palm rest area? How the fuck is this not a thing? Or even as an accessory with clips they would turbojew you +59.90$ for.
I literally can't find any. It's almost baffling.
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>>103344818
For a 100% ISO your best option is the Keychron V6
>>103345440
Keychron sell wrist rests, just glue it on if you want it to be permanent.
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>>103345725
Yea, I gave Keychron a look around 100%, but it seems like the UK ISO is out of stock, even through resellers. Could compromise with a K4 at 96% ISO, could get that at a decent price too. I'd just wait, but I'm doing a bulk buy.
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Do all these keyboards require proprietary windows software if I try to use them on Linux?

t. retard
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>>103342252
>the one that appeals to me most is their most expensive one, but it's too expensive
come on, man
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>>103342706
I genuinely don't know what you're asking. Which boards have PCBs made outside of China? Good luck.
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>>103344536
There have been better 75% boards recently for same price or cheaper. Keychron makes OK boards but the only reason they get recommended so much is that they make a decent $100 full-size. Their aluminum 75% isn't as competitive.
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>>103345926
I mean non-chinkshit brands capable of doing quality control to check for spyware.
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>>103345827
most of the boards recommended here use open source QMK firmware with either Vial or Via, both of which work on linux.
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>>103346002
just get a wired qmk board then
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>>103345789
The UK K10 Pro is on Amazon, a bit more expensive than on the Keychron store, but once you factor in their delivery fee vs free amazon shipping then it's not too bad.
And another would be to get a random european iso keychron and swap on some £10 - £20 uk iso keycaps from aliexpress.
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real ass keyboard coming through
matrix 3, tangerines, crp apl.
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gg
I switched to Gateron Milky Yellow Prom and I can tell, a week from now my hands are either going to sore as fuck, or I'll be able press a hole straight through concrete.

This shit is heavy as fuck.
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>>103342252
>Q6 max
V6 max has essentially the same functionality in a plastic case, and is much much cheaper.
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>>103346202
Lookin' good. Nice to see a fellow mx518 enjoyer also
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>>103345955
>There have been better 75% boards recently for same price or cheaper
Better based on reviews or what? The cheaper ones are a thing, but I would still be somewhat cautious with those; cheap and Chinese are not always a good combination

>the only reason
That's not quite true though. They have a very large lineup, and thus get recommended simply because some of the more esoteric form factors don't have much competition. Also they have ISO versions of many boards
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>>103346678
>thus get recommended simply because some of the more esoteric form factors don't have much competition.
Like the 100%. You're saying the same thing I'm saying.
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>>103345337
>>103345955
thanks anons
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>>103346678
>cheap and Chinese are not always a good combination
Keychron is cheap and Chinese lmao
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>>103346282
>Gateron Milky Yellow Prom
>heavy
my second hand embarrassment is literally tangible
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>>103346282
50g linears got you feeling this way? Really?
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can someone tell me how i build a keyboard? i have a ton of chink esp32's and can solder.
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>>103344536
The P1 Pro is basically the same and almost 100$ cheaper. Doesn't have mac support tho.
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>>103346918
this is all the resource u need bro:
www.youtube.com
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>>103347119
i went there and it said i need to search something first.
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>>103346688
Yes, but your post implied that it's only the $100 full size

>>103346770
Indeed, hence the "not always". Keychron is a somewhat established name at this point, and they have a reputation of making pretty good stuff for the price (and they're not even that cheap compared to the cheapest Chinese brands today)
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>>103347195
If we consider all the Chinese brands releasing keyboards that fit in the $100 aluminium 75% range, they're all roughly comparable.
Bridge75, Womier SK75, Rainy75, ND75, Leobog Hi75, I don't think you can go too wrong with any of them.
I think the western scene is much more of a minefield (sure, their stuff is still made in china, but the companies aren't) where you can accidentally buy a piece of shit if you haven't done much research.
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As someone that doesnt know what any of this means can someone explain the difference between these please? Why is the one on the right 20 more dollars. Is there a large difference in performance?
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>>103347574
I can't imagine people buying low profile HE switches and expecting to get any meaningful analog inputs from it, it's already pretty limited on normal height switches.
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>>103347574
Right is a regular mechanical switch, left has a magnet inside of it. It's new tech (but not actually new, it's been around for decades) that gamers are currently obsessed with.
As the other anon said though, a low profile magnetic switch sounds like a meme.
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>>103347773
They're both HE switches anon.
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>>103347794
Oh wtf I'm going blind, I can't read.
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>>103347195
>your post implied that it's only the $100 full size
In this thread that's the majority of Keychron recommendations.
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>>103347563
One on the right is made of POM plastic, the other is made of something else. The POM switch also has a slightly heavier spring.

POM feels and sounds a bit different. In my opinion worse.

On Gateron's website they are almost the same price.
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>>103346918
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjml-K-pV4E
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Is this Royal Kludge R75 keyboard good for office/programming use on Linux? Normally I just use my ThinkPad's keyboard, so I have no idea what I'm doing.

https://rkgamingstore.com/products/r75-75-wired-gaming-keyboard?variant=45677461045469
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>>103348240
>75 keyboards without print screen
the worst meme
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>>103348253
>(QMK/VIA)
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>>103348240
Normally I would tell you to get the Aula F75, but the linux requirement means paying a bit extra for VIA support is well worth it.
As for that keyboad, I I think a 3 key nav cluster is retarded, especially for programing, so you should get the Keychron V1 instead (assuming your budget limit is around $60ish)
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>>103348381
My budget is $150. Are there better options? I would prefer something from a non-Chinese brand for security reasons. No, I'm not your average developer, and yes I have valid security concerns.
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I'm going to order the Gateron-made all-POM cherry browns... no idea whether they will be good or bad but I have to try them
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHiljbbCI74


Anything like this for not $500?
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>>103348421
Well Royal Kludge is also just selling rebranded Chinese stuff so that's not an option either. Even a lot of higher end stuff comes from China or has a Chinese PCB.
If security is a huge concern then the only thing I can think of is this, but reach out to them first to ask where their manufacturing is based.
https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/MINI_M
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>>103348653 (me)
I know that their manufacturing is based in Kentucky, but specifically ask about the pcb.
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>>103348421
If security is this important it might be easier to just learn how to inspect the pcb yourself.
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>>103348653
>>103348666
I'm fine if it's manufactured overseas, just as long as there's a credible western company headquarters to check if the factory is shipping out bugged shit.
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>>103348684
In that case just get something simple from Leopold or Filco
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Anyone have any suggestions for good mechanical macro keypads? I am looking for 4*5 or 5*5 (or slightly larger) ortholinear keypad with all standard sized keys that is relatively inexpensive (<$60 preferred). I would like it to be reprogrammable, preferably with something crossplatform like QMK. I intend to use it as a gamepad in conjunction with a MaxxStick keyboard joystick. The MAX FALCON-20 is almost perfect but requires a windows app to reprogram. Are there any other options that would fit my needs?
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>>103348790
Sorry, to be picky: are there any with a backlight? Also, would I be an idiot just to get this instead?

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/keyboards/mx-mechanical-mini.html
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>>103348977
It's missing a lot of modern features and you'll need a windows installation or jump through some software hoops if you ever want to reprogram it to add layers, but it does fit the requirements so it would work.
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>>103348157
Thanks, I will go with the cheaper one then. On Aliexpress it's a 20 difference
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Any recommendations on a soldering kit for small electronics? I've got 3 logitech mice I need to replace L/RMB switches on. Haven't soldered anything since... high school which was 15 years ago.

And yes, I'll camelcamelcamel to see if these are real prices or not.
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>ctrl-F
>keychron: 17 results

Alright im sold, looking at the V1 75% but need to know what are the most silent switches? I have a Razer 65% right not with clicky purple switches and theyre loud as hell. im tired of them but they feel pretty nice and tactile. Never had an issue with them besides the really loud noise they make. Are browns similar or bananas?
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>>103349402
>ZUOYA GMK26 looks good.
QMK/VIA is good but I would prefer all standard sized square keys. it is also sloped so it can't be used sideways.
>>103349402
>MAX FALCON is shit.
What is wrong with it? The reviews and specs seem good minus the software.
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>>103349575
meant for >>103349149
No clue what happened with the post numbers.
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How do I ungasket my prebuilt gasket board
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I want to give you a big reason why you should own two keyboards. I'm sure you probably own several, but if you're a minimalist who thinks you only need one, let me give you the reason why you should own two. So you can wash your keyboard and still have another keyboard ready to go while the other one is drying.
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>>103348684
Then unironically it sounds like you should get a Razer or something
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>>103349149
I'm looking for a Soldering kit as well. Anyone have any thoughts?
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>>103346282
I daily 62.5g switches (spring swapped MX Black)
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>>103349192
As for the switches, the Jupiter Banana has a heavier and earlier bump than the browns, so I think you'll like them more. They'll be a bit quieter than your clicky switches, but the noise is a different type of noise that's much less annoying, that's the important part.
And despite being a keychron shill, they don't actually pay me, so I might as well mention that since the Keychron V1 Max is $88, there are metal keyboards around that price range like the Womier SK75 and Bridge75 that are worth considering.
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>>103349684
swap them out for really hard gaskets
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>>103348645

old cherry g80s
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>>103349953
Many reasons why it's good to have a backup. Another is: you don't have to panic and run to the store if your keyboard stops working.
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>>103346202
Real knows real
F1-88, MX Black, GMK Handarbeit
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Just ordered MTNU Rascals. (None of the hideous novelties ofc)

It'll be my first Matt3o set and my first GMK set. I have a retro beige board it can go on, but I wonder if there is something better to do with it.
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What's the best budget mechanical keyboard for gaming?
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>>103350567
https://clickclack.io/collections/group-buying/products/upcoming-click-clack-x-kochi-hummingbird68-magnetic-switch-mechanical-keyboard-kit
HE not mechanical technically
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>>103350396
Post pics when you get 'em. Been wanting an MTNU set but there still aren't any with ergo kits yet.
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>>103350894
idk how long a wait I'm in for but I'll be sure to post something when I get em
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there is no reason to on more than 2 keyboards. one for work and one for personal/gaming/for showing off.
if you own more than 2 keyboards then you're a fag
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Travelling to Japan and wanted to pick up a HHKB. I work from home and it seemed comfy.

Am I making a reasonable choice?
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>>103350300
Handarbeit is one of those meme sets where it's obvious there's some keyboard history that it's making reference to, but it's really just an in-joke among hobbyists... I dislike this sort of thing, I think keycaps should look good first and foremost.
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what should i buy on aliexpress before sales is over?
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>>103351343
It just looks ugly as hell, piece of history or not.
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>>103347743
It has the exact same travel as a regular keyboard though. When I was playing MGS2 on my PS2 my buttons weren't 1 cm tall.
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I bought a hall effect switch kb just recently to test it out and try something new, and that shit is incredible. Increased my typing accuracy by a lot. Custom actuation points are a literal godsend. Set them all low, then raise up any groups of keys that don't press properly while typing until its all perfect. I can have the home row really deep, and backspace feather light, punctuation keys in the middle and all sorts of shit, its so kino.
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>>103351554
did you miss the part where he said low profile?
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>>103350103
is the metal less noisy than the plastic? I was thinking of getting the Keychron Max because it seems more solid and bluetooth seems like a nice way to have less cables on my desk.

I dont like the Womier or Bridge because they dont have the knob which i want to use to for volumes. I feel like recently Ive been changing the volume a lot because videos are all over the place on volume.
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>>103351554
Maybe some "speed" switches, but that's not the standard 4mm travel, so no they aren't the same.
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>>103351784
More than noise level the case material just changes the overall sound of a board, metal usually being higher pitched than plastics. Of course it's not really noticeable unless it's a much, much roomier case like vintage keyboards though. Most modern keyboards have foam stuff throughout them so they all sound largely the same, regardless of case material.
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Cream purple pros are so good. It's ridiculous.
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>>103351901
One of the newer 8bitdos with hall effect sticks I hope.
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>>103351901
This really should have just been a TKL, it would have looked nicer.
>>103351934
For just 10 bucks more the Vader 4 Pro is better.
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>>103351934
If you mean the controller yup.
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>>103351942
>This really should have just been a TKL, it would have looked nicer.
I like the layout, alos with their software you can set PgUp/PgDown on long press to Home/End so I don't miss the keys.
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The advantage of an aluminum keyboard is you stop resting your hands against the front edge because it's cold
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>>103351784
>knob
I think the V1 Max is your best option then. I could put together a good budget aluminium Leobog Hi75 build for about $80ish, but then you would lose VIA support which I think is more important.
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I think you should get this build
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>>103352063
What about wooden keebs
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>>103351942
>For just 10 bucks more the Vader 4 Pro is better.
Looks pretty good, though I'm pretty happy with the gulikit I have now.
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>>103352166
my desk is wood already I don't need more wood
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>>103352131
instead of regular dildo its better to get a waterproof dildo with vibrator. preferably with smooth shape, easier to clean. thank me later.
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>>103345827
nah senpai, you just plug the shit into the computer and press the buttons. rest is up to you.
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>>103352602
put a condom on it
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>>103351343
Handarbeit is referencing an old Cherry board, not sure about the in-joke thing. I use that set because I don't want to think of color pairings anymore since my keyboard has a black top and red bottom lmao.
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>>103352166
what kinds of caps are those? they seem more concave than the usual
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Are Gateron Oil Kings still the best linears?
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Still waiting for my Type-B and F1-8X v2...
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>>103346282
I'm a fucking retard, lol

They're not geteron yellow's, they're Outemu Cream Pros
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>>103351343
>>103353798
I pretty sure that it's a tech demo of Cherry's color capabilities at the time. I understand why someone would want to have a set for themselves, as it is kinda cool from a historical perspective, but I doubt that anyone would choose that colorway for it's own merits
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bump
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>>103354274
doesnt make it any better
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Any tips on scoring something good in an old PS/2? I've been cruising ebay of course but the algorithm seems to have a way of hiding what you're looking for until you've supplicated yourself by tunneling through suggested listings for an hour. What's worse is that the e-parts flippers have figured out "mechanical" is a buzzword and are applying it to anything old and remotely good, despite most of it being literally not. I'm guessing PS/2 is not available new

I'd like seperate function and nav keys like this, although I recognize most old stuff will also have a num pad. Should I just get a converter? Kind of annoying to route through a seperate box.
>>103350300
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>>103354274
never tried a cream pro but I know that when I briefly tried to use Jwick Taro switches I felt like it was beating up my fingers real bad, I switched back to Cherry Browns and am much happier
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Any black friday deals? I'd like a second keyboard just keep as a backup.
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>>103357673
If it really is just a backup keyboard that you'll rarely use? Get this $36 Aula F75.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006907892071.html
Don't believe me? Take a look at this review.
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Why is this aluminum 75% only $43? What's wrong with it? Anyone know?
https://keybay.tech/products/monka-a75-aluminum-mechanical-keyboard
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>>103357953
Chinese factories noticed that there was a market for mechanical keyboards with premium features, but the features don't need to be premium, you can keep costs down by mass producing stuff.
So now there are a ton of tri-mode aluminium gasket mounted keyboards out there. And since they're in-stock instead of being a group buy? Well... in-stock stuff goes on sale whenever you need to clear out stock.

Is anything wrong with it? It'll almost certainly be fine. The software looks a bit shit but it's perfectly functional from what I can see.
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>>103357953
Its no Norbauer, that's what.
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>>103358081
43 is still pretty low for full aluminum. You'd expect them to be able to clear stock at 50 or 60, no? I know the market was a bit saturated with 75% aluminum boards but people were hailing $80 pre-orders as fantastic deals, this one couldn't move units at $80 in-stock...

And that's in spite of it having five nav keys AND a knob, so you get pgup/down/home/end and delete, AND a knob. So it has one of the good 75% layouts. (No knob is even better, but knobs are popular.)

So either this board has something very wrong with it (other than the china firmware), or they didn't pay the right influencers to shill it. Maybe all it lacked was the Hipyotech endorsement. When I look it up on youtube I get Aula F75 "reviews" (ads) instead.
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>>103358221
>or they didn't pay the right influencers to shill it
This.
Well it's probably lower quality than Rainy75 adjacent boards, but it's at least equal to something like the Leobog Hi75 that sells very well between $40 - $60. I've done a bunch of research into cheap alu 75% boards and I've never heard of it, but there are plenty of keyboards out there like that. I bet you've never heard of the Inky75. No one has. It's just the Womier SK75. Identical. Same factory, same tooling, cheaper.
I think this keyboard is hurt mostly by it's name. If you search for A75 Keyboard then there are a bunch of other things out there. Stupid decision.
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I ordered some gateron switches off scamazon's BF sale and they don't ship until next year.
Wtf. Lol even.
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>>103358506
Scamazon has been enshittified so badly that I prefer Aliexpress for most things now
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>>103358555
Yeah I recently got an ali free return quickly refunded the day after I shipped it back out. It wasn't as bad as the spooky stories online.
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I like the keychron q1 pro with brown switches, but I want a full keyboard again. Tired of having to use an extra keypad to the side. Whats a good alternative that feels close to how this keyboard feels? I have a suspicion that due to the design of the steel plates and whatnot, it's difficult to find a 100% with a similar feel.
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>>103358767
>steel plates
I thought the Q1 Pro had a polycarb plate? If so then their Q6 Pro is probably the closest you can get. Something like the Galaxy100 or Monsgeek M5 are also gasket mounted with a polycarb plates, so they're probably similar as well.
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>>103358848
you're probably right. I couldnt remember what plate it was. I do use a Q6 pro at work but it's not the same. I got it cause I thought it would be. And I've went the Monsgeek route, but the keyboard ended up feeling sketchy once I put it all together.
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>>103358925
Hmm that's interesting that the Q6 feels different. I'm guessing it's got more flex because it's larger?
You could try adding stiffer gaskets, or maybe adding a little more foam to reduce flex.
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>>103358925
I was going to write up an answer but if you find the Q6 Pro feels very different than the Q1 Pro then I don't know what to recommend. In what way is it so different?
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>>103359089
Q6 feels off. Q1 Pro however feels so solid. Like my keyboard is hitting a stable board. Again I think it might just be the logistics of a smaller keyboard
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>>103359109
Then yes you should get stiffer material for the gaskets. I would look for something comparable in thickness to keychron's foam gaskets (a little smaller than 1/8in I think) that can be cut to size. You can buy sheets of silicone rubber and try that.

Also if the PC plate flexes too much you can buy an aluminum plate:
https://www.keychron.com/products/q6-pro-aluminum-plate
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>>103359109
I just ordered some 1/8in 60a silicone rubber to try out on my old V6 max. If you can wait a few days I'll let you know how well it did or didn't work and whether I'd recommend softer or stiffer. The v6 max is, as far as I know, quite similar to the Q6 pro, but if you want to double check just check whether your gaskets are 3mm thick and made of a soft foam material.

This whole discussion just reminded me that I'd wanted to change out the gaskets on that board ever since I got it. Might as well just do it.
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>>103358767
Q5 is nice. Never tried the Q1 tho
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>>103342099
I bought my first mechanical keyboard after using the stock lenovo cool membrane for ages.
I bought a Durgod K320 which I got new for £30.
Im suprised how good it is to be honest - especially for the price I paid.
Very epic.
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All I want is for keyboards to come with more indicator LEDs that I can program in QMK... is that so much to ask? And ideally they would also have little cutouts above them for inserting printed labels
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I bought a Logitech G413 SE recently and I like it. it's a very sharp looking keyboard and it's pretty cool how the letters are completely blank when the LED's are turned off

I only have one tiny little knitpick. When I use my KVM switch to switch my mouse and keyboard over to my other computer, the keyboard does the power-on flourish where the LED's do a wave animation across the keys from left to right and then goes into the default "LED's on" state. I wish it had a memory of which LED mode it was in or had a physical switch to keep them turned off.
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Are the silicon wrist rests from Keychron and Wooting good? I need one for a new TKL and have only ever used 3M gel rests.
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>>103360595
I like the one from Wooting because it has the most depth/width out of most wrist rests I've looked at. That made playing some emulated games and 2D games on my keyboard way nicer.
Also just makes it easier for me to lay my hands and fingers a bit more flat while on home row instead of curled up, like the "dead spider" or w/e pic another anon usually posts on these threads, since I have more width to rest my palms on. It's slightly warped a bit since I've had it, but nothing too major.
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I have a TKL keyboard. How many switches do I need?

Is 90 enough or should I buy 100?
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>>103360717
87, maybe 88 if they get fancy
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>>103360755
Yes, but is it wise to have 12 replacement switches?
I am going to buy some Boba U4T and they are available in 10 piece bags.
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Help me decide please!

Should I go for the 62g or 68g version?
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>>103360936
I'd suggest 68g. It's a nice medium weighting for a switch with a big tactile bump like that.
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Any good/cheap upgrade for my royal kludge r75? I mostly do gayman, so light would be good. Must have F1-F12 keys.
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>>103361034
I'd consider the SK75 to be a reasonable upgrade. That'll give you VIA support and a nicer metal case.
Also look into the Bridge75 and Rainy75 to see if you can get one cheaper than the SK75, depends where you live. Just pick whatever of the three is cheaper.
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>>103351129
Are you going to be near tokyo? There's a mech keyboard store named yushakobo. They sell HHKBs if you want to touch one in person first.
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>>103361619
I'll check them out, thanks anon.
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>>103360769
I've heard of U4Ts dying (from other anons in this thread) so a few extra isn't a bad idea
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>>103361857
>I've heard of U4Ts dying (from other anons in this thread)
W-what. Nooo...
I thought they are good quality and last forever...
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Any recommendations for a low profile keyboard?
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>>103361885
I recommend not getting one because they're gay
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>>103361857
For what it's worth I've been using U4Ts for a few years now and haven't had issues with any of them.
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>>103361877
It's just too early to be saying that. Maybe in five years' time we'll hear about all the happy buyers whose u4ts never failed. Until then you have to accept some uncertainty.
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>>103361877
I'm convinced that some people here are doing insane things to their switches, like pulling them out and chewing on them. They show up and claim that they've got 12 dead switches in a month or something, I just can't imaging that happening.
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Want to get my bro and wife new keyboards for xmas and they're both interested in mechanical keyboards but I'm a scissor switch pleb.

>Budget
Cheapest decent keyboard
>Location (continent at least)
Australia

>Preferred switch type
Bro plays vidya so probably browns or reds for him.
Wife specifically likes blues.

>Layout
ANSI and I don't think any of the other things matter.
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>>103362273
Any cheap Keychron. Take your pick.
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>>103362273
>Actual cheapest
You can't beat this
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006907892071.html
The linear switches that it'll come with stock are fine for your brother, buy some clicky switches and swap them out for your wife. A clicky enjoyer here can probably give better advice, but grabbing something like box navy switches could be interesting.
>A bit nicer
The three keyboards mentioned here look like they cost a lot more than they actually do >>103361619
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>>103362273
you should get them some stacked acrylic boards from Cafege, a bunch of extra tadpoles of different stiffness, three sets of switches (cherry mx2a brown, gateron melodics, and cherry nixies —all available at cafege as well), and two sets of discounted beige JC Studio arabic keycaps (from cafege). Get a TKL and an f-row-less 1800. Let them decide who wants which board and which switches. If you really want to wow them, a good keyboard-specific screwdriver set (like the Geon x Nanch one at cafege) makes disassembly and reassembly a breeze. But it's not necessary.

Last thing you need is stabs. Best thing out there, the exact thing Blacksimon recommends, is cherry clip-ins, and—if you can find them—the wires made by C3 (because they fit a little more snug and rattle a little less). And you're not going to believe this, but both of those are available also at cafege dot com dot au.

Amazingly all this (minus the screwdriver set) will only run you $713.65 AUD plus shipping and tax. And you'll need lube.

Also, you can solder, right?
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>>103362273
>>103362301
Yeah I would not recommend Box Navies unless you know she slams the shit out of her keys while typing. I'd play it safer and get Box Pinks probably, or Arctic Fox. Budget clickies would be probably Outem Spring Breeze, but they are LOUD.
On a side note IDK why I've seen people and recordings saying OTM Spring Breeze are more quiet than MX Blues, I have those on hand too and they are easily louder than Cherry's offering, or at least so high pitch compared to Blues they register like that to my ears.
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>>103362903
>even higher pitched than mx blues
Jesus christ how horrifying.
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>>103362928
I don't mind them, and they aren't as rattly as MX Blues, but still. Don't know why I saw some people act like they're quieter. I'd still go for probably Box Pinks, Arctic Fox are a favorite of mine but they are on the louder side.
Here are those Outemu Spring Breeze in a Monsgeek M5W, excuse the background noise as my PC was very, very dirty.

https://vocaroo.com/1brpjalRvcp7
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>>103362987
Ok yea that's not as bad as I was expecting. Regular outemu blues are still the king of annoying high pitched clickies as far as I've heard.
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>>103363001
Yeah, though I honestly don't mind MX Blues either. Maybe some of that comes from using headphones regularly so it takes the edge off of most of the sound around me, but I also know and have heard worse switches.
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>buy the 8bitdo TKL and numpad
>crack the TKL open and epoxy some little neodymium magnets to the inside of the shell because the NES model doesn't come with the magnetic attachment system for the numpad the Model M and Commodore 64 models do
>Windows doesn't recognize separate numpads when holding Alt for codes which is annoying
>8bitdo releases a proper full-size version of the keyboard I wanted months after buying and modifying the separate version
>can't justify the purchase
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>>103363862
this made me check their website and I don't see that one but I do see the xbox translucent green one... s○yfacing rn
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>>103364084
Oh shit I had no idea they had a new Xbox themed keyboard and mouse set. I'm pretty impressed by that mouse going by its specs, they learned their lesson from that novelty one shaped like a NES controller.
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>>103364084
https://www.8bitdo.com/retro-108-mechanical-keyboard/
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>>103363862
>crack the TKL open and epoxy some little neodymium magnets to the inside of the shell because the NES model doesn't come with the magnetic attachment system for the numpad the Model M and Commodore 64 models do
I could have sworn someone said the NES/Famicom models would eventually get the magnet stuff in them, guess they maybe didn't do that now?
>8bitdo releases a proper full-size version of the keyboard I wanted months after buying and modifying the separate version
That is actually kinda cool news, shame it seems to only use its own proprietary software instead of VIA or QMK, but for the price.
Also a real shame the full size version doesn't have the built-in calculator, guess we'll never truly get anything like the ol' Focus boards...
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>>103364609
>I could have sworn someone said the NES/Famicom models would eventually get the magnet stuff in them
I would have guessed so too since the NES and Famicom models sell out the fastest and go on fire-sales the most often, but guess they don't want to do a model refresh and this is their compromise.
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>>103364084
>xbox
>retro
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I love this.
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Any recommendations on lubrication stations / boards? Maybe even full kits with openers, pens...

This board got me hooked, now I wanna try out quite a few keyboard setups and I'll probably be spending quite a bit of time changing switches and lubing them.
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>>103365301
I've lubed thousands of switches and never needed a lube station, just the tools like switch openers and brushes.
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>>103365305
Okay can you recommend some tools then? And best practices?
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>>103365329
Just watch taeha's tutorial vid on lubing, it's more or less the same as what I do.
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>>103349149
TS-101 is a nice soldering iron.
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i do not like how thick the edges are on the V series Keychron boards. Makes it hard rest my palm on left ctrl
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>Budget
Ideally around 150 bucks, maybe a bit more if there's a model fitting all the requirements
>Location (continent at least)
EU, Frogland
>Preferred switch type
I don't know yet, ideally something standard enough if I need to replace switches or keys
>Layout
ISO-FR (or anything ISO at least, then I can change the layout if needed)
>Form factor
100%, 98% or 96%.
>Backlight
Why not, but I probably won't use it much because I want it to be wireless. Would be cool still.
>Previous/current keyboards
Some office membrane wireless Microsoft and Logitech KBs that lasted me both for a decade each, and they still work, they just don't want to die
>Other requirements
Ideally QMK/VIA, and the wireless should feature both 2.4Ghz and Bluetooth connections. Battery at least 4000 mAh, and that's already too anemic. I can replace the battery myself with a bigger one if there's enough space in the casing.

It's Black Friday time, so maybe I should jump in. What are some good models/brands I should look for? I know Keychron "Max" models can fit the bill, not sure which one would the best, but any other brands I should look for?
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>>103365114
>xbox
23 years anon. If amiga felt retro in 2010, then xbox is kinda retro today
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>>103365807
>I know Keychron "Max" models can fit the bill, not sure which one would the best
Max versions of V6, K5 and K10 tick all the boxes. V6 and K10 are normal height, and the K5 is low profile. K10 and V6 are fairly similar; K10 is perhaps a bit more substantial, while V6 has gasket mount and is quite a bit lighter. There are 96% variants like V5, but I'm not sure if all of them have ISO versions yet. Keychron websites are a bit of a nightmare to browse through, but you should check local EU sites for availability. V6 max seems to be available in .fr site:
https://keychron.fr/products/keychron-v6-max-qmk-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard-iso-layout-collection

but any other brands I should look for?
The form factors and ISO-layout limits your options with the "cheap Chinese" boards, as does the wireless requirement. The gaming oriented boards available in the EU tend to be just plain bad value, but if you find something dirt cheap...
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bought a keychron v5 almost 2 years ago and I fucking hate it
not a day goes by where I curse this shit keyboard
just wanted to tell you guys this (no, I will not pay the price of a a new keyboard to "hotswap" or whatever the fuck)
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>>103367938
ok
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whats the closest thing to a ducky zero dk2108 currently on the market? i like the minimalism in the frame and the low height of it
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>>103361923
how are your fingers? three years of heavy tactiles... I bet they're so desensitized you can't even feel an mx brown bump anymore
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i just bought epomaker aula f99, with durock l5 switches and durock l7 78g for the keys with stabilizers and xda retro apple keycaps
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>>103365713
Why the hell are you doing that to begin with?
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>>103369223

i get a point of reference for where the keys are on the board so i can type better. using pinky curled up to hit ctrl is also painful
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>>103365329
>>103365301
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09NY7NS99
This is a decent all-in-one kit, cheap + comes with a switch opener and brushes and has a carrying tin.
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>>103368237
Any Keychron V board.
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>>103369411
V stands for Virgin
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>>103369814
Virgin website.
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bump... this hobby is too important to let the thread die
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>>103371500
>selling half a keyboard for $200+

sti[stupid hobby
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I wanna swap the switches on my oldest soldered PCB keyboard but I don't wanna fuck it up.
I also don't want to end up desoldering it if I regret swapping cherry reds for gateron crystal purples.

I found an RK61 for $10 at a bin store and it feels so much nicer to type on than my cherry red board.
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>>103371605
Turn it into a hotswap keyboard.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007348633397.html
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>>103368821
Despite the memes the bump on mx browns is still something you can feel. It's just so pathetic compared to switches that are actually tactile.
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>>103371605
seconding, buy and solder in mill-max sockets
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>>103372068
No shit. Do you know what "desensitized" means?
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>>103372619
Nigga I'm telling you that it hasn't happened. MX brown's tactile bump feels the same as it always has to me; pathetically small.
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>>103372634
shiieieieet my nigga! why didnt yo ass say "I" then. why u b sayin "you can feel it" if u talmbout yosef niggaaaa
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>>103371605
>>103372060
>>103372209
NTA but this makes me think, I have an old dysfunctional Logitech G613 laying around, maybe I could recycle its body with the things you linked, or by replacing the PCB with another one + they switches I want? Did you guys ever do something like that?
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>>103372950
Would be a lot more work (and probably more expensive) than simply building a new board.
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>>103372950
Only worth doing if you want a cool project to work on, finding a pcb that'll fit will probably be a pain since I'd bet a lot of money that it's not a standard pcb layout.
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I boughted bros.
I redeemed.

Tell me how much I fucked up.
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>>103374139
Not at all.
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>>103374139
not in the slightest, U4T are still king of tactile switches, pretty much everything since then has been copying the U4T and U4. it's to the point nobody really gives a shit about holy panda anymore even if U4T are still a "holy panda style" tactile switch
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>>103374139
>he fell for the meme
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bump
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HOW DO I FIX MY TYPE-S HHKB'S RATTLY LOUD SPACEBAR? IT KIND OF DEFEATS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE WHEN 59/60 KEYS ARE NICE AND 30 - 40dB BUT ONE KEY IS LOUDER THAN AN MX BLUE

WHY DID I BUY THIS
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>>103376094
I would expect that the solution involves lubing a stabilizer, same as a rattling cherry spacebar
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>multiple very fine $200 options for 75% right now
>that's the price point for me but I'm not a 75% enjoyer
>every 75%er who comes into the thread thinks that's "too expensive", either wants aliexpress bargain boards with knobs or already bought a Keychron and just popped in to tell us
Painful fucking hobby. I just occasionally want to hear some newbie say "I wasn't expecting to spend $200 just for a barebones, but that's cool how they put a big brass piece in there just to make it sound nicer, and it looks real slick... maybe I'll buy this instead of the Aula F75 that some youtube fag shilled me"
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>>103376236
is there a way to do it without disassembling the keyboard and fucking up the factory alignment of the domes on the PCB?
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>>103376332
No. I've never owned a topre board, I don't know what the likelihood of "fucking up" the domes is, but I know that topre owners do open their boards and lube their stabs.
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>>103372950
how did you manage to switch from Romer G to something else? everything execpt Romer g triggers my RSI, I am living in Romer G Stockholm syndrome, logitech got me by the balls and it looks like they are not going to make new boards with that switch
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Can someone with qmk please compile and upload a default keymap .bin file for the yr6095?https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/yandrstudio/yr6095
The qmk configurator bin I make doesn't work.
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>>103374139
>>103374271
Gazzew switches are just overpriced outemus and the same thing can be had for half the price
>>103376321
There is the Neo75 and Neo generally sells very well. The Pt.1/75 looks nicer but tkd always makes stupid choices like lack of hotswap layout support or in this case, having internal weights that could be used as battery compartments with very little adjustment, but then not offering a wireless version
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Is there anything like the Aula F75 but full size with numpad?
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>>103376321
Why would people who don’t even know what sound they like waste a bunch of money on a keyboard to make it sound better?
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What are the advantages of box switches over regular ones? I don't see that many box-type variants so are they bad or just unpopular?
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>>103378769
Box as in kailh box or a dustproof stem?
Kailh box has different internals with the contact leaf inside a little box, which supposedly makes them water resistant.
Dustproof stems are supposed to reduce the gap between keycap mounting point and switch stem TK prevent dust from getting into the switch. The extra material can reduce felt wobble by preventing the stem from tilting, but that's not always the case. I think they're less popular because people think they're ugly or something stupid like that. There may also be more contact between stem and housing.
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>>103378506
Aula F99 of course
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>>103374317
>>he fell for the meme
I knew it...
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Is a perixx 535 a decent ergo keyboard for someone who just wants to buy something slightly better than a $10 keyboard for their hands without going full autism or needing to learn new layouts?

Mostly for programming/office work, most of my games these days I just play on an xbox joystick.
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>>103378487
>and the same thing can be had for half the price
Sure niggy point me to it, closest I've found to the same thing is MMD Princess tactiles and those aren't made as well.
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>>103378487
>stupid choices like lack of hotswap layout support or in this case, having internal weights that could be used as battery compartments with very little adjustment, but then not offering a wireless version
Hotswap is for tards and normies anyway, who cares. As for the second "stupid choice" it's actually a based choice
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>>103378769
They are designed to prevent dust getting into the housing. They're less popular because they tend to sound a little flimsier—I don't know if that's true but it's the popular perception.
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>>103376321
whats ur beef with aula keyboards?
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>>103378510
Why would people who don't even know what sound they like buy the first thing a YouTuber shills them? Shouldn't they do their research first?

My first intro to this hobby was being gaslit by Hipyotech about how "good" and "thocky" china foam boards sounded, and I felt like I was going crazy being told all these disgusting asmr tape-mod tranny boards "sounded good". Then I discovered Taeha and Cucksimon and sanity
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>>103380081
>MMD Princess tactiles
Those are bsuns, retard. Within two minutes on aliexpress, I found outemu tom and maple leaf for non-silent and outemu cream yellow and yellow jade (updated version) for silent. They are by the same manufacturer and have the same bump as bobas. Most akko switches are outemus too, so they probably also have equivalents.
>>103380447
Both of those are stupid choices because the target demographic of 75s is more likely going to want those features. Hotswap PCB options outsell solder probably nine to one anyway, so catering to elitists that aren't going to buy your board in the first place is bad for business. QK/Neo understands that and is offering as many options as possible at a good price, and are outcompeting everyone else.
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>>103380447
Still new here, if you can't hotswap, how are you supposed to change switches?

Also I see "Solder" and "Hotswap" option on some PCBs, what does that mean? Other than than (for some reason) one being able to do ISO and the other is for ANSIW0JN
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>>103381011
>if you can't hotswap, how are you supposed to change switches?
You desolder the old switches, pull them out, insert new ones, and solder the pins.
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>>103381004
Yeah but half the hotswap noobs want normie layout anyway
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>>103381011
Good hotswap pcbs can have pretty much the same layout support as solder, and it's a nice quality of life feature. Reasons people go solder are that they enjoy soldering (valid) or that they thing it makes them better than "hotswap normies" (stupid) or that there is a sound difference (it's indistinguishable in most cases).
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>>103381081
>the only valid reason to prefer solder is that you "enjoy soldering"
You really don't get it
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>>103381033
They don't, almost all cycle7 or neo80 builds I've seen use tsangan and are hotswap. People get these kinds of boards because they want something of high quality at a somewhat affordable price, not because they jerk themselves of to being keyboard enthusiasts.
>>103381139
I get that there's a hobbyist appeal to soldering a keyboard, but I don't get being up your own ass about it.
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has anyone used the AJAZZ AK992?
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>>103381195
Reminder that alcoholicsimon demolished all the hotswap apologists already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbvXtrUbY5c&t=10884s

"There's no reason to care whether your switches are actually firmly welded in place with solder, being seated in a socket is just as good" - fucking retards
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>>103381219
That was a design issue with the plate, which the designer addressed. Doesn't demolish anything.
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>>103381004
>Those are bsuns, retard.
This means literally nothing to me
>outemu tom
>non-silent
Everything I can find lists it as a silenced switch
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>>103381271
>This means literally nothing to me
Bsun is a manufacturer, like cherry, gateron, or outemu. Gazzew and MMD are brands, which sell outemu and bsun manufactured switches, respectively. Akko is also a brand that used to sell ktt, now most of their lineup is outemu and some hmx.
>Everything I can find lists it as a silenced switch
Could be, then it's another silent boba equivalent. Out of akkos current lineup, there's one called creamy purple pro, which is non-silent.
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>>103345245
it's $35 on swagkeys though
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>>103381258
Hmm that's interesting that the fit in the plate needs to be extremely tight and perfect, luckily no board ever ships with plates that are too loose and no major switch brand ever is a little too small on the housings. I guess the only reason to buy solder pcbs is if you like soldering!
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>>103351343
>>103351484
>>103354329
have some mirth in your lives you BoW sourpusses
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>>103381413
the english version is sold out, only japanese available. also the prices are in usd, so the exchange rate, as well as shipping/handling would make it more expensive than $35.
from ali it was pricy, but its still something that i like
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>>103381457
oh fair enough then. enjoy your keycaps bwo.
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>>103381004
>cream yellow and yellow jade
These things are so squishy that they’re just slightly above good membrane keyboards
I only recommend them to people who want budget silent switches, they shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as any other decent mechanical switch.
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is the aula still a good deal?
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>>103381430
Or you could just buy a properly designed keyboard instead of spending hundreds on a faulty product. What're you on about anyway? Just build your keyboard the way you like and maybe listen to that Simon guy a little less, he obviously has his biases.
>>103381491
Same silencing pads as boba u4s.
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>>103381532
why would it not be?
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>>103381700
>f75
>$50
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>>103381588
I've never bought Boba U4s because I'm not interested in that type of switch, but I'd be shocked if they felt as mushy as silent cream yellows.
>>103381532
It's a good deal if you can get it on aliexpress for about $40, otherwise I'd be recomending something else.
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>>103381906
i dont get it
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>>103376321
A newbie can make their $20 plastic keyboard sound and feel good with a few mods and with some decent switches.
Expensive keyboards don't sound better, they just sound different. If someone their cheap plastic keyboard then they can come back here with a larger budget and get some new recommendations, but most people at that point don't need our recommendations anymore. By telling them to get a Keychron or something you're already setting them down the path to getting into keyboards.
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>>103381978
>as mushy as silent cream yellows
All of outemu's silent switches feel that mushy, same soft silicone pads.
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>>103382342
If that's true then I'm glad I got the silent cream yellows for my cheap work keyboard instead of going for the U4s.
I'm considering an upgrade soon though, probably one of the haimu or lichicx silents instead.
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>>103381978
i only see it for $50 now. what would you recommend instead?
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you guys want some chocolate?
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>>103382411
It's on sale here for $36.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006907892071.html
The next step up for me would be a $40 Leobog Hi75 with some $10 Womier keycaps and some $10 Princess switches.
>>103382564
Only if you've got an ISO enter piece.
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>>103382402
I'd go with lichicx, best silent switches on the market. Lichicx just went out of business but theyr production line was bought by a company named wekt or something, so maybe they'll keep being produced. Haimus aren't great in my experience.
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Tried cutting some silicone rubber gaskets for my keychron today. Harder than I expected. As it turns out, 1/8in is not thick enough. I'd measured one of the top gaskets, not the bottom. Oops lol. But I laid the old poron gaskets on top of them and the result is reasonably stiff.

The plate + pcb still has a lot of flex because it's thin polycarbonate. So to the anon who doesn't love his Q6 Pro I'd say the answer is to buy an aluminum plate. If you do decide to try to make new gaskets, go for something thicker than 3mm.

I'm surprised nobody sells third party gaskets for Keychron boards. You'd think there'd be a market for that.
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is the stuff from aliexpress the same as you’d get from US stores, or am I gonna get chinked?
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>>103383069
what stuff specifically?
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>>103383069
If the product is typically made in China then you should buy it on Aliexpress. You'll get a good deal and you won't get chinked.
Other than keyboards I've also got some pretty nice bags and leather watch straps from aliexpress, I also know they do good IEMs if you know what to buy. Nerds from any hobby will be able to tell you what's a good deal on aliexpress and what's dogshit.
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>>103383186
I want an ortholinear 48 key board, but this one says it has 40 keys while the pictures show 48… I’m gonna get chinked
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>>103383265
I just found this on AliExpress: £44.59 | CSTC40 40 RGB 40% hot Swappable Mechanical Keyboard PCB Programmed VIA VIAL software Macro Firmware rgb switch type c planck
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHaXRIu
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my old ducky one 2 mini is finally shitting the bed. thinking about buying a keychron q5 max. worth it?
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>you lived to see group buys go extinct
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>>103383329
The Q5 isn't a bad choice, but there are some other options out there.
>Same price the Q5 Max
Qwertykeys QK100 + some budget switches and keycaps. I'd get some $10 aliexpress womier keycaps, as for cheap switches my favourites would be mint blizzard, princess mmd or holy panda clones. The whole thing would be about $200.
>Cheaper
I feel a bit gross telling you to buy epomaker stuff, but you can get the epomaker version of the Galaxy100 for about $100 and it'll give you a fully aluminum case plus QMK/VIA support.
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>>103383265
>>103383280
As far as I can see, it doesn't say anything about having 40 keys, they're just calling it a 40% keyboard, and kpepublic has been reliable for me, at least when buying switches. It's a very basic tray mont plastic case, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it, and I can't imagine there being many options for ortho.
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Any know of any side facing ISO PBT keycaps?
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keychron q11, transparent keycaps, cherry mx2a speed silver switches, rbgkb tent kit
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>>103383329
there are some better options. e.g.
https://cannonkeys.com/products/brutal-v2-1800-keyboard
or the already-mentioned QK100, or a Luminkey98

Keychron's ok, but you don't get any layout options, you don't get intelligent gasket placement, etc. And I don't like Keychron's switch offerings much. Their keycaps are high quality but the colors don't match the boards very well imo.
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>want new key caps
>check out what AliExpress is on
>find cute set
>$2-6
there's no way that isn't a scam, right?
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>>103383712
if it's not a scam they are going to be so disappointing that it might as well have been
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>>103383718
probably uses that same cheap plastic from knockoff products, or those old ibm keyboards
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>>103383735
IBM model m keycaps are actually very good, what are you talking about?
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>>103383735
>cheap plastic
Plastic itself is almost always cheap. Good keycaps are made from cheap plastic. The expensive part is everything else.
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>>103383772
I'm referring to the ones from way back in the day. though I probably used something that was a bit different.
>>103383794
well everything about mechanical keyboards are quite expensive. atleast the customizable ones I've been looking at.

and I figured that a usual set of key caps would at least cost in the $20 to $40 price range. I'm still somewhat new to the whole scene.
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>>103383831
IBM caps only get better and better the farther back you go...
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>>103383712
If it's dyesub then it's probably fine, maybe.
if it's doubleshot then it's probably disgusting.
If they're mass produced doubleshot designed by a company for a keyboard that they also sell (example, womier keycaps) then they'll be fine.
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>>103383601
these are really good keycaps
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Holy shit keyboard buyers are absolute jewish. Not a single msg, just a bunch of dudes waiting for a price drop.
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>>103384381
A lot of them from the third world
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be aware that the Keychron K8 no longer functions under Wayland. "Apple" driver only recognises the keyboard under X11. Happened 4 months ago
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>>103384613
>>103384381
all me btw
waiting for that $5 worth of sales
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>>103384381
One of the most annoying things to me is people just not even willing to haggle. Or those that ask about the item then just ghost you.
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I was kind of interested in these, but not much anymore.
This is why you never trust manufacturer specs. Kailh themselves list the tactile force for these switches being "70g", then in reality it's almost 15g higher. This tactile drop is insane too, it's nearly the same as Zeal Clickiez at around 40ish grams of difference.
I'd really love if all these damn companies could just get some damn force measuring setups like these already and post their results publicly. They make more than enough money for it and you really only need one, MAYBE two.
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>>103383831
>I figured that a usual set of key caps would at least cost in the $20 to $40 price range
They should, yes. Any less than that and I'd suspect an incomplete set or serious defects
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>>103385445
Looks like a recolored box jade, maybe with a slightly different spring.
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>>103385518
Funny you say that as I just looked at their force curve and yes, they are almost the exact same. So close that I would say that's just the variance between any given Jade. They basically are the same internals, just put into a recolored stem and POM housing instead.
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>>103351129
yes good choice and good idea.
desu, look on japanese yahoo auction and see if you can find a shop or seller and go pick a secondhand one up in person it'll be much cheaper. while you are there you can even find some vintage topre boards or hipro keycaps. go visit the topre factory kek. best keyboard you'll have owned so far. if you get an older model ho with the charcoal/black colorway, the old white ones are made with abs and prone to yellowing (unless you like that aesthetic)
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>>103365807
I have the same requirements and just ordered a v5 max with gateron jupiter browns + faux retro gray side printed shine through keycaps from aliexpress and a wooden palm rest for a total of $140 or so
Only thing it lacks is hiragana on top of the caps, so I might get other ones further on
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>>103383601
>... nice rig anon, but can you keep up with it?

won't all that glow get distracting?
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>>103383712
That price might be for a smaller subset, check the selection
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>>103383921
Doesn't dyesub wear off with time?
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>>103386553
No. Shittily done dyesub may have its dye bleed and appear blurry over time (at least one anon with Ducky dye subs had this happen) but that's rarely a concern.
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>>103386562
HM, maybe you could varnish caps just to be sure?
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>>103386967
>>103386967
next thread
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anyone know if the battery on my keychron k8 pro will get fucked by leaving the wire/charger in? havent bought a bluetooth receiver for my desktop yet, so using the usb c connector. btw, thanks to the guy who recommended me the K8 pro, i love it



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