Has apple won?I can vidya without water cooling or jet engine fans.
To be fair, there are plenty of fanless, low-power CPUs that can run Quake 3.
>>106658696get a toilet currynigger
>>106659284Wrong company Pajeet
>>106658696I have a MacBook Pro m4 and I also have a desktop downstairs with an AMD APU. If you want to just game, the APU is the better deal, as upgrading ram or anything else on the MacBook is very expensive. If you're dealing with cnn/dnn/ViT/LLM's for work, the MacBook is better.
>>106659592>AMD APUself-writing jokes
>>106659657I'm an Indian tranny, SIR!
>>106658696M4 Air is surprisingly good at gaming, I've been using playcover to sideload iPad games, mostly mihoyo stuff. And using the official wuthering waves client from the app store.I'd guess the regular m4 is maybe something like gtx 1060 or 1650 but paired with a *much* faster processor than was available when those cards were released. And all passively cooled. Its a pretty neat little package.
>>106658696Disgusting thread
Itoddlers BTFO
>>106658696>Has apple won?no.https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/singlecore?page=1you can find apple's trash on page 2 somewhere.
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>>106658696Yes but not due to the M4s ability to play video games lmao. It's the killing blow to x86 laptops in the long run but if video games are all you care about then you should be getting a desktop or at the very least something with a dedicated GPU.
>>106659853Also it has 1/10 the power draw of a system like this, feels quite weird to use. Its not the fastest gaming machine but the fact you *can* do it while on battery and passively cooled is quite novel.
>>106659853Even for occasional gaming the Air makes little sense with its ancient backlit 60 Hz IPS when Macbook Pros have had mini-LED 120hz with VRR and HDR since the M1.
>>106660292m4 is actually good at games but gaming is basically an afterthought for Apple. They don't seem to care that their budget laptop has dGPU performance. But once you go apple silicon anything else basically feels slower.
>>10666035060hz is fine and has always been fine. Its the baseline.
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>>106660382Even Apple's non-Pro iPhones are shipping with ProMotion displays today. Give it up.
>>106660302>>106660350>>106660357>>106660382>>106660394get a toilet currynigger
>>106660401All the jeets over here use ancient Androids though?
>>106660394The machine is quite capable for what it is. People are surprised at it being able to play games decently at all. There's no reason to suddenly start moving goalposts to 120hz oled. That's not what this discussion is about.
>>106660382i had 100hz in the 90s
>>106660451You shouldn't be surprised that a 2024 APU can play lightweight games, honestly. My point being that Airs haven't been impressive for video games in forever due to their antiquated display.
>>106659284Old news. M4 Max is below a 4080 Super.
>>106660490For the form factor its pretty impressive. I think you're probably being irrationally mad at apple.
>>106660224You forgot the part in windows where it crashes so you have to try compatibility mode in XP, 2000, and Vista and it still doesnt work
>>106660547>uses 50X more electricity as 4080>$5000 to barely compete with a $500 gpudo iNiggers really?
>>106660641Do they what? Game? Yes! Fap? Yes! Code? Yes! Weld? Yes! Sempuku? Yes!
>>106658696On paper it probably good enough for most shit.The problem is actual native support.Most games are still windows only. Valve's Proton only works on x86 Linux. And Wine with the gaming support stuff that Apple providies is too buggy.
>>106659284seething
>>106660151and coping>>106658696>Has apple won?for now and on silicon performance, yesand we're not even talking about how much of a meme windows arm is so even when qualcomm catches up it will still be cripped by software for a long while
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I'd get a mac if it wasn't a pain in the ass owning one, the charger always breaks and if you spill something on your keyboard it costs $400 to replace, ill stick with my sneedpad thanks
>>106659284In Apple's defense, Blender has some x86 SIMD code that speeds things up that's unlikely to be yet available for whatever architecture Apple cooked.
>>106661131When you’re housebroken and grow up, you can own a nice laptop.
>>106661145It's a GPGPU benchmark
>>106661158i forgot to mention: it's also black and thicc
>>106661055Based anon seeing thru jewish agitprop from a Pegasus employee aka OP.
>>106658696>I can vidya without water cooling or jet engine fans.No you can't. Macs don't game
im not gonna lie it's frustrating having a very powerful, latest m4 10 cores in my machine and not even being able to launch some bing bing wahoo on it, even just to see how well it will runbut alas, games are not a priority for apple and macs, never have been, and for a good reason. >>106661158lel
>>106661345You can run steam and battlenet on OSX. So no gaming… ?
>>106661013>everyone is coping except melet us know when any m series chip is on page one of geekbench.>rest of the post is just rambling schizophreniafloat back up your designated shitting street river and stay there, rajeesh.
>>106661385>and for a good reason.you need to have a machine that games developers would buy, and what the general public are buying. games developers (and many other software developers) aren't interested in investing millions of dollars into software development, when a fraction of the 8% market apple that apple command, will ever use it. >>106661397>You can run steam and battlenet on OSX.and very few games exist that support apple's OS unless it's built for it.> so no gamingnothing worth giving a fuck about. no.
>>106658696Uh no lol
Be honest. You’d have a Mac if it was in your budget. Don’t lie to yourself. OSX is top tier. I can browse the most add infected sites on a Mac and be untouched. And I don’t need nix/bsd limitations.
>>106658696This is like the SGI of 2025 all devs target Intel and AMD and the richfags can just run anything without thinking>>106660224Replace that with 35 years for windows and 50 years for linux
>>106658696I meanbait threadbut it does amuse me how often applefags go "omg the new M69420 can totally play games" and show you fucking GTAV running at 20 fps while insisting it normally runs at 40 fps in the rest of the game yet refuse to be any more specific about it
>>106659592>ViTViTs are absolutely not better on Macs than the alternative hardware, any image or video diffusion is mostly compute bound and Macs SUCK without any matrix multiplication hardware, even with M4. Only when you are running into memory capacity or bandwidth issues is doing any sort of AI okay on a Mac which is most LLMs applications. SDXL takes over 5 seconds per iteration on a Mac mini M4 running SDXL 1.0, any card at or above an RTX 3050 can manage 1 iteration a second at least. We'll see if M5 changes that but my guess is no, it's still going to have its lunch eaten by Strix Halo for anything from 0 - 96 GB outside of LLMs. Macs really only have an advantage from 16 - 256 GB RAM with unified memory before building a dedicated Intel Granite Rapids server with AMX acceleration and DDR5 fully populated surpasses it in LLM applications at the 10k mark.
>>106662647osx is a toythis my class looked like btw
Macos has no games, so I don't know what the hell are you even playing with an m4
>>106663338it has wineand no gpuso i guess its gonna be xcom, railroad tycoon, and even maybe half life the first if youre lucky
>>106661005>>106661013I don't get this comparison. The m3 ultra is about $6000, the 4070 ti super is about $800, and the 9950x3d is $700. Shouldn't the $6000 machine be a lot better?
>>106663315>this my class looked like
>>106660224Actually, Linux is just as bad, if not worse than macOS in that regard. ABI compatibility in userspace gets fucked up all the time. The kernel puts so much energy into not breaking userspace, then userspace just says "fuck that" and breaks itself every few months. Open Source is required on Linux, binaries literally don't work... for long.At least you can run software in a namespace with an entire copy of an operating system, but that makes WinSxS look efficient in comparison.
>>106664170...*what my class...i think faster than i type
>>106664250>i think faster than i typeThat should let you prepare better sentences, not worse ones.
>>106664250>this what my class looked like
>>106664261wtfi also forgot the "is"?yeah nah, then its the lack of coffee>>106664257depends on what you do with the remaining cyclesatm- its watching a video about gameplay in a game i never played or intend to play in the future
>>106660224This is extremely misleading.Linux is absolutely awful for running old programs.
>>106658696>I can vidya without water cooling or jet engine fans.Welcome to 10 years ago.
>>106664401make it 20i always ran on airand watercooling wasnt even a thing before that
>>106664131It's a bit of an apples overlapping with orange comparison as those numbers are from blender - open data, strictly in terms of rendering.So, the m3 ultra (two m3 max's stuck together) is 6k and if you double the price you get 512gb of wams (96gb base). Some time ago I vaguely read ppl were using macs to render out huge complicated scenes, albeit slower with the main benefit of stability. I say vaguely because there was hardly any comments or decent info, or examples of professionals using this hardware in this capacity.The comparison in the images isn't something i understand either as a singular benchmark isn't representative of much and a bigger flex is the sc perf of apple silicon, and again, that's a dumb metric unless it's relevant in real world usage such as a specific workflow.
>>106664570>stability???????i think you can outright reject what these people saidan argument could be said that because the execution model of a cpu is wildly different from a gpu, it makes it easier to deal with subdividing workloadsbut "muh stability" is something a nocodeshitter fanboi would saystability issues emerges from bad code.or a gpu wouldnt be sellable
>>106664570>The m3 ultra is about $6000the M3 Ultra isn't sold for 6000$ thoughthe 80 core config can be found as part of the mac studio, an entire machine, in its upper end config at 5500$would your typical 4070 Super Ti or 9950X3D system be cheaper? sureis it a beast of a CPU and GPU in an insanely small physical and thermal package? also yes (which is why I was replying to a specific retard, not saying it's the best value per $ cause it isn't, obviously)>>106664570worth noting that the 512GB version is 9.5k$, not 12k$pretty unbeatable for anyone that needs a lot of GPU memory>>106661055the poo goes in the loo, copejeetapple is the only company out there doing as much as it can on-device while you gargle everyone else's balls as they sell your masturbation timings to ad companies
>>106665138>worth noting that the 512GB version is 9.5k$, not 12k$>pretty unbeatable for anyone that needs a lot of GPU memoryno latency hiding?into the trash it goesfyi a well written kernel negates alot if not all of its computation costs thanks to that mechanismget the fuck outta here with your fucking ewaste
>>106663394I played death stranding pretty well on lowest settings in my m3 air (for 10 minutes before overheating)Still, the game support is subpar at best, tried playing the oblivion remake on my m4 max mb pro and shit struggled to teach 20 fps.
>>106666567yeah its just not the same device class as a gpuits has different capabilitiesi was being parabolicim a virulent mac hater only because of the shillingand because i had to program for macs when i was at school and that shit bit me in the ass more than once(it looks and kinda feels like linux, but the internals are completely different. +macos internals are actually inferior. like with inter process signalling but i digress...)
>>106666600>it looks and kinda feels like linux, but the internals are completely differentI think "retarded" is a better term
Let's check this retarded shit >>106666666
>>106666660gahdammiti was trying to be civil and shietalso while were at it i was specifically thinking about that.fukken posix compliant os fukken behaviour is not conform with the fucking man provided by the manufacturer itselfWHAT THE FUCK APPO4T COMPANY MY ASS + BALLSUNLESS YOURE A FURNITURE COMPANY THAT OCCASIONALLY DOES COMPUTER SHIT
