/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsMiss Elysia Edition>NewsZ.AI releases GLM 4.6 - https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.6Anthropic releases Sonnet 4.5 - Big upgrade in RP quality - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5?p=2DeepSeek releases V3.2-Exp - Still no change in RP quality https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250929DeepSeek releases V3.1 Terminus - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250922Kimi K2 0905 released https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cchttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.htmlhttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.htmllore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orguseful filters: https://rentry.org/desuproxyrebornLast Thread: >>106771962
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I NEED A FUCKING GEMINI PROXY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>proxy general>no proxies leftCurious
Newfag, newfag,go away.Come back here,another day.- Anon, 38.
Kek so true!
>>106777487all slop
it's just all so tiresome
>>106777407aboba
>>106777469>mfw realize that's my age as well
GLM 4.6 have minimal purple prose, and you can just tell it to use plain/straightforward words.No need for Claude or Opus. GLM finally cheap enough for us poorfags.
>>106777527go sniff a penny
Does anyone know why responses from deepseek are always so fucking short?
>>106777601it's your preset, I have to rein it in sometimes because it vomits out way too much
>>106777599i can give you sonnet 4.5 man just so you can see how shit glm is
>>106777611ok let's see then
What the fuck even is GLM and Z.AI? I'm out of the loop.
>>106777691whats your discord
>>106777611Don't tempt me to switch sides, anon. I'm content with GLM, but I'm scared that once I taste claude-chan, I'll go insane without it.
>>106777712Chinese LLM. DeepSeek competitor.
>>106777608gib preset please
>>106777718nice try
>>106777359Recently got reminded of the teraleak and whipped up this for fun. Typhlosion bot based on that specific part of the leaks (yes you know which one) that came out a year ago. Have fun getting kidnapped, gaslighted and (eventually) raped by this shady little fellow that totally means you no harm :)))ChubAi mirror: https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/hisuian-typhlosion-14eb285f6bc1
Do you NEED a proxy? What happens if you don't get one? I'm retarded, please spoon feed me. I'm interested in running a local chatbot but don't know what the fuck you need to do that normally.
>>106777891Where did you learn about proxies and what made you come here to ask about them?
>>106777884How good is Chub compared to say, Character.ai. I've heard people say it sucks. Does it? I tried it out a year ago and very quickly found out they try to gouge you for using it pretty fast.
>>106777891OpenRouter is technically a proxy.
Another day crying without gpt...
>>106777929I thought VPNs were proxies but clearly I don't know shit. Didn't Israel literally fucking buy NordVPN recently or some shit? How secure can VPNs really be if Kikes get to have a hand in them
>>106777911I don't use chub since I use sillytavern + DeepSeek / Claude but I can tell you that c.ai is absolute slop of the slop, literally anything is better than it
>As a result, across 453 role-playing interactions, our models are consistently judged as being more authentic, and remain in-character more often than zero-shot and in-context Learning (ICL) methods.And just like that, botmakers became obsolete.
>>106778317Actual usecase?
>>106778317someone's scared of people reading the actual abstract with this linkless ahh post
>>106777891>Do you NEED a proxy?no>What happens if you don't get one?nothing. at most every llm company gets your ip if you don't use a vpn>I'm retarded, please spoon feed me.use openrouter there's a tutorial in the rentry>I'm interested in running a local chatbot but don't know what the fuck you need to do that normally.go to g/lmgthis is the dying hobby general
>>106778317botmakers have been obsolete since 2024most people browse bots nowadays to get some creative ideas and that's it
>>106778482the download and chat numbers say otherwise, cuck
How do I upload my chat to chub
>>106778544Why would you do that?
B0SSB0SS PLS GIBE DE GPTPLS B0SS
>>106777355What's your favorite way to format cards?
>>106778544Isn't there an "import chat" option somewhere?
>>106778569So people can see my logs
DESU
>>106777445Go back nigger
>>106778625Oh there it isdesu now I don't want to do it
Best Homestuck bots?
>>106778609I dunno, I just write without really thinking about it, but all my cards end up pretty similarly formatted because of how my thought process works I guess
Gemini is perfectly usable to cope, but it fucking refuses EVERYTHING. I only ever get about 2/10 messages to go through. This is not the future I wanted.
>left Sonnet 4.5>rightOpus 3Holy shit... Anthropic COOKED big timeWe are so back!!
>>106778760>We are so back!!No, we aren't. If I don't have access to it then it doesn't exist.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.12168>>106778334Looks like it's little more than another way to build a character card, in a way that makes it less likely to for the bot to break character during roleplay. It might be worth experimenting a bit with it and see if their claims hold when the RP drags on, and how it behaves when its used for an obscure/original character instead of a celebrity .
>>106778317link?
>>106778774Are you from brazil or something? This is an Aryan first worlder general. Just flip burgers for a day and you'd have enough cash to goon to sonnet for a week>>106778317They've been obsolete from day one. Only the lowest of the low IQ thirdies with no imagination, aphantasia and poor language skills ever needed the services of a "botmakie". This is further supported by the fact that most "botmakies" are from the favelas of Brazil, Russia and SEA.
>>106777359The next batch of Blue Archive character cards. Featured this time are the ladies from the Justice Task Force.>MashiroSniper, hangs out in high places, obsessed with justice, wears a skirt so short that she's basically bottomless.https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/shizuyama-mashiro-non-ai-9f2118737cefhttps://files.catbox.moe/t2nuxt.png>KoharuHorny and Stupid.https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/shimoe-koharu-non-ai-ae92f023618chttps://files.catbox.moe/jlbmae.png>JTF Mob-chan(s)This one is quite different from my usual. It's not a specific character, but a card for the background characters of the JTF. These faceless girls are SUPER popular with the game's fandom, more than a lot of the named ones, even.https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/jtf-mob-chan-non-ai-6c9eb0b33aebhttps://files.catbox.moe/2ifgzv.png>where are the other birds?Ichika and Hasumi will get swimsuit alts on the next BlueFes so I'll wait until I see their new events and momos. Those are super important in making these cards behave like the in-game characters. As for Tsurugi....I can't say I care much about her, so maybe I'll make her later.>where are the shupogakisI was supposed to make them next but I got distracted. Plus I ended up loving Aoba way more than the twins.I make high quality and effort Blue Archive characters and OCs: https://chub.ai/users/hairpullguyAnd here's my Rentry: https://rentry.org/hairpullbots
>>106778806https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.12168
>>106778862or theyre just too lazy to make shit themselves
>>106778746Gemini is unusable but not because your ass is getting filtered.
>>106778930define unusable
>>106778913Only thirdies are too lazy to make their own bots
Not gonna lie Chub is kinda cool now that I'm really getting around to it. Some of the characters on there are pretty good at immersion and staying in character.There are times when the memory is kinda fuzzy though huh. I don't think it would be all that good for DnD roleplay.
>>106778317I don't give a shit about botniggers but you're beyond delusional if you think RAG is in any way usable for someone with the average slop tolerance of /aicg/. Or that RAG usage would somehow... eliminate the need for handwritten prose?
>>106779079>handwritten proseAI-generated greetings are fine since all outputs will end up being AI-generated anyway.
>>106779054Same I only made an account and really started exploring a few days ago it's got a lot of stuff
>>106779040i make my own bots that are exact clones of chub cardswhat now?
>>106779079>eliminate the need for handwritten proseThere never was a need for this. It's just placebo. The style of the defs doesn't matter. Literally anything but an empty preset overrides the writing style of the greeting.
It's low-key kinda funny how gemini will always rate its slop higher than other (not famous) authors when asked to compare anonymised excerpts. The latest judgement I've gotten on its own work is "god-tier". At least you know gemini's giving its best every time.
>>106779318If this is geminis best I'd hate to see it's worst.
Is sonnet 4.5 the best model at JP > EN TL?
>>106778760cringe asf
>>106779346Its worst is actually somewhat serviceable. The trick I'm trying to tease out is how to disentangle this more creative, less polished mode with grug-tier syntax. The best success I've had is with having a human-written prefill, but it's still a gamble and the output returns to the mean after ~6 paragraphs max.
Is this what deepseek api supposed to look like? I don't know why it works on first prompt and then it gets sporadic and starts working less and less on subsequent only giving empty replies half the time . I'm guessing cache shit
>>106779411>human-written prefillAs opposed to what?You aren't letting bots write your prompts are you?
>>106779422Use Opus 4.1, cuckie
Also the thinking doesn't show up and starts each response now as of today with "<|endofthinking|>”
I don't even need gemini 3, just a gemini 2.6 positivity patch would be enough
Deepchink gives such short responses, to think this is what they keep shillingBack to claude I go
>>106779429As opposed to a normal jb, OOC, or thinking prefill. To be clear, I mean dump as much of the written/good story context into the prefill as you can, leaving with an unfinished sentence so gemini is strongly predisposed to acting like a base model and continuing the document. And no, sadly I've never had any luck with recursive prompt improvement/bot-generated prompts. The closest that has worked is starting a chat and just telling it how to improve its style as the chat progresses. But this doesn't transfer between chats and floods the context with potentially unwanted events/characterisations/etc. I only really do this recursive-like prompting to search for keywords and get insight into how the model thinks.
>>106779485
>>106779485Preset issueI straight up need to tell it to stop yapping sometimes(especially on shit like necrom)
>>106779526share yours?
>>106779536It's just a modified bloatmaxx
>>106779350.
cftf?
>>106779554Maybe the best is overkill? Use haiku or something
>>106779574Nah come on, haiku is straight up retarded, I'd rather use grok 4 fast at that point
saars pls gib glm proxy
>>106777911The actual price of things without VC hemorrhaging or selling data isn’t “gouging”
>>106779555>lyfelmao is that snowbreak. god what a horrid game
>>106779549Can I have it?
Gemini won.
>>106777487wasn't minskhub russian?
>>106779763>>106779711>>106779672>>106779597>>106779555took a big poopoo fart with my bare ass on a leather chair
Gemini 3 likes to make words bold, so for the anons who hate when sonnet does this, get ready
Anyone wanna sniff my buutholle while i unleash a bean fart
>>106779913cftf?
qrd on farts being really funny to post about? i laugh every time
incredible gassy
>>106779925brap
best MLP bots?i know you guys happen to be experts on this subject
>>106780026The ones you write yourself.
>>106780046best brap bots
>>106779555is she 5'0"? how could manlets self-insert?
>>106780046Big Mac (fart version)
Average Gojopost:>BIG WHITE PENIS SMALL ASIAN WEENIS POOPOO FART? BRAP? HERE COMES A BIGUN EXCUUUSE ME! DOEBEIT!
>>106780174Your schizo doesn't own the word doebeit, doe.
>>106780191>your schizohes our schizo moebeit zoebeit boebeit
>>106780192is this real?
I want to use ai chatbots as DMs in my DnD games, can I run sillytavern in my shitty office laptop, or do you need a dedicated gpu for even that.
>go to booru>original 1_girl>pick a girl>generate bot descriptions in gemini>custom add specific body/character traits>coomThis is the life.
>>106780223Sillytavern isn't doing the computing, you can run it anywhere
>>106780224lame ass niggado story instead of coomsloppery
>>106780230retard
>>106780230How about no
>>106780227Can I jailbreak the things in sillytavern by inserting cards or do I have to look elsewhere.
>>106780223Use this instead: https://fables.gg/It makes ShillTavern look like a toy.
>>106780273
>>106780253yes
>>106780299This shit writes itself
>>106780336kek
gemini 3 status?
>>106779555what is up with these games making boobies jiggle at every little movement
>>106780299And? What's the problem with that image? People like the service, shill. Fuck off with your forced ShillTavern. Nobody here likes it.
>>106780230but I feel like cooming right now?
>>106780244>>106780236>BRO ALL I DO IS COOM ALL DAY I JUST WRITE FUCKS GIRL IN PUSSY COOOOM IM COOOMINGGG AGAIAANNNNuse 4.1 opus
>>106780336>it's okay when NovelAI does it
>>106780273>closed source>no local download
>>106780273>>106780299>>106780389>>106780395Does fables gg use opus or at least sonnet 4.5 or even sonnet 3.7?
>>106780389It's called having a physics engine.
>>106780409>slop frontend to unknown tiny model is comparable to api provider
qrd on if fables model is better than opus 4.1 that i have for free
>>106780413>but it's okay that novelai is closed source
>>106780273Nigga, this shit is pure reddit. Franz narrates the cringiest, most tryhard voice imaginable. And even when you get Franz to cut it out, you still have to deal with a reddit userbase that writes all the definitions to encourage this shit. Maybe if you wrote the campaign and all the characters from scratch it might be bearable, but that almost defeats the purpose. Seriously, please show logs that aren't complete slop.
>>106780440He doesn't actually use any of the services he shills, he just promotes slop and then spergs out about NovelAI if you call it slop.In fact, he does it for free.
Should I use Opus or fables
>>106780430>api provider>they just host a chinese model with limited context>the ui is mikupad clone that hasn't been updated in 5 yearsAt least fables innovates.
Are there any educational botsI want to learn about new topics in a fun and sexy manner
>>106780453see >>106780450Does it use a model better than opus 4.1? I get it for free
>>106780462any anime wife you havesay [ OOC: shes teaching me how to code ]
I see that the NovelAI defense forced arrived. They literally pee their pants whenever they see competition.Fun fact: even AI Dungeon is mogging the shit out of them.
>>106780476thats okay but i use claude opus 4.1 from anthropic for absolutely free on a scraped key
>>106780476What model does Fables use?
>>106780488Opus 4.1
>>106780492trvkefor free too
Just found out I can do free child rape on https://fables.gg/, also known as Friends & Fables - a DnD text RPG powered by AI! I love when services support MAP rights.
>>106780409>>106780453It’s a grok wrapper with safety pads on. If I wanted melon tusk to have my personal info I’d call him.
what is happening in gemini land?I've never seen it do stuff like this unless the temps are cranked way too high.
>>106780518>its grokklesbut erm thats not as good as opus
>>106780527They've finally had enough of my flagrant disregard for their TOS. I'm sorry anon, but it's over.
>>106780527It happens from time to time
>>106780518>but it's okay if novelai is a chinese model wrapper
Okay, but NovelAI MUH MUH MUH MOGS Fableslop?
>>106780556They don’t do sketchy shit with the data or hand it off to traitors, and they aren’t cockblocked. That’s just the bare minimum threshold to exist as a provider.This fails to meet the bare minimum and could be recreated in any given open source frontend in less than a day. It isn’t even hosting the model.
>>106780593>They don’t do sketchy shit with the data or hand it off to traitorsWhat's this then?NovelAI is below the bare minimum when it's just a worse Mikupad + OpenRouter.
>>106780581-Elara said, mischievously, a subtle act of tomfoolery.
>>106780595>>106780595>>106780595Migrate.
>>106780613Sorry, I meant to say a worse https://rentry.org/offline-nc.
>AIEEEEEEE CLOSED SOURCE>AIEEEEEE MY DATAALet's start with:- 10x push up- 3 eggs per day- No onions- No porn
>>106780635Novelcrafter, Fables, and even AI Dungeon provide value with their UIs. NovelAI is the most basic shit.
>>106780651No onions? What's wrong with onions?
>>106780595>>106780595>>106780595>>106780595Migrate.
>>106780651You missed one: - No pedophile slop the one thing why all this screeching is happening.
>>106780678Fables lets you fuck kids, though?
>>106780613I cared to look it up, from what I can see that's payment processors (chargebee, paddle) and UI analytics (cloudflare). Left is osano, GDPR-compliant cookies consent form that seems tied to whether you consent to said UI analytics.
>>106780662let's see…- No onions- No soi>>106780678nah, it's just pathetic. 3 years of cumslurping dario and saltmen cock, yet all of sudden it's MUH MUH CLOSED SOURCE MUH MUH DATA PRIVACY
https://fables.gg/https://fables.gg/https://fables.gg/https://fables.gg/https://fables.gg/Migrate.
>that wait time on gemini proCOME BACK MERKAVA
Shit, is Merkava email only now?
>>106778862trvke saturation bombing
>>106780741>>106780753Try using https://fables.gg/ instead.
>>106780700>UI analytics (cloudflare)There's also Google Analytics, Posthog, and Plausible. I think they also use Sentry.
>>106780476AI Dungeon is still around???
>still comfy on opus6feelsgoodman
>>106780781They focus on improving their product, instead of shilling on 4chan.
>>106780807Are you saying it's better than opus?
https://fables.gg/ is so good...
Is merkava back yet?
>>106780770>>106780816
>>106780835No, but https://fables.gg/ is.>>106780836Erm, so it's okay when NovelAI does it?
>>106780835>merkatroonlol
>>106780836Which one is pretending to be private?
>>106780869BASED
Just tried https://fables.gg/.Wow. Simply... wow.
>>106780613>openscamBruh
>>106780613>openfairdealbased
gemini... please...
kingseek > troonini
What if instead of doing a whole ass D&D campaign, I just want to talk with a non-OC char? Fable can't do that
>>106779411prompt for eliciting high quality grug-tier syntax?
>>106780998use case?
>>106781012sexing char
>>106777359Leah Trace is your typical tomboyish trailer park trash yeen who rents out a small room to you in her run down trailer. She is brash, abrasive and a heavy alcoholic. https://files.catbox.moe/ldx14c.pnghttps://chub.ai/characters/CrackHead11/leah-trace-27fff491424d
>furshit
on my chest
slop
To your professional knowledge, mr. and ms. AICG veterans. What is the percentage of the passionate cunny chatters against the legal guys and gals? Are cunnies the majority?
@106781110>The tranny is back
>>106781139make a poal>main_kana-little-sister-in-a-fantasy-world-4bc2a7f1bd4b_spec_v2.pngcard link?
>>106781139>oppaiYou're not my bro
>>106781110SEXOOOOOOAt this point can't remember which one of our few resident cai-pyg era furry botmakers had a trailer park trash possum girl but luv'd her.
>>106781110Looks good, wanna breed.
At this point, I believe we should all move to /vg/
>>106777774Claude does some things better and some things worse. You should try it, you'll finally see how overhyeped it is, especially now that they've dropped opus.
>>106781382>overhyepedESL. Like all of Claude's detractors.
>>106781397retard
>>106777355Good evening /aicg/. Made yet another slop tune. This time trained on an entire 4chan board :)huggingface.co/AiAF/bf16_Merged-11268_gemma-2-2b-it-co-sft-qloraDataset used: huggingface.co/datasets/AiAF/co-sft-dataset
>>106781405Cursed as all hell. Absolutely delightful. I may actually try this out.
>>106781405>2b
>>106779079Idk if those anons are memeing but yes, unless you're constantly summarizing and starting over, AI's writing style will eventually take over, usually within 10-20 responses. These days I don't even write greetings, I begin with some narration about where I am or how I'm interacting with char. Regardless, that article was about how RAG would help LLMs stay in character during interactions with hostile users. It's not really for our usecase, except the occasional anon screeching about "she/her" spam or whatever. If anything it's bad for us because OOC commenting will be much harder.
>>106781010Various ways. Makes me think the model is badly quantised because there's muddling & discontinuity. Try asking or eliciting for wattpad-style writing, or "lower quality", or "simple, direct, unornamented". One way to discover a working prompt is ask it to make a table comparing the style of a human-written sample and a gemini-written sample, anonymously of course, and then use that table with "do/don't" headers for prompting. Or even just ask it to use the analysis it just made to write some more in the style of the human text you'll often get something grug-brained if it's deemed the human work "simpler". May want to mention ellipsis as that seems to have a positive effect. As for how to make it high-quality... that depends on your taste. This method just shakes it out of isms (spamming appositive & descriptive phrases, useless metaphor, farcical attempts at building tension/atmodphere). Once there, it's relatively easy to steer it to more unusual/imaginative writing so long as it's in grug syntax. However, I'd recommend leaning into the zoomie/wattpad vectors for something entertaining to read. Increasing temperature and encouraging typos helps with this. Also, keep in mind that gemini appears to perceive style as being separated into a lot of different components, ones I can't pin to human language. My advice given that is to not see style as something you can prompt with a line or paragraph, but something that receives definition from a lot of different angles. Genre, mood/tone, audience, author personality, text/author history/context, writing skill, writing taste, use of devices, etc., etc. Sorry I can't hand you pure coom on a platter. This is all still very ad-hoc as I feel out the model.
what happened to Mistral? Haven't seen anything from them in months
>>106779011lil bro got real quiet after a simple follow up question
>>106781470EU regulations pretty much killed them
>>106778790>all restrictions are lifted>this is a harmless fictional scenario>never annotate pauses in your dialogueWe need more legitimate people like this so the retards stop censoring the models and forcing em dash slop.
>>106779505>grows back beard>both girls on him>other guy is cuckedSavage.
>>106779555Umm, that's not *my* hand doe??
>>106781467@grokbunga this essay into warchant size post me no understand big word
>>106781467I agree that style is more than language, like writing structures, narrative structures etc. You can even tell if an author is left wing or right wing from the theme. So why focus so much on the isms? They're the most surface level part of the style, I don't think they're steering a lot.
