>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use casesState BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helpedGuide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAMEDual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8>CPUBudget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/XGaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700XWorkstation: 9950X, 9900XPremium: 9950X3DIntel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 14400F budget, 14600K midrange)>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)>MOTHERBOARDAvoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.>RAMDDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)>SSD (Keep firmware updated)Budget: SN7100, NM790High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)Premium: SN8100https://borecraft.com/>GPUBudget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used cardMidrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GBHigh-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti>PSUBuying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITOR1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)Prev: >>106528809
>News & RumorsRTX 50 Super: might launch in Q4 '25, 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.>OmissionsRTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).>Product NoticePNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/>PSU Reviewshttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplieshttps://www.lttlabs.com/https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplieshttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+SuppliesFor tier-list enjoyers:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/>Storage Reviewshttps://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSDhttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviewshttps://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/>Monitor Hunterhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/
Spam duplicate threadReal thread below>>106540541>>106540541>>106540541
>>106540708This thread is not spam. You keep your inflammatory OP until it's moderated out of the board.
Are you an ATX, Micro ATX or ITX fellow?
>>106540760ITX or E/ATX, mATX is a bit in-betweeny.
>>106540754>Only Im allowed to bake the OP with my opinionsGo back to plebbit
>>106540800Except I waited for someone else to make their own, sane, drama-free, OP.I trust you'll be able to make an OP that won't be moderated away.
>>106540760I've built exactly one of each.
>>106540809Different opinions then your own does not equal drama. Again you need to go back. Expression of opinions even unpopular ones against consensus are allowed on 4chan. You do not have a monopoly on the OP.
>>106540887>not equal drama>'Umm TransForce xisters wtf?'>'AVOID Shittel'And just straight up misinformation/marketing shill about SAM.>ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM The chart doesn't show any performance advantage for AMD GPU + AMD CPU.
>>106540914>The chart doesn't show any performance advantage for AMD GPU + AMD CPU.5060 ti is simply a little bit faster than 9060 XT in many gpu bound titles kys shill that chart is irrelevant. AMD GPU + CPU provides the most benefit in CPU bound games due to less overhead on nvidia cards and SAM helps with better frametime stability. AMD engineers have themselves said there are specific optimizations with SAM when it is both an AMD CPU and GPU.
>>106540958>less overhead on nvidia cardsless overhead on *radeon cards.
>>106540958>AMD engineers have themselves said there are specific optimizations with SAM when it is both an AMD CPU and GPUAMD engineers have never said this because it's bullshit
>>106540958Why are you even looking at the 5060 Ti in that chart when I was talking about the bullshit claim about AMD CPU + AMD GPU is the most optimal combination for Radeon cards?The FPS difference between similar tiers of Intel/AMD CPUs is basically a run-to-run variation.Obvious except for the X3D because Intel doesn't have an answer to that.
>>106541001>The FPS difference between similar tiers of Intel/AMD CPUs is basically a run-to-run variation.Again because these are almost entirely gpu bound results dumbass. kys
>>106541021>almost entirely gpu bound resultsSo they're not entirely gpu bound.No clear SAM benefit in CS2 either (far more CPU bound).
>>106541055>Posts another gpu bound chart like a retardCS2 on very hight setting is clearly gpu limited since 9600x is getting pretty much the same performance as 9800x3dKys
>>106541243Your SAM shilled charts weren’t running the systems at CPU bound scenarios.>>106540367>>106540386
>Nvidia Drivers In The Year 2025
>Have an i9-9900k>RTX 3080>Still get 75+ fps on high-ish settings on single player games.>120fps+ in any game with competitive titles (apex legends, Overwatch, etc)>only game that dives to around 25fps is World of warcraft during extremely heavy player open world areas and 30 man raids>Go into BIOS and disable Hyperthreading so my 9900k is essentially now a 9700k because I read that MMORPGs are very CPU bound and on die cache dependent>disabling hyperthreading cores makes the cache shared to less logical processors>overclock the 9900k to 5.3GHz because no hyperthreading cores gives me more voltage headroom (used to only be able to get 5.0GHz with all 16 threads)>Getting almost 50fps in WoW in areas I used to drop as low as 30I was like super close to buying a 9800X3D which would have required a new motherboard, new cooler, new RAM, and new SSD (current Samsung 960 EVO 500GB is at 39% health). Now it looks like my 9900k just isn't gonna die. Honestly I think I'll end up just building an entirely new build, GPU included when Intel releases their 3D cache competitor to AMD's 3D stuff.
>>106541491You'll be spoiled for choice next year, but Zen 6 is more likely to be a good chip than Intel's Nova LakeYou should also overclock the memory to improve FPS. Intel CPUs scale well with memory OCs.https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
>>106541512>You should also overclock the memory to improve FPS. Intel CPUs scale well with memory OCs.my Memory kit is unfortunately pretty shit for overclocking, but fantastic for timing tuning. I had a first generation Ryzen back when Ryzen was extremely picky about memory kits. It's a G-skill 2x16GB kit of Samsung B-die 3200Mhz @ 14-14-14-34 timings. I was able to get it down to 3200MHz @ 12-12-12-32 with stock voltage. Will not OC past 3600MHz even if I feed it stupid voltage. I have a Patriot Viper kit of 4400MHz CL19 memory in my closet but it's only 2x8GB and games/Windows uses so much RAM these days, I don't wanna downgrade to 16GB>Zen 6 vs Nova LakeI'm just hoping Intel brings something with 3D on die cache that beats AMD in some way, even if it's only more cache. I know AMD has 96MB of cache but I remember reading somewhere Intel was floating ideas of 144MB cache and MMO's LOVE that cache, so I'm going to buy the best option for WoW.
>>106541538It's likely because the 9900k just sucks at handling dual rank sticks and z390 and z370 boards prefer four slots, and not your memory sticks that are the problem. 4x8gb b-die will fly on your 9900k if you have an MSI or Asus board. Gigabyte board has problems training memory speeds faster than 3800mhzAnyway most of the gain with memory oc can be had from tightening timings like trrd_s, trrd_l, tfaw, tRFC and tREFI
So the only thing left on my build is the gpu and the bar is that it has to be capable of running mh wilds on 60fps on 1080p looking here on my third world country the 5060ti 16gb and the 5070 have a difference of roughly 70usd so what should I choose?
>>106541628At only a 70 USD difference, get the 5070.
>>106541628Why is being able to run a fundamentally broken game the requirement5070 is better value
>>106540760I like matx. It's easy to build smaller machines, but you've usually got at least one PCIe slot available for expansion needs. It also avoids the ITX tax. ATX is great, but a lot of them are built in an odd way, where populating all the m.2 will turn off all your PCIe slots, which sorta defeats the purpose of having the slots IMO.
>>106540760atx because you won't have as much clearance issues
nicotroon clitty leak melty because his brand loyalist thread isnt getting used
>>106540665Right now I'm just using a basic laptop, but when I do upgrade I want the best consumer-grade components on the market for gaming and video editing. I haven't upgraded yet because I'm not completely satisfied with the 5090's performance and the power cable being a fire hazard. The most powerful gaming CPU's AMD 9800x3d and 9950x3d lack QuickSync. That's why I think it's better to just wait for the 6090's release so I can see how it compares and determine if the higher price is worth the extra performance or if it makes more sense to settle for something cheaper. I'm hoping that Intel will release another flagship CPU that beats AMD's flagship not too long before or after the 6090's so I can pick a clear winner. AMD does not have QuickSync or something equivalent as far as I know. You may wonder why I care so much about QuickSync. Because I intend to spend a lot of time learning and using DaVinci Resolve. I want that to be a smooth experience when I finally spend the time and money building a system I've been holding off for so long. One of my concerns is that I get unlucky with the "silicon lottery" where components fail/die prematurely. I'm especially concerned with the more expensive parts. Can you conservatively estimate lifespan for the various component types assuming I have optimalized cooling? Speaking of cooling I think custom watercooling should be optimal, but I'm unsure if the extra price and hassle will be worth the potential increased longevity and performance. What are your thoughts?
>>106541730>wait for the 6090's releaselolit'll be 600W and have the same cable just like the rtx pro 6000
>Me when no one cared enough to bother even just shitposting in my bake of the general and also when I remember I way overpaid for a 7900xtx 24gb in the name of "future proofing"Getting so sick of being the loser
>>106541802You're part of the problem.
>>106541802whydo you spam that pictureevery threadwith redundantgreen text????
>>106541817Why aren't you?
>>106541735
>>106540665I picked up a RTX3080 10GB for $200 (presumably stolen). Did I make a good decision?
>>106541855If it works you made a great decision. Usual going rate is at least $300 for cards that are deshrouded or have broken ports or something.Still faster in most games than a 5060ti10gb you're solid for 1080p, 1440p you can see some issues but it's only with settings you probably wouldn't use anyways.
>>106541869im playing cronos on 3080 and it hovers around 100 fps with dlss at 1440p with the occasional unavoidable traversal stutter
>>106541730See you in 2 yearsAnd that isn't silicon lottery. SL is when you get a chip that maxes out at 5.5ghz if you're unlucky or 5.8ghz if you win the lottery >>106541746There's no way they'll fuck up again now that it's been identified that current balancing is the problem and the fix is just 5 dollars worth of components and PCB changes
>>106541735How the fuck do you get the GPU out now smart man
>>106541730>AMD does not have QuickSyncWhy do you want this again????You have to specify a budget when you talk about video editing. What kind of videos (resoution, length)? video editing itself can scale all the way up to maxed out threadripper builds with 8TB nvme drives since video encoding is very parallel.
>>106541869>Usual going rate is at least $300 for cards that are deshrouded or have broken ports or something.It's an Asus TUF Gaming OC in perfect condition. I furmarked it for a few hours and it's been great. I did have to take a friend and a conceal carry to the meet up.
>>106541897It's soldered in for extra performance
>>106541926>I did have to take a friend and a conceal carry to the meet up.Was it a nigger?
>>106541730>I'm hoping that Intel will release another flagship CPU that beats AMD's flagship not too long before or after the 6090's so I can pick a clear winner.This is unlikely to happen next year or even in 2027. Temper your expectations.>Can you conservatively estimate lifespan for the various component types assuming I have optimalized cooling?Set a minor undervolt to the processors, and they'll run cooler. The factory-fused V/F tables for the processors are slightly overvolted.The overvolts help some of the worst processor bins run stably out of the box.
just buyed this dinky little case, please validate my purchasergbtqia+ fans not included
>>106541943>Was it a nigger?How could you tell?
>>106541979>fans not includedyou fucked up mate, unless it's real cheap
>>106541926>Asus TUF Gaming OC in perfect condition.That's one of the best & most popular RTX 3080/3090 cards. You did well.
>>106542015real cheap indeed
>>106541979When did you realise you were trans?
>>106541923>Why do you want this again????Buttery smooth timeline scrubbing in realtime. Lag is annoying. Intel's QuickSync is unmatched at this afaik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video>You have to specify a budget when you talk about video editing. What kind of videos (resoution, length)? What is the best I can get? How pricey is that? I just hate the idea of finally putting together a system and learning soon after that I could've bought something else with more capacity, more functionality.
>>106541923>video editing itself can scale all the way up to maxed out threadripper builds with 8TB nvme drives since video encoding is very parallel.I was thinking of pairing it with whatever flagship gaming GPU comes out the next generation. It's probably the 6090 I don't think AMD or Intel will beat Nvidia's flagship.
>>106541973>This is unlikely to happen next year or even in 2027. Temper your expectations.I see>Set a minor undervolt to the processors, and they'll run cooler. The factory-fused V/F tables for the processors are slightly overvolted.The overvolts help some of the worst processor bins run stably out of the box.I appreciate the advice
Going by 5070ti sizes I dont think anyone is going to release a 5070ti super thats shorter than 280mm. FUCK this means I may have to change the gay little faggy case I wanted to stuff my new build inside of. anyway post your favorite mATX cases.
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>>106540665What is going on with these super cards? Is this Nvidia's new marketing tactic? >Release a bunch of cards with obsolete memory sizes >People buy obsolete cards>12 months later release a 'super' variant with the correct amount of video memory>Early adopters who brought less than a 5080 buy yet another 5000 series card.
>>106542190I'd worry about securing one near MSRP first. GL.>anyway post your favorite mATX cases.Silverstone ALTA G1M
>>106542308people buy gpus that work and are best price performancethey know super variations come at some point but since they dont live in the future that doesnt matterThey dont buy a new gpu, the people buying supers have like shitty amd or nvidia ampere gpu or its someone who needs vram for local llms
>>10654230824Gb (3GB) GDDR7 chips weren't readily available for a 24GB 5080 launch model.NVIDIA was prioritizing those VRAM for workstation cards until memory supplies improved.>Is this Nvidia's new marketing tactic?NVIDIA's refresh cards are usually a reaction against Radeon's.9070 non-XT has better performance with 16GB, so the 5070 gets a slightly better-binned chip with 18GB total VRAM.9070 XT competes very well against the 5070 Ti, so it gets 24GB VRAM5080 was initially planned with 24GB variants in mind.https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-again-teases-geforce-rtx-5080-with-24gb-memory
>>106542353whats a "24gb" chip?
>>106542359Industry convention to list a single memory chip (IC: Integrated Circuit) capacity in gigabits (Gbit).JEDEC, the group responsible for memory standards, specifies chip densities in bits.
>>106542394seems tad confusing when everyone uses 2gb vram chips terminology when talking about vram modules?
>>106542034From my simple google search of reddit answers, quicksync only had hevc 10 bit 4:2:2 decoding accerleration. The new nvidia rtx 5000 series gpus have that feature nowdays so I don't think it is important to get intel quicksync. If you want fast scrubbing of the timeline you need: pcie 5.0 nvme and lots of system RAM.CPU: Intel core 285kRam: 128 GB ddr5Storage: 4TB WD SN8100Now, depending on what effects you are doing to the video you may need a dedicated gpu.High quality footage or renders are going to be in a lossless format that has massive bitrates so storage and ram are important. https://www.pugetsystems.com/pugetbench/results/compare/PugetBench%20for%20Premiere%20Pro/23/CPU/Intel%20Core%20Ultra%209%20285K/AMD%20Ryzen%209%209950X%2016-Core%20Processor/
>>106542353The 5070ti is flat out better than the 9070xt. The super have nothing to do with that lmao
>>1065424565070ti barely works it has driver issues
>>1065424569070 XT falls behind in PT, but you'd obviously go NVIDIA for that.It's up to the buyer's preference & market prices.
>>106542439Let's say instead of the 285k I get 9800x3d or 9950x3d. How will that compare when video editing?
>>106542487You mean the driver's issues that 99% of real users arent experiencing? Lmao!
>>106542489Way I see it, it's entirely dependent on whether someone is after MAXIMUM FRAAAAMES and shit like the highest level raytracing, frame gen and upscaling shit, or if you want something that's more power efficient for wider setup scalability, still gets the job done quite well for basically anything you throw at it short of RT or games so badly optimized that they need the bestest upscaling ever. Or for people that chug 4K gaming like an energy drink and expect anything but the beefiest of the beef to keep up with no issue, and even then 9070 XT is nothing to scoff at. For the price value, MSRP or scaled up in comparison to the 5070 Ti, it's definitely down to preferences and user builds.Plus, y'know, less fuss with NVIDIA drivers as of late which are too focused on AI with the 50-series forwards over proper performance upkeep.
>>106542489I gotta wonder did amd just hope that the industry wouldnt care about path tracing, like gamers would flat out reject the technology, games wouldnt implement it and the future was raster only?rdna 3 was so far behind nvidia it was strange, or perhaps excused with amd focusing on other stuff and desktop gpus being an afterthought
Is it time to get an upgrade of RAM? Is 16GB no longer sufficient these days?
