EQ Guide is legitimately too powerful, someone please remove it.

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This nigga drives techtards crazy.

>>106891936
is moondorp good?

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I can't ring.

>>106891955
Endgame.

>>106891943
No IEM driver, speaker, or DAC can ever produce a true δ(t), it would require infinite bandwidth and zero inertia.

>>106891986
My pos can.
The secret?
Chink cum.

>>106891986
Your ears can't perceive a perfect a perfect delta either. The driver just needs to be better than your ear. Paper is better than your ear.

Do you use bluetooth earbuds ?

>>106892035
Tanchjim Mino Asano Tanch Edition

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>>106891986
Multidriver pos can't ever produce even something resembling δ(t).

>>106891936
That's clearly Sennheiser CX300.

>>106892014
why are you talking about paper when pos with paper diaphragms don't even exist?

>>106892043
thanks anon

>>106892074
My answer depends on whether you think paper is better than what's inside your pos or worse :^)

>>106892082
for bookshelf speakers paper is heaven. but this is /iemg/ and I just told you no paper pos exists.

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Today, I will remind them.

>>106892195
and I'll remind you, you're taking that from the same person who's making people pay a premium for tuning all over again when Chu ended that mentality years ago. but there won't be a $5, $10, or even $20 JM-1 stock-tuned 1DD pos in the next year at least

>>106892130
Well? Does painted PU stand up to paper?

>>106892288
wrong general.

>>106892044
And you told me I was being pedantic. No system can produce δ(t), not even a single driver. The goal isn’t a delta impulse, it’s controlled phase and minimal ringing, something multi-drivers can do just fine if the crossover’s designed properly.

does anyone know of any modular cables with swappable 2-pin connectors?

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>>106892415
effect audio kekbles

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stop buying labubu it's time for yukiyuki

>>106892457
>cheapest cable is $129.
thanks anyway

>>106892496
can she breathe in there???

>>106892256
usecase for stock tuning?

>>106892531
How much did you expect quantum channeling to cost?

>>106892676
stock what? jm-1? fine as a neutral baseline for EQ. but that's the assumption, that you'll be eqing the pos.
>>106892689
they got a $6K cable and they state, "delivers a holographic soundstage and exceptional detail retrieval."

Has Chang managed to improve headphones at a low price like he did with IEMs?
My grado SR60s died after 15 years of use. I might just buy another pair but they've tripled in price. Any good alternatives from china?

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>they don't know about fotm pos specific cable synergy
ngmi

>>106892724
I'd pay to see how they came up with that. Even if it is bullshit (it is)

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>>106892719
Only $53 free shipping no tax
https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he-r9-refurbished.html

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>>106892719
Specifically I'm seeing pic-related grado clones and some koss portapro clones on ali. Has anyone heard anything about the grado clones? They look nice enough, and they have a detachable cable which is a welcome improvement. Are pic-related an actual chang headphone brand or is this one of those white label items?

>>106892769
wrong general

>>106892256
>but there won't be a $5, $10, or even $20 JM-1 stock-tuned 1DD pos in the next year at least
Why not? Why doesn't KZ make one?

>>106892706
Why use EQ when you can just buy a POS with tuning you already like?

>>106892719
cheap chink headphones always have shit niggabass tuning, and the ones that dont are complete muffled garbage.
just get a hola

>>106892871
their house tuning has been a v-shaped one for as long as they've been thriving, considering all the models they have. they never have went for anything else, really.
>>106892879
yeah

>>106892879
usecase for not eqing?

>>106892337
usecase for more than 1 driver?

>>106893279
1DD can only do so much, even with EQ.

>>106893279
more control over stock analog FR, that's it

>>106893314
What can't 1DD do? Change the FR depending on the volume? Distort? Mangle the IR to shreds?

>>106892871
KZ unironically doesn't know how to tune IEMs lol they just shove some random drivers in half of which don't even work

>>106892879
insertion depth and individual acoustic impendence will change FR significantly.
so like... you need to buy not IEM with tuning you like but IEM which tuning will turn into tuning you like with your insertion depth and acoustic impendence... which obviously is not really realistic

>>106893314
lol? 1DD can play like 5-30000+ Hz aka it can basically do anything

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>>106892337
A properly designed crossover will neccessarily smear the phase. The steeper the slopes the more distorted the IR. You can only do better with FIR crossovers, but you pay with delay.

>>106893839
That's great and all but.... none of this shit is in any way audible

>>106893847
Is compression audible? Is distortion audible? How many "not audibles" do we have to assume to justify multiple drivers(to do what, increase the weight of the shell)? I do agree that phase isn't audible, but you can't just say phase isn't audible but IR is.

>>106892879
Liking stock tuning is a skill issue.

>>106893876
we do not need to assume anything it's either audible or not and it is not audible.
>(to do what, increase the weight of the shell)
to achieve a tuning in analog way. also they barely weight anything. something like metal shell will be much heavier than most multidriver pos with resin shell (well unless it's some unreasonable amount of drivers)
>but you can't just say phase isn't audible but IR is
well good thing I didn't lol

>>106892719
>15 years of ear crushing
How do people tolerate this. And no headphones still suck. The latest meme is fiio ft1 pro but it's over ear, not on-ear.
>>106892719
Portapros are already as cheap as it gets, might as well get them. Koss makes other stuff too, like kph30i, will be more familiar to you.

>>106893914
>to achieve a tuning in analog way
Use case?
>inb4 studios
Studio gear has dogshit output impedance that will destroy the FR.

>>106893919
>fiio ft1 pro
Regular ft1, pro is ass.

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>>106892496
Buy fox.

>>106893924
>Use case?
Use case what? If market demands some kind of tuning in a specific way IEM makers can deliver. There's no "use case" it just is what it is

>>106893959
We know audioretards will buy anything. What do you personally need analog tuning for if you're going to EQ anyway.

>>106893969
Eh I personally don't "need" anything... or care. But also I don't think everything should be reduced to 1DD lol
I'd like to see better research better IEM targets and better tuning for cheaper. And obviously innovation (which is foolish to expect from chinese manufacturers but who knows)

has eq guide gone undefeated? never seen a complaint about it, is it the certified /iemg/ bible?

>>106894133
>bible
research is not bible
guide can be improved and expanded as new knowledge gets accumulated

>>106894115
>I'd like to see better research better IEM targets
I think everyone agrees that DF + shelf filters (or tilt, which is basically just two wide shelf filter) is the way to go. The gain on these filters is highly individual, so the only open question is how should these filters look like so that most people will be fine with it, so it's only really useful for manufacturers; for individuals (who are able to use eq) it doesn't matter, as you will (most likely) have to eq them anyways.

Remember kids, if your EQ looks like a target you fucked up.

>>106894329
>bass boost
>3khz bump
fml it's over for me isn't it

>>106894115
Ok you don't need it, but what the fuck is his >>106893314 problem.

>>106894356
headfi wannabe engineer, that's what his problem is

>>106894315
Eventually jmzos will learn people prefer more 2kHz.

>>106894315
>I think everyone agrees that DF + shelf filters (or tilt, which is basically just two wide shelf filter) is the way to go. The gain on these filters is highly individual
Studies basically show that listeners prefer the same speakers (aka flat in treated room as usual).
But situation with IEMs is a bit more complicated because they circumvent most ear/body interactions. DF+shelf filters do not really take insertion depth or acoustic impendence or length modes into account. So what you are getting with such studies is people compensating for all that with filters and results are rather unreliable. They are even less reliable when retards are trying to tune their wildly different pos to some synthetic target they have no understanding of. There's also things like same people preferring wildly different targets (ie 2019 and SG). A lot of research can be done about compensation of said differences and safeguarding of original tuning. Airpods already compensate shit below 1k or whatever it was. Most pos aren't anywhere close to that.
>so it's only really useful for manufacturers
well the problem is they are all retarded and do not do their own sound quality research
>as you will (most likely) have to eq them anyways
Most people do not EQ. And most EQs are not user friendly at all. There's no easy or user friendly system wide EQ solutions for anything. Literally all audio gear makers are lazy faggots and snake oil salesmen, shit's grim.
Nevermind all the other shit that's barely researched like "technicalities", their relation to FR, brain, time domain (lol) etc especially RELATIVE to IEMs. Fuck all is done.

>>106894392
>Eventually jmzos will learn people prefer more 2kHz.
Do they? Why?

>>106892797
try Simgot EA500LM, it has better texture and slam

>>106894575
Harman's biggest flaw is they're still using that dogshit sennheiser bullet pos in 2025 and align the length mode at insane 10kHz. If they used a normal IEM from the start nobody would be complaining since they would arrive to a normal target - 250Hz and 5.5 kHz is exactly what changes from the insertion depth, aside from length modes.

>>106894575
bro, it's impedance
>time domain (lol)
fastest pos is staxshit isn't it

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>>106894633
IEMs are faster.

>>106894669
>CRA no tips, no filters
imagine the sheer resolution and speed...

Based techs: fucked up FRs, high distortion.
Objective techs: HRTF matching, hearing loss compensation, acoustic impedance, volume, ambient noise.
Cringe techs: believing anything that the manufacturer or ecelebs wrote, price brackets.

>>106894356
well he didn't elaborate (probably out of chatGPT prompts)... guess we'll know tomorrow.
Funny thing about LLMs... as they get better they also get stronger academic bias... VERY SOON they'll stop stroking his ego and start giving him actually right answers based on research that he won't like lol... That'll be actual death of GPTzo

>>106894633
Time domain is an essential part of how brain recognize where sound is coming from. Fully ignoring it would be wrong. But in what way (if at all) it can influence "soundstage" or "imaging" in IEMs is an open question. I suspect it's less about how fast it is and more about actual timing, delay etc. but I have no idea

>>106894685
>as they get better they also get stronger academic bias
doubt it, there's not much information (in the grand scheme of things) on the most basic of concepts, so llms will have trouble with that.
it's all in basic undergrad books anyways, and most resources available online gloss over these concepts since they're a prereq
what's the point of being up to date on the latest research if the basics can't be explained
>>106894700
none of that matters, pick up any book on signal processing and electroacoustic, timing/phase = fr

>>106894700
Time domain only matters as a difference between channels and is 100% not audible within one channel. The ear will even merge two peaks into one peak if they're within 10ms of each other. It works less like a mic and more like RTA analyzer.

>>106894620
>align the length mode at insane 10kHz
hey... I have ear canal resonance at 10k lol (well almost it's like 9200-9800). Shit is not great btw.

>>106894709
>>106894716
yet nobody can say what the fuck people hear when they hear "soundstage" in IEMs which don't even have anything related to soundstage going on.

EQ Guide is brown.

>>106894814
proof?
it's more black-blueish on my screen

>>106894777
Because it's not a function of the ear. When people can't see what they're listening to they can't even tell open-backs from closed-backs and headphones from speakers lol. You must be groomed into hearing soundstage.

>>106894863
>Because it's not a function of the ear.
I dunno if I agree with it. Brain uses ears and time difference between sound's arrival to determine where it's coming from.
>When people can't see what they're listening to they can't even tell open-backs from closed-backs and headphones from speakers lol.
well that's true but also it doesn't mean we should just stop researching those things. Even if they can't tell the difference.. but should they? What if methodology was flawed or it asked the wrong questions? There are other ways to spot differences than just playing music.
>You must be groomed into hearing soundstage
not in my experience... but I can't tell either way for sure

>>106894853
it's brown by spirit

>>106894902
>Brain uses ears and time difference between sound's arrival to determine where it's coming from.
Doesn't happen inside IEMs or headphones.

>>106894913
it's ingrained into the song itself

it's the same topics over and over, this is like the 84th discussion on soundstage and localization this year

>>106894925
it's just deafzo (or two of them) and his (their?) scientistic drivel over and over in order to turn /iemg/ into reddit

>>106894921
So either every IEM should play it the same because IEMs can't modify inter-channel information or soundstage is unrelated to recording.

>>106894932
it's the same 2 retards that don't know anything about soundstage and think that phase and time domain nonsense have a role, and the same 2 insufferable idiots that have to correct them over and over

>>106894921
>have song
>playback on pos
>record playback
>compare initial track with pos playback track
>realize that only the spectrum changed
>realize that the only losses are due to distortion
>realize that the non-null products are overwhelmingly influenced by fr of pos and not distortion

>>106894932
>just let me be wrong in peace bro

Getting some new cables for my Black Fission, can't wait for them to arrive.

>>106894913
>Doesn't happen inside IEMs or headphones.
that's the point... (also it can happen)

>>106894949
without those two wannabe-omniscient thirdie poorfags spamming these threads almost constantly, the other retards wouldn't even respond but just enjoy their pos as it's intended
>>106894965
wrong or not, repeating the same shit about FR=IR over and over makes me think that you deafzos aren't even humans (and don't have human rights), but rather purposely-trained LLMs made specifically to spam /iemg/

>>106895036
>wrong or not, repeating the same shit about FR=IR over and over makes me think that you deafzos aren't even humans (and don't have human rights), but rather purposely-trained LLMs made specifically to spam /iemg/
retarded low IQ take.
Why do you even care anyway?

>>106895036
>but rather purposely-trained LLMs made specifically to spam /iemg/
ironic

>>106891936
How do you guys clean the gunk out of IEMs/true wireless IEMs?

>>106895051
stop spamming these threads right now
>>106895055
accusing others of being GPT is pointless when phrases like:
>FR=IR
>techs are mental illness
>soundstage is a delusion
>simple as
are being either copy-pasted literal HUNDREDS of times or just subtly changed, which LLM is perfectly capable of, in fact it's how they hallucinate

>>106895102
you can't see autism symptoms and conclude they're using llms, they're just retarded
if you want ai, look at this faggot >>106890856

Only KZ PR2 has techs.

>>106895151
SVPERNOVA TRVKE

>>106895128
the faggot you cited just inserted actual gpt (and grok) output and marked it as such, there's a difference between that and deafzos posting the exact same things over and over for a year already, without showing signs of fatigue
even obsession has its limits and no one will pay for such posts (unlike shilling thiefaudio by taint), so I give 30% of chance they're LLMs or even a single LLM, with 70% that they have actual terminal mental illness and do drugs on top on that

>>106895178
> posting the exact same things over and over for a year already, without showing signs of fatigue
anon, it's been over half a decade, these are not new ideas that someone just came up with and stuck around for years, these are just very basic concepts that have been known for decades
>even obsession has its limits
you weren't around for chuzo i'm guessing?
>so I give 30% of chance they're LLMs or even a single LLM, with 70% that they have actual terminal mental illness and do drugs on top on that
more like 0.01% and 100%

>>106895102
>stop spamming these threads right now
Normal discussion is not a spam.
>are being either copy-pasted literal HUNDREDS of times or just subtly changed, which LLM is perfectly capable of, in fact it's how they hallucinate
What the fuck does it even mean? Copypasted? It's simple facts that are being contested. Those facts are often accompaneid by a lto of explanation and even links to research papers.
Why are you buttmad about actual facts instead snake oil like "driver quality"? Hmmmm?? You are self reporting,

>>106895036
FR=IR is being repeated because retards still don't get it. This "problem" has been solved before audio was even invented.
>I autoeqd two IEMs to the same target and they still sound different?
>must be the IR!
No, retard, your EQ is wrong, read the guide. And LLMzo never even did that, he hallucinated the entire thing. He merely *planned* to get a JM-1 IEM and then learn how to autoeq other IEMs to JM-1 - to hear "driver quality". This is the level of retardation we're working with here.

>>106895178
>cited just inserted actual gpt (and grok) output and marked it as such
this time... mostly because he was exposed using LLMs and decided to stop hiding it and act as if they are in any way an authority on audio lol (meaning he's a braindead retard)

>>106895268
>No, retard, your EQ is wrong, read the guide. And LLMzo never even did that, he hallucinated the entire thing. He merely *planned* to get a JM-1 IEM and then learn how to autoeq other IEMs to JM-1 - to hear "driver quality". This is the level of retardation we're working with here.
People really forget this part lol. Amount of hilarious shit this retard produced should not be underestimated.
Latest is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle lmao

>>106895223
at least chuzo jumped from one topic to the other and had intense but temporary obsessions, that's what made his posts funny and enjoyable, unlike fucking deafzo's monotonous drivel on single topic
>>106895250
normal discussion ended months ago, the topic is closed, you said what you wanted to say, from that point it's just a deliberate spam and nothing more
>simple facts
you said those simple facts months ago, see above
>>106895268
>retards still don't get it
go sign up to Audio Science Review where Amir might appreciate your attention to detail, determination to educate people and whatever else
you've already fulfilled your mission here and from that point it's spam - see above

>>106895178
The faggot you're defending fed a picture with 2 visible graphs, 1 hidden, to chatgpt, and hallucinated a review of a hidden graph. When you see retarded time domain shit it's chatgpt even if it's not marked as such.

>>106895309
See >>106894965

>>106895309
>normal discussion ended months ago, the topic is closed, you said what you wanted to say, from that point it's just a deliberate spam and nothing more
>>simple facts
>you said those simple facts months ago, see above
what the fuck are you proposing exactly? just let people spread lies and misinformation uncontested?
self reporting again

>>106895345
>just let people spread lies and misinformation uncontested?
that's /iemg/'s bread and butter. don't be naive.

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>>106895420
Fox DAC doesn't have this problem.

>>106895398
>that's /iemg/'s bread and butter. don't be naive.
elaborate

>>106895453
no.

>>106895268
>>must be the IR!
>No, retard, your EQ is wrong,
Giving too much credit to untrained listeners. They hear a difference even when literally has changed. The next hurdle is volume - if you have no rig it's over for you. Only after normalizing the volume and proving you're able to hear the FR does the FR start to matter. Most will unironically learn more by EQing 1 IEM to different IEMs shartur-style than by actually listening to those IEMs. Without stupid shit like EQing bullets to pseudo-customs and BA bass to DD bass of course.

>>106895612
*literally nothing

>>106894580
This was revealed to me in a dream.

>>106895612
FR≠everything

>>106895976
proof?

>>106895976
Chatgpt lost.

>>106896003
>>106896004
samefag. I accept your concession.

>>106896024
Lurk more.

>>106896003
Match FR, then measure CSD, distortion, and IR. You’ll see what FR doesn’t show

Simzo won.

PR2 is the best EQing $5 shitbud. Outperforms $150 pos even. NoEQs will never experience this

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>>106896033
I don't see anything.

>>106896052
Ugly faceplate.

>>106896086
>I'm gay.
I accept your concession.

>>106896100
Who are you quoting?

>>106896033
>Match FR
meaning?
>then measure CSD and IR
That's FR
>distortion
what are you expecting to see in distortion measurements?
>You’ll see what FR doesn’t show
What are you basing this claim on?

>>106896052
why PR2 instead of EDC pro or frankly any other <$10 POS?

>>106896052
>Outperforms $150 pos even.
Performance is inversely related to the price. You need to compare it to cheaper IEMs. I'm like 90% sure edc pro has lower distortion than pr2.

KZ won.

>>106896143
they can't even tune their pos

>>106896128
PR2 is a legit gem and everybody that owns one knows it.
>>106896131
technobabble. you don't know shit about fuck.

>>106896175
>distortion is technobabble
No wonder you're using headpos.

>>106896168
wdym? v-shaped is fun.

>>106896175
>PR2 is a legit gem and everybody that owns one knows it.
That doesn't really answer my question

>>106896193
>you're using headpos
am I?

>>106896195
there's a v-shape and there's shit KZ is shitting out

>>106896204
edc pro isn't nearly as resolving as PR2. simple as.

>>106896216
sounds like a preference issue

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>>106896193
Distortion is a good thing actually.
>>106896195
They get it by accident. They don't know how to intentionally achieve v-shape. They just put things into shells without checking what they do. A $0.001 mesh? Probably useless, get rid of it.

>>106896168
usecase for tuning?

>>106896128
>>106896131
>>106896220
PR2 EQs better try to keep up lads

>>106896220
>edc pro isn't nearly as resolving as PR2
well it doesn't have nearly as much earrape... which is a good thing

>>106896301
Better than what?

>>106896284
this
>>106896244
it's less about use cases and more about KZ being hacks who sell you garbage

>>106896301
>EQs better
what does that mean

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>>106896175
>everybody that owns one knows it.
everybody that owns one:

>>106896301
>>106896306
depending on the revision.

>>106894925
usecase for 85th discussion on soundstage?

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PR2 for techs

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an EQing beast like the PR2 deserves bit-perfection and enough juice

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>>106894814
usecase for browns?

>>106896499
latest revision PR2 without the dampening is the EQ king

>he doesn't even know what bit perfect means
Bruh.

Wow the airpod pro 3s actually do suck. Treblenigger shit. Are there any good iems with airpod level anc that dont sound like shit? I tried the sonys and the anc sucks

>>106896838
probably no

>>106896828
EQ makes the bits to be played back bit perfectly. How brown are you? Your comprehension of the time domain is lacking.

>>106896916
Fucking retard lmao

>>106896953
You really don't know how music is made either.

>>106896676
yes.
>>106896699
completely contradictory statement, but PR2 deserves the best.
>>106896734
not sure about that. the og batch with the mesh seems to be the holy grail

>>106896916
So this is the power of hd700 dent...

Can 20 dollar TWS sound good with EQ?
Or too many limits from driver, amp, distortion etc.?
I need ANC when I'm walking downtown, too much traffic noise.

>>106897037
if you're noeq maybe. just EQ it electronically instead of relying on the foam to EQ it

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love this lil nigga like you wouldn't believe

official /iemg/ faq:
copper diaphragm - sandwich bag painted gold
titanium diaphragm - silver condom wrapper
beryllium diaphragm - sandwich bag painted grey
carbon nanotube diaphragm - sandwich bag painted black
PU diaphragm - tupperware lid
DLC diaphragm - pu diaphragm sprayed with graphite dust
nano coated diaphragm - pu diaphragm with thin layer of paint on it
biological diaphragm - paper
planar - plastic bag
balanced armature - paperclip wrapped in wire
custom balanced armature - Bellsing
electrostatic - condom with iron filings glued to it
piezoelectric - apple II pc buzzer
bone conduction - dd without any membrane at all
new generation - 20 year old design
super powerful magnet - a normal magnet

audiophiles
- can afford nice things, makes graph niggas jealous
- understands different interconnects influences sound via impedence changes
- richfags larping with their money
- established and white
- gets called out for wasting money but they don't give a fuck
- can hear an IEM just by looking

eqtards
- peqs $5 shitbuds to perfection
- isn't afraid of aliexpress, lets the chinese government subsidize his (you) hobby
- desciples of the EQ guide
- understands the time domain
- has expendable income, doesn't expend it
- true winter warriors who will travel far and wide to find a shitbud just to eq for fun
- takes their EQ'd IEMs to the gym

graphfags
- loves to pick fights, usually impotent
- knows the science
- can hear an IEM just by looking
- desciples of peqdb and squig
- schizophrenic
- claims nobody read EQ guide
- would have amazing sex with audiophiles
- brown

multi-driver pos owners
- refuses to buy anything under $100
- has large collection of big name vintage IEMs from 2-5 years ago
- enlightened abuser of amazon's return policy
- can afford nice things but snobby over $200-300 pos
- blindingly white, in their 20's and 30's

>>106897160
I'll pass. mine's smooth enough without it.

>>106897211
official schizobabble

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impulse buy

>>106897037
>not sure about that. the og batch with the mesh seems to be the holy grail
said nobody ever

>>106897098
>Can 20 dollar TWS sound good with EQ?
anything can sound good with EQ. What tws are you talking about?
>Or too many limits from driver, amp, distortion etc.?
doubtful

>>106896838
how about galaxy buds 3 FE?
>I tried the sonys and the anc sucks
weird I thought people praised sony's anc? is it really that much worse than airpod's?

>>106897172
*hiss*

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What wired earphone brands do you guys recommend from AliExpress? And any dac usbc to usbc charging + 3.5mm adapters?

>>106897172
Where did you get these? and is the battery replacable? Do they hold up to sweat if you're working out?

>>106897211
All me btw.

>>106897450
Cmf buds pro 2

>>106897347
Pretty bad, introduces a big treble peak in my ears

>>106896916
Suddenly I don't believe you EQ at all. Show config.

>>106896916
>Your comprehension of the time domain is lacking
can you explain time domain to me? please?

>>106898009
It refers to matching IRs using a single seating on an inaccurate coupler, which will never replicate real-world conditions.

>>106898059
without chatGPT

>>106898059
You can take 100 different sitting and in every single one of them IR will completely correspond to FR. In case chatgpt didn't tell you IR changes from the fit too. In real world conditions you will have a specific FR at the eardrum with a corresponding IR at the eardrum. If you match the FRs by ear the IR will become the same too. IR has simply never been a separate thing from FR, it's just a different perspective on the same data.

>>106898135
>In case chatgpt didn't tell you IR changes from the fit too
Are you retarded? That's exactly my point. It's just amusing to post a single match when it disappears if you move just 1mm.
>If you match the FRs by ear the IR will become the same too
Retarded. It is impossible to match peaks and dips by ear or to confirm the frequency response reliably without probe mics, which will have significant errors due to positional placement. No one in the literature gives credibility to auditory memory either.

>>106898196
>It is impossible to match peaks and dips by ear
Skill issue.

>>106898059
>In mathematics, the Fourier transform (FT) is an integral transform that takes a function as input, and outputs another function that describes the extent to which various frequencies are present in the original function. The output of the transform is a complex-valued function of frequency.
>The Fourier transform is analogous to decomposing the sound of a musical chord into the intensities of its constituent pitches.
They came up with this 200 fucking years ago.
That's how late you are lmao

>>106898196
>>106898200
The real skill issue is EQing one IEM to another instead of EQing 2 IEMs to something good, without peaks and dips.

>hurr durr i rely on auditory memory to match 2 iems and i volume match by ear

>>106898196
>Are you retarded? That's exactly my point. It's just amusing to post a single match when it disappears if you move just 1mm.
You quite literally don't know what you are talking about.
It also has fuck all to do with time domain.
>It is impossible to match peaks and dips by ear or to confirm the frequency response reliably without probe mics
What? Are you deaf or something?
>which will have significant errors due to positional placement.
it depends. Define "significant errors"
>No one in the literature gives credibility to auditory memory either.
Auditory memory is irrelevant.

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>>106898218
*Hilbert transform. Stop using GPT.
>>106898243
Prove you're matching 2 iems by ear. :))

>>106898271
do they have to prove anything? the pos can sound the same despite not measuring the same, i think this is where everyone, including all of you, trip up
matching two responses to be the same is a concept but really not useful in any practical sense

>>106898295
>the pos can sound the same despite not measuring the same
Prove it then.

>>106898271
>Prove you're matching 2 iems by ear. :))
If it's so impossible then how the fuck can you think that difference is driver quality in the first place?

>>106898271
>*Hilbert transform. Stop using GPT.
lmao you are fucking retarded

>>106898310
why does this need any proof?

>>106898315
>>106898319
Embarrassing comeback.

>>106898334
>>106898080
when will you elaborate about time domain without chatGPT?

>>106898321
>Why does science require empirical proof to support its claims?
Embarrassing.

>>106898196
Validation of a Virtual In-ear Headphone Listening Test Method, virtual and real IEMs are 98% similar with a simple autoeq up to 15kHz, no by ear adjustments. Now show me a paper that says they are different despite EQ.
>>106898219
It's a strawman to deflect from his inability to EQ. Invent a much harder task with a result that is guaranteed to be shit.

>look at hilbert transform
>shit added to a fourier transform

>>106898350
what science? you think your shitposts are science now? oh delusions

>>106898350
we have the studies, but even that is not necessary
the fact that one can use eq to completely change the response of an iem is already there, whether or not someone actually achieves perfect matching is not important to the conversation at hand on whether or not iems can have their entire response altered through eq

>>106898351
The paper has not undergone peer review and has not been replicated. Also, the momentum was measured using a 711 coupler, and its length modes were backed in LOL. 0 credibility.

>i see a white paper and i blindly follow it!!
the status of iemg

>>106898371
>claim stupid things
>no support for its claims
>refuses to elaborate further
>proceeds to spam strawman

>>106898468
What stupid things? Are you retarded?
>no support for its claims
are you too stupid to realize the irony here?

>>106898397
>0 credibility.
...what has credibility then?

inb4 chatGPT

for my first dap im thinking about the fiio m21 or shanling m3 plus. they're both around $260 and the only difference i see is that the m3 plus runs android and the fiio has its own os

>still no new turdear pos

>>106898799
they suck anyway

>>106895345
reminder that this is In-Ear Monitors General, we're allowed to talk all the shit we want as long as it's related to IEMs, including but not limited to being wrong in peace for the lulz
there's no rule here to adhere to hard science, in fact, you're on fuckin' 4chan of all things on Earth
seriously, go create account on ASR farms and deboonk misinformation there, although I think even Amir despite being quite strict on scientific topics will make fun of you and your limited worldview, if you think otherwise and want to prove me wrong, then move your ass from here, start posting there and become the new scientific authority or at least one of the trusted peers

>>106899069
sounds like a bunch of excuses from a mentally deficient retard who can't read ngl

why is it so hard to find good bullet iems
i dont want the one dps or the etymotics

>>106899126
one 3.5mm

>>106899089
go back

chatgpt won

>>106899154
>>106899171
so mad kek

>>106897440
motherfucker literally every single person who touched the PR2 knows. dumb faggot

just bought a pair of redmi earbuds but they doesn't show in my laptop or phone when I try to find the device, anything I can do to fix it? it also doesn't have any buttons

>>106899188
why do you need a little piece of foam to EQ? can you prove foam EQs better than software?

>>106899226
its not even that big a deal. its most likely for reflections since a later revision just had them tweak the pcb itself. either way, what's your point?

>>106896676
whats the green thing?

>>106899069
Are you retarded?
>including but not limited to being wrong in peace for the lulz
if being wrong about IEMs is on topic then calling out wrong retards is also on topic?
so shut the fuck up and fuck off

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finally have my rockbox'ed mp3 and my iem. Im so happy to have them. I just need some keychain to hang on it lol

>>106899324
how's the noise floor on that player?

>>106899338
it is ok to me

I've never had sex.

>>106898397
So no paper? I accept your concession. But just saying, you don't need a paper to remove a peak.

>>106899069
Reminder that iemg is not a safe space. If you say dumb shit you will be called out and there's nothing you can do about it. Headfi banned science, maybe you'll like it there better.

>>106899436
So, no peer-reviewed paper? I accept your concession.

>>106899311
nta but cayin ru7 iirc

>tard actually thinks that peer review adds any credibility to a paper
read the paper and judge its methodology by yourself you illiterate twat

>>106899458
usecase for science? (i eq by ear)

>xhe thinks autoeqing a momentum IE from 20 to 15 kHz at a random insertion depth with the 711 length modes baked in is good methodology
Embarrassing.

>>106899531
this has been pointed out for years, find something more relevant to whatever it is that you're trying to convey

>>106899531
what should they have done instead?

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Define "multi-driver pos"

>>106899549
>he doesn't know
it was written by a tranny so it's convoluted. they meant hybrids.

>>106899549
pos with multiple drivers
stupid dumbass

>>106899494
the author being indian removes all credibility.

>>106899531
Even a trash EQ like that produces startlingly good results. Just admit you've never EQd yourself and all the "difference" you hear is purely psychological and disappears in a blind test. Heisenberg did nothing wrong.

>>106899188
name 5

>>106899571
true, but we're talking about olive papers, that man is as white as they come unfortunately

>>106899467
what peer-reviewed studies are you basing your driver quality nonsense on?

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Don't need no fancy equipment, I go RAW

>>106899579
do your own research. I can name 10 for you and you'll still find a way to sperg about it.

>>106899531
and? what exactly is your critique?

>>106899490
thanks. what this expensive thing do? better sound?

>>106899605
I know, you aren't very good with following context. So lemme help you.
>read the paper and judge its methodology by yourself
The methodology is ass (the entire Harman "research" desu).

>>106899669
I don't think you understood their methodology at all

>>106899516
>>106897904

>>106899669
ok and what does that have to do with what you're trying to say?

>>106898439
I personally can do better than a paper and don't need a "source???" for permission to do that. That paper is already enough to btfo your claims that you need quantum precision to match two IEMs. Headphones are much easier to measure in situ but they're only 80% similar. IEM measurements are that good.

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>>106899695
I don't think you'd understand the limitations of the 711 and the difference between 711 and in situ data.

>>106899659
utility-wise, it's made to look like it's making your sound that much better, when it's not. in reality, and this is no hyperbole, it flies in the face of fidelity by the very nature of the way they're using it. with eq. there are tons of dongles out now that put out a few hundred mW, which is all you should worry about for covering your bases with enough power across all the pos you own.
that particular one in the pic you mention, I think that one is R2R. I could be wrong. but like BAs, avoid R2R at all costs

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>i match by auditory memory, why can't you just trust me bruh? this is science bruh

>>106899760
ok and what does that have to do with what you want to say?

>>106899760
enough of us here are familiar with the narrow bandwidth considered remotely 'reliable' in 711 measurements.

>>106899760
okay but what is your critique of their methodology? 711 has limitations... Then what?

>>106899760
>guys you don't know ANYTHING about a topic that has been covered in the eq guide extensively
jesus christ what a pompous asshole

>>106899795
>I can't EQ and I am mad

>yes 711 is ass, we know it!!
>look at this paper autoeqing using 711!!
Hilarious.

>>106899837
keep dodging the questions little retard

>>106899837
You are avoiding the question

>>106899837
If 711 is ass but nobody hears a difference anyway maybe ears aren't as good as you believe they are. We measure things far below audibility threshold. This is no different.

>we know 711 is ass
>that's why we tell people to eq by ear
>711 is ass but our ears are so much worse
>iems can be completely modified with eq
>there is nothing about an iem's acoustics we don't understand
basic statements and yet he struggles so much with them, what is wrong with illiterate tards?

>>106899881
Where's the contradiction?

Driver quality has been proven. You CANNOT EQ certain driver characteristics. For those asking for a paper.

>This paper was peer-reviewed as a complete manuscript for presentation at this conference

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/395011860_Evaluating_the_Effectiveness_of_Virtual_Listening_Tests_for_Balanced_Armature_Headphone_Drivers

>>106899928
there are none, if you're still hung up on perfectly measured matching vs perceptually perfect matching, you should read the eq guide

>>106899937
>guys. let's use unindentified pos
>while we're at it, let take a broken dollar tree 1dd pos with 20% distortion
but let me guess, these are "peer-reviewed" and so the methodology is flawless, the results are scripture, and decades of foundational electroacoustic understanding become irrelevant
read better you dimwit whore

>>106899964
>let take a broken dollar tree 1dd
Did you realize that the 1DD is the same Sennheiser Momentum mentioned in Sean Olive's papers? Just check the FR dumbfuck :))

>>106899937
fags are using pos with 16% THD lol lmao and do not follow harman's methodology
what a joke
>Driver quality has been proven. You CANNOT EQ certain driver characteristics. For those asking for a paper.
they are mostly blaming THD and phase distortion for the difference. both are measurable and not some mythical "driver quality" you are trying to push

>>106899937
You're right. I can't EQ my DD to be worse than a BA. I need whatever they're smoking.

>>106891936
I bought some but they were too heavy for my ears, does this not get annoying after a while?

>>106900067
Buy smaller ones.

>>106900030
>guys just look at the graphs bro they look so similar
not only are you absolutely retarded, but you also have way too much confidence in your reading comprehension if your takeaway from this paper is that it was well done, when the things i pointed out are the least problematic issues with this paper
bad literature review, bad (and worse, unclear methodology), bad results, bad discussion, bad conclusions, these papers are the ones used in most writing classes in undergrad, proof that peer review and publication sources are not a mark of credibility
>>106900031
>both are measurable and not some mythical "driver quality" you are trying to push
and just like these retards, they don't show exactly how they measured these. nothing but opaque numbers, this is a perfect idiot filter

>>106899792
ok thanks anoni

I remember some paper that EQd just the magnitude to flat and then just the phase to flat, and because flat magnitude sounded worse than flat phase they concluded phase is more important. That's science for you.

>>106900103
sounds like the average acoustic paper ngl

>>106900030
>Did you realize that the 1DD is the same Sennheiser Momentum mentioned in Sean Olive's papers? Just check the FR dumbfuck :))
is it tho? half of senh pos have this kind of FR lol

>eqtards debunked by a paper
>noooooooo not this paper

>>106900067
which ones?

>>106900121
literally nothing is debunked tho
why did you move goalposts tho? what's your critique of "Validation of a Virtual In-ear Headphone Listening Test Method" methodology exactly?

>>106900121
>nooo you can't just say the paper is wrong, it is peer reeeeeviewed

>>106900121
this is the mind of an illiterate fuck who thinks his perception of the world is the truth.
all papers are the same, all anons are the same, everything is the same, and if there is even a bit of discussion around things he doesn't understand, it's a "contradiction"

>Saar, what's your critique of methodology exactly? 711 AutoEQ is very good saar

>>106900201
>illiterate fuck
>ignores all grammar rules
Ironic.

>>106900220
How is it relevant to the study?
why not just answer the question lol you dumb fuck?

>>106900232
so you're saying that abysmal reading comprehension is on the same level as having slightly off sounding sentences?
nice priorities, now answer the questions

>Saar, how's the methodology relevant to the study? 711 won't overestimate the bass and mismatch the length modes, saar. It's the same FR saar

>>106900247
All I'm saying is you're a dumbfuck.

>>106900259
okay it did all that... but then what? what was study about?

>>106900259
>>106900272
ok, now reply to every question before
hell, just read the eq guide, although you'll probably end up coming away with another nonsensical conclusion

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>I can't EQ by ear unless somebody else does
I did it, you can EQ now.
>but I need a white paper
Here's white paper.

>>106900303
is the paper peer-reviewed by jaes and aes??

driver quality won

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>>106900030
Here's momentum's THD... it is not 16%. Harman's paper mentions several times that replicator should have low distortion.
They also did not use mics to confirm the seal so half of their data can be explained by seal and fit problems lol

>>106900319
I peer reviewed it. It is indeed white paper.

good sound is bad, most music is bad, good sound make bad music sound worse.
only use apple airpods.

>>106900349
THD and nonlinear response matter now, driver quality confirmed. Thanks.

>>106900349
no no no anon, they simply used their pos at *slightly* higher volumes than normal (138db) and used an innovative method of checking seal called validation by asking the subject if it sounds good (they don't know what sounds good)
>>106900355
well i'll be damned, seems like this white paper has been peer-reviewed
>>106900358
now THIS is based, itoddlers won

>>106900367
bro most $5 pos have excellent THD and nonlinear response.
only thing this confirms is that you are retarded and have no reading comprehension or critical thinking

>>106900367
what matter is that you tried to say that they used same pos when it's demonstrably not true.
now suddenly you forgot about it huh?
Just check the FR dumbfuck LMAO

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Buy EDC Pro.

>>106900370
frankly half of paper reads as if chatGPT wrote it... I won't be surprised if it did...

https://youtu.be/4CuJqtNdcJU?list=RD4CuJqtNdcJU
that's the track they used for localization evaluation btw for those who's curious

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>>106900412
You're the retard claiming everything is irrelevant, just match by ear and trust 711 bruH!
>>106900424
Whatever, it's a Sennheiser iem that matches Momentum FR, not "a dollar tree 1dd".

>>106900471
>paper written by a reddit headfi audiopedophile
that makes 1000% more sense

>>106900442
bought it long ago

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Thank Xi for giving us free IEMs with sub 1% THD.
Thank you Xi!

>driver quality doesn't exist, all drivers behave the same after EQ'd saar
>oh wait...high THD is a problem !!

>>106900478
>You're the retard claiming everything is irrelevant, just match by ear and trust 711 bruH!
that's just childish "no you" response lmao I'm LITERALLY asking you to explain how it is relevant to the paper. And you can't. Are you really that stupid?
>Whatever, it's a Sennheiser iem that matches Momentum FR, not "a dollar tree 1dd".
I told you half of their pos have this exact FR it doesn't mean anything at all. They did not name it. Why? How the fuck does it have 16% distortion? Why did they not follow the methodology?

>>106900531
>>106900531
>>106900531

>>106900516
We literally never claimed otherwise EVER. The problem is that most IEMs have extremely low distortion... And it doesn't really correlate with price either.
You've been told that modern IEM's driver quality is good enough again and again and again. Did you forget all that? Amnesia? Or are you just retarded? Explain yourself, faggot.
Guess EDC pro has the cosmic quality fucking drivers then. For 0 dollars.
>>106900442
which revision is this?

>>106900090
I'm kidding about the BA part though ;p

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>>106900516
Oh, so now THD is driver quality.

>>106900554
THD is based on tuning and eq profile, planars just do this better

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>>106900800
False.

>>106900810
Is that a (worthless) THD chart of an untuned planar?

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>>106900860
Cope.

>>106900869
Should've picked a planar with less distortion tuning then.

>>106902098
Shouldn't have asked chatgpt.

>>106893245
>usecase for not eqing?
You already like the sound and don't want to ruin it.

It's like when I bought 10 different tips to try on my Aful Explorers. Turns out they all sounded a bit different, but I didn't prefer any over the included tips, so now I'm just using the originals. Probably helps that I had gotten used to that sound already. Any other sound then sounded "wrong" to me.

>>106902205
usecase for eqing with tips?

>>106900497
$5 shitbuds keep winning