>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. 1.4V or 1.45V CPU VR voltage limit recommended.

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

Best cade with $2,500 budget.

32” 8k 500hz micro led display that’s hdr 2000 certified and doesn’t use display stream compression when

>>106791236
Whichever you want.

>>106791294
When you've lost interest in PC gaming.

>106791251
They have ABL in HDR mode. If there is an OLED activating ABL in SDR it is a bug (like MSI’s junk)

Daily reminder that there are retards ITT who run VDDIO at 1.4v

>>106791339
sounds like an amd problem

>>106791339
>he doesn't have hynix memory
lmaoing @ poor people

>>106791339
I’m not tinker trannying ram or cpu settings in the bios. The EXPO settings should work out of the box if the ram is on the QVL list. If it sets itself to 1.4v then that’s what I’m leaving it as.

>>106791339
i think it's been established by now that's not the reason why AM5 CPUs are ticking time bombs
>>106791373
this is your average /pcbg/ poster
you know something that always works out of the box? PS5

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>Me when I think about all of the pain caused by people on the internet convincing a noob to buy radeon

corsair lost that court case btw. mobo manufacturers are up next on the chopping block

Make your shit work out of the box or face the consequences.

>>106791435
BASED

>>106791435
https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac

>>106791227
How does computer make babby?

>>106791479
when a motherboard and a fatherboard love each other very much...

>>106791460
Buy an ad, Tim.

>>106791435
based

>buy computer part 15 years ago
>still works good as new to this day
>buy computer part today
>have to baby it 15 different ways and it will stop working in a month or a couple of years at most
>this is just normal and accepted practice
How did we become such cattle?

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>>106791573
>>have to baby it 15 different ways and it will stop working in a month or a couple of years at most

>>106791432
well at least they didn't get the alternatives which have more issues

>>106791573
just fix it yourself, what's the problem?

>>106791573
>buy computer part 15 years ago
>obsolete after 2 years
>buy computer part today
>still good after 5+ years

>>106791699
Why lie?

>>106791713
he's right albeit

>>106791716
Why lie?

>>106791699
15 years ago was the start of the intel quad core era

>>106791720
lying always bites you back in the end
I don't do it - you can't make me lie to you

What are the most compact mATX cases, specifically with the smallest footprint?

I need something I can fit on my desk, but back out of the way, not sprawling over the whole depth of it.

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>>106791731
Demons use words to trick humans, they only know how to lie because language doesn't come to them naturally. They only use it to deceive their enemies.

>>106791746
Even the largest cases don't "sprawl over the whole depth of it". You don't need some tranny case, take the buttplug out of your ass and be normal.

>>106791713
Could you play 2017 games on a GTX 470?
Can you play 2025 games on an RTX 2070?
Nuff said.

>>106791746
maybe ncase M1 evo or M2 (larger by 1 liter)

>>106791573
People just want to buy stuff every year nothing else going on or to spend money on so it's okay if it breaks

>>106791757
My desk is only 23" deep and I need at least the front 12" clear.
I wish it were much deeper but this one was too good a deal to pass up. Would be nice to have my monitor farther away.

>>106791768
>obsolete after 2 years
>The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470 graphics card was officially released on March 26, 2010
See this is why demons ultimately fail, they don't understand language so their lies are very easy to catch.

>>106791790
It doesn't need to be on your desk in the first place.

>>106791790
Nigger I have the same desk as you and it fits a mid tower just fine. Why the fuck do you need half of it clear? It's shallow enough that I need to lean back when watching content on my 27 inch monitor, but the PC (~45-47 cm deep) fits fine with a few cm of space to spare on the front and back. The desk is also not completely flush with the wall so there's clearance at the back for airflow. I think you're just retarded.

>>106791371
Wrong
>>106791418
Doesn't matter if its not the reason, lowering it to 1.35 will give you a lot of thermal headroom

>>106791806
Really all of fermi kind of sucked ass after only a couple years
Either way a 2070 to this day would be totally fine for 1080p or even 1440p with heavy compromise

>>106791814
It's an adjustable standing desk and I change the height all the time. I have my current computer on a small side table beside it, but everything would be much more convenient if the computer moved with the desk, with regards to cords and the like.
>>106791829
I have a digital piano (though I'm going to add a slide out draw one of these days) plus other midi controllers, a large drawing tablet, notebooks, etc. and I'd like to be able to use my desk for doing stuff and not have it blocked with a giant box. Plus I have studio monitors on it as well (on the sides on clip on stands) and I don't want to block them either so ideally it would go behind them (depth wise, obviously not right behind the speaker).

>>106791905
This was exactly my point. The 2070 still supports modern features like DLSS4 transformer model for better upscaling giving it some extra life at 1080p and 1440p. It's 7 years since their launch at this point.
On the other hand in 2017 if you had a "1.2"GB GPU from 2010 you were straight up FUCKED. The bare minimum VRAM at that point was 3-4 GB, ideally 6GB+, let alone the uplift in rasterization performance needed to keep up.

>>106791934
Anyway if I were to go mITX (but don't want to because $$$) the Fractal Design Mood would work, except the cooling seems fucked with the GPU exhaust down and everything else up. Too bad the Silverstone Fortress FT03 isn't still available, made more with the GPU orientation reversed, blowing out the top.

Is 32GB of DDR4 RAM supposed to be in the $80 range or did they jack up the prices?

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>>106791227
Im no longer a poor hick american. I am a poor hick american that saved 300$ and lives in a major city now. My gtx 1080 is now too old and i want to game at 1440p 60hz. I run gayshit arch. wat buy. looking for used market, i hate buying new tech it feels too pozzed.

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You guys don't buy Nvidia

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/q7U7YLT5t8

>>106792048
you can get a new 9060 XT for $300, just saying
>>106792062
>r/pcmasterrace

>>106792048
>$300
RTX 3080 is your be-
>arch
oh, AMD in that case
>used market
6900 XT or 6950 XT for 300 bucks, I guess? No DLSS would suck, but you should always go AMD on Linux.

>>106791573
not sure what dogshit tier parts you're buying, my pc should last me for years without requiring anything replaced. Are you trolling?

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>>106776410
I've been looking at some cheap arms, in particular Huanuo HNSS6, and turns out this might be a problem. Since this was a budget pick, I've gotta ask, do the pricier monitor arms also have this limitation?

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>>106792048
>Im no longer a poor hick american. I am a poor hick american that saved 300$ and lives in a major city now.
fag. Imagine willingly living near brown people and blacks
Might as well buy a 9060xt and a pretty dress to wear while blacks are raping and robbing you

>>106792036
It's all EOL so expect the (retail) price to rise. If you're building a DDR4 rig now best to go used/import.

>>106792106
Seems like a CYA warning in case the gas spring malfunctions then at least the monitor won't droop off the table and instead land on it. I imagine it would be the same for any VESA arm.

>>106792129
education has to happen somehow. Small christcuck college in the middle of nowhere Alabama wasnt gonna get me anywhere. have you ever spoken to humans in real life anyways. They dont want to all rape and murder you.

>>106792084
>>106792086
I considered buying the 9060XT but microcenter near me doesnt seem to have any in stock. Not many people around me seem to have listings on craigslist and i don't want to make a Facebook account just for the marketplace. I wasn't aware of the 6900 or 6950. Thank you i will look to see what's around me.

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>>106792062
>More than 20% FPS loss in all games.

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I might build my first pc sometimes soon, im out of touch lately with all these, so I just want to ask 2 questions in the meantime while I watch videos etc
1.- Why are 50 series cheaper than the 40 series? am I missing something?
2.- I just want something decent that can do 1440p, is a 5060 ti good enough? I also would liek to play around with AI I guess

Also I guess a 3rd question, I recently moved to linux, anything that has compatibility problems?
thanks in advance

>>106792188
>he fell for the college grift
ngmi

>>106792219
If you use linux you have to use AMD gpu's. A 9070 would be fine.

is an NVME heatsink worth it on an OS drive if i just game? like would it extend the physical lifespan or is the hardware's thermal throttling good enough?

>>106792267
no
not even with a 5090 fe blowing 600 watts of hot air onto it 24/7

>>106792188
>Small christcuck college in the middle of nowhere Alabama wasnt gonna get me anywhere.
Fucking lol, you're in for a good time if you're one of the people still not capable of seeing the writing on the wall
>humans
Of course humans don't want to rape and murder, n1ggers do though.

>>106792219
For Linux you really want AMD, even if Nvidia is better overall. 5060 Ti 16GB or RX 9060 XT 16GB would be your best bets for entry level 1440p60, with upscaling. That is to say, using DLSS or FSR.
Of course 9070, 9070 XT, 5070, 5070 Ti (Nvidia on Windows only) would be better, but you can get away with less at 1440p if you scale settings down or go one tier up in your DLSS/FSR settings e.g. if 5070 would run a game at Ultra and DLSS Quality, 5060 Ti would do the same at High and DLSS Quality, maybe Balanced.

>>106792219
>1.- Why are 50 series cheaper than the 40 series? am I missing something?
Nvidia prematurely stopped making the 40 series a few months before the 50 series launch to purposely engineer a stock shortage and inflate street prices to make the 50 series look better than it was/is.
>2.- I just want something decent that can do 1440p, is a 5060 ti good enough? I also would liek to play around with AI I guess
>Also I guess a 3rd question, I recently moved to linux, anything that has compatibility problems?
thanks in advance
If you're on Linux, you'll have a less headache-inducing experience going with AMD. At 1440p either the 9070 or 9070 XT will be fine for you.

>>106792274
no (it's not worth it), or no (thermal throttling isn't good enough)?

>>106792267
>>106792274
you want a heatsink because the controller gets hot as hell and that leaks into the pmic. most sensors only measure the flash itself. if the pmic gets too hot you get a dead ssd because thats what powers everything.

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>>106792296
>Nvidia prematurely stopped making the 40 series a few months before the 50 series launch
These two generations of GPUs are made on the same node with slightly different customizations.
TSMC had to stop making RTX 40 chips if NVIDIA wanted them to ramp up production of Blackwell 2.0 PCIe GPUs.

>>106792315
a premium heatsink with heatpipes it is, thanks

>>106792267
Good SSD heatsinks are really cheap if your mobo manufacturer skimped out on including one or two.
My temps weren't that bad before, but they reduced by 15C with the heatsinks that I bought on Amazon for less than 10 bucks. It's a worthy investment and it helps with longevity if you've dealt with drive failures. (only happened to me once, and it was some OEM SATA SK hynix drive)

>>106792188
If you're not going to use faceberg market, where are you even going to find used components? I hate facebook as much as the next guy but sadly craigslist is kill and marketplace is where everything is.

what motherboard for Intel Core Ultra 285K and 3080 Ti ?

>>106792219
>Also I guess a 3rd question, I recently moved to linux, anything that has compatibility problems?
Just want to disagree with everyone else, Nvidia is absolutely fine on Linux. Sure AMD has some sort of open source drivers or some shit maybe, but the proprietary Nvidia drivers work fine.

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>>106792452
>but the proprietary Nvidia drivers work fine
no they don't lol
if you're used to their jankiness you don't realize how much better AMD is

>>106792437
craigslist is okay where im at. Surprisingly on campus the classifieds there are shockingly alive. Or i just do it the old fashion way and see who knows a guy who knows a guy. My current computer i have right now was made that way 5 years ago for 300$. ryzen 5 1600 with a gtx 1080. + all the fixings from different people Although people here are weridly not as tight knit as down south which i find funny. People down there know the guy who lives 6 football fields away but here they dont know the guy 3 doors down.

>>106792165
I suspected ot might be mlre due to assynetricsl design of the clamp. In rhe forward direction, you have a coupleincges of metal to press onto the desk, while backwards there is almost none.

>>106792487
yeah "our console tier OS only works on console tier Ryzen APUs" isn't exactly the win you think it is

>>106792437
never heard of a little site called ebay?

>>106792451
Cheap and good enough option:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zfHp99/asrock-b860-pro-rs-atx-lga1851-motherboard-b860-pro-rs ($130)
Expensive bells & whistsles option (cheapest that includes a POST Code LED):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rYTFf7/gigabyte-b860-aorus-elite-wifi7-ice-atx-lga1851-motherboard-b860-aorus-elite-wifi7-ice ($210)

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>>106792452
nvidia has two driver choices. proprietary and nouveau. the first one is more stable but is obviously closed source so if anything is broken you cant fix it. nouveau is open source but behind proprietary. if something is broken someone probably fixed it but performance will always lag behind.

AMD is just mesa+radv. AMD dropped amdvlk for radv sometime ago. radv is made by valve and super stable. like more stable than windows drivers which are based on directx/amdvlk.

>>106792570
all distros use the same drivers
>>106792585
no one uses nouveau

>>106792580
I don't trust mail order used electronics.

>>106792607
As opposed to the used electronics that get delivered by the facebook pony express?

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>>106792487
>Those 7900 XTX Linux performance
It's basically even or behind Windows.
Windows gaming is more performant overall with the 9070 XT.

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so which one of these is the actual temp of the cpu?

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I have a strange problem where my GPU is on x8 instead of x16.
I've tried reseating the GPU, I've updated and tinkered with my BIOS, and I literally cannot get it to switch over for the life of me. In BIOS, the only options are Auto, 8x 8x, 8x 4x 4x or 4x 4x 4x 4x. There is nothing else in any of the PCIe slots. I've got a B450 Tomahawk MAX, an R7 3700x and a 4060Ti.
Anyone know what the fuck is going on? Googling the mobo, it seems to be a common issue but every >>>reddit thread if just "dude just reseat it lmao", which clearly doesn't fucking work and helps absolutely fuck all.
I know it doesn't really make much of a difference but it is free performance that I'm just not using.
Help please I'm losing my fucking mind. Am I just being retarded??

>>106792642
Just pick the one that speaks to your penis

>>106792631
>Windows gaming is more performant overall with the 9070 XT
yeah maybe, it usually takes some time before mesa catches up with the windows driver
i have a 9070 XT so i could just test that myself
i've only tried RT with quake II RTX but mesa is actually on par with windows now in that game (identical FPS)
>>106792642
you probably want CPU Tdie because that's the hottest temperature of all sensors on the CPU

>>106792656
Wait I just realized the 60 cards are always x8 holy FUARK I'm retarded, gonna shoot myself

>>106792656
>I've got a B450 Tomahawk MAX, an R7 3700x and a 4060Ti.
Working as intended. 4060 Ti is a PCIe x8 card.
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060-ti-8-gb.c3890
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060-ti-16-gb.c4155

>>106792689
Yeah I literally just realized the moment I pressed post. Holy fuck. Thanks either way, I thought I was losing it.

>>106792656
4060Ti seems to be cucking you

>>106792487
common nvidia L

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>>106792798
it's even worse when games don't work at all on NVIDIA and you have to wait for valve to add a workaround in vkd3d for their buggy half-baked drivers

>>106792832
it's like my driver issues a decade ago on the 7970 except instead of the vendor not having enough money it's the vendor not giving a single flying fuck

>>106792162
I was upgrading what I already have but I guess I'll be on 16GB for the forseeable future at this point

>>106792585
nouveau is simply unusable on any modern GPU. I recently tried few different Live CDs of various distros on a PC with 4090. Debian with nouveau simply wouldn't boot due to driver error. Fedora booted, but had constant screen freezes, I was unable to set the proper refresh rates too, and probably other things too.
Meanwhile Pop OS/Nobara with the proprietary driver seem to just werk. Proper refresh rates are set, dual mode works without any issues, hardware acceleration works on yt in firefox.

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>>106792798
>>106792832
Very few GeForce card owners are gaming on Linux, and they knew what they were getting into.
Go ahead and buy Radeon cards for Linux, but it's not enough to get game devs to prioritize it in the near future.
>Valve
Because they don't want MS or Apple taking a cut out of their Steam Store sales, they're not doing this out of goodwill.

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>>106792062
no way they're still doing these shenanigans

i bought astro a50s for gaming and music, and these things kick ass. they sound much, much better than your average gaymer headset. i also like them more than the 2 sets of studio headphones i tried. i feel like studio headphones insist upon themselves too much and sound too flat, but the astro a50s are just fun and also very good.

probably the only thing i don't like about them is the gay ass dock system but i get it

maybe the audeze maxwells would be even better as an anon suggested but i heard they fall apart which is bad for their price point

>>106792855
>Because they don't want MS or Apple taking a cut out of their Steam Store sales
it's also because they want games to function and run on a functional operating system

>>106792855
ok? no one cares DLSS schizo

>>106792487
yeah i didn't realize how bad i had it until i switched.
i was packaging my own drivers and regularly fixing my libglx (a word that has since left my vocabulary) from tty.
i have not even thought about gpu drivers since i switched to amd.

>>106792869
>it's also because they want games to function and run on a functional operating system
Your fan fiction. They don't want to get caught off guard by any Microsoft Store changes.
They've been planning an exit strategy since the first iteration of the Steam Machine. Those trash boxes weren't developed to provide better gaming performance.

>>106792873
Not him, & you obviously cared to reply.

>>106792855
linux users don't use nvidia because linux users are linux users before they are amd/nvidia customers, so they base their hardware choices on what works the best for their intended purpose. believe it or not but the nearly stagnant 1-2% that's using linux is mostly the same people as they were 10 years ago.

>>106792895
multiple things can be true at once
they don't want other vendors to get a cut, and they're tired of windows becoming increasingly shitty and turning into a walled garden of its own

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>>106792900
That's fine, just don't overstate the importance of Linux like Redditors.
If Linux were important for PC gaming, NVIDIA would've prioritized its driver development.
PC game devs move according to NVIDIA, not the other way around.

That's why you see plenty of PC games running like shit on Linux with AMD GPUs.

>>106792889
i switched over a while ago but i had issues several times a year with X server ABI mismatches
i don't think that particular issue still exists because Xorg never gets updates anymore but wayland is still buggy and broken on NVIDIA so history is repeating itself
>>106792900
>linux users are linux users before they are amd/nvidia customers, so they base their hardware choices on what works the best for their intended purpose
of course, and this is why DLSS schizo should learn to read the room

>>106792915
of course it's not, it's as the steam hardware surveys show around 1-2% of the user base.
>That's why you see plenty of PC games running like shit on Linux with AMD GPUs.
I don't see this, everything works well for me.

>>106792919
And you are in the minority like niggers, and you're acting like them.

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>>106792656
>buys a cuck-card, a noob trap for poors
>is mad when he realises
financial skill issue

>little cousin has been using a gtx 960 for a while now
>want to buy him a nice lil upgrade
>used gpu market is still shit
what can you even get these days for around 250€ thats gonna last?

>>106792954
max vram over everything else and hope for the best lol

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>>106792923
Game devs don't even budge at 10% market share.

>>106792954
Grab used 3060 and you will still have some spare € to upgrade the rest of his system.

>>106791227
would it be worth to get an SSD with DRAM for a shitbox 4 core laptop from like 2010?
or just buy an ADATASU650/ Crucial BX500?
the Kingston KC600 is twice the price of the others.

>>106792998
what's your point?

>>106792998
im wondering if this director is being cucked from behind the scenes by AMD catering to the AI market and sidelining the gpu dept.

>>106792991
if only it was that easy
>>106793001
3060s go for 180€ here. think i saw a 2080 for 165€ but its 8gb. shit is just fucked overall

>>106793111
My line of thinking is this.
If he had gtx960 then rest of the system is also in dire need of upgrade.
I bet he is still stuck with i5 6400 or something similar.
While the performance would be better the CPU would still struggle to keep up.
GPUs simply don't drop in price as they used to.

>>106792642
i assume that's an amd cpu?
core temperatures then
the average of that

>>106793084
Linux gaming isn't important, else Radeon wouldn't be in such a sorry state as they're currently in.
That's also why NVIDIA's Linux drivers are developing at a snail's pace.
NVIDIA's okay with losing Linux gamers to Radeon cards; that's how little this segment matters.

Almost as many people switched over to Windows 11 compared to the entire Linux gamers captured in last month's Steam survey, which includes Steam Deck users.

>>106792954
>>106793111
this is a good point too >>106793216
CPU upgrade should always come first if we're talking multi-generational leaps
the common wisdom of GPU mattering more is largely bullshit because the CPU is the linchpin of the entire system, it's the thing sending commands to the GPU and (usually) handling I/O throughput from one device to another
i'd rather have a 9800X3D and a 1080 than an i7-2700k and a 5090, i turn the settings down and everything's peachy

>>106793282
ok. i think that's what i said, too.
in any segment of the consumer market quantity > quality of customers. no surprises there.

>>106793307
>quality of customers
Delusions of grandeur.

>>106793334
be mad, but at least be real, faggot. put aside your hurt feelings

>>106793342
Says the sad loser who has to associate himself with an OS.
We get it, you want to fit in with trannies, at least you found somewhere you belong.

>>106793216
>>106793294
Thats a fair point. Think he is still using an amd fx cpu

>>106793347 (You)

>>106793358
>he is still using an amd fx cpu
lmao yeah that's insanely bad for modern gaming
i'd try to find a used b450 and 5700X3D or something, 3D cache will help the cpu keep up for a very long time, especially for low-midrange price points, so it'll make the motherboard and DDR4 last longer too by delaying the next forced CPU upgrade

I want to build a new computer so bad. But I don't deserve it, I can't until I have earned the right. :(

>>106793397
I can sell you the right for the low price of $99.99.
Limited offer. Only today call now!

>>106793410
I wish it was that easy.

>>106793397
lucky, i wish i never have to touch a computer part ever again

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>>106793397
you've earned it, king

>>106793358
If you want to go for the ultra low budget the 12100f + cheapest DDR4 H610 or B660 is the way to go.

>>106793438
A second z690 wouldn't be much more expensive and would have utility in the future when you upgrade to a $250 14900k here in like 2 years.

>>106793358
>amd fx cpu
you don't need more

>>106793451
That Anon wanted to spend 250€ in total as a gift, soon he will have to sell his house because of our advice.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>106793464
Its all you will ever need

What kind of ram do you think zen 6 will support?
my 64GB kit is coming up short on some workflows and I was looking at getting a 96 GB or 128 GB kit.

seems like 96 GB only goes up to 6800 Mhz before the prices ballon up.

I feel like next year they are going to have better binned kits out for cheaper potentially.

>>106793519
If you can wait, maybe but remember:
Having enough RAM > Having faster RAM

>>106793519
64G is pathetic, i had 128G on the previous gen but went for 64G since XMP wouldn't accept two 64G kits. Life is hell.

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>>106791227
What's an ideal hotspot temp? I see 68C with normal fan speeds, and 64C with deafeningly loud gpu fans.
If I make it whisper quiet, hotspot will be at 70C.
RTX 4080 btw.
(gpu overall temp is 55-60C)

>>106793464
t. integer datatype

Had a thought today, what happens to all the GPUs that are in perma-sag because normies don't know about it? Do they just eventually crack under the weight?

>>106793647
4 layer FR4 is surprisingly bend resistant, but I doubt 6 or 8 layer or even 12 layer setups would survive such a sag.
t. bent a pcb with a pipe because it wouldn't fit inside a box.

>>106793670
So what happens to the gpus then? They survive for X year until the inevitable crack?

>>106793704
The problem is vastly overrated. Tell me when was the last time you saw a legit instance of a gpu breaking because of sag? I bet you can't think of one.

>>106793647
Probably nothing. It has to really really be sagging for actual damage to happen.
Do any of this gens nvidia cards even have issues with this at all?

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>>106793596
Hotspots can get a lot warmer.
The GPU will start to performance throttle as the hotspot gets closer to 100°C.
But the performance throttling is based on the regular GPU temperature.
You shouldn't have to worry about GPU temperatures unless the GPU fan's running near max RPM (or not at all under heavy load).

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>>106793647
On many GPUs memory chips are located next to the PCI-E connector and BGA mounted components have very fragile solder points, those like to fail under physical stress.
But the most hilarious shit happens when they put their PC into the truck and do the cross country trip.

>>106793708
The gigabyte debacle last(?) year when they didn't honor the warranties?

Anyone here compared 57X nvidia drivers with 58X drivers? I'm about to roll back to check if any performance reduction happened. Saw a post on plebbit.

>>106793714
Oh thanks, that's for ampere for silicon is silicone. Never seen the hotspot above 70, rivatuner/perfmon always reports gpu power throttle, no overheating, no slow cpu.

>>106793739
>Oh thanks, that's for ampere for silicon is silicone
The boost & thermal protection algorithm hasn't meaningfully changed since.
GPU hotspots under 90°C are generally accepted to be okay, Radeon GPUs' hotspots can run closer to 100°C.

now that intel has removed smt will they ever bring back avx 512? they removed it because of the ecores or whatever but im sure they can make it work now

>>106791482
they make a daughterboard

>>106793934
>now that intel has removed smt
what the fuck

>>106793934
thought they were bringing it back?

>>106793934
They're more likely to skip to AVX10.
https://www.techpowerup.com/339702/intel-brings-avx10-2-to-desktop-starting-with-nova-lake-processors

>>106793951
SMT/Hyper Threading is a relic of the past when CPU designers couldn't fit as many physical compute cores into the chip.

>>106793951
have you not noticed the fact that the top core ultra cpu has 24 fucking threads and 24 cores?
>>106793974
smt? they will https://www.techpowerup.com/339266/intel-ceo-confirms-smt-to-return-to-future-cpus
but idk about avx512 i havent heard anything

>>106793981
>This time, it appears that the AVX10, along with 512-bit AVX-512, is making a comeback, and we can expect to see it as early as the launch of the "Nova Lake" processor.
im tired of waiting, make a time machine

>>106793984
>have you not noticed the fact that the top core ultra cpu has 24 fucking threads and 24 cores?
why would i think about intel at all the past few years

>>106794008
>intel at all the past few years
Alder and Raptor lake were, and still are god tier. No, you cannot change my mind.

>>106794008
because theyre the only ones that make 35watt verions of their high core cpus with the T lineup?
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-ultra-7-265t.c3780
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-ultra-9-285t.c3775
you need this for low wattage productivity machines sweaty, amd wont cut it

>shitting on linux
>ht/smt is bad and outdated
>just buy the ultra goy
what in the actual fuck is his issue

>>106794049
Be more retarded, tranny shithead.
https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMTSecurityUncertainty

>>106794058
>calls anon tranny
>toronto
LMAO

of course it was the pedonigger all along

>>106794015
don't let them know
keeps the prices down

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>Tonight I will remind them

>>106792617
I don't mail order shit on facebook, I only buy local face to face in cash. If I were gonna order online, why bother with facebook when I could use ebay??

>>106794079
it's very funny that he literally can't help himself from posting here even after getting doxxed and raped by an anime girl

>>106794092
>unironically posting unironic shilling

>intel shill is a bot
Figures.

>>106794118
Except I'm not him, but you guys are too retarded to realize it.
That's why you idiots think SMT & HT are still a good thing.

Let me guess, you pay for pussy, and also pc stores don't send you free ssds.

>>106794134
SMT/HT is a naively objective good in the absence of 3D cache or otherwise-huge L3 cache, and they're still a net good even with that because sometimes you really do want to do multiple operations on the same data

>>106794154
Why would I pay for something I can just look down and see?

>>106794134
>>106794156
to be clear: cutting SMT/HT is always a cost-cutting measure, not a performance-optimising measure, it's just a way to simply reduce the silicon footprint of a core to increase the amount of CPUs per wafer
intel only did it because they're literally that far in the red

>>106794156
Except someone recently posted a tuned Arrow Lake matching a 9800X3D (with SMT enabled) in gaming.
You just never owned a CPU that didn't need HT/SMT to realize it.

>>106794190
link it coward

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>>106794187
SMT/HT is an area & power inefficient way of designing modern CPU cores.
That's why Apple CPUs don't use or need them.

>>106794196
Go back 1 or 2 previous threads. I don't need to lie. Apple already proved SMT/HT is a meme.

>>106794208
no, link it coward

>>106794200
it's inefficient per silicon and per power, but efficient per L1/2/3 memory and per cycle
apple doesn't invest in it because their use case doesn't care as much about high-throughput realtime computing such as servers or gaming

>>106794235
>coward
Lmao, seething retard >>106783116
Even that passmark chart shows HT-less & V-cacheless 285K not far away from a 9950X3D.
Ignorant retards are ignorant.

>>106794249
still waiting on a link, coward
or are you afraid i'll see the methodology

>>106794269
This retard can't even track a conversation. >>106783185

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>>106794249
>>106794269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCfSYv8lKA Here's the video from his screenshot

>>106794163
Why are you a pussy?

>>106794320
Dunno, I've been asking myself that for 42 years. Probably a mixture of bad genetics and being raised by a super neurotic mom.

>>106792998
They are nowhere near 40% marketshare. What are they playing at. They will never ship enough dGPUs to reach that.

11.6 Million dGPUs shipped last quarter
Nvidia has 94% of that number, AMD has 6%
So Nvidia shipped 10.9 million GPUs to AMD's 700,000. AMD are not even trying. If they were trying and why would they when every console has an AMD APU in it anyway

>>106794383
AMD knows what they're doing; they want to avoid a price war vs. NVIDIA when they're already making less profit per Radeon chip.
The 9070/XT's chip is almost as large as the 5080 & 5070 Ti's, AMD wishes they could sell those cards at above $800.

>>106794249
>>106794308
>doesn't specify the RAM or timings or CPU settings for the 7800X3D or 9800X3D beyond a generic "5.425GHz" designation
>does specify the timings for his super special RAM that he was gifted specifically for this 265k overclocking benchmark
>also got gifted a top-tier motherboard and NVMe
>overclocks almost every possible CPU and motherboard setting for the 265k to the point where it would be almost certainly unstable on other hardware, and might have still been unstable for him too
>still only wins half the benchmarks
>still loses to stock 7800X3D on CS2
>"thanks to [Xidax] as well as Intel for making this video possible"
kek

>>106794429
>5.425GHz
My ryzen 7600 can run at 5500. Can game at 5400.
So he overlocked intel and kept amd, specifically a beast like 9800x3D stock?

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>>106794429
That's a lot of cope from you.
FYI, Google & Amazon's proprietary server CPUs don't support SMT.

>>106794442
The 9800X3D's stock boost clock caps @ 5.2GHz; it's not easy to OC it beyond 5.5GHz.

>>106794442
my least-charitable interpretation is that he set the 9800X3D to a hard 5.425GHz so it looks like a flat overclock on paper but could prevent PBO from activating at all and prevent bursting which would cut down on performance across the board, and the better OC method would be increasing thermal/power limits and adding better cooling
but i'm not 100% sure that that's how PBO works with overclocks these days so who could say

>>106794450
nobody here games on a server blade

>Many fans, low rpm
>Few fans, high rpm
Which is better for noise?

>>106794468
And consumer-grade CPUs don't need SMT/HT to performantly handle multithreaded loads, including gaming.

>>106794477
but they do benefit from it otherwise game engines wouldn't load alternate code modules when they detect it

>>106794493
Not universally, that's why the discussion of whether to disable SMT/HT never ends.
You sound like someone who has no awareness of the shared resource contention with SMT enabled.
That's why some games run worse with SMT on.

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>>106794460
All right, you can still play with voltage to get extra points in benchmarks. I do 1.275 for a cool running cpu at 5.350, but take it down to 1.2 and it'll lose points, plus run hotter.
Should someone even get themselves into mess like this with CPUs without knowing how to tweak them?

>>106794500
that's a problem with OS thread scheduling, not SMT

>>106794507
Works fine with SMT disabled.

>>106794502
>normal
>people
>femoid

>>106794513
ok? you can disable SMT on an SMT CPU, but you can't enable it on a CPU that doesn't have it

>>106794525
>but you can't enable it on a CPU that doesn't have it
You fail to realize those CPU cores are specifically designed to run performantly without ever needing SMT.
That's why >>106794450 can happen.

You just never owned a CPU that didn't need SMT to run performantly. Extremely narrow-minded.

>>106794533
again, nobody games on a server blade

Should I wait for a sale to build my PC? Do Black Friday sales even exist anymore?

>>106794556
Arrow Lake is not a server blade, you coping retard.
Funny how server becomes irrelevant to the discussion after you realize Axion and Graviton CPUs don't use that old cope.

>>106794564
threadrippers are basically server CPUs for home users, nobody benchmarks them outside of loads that benefit from having huge amounts of raw single threads like servers or rendering, which are notably not games

a 265k on the most insane possible overclock lost to a stock 7800X3D in CS2 lmao

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>>106794580
That's not what you said in >>106794235
>apple doesn't invest in it because their use case doesn't care as much about high-throughput realtime computing such as servers
Retreating like the bitch coward you are.

>>106794580
The point of this little discussion was to prove CPUs without SMT/HT can performantly handle multithreaded loads, which was proven in >>106794450

>>106794502
meanwhile silence on the AMDtalmuD eXplod3D fiasco

>>106794590
performantly is a buzzword and Cinebench is not a videogame, i could not possibly care less how good or bad my CPU or your CPU benches on that or any other business productivity test

a 265k on the most insane possible overclock lost to a stock 7800X3D in CS2 lmao

>>106794606
and a 9070XT loses to a 3080 in CS2

>>106794612
ok but that's not a CPU

>>106794616
suddenly it doesn’t matter when poodeon is dog slow

>>106794606
> i could not possibly care less how good or bad my CPU or your CPU benches on that or any other business productivity test
Except you've been doing it all this time.
AMD's continuing to design CPU cores with SMT because their clients want them for existing/legacy software support. That's it.
Intel's supposedly making CPUs with HT to compete in the same market.

>a 265k on the most insane possible overclock lost to a stock 7800X3D in CS2 lmao
Yes, keep comparing a Vcache-less CPU's gaming performance to the 7800X3D.
The fact that this CPU matched the 9800X3D's performance in a CPU-intesnive game like Cyberpunk shows those physical cores are running fine.
You're also probably too dumb to realize Arrow Lake's starting at a +20ms memory latency disadvantage.
It's not just about SMT.

>>106794627
i thought we were talking about the 265k, which on the most insane possible overclock lost to a stock 7800X3D in CS2 lmao

>>106794631
Yes, the same 265K that matched an OC'd 9800X3D's performance in Cyberpunk. lmao

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>it's not real
>it's not real
>okay it's real but it doesn't matter

>>106794630
>+20ms memory latency disadvantage.
+20ns

>>106794636
>with raytracing maxed
kek
cp2077 has basically nothing going on in its open world so this only shows the 265k is faster when pushing very small game data buffers to the GPU

>>106794630
>Intel's supposedly making CPUs with HT to compete in the same market.
because they're now in a better place financially and can afford to spend silicon on a useful feature again

Reminder that you should plan to spend at least as much on your display(s) as on your graphics card. Fake pixels and fake frames might look bad when you're playing vidya, but a shitty display will look bad all the time.

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>>106794669
RT adds extra load to the CPU. And you're downplaying the fact that the tuned 265K is matching the OC'd 9800X3D's 1% lows in the 8 game average.

>useful feature again
Legacy feature asked by customers. It's like the US being stuck with the imperial unit of measurement.

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>>106794681
I want an OLED but the tech just isn't there yet. I will wait.

>>106794705
Buy an oled and in 5 years or so when you're ready to build a new computer, you can buy a new oled with all the problems solved.

>>106794681
I spent $2.5k on my GPU but my monitor was only $1k

>>106794690
>RT adds extra load to the CPU
per frame yes, but RT cuts the framerate by a lot more, and 2077 has very low scene complexity in terms of total entities and objects so it's doubly useless here
CP2077 with RT is a dishonest test for CPU benchmarking

>>106794705
OLED is rather old at this point. I don't think it will ever "be there" at all, at this point I'm just hoping some new tech comes out and it's less fundamentally compromised.

What would I be looking at to run demanding games like God of War: Ascension through RPCS3 at 2k 144hz? I'd like 4k but I don't think that's realistic given the extra layer of separation. My Acer craptop isn't gonna cut it. It has an Intel i7-11800H, RTX 3050ti, and 16gb DDR4 RAM. I don't plan to play modern games. I'll pay 2000ish for everything

>>106794733
>CP2077 with RT is a dishonest test for CPU benchmarking
Not @ 720p, which was the tested resolution.
Keep downplaying the fact that tuned 265K was able to match an OC'd 9800X3D's 1% lows while having no L3 V-Cache & starting at a worse memory latency.
If SMT is as critical as you think it is, that feature should've given the 9800X3D a decent advantage in a decently coded game like Cyberpunk.

>>106794749
a very good cpu and a modern budget gpu

>>106794766
Really? I was half expecting completely impossible because of the state of 7th gen emulation

>>106794733
I'm cpu bottlnecked with rt on (not overdrive) but am gpu bound with rt off.

>>106794752
SMT isn't critical in a game where fucking nothing happens or even exists outside of line of sight or more than 50m from the player


>>106794770
post specs

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>>106794778
Are you going to ignorantly claim MS FS isn't CPU demanding because "nothing happens"?
These two games are notoriously CPU demanding, and MS FS is one of the few games that justifies using frame generation.

So is Intel gonna stop making new GPUs again now that NVIDIA has them by the balls

>>106794863
Intel will probably use NVIDIA GPU chiplets for their high-end APUs, everything below will use in-house GPUs.

Best money:performance 4-6-8TB storage model i can buy for a media archive in your normal mid tower desktop at home?
I am fine with an hard disk too, ideally nothing that will do a lot of CLANK CLANK CLANK noises when in operation

>>106794888
This WD 8TB CMR drive should be good enough.
You might find better deals in the used market.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bNCZxr/western-digital-wd-blue-8-tb-35-5640-rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd80eaaz

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what app does /pcbg/ use to monitor cpu temperature?

>>106795018
hwinfo64 but mostly nothing because my system is already configured optimally

>>106795018
You can use HWInfo or Ryzen Master for AMD CPUs, but don't run both programs at the same time.

>>106795018
lm-sensors

>>106795040
kinda meh without the chipset driver. way more sensors if you install it

>>106795069
sure

>>106795018
i use hwinfo64 with a custom python script that displays all my stats on my keyboard's lcd (logitech g15)

is there a good site or business that does custom length and sleeved cables?

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Couple of weeks ago, I asked for advice for this all white build (now with light pastel blue accents), this is the final build. The case is Balam Rush Tank Master 9600TB, kinda looks like the Y60 but it's cheaper and my budget was pretty strained at this point. I bought the 7800X3D and 9070 both from Aliexpress, the cpu was 200 bucks, I really thought I was about to get scammed, even though it was a reputable seller with thousands of successful sales. Anyway thanks for the suggestions, especially the guy that suggested a white modular psu, the cables don't look quite like cablemod's but they're nice enough
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JYJwdb

>>106795543
I was the guy that suggested the White PSU and it looks pretty sick. Hope you enjoy.

>>106795543
Is that Shiki?

>>106795543
>waifu backplate
im surprised manufacturers havent made more of these

>>106792062
I would be laughing at this with my Mesa drivers but glycin devs have been ruining my system with their troonigger code lately.

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isnt 7500F with rtx 5070 a bit overkill or should i wait for 11800xd?

>>106795746
I T D E P E N D S
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>>106795751
in my country only available for 7800x3d and 980x3d are tray
the chinks no longer export to bulgaria

>>106795770
So your question is if the 7500F is too slow to pair with a 5070?
Its fine to pair them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mwrYcf/seagate-barracuda-computer-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm008

is htis good for server

>>106794393
They were hoping chiplet economics would give them an advantage in gpus like it does in cpus but that shit never really materialized.

>>106795860
https://www.seagate.com/products/cmr-smr-list/
Looks like it's SMR which presents issues depending on how you use it for server stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC0UDtCiYgI

/pcbg/bros, what is the best SSD and MDD?

>>106795860
>HDD <8TB
shiggy

>>106795867
>2025
>still being a chiplet

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>>106795908
You rang?

>>106795954
My question is more about Quality to price

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>try to find darkish wallpapers for my oled display
>so many AI shit pics of superheroes pasted on a black background or some anime cyberpunk girl
>most pictures on websites are compressed jpgs, if its nature images they're often smartphone pics with no real detail since the camera captures so little light and AI cleans it up
>actual graphic designers upload compressed jpgs with color banding on twitter

why

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>>106795543
I'll never understand, as an adult, the urge to adorn things with toddler cartoon characters.

>>106796042
make your own in photoshop/photopea, just put some images/effects you like on a black background

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>>106796042
Stop being emo and gay.
Get yourself some bright cheerful wallpaper.

>>106793464
my alt pc i used to mine on, had a 1800x cpu, it still worked well enough, but even with the OS running on a m.2 drive it felt laggy compared to my 5900x on my main rig at the time.

>>106796042
i thought oleds dont burn-in anymore?

>>106796049
this but any adornments at all in any facet of life

finally figured out why my nuc extreme element kept crashing
intel dynamic power technology
now that I've turned it off in bios it's running stable

>>106796131
They do and burn in is cumulative use of pixels so its silly to use a wallpaper that drives pixels hard
screensaver is set to 3 mins just for the sake of it

>>106796139
wouldnt it be best to have a pure black background then?

>>106796154
no. If I actually use the pc I want things to look pleasant

>>106796161
if you can see your wallpaper, youre using it wrong

Got a basic build with a 5700x3d and a RTX 3080. Need a bit more power to get the 2k/144 dream. If I upgrade to a 5070ti/5080/(5080 super later), will I get the boost I'm looking for, or is the CPU going to hold me back too much? (Game examples; MonHun Wilds, FF15 modded, Dolphin emulation, Ryujin Citris emulation)

>>106796184
the gpu bottlenecks in most AAA games
buy the 5070 ti super and see how it goes

>>106796131
thats just cope from buyers remorse idiots who will sacrifice anything to get the shiniest new gimmick tech. If your monitor isn't going to last you a decade of regular use if you take care of it (ie: not striking it or damaging the screen), its not worth buying, period.

>>106795893
oh shit its 3.5 inch
i didnt know that
i need 2.5
does it exists

>find a nice wallpaper png on one site
>theres reupload on another side as jpg with color banding

why do they do this? Holy shit

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>>106796228
Its to flex on OLED-nigs with our HDR monitors that don't burn in.

>>106796228
Takes less disk space and bandwidth

>Budget: SN7100, NM790

shit
just get 870 EVO 250gb

>>106796224
ssd

>>106796312
do they even make those anymore?

should i be turning on smooth motion?

>>106796322
No

>>106796326
why not? what's that technology even for then

>>106796277
>heres shit that no one would want to use
>but having shit no one wants is better for our bandwidth :D

>>106796328
For watching sports on TV
>>106796331
They still get ad revenue

>>106795069
chipset driver?
enlighten me, anon-sama

>>106796347
>For watching sports on TV
??????

>>106796350
Smooth Motion technology is for watching sports on TV.

>>106796350
the worst viewing experience is low fps + high motion
so 8 fps anime panning scenes, sports benefit the most from interpolation

in >60 fps games or something its less useful

>>106796350
You never been into a TV shop before? Every TV is running local sports or some commercial. It's the best test case for motion clarity and colors.

>>106796348
NTA but some sensor programs need additional drivers to work properly. Hwinfo64 auto installs some for example and they only get loaded when you load the program. Without them you get bugged sensors on mobos or GPUs

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What can I do with my old i5 4440 and RX 570 PC? Install Linux and use it as a "retro" (pre-2018) gaming and emulation "console" on the living room TV? Currently it's running Windows 10 from when my brother used it as his PC to play Roblocks and GTA 5 after school, before getting his own laptop.

>>106796469
Turn it into a plex box. People used og Xbox and 360 aas a media center and it has like 10x worse specs

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One ounce of gold or a 5090. Choose.

>>106796490
I can't exactly leave it running 24/7 because of noise and power bill. My options are either repurposing it for some genuine use or taking it apart and putting it all in a box as "spare parts", mainly PSU and GPU, in case something on my main PC fails.

>>106796503
You don't need to have it running 24/7. Put it in sleep mode. Wake it up when you need it. It auto goes to sleep when idle.

>>106796503
>noise
So change the fans? Like the easiest thing to do. Takes 5 mins to replace a og Xbox fan.

What's the cheapest motherboard that still performs well when overclocking a 265k?

>>106796494
5090 astral dahab

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>talks to you about minimalism for 30 minutes

>>106796312
500gb is cheaper rn.
$54.99 vs $57.77, both on Amazon, tho others also sell the 500gb for $54.99.

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Der8auer testes this Thermalright Burst Assassin againt the Noctua NH D15 G2 and it performs almost the same. Cooler is just 33€! Or 45€ with a display.

Also Arctic is often selling refurb/B-grade Liquid freezer IIIs for like 30€ here and they are basically brand new ones with a slightly damaged packaging. Bought my 420 freezer III for 36€ and I can run it with constant low fan speed with my 9800X3D.

Shame everything else is so expensive right now, when you can get great coolers so cheap.

>>106795543
10 fans seem a bit overkill? Also you still left the plastic film on the fans!

>>106797311
if youre going for high airflow and low noise, its worth it

30CL for 200 bucks
or 28CL for 400 bucks??
32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000MHz

>>106797405
The 0.1% performance boost is not worth it.

>>106797405
What kind of monopoly money is that?
Also you can just lower the CAS yourself no need to pay extra. Both kits will use the same chips.

>>106796366
You can probably get better realtime interpolation from a gpu using svp. I thought the tv interpolation algos were more basic.

>>106795908
>MDD
????
>SSD
WD SN8100, T710, 9100 pro

>>106797500
lossless scaling exists

>>106796133
>>106796049
more bizarre than anime girls is niggas paying an extra 200 bucks on a card because it's le white and looks better in muh case

330 bucks for RX9060XT

520 bucks for RX9070

Which is the better deal?

>>106797613
>The Radeon RX 9070 generally offers significantly higher gaming performance (around 52% more) than the RX 9060 XT 16GB

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>>106797613
If you buy the 9070, you are paying a slight premium ($30 or so) for about 50% better performance.
It's a significant performance jump.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/33.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-9060-xt-16-gb.c4293

>>106797613
5070 is also an option

Buy a 9070 XT soon or wait for a 5070 TI SUPER?

>>106797929
You don't need 24GB VRAM for gaming, and it won't be easy to find the 5070 Ti Super near MSRP for a while.

>>106796042
Just sell your OLED at this point. I did sell my OLED to go back to IPS.

>>106797929
70ti Super is going to be 700 dollars over MSRP for a year and a half

>>106798249
for what reason? what did you sell and what did you use instead

>>106796131
bruh

>>106796209
by that token you can't even recommend lcd if you demand a decade of use

>>106796042
install wallpaper engine or use pure black like all the soimales
when are you on desktop wallpaper anyway?