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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
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Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
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>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
Microsoft Windows 11 24H2 update may cause SSD failures; DRAMless SSDs are more vulnerable.
If you have a potentially vulnerable SSD, revert Windows update, disable automatic Windows update, & use Registry Editor to set 64 MB HMB allocation policy (or disable HMB).
https://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-latest-windows-11-24h2-update-breaks-ssdshdds-may-corrupt-your-data/

RTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
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>Storage Reviews
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https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/
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AMD Radeon 555 Pro
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>>106472558
that 'naner is no good, too ripe already, too much sugar and not enough fiber
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Day 8 of FAFO'ing with G80SD - Demoralized and Defeated/Close to the End/Tried Edition

Idk what more there is to say at this point

bonus memes
>Never listen to Totally*ubbed as a reviewer he goes into the slopper pile of reviewers that can only regurgitate numbers
>Makes false claims that don't exist in product
>Fail to mention negatives
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>>106472767
To be fair as a reviewer you have to follow a strict steps that allow for the numbers to come about, they dont have the time to use every monitor for 50h a week for their anime and weg sessions

you need to read reddit user reviews for pros and cons of actually using the monitor as the daily driver
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>>106472783
Well considering a reivew is code word for Paid AD/Infomercial these days, it is what it is
does not make me wish death upon them all any less
>you need to read reddit user reviews for pros and cons of actually using the monitor as the daily driver
the ironic part here is that is actually the place where everyone is sperging out the most about pixel refreshes and fringing
ledditors won... it's over
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>>106472767
you can never trust youtubers
they lie and even if they have issues with it they will replace it in 6 months with a new version anyway
the only time they tell the truth is if the shit is so garbage and they seethe so hard they make a video just trashing the product so it's still not a review but a rage filmed rant at how it's made their life hell
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what is this
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FormD T1 my beloved
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>>106472832
>the only time they tell the truth is if the shit is so garbage and they seethe so hard they make a video just trashing the product so it's still not a review but a rage filmed rant at how it's made their life hell
most of them don't even do that. der8auer is about the only exception but he only does it for top range rog stuff
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Help needed.
I just bought a 2x8gb 3200mhz ram, after installing new ram, pc doesn't boot, debug led stuck at ram.

Tried single stick every slot, 4 stick work fine. Reset cmos but still doesn't work.

Here's the weird thing happened, before installing mew ram, my rig was running at 2666mhz but when I installed new one, it's always 3200mhz without xmp enable.
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>>106473271
if it doesn't post without xmp then you got a doa stick.
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>>106473298
This is the first time I experience this, new stick just stuck @3200mhz without xmp enable. I tried to set it @2666mhz and it boot just fine but if I install 2 old one it doesn't work again.

Idk how but I managed to get 4 stick worked with cmos reset but when I lift the pc case up it shoot itself again.

Trying reset cmos rn.

Another note 3 stick installed just fine but 4 is a no go.
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>>106473356
did the sticks all come in the same kit from the same day you bought them? or you bought them at different times? either case, the die types may vary between the ram and they could not be compatible with each other. for example samsung memory can't run same timings as hynix.
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>>106472849
can this run Stable Diffusion XL?
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The jews are trying to tempt me by discounting the 5070 TIs right now but I'll wait until the super cards are out
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>>106472849
like amds radeon pro lineup. basically same gpu as consumer but with "ihv pro driver" support instead of using the gaymer driver.
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>>106473414
2 different kits

>for example samsung memory can't run same timings as hynix.
This come to my thought too but I don't know how to get it work.
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>>106472849
an israel support package with a free gpu included
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>>106473458
the ram training at startup is basically testing the kits and if it fails that then sticks are incompatible since it 100% wont pass gaming/windows tests which are more stressful. so you need new ram / rma.
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>>106473458
put kit 1 in A1/A2 and kit 2 in B1/B2
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oh man... modern games are so demanding
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>>106473458
The serial number sticker will help you distinguish the different sets.
Follow what >>106473648 said afterwards.
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>>106473709
what do you get out of spamming this image?
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>>106473709
>1660 Ti/Super / 2060 can probably do 1080p60 low with FSR/DLSS
your ass is demanding
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>>106472859
Love the black and copper. Good job bro.
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>>106473734
>>106473648
UPDAAAATE
ISSSS OOOON

Here's the process, cmos reset, 1 stick in -> boot okay, then another stick from same kit in different slot -> boot okay, 2 stick same kit, slot next together -> boot nicely, throw in remaining sticks annnnd boom it's on. Rn is A1,A2 and B1,B2

Tbh idc about the speed I just need the capacity.
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Don't consoom, DV2 has been announced
all your hardware is obsolete
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>>106474076
it will never be licensed on samsung displays so DOA
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>>106474076
im gonna run this ancient aw3423dw until its dead
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>QDOLED fucked my eyes up with fringing
>Can't buy S95F as endgame "Monitor" anymore
>LG running sales
>LG G5 literally as cheap as it will be during black friday/new years right NOW at 1683€ w stacked discounts and codes for the 55"
>I can literally buy endgame "monitor" right now
>Not sure if WOLED will fuck my eyes with the RGBW structure
it's all so tiring
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>>106473459
I'll take two, thanks.
Captcha is 4JVNK, fucking TRVE.
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more and more people are taking the tv pill day by day
qdoled made me give up the idea of a smaller desktop sized tv, the fringing will be even worse
the thing about the g5 is that they fucked all the modes in hdr though except now they patched the filmmaker mode, kinda gay how you have to run in filmmaker mode with game mode on to fix it some how, so you can't just run game mode? seems kinda gay, might not mean anything but seems kinda jank
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>>106474284
actually, nvm.
god damn look at this you can see the diagonal dithering just from a yt video, not even looking for it just saw the whole mess
it's over, every display tech is shit
I accept defeat
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/mbg/ monitor buying general
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>>106474157
>>106474284
>>106474346
I'll never use 55" TVs as a monitor, I will stop @ 37".
https://news.samsung.com/global/the-worlds-first-37-inch-monitor-shows-how-5-inches-can-change-everyday-life
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I used to have an r5 5600 and rtx 3070 and it was just "enough" and I used to enjoy gaming. Now I have a 7800x3d and a rtx 5070 and I obsess over 1 and 0.1 percent lows and don't enjoy gaming anymore
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>>106474395
>how-5-inches-can-change-everyday-life
that's what your mom said anyways
>I will stop @ 37".
this already exists in the form of the 45" LG UW 5k2k
quite essentially just that
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Things aren't looking good radeon bros...
Do you think amd can even afford to make another gen???

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/q225-pc-graphics-add-in-board-shipments-increased-27-0-from-last-quarter/
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https://videocardz.com/newz/jpr-nvidia-discrete-gpu-market-share-reaches-94

AMD on track to have less than 1% of the GPU market, might as well give up at this point.
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>>106474451
Don't want UW.
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>>106474474
>>106474476
Uh oh, these posts coming up at basically the exact same time isn't going to be good for the resident radeon schizos paranoia and general delusions.
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>>106474486
140ppi is quite usable unscaled, a little less than that and 120 should be even more easily
the lg might be kinda good currently ngl

anyone know if LG oled monitors have dithering? I really don't think so no? Never remember hearing about it or anything
just the tvs
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Anyone know how to turn off GPU RGB on Linux? I tried OpenRGB but it did not recognize the GPU, I tried running Gigabytes software with wine but it was a buggy mess that led nowhere
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>>106474494
Thats expected, the basic state of anyone who willingly buys a radeon is mental illness.
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>>106474474
fake news
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>>106474507
>anyone know if LG oled monitors have dithering? I really don't think so no? Never remember hearing about it or anything
>just the tvs
actually yeah it's on all woleds I think after all
all woleds have chrominance overshoot, but do monitors do dithering to solve it? I don't think they do?
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Torn slightly between PG32UCDMR and XG32UCWMG monitors (4K QD-OLED and WOLED respectively). My room is usually dark, so is the former probably the way to go? Especially since I absolutely can make use of DP 2.1 and would rather not deal with DSC (which means the cheaper DP 2.1 Gigabyte alternative with the same QD-OLED panel is probably out as people say it still forces DSC).
Or would it be wiser to wait until the 4K 32" Tandem WOLED things come out next year? I'm not in a big hurry to buy but a year or two is a long time. And Tandem QD-OLED seems to be no different from normal QD-OLED...
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>>106474522
Prebuilt mogs the self build market, I've not seen a single radeon in a prebuilt for years except for integrated graphics.
Nvidia easily sells 10 or 20 to SI for every self built PC Card.
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>AMD RDNA5 is reportedly codenamed after Transformers
RDNA5 won
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>>106474476
it always funny reading the comments when these kinds of articles come out
it's like people get pissed that everyone isn't just buying amd gpus
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>>106474621
If you have not been following along these past days I will tell you now with absolute certainty that qdoled has a type of pixel fringing due to the subpixel layout that can give people eyestrain/headaches, it's just not good, and the glossy ones are very extreme at it, matte less so
allegedly the 27" 4k reduces it even more, but people report it still has fringing depending on how sensitive you are

all reviewers who mained 32" qd have gone over to the true black woled, shills or not, food for thought

can not say if pc woled is better or also shit, never tested it, lcd ips is still more clear

dsc or not is like not even the top 10 "issues" to begin with
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>load old game with PhysX
>nowadays we can max out their settings
>play
>it's nice
I miss PhysX. It's really fun to finally see the particles maxed out.
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>>106474651
Won't Hasbro sue them?
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>>106474742
They're just internally used code names.
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>>106474671
Individual buyers literally don't matter anyway, AI and prebuilt PCs make up most of Nvidia's sales.
Nvidia are also cheaper than AMD now for individual cards. Why would anyone buy AMD now?

Recent check at online stores shows the cheapest 9070 at 599 and a cheapest 5070 at 475 in my region.
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any anons here got monitor recs for gaming and color sensitive work?
IPS only, no OLED since text fringing just kills it for me more than the burn in that will inevitably set in

>>106474360
Das right
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>>106474699
Best grab an rtx30 or rtx40 card while you can
Those are the final GPUs to support physx in old games
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>>106474754
>Alpha troon
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>>106474811
I just read the news. I didn't know. I have a 2060. It seems like it works.
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>>106474830
That's a good card for physx. Hold onto it and use it as a physx accelerator for whenever you want to revisit those old games
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>>106474801
I'm consdering just buying the 160hz SS IPS 4k 27" slop and calling it a day
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>>106474872
>IPS
You need the contrast of va, more and more programs are almost entirely black peoples.
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mobo stuck on dram and cpu lights on
9700x
msi pro b650m-a wifi
kingston fury 2x32 gb 6000mhz cl30

I already updated bios to latest (at least I suppose i did)

and yes I waited a really long time for memory training (it has been 30 mins so far)

I tried clearing cmos once but I am not actually sure if I shorted the jumpers long enough so I will try that again

cpu pins r not bent and I tried both ram sticks in all slots

cables are seated

wtf is the problem???
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>>106474641
The Radeon marketing and features team was trying to attract more OEMs, but they probably can't match GeForce GPUs in volume discounts.
Dell doesn't even offer the choice of selecting a Radeon video card; HP's most recent Radeon card option is an RX 7600.

Radeon also has a brand perception issue; it's seen as the less premium choice over GeForce.
Prebuilt 9070/XT PCs aren't cheap; normies may as well spend more for a GeForce prebuild at that point.
https://www.amd.com/en/gaming/advantage.html
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>>106474897
Try booting with one memory module in A2, test both sticks. GL.
I'd return all three of those items if you can't get them to work. Not worth spending more time identifying the issue.
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>>106474895
not buying miniled slop
not buying an old overpriced G7/G8
no such panels exist that are cheap
>"need"
don't need shit and it will be more smeary too
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>>106474918
alr
i will show it to a pc tech just in case but he will prob just tell me its borked lol
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AOC Q27G4ZR

yay or nay? looks decent and is on sale in the UK for £170, but i cannot for the life of me find any reviews of it
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>>106474897
> 6000mhz
Boot with one of the DIMMs only, go into BIOS, select the EXPO for your DRAM, reboot into BIOS and check if EXPO active, power down, install the other DIMM, boot with both DIMMS. This helped in one case here.

If you can't boot with one DIMM, try the other. If both fail flash BIOS again after reading the fucking manual. Rinse and repeat above procedure.
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>>106474872
> 4k 27"
Get 32" if 4k or 1440p with 27".
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a while ago I did some black magic to rebind my side mouse buttons to be actual keys on linux (O and P respectively) and to my surprise it works like that on other PCs, what in the world did I do...
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>>106475025
>Get 32" if 4k
I can get two 27" ones for the same price as one of them
bad value
>or 1440p with 27"
unless significantly good deal not even much cheaper than 4k 27" at this point
buying an ancient res in 2025 is kinda crazy I would prolly hate myself even more
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>>106472859
I'm going form but I'm a fan cuck, dude that's shit temps and gross
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>>106475010
i think i was just very retarded and didnt short jbat1 long enough the first time

it gets to vga with both sticks in now
time to stick in the gpu
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i cannot stress enough that everyone needs to tune their ram. you will feel the latency difference.
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this might be the poorest general on /g/ the /lmg/ guys all have rigs with multiple 3090s/4090s and hundreds of gigs of ram the battlestation people have full room setups the /hsg/ people have enterprise grade shit and this thread people complain about a $500 GPU

it's no wonder pc gamers are not the valued customers any more
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>>106475341
Unneeded on x3d
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>>106474522
my favorite cope is that the steam hardware is somehow wrong and these two entries are the 9000 series cards.

Imagine how clinically insane you have to be to look at these numbers which have either trending negatively or sideways across all the months post 9000 series launch and come to the conclusion that the 9000 series are them even though the numbers are similar to hardware survey from last year before the 9000 series was even launch.
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>>106475467
you will even feel it on x3d. if your ram holds data charge longer your x3d can do more with with that data before it needs to do refresh cycle.
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>>106475533
hardware survey's*
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the GPU market will end up being you either buy a 5090 or you buy the XBOX PC with a AMD SoC, AMD dGPUs will die off

it's over
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I love membrane keyboards.
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>>106475589
probably beeps due to not even having nkey roll over due to being bottom of the barrel dog shit slop
depends though
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>>106474522
this guy is mentally ill
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>>106475567
We are already there, i fully expect AMD to focus on LPDDR5 and cloud gaming solutions because thats what microsoft wants. the discrete SKU will be probably the same chip the ps6 is getting
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>>106475567
if nvidia wanted to they could release a SoC that ruins any chance for amd to succeed in console market
they merely avoid the market to enable competition to ward off monopoly claims and such



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