>>103579867
Fuck b580 and it's cocksuckers, I need a b980(4080 perf) for $500 not some shitty 4060 competitor

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New fanless HTPC is looking good
>~20 °C ambient room temp
>5 ° idle CPU temp
>6 ° playing 4K YouTube rips with software decoding
>48° prime95
>9° idle GPU
>45° Elden ring Max 1080p @60
Probabky killed the first Mobo with condensation but the MSI Pro seems unbothered after a few days now.
Only sore spot is the liquid devil 5700xt has awful coil wine so I'll have to look into something better when the 8000 series matures

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/arrow-lake-retested-with-latest-24h2-updates-and-new-bios/3.html
>ARL-S retest shows significant perf. boost thanks to Windows/BIOS Updates
>Next-gen flagship still trailing the 14600K
Yeesh, better pray for a miracle with the 0x114 Microcode update in January

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>>103579991
App perf improvement. Win 11 is a mess.

>>103579991
>>103580012
Did Intel not expect people to use these windows?
Linux desktop share is only like ~5% Max

>>103580029
Just like AMD with zen5 their main focus was datacenters, it's why AMD didn't bother to update the IO die while epyc did get an updated one.

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>Changelog: More efficient motor, correct RPM feedback from the pump. Longer mounting screws on the pump, the A-RGB is now connected in series instead of parallel.
what did they mean by efficient? Amazon US gave me rev 1, do i return and wait out of autosm?

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>>103580029
AMD apparently only internally benched the 9000 series with Linux before launch which led to the whole Zen 5% fiasco.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2906-amd-zen-5-performance-retest/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1f3ylpq/zen_5_tested_with_windows_update_kb5041587_for/
The chips perfomed better on Win10 and of course Linux which is why there was so much Phoronix Benches Cope posted during the launch. Personally I don't think Windows is actually any worse than it always was, it's just both Intel & AMD's Rube Goldberg-ass way of the designing their dies to maximize yields has made them harder and harder for the OS to actually make sense of and extract performance from for everyday usage.

>>103580076
Intel needs to start looking at its desktop CPUs as advertisements for data centre . Good desktop CPUs that are not for example gimped needlessly by removing avx512 and actually work with OS's people use will produce more Intel fanboys out of nerds. If these nerds get into positions of purchasing power in enterprises it could sway market share where Intel actually cares about .
Intel fanboys are getting rare in the younger generation and this will comeback to haunt Intel

>>103580081
Probably just that in conjunction with the more accurate BIOS reporting of the pump RPM it's able to back off the motor load faster to respond to thermals/noise. Since that could probably have been have software fix, I'm 88% sure the only hardware change was the inclusion of the slightly longer screws.
https://old.reddit.com/r/arcticcooling/comments/1gj5ymx/difference_in_arctic_freezer_3_rev_1_and_2/

the Lian Li A3 is great, somehow my XFX 7900XTX is running at max 63C on 100% load in 3DMark, basically only a few degrees hotter than seen in an XFX 7900XTX in an ATX case
not even running bottom fans, GPU is close enough to bottom it can intake outside air on its own

Kinda wish I got the wood version though lol, I got the plastic front and it's not worth it to buy the wood panel separately now

>>103579991
>Intel needs a billion bios updates, microcode updates, intel application performance optimizer updates in order to match previous gen
Lmaooooo

>>103579975
>fanless
>~20 °C ambient room temp
>5 ° idle CPU temp
Your brain alright?

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>>103580201
Intel is going to need Bartlett Lake, not just to hold up against Zen 5 but also to give Degraded Raptor Lake RMAs something to replace with.

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>>103580207
Just the power of spring water in the winter . I think the loop temp is 2° but I don't have a water temp sensor

>>103580232
>12 p cores
>No hyper threading
>AVX512
Barlett Lake will save LGA 1700 , Intel and personal computers

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>>103580207
>condensation
sounds like some kind of chiller setup

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q7bpHW

Thoughts? Reusing case, PSU, and GPU.

How long until amd releases their own apo for dual ccd cpu's?

if money wasnt an issue would (you) pick a 5950x over a 5700x3d?

>>103580299
upgrade to a new platform if money wasn't an issue

>>103580299
If money wants an issue I wouldn't be on AM4

>>103580171
Nobthey don't, Intel is a monopoly in the oem/datacenter market just like nvidia. It's taken years of them being shit for AMD to barely scrape a miserable 10% of the market away from them, and they still have 80% of the market led by boomers who grew up with the "no one got fired for buying Intel" mantra. All Intel needs to do is release something for the professional market and it will sell just like nvidia GPUs do.

>>103580299
If money wasn’t an issue I’d wonder why I felt beholden to AM4.

>>103580282
What GPU?

>>103580299
If money wasn't an issue I'd get an x870 with a 9800x3d and a 4090. If you're looking at those 2 options then get the 5700x3d if you mainly game and the 5900 lx if you actually do work on your CPU.

>>103580317
1070 now
Maybe RTX 5070 next year

>>103580308
>Intel is a monopoly
Both wall street and Intel's board of directors disagree

>>103580359
I just told you they've spent the past 5 years not doing shit, but now that they're actually releasing products they're back to selling. Arrow lake on xeons for example was extremely well received, now their biggest bottleneck is not having Intel fabs running at full capacity and having to pay the tsmc tax on some products.

>>103580301
>>103580304
i guess that was a retarded question
>>103580321
i was really curious since for some reason the 5950x is not that far off from the 5700x3d here so i couldnt get the idea out of my head

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>>103580282
You'll want to spend the extra £16 for a 6000CL30 kit instead of that CL36 kit as that's the sweetspot for perf.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/4cCCmG/patriot-viper-venom-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-pvv532g600c30k
Technically you might be able to dial in the tighter timings but goign from CL36 to CL30 will be a gamble and possibly a tough ask for the memory controller compared to tuning CL32/34.

Also if you are on a tight budget the 12600K/KF matches the performance of the 7600/X for a bit less and lets you run cheaper DDR4 RAM like this:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Tk8bt6/intel-core-i5-12600kf-37-ghz-6-core-processor-bx8071512600kf
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jC6NnQ/gigabyte-b760m-h-ddr4-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-h-ddr4
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/W6ndnQ/corsair-vengeance-lpx-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmk32gx4m2e3200c16

PCPP List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/W3LvRK (Same perf, £46 saved)

>>103580407
Like I said for gaming you get the x3D for work the 5950

New processors when? UE5 still hasn't been tamed.

>>103580408
What about upgrading though. Isn't amd the better platform for cheaper upgrades over time

>>103580299
Neither of those. I'd pick a 5800x3d

>>103580438
that motherboard is not good enough for more powerful cpus, the most it can run are 6 cores

>>103580447
This is the actual correct answer

>>103579803
>98GB (2x 48 dual rank DIMMs)
Your system is fine. It's difficult to reach higher memory clock speeds running dual-rank DDR5 kits.

>>103580438
LGA 1700 still has a hope with Bartlett lake

>>103580447
i cant pick something that doesnt exist

>>103580479
If money wasn't an issue you could just buy AMD and get them to make one for you

>>103580476
intel has no choice now that arrow lake flopped
give me 12 P-cores, on one die, with extra degradation on the side, thank you very much

Intel Aviv's B580 is available at MSRP on Amazon
The shipping is new years though
https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-B580-Legend-Triple-Graphics/dp/B0DNV4NRK5

>>103580495
if money wasnt an issue i would make lisa my momwife

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>>103579867
Recommend me a mouse that won't dissolve in my sweaty ass hands. The G502 is all I want in features, but I've chewed through the third one in just 8 years, the rubber grips keep dissolving.
Features I want:
>Two index-finger buttons to switch tabs
>Three thumb buttons, "forward", "backward" and a "sniper" button to slow down the cursor speed.
Unlockable scrolling is also non-negotiable.
>>103580434
Never. If anything, newer CPUs will never reach the performance we had years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth%27s_law
Also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M00DGjAP-mU
>>103580447
This, 5800X3D chads rise up.

>>103580511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUwxKWT6m7U

>>103580505
if you degrade a raptorlake chip in 2025, it's entirely a skill issue

>>103580453
How do you know?

>>103580476
Bit sceptical about intel. I know the 13 and 14 series were busts. The latest one didn't get reviews too (I think).

>>103580537
How I know? You posted a pcpartpicker link.

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>>103580537
NTA but the mobo don't even have a vrm heat sink so power delivery will be awful

>>103580554
What's a good motherboard for future 9000 series support that doesn't rinse my wallet

>>103580536
i'm joking
don't take everything you read on the internet so seriously
i'd love to buy a 15900K (or whatever it would be called) with 12 real cores and a competent IMC/ring bus

>>103580460
Oic thx m8 its stable ill just leave it

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Is this pricing worth getting saddled with Gigabyte?

im a fucking idiot, i only noticed because the monitor was saying 60hz input

now i see the mouse and scrolling are MUCH smoother

>>103580658
how long?

>>103580658
tell me you just got it

>>103580668
>>103580685
just a few days... but im a wagie so i only have a couple hours every weeknight

>>103580630
I feel like when you're building budget these bundles are always a good idea
is it missing anything you really need?
you even have 2 options
I don't think gigabyte is a bad brand, but I've seen a lot of that sentiment
I've never had issues with their boards

>>103580630
Both of those boards are pretty good, so it's a nice deal.

>>103580699
I was expecting on of those "I've had this monitor nine months and just realized it's been set to 60Hz this whole time"

>>103580630
the premium mobo looks great and for relatively cheap too
I'd avoid the gaming ax brand, looks like their budget mobo and you'll probably be bottlenecked if you ever want to upgrade to an eventual 9950X3D or 10950X3D or whatever
VRMs get too hot on some of the cheaper mobos

>>103580566
in the "cheapest board possible" category take a look at Asrock and MSI boards.

>>103580630
If I remember correctly both those boards have positive reviews, also don't get hung up on brand names as all mobo manufacturers have shit products as well as good ones.

>>103580722
I was very close to being that, i mean im coming from 144hz 1440p monitors so i remember encountering this previously but somehow forgot it here
actualy.. shit.. i did move one of my 144hz monitors to a laptop setup and i dont think ive ever changed the settings

>>103580176
I get that the 50% over reported speed is because they used a motor with a 3 pulse per rotation encoder instaed of the standard 2, but the emails seem to imply that something about the motor or pump physically changed as well. But would that be power draw (irrelevant), flow rate, or noise?
>Another improvements are the efficiency of the pump and the correct RPM feedback of the pump
https://old.reddit.com/r/arcticcooling/comments/1fbjb8d/liquid_freezer_iii_360_rev_2_in_the_wild/
Longer screws were an earlier change made to rev1. This one does have 4 threads coming out at rest instead of 2 like in reviews.

Plugged in: at full speed, the pump is almost silent when held by the tubes, but resting/pressed against a hard surface it hums and becomes louder than the fans. It's the same type of hum as this and the other videos so I am kind of concerned now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivvXqHnucB0

>>103580566
the hdv/m.2 from the OP is the go to bare minimum board that can be had for $100
Idk why some faggot removed it but the best step up from there is the asrock b650 steel legend for $180 and realistically you don't need more than one of those if you have to ask what mobo to get

>>103580630
Yea, that's pretty decent.
CL36 on the RAM.
Wow, Micro Center makes this shit easy to look up. Americans are lucky as shit.

>>103580751
Those are both high end boards there

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Opinions on just building something with equivalent parts to this Vista 470M prebuilt? Besides the RAM.

>>103580769
as it is with prebuilts everything except the cpu and gpu are low end

>>103580762
are you high?
if a $100 mobo is to "high end" you shouldn't be looking at ryzen 9000
you basically can't get cheaper than that anyway so idk how on earth you could possibly consider the price floor of am5 boards "high end"

>>103580817
I'm just praising the HDV here. It's a high end overclocking board for a really low price.
He is looking for something that can run an 8 core in the future without throttling.

>>103580777
Are there obvious things to switch out besides the RAM while staying in that $1400-$1600ish budget range? Or is that just too cheap for anything but a low end build atm?

7500f for 120 after tax (I just bought one for this on a friend's recommendation from aliexpress)
Or
7600 for 170 (can cancel the other cpu and buy this instead)

>>103580874
If that $50 savings gets you a better PC component elsewhere, keep the 7500F.
I would compare the price between 7600 and the -X and get the latter if it's only costs about $10 more (binning fee).

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>>103580831
pardon my misunderstanding

>>103580874
It's the same cpu, the F just lacks integrated graphics. I'd say it's worth it saving 50...

>>103580889
Means I can spend a little more on better mobo and ram (same poster >>103580282)

Thoughts on this?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Vg6jZc

>>103580912
This board allows you to upgrade to 8 core cpus later. It's not as strong as the HDV/M.2 but is a solid choice in this price range.

>>103580831
nta. Why don't companies give the actual power limits of each board?

>>103580769
probably crap ssd, mobo and psu. Just build it yourself anon. You can do it.

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>>103580831
"High-end" is pushing it, but yes, it's really good and probably the cheapest thing that can somewhat reliably run 8000MT/s (pic related from some OC.net user).

>>103580957
because it makes them look bad. and it's hard to gauge how the airflow is in the resulting build.
many boards are hard limited to a certain wattage, maybe they even spell it out in the product description

>>103580974
11,000 MT/s RAM and 6.8GHz 16-core overclocks on the HDV

Can I drop my am4 windows 10 boot ssd into a new am5 build? i don't want to start fresh and reinstall all my apps.

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>>103580912
>ASRock B650M-H/M.2+
That's a deceptive downgrade of the better HDV/M.2 board. It seems to have a 160W power limit.
It won't matter if you're planning to buy more affordable & less power-demanding CPUs in the future, but thought you should know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naX-DnKekCM

I'd get the HDV/M.2 if you plan to upgrade to a relatively powerful CPU in the future
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Dq4Zxr/asrock-b650m-hdvm2-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-hdvm2
The 9800X3D can reach that board's power limit on multithreaded (non-gaming) loads.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/23.html

>Means I can spend a little more on better mobo and ram
You don't really need a better memory kit, there are a few alternatives that can run the same OC speed & timing with lower voltages (1.35V). Slightly more expensive.
These aren't necessary if you want to stretch your budget.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Gk88TW/adata-xpg-lancer-blade-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ax5u6000c3016g-dtlabbk

>>103580997
Yes just check whether your license is digital or has a product key, you'll need to tie it to a microsoft account for windows to activate on the new build.

>>103581007
nta but what are the advantages of activating windows?

>>103581029
To not be marked as an enemy when Microsoft Copilot takes over the world

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Why did you guys tell me it was like lego? It’s not, I think I damaged both my CPU and my motherboard trying to put the parts together by myself. I spent 6 hours trying to build this shit, but I give up now, this is too much for me, even if I managed to finish it there’d be some mistake somewhere that wouldn’t let the PC start, I’m pretty sure.

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>old pc build wishlist in 2013
heh

>>103581062
>DVI on GPUs
good god

>>103580998
Not really bothered by the ram desu thanks though. I have that asrock HDV/M.2 and corsair vengeance 32gb 6000mhz cl30 in my amazon basket. All good to pull the trigger? My cpu doesn't arrive till the 5th of Jan so I could wait if we're expecting Christmas/boxing day sales on mobos and ram

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>>103581059
KWAB

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>>103580974
>>103580986
>Your options for good memory OCing boards are premium ITX, a unicorn mATX, or overbuilt & overpriced LN2 (E)ATX motherboards.
Clown world.

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>>103580831
>>103580974

>>103581087
https://cultists.network/9590/modern-vrms-are-stupid/

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>>103581073

>>103581087
naisu, i guess its the msi b450 of the new era

>>103581102
Yeah just make sure you live near a pickup center or you'll be waiting until mid january for it

>>103581059
you should have watched a youtube video with every step if you're new

the cable management aaa thats the fun part, it's like a puzzle

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wjwFgn

How's this looking? I'm going to use it mostly for gaming and I don't want to upgrade anytime soon (current gpu is a 1050ti). My budget was $1500, but based on a bit of research this setup should last a long time and I'd like to believe pushing it to $1800 is worth it.

>>103581087
why is the HDV so good when stock vrm heatsinks can barely handle a 7950X without throttling
or rather they could have done this liquid nitrogen cooling on any mobo that was actually better

>>103580997
Yes if u turned all the aids off or installed it with Rufus then run KMS vl aio all

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Tad over £325 for my first platform upgrade in forever. Bit more than I wanted to spend but I'll take it over my games stuttering like crazy and 100% CPU usage. Happy holidays lads.

>>103581132
I watched the videos, but the doubts I had were either specific to my case/parts or weren’t covered properly in the videos. For instance, my PSU came with three different CPU cables and I have no idea which one to connect to the motherboard.

>>103581181
Buy nice or buy twice. Your choices look good.

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>>103581188
Read the manual(s) too. There are dedicated PC cable management video guides.
If it boots, gj. If it doesn't, carefully try to identify and solve the issue.

>>103581134
That board is good but completely overpriced now. Go with whatever is cheap and fits your needs. $100-150 max for B650 and $200 for X670. The $120 ASRock board is a much better buy. ASRock B650M PG Lightning Wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=price&c=160,161,158,159
Rest looks fine, upgrading GPU is not ideal now because 5000 series coming soon, but if you have to, you have to.

>>103581211
The manuals explain jackshit, dude, and there are no video tutorials for my PSU even though it’s a high tier one. What are the chances of it exploding because of a mistake I made?

>>103581192
What cooler would be good on a 7500f?

>>103581221
The board has CPU power interfaces labeled, it's usually two plugs.
Name your board and PSU.

>>103581226
Which cooler is good for a 7500f*

>>103581226
Cheap 120mm tower

>>103581227
b550m pro-vdh and core reactor ii 750w, I know where to plug the cable, I just don’t know which cable to plug, there are three of them

>>103581086
You only really need these boards for overclocking at or above 8000MT/s with GDM off, and even then it's still mostly luck.

The biggest fuckup of the whole AM5 line-up is the lack of 2-DIMM boards.
Besides the shitty current ITX and the unobtainium Gene, there are only 4-DIMM AM5 mobos whereas Intel has a bunch of ATX 2-DIMM options.

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so.. I mean... I don't understand. When I finish assembling the PC, it doesn't work?... or does it mean that the CPU will not work correctly until I update the bios?

>>103581216
Here in my third world country both the Pro RS and the B650M PG Lightning Wifi are almost the same price +-10 usd.
I did read that the 5000 gpus are releasing soon but I don't want to end up an eternal waitfag, I've waited long enough to upgrade, also, I'm afraid that thanks to scalpers all gpu prices will increase and I'm stretching my budget a lot already.

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>>103581293
I'm retard. this is the message

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>>103581059
If an 11 year old nigglet can invent a new computer, why can't you even assemble one?

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>>103581256
>I just don’t know which cable to plug, there are three of them
You plug the cable I cropped (EPS 8pin: 4+4 pin).
https://webapi3.adata.com/storage/downloadfile/core_reactor_ii_qsg.pdf

Does anyone know when the next round of aliexpress codes will drop? I want to get a 7500F asap.

>>103581304
Nvm then, I didn't know you weren't in the US.

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>forgot to place a bid in time
>other guy selling for £600
I'm going to kms

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>36 fucking days to get the chip shipped
>kid used the motherboard as a lego base
>nearly fuck up the arctic freezer iii with a cross thread
>fast boot screwing up bios access

Went smoother than I expected, time to play some AAA trash

>>103581354
>8GB

>>103581365
I literally don't need more.

>>103580199
>it's not worth
isn't it only 50 bucks?

>>103581293
It won't work. You need to update the BIOS first. It seems that in order to do this you need a CPU installed that is supported by the currently installed BIOS. Newer boards have a feature that allow BIOS updates even without a CPU installed, yours doesn't. Sorry, mate.

>>103581373
wow, this is stupid, But I am more stupid because I already made the purchase (the shipment has already been made), and I have no way to update the bios. It is the first Intel I have bought.

>>103581360
Why can't it just work? Amd CPUs sound like a chore to use

>every case has an rgb window now
The world's gone insane.

>>103581073
depends on whether those psychos can actually make a warehouse strike happen

>>103581400
lrgbt and glass panels*
i wonder if ill ever be able to replace my good friend the cm 690

>>103581390
Why even do you buy Intel at this point?

>>103580974
Uhmm... run that for like 6 hours.

>>103581360
Nice cpu

>>103581410
me, I don't care if amd is better or cheaper or etc. I don't care desu

>>103580974
The fuck? hdv runs 8000? Buildzoid said it can't though. This board is truly goated.

>>103581428
You can bring the mobo to any computer shop, for a little fee they will update the bios for you. If you also bring an USB-stick with the new BIOS file they might charge less.

>>103581372
>isn't it only 50 bucks?
the non-wood case itself is only 70 bucks

>>103581144
>they could have done this liquid nitrogen cooling on any mobo that was actually better
Where is the challenge in that? Min maxing desu.

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>>103581400
>no beige cases at all
It's over. Gaymers destroyed workstation aesthetic pretty much.

>>103581456
That's exactly what I was thinking, I have no other option. It's not like it's the end of the world, it has a solution. Thank you anons :)

>>103581400
Even worse, now you've gotta pay extra for a solid side panel if it's even available.

>>103581451
buildzoid tests for 24+ hours
also i'm pretty sure he doesn't have time to finetune one single overclock, setting terminations and drive strengths is important when you're close to the edge of stability but it takes forever to figure out optimal values

>>103581226
Anything twin tower, ag620, peerless assasin, phantom spirit. There are so many good ones.

>>103581481
Here is a video that shows you how to get the new BIOS on a USB pen drive if you have some computer that you can use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRyFMf0D9Lc

>>103581397
Luckily the taichi was decently cheap, I was hesitant about amd on boards without easy clear cmos buttons or post code displays. Although to be fair this was the first time I've ever had everything install first time without a single freeze or error.

>>103581451
What he means is that his couldn't do 8000
I'm sure there are hdvs that could if you binned enough boards

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>>103581477
>>103581483
Bleak options for mesh panels

>>103581424
Point is that it boots 8000 CL34, it would likely be stable at EXPO with "easy" timings anyways.
The person who took this screencap was trying to run 8200 CL34 by the way.

>>103581451
As knowledgeable as he is, it's not unusual for him to be wrong. Depending on when he commented on the board, it may have been true that the HDV couldn't boot 8000 at the time.
Recent AGESAs and BIOS updates have massively improved high frequency stability on AM5.

>>103581059
>that big black thermalright heatsink
Kek

>>103581516
Lian Li A3 has a wood(like) option as well.

Is there any practical benefit to buying X870 over X670 if I don't care about wifi 7?

>>103581501
but, I mean, can I enter the BIOS? Even though the CPU doesn't work? because, if I can enter the bios, the problem is solved.

>>103581483
this is the worst part
not only are there hardly any options left but half the time they aren't even stocked
most places will only carry the windowed rgb models
and when you actually find the solid side panel non rgb "base" model it's more expensive than the temper glass rgb version that comes with an extra fan

>>103581542
Micro atx so not an option for me here, I think.

>>103581545
You can't enter the bios without cpu and no bios flashback on this board apparently
https://old.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/17qfzrw/bios_update_b760_tomahawk_intel_14_gen_issue/

>>103581516
why are all ATX cases always front intake to rear

Where are all the chimney setups (intake bottom, exhaust top)? Tower coolers can intake cool air from rear instead, top-down coolers can intake from side panel case fan, GPU can exhaust directly with less interference to the top right

The concept works so well in smaller cases like the Lian Li A3 and the NR200 that they have better thermals compared to some ATX cases (particularly the ones where the GPU sits on top of the PSU compartment so can't directly intake air from bottom)

>>103581545
No benefits to buying anything over a b650 desu I'm gonna sell my x670e when it gets here

>>103581512
Binning boards? Come on now anon.

>>103581512
Lol wtf board binning is a thing now? Isn't zen5 imc the limiting factor?

>>103581534
>Recent AGESAs and BIOS updates have massively improved high frequency stability on AM5.
Fucking wild anon.

>>103581540
What’s wrong with that?

>>103581658
>>103581669
I'm 100% serious. Overclockers were binning boards not too long ago with z690 apex's because good ones were 1000mt/s better than bad ones
Now it's not normally as extreme as that example for other boards but they still vary by 200-400mt/s if your ram and imc aren't the bottleneck

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Mfw I just got free ram off ali kek

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>>103581703
Oh neat I think my b650 aurous blabla x2 elite V2 is bad won't go over 6000mhz

>>103581545
Gen5 pcie slot. Ability to run 8000.

>>103581737
I thought 6000 was the sweet spot

>>103581658
>Binning boards
This isn't a meme, some Intel Z690 4DIMM slot boards can stably run 6800MT/s memory transfer speeds.
Not all 2 DIMM slot Z790 Apex Encore can support 8000MT/s or higher.

>>103581749
There are x870 boards that just do 8000 out of the box. Like tomahawk, for the complete list, check the hardware unboxed vid.

will a new gpu run slower on a pcie 3.0 board if i have a nvme drive which according to my board also slows my x16 lane?

>>103581764
So does anybody know on a technical level what changed? I only just got my am5 board 3wks ago and know nothing about this stuff

>>103580722
I've had my aw3821dw for 3 years and only just changed to 144hz two months ago

>>103581548
No, to enter BIOS you will always need CPU and RAM installed even with the latest boards. Only updating a BIOS is possible without CPU and RAM in case a board supports this new feature. ASRock call it "BIOS Flashback", MSI call it "Flash BIOS".

>>103581720
Your issue here is the fact you're running a 2x48Gb dual rank kit, it'd already be impressive if you could do 6200 with it.

>>103581792
got it, all good. thanks!

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/pc-crashes-extremely-frecuently-whea-logger-id-18.330044/

all AMD again

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>>103581059
What did you do

>>103581837
not having a foreskin should be a bannable offense

>>103581561
>and when you actually find the solid side panel non rgb "base" model it's more expensive than the temper glass rgb version that comes with an extra fan
Low-stock and the margins are inherently lower because you can't move it as quick so the price is set higher for a wider return on investment.
What no one likes to admit is that RGB shit sells and sells well enough that it's cheap enough to mark up and people will pay extra for it and stock moves way quicker.
Let's say you're from the UK and you're in some industrial park estate and you're guys who build PCs. Targeting GAYMERS works because you cna just upcharge them a premium price because they're already potentially blowing thousands on Nvidia+Intel and they'll want the gay LED lights for their room, because it's like a video game and they love video games.

>>103581498
What about this?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/thermalright-assassin-king-120-mini-v2-cpu-air-cooler-coo-tlr-03265.html

>>103581656
Sell x670e board? Wtf? Are you mentally ill?

>>103581805
It was free so I can't complain
More you bottlenecked I loaded up cs2 for the Lols and it gets 500-1000fps wtf

>>103581938
This is single tower. If not for twin Tower, might as well stick with the box cooler.

>>103581749
> I thought 6000 was the sweet spot
Yes, it is, because this will have the CPU's memory controller run sychronous with the memory clock, aka "gear one". 8000 will have it run asynchronous but the high memory clock slightly outweighs this drawback. The main advantage of 6000 is that you can install higher capacity modules of RAM, even 4x48GB stable (with some manual tweaking). With 8000+ you can only get 2x24GB running, enough for most unmodded games though.

>>103581948
Id have to rebuild my entire PC from my b650e tho
Is there that much of a difference? I got it for fee lol just waiting for it

>>103581966
Oh right yeah I needed 96gb because modded beam NG and others absolutely eat ram

>>103581971
Which b650e and which x670e board?

>>103581805
> 2x48Gb dual rank kit, it'd already be impressive if you could do 6200 with it.
That would be awesome if @CL30. Looser timings would negate the benefit of +200 clocks.

>>103581984
MSI gaming wifi x670e
Gigabyte aurous elite ax V2 wifi

>>103582006
They're both similar quality boards, especially the V2 Aorus Elite AX which is a downgrade to the initial production batch (6 layer PCB vs. 8 & fewer VRMs).
Keep your X670E for the extra connectivity.

>>103581958
It doesn't come with one

I'm due for a fresh build, how long should I put it off to take advantage of the most current shit, is a bunch of stuff slated for refreshes soon?

>>103582058
New GPUs are announced start of January.
New CPUs are nothingburgers except 9800X3D.

>>103582130
Is this 9800X3D that good? Seems like it was just released perfect

I'll wait until jan/feb and see whats up then

>>103582058
RTX 5000 cards will have UHBR20 support

>>103582043
Kk so sell the b650? Pretty meh board I guess it's all I could find in stock

>>103582178
>UHBR20
how big of an advantage would that be

>>103582058
Wait™ for the 50 series. They will be launching in January.

Get a 9800X3D or a 9900X3D or 9950X3D, but those last two haven't been announced yet.

Thinking of upgrading my graphics card. Not sure if I should go the Radeon RX route or Nvidia rtx… Radeon seems more budget friendly… looking at a RX 7700 XT

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How important is the motherboard. I switched from a b650 steel legend to a x870 pro rs wifi, which was 30 dollars more but will arrive in a timely manner.
I look at comparisons on PC part picker like on the left side, but I'm not necessarily sure what I'm supposed to be looking at that's different. Really all I see is that they have different amounts of 3.2 USB ports. It's all like 3-4 m.2 slots on every board. I want it to last me like 5-7 years or so. Did I make a correct choice https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mtcgXL/asrock-x870-pro-rs-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-x870-pro-rs-wifi
I aalready have all the other parts but the mobo. I don't know how impactful it is for high end gaming. I have like a $250ish budget for a mobo but I could go a bit higher to 300 if it means it will last me years. It has to arrive within 2 weeks too. The 650 wasn't going to come until February. I have the new board ordered but I still have time to cancel. I also dunno which brand is better for bios or if there is a difference between MSI, ASRock, etc. motherboards are basically the one component I really have no clue about. Sorry that I'm basically asking to be spoonfed. Here is the full build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HjM2mC

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Its done well for 15 years but its being relegated to storage until the next media center

>>103582229
radeon for raw power, nvidia if you care about AI, DLSS

>R7 7700 Zhiku Edition
>$180
>free shipping delivers early January
What's the catch? Am I about to get chinked again?

>>103582229
Intel will be more budget friendly

What are some essentials when booting into a ryzen system for the first time? E.g. enabling XMP, changing power/thermal limits etc

>>103582382
Search for LED, turn all of them off

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bros?
>>103582202
https://g.co/gemini/share/380161f7152d

>>103582310
Forgot link.
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008072964215.html

>>103582382
Nothing. You start it bone stock and make sure everything actually works first. Also install the OS before changing BIOS things except the hardware clock... the one that keeps time not the clock as in overclocking.

What should I do after building my PC and installing my OS? How do I keep my PC up to date and clean and happy like day 1?

>>103582051
Twin tower anon. It should be around 35 to 40 bux.

>>103582229
79xtx cheap otherwise wait
5090 apparently 40% faster than a 4090 whether or not and will make a budget friendly 8000 series gpu who knows

>>103582427
Keep it upto date. Don't install software from stupid websites. Just enjoy your new PC.

>>103581990
>Looser timings would negate the benefit of +200 clocks.
Depends how loose really, the gain from running 3100 UCLK would probably still outweigh worse timings.

>>103582258
>How important is the motherboard
For AM5 they're not very important, within reason of course.
Most B650 boards will handle any CPUs just fine and all X870/E boards are in the overkill range already.

It all comes down to the features you might need or could be interested in such as more or specific I/O, CMOS button, GPU release mechanisms, M.2 slots, PCIE slots, lane sharing etc.
Most likely you can figure it out by just asking yourself what you will actually plug into the board.
>switched from a b650 steel legend to a x870 pro rs
They're almost identical, it's fine.
>if there is a difference between MSI, ASRock, etc.
Not really, the BIOS is very streamlined and it's usually just a matter of time before one vendor eventually replicates another one's feature.
>could go a bit higher to 300
I would get the MSI X870 Tomahawk if it's within your budget, it's an extremely good board with excellent BIOS support and the value king in the X870 lineup imo.
Would also prefer the ASRock X870 Steel Legend to the Pro RS if they're close in price because the latter's USB connectivity is pretty limited (see Hardware Unboxed's X870 roundup video).

>>103582382
Lots of patience when oc ram fuck it's still a pita can take about 30mins of first boot while it self tunes

>>103582382
Apply XMP/EXPO, check if fan curves aren't set to something retarded, disable "driver auto-installs" and stuff I won't use (Audio chipset, WiFi, Bluetooth), save and reboot.
Don't try running PBO, RAM OC or whatever on first boot, that's just dumb.

>>103581720
Try to push some more vsoc for 6200 but really test if its truly stable at 1.2 first. Mine looked stable at 1.2 for 6 hours before it errors out in y-cruncher fftv4. I needed 1.23 and it runs for literal days.

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>>103582528
I'll save some jews in the tank when I get bored I'll fiddle with it again

>>103582513
>enable exp
>dont ram oc
erm....

>>103582258
x870 has WiFi 7 network card so you're stuck with either Windows 11 or GNU/Linux.

>>103581712
you did the scamming?

>>103582258
Pro rs wifi is a great board anon. If you want to spend more, consider msi x870 tomahawk.

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>Zotac fans

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>>103582622
Took 6weeks to get to me and refund went through already lol getting a free x670e as well

>>103582806
Wtf? Good for you anon
I didn't know the Chinese had such consumer friendly refund policies

>>103579894
>b980
Not going to happen in the battlemage lineup. Might happen in Celestial or Druid

What is an E Key when comparing motherboards

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gkQY9C
This would be what I'm settling for.
Some anon told me to drop samsung PRO to EVO, but prices are the same on Amazon where I am.
Does expo option on the RAM works well ? Or is it more a gimmick features that will barely works. Is it actually worth it spending more on the ram or should I just go with a 5200 ram which is what the CPU technically supports ?
> GPU
it's a placeholder, I'll decide on the GPU after the new cards are released.

>>103582822
Same lol kek

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https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1hi4u9w/glossy_samsung_g80sd_matte_coating_removal/
>pure whites are less grainy, and blacks appear inkier
>The text is slightly sharper, but contrary to Rtings, it doesn’t make fringing worse.
So OLED monitors (at least the Samsung QD-OLED panels) are glass under a plastic film, would clarity even on the semi-gloss models be improved by peeling the coating off to reveal the bare screen underneath?

>>103582439
Don’t have the funds to go all out. I was looking at the acer nitro oc radeon rx 7700 xt 12gb

>>103582924
You gotta change the board. That one is garbage. Get the asrock b650m hdv instead. Look at the hardware unboxed video for reference. Isn't 7900gre around the same price? Can you not get that? Also, you don't need an AIO for 7600x, air cooler would suffice. Also, consider arctic lf3 if you want the aio.

>>103582961
In that case consider a used 6950xt or 69xtxh they go extremely hard

>>103582924
>where I am
Where is that? If you have a local PCPP we can price-shop for you.

>drop samsung PRO to EVO
It's likely that neither one is the best value here but, of the two, get the cheaper one. You don't need a TotL SSD for a gaming rig.

>Does expo option on the RAM work well?
EXPO is just the name AMD uses for the top bytes of the SPD config. It's functionally identical to XMP (with minor timing optimizations for AMD CPUs).
EXPO should be preferred on an AMD build but don't pay extra over an equivalent XMP kit.

>should I just go with a 5200 ram
No you've got it right with 6000C30.

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>>103582955
Yes.
Improve brightness and contrast and colors
Even works on CRTs with antiglare coating
I fucking hate those coatings yet every monitor from the 90s to now has it
In a dark room removing the coating only has benefits, downside is it will have more glare in a bright room