anyone else own the Tanchjim echo's? I tried messaging Tanchjim about the left earbud constantly losing power faster than the right earbud and they havent really given me an answer or solution

nobody has ever read the eq guide

>>106917555
I have but I'm Indian.

>>106917574
No humans have read the eq guide.

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Headpos show: headpos better because less reaction to acoustic impedance.
Meanwhile headpos:

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>>106917661

>>106917661
that's not what they said

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>>106917661
Wtf that's literally my headpos EQ.

headpos law

>>106917679
What did they say then. I'm not rewatching that crap.

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>>106917661
Meanwhile iems:
(plus length modes differences when you change the eartips or insertion depth)

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>>106917865
Meanwhile headpos when you change nothing.

>>106917859
Bro it was like fucking hour+ of discussion. They said a lot. Their take on headpos and pos was more or less accurate. Acoustic impendence as a factor was mentioned in passing and was not the main argument at all.
They didn't say that one is outright better than the other. It just IEMs are not fully there yet but getting there real fast. (there being total defeat of headpos lol)

>>106917929
I'm talking about the video that started it, not the podcast.

>>106917944
https://youtu.be/xKOrHq_7Uw4

>>106917874
>nothing
>mr.sleepy showing positional variance
It's adjusting to your HRTF, so it feels natural. Have you ever measured speakers in-room using MMM? Everything has a degree of variability but not being retarded and finding your sweet spot is rather easy. IEMs require seal + length modes fix, and you bypass any visceral/tactility bass. Just assume you're a cuck.

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What aliexpress earphones should I get if I just care about bass? Or are there any good quality small type of ear phones, not the monitor type that are under $20?

>>106917949
https://youtu.be/OydpxbNZOJk

>>106917963
>It's adjusting to your HRTF, so it feels natural
Sounds like shit in all but the most uncomfortable position. Nothing natural about that. It's simply changing, not adjusting.

>>106917949
>>106917968
Like I said I'm not watching it again. I asked you to correct me.

>>106917522
should a galaxy s23+ be able to properly power kbear fosefinches?
using an apple usb c to 3.5mm adapter and they sound pretty quiet unless the volume sliders over ~75%, is this normal?

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>>106917986
>Sounds like shit
Skill issue.
>It's simply changing, not adjusting.
Lurk more.

>>106918001
that's old as fuck video I also don't remember whatever the fuck it was about.
but it's not like they are WRONG about acoustic impedance

>>106918005
This is literally the same headphone on the same head having a different response. What is it adjusting to? Nothing, it's standing waves in the cups. The same reason why sennheiser treble goes down by 10dB from time.

>>106918005
is there a way to check your own eargain? sine swipes with headphones?

>>106918005
Also 3k is created by the inner ear, not the ear canal. Fucking retard.

>>106918005
I dunno why you are acting as if positional variation is not huge and easily audible. 1mm change is enough to move shit around significantly. Thinking you can wear headpos with 1mm accuracy every time is COPE. It depends on headpos tho some are better than other.

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>>106917966
And what cable should I get?

>>106918051
sure about that?
innear ear is literally behind the eardrum lol

>>106918066
Positional variation is actually just free EQ, if you can EQ by ear you can get consistent placement.

>>106918099
lol you must understand just how annoying it is to deal with?....

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>>106918066
All I'm saying is it's not a big deal if you aren't a retard. IEMs will vary just as much if you don't achieve a good seal or if the insertion depth doesn't match exactly your previous seating (assuming the same eartip), so what's the benefit of iems? Having less visceral bass and bypass pinna/HRTF? Stop coping.

>>106918156
Skill issue

>>106918051
oratory is 100% correct about ear gain depending on ear canal length (shorter ear canal => higher frequency ear gain)

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>Hurr durr headpos positional variance changes every 1mm !!

>>106918089
https://doc.comsol.com/6.0/doc/com.comsol.help.models.aco.generic_711_coupler/generic_711_coupler.html
Side volumes emulate the eardrum and inner ear. So both the headphones and the IEMs have this adjustment.
>>106918172
You can literally see that 3k isn't moving.

>>106918158
IEMs unironically have better bass than most open headpos what are you on about? "visceral"?
I'd agree if you were talking about speakers.
>IEMs will vary just as much if you don't achieve a good seal or if the insertion depth doesn't match exactly your previous seating (assuming the same eartip), so what's the benefit of iems
Positional variation for iems is nowhere near as big. Plus much easier to achieve stable and consistent fit
>so what's the benefit of iems
there are other things like earpad wear. No original earpads on sale? Congrats you are fucked.

>>106918173
1 dimension in IEMs vs 3 dimensions in headphones. There isn't even any obvious pattern to the changes.

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>>106918191
...why are you arguing with literally known facts? What kind of brainrot is this?
>You can literally see that 3k isn't moving.
do you not understand what ear canal length is?

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>>106918005
On flate plate rigs good headpos would produce a flat response just like a flat speaker. Rest is individual adaptation of HRTF/anatomy. Pos can't do that.
Headpos won.

>>106918256
Sorry to say this but your brain is a mush

>>106918254
Literally says &eardrum. If you put a longer tube on the coupler the peak will still be at 3k.

>>106918224
>IEMs unironically have better bass
LOL. You can feel the tactile bass through your skin. Can you feel that with iems? Nope. EQ is free to adjust the level.
>Positional variation for iems is nowhere near as big.
Compare the pics above :)) you're just overreacting at this point.
>Plus much easier to achieve stable and consistent fit
Bingo. It's just as easy with headphones, just don't be a retard!
>No original earpads on sale? Congrats you are fucked.
Bad take. Just don't buy obscure shit.

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>>106918254
>3k eargayn peak is set
>Shows picture with 2,5kHz peaking
Uhh oooohh.....

>>106918276
then it's not simulating real ear correctly

>>106918289
>LOL. You can feel the tactile bass through your skin.
with headpos? do you wear them on your ass?
>Can you feel that with iems
ear canal has skin in it.
>Compare the pics above :)) you're just overreacting at this point.
one or even several pics do not mean anything. You can literally make a thousands measurements for same headpos positional variations. Fit depth of IEMs is not even as relevant cause IEM is suppose to move inside your ear as much... Headphones will shit simply from you moving your head lol
>Bingo. It's just as easy with headphones, just don't be a retard!
That's false. Sadly YOU are a retard.
>Bad take. Just don't buy obscure shit.
Even shit like FT1 doesn't have official pads on sale. Plus fuckers like to ask a fuckton for earpads. Fact is pads will change FR unpredictably additionally to positional variations. And when you buy new ones it will change again. IEMs simply do not have this problem at all.

Best pos with waifu engravings?

>>106918276
>>106918301
Inner ear, ear canal, doesn't matter, neither IEMs nor headpos bypass these, it will shift on both. Headpos doesn't bypass the outer ear, that's 4kHz+. And the result is still shit lol, because we expect diffuse sound, not directional sound. If this actually worked like that then angled driver headphones would sound in front of you. Many tried, all failed.

>>106918345
>with headpos? do you wear them on your ass?
Try a decent over-ear instead of an on-ear next time. Oh wait, too expensive in SEA.
>ear canal has skin in it.
Ik it's hard for you, but the entire pinna and temples have more area to radiate.
>FiiO
LOL
> IEMs simply do not have this problem at all.
Change the eartip, and your EQ is ruined kek.
>endless gibberish
Anyway, keep overreacting to positional variance as a cope. IEMs are objectively inferior.

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>>106918276
Explain to me why would 1st ear gain peak will still be at 3k when your ear canal is shorter? Do all humans have peak at 3k? We literally have individual HRTF measurements and it is demonstrably not true.

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>Headpos seating variation
I am tired, boss...
Don't buy shit gutter oil chink closedbacks and you will have comparable or even less variation than with pos insertion depth.

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>Headpos seating variation
Wow, it's really consistent! More than my pos when I insert 2mm deeper and shift my length mode!

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Uh oh...

>>106918372
>Inner ear, ear canal, doesn't matter, neither IEMs nor headpos bypass these, it will shift on both.
hmm that's not exactly right because IEMs destroy open ear resonances and instead have length modes. Them both not bypassing ear canal is not that relevant when closed off ear canal behaves differently.
IEM's 3k eargain is based on pop average HRTF measurements. It is added in IEMs via tuning. Meaning it won't sound natural for everybody. So oratory IS right regardless.
>And the result is still shit lol, because we expect diffuse sound, not directional sound. If this actually worked like that then angled driver headphones would sound in front of you. Many tried, all failed.
I think directional expectations is a bit of a different question

>Law of Headphones, The Thread
still better than deafzo's endless drivel

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I love this thread, keep it going

>>106918396
>Try a decent over-ear instead of an on-ear next time. Oh wait, too expensive in SEA.
I have a bunch of AKG (601 701 371) and ATH(r70x) headphones... You are trying too hard with your headpos retardation.
>Ik it's hard for you, but the entire pinna and temples have more area to radiate.
and??? It literally doesn't feel that much different. You are coping too hard.
>Change the eartip, and your EQ is ruined kek.
Changing something is not the point. Point is you don't NEED to do it. BUT. Change from eartips is nowhere near as large as change from earpads. Compare any measurement of headpos with different earpads.
>Anyway, keep overreacting to positional variance as a cope. IEMs are objectively inferior.
You failed to demonstrate that.

>>106918423
>>106918460
that's 4 measurements... you can make 4 more or 40 more and all will be different.
It also probably worse on real head with actual hair, glasses, movement etc

>>106918528
>I have a bunch of AKG (601 701 371) and ATH(r70x) headphones
LOL only trash, that explains why.
>You failed to demonstrate that.
It's not my opinion, any acoustic engineer agrees with that.

>the brown IEM poorfag still coping and seething about acoustic impedance, length mode resonance, insertion depth and pinna bypass

Oh nonono

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>headphones: approximate a flat response just like speakers, adapt to individual listener anatomy
>IEM: a mumbojumbo of guesswork and pop averages, no adaptation
Pos lost

>>106918556
>It's not my opinion, any acoustic engineer agrees with that.
Argument from authority? Did you run out of actual arguments?
If you have some objective data about the consensus of acoustic engineers feel free to show it. Otherwise it's just your opinion that doesn't matter.
>LOL only trash, that explains why.
And what is not trash?

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>>106918423
>if you don't move headphones there's no variarion
Thank you earphonesarchive very cool.

>>106918614
both still need EQ so it literally doesn't even matter.

>>106918542
Thats mostly dependent on the model and construction type. Openbacks in general have less reflections and better seating variability. You can find counterexamples which vary by a lot depending on the position.

>>106918627
it's funny how retard just do not understand how headpos measurements work..
not at all surprising but a good demonstration of headpos law.

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What is in (You)r opinion the most comfortable IEM tip for large nozzles? 6.2mm+

>>106918656
>Thats mostly dependent on the model and construction type. Openbacks in general have less reflections and better seating variability.
that's true. but effect just mitigated and not eliminated. everything else about earpads and their behavior is still accurate
>You can find counterexamples which vary by a lot depending on the position.
examples shown in this thread ARE actually with headphones with not as bad positional variations... and it's still fucking bad

>>106918412
>>106918484
3k is built into the rig's eardrum emulation. 5128 and 711 have different canal length but they're still built to have average 3kHz resonance.

anybody care to cliffnotes the chuzo saga for me? what was his/her obsession with it? same thing as edc pro+eq just different pos?

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>>106918684
yes. and that's not how real ear behaves

>>106918729
What does it smell like??

>>106918005
I fully admit my skill issue of being unable to make headphones sound good. So I just use IEMs and speakers lol. I demoed like 40 headphones, with and without EQ. It's not just the treble but the whole tonality is so completely wrong it's irritating to even listen to a podcast. There is a cool effect when you feel the whole headphone rumbling from bass but only leather pad headpos with a sufficient bass boost have this. Akgs, sennheisers etc are dead no matter how much you boost the bass on them.

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>be sean olive
>publish research made on a ghetto rig
>nerds start worshiping it and measuring on a different pinna
>later on shows the target is off
That's audio science.

>>106918748
I'm not going to open it lmao.

>>106918812
"nerds" did not apply his research correctly.

>>106918812
rig is not even relevant harman target was conceived via listening tests

>>106918224
>IEMs unironically have better bass than most open headpos.
this is unironically a lie. bigger speaker=bigger sound. fool.

>>106918412
>We literally have individual HRTF measurements
where? who's HRTFs? how were they taken and when was this done?

>>106918904
just increase the volume LOL

>>106918683
Its model-dependent and for a decent openback you just wiggle them into place, do some on bass EQ and treble, and call it a day as it is not going to change much.
With pos EQ is a less straightforward process with treble fuckery (maybe with the exception of ety) as the 12kHz peak is absolutely cursed thing to get rid of without fucking up the treble clarity. And to make it perfect is basically impossible as it is very position-dependent. If you ever took 711 measurements you will know what I mean, as 1mm variation in seating can shift upper treble peaks by 500 Hz, and don't let the log scale fool you. The best and most consistent EQ results with pos I ever got also required deeper inserts shifting the peak higher up where it can be nuked with a filter without affecting other frequencies so much. Unfortunately, it is quite comfortable.

>>106918913
google it. It doesn't fucking matter who's lol...
>how were they taken and when was this done?
who cares???
Do you think anything will change with this info? Do you actually want to argue that all humans have exact 3k eargain peak? Stop this nonsense at once

>>106918510
the most trans coded image ever mspainted

>>106918916
til volume is soundstage for iemtards. no wonder they're blowing out their eardrums kek

>>106918916
nah. you can't tell me 42mm DD headpos tuned exact same as a 10mm DD pos actually compare. you'd be lying.
>>106918934
yes, it's important to know how these HRTFs were taken into account if I want to utilize something like JM-1. if it's supposed to be an average of varying human differences, I want to know if the entire target it's based off is to be taken seriously, at all.
what do you mean 'who cares'? people that need to be informed before making any decision is who typically cares. everyone else is a dolt.

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>>106918923
I use the shallowest insertion and it's very easy to hit it consistently, they just fall off beyond that. This makes my length modes around 6.7k, 10.5k and 15k. With a hidden 9k dip on some pos. Then I just adjust bass per pos while listening to music. That's the acoustic impedance part I presume.

>>106918981
Listen louder - shit sounds closer. Listen quieter - shit sounds further away. Manufacturers hate this simple trick!

>>106919026
you're right therein it sounds shit

>>106919001
while he keeps selling $250 pos and place its inherent value in its tuning.. this hobby is so stalled and heartbreaking

this thread should be a reminder to everybody to only read the eq guide and to not listen to the retards spamming retarded takes

>>106918923
>If you ever took 711 measurements you will know what I mean, as 1mm variation in seating can shift upper treble peaks by 500 Hz
I mean... I don't need a rig for that... I can hear peaks shifting with my ears. And they do not necessary shift in a way rigs show...

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>>106917522
Charge your phone OP

>>106918982
>nah. you can't tell me 42mm DD headpos tuned exact same as a 10mm DD pos actually compare. you'd be lying.
what is this retardation?
In what way it won't compare? IEM needs different tuning in the first place. So what exactly will you be comparing?

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>>106919033
For you, maybe. Every pos is a $5 shitbud on a long enough timescale. And I will have it.

>>106917522
is this muzik released?

>>106919038
but eq guide is the most retarded take. have you seen its 'citations'?
https://mega.nz/folder/cchSBaBQ#WwAguZeGclZkxzvwVNSryQ/folder/Nd5A1YhQ
it's just AES/Sean Olive crap

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>>106919055
>In what way it won't compare?
physical size of the pos and how much of your body it affects. why do I have to explain that? I don't care how loud you turn up your pos, it's still not hitting your entire ear and the surrounding area like a headpos' bigger speaker is.
you can't work around that simple physical aspect with volume, sorry.

>>106919066
most based thing about it

>>106918982
>yes, it's important to know how these HRTFs were taken into account if I want to utilize something like JM-1
No? I'm not even talking about JM-1. You can google about JM-1 too it's average of like 40 people (pop average DF was also confirmed via other measurements and it holds). If your ear canal close to average length (you can google it too) it'll be applicable. If not? Well sucks to suck.
> I want to know if the entire target it's based off is to be taken seriously
Nobody cares if you take it seriously or not... Nobody was even talking about jm-1 or any target (all targets assume average ear gain btw).
>what do you mean 'who cares'? people that need to be informed before making any decision is who typically cares. everyone else is a dolt.
What kind of decision? you do not have a choice actually. Either 3k sounds natural for you and you'll just need to EQ preference and length modes. Or it doesn't and you'll need to also EQ ear gain.
All of this is irrelevant to an established fact that eargain peak is shifting depending on ear canal length.

>>106919069
all you need is edc pro

>>106919031
well just decrease the volume

>>106919124
trvthnvke.webp

>>106917966
Lafitear LF3 Pro

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$5 shitbud alert

>>106919066
Feel free to find better sources.
Protip - you can't,

>>106919148
see the peer-reviewed study on rise time and impulse fidelity

>>106919156
take a peer-reviewed bullet

>>106919087
>physical size of the pos and how much of your body it affects
meaning?
> why do I have to explain that?
because you are making a claim...
> I don't care how loud you turn up your pos, it's still not hitting your entire ear and the surrounding area like a headpos' bigger speaker is
So what are you comparing? Not a sound quality but a tactile feeling? of soundwaves hitting your ear?
>you can't work around that simple physical aspect with volume, sorry.
it has fuck all to do with sound quality at all. It also not a real effect at all. What kind of niggerbass are you even fucking talking about here?

>>106919156
You missed the keyword better.

here's my manuscript for headpos eq guide
>give up
any feedback?

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>>106919038
>retarded takes
those are called trvth nvkes sir pic unrelated it's hitler and dirlewanger bowling

>>106919156
In what way is it better? Just because of peer-review?
It's scope is very limited. It's about vritualization of BA driven IEMs. Done with questionable methodology too.
It's also not a study on "rise time and impulse fidelity". Hilarious that you think that it is.

>>106918005
>seal at the entrance of the ear canal - no adjustment
>seal around the ear canal - yes adjustment
Am I missing something or is it just headphone retardation. At what point does switch occur. isines have extra large tips that are supposed to seal just around the ear canal - are they adjusting?

>>106919224
I would understand if the topic was sr1a. But here the front volume is sealed either way.

>>106919173
>physical size, meaning?
MOTHERFUCKER THE SPEAKER. HOW BIG IT IS AND THE ENCLOSURE IT'S IN.

How many browns participated in the Harman tuning trials? I want to know whether to call it Octoroon tuning or Hexadecaroon tuning. Yes, this is important.

>>106919255
Use peqdb target saar

>>106919255
not that many, mainly harman employees and listeners here and there near their test facilities
they did large tests with participants in a few countries
so not that many browns but a lot of trannies

>>106919224
>At what point does switch occur.
anything before the ear canal entrance will have a directional component to it
>isines have extra large tips that are supposed to seal just around the ear canal - are they adjusting?
not too sure what they look like, but if they seal before the entrance cross section then yes they will have a directional component, and will "adjust" themselves.
whether or not this adjustment will be noticeable is another question

>>106919224
At the point of IEM circumventing your ear entirely? Before that ear still adds to... ear gain...
There are measurements for closed ear canal and open ear canal
>isines have extra large tips that are supposed to seal just around the ear canal - are they adjusting?
if ear is not involved then no

>>106919247
difference between headpos and pos in that sense is insignificant

>>106919255
they literally done listening tests by countries and there's no significant differences...

>>106919375
I still don't want a nigger's opinion.

>>106919318
I think talking about "adjustment" is not accurate in the first place... Nothing is "adjusting" it's just how your ear behaves... Eargain is where it always was... for you. But IEMs circumvent ear gain so they need it to be added manually to sound natural.
Why are we even talking about this obvious shit? Does this thread know nothing at all about the subject?

>>106919384
you can conduct harman listening tests personally for yourself without any additional opinions at all...

>>106919394
>Why are we even talking about this obvious shit? Does this thread know nothing at all about the subject?
no clue, as soon as things get slightly technical most anons get lost and try to contribute despite not understanding much of it on any valuable level

>>106919003
that's what she said. (after pegging you)

>>106919369
yeah, bullfuckingshit, asshole.

>>106919399
I did. It's garbage. I'm trying to figure out how many browns contributed to this mess, duh.

>bass hurts my ears
>headpos hurts my hair
>real milk hurts my tummy
statements dreamed up by the utterly Deranged

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>>106919183
there's only a few headpos worth buying:
HD 700 (the best sennpos don't @ me) ESP-950 HE-R9 T50RP SR-Lambda NB SR-Lambda Signature SR-007 Mk1 HD 280 Pro HE6

>>106919354
IEMs don't bypass the entire ear, only the pinna. 3kHz is from the ear canal.
>>106919394
I do not see how IEMs circumvent the gain from the ear canal unless you literally push them up your eardrum hearing aid style. Open tube vs closed tube resonance - okay. At what distance of the seal from the ear canal entrance does the tube become open? On the scale of IEM - isine - earpod - on-ear - over ear. Or is it only about a complete seal, which excludes most over ears.

why are we so off-topic today??

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>>106919604
What's wrong with talking about headpos

>>106919001
Then shills you his newest FOTM iem at his store, goes to buy a $70,000 headphone and afterwards says speakers are just better anyway lmao

>>106919541
And do IEMs with a leak "adjust"? Are we wearing IEMs wrong?

>>106919646
Obsoleted by IEMs.

>>106919541
>IEMs don't bypass the entire ear, only the pinna. 3kHz is from the ear canal.
3k is there because of wave's behavior in an open ear canal. it depends on ear canal length. IEMs a) make canal closed b) make it shorter. So you are not getting both ear gain and normal open ear canal resonances.
>On the scale of IEM - isine - earpod - on-ear - over ear
isines 100% make ear canal closed. on-ears behave similar to over ears and do not close ear canal.
>Or is it only about a complete seal, which excludes most over ears.
yes

>>106919604
Headphone Chads mogging IEM poorfags as usual

>>106919676
>And do IEMs with a leak "adjust"?
no
>Are we wearing IEMs wrong?
also no

>>106919749
$20 pos will mog 99.9% of headphones in every price category. You will not be able to prove otherwise,

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uhhh

so what did we learn today, /iemg/?

>>106919793
headpos drool, iems rule

>>106919768
>my ear canals are exactly like the 711 coupler

The comforting copes browns tell themselves

>>106919804
but..you get bigger sound with headpos. because of the bigger drivers and all. wouldn't that bring soundstage and whatnot?

>>106919779
worth
I wish I had such deals

>>106919811
lol? the fuck are you talking about retard

>>106919817
bigger sound is not a thing,
only speakers have real soundstage. and not because of driver size.

>>106919834
Holy based newfaggot
Do you even understand the frequency response graphs you're reading?

>>106919685
>>106919756
I'm getting mixed signals here. No seal = canal not closed but an IEM with no seal still makes it closed. On ears and over ears with no seal are open, sure. And over-ears with a full seal make it closed but that's exactly what started the discussion? Again, if a full seal doesn't necessary make the canal closed at what distance from the canal does it begin making it closed?

>>106919853
Where have I talked about frequency response at all?

>>106919873
That's the argument thirdies use to say IEMs are better than headphones. They read some graphs with zero capacity to interpret them, see they look smoother and closer to a target than headphones and conclude IEMs are better, just to cope with their poverty.

>>106919851
>bigger sound is not a thing,
bigger speakers cover a wider area, producing bigger sound. why are you ignoring that?

>>106918712
>chuzo cliffnotes
bumping for an answer

>>106917522
Why no Truthear Nova on the IEM consoomer_guide? It is THE mid-fi harman king

>>106919931
Phone speakers sound bigger than headphones. It's not about the driver size.

>>106919949
Tangzu Xuan NV exists

>>106919872
>No seal = canal not closed but an IEM with no seal still makes it closed
IEM with no seal still shortens your ear canal. sound is still coming from inside it. I'm actually not sure if leak is enough to neutralize length modes... Probably not.
>Again, if a full seal doesn't necessary make the canal closed at what distance from the canal does it begin making it closed?
seal over ear doesn't make ear canal closed.... because it doesn't close ear canal... closed back headphones introduce a bunch of other shit.
For ear canal to behave like a closed tube it needs to be a closed tube... then distance will just shift length modes. It will not make it open.

>>106919970
what phone? because generally speaking, you're wrong but you know that lol

>>106919931
sound waves still arrive into your tiny ear canal and even tinier eardrum. "wider area" doesn't change or mean anything. Can you quantify it as a sound wave behavior? Do the same with "bigger sound"

>>106919949
obsoleted by sm4

>>106919994
the wider area parts affect the parts they hit, outside your eardrum, before they get to the eardrum. by the time the waves hit your canal, they've been influenced by other factors.

>>106919978
If over ears didn't close the canal ear protection wouldn't exist. You must mean something more specific by "close". Like the ratio of sealed volume in front of the canal to the volume of the canal, but I would need a source on that. I find it extremely suspicious that, supposedly, a natural resonance of the ear is completely replaced by tuning the moment something called an IEM approaches the ear canal. The way I see it both the IEMs and the headphones get the resonance exactly where the rig or your ear are supposed to get it. If IEMs had a dedicated "3k resonator" surely some stupid chink would eventually forget putting it into an IEM or design a driver without it and we would see a flat graph.

>>106919987
Every phone sounds like a phone of its size. Headphones sound like a dot in the center of my head with occasional pling plongs near my ears the size of a mosquito.

jfc this guy is an absolute moron. why are you guys even entertaining this buffoon?
there are thousands of iems dumbass. feel free to listen to one that graphs as a flat line when measured

>>106920040
>the wider area parts affect the parts they hit, outside your eardrum, before they get to the eardrum
that's just a part of FR that arrives at eardrum and can be easily adjusted via EQ...
>by the time the waves hit your canal, they've been influenced by other factors
that's just FR...
In this case headpos and pos behave really similar. That's why both are tuned to DF

>>106920140
>feel free to listen to one that graphs as a flat line when measured
Show 1.

>>106920153
final e500
cfa andro 2019
seeaudio yume 4
westone mach 40
many more

>>106920142
>that's just a part of FR that arrives at eardrum and can be easily adjusted via EQ...
Not without a precise measurement of your HRTF thoughbeit albeitever

>>106920099
>The way I see it
You're a total moron pulling things out of your ass regarding science that is already figured out. Try reading the EQ guide before ever posting again.

The Jeet Mind Cannot Comprehend The Time Domain

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>>106920202
What the fuck did he mean by this.
>>106920226
There is literally nothing in the guide that says headphones adjust to your resonance.

>>106920238
Worst cables I've seen in these threads

eq guide anon, come save these retards please

>>106920131
>doesn't know mosquito ear impedance.
ngmi
>>106920142
'just FR' doesn't cut it.

>>106920099
>If over ears didn't close the canal ear protection wouldn't exist.
I think you are unnecessarily complicating things.
>Like the ratio of sealed volume in front of the canal to the volume of the canal, but I would need a source on that.
It's all about how waves propagate themselves. Closed headphones do not form a closed tube... because there's earcup and ear between driver and eardrum. So waves behave in a different way.
>I find it extremely suspicious that, supposedly, a natural resonance of the ear is completely replaced by tuning the moment something called an IEM approaches the ear canal.
Well that what happens. I frankly don't get why you think it doesn't.. Where do you think natural resonances are coming from?
>I see it both the IEMs and the headphones get the resonance exactly where the rig or your ear are supposed to get it.
You need to think about it in terms of waves.
>If IEMs had a dedicated "3k resonator" surely some stupid chink would eventually forget putting it into an IEM or design a driver without it and we would see a flat graph.
That's basically was the case before they adopted harman ie 2019 tunings... That's why IEMs all sounded like garbage and why suddenly $20 pos can compete with much more expensive gear. Chinks literally do not need to think about lol because they all tune based on harman's research.
I dunno why you want to uncover some grand conspiracy here. It's all simple well known and well researched things...

>>106920254
it is not a company known for quality assurance. this is a frequency response largely within a 5db band.
headphones and open room speakers often have many peaks and dips within a 5db range.

>>106920153
you can EQ out ear gain on any IEM

>>106920261
$2 non removable cable iems, they still sound good tho

>>106920131
I think you have ear problems.
headphones just sound normal for me...

I'd post the racial ear gain EQ guide but I might get banned for it again. What's another word for nigger?

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you want flatter then this, feel free to eq (applies to almost any iem for that matter)
larger point is how utterly inept your understanding of audio is and you're here making useless commentary pulled out of your ass >>106920099
just shut the fuck up and make the headphone general to shit up with how utterly stupid you are. be a roadblock to good science over there, stop shitting up /iemg/

>>106920222
>Not without a precise measurement of your HRTF thoughbeit albeitever
hmm? I assume you have working ears? Use them

>>106920269
>'just FR' doesn't cut it.
Explain how it is not just FR then

lesson learned:
final audio has shit ass qc wtf is that

>>106920254
>There is literally nothing in the guide that says headphones adjust to your resonance.
they don't... they are just tuned flat there (for the most part) where IEMs can not be tuned flat (unless you want them to sound like weird shit).
You can do sine swipe with speakers and check for yourself...

>>106920274
A tube with a volume(earcup) attached to it is a Helmholtz resonator. Doesn't sound natural to me.
>Where do you think natural resonances are coming from?
From your canal. A tube closed on 1 end vs 2 ends just have all modes vs only odd modes. The fundamental is still there.
>That's basically was the case
Never seen it.

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>>106920254
I have a better flat for you lmao
if you ever wondered why nobody is taking sennh IEMs seriously

>>106920297
It's completely normal for headphones to sound in your head. As opposed to speakers that sound in front of you.

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>>106918712
>>106919944
here, a picture worth a thousand words

>>106920379
i was going to write a full dissertation but this sums it up pretty well, about 70% there

>>106920359
>A tube with a volume(earcup) attached to it is a Helmholtz resonator. Doesn't sound natural to me.
it's not a tube.
>From your canal. A tube closed on 1 end vs 2 ends just have all modes vs only odd modes. The fundamental is still there.
Because fundamentals are still there you are getting length modes around 6-10k... Because it's wave behavior...

>>106920379
>implying chu2 is a bad $5 shitbud
fuck you

>>106920131
What bro's head looks like

>>106920419
it's legit good

>>106920419
you had to be there newfaggot. now learn from him and autoeq to tilted df. you already have the added distortion covered with your shit meme sources

>>106920465
>shit meme sources
name two

>>106920465
>>106920426
nvm just read the reply chain sry

>>106920412
>it's not a tube.
That's what I said. It will not behave like an open tube because that's not what earcup+ear canal is. And it won't be a closed tube either.
>Because fundamentals are still there you are getting length modes around 6-10k
Checked the formulas again and yeah, nv/2L vs nv/4L, the fundamental will be twice as high. Makes sense. Guess IEM manufacturers are not completely retarded.

>>106920476
eq guide and peqdb

eq guide is so goated, everything written inside of it has never been debunked or shit on, it's too good

>>106917865
Paper??

>>106920922
https://aes2.org/publications/elibrary-page/?id=22943

hit play and enjoy transient fidelity (if your driver quality is good)

>>106918614
>headphones: nail the one thing literally nobody adjusts, shit everywhere else. Make you bald.
>IEMs: shit everywhere. Don't make you bald.
Just EQ and don't be bald.

peq $5 shitbud to perfection why buy anything else

>>106920600
>Guess IEM manufacturers are not completely retarded.
no... they are lol
they've been just using harman ie 2019 for 711 for the longest time without conducting any additional research

>>106921191
because $5 shitbuds sound like $5, not matter how much eq you throw at it.

>>106921282
wrong

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Sbyo-V97StA?feature=share
Tuned With Squiglink... im scared....

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>>106921282
>>106921447
Right because the more you pay the worse IEMs sound and EQ won't affect localizability, transient fidelity, and LF impulse fidelity(THD).

>>106917865
do you not understand what you are looking at? this is not "iems" lmao

>>106921514
>localizability, transient fidelity, and LF impulse fidelity(THD).
you literally have no idea what any of these mean. Also you are wrong

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>>106921514
Price is truly inversely proportional to quality

is the chu2 $5 shitbud king because of driver quality or enclosure

>>106921517
pro tip: follow the context before replying

>>106921577
>is the chu2 $5 shitbud king
it is not

>>106921626
explain it to me then

>>106921629
what's the best $5 shitbud then? it wouldn't have .0293% THD. PR2?

>>106921693
literally pick your poison. most of them have low THD... which doesn't matter...
chu is not even actually $5

>>106921777
$13 still counts as $5 shitbud

>>106921687
>nigger post saying headpos varies with acoustic impedance
>pic shows a JBL Live Beam 3 varying just as much at the estimated DRP
can't you fucking read?

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I could've knocked this down to $9 if I wanted a week for fall sale to begin

>>106921789
bunny dsp then

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out of 847 they measured, I sorted by the worse thd score in ascending order.

>>106922134
>no Rise time
useless

>>106919540
price is inversely correlated to quality also applies to headpos sry for the trvth nvke

>>106922341
quit whining. you can find that in the waterfall plots.

>>106922134
>worst
>0.27% at 94 dB
lol
can you not sort by actual THD instead of retarded score?
>>106922341
meaningless metric

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>>106922866
here you go.

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>>106922899
>timeless
>meanwhile reality
totally meaningless

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I bought a pair of Grado headphones and they broke after like 10 hours of use, so I bought the Ruta10. It's my first time using IEMs and i switched out the small ear tips that came installed out for the medium size that came in the box, and it was a really noticeable difference before I even turned on any music. With the medium tips, my voice sounds different to my ears and if i swallow i hear loud throat noises and so on. Does that mean these medium tips are the right size? Music sounds a little better than with the small tips I think.

>>106923001
that's called the occlusion effect, and yes it is a good indicator of whether you have proper a proper seal. medium tips fit you better
>Music sounds a little better than with the small tips I think.
if you like no bass and shouty vocals like on the grados, then use the small tips

>>106923001
try the large tips, shit bricks

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now that's what i call planar techs

>>106923048
>t. i can't afford to amp my pr2

>>106923092
>amp the pos
>gets louder
>even more distortion
masterful gambit there saar

>>106922951
write a complete fuckin sentence you whackjob. holy shit. coming off as a sassy lil bitch but you're saying literally nothing.

>>106923113
more like
>pr2 be underpowered
>mom doesn't give me allowance anymore
>post meaningless chart

Are hyperx cloud earbuds 2 good or they are meme?

>>106923149
more like
>can't understand anything
>time to divert the discussion and project my poorness

>>106923172
so you didn't actually pick up a pr2 for $10 when it was on sale? that's even sadder

>>106923188
i picked up the first few planars and decided that they're a meme, shouldn't have wasted my time and money like that

>>106923188
nobody was even talking about pr2 take your meds

>>106923196
he's on a crusade right now lol look at him go

>>106923214
nobody was talking about the 7hz either take your autism meds

>>106923197
how much were those? pr2 is an excellent $5 shitbud if you happen to have an overpowered dongle

I bought Cmf buds 2, set the bass to -6db from the app... The bass is still too loud kek. I'm gonna have fun playing around with peq

>>106923257
around $250 to $350
planars are a meme, same goes for the cheaper stuff

>>106923234
retard

>>106923300
wrong.

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>The KZ PR2 controversy primarily stems from bait-and-switch allegations and a significant change in the sound signature between early units and later batches after its initial release. Early units were shown to have a protective mesh over the planar driver, while later units sold to consumers were missing this mesh, leading to a harsher, less-tuned sound that differed from what reviewers initially presented. This caused frustration among consumers who felt they were not getting the product they were promised and led to criticism of both the company and the collaborating influencer, BadGuyGoodAudioReviews (HBB).
funny
Distortion is not great either.
imagine unironically shilling this garbage

>>106923383
you missed the part where they made a third iteration and tweaked the driver itself.

>>106923392
any actual evidence "3rd iteration" is not garbage?

>graphfag posts meaningless chart that's 2 revisions late
*chef's kiss* bravo /iemg/

>>106923383
tl;dr KZ removes dampening foam for eqtards, noeqs seethe, pr2 gets sold for $10-15

>>106923392
>>106923439
You will never have localizability, transient fidelity, and LF impulse fidelity with THD like that.

>>106923450
apparently you'll never have $15 either

>>106923460
$5 > $15. Since edc pro doesn't have this problem.

>>106923424
>>106923439
>he doesn't know THD gets worse when you remove damping
Yours is probably 10% lmao!

>>106923450
>>106923468
>>106923481
except PR2 is good at all that
>muh THD

>>106923450
you never even clarified what 'transient fidelity' is, you ponce

>>106923403
I own it. Treble isn't anything like what people complained about with their 2nd version. Mine surprises me how overall smooth it is in the treble.
>>106923460
kek

>>106923450
meaningless vague terms without definitions. will you be repeating them like a dumb fucking parrot every time now?
stupid fucking BA pos they were rating had like 3% THD lol. And who knows what it ACTUALLY was...
utterly fucking pointless

>>106917522
>be me
>live in the northeast
>humid climate year-round
>buy metal shell IEMs
>they die within months due to condensation
>buy plastic shell IEMs
>shockingly, same thing
am i just fucked? what should i do, anons?

>>106923504
>>106923562
Source: hearing loss and brain damage from headpos.

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>>106923531
bruh

>>106923585
>>106923531

>>106923591
bruh, that's a PR3, bruh.
bruh, PR3 HAS A SHIT TON OF TREBLE, bruh.
bruh, that's Paul Wasabii's 711 graph, bruh.
711.
bruh.

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>>106923579
I jogged outside at -15C with hybrids (plastic shell) without that paper/fabric filter at the nozzle, these usually don't clog due to condensation, only if actual water droplets form inside the shell.

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>>106923612
it doesn't matter pr3 is literally the fucking same pos.
>711 graph
and?
you think what? fuckton of higher treble will just disappear on any other rig or your ear? Well maybe if you are deaf.
nobody is fucking measuring KZ with 5128 because KZ is just that much of a shitstain brand.

>>106923579
Read
>https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#iem-maintenance
Are they actually "dead," or do the filters clog?

chartfags will literally spend all day arguing with worthless mismeasured graphs of a random IEM than spend $10-15

>>106923773
your dumbass will literally spend all day posting about your addiction to buying trash iems. nobody asks for it or cares.
people should be warned about how the gear you spam is trash\, so they can avoid it and make smarter decisions. not everyone is deaf like you, or likes to subject themselves to low quality goods.

>>106923773
that's cope. 711 not being rated past 8k doesn't mean it shows +10 dB where it's -10 dB lmao
you don't understand how measurement rigs work

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Man buys this shit and then pretends he is able to hear. Lmao!

>>106923820
can't cope about 711 with that one

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>>106923848
Dude, in his 5kHz low pass ear it is completely fine.

>>106923860
match made in heaven

>>106923820
Who?

>>106923931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofiwEjlc53Q

>>106923709
so...you don't like KZ?

Chartfags will literally post random charts and think it has meaning lol

>>106923805
>>106923817
>>106923820
>>106923860
I accept your consessions.

Learn your /iemg/ factions

audiophiles
- can afford nice things, makes graph niggas jealous
- understands different interconnects influences sound via impedence changes
- richfags larping with their money
- established and white
- gets called out for wasting money but they don't give a fuck
- can hear an IEM just by looking

eqtards
- peqs $5 shitbuds to perfection
- isn't afraid of aliexpress, lets the chinese government subsidize his (you) hobby
- desciples of the EQ guide
- understands the time domain
- has expendable income, doesn't expend it
- true winter warriors who will travel far and wide to find a shitbud just to eq for fun
- takes their EQ'd IEMs to the gym

graphfags
- loves to pick fights, usually impotent
- knows the science
- can hear an IEM just by looking
- desciples of peqdb and squig
- schizophrenic
- claims nobody read EQ guide
- would have amazing sex with audiophiles
- brown

multi-driver pos owners
- refuses to buy anything under $100
- has large collection of big name vintage IEMs from 2-5 years ago
- enlightened abuser of amazon's return policy
- can afford nice things but snobby over $200-300 pos
- blindingly white, in their 20's and 30's

>>106917865
Interesting paper...
Kinda makes you wonder... FR variation is one thing... but what about preference? Would people actually prefer something closer to their HRTF or something closer to some averaged synthetic target? is there a difference in preference compared to listener's HRTF?

>>106924271
more like I don't like retarded shills
>>106924502
you lost dumbass

>>106923820
>>106923860
Read the EQ guide, newfag.

>>106923709
>pr3 is literally the fucking same pos.
It isn't. Your chart is irrelevant.

>>106924522
eqtards won.

>>106923591
>>106923383
>>106923709
>>106923820
>>106923860
This retard literally spams the thread with 7 off-topic charts and claims victory. Welcome to /iemg/.

>>106924541
>It isn't. Your chart is irrelevant.
it's a shitty meme planar how is it not the same?

>>106924572
I'm not going in circles again faggot.

>>106924557
How are IEM measurements offtopic in IEM general? Are you insane?

>>106924583
Your last charts aren't even IEM lol. Dumb fuck.

>>106924583
>Are you insane?
The guy you and interacting with is verifiably insane, deaf, and a complete ass. It's not even a question.

Chartfags will literally spam unrelated charts to the IEM you're discussing and claim they've "won. This is incel assburgers on a level I rarely see from other generals.

>>106924601
>I don't know what EQ is
You're projecting your own hearing loss.

If you're not EQing treble peaks on e-waste, you're deaf. No amount of chart spam of unrelated IEMs and headphones will "win" your argument for you. This is why people think you're brown.

>>106924590
well because they are not mine you dumb retard... I only talked about pr2
but pr2 guy unironically was talking about hd700 so like... it is kinda also relevant to him being a deaf retard

>>106924649
Learn to EQ. I genuinely feel bad for you at this point.

>>106924607
cry more it totally doesn't make you look even more pathetic and insane

>>106924659
We tell you to EQ by ear because you don't have a graph. You've posted 8 graphs and still none of them are the IEM. Read the EQ guide.

>>106924619
Tell me about EQ and how you use it

>>106924657
>>106924669
are you buying shit just to EQ it? than any shit will suffice not meme planar poos

>>106924702
show the best pos you own

>>106924869
for what? what are you even arguing about? that pr2 is nor shit because you can (allegedly) EQ it?

>>106924917
you've never been within a 10,000 mile radius of a PR2

>>106924917
you can't shit on something you never tried. asking you to show your best so we can have a laugh. unless you're scared

>>106924944
>you can't shit on something you never tried
of course you can
do you need to ear shit to recognize it?

>>106924979
yes. because you're otherwise admitting you're basing your entire opinion on either graphs.
it can't be other people's subjective opinion, because you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
which leaves you just being full of shit entirely.
again, you've never laid eyes on one in your life.

>>106924994
*on either graphs or other people's opinion.

>>106924271
I have a couple of KZs (Castor Bass, PRX & AM16). I find them OK, although a bit overrated. I much prefer my Aful Explorers or Fiio FH3s over the KZs. Better sound, better build quality, nicer cables etc.

>>106924641
Can someone tell me how to EQ away treble peaks (according to my own ear anatomy)? I looked for this info in the EQ guide but couldn't find it. Should I use "sine sweeps"?

>>106925050
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/how-to-eq/eq-to-preference-and-context/#treble
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/how-to-eq/eq-with-personal-measurements/#insertion-depth-and-ear-tips
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/how-to-eq/eq-refinement/#treble-changes

>>106925031
>I much prefer my Aful Explorers or Fiio FH3s over the KZ
KZ sticks to their house tuning across the board, typically. As far as being able to stand in the same arena as the Explorers and FH3s., that would be the CCA Hydro, KZ's best and most complete set.

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>>106924994
Different anon here. Can you fuck off now? You're extremely annoying and stupid.

>>106925072
what kind of amplification you giving those bad boys?

>>106925081
2000mW out my K7
weak amp faggot

>Cayin RU6
>213mW
pfffffffffffttt ahaahahahahahaha

>>106925087
so you don't like the pos. great. but,
>weak amp faggot
means literally nothing when pos are efficient as all hell. sorry that isn't the flex you hoped for, lil skamp

>>106925087
show us on the doll where the PR2 touched you

>>106924994
do I really need to buy every fucking shitting POS to grill my ears with excessive treble because a bunch of deaf retards can't let it go? I think not.
>yes. because you're otherwise admitting you're basing your entire opinion on either graphs.
I said already thinking that "711 graphs" is a jail free card is cope. "b-b-b-but you can EQ" well I can EQ any pos so who gives a fuck? At least 1DD won't have 5% distortion lol... Tho you can't even find reliable distortion measurements for pr2 cause nobody gives a fuck just this much.
>it's KZ
>no reliable measurements
>distortion
>meme planar
the fuck else do you need to know?

>>106925087
>attempts to shit on dongles that double as a mobile and desktop dac.
>shows off a dac you can't take anywhere
I'd be pissed too if I was upstaged

>>106925120
don't know what you're saying but I accept your concession

>>106925066
>house tuning
they don't have house tuning lmao
>KZ's best and most complete set
that's grim

>>106925117
his earholes of course