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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 12600KF budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27QA, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/
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(repeating)
Why does amd tend to hang at idle when ram speeds are too high? You'd think it would be under load.
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>>106680237
High like out of the box high or you were OC'ing too high? Sounds like it's not stable nevertheless.
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>>106680237
you dont need to be under load to get memory management errors. it can happen during memory training or using your browser.
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>>106680284
Is it realistic to try to get 3600 on am4?
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My Power A Xbox Controller has started drifting and the deadzone was off-center, It was a decent controller and it lasted me for some years, but i guess the drifting is inevitable with these joysticks

Is the Cyclone 2 the best controller for the price at the moment? or is there something better for cheaper? I use the controller mainly for Racing, Emulation and Adventure games,
Im looking for TMR/Hall effect Joysticks and triggers, with mechanical buttons and the cyclone 2 seems like a good choice.

Max budget is 45-50USD. Store of choice is aliexpress
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>>106680151
Whats /g/'s opinion on getting a used rtx 4070 ti super?
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>>106680151
>4000D FRAME
FRAME 5000D is out now
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>>106680365
It depends on your CPU. Ryzen 3000+ can do 3600cl16 no problem. If you have Ryzen below that you will struggle above 3200-3466.
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>>106680383
It depends on the price and your region's 5070 Ti price.
It would be a good buy for $600 in the US.
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>>106680381
i got the flydigi Vader 4 pro last year on the 11/11 sale for around 40-50 bucks
it has tension adjusters on both sticks and each trigger can be changed on the fly between analog and single press
i dont know the latency of the Cyclone but the Vader has like 10ms latency wireless and 8ms wired if you are autistic enough about that
other than that its been pretty good to me and really durable, the extra buttons below abxy have been more useful than the back buttons but those are alright too desu
there was a gamesaar or 8bitdo that was comparable but I forgot the name
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Intel sycophants, if your chips are so awesome why did the american people and nvidia need to bail them out financially? Seems like if they were doing such a good job that wouldn't be necessary.
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>>106680433
>Intel sycophants
No one in /pcbg/ is like this, at least not since Error Lake's release.
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>>106680433
Intel is awesome on paper but they don't have the fabs to compete against TSMC/AMD.
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it finally arrived
im going to buy the rest of the parts until late October
heres the build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ttM9MC
its for video editing and gayming
the psu is only 30 bucks more compared to most 1000w psu where i live, i know thats the most sketchy part but might as well in case I upgrade in the next gen
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>>106680481
>RMx shift
>one of the best regarded "regular" PSU
>sketchy
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>>106680426
I'm trying to decide between a 4070 super ($628) and the 4070 ti super ($825) as I think the extra VRAM would be better for 3D work and make the gpu a little more future proof though that doesn't mean shit nowadays. A new 5070 ti goes for $1125 in my shithole by the way
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>>106680433
>14700K
>$300
>28 threads
>9800X3D
>$450
>16 threads
idk intel seems pretty awesome to me
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>>106680504
Get the 4070 Ti Super if you're going to use the extra VRAM for your paid work.
I'd get the 4070 Super 12GB if the modeling work is just a hobby.
You can sort of cope with the 4070 Ti Super's pricing, considering a new one cost $800 MSRP in the US.
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>>106680522
stutterlake
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>>106680603
it doesn't stutter on my machine
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>>106680603
9800x3d is way more inconsistent in your own screenshot though?
If anything it's AMDip
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>>106680421
Am I going to have to nudge up the voltage?

x570 board, 5900x cpu.
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>>106680490
I meant the amount of wattage, I know i dont need 1200w and could probably go as far down as 750w
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>>106680671
how many sticks? single rank or dual rank?
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>>106680621
>>106680668
I grabbed a random 10 months old screenshot. It's probably not even relevant today.
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Anyone here use the MSI MAG X870 Tomahawk or have any thoughts on it?
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>>106680237

ram temp too low?
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>>106680522
No one wants more than 16 cores anyways, and that’s for Ryzen 9 buyers who also don’t even need it or should have just bought threadripper instead. Gamers only give a shit about 8 core CPUs right now, idk why you think some 28 thread intel abomination is a positive.
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>>106680741
>No one wants more than 16 cores anyways
more cores is always better (until you're giving up single core performance)
>Gamers only give a shit about 8 core CPUs right now, idk why you think some 28 thread intel abomination is a positive
because you're building a personal computer, not a game console
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>Me when the $400 hard drive arrives dead
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>>106680764
>more cores is always better
Unless you’re paying for something you’re not using, which is what most people would be doing with 28 threads
>because you’re building a personal computer not a game console
An 8 core CPU does every serious workload that someone who doesn’t need a thread ripper will throw at it because most of it is GPU accelerated anyways. 28 threads on consumer parts is just a complete waste right now. That’s why like 8/10 of the top selling CPUs right now have 8 cores or less.
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What did Nvidia mean by this?
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>>106680838
>Unless you’re paying for something you’re not using
absolutely, but $300 isn't much
intel has better prices now
>which is what most people would be doing with 28 threads
most people would be better off with a PS5 and a macbook
>An 8 core CPU does every serious workload that someone who doesn’t need a thread ripper will throw at it because most of it is GPU accelerated anyways
i didn't know i was only allowed to run serious workloads on my PC
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>>106680883
The white paper says it's the perfect entry point, not just the entry.
It's just repeating what most average PC builders were saying all along: they don't want to sell good $200~400 video cards to gamers anymore.
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>>106680883

is 70 series look at tensor cores to get idea of game image block performance
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According to 3D Mark these are bargains.
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>>106680707
>temp too low?
Is that a real thing?
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>>106680603
>double the power for less performance
LOL!
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Can anyone tell me the difference between intel 12600, 12600K and 12600KF is? Many thanks!
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Well, the time has come.

I've got to get a new PC.

It's been ten years since I built my current one, and I don't even know where to fucking start. Help me, /pcbg/, you're my only hope.

>State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
UK. I was thinking around £2k but I could go as high as £3k if I was persuaded it was necessary.

I guess my biggest question is how much do I have to spend on a GPU? I was thinking that with a new PC I could finally get into the whole AI thing you young whippersnappers are always talking about nowadays. For, er... pictures. And videos. (and, genuinely, some non-porn related things). But I have no idea how much of a difference there is between GPUs. I was thinking £750 - £1000 was a sensible budget range but if the next price bracket was a big step up I could go higher. Likewise, I don't know if there's a difference between GPUs that are optimised for AI and ones optimised for gaming.

Same again with the CPU. If I'm going to be running fairly intensive generative AI, how much of a difference is a higher-end CPU going to make? I was thinking in the £250 - £500 range.

As for the rest, I'm not too bothered. I was thinking a 1TB SSD and 8TB HDD for storage, 64GB RAM, a generic case with fans rather than any fancy water-cooled system. I've drawn up a very rough preliminary build on pcpartpicker.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XJbwWc

I don't expect a full item-by-item breakdown, but if you see that I've cheaped out on something I shouldn't have cheaped out on, or picked a brand that sucks or has competitors that give the same for cheaper, I'd really appreciate a heads-up.
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>>106680945
jew, jewer, jewest
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>>106680945
K=unlocked so you can overclock or undervolt or whatever you want, also usually faster by default
F=No igpu
You want the 12600k or 12600kf + a z690 or z790 board
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>>106680952
>1tb ssd
>8tb hdd
Why not just grab a 4tb ssd? Get a bigger hdd later if you really need it. Also not sure about bongland prices, but if you're paying msrp might as well get the newer card.
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>>106680962
>>106680956

thank you friends
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>>106680952
Forget the 4080 super, get a 5070ti
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Is optiscaler easy to use
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>>106681025
you ever use reshade in your life? its literally same install method but different shortcut key.
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>>106680979
>Why not just grab a 4tb ssd?
Primarily, redundancy. I don't like putting stuff on the cloud, especially with the new AI monitoring; you never know what Bongland police are going to take issue with. If one of the drives fails I have the other as backup.

>>106680984
>>106680979
So the 50 series is a worthwhile step up from the 40 series? Good to know, thanks.
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>>106681107
https://proton.me/drive
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>>106681107
I guess, but if you're buying something solid like a samsung ssd then I would be surprised to see that fail. It's your build, so I hope it works out. I just don't think an hdd is necessary unless you're hoarding, and I don't think you're hoarding with 8tb.
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>>106681107
>So the 50 series is a worthwhile step up from the 40 series? Good to know, thanks.
As I know it the 5070ti is a better buy than a 4080 or 4080 super with the way pricing is in the United States, and as I know it pricing in the UK is overall pretty similar so...
If you're really serious about ai you might want to ask on a subreddit or other general or something. Think a lot of people try to get a used 4090 or something for a reasonable price.
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>>106680381
Heard good things about the Gulikit ES Pro. Mine is still in the mail right now but that might be one worth looking into. You can get it on AliExpress for cheap.
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Is the Silverstone GD08B HTPC worth the price? I've never bought a HTPC case before but it has everything I need.
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>>106681025
its drag & drop
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>>106680952
In the UK, you can get a used 3090 for £500-£600.
It gets you 8GB more VRAM than the card you have on pcpartpicker, and it's about half the price. VRAM will be the bounding factor with running AI models, not benchmark scores. If you have to drop VRAM to get a later generation card, it's a poor trade.
Do not listen to people who distrust used cards. The one video LTT ever put out that has been valuable to me is his tests of used GPUs, showing that they were not any worse than new ones.
There is no difference between an "AI optimised" card and a gaming card at this price point, except that you'll be paying more for the AI card.
You do not need a good CPU for AI at all. Almost all of the work gets offloaded to the CUDA cores. You are massively overpaying for a CPU if you stick to your list.
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>>106681191
So Samsung is good for reliability? Noted.

>I just don't think an hdd is necessary unless you're hoarding, and I don't think you're hoarding with 8tb.
I actually have quite a large collection of pictures and videos (genuinely, not porn. Well, mostly not porn). I'm trying to future-proof this build and I could see myself going over 4TB.

>>106681196
This is exactly the kind of advice I was looking for, thanks.

>>106681188
We don't have a 5th amendment here so the cops can compel you to turn over encryption keys.

There's no security like being able to microwave any potential evidence.
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>>106681317
What does it have that you need and think makes it worth the price?
Usually these cases cost more because they can hold weight on top of them without buckling, like the rest of an AV stack. If that isn't important to you, you might be paying for something you don't need.
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>>106681233
>>106680429

thanks for the suggestions frens, i will research them and see which is better for what i need.
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>>106681404
Two dvd drives for ripping discs and lots of 3.5 bays for raid mass storage. I also like the shoebox form factor.
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>>106681386
Thanks. If I drop down to a cheaper CPU, would it be worth putting that extra money towards a 4090? £1500 is right at the top of my budget for a GPU but I'd consider it if there were benefits.
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>>106680365
>>106680671
My 5900X does 2x16 dual rank sticks at 3600 no sweat. 1.1V SoC, 1.35V RAM.
Only problem is as soon as I try going any further than 3666 it starts throwing WHEA no matter what I try.
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I found a bug in Wayland. They make it pretty hard to report the bug. I wonder if I gaf
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>>106681522
I would advise against it personally. It's the same VRAM, and of models that can fit in that VRAM the 3090 produces tokens at a high enough speed that you'll likely be happy. More tokens per second will be faster than you can read and you don't get more VRAM, so there isn't really an advantage I can see so a 2x-3x price increase. Don't slip into consumeristic urges for no real gain.
If it were me, I would either save the money, or put it towards more storage space (AI models are not small), though the HDD market is a mess in the UK right now and rife with fraud, possibly everywhere. Just know that if you're looking at a "new" drive on Amazon there is a very high chance it is a used drive with SMART values reset. They comingle stock too so even if the seller you're looking at is upright it doesn't mean you'll get the drive they're selling anyway.
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>>106681811
Super helpful, thanks
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>>106681854
absolutely PRIMED
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WAOW CHINKS ARE GREAT CODERS

(you can rape bilibili's servers quite easily)
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>>106680481
Enjoy your blackscreens and driver issues you dumb retarded faggot your mum should have swallowed to produce a child as retarded as you
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>>106680952
theres nvidia supers coming in q1 2026 with 24gb vram which enables using larger llm models
so for your use case wait for 5070 ti super
llms that work mostly in vram dont tax cpu that heavily soo you could get away with a 9800x3d

get 2tb nvme ssd
that amount of ram is fine if your llm app actually uses it, otherwise 32gb would be fine for gaming
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>>106681929
uh oh, radeon-troon meltie...
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>>106681953
>he boughted walking in cyberpunk gay trash city simulator
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>>106681953
Ignore that. He's just mad someone got to buy the GPU he really wanted while he's stuck on his 9070xt for the foreseeable future
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Which one should I get?

Samsung G50D
or
ASUS TUF Gaming VG27AQ3A

They are priced kind of the same.
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>>106680151
Whoever made this is an absolute legend and I kneel
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I get blackscreen resets on my 5070 Ti but ONLY on desktop with a browser (Firefox) open and ONLY after MPC-HC had been running for a bit beforehand and ONLY once in a blue moon. Not a single interruption during any game, so it is very courteous. What kind of strange hang up is going on in the background that would cause my GPU to blink given those conditions?
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>>106682149
G50D has the better stand if everything else is similar.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Yvb3w
I built this around mid to late 2018. I bought what was considered top tier for gaming at the time and really spared no expense. The CPU I had sent out, delidded, liquid metal, re-lidded and the entire build is in a custom liquid loop. Dual pumps, dual 480mm radiators, etc. The hard drives all report they're in good health and I have no problems with anything being broken. HOWEVER my gaming performance is quite shit. The 1080Ti just doesn't seem to be able to give me the grunt I need anymore and SLI/NVLink is seemingly all but dead. I am looking to upgrade to a new PC but was wondering if I have to. I.e. can I keep my existing PC as is and just swap in a new GPU or something? Would I be heavily bottlenecking something like an RTX 5080/90? I intend to upgrade to a fancy new monitor with all the bells and whistles, not sure if I want to go ultra wide or just go 4K. Either way I know the 1080Ti (esp only 1 of them, I have the 2nd one turned off 99% of the time now), is not going to cut it.
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>>106682378
obviously you need to update the cpu to 9800x3d if you go to a 5070 ti type gpu
ddr5 also gives slight perf boost over ddr4

32" 4k qd oled monitors are standard for high end these days
or you could go for 500hz 1440p tandem oled
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>>106682393
damn does Intel really have no answer to AMD 3D? I've been Intel forever and last I remember AMD they were shit. Would you say the 5090 is "worth" the money? I know it's stupidly expensive, but is it a large enough of an uplift over the 5080 TI Super ultra giga super edition or is it just memes (4k gameplay). Like back when the RTX 2080Ti and Titan were a thing, the Titan was a huge waste of money.
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>>106682428
intel has no answer to x3d cpus for gaming
5090 is fine, but not very high on the perf per dollar ranking.
5070, 5070 ti are best for that
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>>106680151
The hours this must have took
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>>106682428
they are prepping novalake cpus with big LLC to compete with x3d
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>>106682463
ill care when i see the stellaris simulation time performance.
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>>106682473
it'll probably be disappointing IMO since they're not stacking caches vertically but laying it horizontally and that will require tradeoffs like relaxing the timings or lowering the clock target which worsens latency
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>>106682448
>>106682463
Hmm. Any idea of when that release date is? I don't mind waiting as my PC still runs fine and I can just turn down settings for now, but I'm not looking to wait another year. Also does new hardware really warrant custom liquid anymore or are air cooled variants of modern GPUs suffice? How about CPUs? I only went custom liquid because my current GPUs and CPU I have overclocked to their very stability limits for performance reasons, but it seems everything new comes out of the box at like 99% of its capability already. If I need liquid, I could essentially just get new blocks and put them into my existing case/radiator setup but if air/mainstream cooling is sufficient because overclocking is dead, I'm just going to build in an entirely new case.
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>>106682481
i don't see how their latency could get much worse, it's already horrendous
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>>106682488
projected for late 2026 but going off intel's recent history, probably being delayed to early 2027
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>>106682428
>>106682378
Intel has no answer but regardless you would be replacing everything in an upgrade anyhow. Just start with a GPU upgrade and see how it works out from there. The PCIe is 3.0 but it'll still work alright.
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>>106682500
yeah nah fuck that, too long
>>106682525
it's a hassle and a half to drain my entire loop, disassemble so I can run a new GPU, reroute the hard line runs I have so I can cool just the CPU, then find my system is running like shit. Just going to build all new.
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>>106682448
>perf per dollar
All that matters is uplift per $, for you.
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>>106682449
Mr. AI, plox do the links thingy with (url). example format (thread example) uwu u da bes
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zQTPC8

Anon with the 8th gen and 1080Ti build here. I got sick of all the lights and shit I got in my current PC long ago. From reviews it looks like the 5090 is really expensive but actually does give large uplifts at 4k. I want as little extra lighting as possible but more importantly, as little associated software to control it all as possible. The double mechanical drives are because I keep a lot of stuff. Video recordings of my gaming/games, large music collection, movie collection, etc.
>inb4 build a NAS
No.

Friend helped my choose things like the SSD, RAM kit (apparently 6000MHz at CL30 is the ultimate sweet spot for these AMD CPUs?). Any red flags. The monitor I just chose because it's
>LG
>OLED
>32"
>4K
Any reason not to get it?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WP22PJ

wrong link. I was originally going to move the 4TB over and get an additional 4TB for backup, but I'm seeing that I'm almost full on my 4TB and external. Might as well go big now.
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>>106682599
4gb isn't big.
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>>106682605
correct which is why I swapped it for 2x 26TB drives.
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>>106682605
>>106682599
*tb
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>>106682614
26TB seems to be the largest I can go that isn't Seagate. I've had nothing but bad luck with Seagate drives.
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>>106680151
Is R7 7700 a good CPU?
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I've got whole new set of hardware but stutters are still here.
What i didn't change is monitor and ethernet cables.


Could anyone test some of this games, preferably with msi afterburner frametime graph to see if it's a software and not a hardware.

TF2C(Your hardware should pull at least 150+ fps on medium settings in 24 man matches)
WoW(Wotlk, like old 3.3.5 client, warmane have the most population for stress testing in main cities, but i've got stutters in the middle of nowhere too)
Minecraft(this pack https://rewindmc.com/)(probably need to disable some mods like flamingo, ears and disable numenu tweaks)

The stutters occur randomly and is identified by big spike in a graph.

Turn off everything in msi afterburner monitoring tab and only enable frametime(also switch to show text + graph in the menu)

Play like 30m to 2hours and list your os(w10 or w11), specs in pc part picker and any tweaks you've done with your installation.

>just install linux
I did try CachyOS and PopOs on old setup and got same stutters.

I have nothing running in background, no discord, no browser, no services except windows ones.
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>>106682599
You can save money on the SSD. Unlike every other component the speed increase from the latest and greatest here is unnoticeable to consumer, non-enterprise users. A 990 Pro for a main boot + game drive is the highest most consumers will go. Use an X870E if and only if you need that many devices connected to it simultaneously. If an X870 board provides a boot status code LED that can be nice to have over a B850 that doesn't.

>Assrock
Choose any other manufacturer. They are still burning AM5 chips.
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>>106682858
Not to say that there's nothing wrong with your setup but the three games you've picked are prone to stuttering by nature. TF2 less so but big matches, not to mention mods, can change that.
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>>106682947
>>106682599
fuck no, dont get an x870e or x870 anything, those pieces of shit are the biggest scam this gen. Look up the lane bifurcation of boards, plug in the nvme in the wrong slot and boom, you just kneecapped your gpu or your other nvme. 90% of people are gonna not make use of the stupid ass usb4 (fake thunderbolt) which takes away 4 lanes from the cpu, only msi was smart enough to split the lanes of that and the second nvme but I've read posts claiming msi boards have instability because of that lane split
just pick a b850 board
and yes avoid any and all assrock, it will explode your 9800x3d
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regarding the rest of your build
>storage
the other anon is right, gen5 nvme is a meme right now, the only people that truly benefit form it are video editors due to the fat data they manage, even for them gen4 its still good enough. For everyone else, its a marginable upgrade at best, and at worst youll get a spicy nvme cause gen5 heats up more than gen4, lastly the pricing is horrendous for the amount of storage you get
>ram
corsair has dogshit modules and the heatsink in the vengeance is ass, get a kingston fury beast.
And yes, for am5 the best ram is 6000mhz cl30, any other combination and youll have to manually tweak it to make it fully stable without guarantee of it working properly
>psu
I think that one is pretty good, there was something about using it in single rail but other anons can chime in
>case
personally, id go with the meshify 3 or the lancool 207
>aio
im extremely biased against liquid coolers unless they are custom loops. im going to go with a nh d15 chromax for my own 9950x3d, but you do you. I believe there have been anons that used a peerless assassin 120 se for the 9800x3d, just saying.
>monitor
the monitor schizos are usually active 8-12 hours from now. Good luck finding the right monitor, youll need it
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>>106682811
The best.
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>>106682811
looking to get the 7700 or the x model for my AM5 build, pair it up with a decent motherboard, and after years when all AM5 cpus come out and the industry moves on to the next platform replace it with the best AM5 X3D model
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>>106683136
New Gigabyte x870e X3D boards are also doing same thing as MSI, ie. they allow splitting lanes between usb4 and m.2 slot
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>>106683186
then why are you buying an x870e if you are going to disable the usb4. Shit is a waste of money
being more honest, x870/e boards look nice, and most have improved heatsinks as well as double thermal pads for the first nvme for gen 5. It's just a colossal waste of money if you are gonna end up disabling the usb4 and make them glorified charging ports
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>>106683030
I mean they run ok but sometimes out of the blue there is a sudden, massive drop.
And i think cooler gets louder after this for a short second but i did extensive testing and cpu, gpu clock didn't drop a hz, and so is the temperature.
I thought it could be wireless mouse but no.
Maybe it's a power strip?

To rule out schizo theories i need external data.
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>>106683136
>lane sharing
Looks fine to me. Just buy worthwhile brands.

>manual tuning outside of 6000mhz cl30
That's inaccurate advice. The recommendation is the ceiling. A person attempting to save money can make do with <6000 >30, a person attempting to buy the very best can go for ==6000 <30. Either will work just fine out of the box with their default Expo setting.
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>>106683287
could start testing with only wired components and disabling wireless services that you don't use
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>>106683287
That sounds like a software issue. Log the time and check Event Viewer, scheduled tasks, etc. Could be shader compilation but AFAIK all those games are pre-baked (mods might change that). Those games are all hard single threaded too so it may be a scheduler conflict - monitor per-core utilisation. Sorry I can't be of more help but the only game on that list I have is modded Minecraft and, yes, it does occasionally stutter. Though on my pack (FTB Infinity Evolved) the cause is usually obvious like loading in a giant factory or hundreds of dropped items.
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>>106683339
I'm on w10 right now.
Should i switch to w11? There was a ssd corrupting bug or something like that, was it fixed? I have 980 pro.
CPU is ryzen 7600.
>it may be a scheduler conflict - monitor per-core utilisation
Is there anything that shows usage per process? Like process explorer only displays colors and not actual metrics or i didn't tweak it right.
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Why are external HDD enclosures so expensive? I just want somewhere I can chuck a bunch of hdds for storing movies and shit.
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I'm going to build a separate PC for a very specific task, PowerPC emulation with Qemu. I need a benchmark program for single thread performance comparison.
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>>106683405
The SSD bug only affected HMB drives so yours wouldn't be hit. Your CPU is also single CCD so the updated scheduler shouldn't make a difference.

>Is there anything that shows usage per process?
I don't know, sorry. I guess you could try messing with priority/affinity to test the hypothesis.
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>>106683420
>a bunch
Yea price of multi-bay enclosures is crazy and they all have these retarded raid chips that are guaranteed to randomly brick and make your data unrecoverable.
Entry level NAS can cost less and offer more.
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>>106683460
JBODs, used HBAs and ZFS is best in slot desu
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9070 KINGS WE FUCKING WON AGAIN
5070 TI AND 5070 NVIDINIGGERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELD KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF
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Would a 3060 12GB be a good upgrade from a 1070 8GB?
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>>106683641
its super weak
youd want 3080 at minimum
or 4070
5070
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>>106683641
That's barely an upgrade. 3060 is about as fast as a gtx1080
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>>106683580
>7900xtx already slower than a $600 GPU
Zikes
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>>106683749
isn't that good? new stuff should beat the older gen at lower cost, 4080 beating the 5070ti/5080 in some benchmarks is just embarrassing
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>>106683801
good if you got a 9070xt
bad if you bought the 7900xtx since it will affect your resale price
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>>106683877
but that's the point of technological advancement
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>>106683580
Good thing I bought a 5090.
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>>106683580
>turns on DLSS Performance
>you turn on FSR Quality
>my 5070 looks better and runs better than your le 9070 XT (eXtra Transsexual)
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>>106683641
if you're upgrading from a 1070 then i'd recommend upgrading to another x70 card like a 4070 which is what i did. but a 3060 isn't bad. it'll last longer than a 1070 will right now because of the 12gb vram and also it supports all the latest dlss and will allow you to play games with mandatory RT like some UE5 games. so if you can get a good deal on one then why not.
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>>106683580
why is the 5090 the only card able to play games at acceptable framerates?
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>>106683641
What processor are you wanting to pair your new GPU with?
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>>106684378
A stable 40fps is enough for me
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>>106680151
Aren't Intel CPUs better for gaming now? Why do people still shit on Intel and shill AMD constantly?
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First proper day of gayming on my AOC miniled. Results are in:

HDR is a meme. Tried it in RDR1, almost got my eyes burned out with transitions between bright areas and night time. Why would anybody do this to themselves? Doesnt really look better anyways, its just weird.

Local diming works fine, but you pretty much have to manually turn it on for gaming and off for desktop use. If your leave it on in desktop, it dimms the dark areas (like dark theme websites) too much and blows the fuck out of bright areas (like non dark theme websites). Its hard to get a consistently pleasant brightness with local dimming.

OSD controls are an absolute ass. Like how in the flying fuck did they fuck up so bad in "current year". Small, unresponsive, hard to press, five of them in a row with no haptic difference between them. Sucks especially since as I mentioned local dimming doesnt work well in set and forget mode. If somebody knows how to make aoc desktop OSD control app make work, give me a shout.

Stand is meh. Great ergonomics, tilting and height adjustments are a breeze, but it wobbles when you press OSD buttons and it protrudes too much in the back so the whole monitor ends up more in your face than it needs, especially if your have shallow desk.

On the up side I havent noticed any VA smearing at all when casually gaming and colors of the panel are beautiful. Also amazing contrast and truly inky deep blacks.
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>>106684573
the new ultra series is much worse than the AMD offerings for gaming specifically, although the 12-14th gen i5's are probably the best budget CPUs you can get for that purpose
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>>106684604
>Cheap лoc
>MiniLED
>HDR sucks
no wonder
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>>106684285
>looks better
Dumb tranime cat poster. Enjoy the flickering. Kys
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>>106684695
why does FSR4 look so much worse here?
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>>106684695
dlss has better colors i see
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>>106684768
All 9070xts with 2 clicks in adrenalin can be undervolted to 250 watts with no performance loss
Kill yourself
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What are the most important things to consider in a build if you want to be able to emulate games? Will pretty much any current gen CPU perform fine?
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>>106684849
5070ti can be undervolted to use less than 200W power and still run faster than a 9070xt
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>>106684857
as long as you're not using some billion core workstation thing you should be fine, and even that won't have too too much of a performance penalty.
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>>106680603
> 169 Watts
Grim
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>>106684476
will this be okay? i followed the sticky...ish
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>>106684693
You misunderstood me. Im not criticizing aoc for bad HDR implementation, im criticizing HDR in games as a concept.

I heard OLEDs with gloss finish are even more eye-searing if anything.
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>>106684573
For me, I like the upgradability that AM5 promises. Both are solid options and I can't fault someone for going Intel for price/performance. In terms of performance, AMD has an edge with X3D right now as well. As to why people shill? Same as always. Shitposting and cope.
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>>106684604
just use SDR and set brightness to max and change game color to 12 in the OSD game settings. i also use gamma2 for a bit of extra brightness and shadow detail but i play competitive shooters so it's a preference thing
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>>106684915
Set brightness to max? And harness the full power of sun?
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>>106684947
in SDR the max brightness is like half or 1/3rd the max brightness of HDR.
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>>106684890
how can you judge HDR from a bad HDR implementation?
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>>106684890
In some games it's better to use AutoHDR or RenoDX instead of the native HDR. Cyberpunk for years had god awful HDR that required mods to fix until recently. A lot of UE4/UE5 are better modding in HDR since their HDR only affects the 3D render but not 2D elements like HUD, Font, Pictures, etc.
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>>106685213
1. Unplug everything
2. Make loops to bind up the extra cord length
3. Zip-tie it all in place
3. Plug everything back up.
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Day29 FAFO'ing with G80SD

>LG store patched deal where you could get -15% extra discount on top of already discounts
>considered trying the 42" meme
>I waited from yesterday to today to reconsider a C4 42" for cheap
>should have found this deal out when the G5 55" was in stock
>guess I am forced to buy a S95F 55" on black friday to have fun
>another day another cope
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>>106684604
>HDR is a meme. Tried it in RDR1

>>106684890
im criticizing HDR in games as a concept.

Because you're testing HDR in poorly mastered content (sadly most games).
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>>106685459
>Day29
Are you keeping that monitor?
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Just installed my new 5080 and msi afterburner recognizes it, i've installed the newest drivers, but once i select it the program just crashes?
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>>106685026
because there aren't enough good implementations of it. for the end user it's irrelevant if it's the fault of content, software or hardware.
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>>106685569
Uninstall the old Afterburner and get the latest beta version.
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/msi-afterburner-4-6-6-beta-7-with-mp2988-and-mp29816a-voltage-controllers-support.457788/
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>>106685577
Watch HDR-supported movies or series.
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>>106685577
>>106685590
Bad implementation will have bad results, nothing can fix that.
Only good HDR is newer OLED or bigger MiniLED TVs.
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>Bought Chinese case fans for reasons
>Smells like it was fresh out of the factory mold
>A pungent plastic smell
What do I do now? Leave it out in the air?
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>>106685582
That worked, sweet thanks
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>>106685213
"no"
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do you even need to undervolt the 5000 series?

they seem like they run colder as the two previous generations
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>>106685614
it's a fan, it will air itself out
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>>106685582
what a hideous interface the beta has
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>>106685621
You don't need to UV anything. It's just bonus performance or efficiency.
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>>106685582
are there no other application for tuning the gpu? thought each of the aib has their own
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Jesus christ, with extreme settings at 4k this Card just shits out performance
This is nothing compared to my 3080 good lord
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>>106685629
You can use the classic interface though.
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>>106685659
AMD manual ocs in their driver panel just like Ryzen Master. Nvidia panel only lets you do "auto oc" which is gay as hell thats why you need Afterburner.
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>>106685511
>people are too retarded to tune HDR themselves with SpecilK and result to Reshade plugins (that never look as good as DIY)
lol
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>>106685687
was thinking more of asus gpu tweak (which looks just like msi afterburner) or zotac firestorm
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This UV looking okay? I'm running heaven at max in the background for about 15 minutes now
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>>106685629
The UI tab gives you options to change its appearance.
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>>106685737
it's all silicon lottery, also could use something like mhwilds benchmark, that game dislike aggressive uv, so if it could pass on that game it shouldn't have any issue
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>>106685774
Good idea will do that
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>>106685737
Synthetic benchmarks are bad as stability tests for GPU UV/OC.
You can only be sure it's working as intended if you try multiple pieces of software.
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>>106685737
925mV is a power-efficient cap.
The sweetspot is between 900~975mV, depending on how much performance or efficiency you want.
Raise the core voltage slider to at least +210MHz, these RTX 50 chips have decent OCing headroom.
+240~255MHz core offset is a realistic, stable limit for some 5080 bins.
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>>106685547
my return window is longer, idk, I keep swapping back and forth if it's worth

>>106685026
isn't it dependent on where they put the black floor in games? some games have raised black floor and idk about highlights if they can fuck that up too
for movies and shit depends on how much they are mastered for, if they aren't even mastered for 1000 nits is it even hdr? idk

>>106684604
>HDR is a meme
me first time I tried hdr also I told you to buy the oled meme
>Doesnt really look better anyways, its just weird.
isn't the whole point of hdr to bring out more detail
if you AB test between sdr and hdr and you see that everything is blown out in sdr or lacking detail, you will understand the whole point, SDR looks like ass in comparison

now I never tried out that VA or VA in HDR because obviously I'm not a peasant
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>>106685795
Alright!
>>106685797
I honestly just want to push the wattage down as far as possible without sacrifing performance and at longevity
Not too keen on OCing honestly but i'll test those settings
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do you 5000 users check your psu and gpu cables regularly ?
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>>106685834
Should we?
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>>106685824
>push the wattage down as far as possible without sacrifing performance
You need the GPU core offset OC if you don't want to sacrifice performance.
+210MHz is almost guaranteed stability for most RTX 50 chips.

If you own 3DMark, the DLSS feature test is the most stressful benchmark because it's an RT test that also utilizes the tensor cores (DLSS + [M]FG).
Speed Way stress test is 2nd after that (Raster + RT load).
You shouldn't crash on any rasterized games if your OC passes these two tests.
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>>106685817
Based.
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>>106685671
5080 is a teeny tiny gpu tbf, its die size is comparable to a 3060ti/3070/3070ti and not to a 3080/3090/3090ti. nvidia seriously pulled out all the stops to profitmaxx on everything below a 5090
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>>106685877
i mean yes?
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>>106685909
>die size
No point comparing die size between chips made by Samsung & TSMC, especially the fake 8nm used for RTX 30 cards.
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>>106682597
>6k system
>8tb worth of hdd
just stop being poor at that point and buy an extra 8tb nvme

>Any reason not to get it?
it has a fan, it has CPC unless LG patched it in recent firmwares aka convex power control aka corner dimming aka vignetting, it has a plain worse 480hz scaling mode compared to asus variants, it is matte, no kvm

the direct upgrade would be XG32UCWMG for the glossy coating or the older pg32ucdp from asus for matte

or get qdoled variants that have better colors, less fringing allegedly, but worse black levels in daytime

or get a TV for actual HDR
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>>106685878
Downloading now thank you anon
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>>106685921
tsmc can make big dies too. gb202 is the largest consumer die right up there with tu102, also tsmc made
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>>106685943
If you're running the DLSS Feature Test, I would set Super Resolution to DLSS Quality or DLAA.
I would only set 8K output resolution if your card can natively render those frames at 30 fps.
The test runs twice (native first, DLSS afterwards).
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>>106685984
I'd leave it at 4k maybe
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>>106685957
You're missing the point; Samsung isn't capable of matching TSMC's transistor density.
That's why RTX 30 cards have larger GPUs; that's why the 3090/Ti had a smaller performance gap to the 3080/Ti.
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>he bought a housefire card
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>>106686001
but you absolutely can compare the die size within a generation and get a rough estimate of performance and power draw based on a consistent perf/w profile of similar uarchs on the same process nodes
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Just completed it on Intel Arc.
Nvidia invests into Intel.
Im worrying.
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tv makers like samsung, sony and hisense seem to be banking on that new RGB LED tech. not sure what it means for OLED but its worth noting that samsung isn't putting their QD-OLED at the top of the range but an RGB LED instead. and sony who used to always have OLED as their flagship tv has moved back to LCD and the 2026 flagship is an RGB LED like samsung.

my take: this is the beginning of the end of OLED. we'll see a rapid decline after this, just like plasma. microLED is about 5 years away too so it's heading that way regardless.
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>>106686025
5080 is not a housefire card in any measurable metric, even in RT.
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>>106686041
You're not describing Samsung "8nm" 3080 vs. 5080 with a custom TSMC 5nm chip.
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>get hired to analyze drone imagry
>have to use personal PC
>recently forced upgrade because previous build was running windows 7 and i’m a normie
>cpu: 7600x
>ram: 32gb
>gpu: rtx 750 ti (i don’t play games)
>case: fractal design something
>a 150 acre field takes 21 hours to process
>need to process another 4000 acres

gpu is the obvious bottleneck. I’m going to present my processing times to management and request the company to buy me a 5090 and a new power supply. I’ll be running this card under full load for long periods of time. What’s the optimal case fan setup for pic related to optimize airflow and card cooling?
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>>106686083
since you can't wrap your head around indirect comparisons let me spell it out for you
>3070 - not housefire (392mm2 ga104)
>3080 - housefire (628mm2 ga102)
>5080 - not housefire (378mm2 gb203)
>5090 - housefire (750mm2 gb202)
see a pattern?
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remember to install github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse if your multiple displays setup has even remotely different DPIs
you'll be very glad you browsed /pcbg/ today and found it
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>>106686107
Except you're completely ignoring the difference in power characteristics between chips made by Samsung & TSMC.
There is a reason why major mobile chip makers use TSMC foundries, including Samsung Electronics.
You are a retarded third-worlder.
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>>106686123
you dont see pattern? ok, better to hide behind fancy words that dont matter in this case
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>>106686068
i don't quite understand why it doesn't pull it's full tdp limit amount of power in unlocked framerate scenarios, only during rt load where it pull additional 40w
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>>106686136
>fancy words
Comparing the energy efficiency of a process node isn't hiding behind fancy words for the average PC hardware enthusiast.
The 5080 is almost twice as energy efficient compared to the 3070 in TPU's benchmarks.
To spell this out for the retard like you, it means the 5080 needs far less power to match the 3070's maximum performance.
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>>106685774
>mhwilds benchmark
Ran it, max setting with FG at 4k and it ran without a problem
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Just got the Koorui S2721PM and honestly, for an IPS it holds up pretty well contrast-wise to the VA KTC M27T6.
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>>106680151
FRAME 4000D RS if I'm not interested in the modularity and customization of the case?
I just want a case with a window, no or minimal rgb and good cooling
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>>106686610
Meshify 3 with tempered glass & non-RGB option would be my choice. Pricey, but it includes three high-end 140mm fans (Momentum).
The top panel only supporting a 280mm radiator could be a deal breaker, but this is good enough to cool a 9800X3D.
https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-3/black-tg-light-tint/
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>the longer I wait the more expensive my hypothetical PC gets

When do I start to win waitchads?
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>>106686739
CPUs, RAM and motherboards are cheap as fuck right now.
Only GPU prices are retarded.
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>>106686739
aren't zen 4 octa cores like $150 now?
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>>106686761
The point of waiting is to get the next gen cheaper not last gen.
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>>106686773
next gen doesn't exist yet and it's going to be expensive. the newest 6 cores used to cost $300 in zen 3 and 4 days
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>>106686773
Not happening.
Zen 6 will be expensive because it will probably be the best CPU for a while.
Intel's Nova Lake is more likely to be another stepping stone generation.
AMD and NVIDIA are expected to use costlier nodes for their next-gen GPUs.

The sweet spot for DDR5 speeds might be raised with Zen 6's improved memory controller & interconnect.
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>>106686193
>>106685737
Superposition 1080p extreme is harder to run than any 4k game besides 3dmark speedway.
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>>106686853
How about 1 hour OCCT variable?
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>>106686055
>forced fed lcd slop until you die because they earn more money from it
how is laggy lcd slop gonna compete with self emissive for gaming anyway? it's impossible
even more so when the panels will all be smeary laggy va sloppers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4wWmT9fZEY

>>106686739
you won't get any better performance
you now have to earn enough money and buy into 90-series
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>>106683580
>9070 KINGS WE FUCKING WO-ACKK
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>>106686872
It's not stressful enough imo, but it will catch some really bad OCs.
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>>106686872
I prefer real tests that you can see on screen because you can see artifacts and stutter in real time. Occt and Vulkanmemtest are too synthetic
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>>106685737
Cyberpunk with pt
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Why are the recommended PSUs for high end GPUs so oversized? Is it just Nvidia covering their asses for fires, consoomers chasing meaningless high numbers, or some real reason? I have a B-tier 850W PSU, why wouldn't it handle a 5090 when paired with a 105W CPU?
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I'm currently using an asus vq248qe would upgrading to a LG ultragear 27GR83Q-B be a decent upgrade? don't want oled cause I have to use some static stuff. I mainly play fps games
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>>106686887
OLED's will be around for 5 more years probably, but after microLED comes out it's game over. MicroLED is better than OLED in every way and is self emissive anyway.
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>>106686976
Because Intel CPUs exist.
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BFI>VRR.
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Does blue light filter fuck with color accuracy? Should I use it?
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>>106686976
It's about manufacturers covering their asses, and the recommendations are likely based on a lower-end PSUs that's in some prebuilt PCs (plain 80+ or bronze units).
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>>106686983
There's not even an affordable 65" or 75" microLED TV yet; they're still stitching LED tiles together.
27/32/37/42"microLED monitors are at science fiction status atm.
https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/micro-led/89-class-micro-led-mna89ms1bacxza/
https://www.techradar.com/pro/asus-just-launched-another-162-inch-4k-micro-led-monitor-yes-a-monitor-not-a-tv-and-its-almost-as-big-as-a-wall
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>>106686998
Now I have to wait for 480Hz 32" 4K OLEDs . . .
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>>106686983
>microled will come out
you have to reduce the dot pitch right now you need 100" just to get a 1080p image
last time I checked it was DOA status
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>>106686739
>>106686773
buy a decent AM5 mobo with PCIe5/4x16 and PCIe5/4 M.2 slots, Buy a 7700/7800x3d/9600x/9700/9800x3d depending on what performance you want rn, 7700 or 9600x if you just want a decent build they go for 200€, the other two go for 400-500 but are the best for gaming rn. Zen 6 will also be on AM5 and they are supposed to increase the core counts so they'll be beasts for many years. Buy a high quality 1000-1250 watt PSU capable of feeding the thirsty ass xx90 cards, get a decent case that can support at least a 360 AIO on the top and a GPU support, some cases have in built ones but it doesnt make a difference. If you arent interested in ever putting a xx90 class in then you can go with a 750-1000 watt PSU. Get either 2x32 or 2x16 6000Mhz CL30 RAM, its cheap af and we arent going to see any new ram for a long time. Get a 2TB NVMe gen 4 SSD, they are cheap af, 100-150€. Get some used HDDs for extra long term storage if you need it, you can find large drives for 10€ easy. Now you just wait for GPU deals, which is the only thing worth waiting for :) (during the holidays and new releases, 5000 super series is near, a lot of upgrooders sell used 1-3 year old cards in mint condition for cheap since they buy new stuff, great chance to get a 4080, maybe even a 5080)
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https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-xeon-6-granite-rapids-amx

INTEL WON
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>>106686981
It's a big upgrade across the board. If you're playing those FPS games at very high competitive level the larger screen size might feel a bit worse at first (it did for me) but the benefits outweigh that.
>>106686999
It does (not because it couldn't be better, but rather because it's a low effort meme feature to tick another spec checkbox). Get blue light filter glasses if you must, but with how much we use screens these days, you eyes will get fucked anyway.
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>>106685930
>just stop being poor at that point and buy an extra 8tb nvme
This
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>>106686976
Sum your CPUs and GPUs max power draw in full boost, add 100-150w depending on if you have water cooling or not. Congrats, you've got an approximation of the actual minimum wattage for your rig
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>>106687128
>7800X3D
>5080
>+150w
so like 650w? [X] Doubt
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Yo niggas give me you safest undervolt for the 5070. Just want less noise and coilwhine dont care if losing 5-10fps.
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>>106687144
the main issue in this case would be if a 650watt PSU would even provide the 12vhpwr slot/have enough power delivery from the 8 pin PCIe connectors. Eg my 500 watt pure power 11 has one 12V 28 A (12x28= 336 watts) and one 12V 20 A so 240 watts. The power is technically sufficient but iirc the 5080 can either have the 12Vhpwr or three 8 pin so there would be single pin overload issues if i daisy chained shit
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>>106686976
it's normally because there is a fucking stupid thing going around saying that PSUs best operate at around 45-65% capacity for efficient usage even though any good PSU will do that between 40% and 90% but you should definitely leave like 50W extra as overhead for new fans, ssd etc.
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>>106687197
My fucking corsair RMe start clicking when the load is between 20-40% and they say it's because they want to maximize efficiency.
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>>106687182
my 650w PSU can basically supply 650W through the 12V rail but I don't trust it enough because you should have a bit of overhead for transients, flying far too close to the sun there IMO.
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>>106687217
>RMe
imagine getting a chink PSU
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PC cases should not cost more than 70 bucks. It's literally just a metal box, small fans and cables. Why are there cases that cost more than a upper midrange CPU?
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>>106687217
apparently RMe's just do that shit, some anons have said RMx is the only worthwhile stuff from corsair but i don't like corsair stuff too much personally, not that its bad but the one time i did get one it worked fine first rime i tested it on my system, then after getting the cable management fixed a fucking capacitor blew on the second power on. Yeah just a shitty batch and i was able to return it to get money back, but its enough for me to personally never bother with them again
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>>106687255
I got sent a replacement and it's still the same problem. I always assumed Seasonic makes their stuffs but I was wrong.
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>>106687258
Low production volume mostly.
Machines and molds are expensive, not materials itself.
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>>106687272
RMx is the premium series but I don't even think they use Seasonic anymore for that (still very high quality PSUs though) and RMe is mega chink shit
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>>106687288
Well it's still 7 years warranty and Corsair RMA is easy to deal with atleast in Europe so Im not too worried just little annoying.
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>>106687315
>only 7 years
RMx is 10 years
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>>106687248
well yeah im also of the opinion that for a primary system that you are looking to upgrade over the years or a system were youll plug a beefy GPU in you should get a big PSU, not much of a price jump from 650 to 750 or 1000, but the MINIMUM REQUIRED WATTAGE shit they claim nowadays is just bullshit, minimum required is essentially gotten by adding up the sum of all your parts max watt draw and adding 50-100 watts as headspace for transient (which is how i came up with my CPU + GPU + 150 formula, since the other stuff will rarely need more) while also ensuring that the PSU's outputs can output each individual thirsty piece. The main thing is that its pointless to stick to le minimum with PSUs and honestly kinda retarded, its better to get a high quality beefy PSU and be able to keep it for a decade plus than go with a minimum and potentially have to swap out a good PSU over what wouldve been a 10-20 euro difference for more wattage in the first place
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>>106687335
In any case I definitely wont recommend any Corsair PSU to anyone anymore.
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>>106687384
depending on budget RMx is fine because it's high quality, RMe isn't and should generally be avoided, but yeah at RMx prices you should be shopping to get something a bit better I think
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>>106687258
if you're crying about the cost of a pc case, go buy a used one. Building my Antec flux pro was a pleasure (except for the cable-management, that was rough, mostly my fault though).

Also metal costs more these days, alot more. Everything metal is more expensive.
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>>106687349
i agree with everything you said, based and intelligent. have a good day anon
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>>106687070
i said 5 years. obviously not now.
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>>106687152
Just lower the power limit then. Less power = less temps = less noise
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when is zen6 coming out
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>>106687452
late 2026 or 2027
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>>106687384
I don't mind recommending Corsair PSUs to normie family & friends.
Super Flower or FSP isn't as well-known, and the good Seasonic PSUs are overpriced.
Seasonic Focus and Core aren't very competitive vs other similarly priced PSUs.
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>>106687416
>i said 5 years.
There should be prototypes demoed by now if these microLEDs are scheduled for mass production in 5 years.
Not even a 77" TV.
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>>106687416
>>106686983
Unless they can ever find a way to solve the pick-and-place problem to scale up production and increase pixel density I have more faith in QDEL reaching average consumer's hands as Samsung has sped up R&D on it to earlier this year stay ahead of inkjet printed Chinese OLED (and it can reuse of a lot the factory tooling LCDs already use):
https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=237792
Plus we're seeing it demo'd in sizes already that MicroLED hasn't come close to approaching:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zgC2A0ehU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LufQa7V4BPk&t=1044s
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>>106687468
Corsair doesn't make power supplies.
My Seasonic coil whines like a 17 year old Delta out of a prebuilt.
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>>106687466
well shit
i have money now, do i get a 7800x3d or 9800x3d along with a mobo and ram?
i have a 5600 and a 3070, but i don't really see a point in a gpu upgrade yet as i play mostly cpu bound games
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>>106687540
just tighten your ram timings
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>>106687521
They sell PSUs assembled by CWT or other OEMs, normies don't care about this detail.
You are recommending Corsair PSUs when you tell someone to get an RMx.
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>>106687540
You could go for the 7800x3d it goes for 300-350 now as compared to 400-450 for the 9800x3d. The 9800x3d is only about 10% faster but it does drain less power so its cooler, maybe if you are temp constrained the extra price is worth it. In 2-4 years we'll have the best zen6 x3d available. Also get 2x16/24/32 (depending on how much capacity you need if you do more than gaming) 6000 Cl30 ram, its the best for AM5
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why are Corsair's Vengeance sticks bad again?
I remember seeing anons complaining about them lately but didn't give a fuck
my CMK48GX5M2B6000C30 should arrive tomorrow
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>>106687635
Cringe gamer brand
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>>106687635
Simply overpriced, you could get 64GB CL30 6000 for similar price from different brand.
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>>106687635
Most ddr5 RAM are good atm unless you go retarded with the MHz. It all comes down to price, rgb and gamer aesthetic between them.
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>>106687655
fair and 100% correct desu but technically speaking?
>>106687685
understood. Ordered them due to poor non-faggy looking (RGB included) sticks in my area
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>a new oled comes out almost every month
>meanwhile they sell like 3 different mini leds
is mini led actually bad or nobody buys them? it looks awesome on paper
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>>106685459
New cope solution for black screens maybe
I disabled VRR in nvidia settings completely and no black screens over dp so far in the regular 12 minutes
will need to test further, no ones in 20-23 minutes now atleast I think, if it didn't do it before, I am slowly losing my mind searching for black screens wondering if it's my blinking or screen itself

is it really the final cope for oleds? just turn off vrr? it flickers like absolutely mad running vrr in games anyway with unstable frames, literally unusable with my system though

might be worth keeping considering price but not vrr then? idk
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>>106687721
>understood. Ordered them due to poor non-faggy looking (RGB included) sticks in my area
Understandable, buying things without RetardedGayBling is getting more difficult each year.
I wish disabling all LEDs was as simple as switching toggle in UEFI.
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>>106687712
got'cha
this kit should be Hynix M-die iirc
>>106687775
>RetardedGayBling
kek'd and noted
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This error is the bane of my existence, i have tried EVERYTHING i have ever found online to fix it.
Its an error related to the nvidia gpu controller (a 3060TI on my case).
It happens randomly on any 3d game i play and then it disappears and doesnt happen for a while.
I just spent like half an hour playing Dying Light with no issues (it had happened before in this game too) and then randomly
>screen freeze
>ctd
Whatever, just wanted to vent. Hope your day is going great /pcbg/
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>>106687754
nothing wrong with miniLED
it's just that OLED sees a lot of investment lately. also it's in the image of our society™ in that you get a consumable display with inherent planned obsolescence (it looks worse as you keep using it), which primes you to get wowed by the next product - from a business perspective, it's the perfect technology
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>>106687851
Degraded cpus cause nvidia driver crashes. Which cpu do you have?
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>>106687754
MiniLED monitors are a less profitable product to sell for monitor manufacturers, people expect these to be cheaper than OLEDs.
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>>106687775
RGB and glass panels are a plague, theres like 3 new cases made without glASS that can take a 360 AIO on the top each year, which means you cant find them used since barely anyone has them. And now the current trend is EVEN MORE glASS with them putting it on the side and the front. Fuck this bullshit just give me sturdy ooga booga metal
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>>106687948
>Fuck this bullshit just give me sturdy ooga booga metal
The metal case panels & chassis are getting slimmer & flimsier too.
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>>106687948
on the other hand, cases virtually don't become obsolete ever, meaning you just have to find one to do all your future builds in
also it makes sense to spend more on products that you'll be able to use for longer, so it's pretty easy to justify splurging on the perfect boutique case with kino features like side panel vents
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>>106687937
5600x
In the end it might be related to a more complex issue than just the gpu since it always happens while gaming
HOWEVER
it also sometimes "hangs" a browser until i drag the browser window around, im assuming thats the same error but since its happening outside of a game (or more involved procress) it doesnt crash
Just ran a quick cinebench for 10 minutes and there was no issue there either
Meh, it is what it is, i lost hope on finding a fix for this a while ago. I appreciate you all the same anon
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RDNA 2/3 sisters, it's over...
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>>106687994
I get your point RDNA2 sister, but are new games even worth playing?
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>>106687992
Get MSI Afterburner and set the GPU core slider to -30 or -45 MHz and VRAM frequency to -50 MHz.
Downclocking the videocard might improve stability.
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>>106687994
UE5 on a 6600 XT is over-before-it-began territory.
My friend recently upgraded from that card to a 5070, and he's enjoying life.
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I'm about to build my new PC this weekend, and so I've also got a question about overclocking/undervolting. Should I do it, and how? I know that for RAM I should enable EXPO in BIOS, to the speed on the box (6000mhz, 30cl). For CPU (9800x3D) there is some PBO stuff, right? And for GPU (5070ti), there is something through MSI afterburner? That's pretty much where my knowledge ends. How does it work with warranty?
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>>106687992
try turning off "Core Performance Boost" or "CPB" and PBO in bios and see if it works better. However it's unlikely a 46x cpu degrades, it happens to the 48+ multiplier 1.5V boost chips.
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>>106688037
6600xt was a cs2/fortnite/dota2/generic esports slop gpu, playing anything else on it is asking for trouble. I hope he looks forward to buying a 6070 next gen when he gets cucked on vram when he wants to play Current Thing that releases in the next ~2 years.
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>>106688129
He doesn't play Hogwarts or Alan Wake PT. Your FUD is pointless.
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>>106688023
i have it on a very slight undervolt with afterburner since thats what i saw recommended back in the day, however those same settings recommended increasing the memory clock sensibly
might give it a try slowing it
For whatever is worth the crashes happened both with and w/o the undervolt
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>>106688147
>Hogwarts or Alan Wake PT
It appears the game devs made some changes to improve overall performance.
They most likely toned down the resource-demanding settings that provided little visual improvement.
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>>106687499
well either way, non-organic self emissive displays are the future. they should be somewhat mainstream in ~5 years
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27" vs 32" 4K
surely the latter's PPI of 138 is more than enough
discuss
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My current build, thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Dcg9C
I'm undervolting both cpu and gpu
>capping gpu at the minimum .925mv
>For cpu it's PBO curve all cores, negative, 20
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>>106688454
32" 4K would be my choice.
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>>106680151
Does my build look good? Planning on starting to buy when my paycheck clears tomorrow.
Migrating as a long-time Mac user to Linux. Will primarily be programming. Need ram for temporary local hosting and bloated IDE's (a sin, I know, but it's what I like!).
I only play Minecraft, so my APU is more than enough. No plans on getting a GPU. APU was the best bang-for-buck option I could find.
Main concern for me is my PSU and motherboard. I want to get the best bang-for-buck PSU I can get. Worried about compatibility with my parts on my motherboard. Also worried about any drivers needed for my motherboard / cpu and their compatibility with linux.
>Build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Ft2db
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>>106688454
personal preference
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>>106688500
2x16 isn't even a lot of ram
might bump it to at least 2x32
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>>106688538
>might bump it to at least 2x32
Yeah, I'll likely make the upgrade in the future when I need it. I'm in uni, so I spend most of my day working & school, not much time/need for personal projects. Trying to save money where I can too.
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>>106688500
There are cheaper PSUs, but the $20 or so in savings isn't worth it.
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>>106688500
>Also worried about any drivers needed for my motherboard / cpu and their compatibility with linux
CPU/iGPU will work just fine
it's impossible to know if the mobo is going to play nicely with linux, there just isn't enough linux testing out there, but in my experience issues are rare these days
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>>106688553
just keep in mind adding more ram later means either probably running slower than 6000 or tossing the 2x16 completely
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>>106688475
The GPU has a 12Vhpwr connector but the PSU doesnt have one, instead it has 4 6+2 pin connectors. Idk if theres an adaptor available but imo you are better off going with a PSU that has that connector natively since its been known to be problematic and causing card combustion. Shouldn't be an issue on a 4070 super as it doesnt draw much power but adaptors are always finicky
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>>106688568
>There are cheaper PSUs, but the $20 or so in savings isn't worth it.
Alright. Do I have a good pick for $100, or is there a better option that is more reliable? It's the MSI MAG A650GL.
>>106688575
>it's impossible to know if the mobo is going to play nicely with linux
That sucks. I can always return it if so, I suppose. I'll buy it on amazon because I've worked with them a lot in the past.
>>106688592
> tossing the 2x16 completely
Yup, that was the plan. I'll just sell my current one on ebay or some PC parts site.
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>>106688147
neither of those are games that haven't released yet, not sure why you can't think 1 step ahead, or even read what i wrote correctly.

buying a gpu with 12 gigs of ram and pretending it will go the distance, is pointless. 16gigs is going to become somewhat outdated in ~3 years, mark my words.
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>>106688454
if you can't physically see the pixels its fine, you're being pathologically-obsessive to even ponder the question.
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>>106688614
the gpu came with an adapter, it's double 8 slots inputs (where I put the 6+2 things) into one 12 output that I plug into the gpu
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>>106688683
>J-j-just wait
UE5 is going nowhere in ~3 years, and consoles are already cost-prohibitive to normies.
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>>106680151
I don't get it, why is everyone here obsessed with newest [thing] releases? My 1070 can run games in 4k without any problems. No, not just indie slop, stuff like Arma and other modern shooters. Hell, I finished cyberpunk on medium graphics, though that did lag slightly at times.
Starting to think every single benchmark site is a fucking scam or that my rig is blessed by gods when I see people debating GPU performance.
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>>106688801
>>106688801
>>106688801
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>>106688832
oh its the schizos again
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>>106688454
32" is probably more usable without scaling than 27" 4k
27" 4k on qdoled would reduce fringing even more
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>>106688772
of course you can run 7-12 year old games on a $50 gpu
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>>106688852
He's not moving the needle.
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9070XT or 5070TI. Just fucking redpill me on one of them.
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>>106688994
nvidia has better features so why would you ever consider amd
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>>106688500
the main thing you should research for Loonix compatibility is network card(s) driver support
Bluetooth, too, if you're going to use it (applies mainly to laptops though)
pretty much everything else should work OOTB
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>>106688634
>Do I have a good pick for $100, or is there a better option that is more reliable? It's the MSI MAG A650GL.
I would buy the Pure Power 13M (750W) over that one since this is also priced near $100.
Either is overkill for your system.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yWJBD3/be-quiet-pure-power-13-m-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp026us
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>>106688853
just scale your shit, it's not 2014 anymore
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>>106688454
32 6k
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>>106689520
you also need the same DPI scaling setting on all of your monitors, otherwise your OS has a stroke trying to resize the window every time you move it from one screen to another
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>>106689520
>just scale your shit
you lose real estate if that was your goal with 4k
just saying 32" is easier than 27" for not scaling

>>106689534
now make it 480hz instead of 60hz and QDOLED and we have a deal
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>>106689782
>you lose real estate
no you don't nigger
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>>106689805
so you zoom in on all elements in the os and you don't lose space?
what do you mean by this
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>>106689910
a 32 inch monitor is always gonna be 32 inch monitor
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>>106689534
What's with this jackass pushing 6k as if our cards can even run 4k.
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>>106689942
what don't you understand about increasing the size of all elements on the screen though?
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>>106690084
decreasing the scaling doesn't make your monitor bigger. that's just poorfag cope.
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>>106684604
>Local diming works fine, but you pretty much have to manually turn it on for gaming and off for desktop use
I settled on medium local dimming on at all times, the blooming around my mouse was too much with it off entirely.
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>>106690107
you are not scaling, that's the point
obviously you are not very smart arguing about a factual thing
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>>106689954
anon obviously doesn't care about games or plays things like grand strategy games
don't be rude to him - I think he's alright
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>>106689954
native res is irrelevant
resmaxxing and ppimaxxing is king
we are in 2025 not 1997



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