It's not that Linux is "hard", it's that it's tedious and a waste of time.>buy a Macbook>get a preinstalled operating system that just werks>doesn't fault>has everything I will ever need already preinstalled for me>if I want to install other things, they just werkBut with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting" or "so now an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file located in some hidden file location". I don't have time for that. Every minute spent troubleshooting my install is one less minute I can spend actually being productive and enjoying my life. I don't mind using the terminal, in fact I use it to automate many of my tasks. But why would I enjoy wasting my time troubleshooting?It's just a waste of time and what am I getting out of it?>a slower, buggier, more crash-prone system>no professional software>no actual warranty or support if linux decides to break my install one day>have to wait literal years of my life to see new cutting edge features that get put into MacOS every year never make it into linuxWhy would I put up with this? So I can post fetch screenshots? So I can LARP as Mr. Robot when my kernel is developed by a literal PRISM member?It feels like Linux is one big joke. Linux users create memes to brainwash people into believing there's a point to using their faulty OS, then they offer the faulty OS as a solution.
>>103367575>Why would I put up with this? So I can post fetch screenshots?no so that you can use opencl or cuda.or so that you have a working sed, among many others
it's my penis is hard
>>103367575ntm you can install neofetch on mactrash mongoloid retard nocodeshitter
>>103367575does your Dad know you're gay?
>>103367575it used to be great, back when i had dialup i ordered debian cd's in the mail and everything did "just work". Updates were small and reliable, overhead compared to windows was great, and I was using a system with 512mb ram until the flashpocalypse. Could not get debian to work correctly on an A1502, tried again when i upgraded to a ryzen powered hp, still a bunch of fucking problems with no solutions. Tried to install debian on a 7490, didnt have iwlwifi package and didnt detect the ethernet adapter, so the install decided not to install the entire fucking network stack. Debian is supposed to be *the* 'it just works' operating system, this is unacceptable, and gnome/kde are fatter than windows when you finish stripping an ltsc install. It's a fucking headache and the community has done everything to turn new users away. The 'year of linux' is another decade away every year at this rate.
>>103367575>>103367610>>103367619>>103367627>>103367744>>103367789chorbo M-M-M-M-MOGS opus doe
>>103367837>>>/pol/
>>103367800wtf is even a chorbo?i write kernels my niggeri need opencl/cuda and at least one discrete gpu to do my job
i cant take developers who use macbooks out of all things seriously. not even the mac screen thing. whp are you trying to fool. what kind of work can you get done on that tiny screen. yeah you can unscrew a nut with pliers i guess but then youd be wasting more time that way than "troubleshooting" linux. Which has gotten easier as time goes on.
>>103367575have you considered mutilating your own genitals?
>>103367575I use Devuan and it just works. You know after I configured it alot. But for me it has far less problems for me than Windows ever had.
>>103367575Why do you have images of 14 year old girls saved on your computer? Is this the anti-linux opposition?
>>103368168>14>has dimplesbut hey most people age like shit these days so who knows
>>103368168OUT OF 10
>>103367575>it's that it's tedious and a waste of time.how is using the terminal tedious and a waste of time? it's the more efficient and not a waste of time. it's how computers should be ideally used.>>has everything I will ever need already preinstalled for meok NPC-tier basic user.OP is a faggot because he can't pick a proper distro and whines about drivers.
>whole post is clearly either applel shill or skill issueI've been using Linux for 30 years and the majority of the issues people parrot on this board outside of /FLGT/ is shit that hasn't been true in nearly a decade. e.g. >arch breaksno. it doesn't. did it break back in like 2015? sometimes. it was on the user to check the news on the arch website because on occasion a specific file would need to be deleted manually for package upgrades to work properly, and this was entirely because automating that kind of task could lead to the wrong files being deleted. sometimes, if a user didn't update their repos as part of the upgrade process they'd end up pulling a gpu driver that's new, but not the kernel update necessary for the gpu driver to work and Xorg would break. back before UEFI, grub updates would sometimes fail. none of these issues are problems today. >desktop tearing, GPU drivers hard to install, etcusually the tearing is fixed by adding a compositor, and GPU driver installation has never been easier. these were issues 10+ years ago>text looks awfulnot anymore it doesn't. if your text looks shitty, you did something yourself to fuck it up. almost every distro has a sane fontconfig setup by default now.most distros come with an "app store" gui so installing software is a breeze. tl;dr unless you're a ricerfag or use a stupid meme distro with a retarded wm instead of a decent DE with sane default settings, running desktop Linux is barely any different than running Windows or macOS, except for the fact that Linux is more versatile and CAN do so much more than the alternatives.
>>103368168>>103368178>>103368280big child fan here
Apple is garbage and everything it does is done 180 degrees in the opposite direction that it needs to be just so it can lock people into only being able to do things their way. It is also more expensive than it has any right to be, all so it can say it's a luxury brand.I need a tool that works, not a brick that frustrates me every step of the way.
>>103367575>buy a Macbook>can't run most games on steam>can't upgrade your RAM>scans all your files by default>impossible to repair>ARM based so can't install most distros>warranty support costs more than the fucking macbook itself>troubleshooting boils down to "just reinstall bro">but i can larp on 4chan about how easy it is to useGet off this board
>>103368786
>>103368830Apple websitehttps://desuarchive.org/g/thread/82105896/#q82107781seethe linjeet
>>103368873>mac mininot a macbookalso are we not talking about desktop usage? also why the fuck would i care about what 4chan is hosted on? This entire post is talking about desktop usageMy point still stands
>>103368873DILATE THIS
>>103367575>It's not that Linux is "hard"it actually is
>Update linux and ethernet stops workingi know its the fault of the ethernet port company for not updating their drivers fast enough but this is goofy
>>103372009if loonix is so good why did it "fix" what wasnt broken to be incompatible with a driver that just worked?why are tinkertrannies like this?how in the fuck was this ever the OEM's fault?what mental disability does someone have to have to come to that conclusion?
>>103372074really made me think
I really enjoyed my time as a Mint user. Unfortunately, one day I started having audio issues (sound coming out from both the speakers and headphones). I'm too stupid to try and fix it, and switching to another distro didn't solve the issue. Now I'm running Windows 11, but I wish I wasn't.
>>103367575I just want an OS that doesn't spy on me. That is all.
Jay
theres literally no reason to use linux or learn it unless you work on servers
>>103374882It's fun, until you have no idea how to fix something
>filenameYou stole that trick from me.
>>103367575>drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driverThis is mostly a Windows issue. Almost never happens on Linux (unless you use Nvidia, but even then, it's still relatively rare). Never happens on Macs.>an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config fileYet another predominantly Windows issue. Though it can occasionally happen on Linux and Macs, it happens orders of magnitude more on Windows.>Every minute spent troubleshooting my installThis is a non issue on the vast majority of non-rolling release distributions, so long as you don't make retarded changes to your system (the same goes for Windows and Mac OS).>slower, buggier, more crash-prone systemMost Linux distributions offer significantly better performance than Windows and Mac OS.>no professional softwareThis is an idiotic and overly broad statement. Lots of "professional" software runs just fine on Linux.>warrantyKYS>linux decides to break my install one day99% of the time this is pebcac, much like with Windows and Max OS.>have to wait literal years of my life to see new cutting edge featuresThis is just wildly untrue.3/10 bait.
>>103372074DILATE THIS
>>103367575because apple computers are over priced.You build a pc to similar specs are mac pro and it would be cheaper.
>>103377436When you buy Apple you're buying more than just hardware.
>>103367575Except I'm a software dev and I fuck around with software in my spare time so it isn't plug and play.>Buy a Mac>"Unix compliant" because they bought the certification>The version of Bash installed is older than my grandma>Have to install Homebrew and a shit ton of half maintained packages to get anything resembling a dev environment>No community support>The only thing natively supported is dog shit walled garden tools no one uses>Good luck compiling anything>Good luck updating anything you compiled>Install Linux>At the very least gcc and vi are installed>Can install first party packages for dev tools for any language or framework in one command>Community support for tons of niche packages>Can compile from scratch if I need to and it's automatedThere's no contest.>Inb4 durr I don't need this stuffI do. You baby ducks don't get to complain about Photoshop and AutoCAD every time this is brought up and not respect someone who needs different software.
>>103367575>>103367610>>103367619>>103367627>>103367744>>103367789>>103367800Let me guess: That's a man.
>>103377523the funniest thing is 95% of retards complaining about the lack of Photoshop and AutoCAD on Linux don't even use it, they have little idea what CAD even is for and would be satisfied with the most basic features of GIMP because they can't really use much more than that, the muh photoshop and autocad meme is just the meta of linux-haters and it's what they consider a good argument to make linux look worse
>>103377581worse its a russian
>>103377785everyone who uses AutoCAD or PS wishes they werent but when you present them with an alternative they seethe that its its not exactly like their proprietary garbage they complain about 24/7.
>>103377785>>103378125itt retards that have never used any function in photoshop more advanced than brush and eraser
>>103378095Russian women are fine. Stop being a fucking pussy.
>>103367879Don't pay attention to it, it's an /aicg/ schizo
>>103367575>Every minute spent troubleshooting my install is one less minute I can spend actually being productive and enjoying my life.For linux users, it IS their life.
>>103368801>I need a tool that works, not a brick that frustrates me every step of the way.Desktop Linux is a 'brick.'
>>103377506You're paying for software licensing in the inflated cost of the Mac.
>>103367575Didn't read, not because it's too long, but because it's meant to demoralize users who are perfectly happy on GNU+Linux
>>103367575Buy an ad
>>103367575>But with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting"Has never happened to me, it has always just worked.Maybe you are just retarded.
>>103380656I've seen linux have boot failures at times after the initial install on the first reboot. Your words aren't fixing anything since they won't change user experience.
>>103367575I use a Mac for work programming, windows for games, and Linux for personal programming.All 3 OS's will randomly shit the bed in some mild to moderate way for no apparent reason.The main difference for me is that with Linux I can typically figure out and fix the issue. With windows or macOS you just have to hope rebooting enough fixes it.
>>103380696>With windows or macOS you just have to hope rebooting enough fixes it.You're a programmer who can't read windows event logs? Embarrassing.
You're correct that tinker trannies are bad, but you should just download a good distro like Ubuntu or Mint
>>103380736programmers are some of the dumbest niggers i've ever methad macfag """"""programmers"""""" complain to me their keyboard is broken and needs to be replaced when he yanked the cord out by setting her bag on top of it
>>103367575it actually is
>>103381140what is
>>103367575This is now a dubs thread. Check'em.
>>103381901fail
>>103381901check mine
You think you're being funny with your bait post but you're mostly right. As a senior dev you're either autistic or poor if you aren't using a Mac still.Not to say you should swear off Linux entirely. Knowing how to navigate it increases your value on the job market. I also don't think students should be using Macs; you should be comfortable with Loonix far before you abstract the gay shit away. Often the best way to learn is to become a "tinker tranny".
>>103383158>As a senior dev you're either autistic or poor if you aren't using a Mac still.youre not a senior dev, jayyoure an unpaid janitor on a basket weaving forum, jay
>>103367575Peepee poopoo
>>103367575
>>103381901>>103382296>>103382986Mother Fuckers
>>103383970
>has everything I will ever need already preinstalled for meIf this is true for your Macbook, then you do not use it for anything productive.>But with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting"I do not experience this problem with Ubuntu LTS.>"so now an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file located in some hidden file location"The only time updates fuck my shit up is with Python, and that happens regardless of operating system.
>>103381901roll
NAKADASUKA
>>103367575>it's that it's tedious and a waste of time.extreme skill issue
>>103367789debian is for servers retard
>>103387115retard take
>>103379603okay slopustard
>>103367575I have 145 IQ. At this point Im comfy with linux.
>>103379603>/aicg/ schizoRedundant.
>>103367575>>buy a Macbook>>get a preinstalled operating system that just werksYeah but that means you're gay LMAO>But with Linux, it's always "drivers start bugging out with some functionalities so you gotta roll back to a previous driver / spend hours troubleshooting" or "so now an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file located in some hidden file location".I anticipate the moment this happens but that moment never comes. Just 2 more weeks and I'll have a system breaking issue right.
>>103380313That's great.
>>103388681cope
>>103383158As an actual dev here, macs are exactly as aidstastic as the memes describe them. The literal only reason to use them is if your company does the setup for you and now you have a uniform environment with the rest of your team, but even then nix is a way better solution for that use case
>>103390896do amerisharts really
>>103367575its gnu+linux, you retarded cretin
>>103372009>>103372074>how in the fuck was this ever the OEM's fault?Ignore that man he is a updooter updooters get punished.Disable any updates on a system level in you linux.
>>103367575I'm glad you found the technology that works for you
>>103367575>OP falls for the classic selling your soul out of convenience trick
>>103393618cringe
I'm a retard that installed tumbleweed and I have no idea what people are struggling with.
>>103396761found your problem
>>103397119I don't have a problem
>>103367575is nice maybe some of it is jokeplease do share more detail about PRISMawesome graphics btw
>>103397375>is nicewrong
all so you can make a thread like this, yeah I see the practicality and efficiency at work
>>103377785there is literally a website thats a photoshop copy you can use. i dont remember the name cuz i aint a fuckin designerfaggots gotta complain. but they never complain about a dick up their ass
>>103367575who is this semen demon?
>>103376359>>an update broke the program you were using, so now you gotta spend hours trying to find a workaround in a config file>Yet another predominantly Windows issueit's notif there's anything that linux is most known for, is that updates break things>This is a non issue on the vast majority of non-rolling release distributions, so long as you don't make retarded changes to your system wrong, linux is as stable and troubleshoot-free as Windows ME: if you happen to have a configuration that works, lucky you; otherwise, the issues will never end and there will always be something that needs attentionalso you're already blaming the user for faults in your system>Most Linux distributions offer significantly better performance than Windows and Mac OSwrong and unsubstantiated>This is an idiotic and overly broad statement. Lots of "professional" software runs just fine on Linux.you can't even bring yourself not to wrap 'professional' in quotes, that's how much of a joke linux is when it comes to anything that's not pure hobbyist use>99% of the time this is pebcac, much like with Windows and Max OS.again, it's very typical for linuxfags to blame the user for their system's subpar usability
>yet another 0iq filtered by arch thread
>>103393618anorexic or ai shit, what the fuck is wrong with the war prisoner body typedisgusting and not technology
not my problem saar
>>103377581>
>>103401681>your pc is monitoredat least they're honest
>>103403151itoddlers btfo
>>103367575>get a preinstalled operating system that just werksExcept for window management, customization, or anything outside the way my grandma would use a computer.Now lets ask the mac fanboys how to solve this issue:I need to run an app with an argument, always, and I want to launch that app from the dock yet I don't want to have 2 icons for the same app and the solution needs to survive updates.Have fun trying to solve this on macos.PS. On kde it's done with right click over an application and adding the argument on the edit app dialog and on windows is the same but on the properties dialog.
>>103403094go back
I spent like 2 minutes almost writing some reply to this. Have this shorter shitpost instead, OP. You deserve my (You).
>>103403897i plap you're gf every night
>>103404249DILATE THIS
>>103404249gotem
>>103367575>buy an overpriced macbook>you now supported the definition of evilhell is real and it's cobbling together iPhones in a sweatshop. It is objectively so that apple enthusiasts are completely mongoloid
>>103367575I find it hard to daily drive Linux but the fact that you think people use it for "cool points" is very telling. Linux just werks (better) for developers.Even without gaming, which is most of why I keep using Windows as main, Linux just lacks compatibility with a lot of hardware because of software that the manufacturer bundles in. Whenever I see that a product comes with software controls, I almost always expect that it is for Windows/Mac only. Besides that, there are a few quirks here and there that I find myself not having to deal with on Windows (because it just werks), that said, you are clearly exaggerating for attention, or just lack knowledge of actually using Linux. It really ain't bad at all.
>>103368096my x280 is the same size as a macbook pro, screen real estate really isnt that bad desu
>>103367575but linux is hard
