>Wikishttps://dmpdoc.neocities.org/https://web.archive.org/web/20220330105340/https://rentry.org/dmpdochttps://rentry.org/dmprockandroll/https://mu-sic-production.fandom.com/wiki//mu/sic_Production_Wiki>/g/ makes a 14th albumTheme: 90s TranceDeadline: December 31stPlease post titles and/or cover art>IMPORTANT! READ THIS BEFORE SUBMITTING:Upload the file somewhere and post the link here. If you want to update your track, make a new post.If possible use a lossless format and upload to a file-sharing service, not to a music site like Vocaroo or SoundCloud.Include the title of the song in the post. Don't rely on us reading it from the filename or tags.When you post the submission make sure that the song is clearly a submission for the album, otherwise it might get skipped.Songs that contain anything against YouTube's policies won't be uploaded on YT (but will still be added to the album).If your track's volume goes above 0 dB it will be clipped for the release.>Where can I hear the previous albums?https://rentry.org/dmpalbums-----A board dedicated to all aspects of music making and audio would be great for many reasons. Here's why:https://pastebin.com/ZHXhfRZwIf you like the idea, let 4chan know at https://4channel.org/feedback (under Board Suggestion)-----Previous: >>103337851
>>103386259never cracked edition
I want to learn how to actually operate a keyboard. Can anyone recommend me a good 88-key MIDI controller to start with?I'm tired of clicking notes in a piano roll to make stuff. It just feels so inefficient and so much of my time in production is spent manipulating the notes in an attempt to make them sound like they were played by real human hands. It's such a slow and discouraging way to work.
>>103386524Do you really need 88 keys though?
>>103386792It would help a lot for playing piano VSTs.
>>103386524Professional accompanist here. Most keyboards these days will function as a basic midi controller. Since you are going to just be learning, I wouldnt spend a lot of money until you have a better grasp on what you are wanting etc. If you are really looking to learn to play piano, that will also be slow and potentially discouraging at times.>>103386792>>103386977As a pianist, I really prefer 88 key. It's nice to have, but if you are just learning and have minimal or no piano skills, less than 88 will work just fine.
>>103386524I myself have 61 SL mk3. it's more of a workstation bought mostly to sequence hardware and for easy daw routing. If you want just daw controller get the launchkey or keylab essential.
>>103387262I own a Launchkey 49 MKII. The velocity response sucks. The overall build quality feels very cheap. The rubbers on the mod and pitch wheel became stiff and brittle after a couple of years. Eventually they just fell off.It's still okay for recording MIDI, I guess.
This kills Vocaloid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b550mK4U_7M
>>103387603>AI slop but..........le ethical>normalfag infested userbaseshan't
>>103386524get something from a gear shop where you can actually touch the keys first, to see if you like the feel, and ideally get a used one. MIDI hasn't changed 40 years so it doesn't matter if it's old. IMO if you're mostly aiming to replace clicking notes in the piano roll, you're better off with less than 88 keys; 61, 37, or even 25 keys is actually perfectly fine. Even if you have to transpose octaves for more range occasionally, they make up for convenience. You can put the controller on your desk next to your regular keyboard and mouse, or in your lap or wherever. Personally I've been pretty happy with my (used) akai mpk mini; it also has pads and knobs which are fun.If you actually want to learn piano, i.e. you want to play classical repertoire and your skills to transfer to physical pianos at some point, I think you're best off getting a (used) digital piano that has an internal synth and maybe speakers, because then you can just turn it on and practice, instead of having to load up your entire daw and some piano sample or plugin. It'll still have MIDI output to your computer when you need it. I don't have any specific recommendations; used market is full of them though and again you don't need a new one because nothing is new in digital piano technology. Just make sure to actually touch the keys first.
Recommend me VSTs that is able to do lots of cool preset randomization. Such as Absynth, Polyplex for Reaktor, anything goes.
>>103386524it'll cost some $$$ if you want it to be like a real piano with weighted hammer action triple sensor keys like from nord or kawai. a budget 88 key midi controller will still cost a bit because of the sheer size of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZype73l2Xkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUx7RiKZp0c
https://youtu.be/rPBDHhMMZz0
>>103386524You could always get a Roland FP10, it's a digital piano but you can use it as a MIDI controller.
>>103390377do you expect me to know who this is, or to even care about him?
>>103390492No I don't.
>>103390377> i listed this space on peerspaceoh no > let's some random junkie faggot check it out by himselfno no nonono> youtuber says he has a bad feeling in his stomach about this> gets robbed> insurance: denied - wasn't insured as a business> peerspace: we don't cover thefts, just damage> pic related: the junkie thiefhahaha. damn. so many mistakes.
>>103390377>>103390585What a goof
no wonder nobody makes good shit anymore these threads are full of youtube shills and gear whores lately
>>103393050it's practically 1 guy
Does it make sense for a DAW or sequencer to allow fractional BPMs? Like 120.5 BPM? Orr even 119.99999 BPM?
>>103393208they already do and shit is represented as floats anyway
>>103393214Ok. I'm asking because I'm trying to determine if it's worth making that change in my app. Right now, tempo is stored as ints, so whole numbers only, but I can change it to floating.
>>103393463i'm switching to REAPER but i'm not sure what a midi event editor is useful for? is it for working with hardware synths or something?
>>103393243You should already have some code that converts bpm to microseconds-per-beat MIDI tempo; it's probably best to store it as int microseconds and only convert back to bpm for display.
>>103393746Yes, I do already have that for doing the behind-the-scenes timing. But for the UI, right now it only allows the user to select whole number BPM values. I'm thinking about changing that to allow fractions. It seems like a simple change, but there's more work than I expected since I need to do new number formatting and convert some saved values in the app's state.
>>103393592> midi event editor is useful forediting midi commands that make up your song>is it for working with hardware synths or something?real or software>>103393746>it's probably best to store it as int microseconds and only convert back to bpm for display.facts
>>103393243Some people may want to make smooth automations to the BPM for experimental shit or to just make the rhythm more dynamic like emulating someone playing a piano.
Could I convert my garage into an okay studio for mixing? It's all concrete. I wouldn't modify it or anything, but would put up some panels and basstraps. Not sure what a garage door will do for acoustics though
>>103393908Ok, I can make the change>automations to the BPMI don't really have that in the app. I do have a slider that can go from 1 to 200 BPM though. I also added a button to tap to set BPM, if you want to try and match something else. Right now, the tap function rounds to the nearest whole number, but it will allow fractions after this change.
>>103393994I map a hardware knob on my controller to the daw tempo so when I'm jamming to loops I can adjust it on the fly. It'd probably be nice for your looper thing too.
>>103393050>youtube bad
>>103394093Oh that's a good idea. I'll add it to the backlog
>>103393987Seems like the garage door would be a huge pain actually. Nevermind. Too bad, could have been comfy
>>103393879but isn't it like programming in assembly, almost never worth it vs using the DAW's normal features
Well this is not how I meant to format the current BPM in the display...
>>103386259>A board dedicated to all aspects of music making and audio would be great for many reasonshmmm... yes... it only we had some sort of... >>>/mu/ sic board... hmmm... if only...
>>103394520How so? Those garage door insulation panels would probably help sound treatment a bit, plus are a good idea anyway if you're going to spend a lot of time in your garage.
>>103394649That pastebin came from /mu/.
>>103393987A garage is a pretty live room, you'd need to tame it down
>>103394799>garage door insulation panelsHm, didn't know about those.
>>103394615>but isn't it like programming in assembly,nothing like it>almost never worth it vs using the DAW's normal featuresit is a normal feature. it's been a normal feature since the 1980s. ableton just refuses to properly support it because that business is run by retards.
>>103386259Why is there no crack of this? I tried the older version that's cracked, and I wasn't that impressed, but I think the technology has potential.
>>103395675>Why is there no crack of this?not everything gets cracked or is worth cracking. there's only a few groups and individuals in the world that are good at cracking music software and are fast at it. they're up against a massive tsunami of music software.
>>103395750I think there would be demand for this one, and I don't know how good the latest version is. I think it would be neat to have a good piano vst I could use to just play the piano connected to the computer.Cracks for VSTs are important because these programs get discontinued all the fucking time. Once a program is discontinued, there's no way to ever use it again for those who didn't buy it before.>and are fast at itI think it's safe to say at this point that this case is not about the speed.
>>103395675It uses VMProtect, IIRC. It's probably like Synthesizer V where they managed to bypass the protection somewhat but can't crack it cleaning.Warez groups don't like releasing an incomplete crack like this. That's why the older crack was by some unknown P2P.
>>103395907Well I for one wouldn't care if it's just bypassed or removed as long as it doesn't phone home and works completely offline. I don't know about warez groups today, but back in the 2000s there were tons of cracks which were just bypassed using weird tricks.
>>103395860>I think it would be neat to have a good piano vst I could use to just play the piano connected to the computer.many already exist. i personally use kontakt and alicia's keys library (it sounds amazing).
>>103395944I don't like Kontakt because it's bloated as fuck. It does sound good though, I used The Giant before.
>>103395944Pianoteq uses physical modelling, though.
>>103395969yeah, it's insane bloat but it's enjoyable bloat.>>103395976>Pianoteq uses physical modelling, though.yes, and it sounds pretty good, but that isn't going to give anyone any motivation to crack it faster.
>>1033862591. any progress on Udio/Suno local model clones?2. PianoTeq (basic version) didn't go on sale, so I didn't get it. Cheaper alternative?
>>103386524>operate a keyboard. Can anyone recommend me a good 88-key MIDI controller to start withIf your goal is to actually play real pianos, hammer action isn't optional.>>103386792For piano pieces, defo. Also because you want to get versatile at working the whole keybed. You need to have a free posture.
>>103387741what?>>103387603SynthV does sound pretty good. The example vocal is expressive. Vocaloid sounds weird to me. In English, anyway. idk if the Japanese sounds good to Japanese people.
>>103386524>>103396055This. With the Roland FP10 being a thing, there's literally no reason not to get that and use it as a piano and a MIDI controller too. Having 88 keys and hammer action is great, it's very versatile.
>>103396080when i was using it years ago i found that english voices sounded weird because japanese voice actors were providing sounds for english and jap version. they can't speak english well enough to capture the nuances of speech that natives of english are used to. this is how you end up with some really odd sounding english vocaloids.
SOUL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6DVTLvOupESoulless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VzKx_AGZDw
>>103396749idgi but the second one sounds much better??
THE PIANO THAT COMES WITH YOUR DAW
>>103397423Real men use Microsoft GS.
>>103397493There's some goodies on channel 10
>>103397493chads draw their own piano sound
>>103395976>>103396026>>103396037Pianoteq, while not perfect, is an insane value. Getting something that uses physical modeling, will run on a ipad, and sound as good as it does for the price they are asking is fantastic.
>>103397602>and sound as good as it does for the price they are asking is fantastic.modelling = good. yes. but it's still quite expensive. the pro version would be the best and least gimped version to own but at 399 euro it's a bit steep.
i keep talkign myself in and out of buying gear. for ex, get some outboard, but no- plugins are pretty much good enough buy a synth instead, but no- your current synths can do enough buy a modular, but no, you're overvaluing what it would be ultimately used for etc
For all you anons looking to make trance, here's a track to listen to if you're looking for examples on using lots of whooshing white noises to fill out the sound. This one might have gone overboard, but it is a classic (not 90s, but mid 00s)https://youtu.be/JmuP6rQuSqM
What's that sound called at the intro of No beef by Steve Aoki? I'm talking about the sound that sounds like a sustained bass note. I used to use it all the time while making beats years ago but completely forgot about it.https://youtu.be/i3uDMjVFItM
>>103398742Sidechaining?
>>103395580doesn't make sense why you'd manually edit midi events instead of editing in the arrangement view/piano roll. for example sending an "all notes off" message is used for when hardware is glitching and a key is stuck more so than any normal music stuff. sounds like a you problem.
any composers starting in 2024? is there a point bros? even if just for youtube reviews
https://suno.com/song/c33a70b5-cecf-4a88-a2d9-cae932b31dfeBeen finding AI very useful for fleshing out basic ideas, but still cannot get anything out of it that I could use as is. This particular track, I tried about 30 iterations of various prompts and it kept devolving into some sort of feedback in the right channel that overpowered everything. You can hear some of that in this, but it's bearable.
>>103390577figured, it makes no fucking sense that you posted a link and literally nothing else
>>103398543I like trans music!
>>103400071It's a moderately amusing video. You don't need to "care" about the guy to watch it
>>103400237could have at the very least put some effort and write a comment about it in your post. dropping a link is at best bot behavior and at worst redditzoomer behavior
>>103400261The title of the video is enough.
>>103400237meh it's a uniquely american problem to have to deal with thieves to that extent, it's annoying that americans get away with stealing tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands while people in europe don't make that from a full time job in a year, and it barely has anything to do with music production
>>103400261dropping a link with a thread title and a comment so you don't get downdooted is peak reddit thoughbeit
>>103399667what do you think piano roll is?
>>103400510>In most modern digital audio workstation software, the term "piano roll" is used to refer to a graphical display of, and means of editing, MIDI note data. Piano rolls allow the user to enter the pitch, length and velocity of notes manually, instead of recording the output of a keyboard or other device for entering note data. Usually a means of manually editing other aspects of the MIDI data, such as pitch bend or modulation, is also present, although not strictly part of the piano roll itself.the schizo is complaining that ableton doesn't have a separate low-level midi event list with manual editing capabilities
>>103400458What you personally find interesting or worth watching doesn't concern us.At least one Anon ITT has found it amusing enough to reply, and other producers in the comments found it interesting as well, so if you don't think it's worth watching you need to consider that that's your personal opinion and that you can ignore the post instead of trying to make everyone only post what you want to see.
>>103400526I had to manually insert a "program change" message for every track in Sony Acid because it doesn't save patch setting in the project file.
>>103400564Is it still necessary with modern DAWs that don't have problems like that?
A2C2I2Dhttps://vocaroo.com/11R5ltXSS4tM
>>103400299https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5mZlSpstCs
>>103400509>thoughbeitokay reddit
>>103400762Haha what a silly guy
>>103400811i'm glad you enjoyed my performance
Do you guys like airwindows srsly?I feel like i'm thinking of it too much in terms of a traditional widener / it's a skill issue.It seems like its settings only have a range of way-too-subtle to sounding cool but completely destroying mono comparability AND sounding noticeably worse (i.e there's not just a level loss, the tone is always noticeably different in a bad way)... ime
>>103400988>Do you guys like airwindowsno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhOhPARfvmQ
>>103402211
>>103402211take me back
>>103402211Holy shit! This is the guy who introduced me to synthesizers fuck knows how long ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbePGO1iU1A
https://suno.com/song/760d66cf-8798-408b-985f-9826b6e84f80Had a dream about a plate of tuna mayo with blue lemon wedges in it, and this tune was playing
>>103399667> all notes off n sheeit> this is his understanding of midi dataman stick to using fl studio and picking fleas out of your wife's boyfriend's fur. this is why straight white men that want proper functionality use anything but ableton.>>103400526>it's somehow schizo to want an option that's common in computer software since the 1980sok schizo. but anon was right. sequencers back in the 80s had greater midi capabilities than a 2024 "daw" sold to apes. i know this is why i prefer to use reaper.
>>103403690And why is it not common anymore?Maybe it's obsolete and no one needs it?
>>103403690you can't even explain it because your complaint is retarded. i'm going to use reaper anyway but i'm not sold on your specific complaint.
in reaper you would use abstractions anyway like for example chordgun and not larp as neo in the matrix
>>103403690Reaper has the worst UI and UX out of all the DAWs.Being forced to click around and dive into menus is the least creative workflow I can imagine.This alone makes it worse than Ableton, Logic, etc.No wonder I've NEVER ONCE heard good music made with Reaper, other than music that was made elsewhere and was only recorded on there (recording and engineering, AKA the non-artistic parts of music, are the only things it's good for).If you have low-functioning autism and REALLY need that niche midi feature, using Reaper for it and doing everything else in another DAW is less of a pain in the ass than using Reaper for everything.
>>103403734it is common.>>103403802> he really thinks the depth of midi data is just notes off lmao>>103403978> when you realize ableton is so fucking shit that the schizophrenia actually makes you believe there is a sound difference between dawsholy fucking schizo. what a dumb cunt.
>>103404132>sound difference between dawsWhere did I say anything about that?
>>103404158>No wonder I've NEVER ONCE heard good music made with Reaperwhat a fucking schizo.
>schizo schizing out not knowing what schizo means or how to read what others are sayingWould love to hear these songs that require ADVANCED midi event editors
>>103404198How is that related to any supposed difference between the "sound" of DAWs?I'm obviously and explicitly talking about Reaper's UI and UX not being helpful to the creative process, making its users create shitty music.You know exactly what I mean and are pretending it's this completely made up strawman just so you can avoid admitting that I'm right.Your pathetic tactics are ineffective. Kill yourself. I genuinely mean it.
>>103404212> having a mental breakdown: the seething>>103404263>I'm obviously and explicitly talking about Reaper's UI and UX not being helpful to the creative process, making its users create shitty music.you can stop lying now. your schizo stories are truly embarrassing. what a fucking schizo.
>>103404285Least believable bait on the Internet right now.-10/10I'm not entirely sure but you might be the headphone schizo, which would further confirm that we're dealing with trolls and not actual mental illness.
>>103404324>we're dealing with trolls and not actual mental illness.i don't think there's much of a difference when it's as bad as his trolling is, he seems completely broken
>>103404355You make a good point, but at least the "extreme trolling" kind of mental illness might stop if he realizes that no one falls for it. If he's actually like this and all his posts are sincere, then we're completely fucked lol.
>>103400751actually sounds pretty sick. Maybe try a little shorter kick or make it less loud but keep the clipping sound? It sounds like shit when the kick and the clap happen at the same time.
>>103404324i'm not him and i'm not a troll, you're the ones who are antagonizing me for no good reason. the midi event schizo is the real mentally ill guy. i'm asking in good faith because i'd like to know why he thinks a midi event editor is needed on top of what ableton is capable of. i'm planning on using reaper anyway so i'm not coping about ableton's limitations, i just value intellectual honesty and i care about actually learning about music production and not just pointless bickering and distractions.
i think he wants something like a midi event viewer like you see a list of commands with timestamps coming from your midi controller or whatever, and he wants to be able to edit them retroactively?
see also >>103369066you people are way out of line a lot of the time like defiant toddlers when i talk about things that make total sense
>>103404832You never make sense and you don't make music. You have no reason to be here
>>103404769Maybe you're telling the truth, or maybe this is just part of your trolling. We have no way to know.>you're the ones who are antagonizing me for no good reason>for no good reasonKek
>>103403978I sort of agree, when it comes to recording live instruments Reaper is actually pretty good but for making music with midi i could never really get in the "flow". Even as shitty as FL studio is i could still make music on it, while i've never once completed a song on Reaper that i'm happy with.I use Ardour now and while it does have its issues i found it the nicest to use of the three. I can make music much faster and there's fewer steps between ideas in my head and music in the DAW.
>>103404835here's your (You)
dunning-krugers value "hands on" learning and they think they're hot shit because they've doodled with crayons for 10 or more years. they don't realize how they've been figuratively shat on in every aspect of their life since they were born. people who are really smart can just be told something like in a youtube video and instantly grok it. curiosity comes naturally to these people and they get into a positive feedback loop where they get more and more successful with learning more and more advanced things. whereas some students can never do simple math exercises regardless of the amount of spoonfeeding they get. there are many layers to this, i've barely scratched the surface. even basic things like nutrition and nutritional supplements, cleaning out your earwax, keeping your desk clean, upgrading your computer and midi controllers to modern specs etc, these things tend to be neglected by chronic shitposting anons.>It's pretty similiar to the dregs on the art board that never improves and sketch boxes for years.
>>103405389You must be a master artist on /ic/, post all the best indie games on /vg/, and the best music on here and /mu/. Why don't you share your portfolio with us? I'm sure you've accomplished a lot in your life instead of wasting it for years on imageboards
>>103405389ok cris
