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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
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Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 12600KF budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27QA, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/
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bros.. should I use a 12V-2x6 cable to power my RTX 5070 ti or 2 PCIe 8-pin cables? Thank you desu! I think I remember hearing issues with that new 12V cable starting house fires or something. What do you guys all use?
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Why do Indians love Intel so much?
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>>106671382
doesn't pull enough power for it to matter
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>>106671383
If you hate Intel, you hate America, Trump and Israel.
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>>106671382
im pretty sure only 80 and 90 cards of the 4000 and 5000 series were affected by that
any connection should be fine, just remember to properly seat it
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If I buy an oled 1440p monitor, I have to run this software every 4 hours to avoid burn in? Wtf?
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Give me case inspo anons
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>>106671382
i have a 4090, 3090ti, and 2 5090s running simultaneously. the 4090 and 3090ti have a good +10k hours each. i got the 5090s a few months ago and they have not been as heavily stressed so i cant say anything about them, but they seem fine so far. just make sure you plug in the cable ALL the way. push on it extra hard. if problems arise, they will be within the first few weeks. 5070tis dont have a high enough power draw to really be worried anyway. its about the high power GPUs
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>>106671434
on lg theres two versions. short pixel cleaning is every 4 hours and takes 1 minute at most. every 2000 hours it takes 1 hour.
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How are sapphire motherboards ?
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>>106671529
Wouldn't that be really expensive
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>>106671529
Too new to make an assessment, they re-entered the motherboard market with B650 boards.
It might be limited to a two year warranty compared to the more common three years.
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>>106671397
what if I hate two out of three of those?
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>>106671529
pretty standard gaming motherboards. its unknown hows the long term bios support is going to be.
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>Me when I see IPS panel slop
>Also me when gaymd
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>>106671397
I hate what America has become, I hate our joke of a president, and Israel needs to stop picking fights it cries for help finishing. America can at least do better some day.
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>>106671529
i don't see them outside of newegg and aliexpress, also their price aren't competitive at all
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>>106671635
do you know of any oled that doesn't have text fringing nigger kun?
ill consider it and decide between it and the m27ua
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>>106671529
dogshit so far
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Can anyone recommend me a good 2tb nvme as secondary storage to slot into my mobo's gen3 socket? I made the mistake of buying a lexar
Not looking for anything superfast just one with a good $-to-tb value and doesn't cause in-game stuttering or randomly unmounts itself like the fucking lexar
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>>106671659
Oled is also slop. Heterosexual men use VA, miniled is 98% of oleds benefits but with no nigger-oled issues
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r8 and h8
>PSU
Don't worry about it, even my current 5800x doesn't go over 70% tdp under max load, worst case I'll use eco mode till I upgrade. Found a good deal on that 7800X3D, am I overlooking something? 1080p 144hz monitors, just games
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7yQPC8
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>>106671692
you are overpaying on the GPU and SSD, but otherwise fine.
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>>106671692
Get any of XFX's white 9070 XT if you're paying $699 for a 9070.
>Yeston Anime chan
Put a sticker on the white XFX's backplate.
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>>106671692
Very LGBT coded build, but if that's your aesthetic I guess there's nothing wrong with it other than the value proposition.
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>>106671692
This is a 1440p build. I assume the liquid cooler you already own? X3D chips don't run hot enough to justify it otherwise.
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>>106671692
If you're going for an all-white(ish) build why not get a white PSU like this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q3Nscf/corsair-rm750e-2025-750-w-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020292-na
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four 4k oled panels
highest costing intel chip, white case and peripherals with blue rgb lighting
two nvidia rtx five thousand ninety graphics cards
1 terabyte of ram
latest prototype israeli TPM hardware, not yet available to public
windows 11
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>>106671863
>intel
Fucking ruined, I'd rather game on console
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>>106671723
>>106671747
I already own the GPU, PSU and SSD, I upgraded from my 6650xt and it feels unbalanced enough to get am5.
>>106671766
>1440p
That's good, I wanted to eventually upgrade my monitors as well, and well I already ordered that cooler, I'm fully committed to the waifu build, the colors rather, I'll place some Aorus logo sticker I have over the waifu. Good to know it doesn't run too hot, my ambient temps are already over 35 indoors
>>106671832
That's a good idea, I was just being lazy but the PSU is black, can't have that
Thanks guys
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>>106671863
so fucking zased, god bless what you do supporting patriots and our greatest ally.
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How is my $1500 build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9wFsTM
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>>106671894
Looks basically perfect to me
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>>106671894
Update the board BIOS before you install the CPU for peace of mind.
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>>106671363
>PTM7950 (phase change)
where can you even buy this
real not fake
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>>106671907
>>106671925
Okay thanks guys.
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>>106671928
ltt store
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>>106671928
>real not fake
Before anyone says anything else, the listings on amazon and ebay are fake.
ltt used to have it, probably still have it idk expensive paste (including german cuck pastes) and ptm 7950 is a total meme for something you're going to just use normally anyways.
Source : Knower
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>>106671953
What about the ones sold by ModDIY?

>>106671928
Not exactly the 7950, but I'd trust Thermal Grizzly's Phase Sheet.
https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/phasesheet-ptm/s-tg-ps
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Ever since I switched to a new PC I've been getting the difficult captcha :(
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>>106671994
it goes away after a while
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>>106671894
Looks really good.
Only consideration/nitpicks would be that CPU doesn't need an AIO so you could swap it for this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120-se-d3
And save some money without having to worry about the pump out going out in the future, cooling fluid permeation and evaporation, etc.
Also lightly overpaying for that 2TB NVME ($40 saved):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f4cG3C/silicon-power-ud90-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44ud9005
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>>106671894
Why micro atx
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>>106671925
This is exactly what I dont want. I want plug and play.
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>>106671928
It's a Chinese product, you buy it from China and if you know who is who you might be able to buy from a supplier that is selling genuine Honeywell 7950 rather than an imitation which is 80%justasgood.

Otherwise you buy it from Linus.
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>>106672003
Good advice, except that SSD you linked doesn't have a lot of cache. I swapped to the peerless assassin and found a slightly cheaper 2TB SSD with cache.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y8kJKq
>>106672005
It's the cheapest motherboard available.
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>>106672010
It's recommended to update the board BIOS, whether you buy AMD or Intel platforms.
>AMD AM5: safer BIOS (ASRock) & better memory compatibility/stability (all)
>Intel LGA1851: BIOS & microcode update includes some performance optimizations
>Intel LGA1700: required to protect 13/14th gen -K CPU's from overvolting.
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>>106672018
Um Honeywell is an American military industrial complex company
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>>106672029
Looks good, I was going to touch the case considerations as that's largely a personal/aesthetic choice but the Montech 903 Max is a quality case that already comes with 4x preinstalled fans so no need to purchase an extra:
https://www.amazon.com/Montech-AIR-903-MAX-Pre-installed/dp/B0C98RRPXL/130-7807289-8527759?psc=1
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/montech-air-903-max/
~$35 Saved if you wanna go for it.
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I'm getting a mini PC (Windows 11). What remote desktop tool is good over LAN? Parsec?
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>>106672051
Seriously? No way. What is a good motherboard for 9800x3d?
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>>106672137
I'd rec a x870 msi tomahawk.
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A 240hz refresh rate : Based, or cringe?
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>>106672191
my 4k 240hz OLED is pretty based
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>>106672191
Based if you're good enough to take advantage of that higher refresh rate.
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>>106672191
Do you have a setup that actually puts out 240 frames consistently? If not, then no.
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>>106672137
MSI Tomahawk or Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX is good enough for most PC gamers.
ASUS has good motherboards too, but they're usually costlier than those two boards.
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which brand+model sells good mobos?
>>106672224
retarded question but does higher refresh rate impact performance in anyway? aka does it increase the gpu/ram load?
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>>106672245
no, your GPU doesn't care about the refresh rate of your monitor and will push as many frames as it can
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>>106672231
>>106672224
I can do 120 pretty easily, framegen will take care of the rest
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bit the bullet on the b580, I hope that you people enjoy when the b770 is announced because of that.
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>>106672183
Plug and play?
>>106672238
Cool. I like Asus but I also like Msi.
All the motherboard boards are plug and play? I dont want to deal with nerdy bios stuff. or updates
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>>106672245
>which brand+model sells good mobos?
Not Asrock. For the others pick the cheapest one with the features you want.
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>>106672328
No. No mobo comes with the latest bios. It's really easy to update and if you're capable enough to assemble the pc and install an os updating your bios is easy. Any dope can do it. Further your ram won't run at advertised speeds until you turn on your expo or whatever intel calls theirs. So you'll have to go into bios regardless. It's more intimidating than it looks. I believe in you anon. You can't half ass nerd shit.
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>>106672432
Fuck. I did the ram speed bios thing like 8 years ago when I got my rtx 2080 rig. Im too lazy for that now.
Aite, whatever, I will just get the latest motherboards that advertise 9000 amd cpus.
One of these
> MSI Tomahawk
>Gigabyte Aorus Elite
> x870 msi tomahawk
Whichever is newer
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>>106672432
Im not in the mood for googling and troubleshooting these days. Getting the Battlefield 6 demo to work on my windows 10 machine was annoying af already.
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recently put together a new rig on my old aquila case. just lookin fot advice w it. im purely casual, as i havent really upgraded from my 2080 / i5 combo for awhile.

Mostly playing baldurs and helldivers on it. wanna also take a crack at editing but idk if my cooling can handle.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TTL9gn
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>>106672473
>press whatever key to access bios
>turn expo on
>exit and save
ezpz for ram speed
>press whatever key to access bios
>enter flash menu
>update bios
>reboot
>repeat until latest bios is installed
ezpz
Don't be lazy you're wasting your own money. Just get a console at that point
>>106672507
>go to manfac website
>download bios update
>unzip to usb stick
>follow above directions

Modern bios on a decent mobo is simple. You never need to enter an advanced menu or do the ram timings yourself. Don't spend money to get the best and have it underperform because you can't be arsed. Worse to worse call a local shop to have them do it if you're that scared. You're getting gouged because it's not a skilled service or anything. But I guess it's your money to waste.

Maintenance and upkeep are the time cost of having a decent pc. If you don't take the time you'll end up with a dusty box that overheats and doesn't run as advertised. Don't let pebcak be the reason you aren't getting what you paid for dudes.
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SOON
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Does it matter if i have games and os on same nvm drive? I have whole new set of hardware but pretty much same occasional stutter.
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>>106672561
The glass panel ones look so bad lmao
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>>106672545
240hz panel seems overkill
Helldivers 2 will never reach that kind of framerate on any card I think
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>>106672569
That shouldn't make a difference, no. I have read that some games stutter if there is a HDD installed in the system but most likely it's just unoptimized UEslop.
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>>106672551
>repeat until latest bios is installed
Nta but what? Is this really how it works? I remember updooting a bios a while ago, it was stuck on a black screen and never recovered, I stood there for hours, the website didn't say anything about updating one version at a time, is this just common knowledge?
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>>106672328
if you are the same anon from the past thread, yes x870, x870e and b850 all support 9800x3d without updates
however, after further research out of curiosity:
x870 and b850 may have troubles with the 9800x3d since it wasnt part of the initial ryzen 9000 line up. some people claim it worked out of the box, others said it refused to post
x870e only doesn't work without updates with 9950x3d since its the newest one
>muh plug and play
for crying out loud just fucking use the bios flash back, shit just takes a couple of minutes
https://youtu.be/asdomsnbBb8
even if you tell me you have no other computer to do so, its still very adviceable to update the bios after your system is running
board manufactures cant predict the future to know if something will break/work before the board or a new cpu launches
plus, if one of your components doesn't work properly you wont know if its the bios or the fault of the actual components
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>>106672643
You have to figure out what bios is installed by default then update sequentially. Most modern mobos or at least you can look at the features and a lot of them will have bios flashback in case you flub an update.
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>>106672685
It was out of the box for me. Pretty sure MSI's are late enough that whatever you find now will have a compatible BIOS from the factory.
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>>106672643
No. Usually you can just flash the latest. If there is a different protocol you have to follow it is written in red text on the page you download the bios rom from.
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>>106672561
Hmmmmmmmm
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>>106672576
I have a Y70. It looks much nicer in person. It has good thermal performance too.
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How I sleep after being downvoted by AMDrones on R*ddit for saying FSR and Radeon drivers are shit.
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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/CWXRcx

My build so far, Feedack would be great!

I am uncertain about the motherboard though, maybe the GPU
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new to pc gaming and a bit confused. i mainly want to play fps games but also some more demanding single player games from time to time. a friend is currently selling his 360hz asus because he is swithcing to oled. will the high refresh be bad if i don't get enough frames in single player titles?
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>>106673244
why are you unsure about the gpu? you could save a couple of euros and get the swift model but other than that idk. however it might be worth it to go with the 7800x3d for now if you only want it for gaming.
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>>106673261
I am unsure if I should go for the RX9070 XT or whether to spend another ~75 euro for 5070Ti
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>>106673244
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xK4p6Q
you don’t need X870E motherboard for a gaming build retard also that SSD is shit and this one is less shit
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>>106671928
thermalright helios
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Is it okay to use an SN850X as the only drive with everything on it? Will it last a few years?
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>>106671363
>High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
>Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

OP is outdated as fuck
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>>106673348
was there a new generation of graphics cards released that nobody knows about?
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>>106673301
its got 600 TB lifespan for the 1TB model, if you're not doing crazy productivity stuff it'll be enough for a decade, and if you are you shouldn't be relying on a single drive anyways. Also has a 5 year warranty iirc
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>>106673373
Alright thanks
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>>106673355
High end on nvidias side is a 5080
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>>106673252
Not really no, I can't think of anything other than minor nitpicks. Every time you switch from 360fps to sub 100 will probably be a bit jarring I guess but your brain adjusts after a couple minutes playing
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>>106673412
Midrange*
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>>106673252
360 Hz means that the screen refreshes every ~2.78ms, however if there isnt any new output by the GPU it'll just repeat the same frame. Actually achieving a frame time of sub 2.78 in a game is insanely hard since theres a shit-ton of operations that the GPU has to go through sequentially, so even with the most ridiculous GPU you'll get hit with hard diminishing returns. This is generally why i think 360Hz monitors arent worth it over 240Hz, as the ~4.16ms refresh of those is already hard enough to achieve comfortably. However its not an issue if you've got it and are hitting lower FPS. It may even have an option to turn down the refresh rate to reduce power consumption, either through the display panel or windows settings.
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I miss 15 years ago when getting a game to run on your PC was already a miracle. 10 year old me would've hit his ass on the ceiling from excitement at being able to play a current-year game at all.
Nowadays? I can run any game but don't play any of them...
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>>106673525
Way too many games are getting woke and censored these days...
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>>106672114
Montech 903 does not play well with NVMe as primary drive. Your drive light will be flickering all times.
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Hey bros, got some question since I'm going to try to upgrade CPU by myself rather than driving to the shops

Do I need to update BIOS? If so, I'm currently on 2.10 version so can I go directly to 3.40 version? Or do I need to update it version by versions...

Do I go for instant flash or flashback? Does it matter?

Do I need to disable TPM for Bios update?
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>>106671894
I wonder how the Gigabyte Windforce 5070 TI will work out for you.
I'm split between that and the Asus Prime model which is about 30 eurobucks more expensive in my market but some reviews on the internet say it is slightly better (fans, noise, temps)
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>3070 base
>amazon has a legit pny 5080 for 928 usd
do i consume
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>>106673591
Flashback allows you to update the BIOS by inserting the flashdrive into the flashback USB slot and holding down the flahsback button, really useful in case your mobos BIOS gets fucked up and you cant enter the BIOS menu, but the file needs to be formatted specifically, check board manufacturer documentation. Instant flash is done through the BIOS menu, and at least in Gigabyte boards you get prompted with a file browser menu to choose the specific BIOS file for it to upgrade to, no idea about the specifics of your board but should be similar, check manufacturer documentation.
You don't need to version hop, only the current installed version of the BIOS is maintained and previous verions are wiped completely, so just go with newest. TPM shouldnt affect the update, but again, read manufacturer documentation, they'll mention if you need any specific settings before doing the process
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Reminder that anyone shilling Radeon GPUs is on AMD payroll and shilling for a company with a sub-10% market share in the GPU field lmao
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>>106673412
5080 is pointless garbage
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STOP BEING RETARDED AND JUST GET A 5070TI OMGGGGG
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>>106673655
I would never shill for them but my 7900xt works on my machine without issue. Never had an instance where I understood the hate the cards get.
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>>106673763
FSR is garbage, literally the only reason. Native rez gaming is dead due to poor optimization, and Nvidia wins by default by having the better upscaler.
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>>106673773
FSR4 is actually pretty good and definitely comparable to DLSS 3.X

t. 7900XT owner that isn't that guy
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>>106673781
Half of the AMD userbase is on 580 or 6600/XT and neither of those cards will get FSR4, right? I'm thinking it's a death spiral for AMD even if they are technically catching up in technology, because nobody will buy their stuff anymore.
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>>106672191
If you're not a competitive shooter gayman, or something, is it even worth going above 144hz? After that I think most people experience very diminishing improvements in smoothens and the hardware power required to run most modern games above 1080p and/ or low settings is very high.
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>>106673793
you're not entirely wrong but I think if they keep providing comparable performance (a la 9070XT) and actually keep working on FSR they can keep clawing some marketshare back. The only reason that I'm going back to Nvidia is because AMD aren't doing a 9080XT
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>>106673793
RDNA2 can run the INT8 version of FSR4. AMD just need to release it officially otherwise it's a pain in the ass to make it work. GCN is probably out of luck.
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>>106673812
At least AMD CPUs are really good and the platform/socket support lasts 3-4 generations. If they catch up in the future I might be going back to team red for GPUs, who knows. Not in their current state though. DLSS4 and CUDA/StableDiffusion "just working" is comfy.
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>>106673800
120 is actually enough if you're not omega competitive
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>>106673837
yeah 7800X3D and 7900XT combo has been top tier for me, official FSR 4 support in the drivers would be enough for me to keep my GPU until next gen I think
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>>106673834
I just read in a youtube comment that it works completely seamless on linux, no need to mess with drivers or 3rd party tools
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>>106673672
>>106673678
i bought the 5080 on sale
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can nvidia 10 series cards use dlss3/4?
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>>106673893
return it and get a 5070ti and a blowjob with the extra money
>>106673899
10 series can't use any DLSS
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>>106673793
>Half of the AMD userbase is on 580 or 6600/XT and neither of those cards will get FSR4, right? I'm thinking it's a death spiral for AMD even if they are technically catching up in technology, because nobody will buy their stuff anymore.
Retarded argument cause you ignore how people look into buying cards. The average consumer is just looking at the current available products and chosing based on price availability and web reviews. RDNA4 has had a really good reception so far due to FSR4 and matching the 5060 and 5070 gaming performance at lower prices, combined with nVidia gathering a lot of bad faith recently due to the 5090 cable meltdowns and dropping the ball in terms of drivers. I've been perusing all the shitty tech comparison videos i can find recently and generally people recommend a B580 or a 9060 xt 16gb before a 5060 ti simply due to price and disdain for Nvidia's recent actions. In general AMD is on the right track by focusing on fixing their gaming performance since searching "benchmark" will give you game performance comparisons first before ever touching on productivity (were RDNA4 still sucks shit compared to nVidia, only place were it isn't completely grim is game dev were eg for unreal 5 the 9060 and 9070 are only 5-10% behind their price counterparts). And even if AMD falls to 0% market share they'll keep going after the GPU market so long as the current bubble exists, too much money in it not to chase it. As for productivity, UDNA is supposed to be their big ace in the hole for that, but imo the avergae productivity enthusiast wont switch awya from nVidia, that move is mostly to have a good product to offer to large datacenters than buy thousands of units on order
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>>106673893
keep it so you can dab on 5070ti poors
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Hello just wanting to ask
>Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070, 8GB
for 140€, good price to buy ?
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>>106674093
140€ isnt much and the 2070 8gb is still very performant, for that price i can usually only find some shitty xx50 cards or rx 6500/6600 8gb which is shit in comparison. Its a pretty good deal, so long as the card is in good condition
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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000101986/graphics.html

As of September 19, 2025, Intel will be moving 11th - 14th Gen Intel Processor Graphics and related Intel Atom, Pentium, and Celeron processor graphics to a legacy software support model. Intel will provide software support for affected products on critical fixes and security vulnerabilities only. Software updates for these products will move to a quarterly release cadence with additional critical releases as needed.

IT'S OVER
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>>106674109
From the shown pictures it looks super clean and mint.
I have a good feeling + the seller is in my town so i can go and grab it.
Are there anything in geek terms i should know/ask about the card bc i'm a total noob lol
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>>106674093
sounds a little overpriced imo
i can get a 2080 for 10% less money in my shithole
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>>106674143
>geek terms
I was going to give you a serious answer but I think you should learn what you need to say yourself
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>>106674143
any actual issues with GPUs can only be discerned through a benchmark/use. If he cant do a benchmark ask him if the card has any issues with flickering, image artifacting, temps etc. Generally so long as it was never used for mining itll be fine though, GPU failures are rare.
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>>106674162
Didn't want to talk down on anyone..it's just my english is fucking bad haha
So what are the things a "pro" or an expert would ask ?
>>106674166
oh thanks ! My current card flickers at the moment that's why i need a new one.
It's a r9 270 so you can imagine...old as hell. No updates since years..
Everytime i delete the software the flickering stops but once back on it flickers.
>Benchmark
i guess he has the card dismantled allready...but will ask !
thank you !
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>>106671445
From what I have seen 4090s and 5090s have a flawed power delivery design. This means that even if everything is connected properly and you also have a good power supply then the power delivery can still be over like one rail above all others - randomly. Its a design issue which cant be fixed by plugging cables properly.
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RX 7600 8Gb used for 190€, looks in good condition and the attached benchmarks are in line with the benchmarks of brand new 7600. However the guy decided to do the retard thing and clean it out with a compressed air can, whats the chance the fans will just die ?
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>>106674217
>cant be fixed by plugging cables properly
You're 100% right. I have an Astral that measures per-pin current and a slight movement in the cables at the psu end is enough to massively swing the current distribution per pin from a balanced 8.6A to anywhere from 3A to 11A running through a pin. These 600W cards gravely requires active current balancing for them to last past the warranty period.
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>>106674217
If I owned a x090 I would set up fans to constantly blow at the cables. The chance of burnin might be slim but it is definitely present.
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>>106674218
The fans are fine. How else are you going to clean it, scrubbing with salt water?
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>>106674315
If you let the fans spin while cleaning then that can end up producing current, depending on the capacitors used and the amount of time spinning this could cause damage. Its best to clean by holding the fans stationary but you can never know if the guy did this while buying used, which is why i prefer a dusty dirty GPU (a two year old GPU shouldnt even have much dust accumulated anyways, ive got a GPU from 2018 i havent cleaned once and it only has a fine layer of dust on the top.) Anyways my main question is if modern GPUs are still at risk of the current generated by the reverse spinning of the fans.
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>>106674361
Well yes that can happen, you're more susceptible when using a real compressor at 8 bar.
Obviously the seller would mention it if the gpu is broken or the fans are bad.
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>>106674361
Autistic? You know not everyone lives somewhere that’s exactly as dusty as where you do, right? I need to dust my entire PC every couple of weeks or it looks like a tornado went off in there. Also, think I’ve been hitting every GPU I’ve ever used with the data vac for over 20 years and I’ve had precisely one fan break in that time and that wasn’t even after cleaning. It’s a complete non issue.
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>>106673940
>but imo the avergae productivity enthusiast wont switch awya from nVidia
you mean average artfag, because let's be honest that's what those people are
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>>106674594
I feel you, get yourself a compressor on battery, little one, xiaomi makes good ones
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>>106674781
I’ve been using the same (American made) vacuum/blower from data vac for 20 years and it still works like new. I do keep a compressor for tires, though.
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>>106674756
Well, AMD is much worse for stuff like blender, but at the same time a 9060xt is still better at blender than a GTX1080 but people never complained about that card not doing well with it when it came out (was the best commercial card for it actually) and blender hasnt changed much since. In many ways comparison is the thief of joy, the current budget cards can run all these "productivity" programs just fine, but some cards run them twice as fast (in theoretical scenarios most people wont encounter) Only place were AMD is behind that makes a perceivable difference is AI shit but for enthusiast use AI shit local gen is 4090/5080/5090 or get fucked :)
As an aside I really hate it how normalfags push this narrative that you need a brand new GPU for editing, fucking editing hasnt gotten any heavier in the past 15 years and people used to do that shit with GTX710s, which nowadays even iGPUs that exist purely to give you video output outperform.
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if i got a 9800x3d on a B650 gigabyte board, what are the odds of it getting rekt? i've read many posts about these cpus failing, although the mobos seem to be the issue
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>>106673940
It kind of irritates me right now that jewtubers are recommending battlemage, given how wishy washy Intel has been. They just got in bed with Nvidia too. It makes 0 sense to me. In what situation is an arc worth it, given we have no promises at all that these will be supported long term?
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>>106674892
>if i got a 9800x3d on a B650 gigabyte board, what are the odds of it getting rekt? i've read many posts about these cpus failing, although the mobos seem to be the issue
Those were down to early BIOS versions specific to Asrock only that pushed too much SOC voltage AFAIK and even they have been fixed according to recent updates. You should be fine with literally any board.
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>>106674892
>gigabyte
it should be fine
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>>106673940
that really good reception wasn’t able to stop AMDs continued decline of market share
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>>106674908
only if it's cheap enough, considering Inel gitting in bed with nvidia, they may drop whole GPU thing in a blink of an eye
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>>106674908
Intel has already said that the nvidia thing won't change the arc roadmap.
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>>106674934
we have no idea what the real market share is, it's all conjectures because companies never share detailed stats and do only bare minimum in their reports
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>>106674937
>Intel has already said
yeah, right 10nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++is right around the corner
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>>106674954
there are other ways to get a rough idea than just asking the company itself.
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>>106674908
yeah last month I was thinking of buying a sparkle B580 titan 12gb, can get it brand new for 240€ and its really powerful for the money but Intel's been so erratic lately that its very well possible they'll just drop driver support in a year or two and i doubt theres going to be any significant open source drivers for them. It only makes sense to buy it if you want a GPU for a year or two to wait till UDNA and RTX 6000 drop if you are currently on decade old hardware and dont want to buy used, but personally i like to keep my hardware till it completely breaks, but jewtubers have been essentially touting it as the budget king when people who operate on such a tight budget are always looking to keep their cards working for as long as possible, spend a buck to save a buck etc
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>>106674983
I built a system for a client with a B580 but that was before Blackwell was widely available and it was genuinely the only available option for the price. Even then, I only recommended it to him because he told me he was going to upgrade the GPU within a year or two when he got more money.
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>>106674978
steam survey is even worse, if we could cut out 100m of trashy internet cafe machines with 1060/2060 in them then it would work
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>>106674128
AMD is also moving RDNA1&2 to legacy status next year
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>>106674934
>>106674954
>>106674978
AMDs market share only got fucked up in 2022 when the AI boom begun and is largely connected to it, but even for stuff like steam it's decline is related to dropping the ball after the polaris generation, Vega and RDNA 1 were just shit, while when RDNA 2 came out the 3060 was the hottest kid on the block. Market share for discrete GPUs is a complicated subject and it generally takes a couple years of good offerings to actually see any difference in GPU share, people arent rushing out to buy a new GPU every year. Plus the low end offerings matter a lot for the pre built market, were again AMD had a 4-5 year gap were they were lacking any good offering, this is especially important due to internet cafes and the rise of fortnite kiddies that nagged their parents to get them a pc for fortnite and roblox. Essentially, if the trend set with the RDNA 4 generation continues then we'll see AMD rise in market share within the next two to four years, not immediately.
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>>106675013
Deprecating RDNA 2 is old be a crock of shit. My 6800m has more VRAM than most modern GPUs and is plenty fast for modern games at 1440p. The fact that I have to make FSR4 work on my own is pathetic and they better not abandon drivers for perfectly good GPUs already.
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>>106674937
>While we’re not sharing specific roadmaps at this time, everything we discussed aligns with and complements Intel’s existing strategy. This collaboration with NVIDIA enables us to deliver additional custom solutions that accelerate AI workloads and broaden our reach across high-performance computing segments in client and data center.

>We remain committed to our GPU roadmap. We’ll be collaborating with NVIDIA to serve specific market segments, but we’re also continuing to execute on our own path.

Do you really think that they are going to stay dedicated to a market that they have 0% marketshare in, especially considering they are gutting every single project they had and now to the peril of Nvidias IP interests? Don't you find it strange that they have been mostly silent on arc despite its aggressive cost/performance with the holidays coming up? Id love to buy an arc but every sign points to Intel roaching out on it entirely.
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>>106675049
FSR4 drops fps on RDNA2 though
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Any real inherent downsides to MicroATX motherboards besides the obvious ones caused by size constraints like looking funny, fewer slots, less IO?
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>>106675049
>>106675065
rdna2 is in the igpu chips on every am5. it will still get security updates but no more game updates like intel. this is only for windows ofc. on linux you have mesa which has support and development as far back as the 2011 radeon.
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>>106675080
No.
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>>106675065
No more so than RDNA 3, it’s like an average of 30% fps uplift in FSR4 vs 40% or so with FSR3, very usable. Plus, since the image quality is so much better, you can run at an even lower internal resolution and still get better image quality than FSR3, leading to better overall performance as well.
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>>106675105
I tried it in witcher 3, I can't tell the difference from FSR3.
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Very cursed time to be buying a GPU. Either budget thru this mess with an 8GB cuck card to "stay current" or spend upwards of 700 to a grand+ for a underpowered flagship. Either way, the games coming out are going to be horrifically optimized, and that's even if they were any fun to begin with. I might just stick with my old 1080 and ignore the fact that drivers are gunna be non existent. Fuck Nvidia.
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>>106675124
There’s a very good chance that it’s bugged in certain games, I tried in Cyberpunk and it looks a lot better, though performance is about 10% worse than FSR3 at the same quality setting. I also don’t think it looks as good as FP8 FSR4, but better than FSR3 for sure.
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>>106675153
It’s amazing what you can get a $150 2060s to do if you just butcher the resolution, serious staying power in that cheap ass card.
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>>106675153
Nah. It's fine. This is hardly underpowered or underperforming.
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>>106673525
I feel like that's more a case of you having a shit pc, which as a 10yo kid was understandable. As a 15yo, 15 years ago, I didn't have such problems.
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Is the Alienware AW2725DF still a good choice for an OLED monitor? Price right now seems amazing for what you get.
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>>106675229
>Is the Alienware AW2725DF still a good choice for an OLED monitor? Price right now seems amazing for what you get.
Yes, but there's basically no difference with the MSI which MSI MAG 271QP QD-OLED X24 & MSI MAG 271QPX E2 which both are $50 cheaper atm (it doesn't even support Dolby Vision like the 32" AW3225QF):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OtXiSNsQQM

I'd go for the MAG 271QPX E2 since it is cheaper w/promo code and also comes with USB Type C just because:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-271qpx-qd-oled-e2-27-qhd-240-hz-metallic-black/p/N82E16824475394
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Are the new 4th gen WOLED panels any good or is 3rd gen QD-OLED still superior?
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>>106675153
6800xt is like 3x more powerful and its 5 years old now
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>>106675372
3rd gen QD-OLED is still superior. I don't think WOLED will ever surpass the color quality of QD-OLED due to white subpixel dilution and worse panel uniformity. LG needs to deliver a true RGB subpixel panel but I'm afraid they've become self-satisfied with the results of the tandem sandwich as "good enough".
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>>106675153
1080 was released in May 2016; missing out on new game-ready drivers just means your relic won't stably run upcoming titles.
Your GPU is already weaker than a RX 6600 non-XT.
You can still play hundreds/thousands of games in your nine-year-old card.
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>>106675454
The problem is the crazy high price of QDOLED. I know there exist now some older panels at 600-700€ but they are trueblack 400 only. The newer MO27Q28G uses 4th gen WOLED and seems to be priced around the same, while being trueblack 500. It's not released in the EU yet, so I'm hoping it's priced around these numbers, based on China pricing.
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>>106675475
As you can see from >>106675454 and here these new True Black 500 Tandem OLEDs only have a brightness advantage when displaying pure white. During contention consumption when colors are on-screen even 3rd Gen OLED will have the advantage in color volume which is effective additive color brightness. I guess if you have a bright viewing environment or can get a good deal in your market they'd be fine.
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Been thinking of the Meshify 3 for a new pc but is the lack of dust filter going to be a problem?
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>>106675734
short answer - yes
look at torrent or northwood
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>>106675475
>MO27Q28G
wtf, is it the new tandem? why is it so cheap? it goes for $450 on order from china here
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>>106673244
stop with the x870 scam
get the same board but b850
>why
look up lane bifurcation for the x870
I seriously doubt you need 1 usb4 and if you do then get an external hub with it
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>>106675812
>is it the new tandem
yup.
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>>106672643
You don't have to go one version at a time, but often there is a minimum version you need to have before you can update into the latest version.
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>>106675812
It's a good entry point for WOLEDs at that price, even some high end IPS monitors cost over $400.
>why is it so cheap?
I'm guessing Gigabyte is aggressively undercutting LG Electronics & ASUS to win some OLED monitor buyers.
They will be hoping these buyers will upgrade to higher margin Gigabyte monitors in the future.
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>>106673278
if you are going to do other things like video editing, 3d modeling or any other non-gaming tasks that benefit from a gpu you are better served by nvidia
you could use the radeon for that, but the codecs and drivers are better in nvidia unfortunately
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>>106675890
Now I regret a little I got a QDOLED last year, didn't expect prices to drop this much so fast.
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>>106675794
What's with the obsession to remove filters on so many cases now? Is that little temperature difference in a review that important?
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How much am I going to miss HDR brightness going from a VA panel with HDR1000 to an OLED with TrueBlack 400?
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>>106675908
How much did you pay for the QDOLED? There were some 240Hz monitors priced near $500, even if you ignore the less-impressive AOC QDOLED monitor.
QDOLEDs have better overall color volume, and the new WOLEDs can hit higher brightness (within panel & monitor manufacturer's warranty coverage).
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>>106675920
you are going to miss all that smearing and VA glow
I don't use HDR on OLED, no point
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>>106675919
GN Steve consulted case manufacturers to stop adding them.
Always bashes dust filters in his case reviews, and he will share his feedback to case manufacturers during trade show meetups etc.
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>>106675938
about $540 ish, it wasn't cheap cheap, but cheap enough
I'm not getting off OLED train now, it's too comfortable to use
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>>106675949
I want to shave bald that gorilla mfker
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>>106675944
>VA glow
There is none, only some hallowing because my panel only has 300 something dimming zones.

t. used IPS for many years
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>>106673525
the people that make games and the people that play games are both much worse than 15 years ago
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>>106675954
That wasn't a bad price; the new WOLED monitors have their downsides. The new Gigabyte WOLED will also have a matte panel finish.
You need to pay a premium for ASUS' TrueBlack glossy filter to avoid WOLED matte or QDOLED glossy panels, and these monitors will cost near/over $1000.
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>>106675949
Any good reason why? It just seems like depriving the consumer of choice when they can be designed to be removed easily for people who hate them.
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>>106675976
>and the people that play games are both much worse than 15 years ago
Not true in competitive games, cheating is rampant in some shooters though.
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>>106673899
No, RTX only and driver support for 10 series cards and older ends next month

Nvidia will be RTX Only from October 2025
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>>106676004
The filters disrupt airflow, which hurts the case's cooling performance by a few degrees.
It also gave case manufacturers a nice cost-saving excuse.
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>>106675974
you are just too used to it, I put my old monitor near OLED once
you will ask yourself, the hell was I looking at all this time
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>>106673899
>>106676019
Any GPU that's not fully Shader Model 6.8 compliant is pretty much obsolete. RDNA1, Intel igpu, and GTX may support Shader Model 6.8 but not all extensions so they're not "fully compliant".
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>>106674932
Fractal Node 804
Jonsbo N5
Silverstone CS351
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>>106675080
there are no downsides besides all the downsides
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>>106676061
>RDNA1
Fucking AMD pulled an HD3000 with that one. Glad I kept rocking my 480 before going with a 6800XT. I was a button away from buying the 5700 back then.
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>>106676077
yeah same, i went 570 > 2070 even though the 5700XT was better than the 2070
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>>106675153
I remember people paying $800 for a 3060, these are good times
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>>106676087
Covid doesn't count and its consequences are still being felt on Nvidia's side.
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>>106676077
I really loved my 5700XT, 5 years of performance I needed with no issues
on 7900XT now, love it too
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>>106675052
Intel simply treated Arc dGPUs as a necessary project to learn how to make better SoCs.
If you want to supply processors to mobile PC manufacturers, you need to move on to SoCs for ultra-thin or power-efficient products.
It's also stupid to completely rely on NVIDIA's GPUs in the long run; the Arc business will be funded for iGPUs at the very least.

Higher end Intel SoCs will use NVIDIA GPUs, more mainstream products will use Intel GPUs.
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>>106676108
kek you keep buying the beta testers.
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>>106676156
I also had 390 and 1070
hate nvidia since 770 became scrap in one year.
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>>106676139
>more mainstream
AKA the celeron garbage
do they even still brand it that
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>>106676192
>hate nvidia since 770 became scrap in one year.
What did you expect? The 700 were just refreshes of 600.
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>>106676087
>>106676094
covid was some wild gpu price times. I sold a gtx 1070 on ebay for $450. i only paid $180 for it.
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>>106676218
and the 600s were refreshes of the 500
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>>106676233
>and the 600s were refreshes of the 500
No, pretty sure 500 were fermi refreshes of 400. 600 and 700 are kepler (with the exception of some 750Ti that are maxwell).
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>>106676229
It was when they finally realized gamers were just bullshitting about price complaints if it comes down to it they will pay anything. It's been nothing but price hikes ever since, shit they just raised the price of an xbox again and nobody is even buying that shit.
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What is blackwell to ada if it's the same node
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>>106676264
The $200 Xbox Series S+Headset bundle was deal of the century. Now its starting at $400+ minimum
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>>106676305
The primary change is new display controller. It's doing lots of heroics that you take for granted.
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>>106676336
These heroics are endless black screens
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>>106676305
Most of the gpus as of right now are basically just rtx 40x0 super-duper cards. There are new things added with blackwell though, so I guess check back in 4 years to see how that pans out.
>>106676336
Is there maybe like a good article or something that would eli5 what this actually means with a comparison to ada gpus in actual games?
I have already skimmed through the white paper
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do i get 2tb G-Drive for 100$ per year or get an Samsung 870 EVO SATA SSD 2TB for 200$? ( it needs to be a sata ssd cause im out of slots ). Need something to store gamedev, artstuff, references, images.. and other garbage with quick access. my last 870 ssd died after 4 years
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>>106676387
870
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>>106672191
Based like 120 Hz. Perfect frame pacing for 30/ 60 or 24 Hz content.
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>>106676387
if its high importance stuff that you dont need to have particularly high speed access to then getting a couple of cheap HDDs and setting up an array will be best for that type of data, if one HDD fails the others will still have the file backed up, if somehow all fail then file recovery is easily done as compared to SSD recovery from failure
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>>106676062
Thanks. I actually probably could get a server case, I'd just put it on the floor or something instead of in a mount.
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>>106676346
Radeon went through the same thing with 7900XTXs new display controller.

>>106676380
You can read various sites that shill Blackwell architecture

>The display and media engines in the RTX 50 series have also been upgraded versus Ada. The RTX 50 series support DisplayPort 2.1 with a UHBR20 data rate of up to 20Gbps, to enable high refresh rates at ultra-high resolutions, with HDR visuals. The RTX 50 series also features high-performance, hardware based Flip Metering, which shifts the frame pacing logic to the display engine, to allow the GPU to precisely manage display timing and accurately pace frames at high framerates and when multi frame generation is used.

Connecting multi high displays, frame generation without input lag, HDR without color banding or performance loss, multi plane overlays, a lot of this stuff is handled by fixed function hardware besides the 3d GPU cores themselves.
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>>106676556
>Connecting multi high displays, frame generation without input lag, HDR without color banding or performance loss, multi plane overlays
Does RDNA4 do these?
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>>106676576
RNDA can barely handle any multimonitor without needing 200W
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>>106676589
After 4 iteration, I think AMD finally learned how to fix that crap.
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This is likely a dumb question, but if I play vidya on one monitor, and browse the internet/watch movies on the second one, would I be better of plugging the second one into the mobo instead of the gpu?
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>>106674908
>In what situation is an arc worth it, given we have no promises at all that these will be supported long term?
In a situation where you don't want to pay more than $250 for a GPU so your only other current gen option is 5050.
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i know its bad but i need to buy a gaming laptop for 600 to 800 dollars, what should i look for?
any good models?
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>>106676894
You can always try it out and see the difference for yourself.
It should have fewer glitches associated with having two monitors running at separate refresh rates, etc.
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>>106676979
You're fucked at that price point, you'll be lucky to find laptop GPUs that run better than a 5050.
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>>106675377
bough a 6800xt for 290$ a month ago
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>>106676979
you're only choice will be 5050/4060 shit
you might unironically be better off buying an ROG Ally if it's primarily for gaming at least it'd be far more convenient if not strictly as powerful
And really, at that price point the laptop is not going to be good at gaming by any stretch. But of course it'll depend on your needs
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>>106676979
>>106677059
4060 is alright. I have a friend that owns one and he can play practically anything with DLSS.
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>three 120mm stock fans up front
>have five more 140mm arctic fans
how to arrange fans in this case?
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>>106677093
4060 or a laptop 4060? Two different things.
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>>106677184
We're talking laptop. For $800 there are no miracles and the 4060 is... decent.
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>>106677166
I would just swap to one fan size(140mm), if not
>3x bottom intake
>1x rear
>1x top rear
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>>106677278
>I would just swap to one fan size(140mm)
so three up front, one rear and two up top?
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What are the best looking miniITX (ormicroATX) small desktop cases? I like the Fractal Design Terra in Jade, but is ther anything else comparable? I've seen some Midori case from Japan, but it's expensive and not super available.
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I have a SATA slot in my motherboard that I'm currently using for an old HDD.
I mostly use it for installing games, but most modern games load a lot of resources on demand instead of pre-loading them, and the lag of a HDD isn't great for that.

Is it worth replacing it with a SSD? Or are SATA SSD shitty too?
Maybe I should just upgrade the NVMe card instead.
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>>106677358
lian li a3
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Any info on when it drops? Basically have most of components already just waiting for a case.
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Ahem :
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>the 5070 TI performs almost 20% better on Silent Hill F than the 9070 XT
did nvidia finally start paying unreal engine 5 devs to optimize unreal engine 5 games after the borderlands 4 fiasco?
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Should I get a 9070 xt or wait for the 9080 xt?
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>>106677352
If you have five, 3x front intake 1x rear exhaust 1x bottom rear intake
If you have six, 3x front intake 1x rear exhaust 1x bottom rear intake 1x top rear exhaust(this one isn't really necessary)
Bottom intake is pretty nice for your gpu.
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>>106677416
Maybe whatever engine version Mafia and Borderlands were on just happened to be super rdna-friendly if pc optimization was bad?
>>106677425
Neither. 5070 or 5070ti
Also 9080xt isn't coming
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>>106677370
A SATA SSD would be a miles away improvement.
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>>106677439
>Neither. 5070 or 5070ti

But I don't want the nvidia overhead
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>>106677439
Is very weird though because when you compare them using TSR you get the usualy results like this one >>106677413
but DLSS4 VS FSR4 the nvidia card gets around a 20% extra boost on the nvidia side
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>>106672696
>then update sequentially.
This is bullshit, what kind of FUD is this general trying to push?
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>>106677472
Are you seriously buying a 9080 XT to play at 1080p?
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>>106677472
Not as big of a deal as it's made out to be, if you're playing only esports you should de prioritize a big gpu anyways.
For ue5 games, I think Daniel Owen is the only one who sees these massive stutters only on Nvidia, probably an issue with his setup.
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>>106677416
Silent Hill 2 / Dragons Dogma 2 favors Nvidia
Resident Evil 4 / Wuthering Waves favors AMD
It goes both ways
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>>106675153
I don't see the prices and value of new cards, especially Nvidia, improving. If you Wait™ long enough before upgrading, even the overpriced upper midrange cards will be a good and worthwhile improvement. Basically to counter their bad prices just upgrade less frequently.
I'm also now on a GTX 1080 but I'm looking to upgrade so I can play a few newer games and old ones at higher settings and frame rate. I'll also be good for at least 8 years with my new rig. For context I'm on 1440p 144hz but if I was on 1080p and on a lower refresh rate I would probably keep my GTX 1080 longer. I'm not even worried about game-ready drivers because I stay away from modern AAA slop.
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>>106677561
Yeah but in those cases you can see the difference on raster which means that the performance is down to those games being able to utilize the extra bandwidth and the bigger L2 cache nvidia cards have compared to AMD which use infinity cache ( which funnily enough is the reason their cards usually do better in recent UE5 titles as that works really work well with nanite and lumen) in this case silent hill F is a unreal engine 5 but it's somehow the first one were only DLSS4 is absolutely turbocharged in terms of how much performance is boosting which makes me wonder what the fuck did they do.
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>>106677618
Nvidia/AMD can replace the DirectX shader bytecode in their Windows drivers to be more friendly for their GPUs for specific games. This is the whole point behind "Game Ready Drivers".

On Linux you can see the performance without the mask.
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>>106677663
There is no mask though, we are talking about gains that were unheard off on lumen/nanite games.

>4K 9070 XT FSR 4 Performance 66 avg fps
>4k 5070 TI DLSS4 Performance 85+ avg fps
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>>106677370
If your motherboard has M.2 slot that supports PCIe, you should get a PCIe SSD. If not, SATA SSD is still a huge improvement over a HDD.

And it's less that SATA SSDs are shitty and more that PCIe is better and costs the same.
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>>106677497
It's how I did it anon. If you just apply the latest patch that's fine. It's the same just fewer steps. I don't have the cash to afford being sorry so I'm careful. If it's placebo I can live with that.
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>>106677436
thank
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>>106677413
Why does Silent Hill F run basically the same as SH2 while looking worse with no hardware lumen?
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>>106677789
It looks like a PS4 game, thank the Taiwanese devs.
Probably for the best, they would've fucked up the performance with better graphics.
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>4090 is now a 1440p GPU
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>>106677789
Have you niggers still not learnt that gamegpu peddles fake benchmarks
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>>106678060
Why do people call gamegpu fake again? This looks like the difference you'd see with a different test location, line up is basically the same
>>106678060
>>106678087
And if anything tpu looks fake as fuck with that 1080p benchmark
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>>106678087
post proof of gamegpu faking parts of their benchmarks.
It being a Russian website does not count as proof, I don't care about your euro sissy seething about the great bear.
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>>106671363
>PC Building General
hot box in OP pic related
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Day28 FAFO'ing with the G80SD

>my laptop just crashed for some reason and I got a unable to find boot drive or some crazy shit like that and it was stuck on some bios boot error and it scared the shit out of me that my shit died or got the ssd windows meme bug
>9-10minutes into starting monitor got black screen again for more seconds than briefly like before yet again
>spending money on shit and I am too poor again
>I need a job again
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Opinions on this build? Country is Italy.
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>>106678359
Looks good.
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>>106678359
I would double-check the case & motherboard compatibility for the Arctic AIO.
The thick radiator can sometimes cause fitment issues.
https://support.arctic.de/lf3-compatibility
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>>106671659
>m27ua
the 27" 4k 240hz qdoled panel is the only option and as good as it gets, like xg27ucdm
that ips panel vs that panel is 3x the cost so it better be better
you are comparing an ultra budget ips vs top of the line so

>>106672191
more hz more better

>>106675153
a b580 is like 225€ with bf6 that is 70€ which means its a 160€ gpu
it's either that or you buy a 5090 and stop sloppin
gpus are literally fine

>>106675372
they have better black leves due to less raised blacks with the new tandem memes+truegloss
which is better than the old non tandem meme + truegloss even
and better purer coating than the plastic qdoled
but worse in fringing pixel density and color
you also have no 27" option still in 4k

>>106675475
>crazy high price of QDOLED
they are literally cheaper across the board though

>>106675920
buy an oled tv

>>106675944
>no point
oof

>>106678168
they extrapolate the data
it's literally said some where on the site
why the fuck do people post data form that shit site? you have to mentally handicapped
they don't even own any hardware lmao
feel free to correct me
not like you can talk sense into retards posting here anyway
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>>106678240
Based ITX is a trap.
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>official miku pc
>now an official miku keycap set
Is she really that popular?
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>>106678741
An ITX board would probably suit my needs most, but I'm still on an ATX.
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is it worth it to get the 3090 for ml/ai stuff and also 1440p max settings for gaming? the 24gb vram would really help. was first gonna get the 5070 ti for these since a used 3090 does go for around the same price as the 5070 ti which does suck but yeah. usa btw
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>>106678826
yes if your needs are taking it up the ass
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>>106678628
>they extrapolate the data
Well show of that then proof then. Literally no one can other than linking to a reddit post with a nigger going "dude just trust me"
It's not like their benchmarks are worlds apart from everyone else.
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>>106678840
I meant having to move the computer to different locations multiple times a week. I don't see how being a homo makes ITX a logical choice.
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>>106678856
>Well show of that then proof then
please of forgive my first language is hebrew
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>>106678834
>1440p max settings
lol you wish, that's 5080+ territory
you WILL use DLSS if you get a 3090 or equivalent card
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>>106678921
yeah i'd use dlss, or just high settings not max
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>>106678943
Sounds like a plan! The only remaining concern I'd have is the price - here it's about 600 euro used, which is the price of the regular 5070 brand new. The 5070Ti here is around 900 euro.
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>>106678768
It's just Mickey Mouse for people that like anime.
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>>106678965
ah yeah, im trying to find a $500 to 600 usd used 3090, but right now all im seeing is around $700 to 800 for the 3090, which is kinda iffy since 5070 ti is also going for that price, sometimes cheaper, so i am leaning towards that one
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>>106678628
im >>106671659
the xg seems pretty nice on first glance and thats about as much as im willing to pay for a monitor
other high end ips panels are retardedly expensive or non existent were i live
will the xg27ucdm be good for my use case? (video editing, editorial design, gaymin)
rtings say theres fringing on the windows but I could probably live with that, the text fringing is what gives me headaches
or are there other monitors that would be better in the same price range? im willing to give the oled you recommended a chance since it has that feature of turning off when you are away from the screen, I hate the latent risk of burning which is why I was set on ips panels
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>>106678990
Decide if large AI models that need 24GB VRAM are more important to you than gaming performance, I guess? The 5070 Ti is definitely faster than the 3090 in games.
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>just found a deal that could have possibly meant that I could have gotten a LG G5 55" for 1450€ (current price 2700€ btw)
>sold out and prices changed
it's over

in other news
>the LG C4 42" is now at an all time low again at 680€
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>>106678856
>go do my errands!
I'm not browsing that god forsaken dog shit site even once again
go look it up yourself if you give a shit if you actually are reading real data or just some fucking russian extrapolate shit tier data
I don't give a shit
I just say it's shit and move on with my day, I already solved the problem before, I'm not gonna stay here and educated retards for 0 value, shit posting is hard enough
I prefer spending my autism points elsewhere

>>106679019
>rtings say theres fringing on the windows but I could probably live with that, the text fringing is what gives me headaches
qdoled w/ glossy can be harsh with the eyes, entirely depends on how sensitive you are and if you feel problems
maybe you can get over it or not if you find it a problem, 32" would be worse, 27" is better
some people reported the 27" is better
I can't say if you can tolerate it or not, if it's bad your only option is to get woled instead to try it, or try matte and see if it's better
32" woled would have more fringing but different type of it so who knows
too many variables to say

>or are there other monitors that would be better in the same price range?
all the other ones are either same price or more, msi (worst oled care, might be tolerable now though), samsung (ultra matte), alienware (had big problems+fan?)

>turning off when you are away from the screen,
seems like a useless feature and might be buggy

>I hate the latent risk of burning which is why I was set on ips panels
burn in won't happen in one time though it's more like burn out and an accumulation over time of the same pixels being worn
if it happens temporarily it's just image retention
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>Overpaid 30$ for a case so I could take advantage of other deals.
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at first i did not like the idea of chiplet gpu but after trying one I can see the magic behind AMDs design. it just works with chiplet CPUs. its like they know what to expect when paired with each other and you get more perf than you would say intel + nvidia.
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Trying to make a white build with a 14600K intel cpu and I cannot for the life of me find a white B760 (or Z790) motherboard. EU based btw.
No but seriously where the fuck do I find any?
I can only find white motherboards for the 1851 socket.
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Should I get a new 1080p monitor if I have the 5070+9600x combo? Upgraded because I wanted to replace my 10 yearold monitor but this setup runs like a dream on 1080p 60fps. Max out every game and the gpu fans are at 0% most of the time pc completely silent. I'm gonna miss for the first time in my life having a premium setup. Should I just get a new better 1080p monitor with higher refresh rate and all that crap or am I doing myself a disservice by not going up to 1440p?
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So looks like Nvidia will shut AMD out of OEMs by leveraging that they can only pair Nvidia GPUs with Intel CPUs on laptops and desktops.

Guess AMD are going to be self build or server only from now on. They might even drop out of consumer chips entirely if they can't sell them to OEMs though, desu.
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amazing
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>>106679466
Or I just take the AMD pill I guess, I found out that white motherboards are actually available for Ryzen CPUs
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Is the MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk pretty good? It has everything I need but just wanted to check the reputation here
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>look at random video review on the trueblack ayysus woled
>not even trying to look for it
>so I guess the woled monitors actually have diagonal dithering too?
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>>106679172
ok anon ill consider your oled wisdom, i still dont feel too good about it but ill do more research to reach a conclusion
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>>106679466
yeah, ryzen has way more white power mobos
almost all the back connection boards are white for amd even
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>>106679709
white boards do like getting it from behind
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>>106679700
are you sure you were not looking at 1440p on rtings too
what is there to feel bad about, if you are comparing a 300 bux ips (might aswell buy gs27u also its even cheaper) to a 1k oled
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there's finally a product listing

https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/info/computer-chassis/flp02/

but where buy???
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>>106679492
A 1440p 240hz monitor that's a year or two old second hand is going to be roughly the same price as a new 1080p 280/300hz monitor. If you're fine buying used I would just do that
If you're using dlss and mfg both of these targets are pretty easily done
Also if the monitor is va (and a high refresh rate) the trick is to just use bfi instead of gsync.
>>106679466
>white
I'd give up on that and just buy a regular blacked z690/z790 board second hand. Maybe prices are different in europe but in my mind having to buy a new board outside of sales kind of destroys the entire point of buying lga 1700 as of right now.
I have a black motherboard with white everything else and I think it looks better this way honestly.
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How do I download a girlfriend?
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>>106679492
1440p is the sweetspot. games look crisp on it and it's just as easy to run as 1080p nowadays especially on a 5070. don't forget that dlss quality at 1440p is around 1080p or thereabouts anyway so in the worst case you can just use dlss4, while having 1080p-like performance, but at better than 1080p quality (looks basically identical to native 1440p).
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>>106679773
I'm sure there's many dickgirl neets on this board that would be more than happy to move in with you in exchange for food and shelter.
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>>106679520
There weren't that many laptops with AMD CPU with an NVIDIA or Intel dGPU to begin with.
No one cried foul when Apple picked Intel & NVIDIA as their sole CPU & GPU suppliers before Apple decided to make their own chips.
AMD never wanted the lower-margin mobile market; they never made a mobile GPU that's good & power efficient enough to capture the high-end segment.
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After owning an am5 platform for 5 months i think the most annoying fucking shit is how terrible amd is at making usb work painlessly

eevery day i boot my computer random usb devices are not working until i do a full restart

never had this issue on an intel system
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RED ALERT STEAM IS DOWN

was typing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSTmeZXHWyk

Throwback video, gamersnexus reviews the 6950xt, which cost $1250, and which was to compete with the 3090 ti.
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>>106679919
still working for me in europe
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>>106679925
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>>106679520
oem cartel was already (((theirs)))
they are afraid and cant let antisemitic micro devices grow too big
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>>106679827
i moved to am5 for the first time from intel and everything works fine. i have a wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, bluetooth dongle and a wire for a controller plugged into either the rear usb ports or the ports built into my case. no issues at all. i have an asrock motherboard.
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>>106679934
>>106679925
oh, improving...
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>>106679943
>asrock
well you might not have usb issues but you will have something else happen in due time
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>>106679959
i don't have an x3d processor and don't plan on getting one. i have a 7600.
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>>106679937
AMD is the one being jews about the die size of their APUs, that's why the costliest Ryzen 9 "AI" is only paired with a "8060" GPU.
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>>106679970
its not the cpu dying its the motherboard killing cpus
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>>106679975
it's 100% the 9000 CPUs, AMD never did explain what the performance issues were that made them delay their launch
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>>106679947
>>106679937
back to normal
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>>106679988
Regardless, just avoid x3d stuff unless you are a soopergaymer
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>>106679975
nobody knows what the culprit is but we know it only effects high wattage cpu's. even if there was a hypothetical issue with the voltages across the entire range of cpu's, the 6 core cpu's are too energy efficient to kill themselves with excessive voltage because they sip power. i have a -15 PBO offset on mine too.
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>'AMD is totally sending their best APUs'
These mobile PCs easily cost over $1400 btw.
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>>106679827

Just wondering what mobo you have? I had the problem once with my usb speaker but then I disable the power management on the usb controllers in Device manager and no problem so far. Only been a few days though.
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>>106680093
X870E-E. It's the mobo with a fuck ton of usb ports. Maybe I shot myself in the foot getting it. The most annoying thing is my corsair fan controllers use internal usb headers. Half the time i boot it's missing like half the fans. I have to restart when that happens.
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>>106679971
GPU wise it's shockingly good for something using DDR5
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How come gamgpu benchmarks are completely different to the ones in techpowerup
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>>106680081
>140w
>small form factor
What's the problem?
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>>106680106
It's a low bar, and doesn't justify the price.
This isn't even a laptop.
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>>106680125
>he boughted an apu
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>>106680122
The problem is that there isn't enough competition in these PC SoCs where AMD is getting away with an "8060S" GPU for a high-end APU.
The status quo is shit.
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>>106680125
what the fuck is a quad 8k screen lol. it's like thy tried to fit as many buzzwords as possible into the product description
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>>106680151
>>106680151
>>106680151
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>>106680104
How many other devices are connected to the USB ports? I used to have my keyboard, mouse, speakers, game controller and usb storage all connected to the rear IO usb ports and my speakers sometime dont wake up. Since I disabled power management and moved my wireless mouse dongle and usb stick to the front the problem seems to go away.
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>>106680125
this is the future of gaming, these early machines are just establishing a market presence while ironing out bugs and shit. valve are releasing a home console and apparently 3rd party machines can support steamOS. same for next gen xbox. asus, lenovo etc will be shipping these in windows and steamOS variants like they are now with handhelds. prices will drop quickly you'd think as more and more market segments open up.
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>>106680163
Guessing it's saying the PC is compatible with 4x 8K displays.
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>>106679492
you are insane if you buy anything other than 4k in current year
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>>106680175
Chinese GPU designers will stop being a meme in the future, and they'll flood Chinese & other Asian markets with entry-level gaming GPUs.
NVIDIA and AMD know this is a matter of time, that's partly why they don't give much shit about selling good $200~300 cards.
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>>106680195
Dont have the budget and the 5070 is too weak for 4k. I already have 4k TV if I want to play something in 4k sometimes.
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>>106680202
you'd have to think owning a pc building business is a tricky business considering how many components you're having to deal with and all the manufacturers of those. these APU machines save them a lot of time and money.
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Why does amd tend to hang at idle when ram speeds are too high? You'd think it would be under load.
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>>106680214
>5070 is too weak for 4k
it's more than enough for 4k if you utilize dlss. if i can run 4k easily on a 4070 then a 5070 will be even more capable.
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>>106680175
>valve are releasing a home console
Because Valve needs their customers to upgrade their hardware to be able to play new games on the Steam Store, better if it's away from Microsoft.
PC gaming has become increasingly cost-prohibitive.
It's about their bottom line.
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>>106680175
>this is the future of gaming
I also see it this way. This covers what more than 99% of people need and is better than what most people already have. I'm looking forward to a minipc being able to handle all the gayming I can throw at it. Office staying nice and cool in the summer.
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>>106680175
it'll never be "the future of gaming" because there's a very notable segment of gamers who treat fps as a score counter instead of a realistic performance metric.
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>>106680224
And how many system integrators lined up to buy those Ryzen AI Max chips?
AMD could've sold more affordable gaming APUs if they were intent on servicing that segment at least five years earlier with RDNA2.
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>>106680240
I tried that and it's ok. However I see dlss as a last resort to squeeze one or more year out of the card not as a baseline.
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>>106680252
obviously, but also because there's an untapped market there. we're finally getting the pc console people have been asking for since forever.

>>106680255
we're in the age of the "forever game" like fortnite and shit. these games aren't going away any time soon and they're the biggest games in the industry which 50%+ of gamers play. and those games are getting increasingly easier to run. so these mini-pc's are easy money. easy to sell to consumers too as an all-in-one package as opposed to a pc with a bunch of components that most people don't understand their way around.
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>>106680281
give it a few years.
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>>106680302
>we're in the age of the "forever game" like fortnite and shit.
Yes, it's very similar to how normals can do all their computing on a smartphone. We're just bumping that up a bit to a preconfigured box that does all the computing/gaming they need.
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>>106671397
Shut the fuck up cunt say googbye to your precious intel nvidia and AMD because when Trump is done none them will be around anymore including microsoft do fucking understand do you because i don't think you know what he's about to do remember Nvidia was envolved with epstein same with AMD and intel along with Microsoft it's all connected to Mossad NCSWIC
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>>106676576
Nvidia fucking doesn't so what the fuck are you going to mention next dickhead just shut the fuck up cunt



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