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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

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COMMON LIES BEING PERPETRATED BY TROLLS AND SHILLS ITT DEBOONKED 1/2

>RADEON HAS BAD DRIVERS!!!
They have been fine for years and have the same amount of problems that Nvidia drivers have or less. Most problems occur with productivity applications which is why Radeon gpus are not recommended for workstations. If you are just gaming you are unlikely to ever have any issues, especially if you only update to the latest driver when you need to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lv4-poQOyo

In contrast for the first few months Blackwell had major driver issues that are only now mostly fixed. Premium day one GeForce buyers that paid the nviditax had a worse early adopter experience than Radeon buyers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

>RADEON HAS CPU OVERHEAD!!!!
It does not. Nvidishills likes to spam charts of cherry picked DX 11 games like KCD that do not play well with radeon but in reality if anything Nvidia has a worse overhead in CPU limited scenarios. Screenshot and videos below for proof.
https://imgur.com/a/A5MIHM6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiElNex2OC0&t=210s [Embed]
Radeon "CPU Overhead" in Warzone chart that the Nvidishill used to spam debunked: https://imgur.com/a/yy3MZRS

>9000 SERIES MSRP AND SUPPLY WAS A LIE!!!
Nvidia normally supplies over half of the market, this time they made almost no GPU's and AMD despite making a large amount of cards is unable to fufill all of this demand effectively. The result is a low supply high demand market and increased prices. However besides the US which is also impacted by tariffs the 9070 XT in many regions with some effort can be purchased for around 700 dollars or less. The card will likely go back down to MSRP around January next year when the Supers from Nvidia come out to remain competitive.

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>>106952250
2/2

>FSR4 IS IN NO GAMES!!!
Almost every game that has upscaling can be easily modded with Optiscaler to support FSR4. The result is better than native image quality in games with bad TAA. Cyberpunk 2077 before native support was added could be modded with Optiscaler, the game can run ultra RT at 80-90 fps and 50-60 fps pathtracing with good image quality using FSR4 on quality mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNzI-TBV--A
https://github.com/cdozdil/OptiScaler

Native FSR4 integration will get better into the future with many games planned to have support added this year. Because of AMD's collaboration with Sony on Project Amethyst and PSSR it's likely that all future games with a console release will have FSR4 on PC.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/the-amd-x-sony-collab-gave-us-fsr4-and-a-version-will-appear-in-playstation-next-year-too-having-already-started-to-implement-the-new-neural-network-on-ps5-pro/

>WHERE ARE OTHER FEATURES TO MATCH NVIDIA AND WHY IS PT PERFOMANCE WORSE?!?!
FSR Redstone which is coming out before the end of the year should noticeably improve Pathtracing perfomance and match nearly all Nvidia features such as Ray Reconstruction and AI Framegen.
https://videocardz.com/newz/fsr-redstone-on-track-amd-promises-dedicated-presentation

>ZEN 5 IS MELTING ON ASROCK!!!!!!!
There is no conclusive evidence for what the cause is yet. Zen 5 and the 9800X3D in particular have sold very well and most people haven't had any issues. It's possible there was a bad batch of processors and ASRock motherboards have BIOS settings that are worsening the problem, or the fault may entirely be with ASRock, there isn't enough information to make any kind of conclusion yet. For now just avoid ASRock boards to be safe and you will likely be fine like the thousands of other people who have bought and used these CPUs for months with no problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFYPnT_AQLk

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was about to start a build, bought seasonic TX-1600 and none of the three CPU 8-pin cables will come apart into 4-pins. they don't even budge.
my motherboard manual says "1 x 4-pin 12V standby power connector"
my play? can I just leave that fucker unplugged?
do I have to buy some cable and wait a week until the idiots ship it?

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>>106952337
There should be a separate 4-pin EPS cable(s) for the motherboard/CPU.
Seasonic included 3 of those cables for that PSU.

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>>106952182
>This is my Radeon. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
>My Radeon is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
>My Radeon, without me, is useless. Without my Radeon, I am useless. I must OC my Radeon high. I must score higher than the nvidiot who is trying to outscore me. I must burn his connector before he burns me. I will...
>My Radeon and I know that what counts in this war is not the benchmarks we run, the noise of our fans, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the score that counts. We will score...
>My Radeon is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its voltages and its clocks. I will keep my Radeon clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
>Before Lisa, I swear this creed. My Radeon and I are the defenders of AMD. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
>So be it, until victory is AMD's and there is no enemy, but peace!

>>106952362
I have the 3 cables. they are each 8-pin, with plastic on the connectors melded together on the side which the actual cables come in, so they won't split

>>106952413
The motherboard-end of that EPS cable can be split into 4+4 connectors. look for a small latch that allows you to detatch them.
https://youtu.be/7SjQo7wrWq4?t=198

>>106952488
is it the same mechanism as 2+6 PCIe ones, so "slide out"? or should I just pull them apart instead

>>106952518
You have serious issues if you're building a system that requires a 1600W PSU and you're being filtered by EPS cables.
Figure it out.

>>106952546
fuck off your high horse anon

>>106952518
a lot of newer psu EPS cable do not split
I just sent a corsair model back over this and got an older one instead

>>106952554
How much spoon feeding do you need? Seasonic even labels those PSU cables.
https://youtu.be/_LCVR_QfmE8?t=47
Absolutely filtered.

>>106952561
Except the Prime unit specifies it includes three CPU cables with 8/4 pins, he's filtered.

>>106952572
im not the psu anon, but if you aren't here to try and help some anon with an issue.... then whats the point?
dude is obviously having trouble
are you just waiting for the two spammers to start trading bullshit?

>>106952598
Then you shut the fuck up with your critiques and help him out, because I'm the only one who's been giving him actual advice.

>>106952586
> seasonic TX-1600
holy crap that's a pricey psu
better plug that boy in buddy
hell post the cables lets get some entertainment going

>>106952546
>>106952561
I checked all three cables again, plugs are fused together on the side on which the cables come into
it's immaterial anyway as I just located the supposed "1 x 4-pin 12V standby power connector" on the motherboard and it's a different socket altogether, much smaller one. EPS would not fit it.
fml

>>106952608
and im sure he appreciated it

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>>106952648
The 8-pin fused size is for the PSU-end.
Look for the side that's labeled 'CPU'

>>106952648
>it's immaterial anyway as I just located the supposed "1 x 4-pin 12V standby power connector" on the motherboard and it's a different socket altogether, much smaller one. EPS would not fit it.
The plot thickens.
Whats the mobo anon?

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>>106952648
I don't mean to laugh at your pain but that is pretty funny
what board is this

>>106952687
>>106952696
gigashyte mz33-cp1

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>>106952716
Anon is building himself the ultimate goonstation

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>>106952716
If you're talking about the 4-pin 12V_STBY1 (Standby Power Connector), that's an ATX12VO connector.
Seasonic Prime TX 1600 isn't an ATX12VO PSU.

>>106952783
amazing. can I just leave it unplugged?

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>>106952783

>>106952817
The Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) for remote management needs that standby power connector.
https://kb.netapp.com/on-prem/ontap/OHW/OHW-KBs/What_is_a_Baseboard_Management_Controller_BMC_and_how_do_I_use_it

The system should power on without it, but ask Gigabyte customer service for details.

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>>106952817
Man im outta my ken there, i just use my pc to play vidya and watch porn but im not sure that
>amazing. can I just leave it unplugged?
is the correct reaction to finding out the 500€ psu i got is not the right one for the 900€ motherboard
Im rooting for you anon, wish i had half your balls.

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>>106952951
thanks anon
and as far as
>ask Gigabyte customer service for details.
they don't answer questions

>>106952817
Gigabyte will probably warn you that using consumer grade PSU for that server board voids the manufacturer's warranty.

How would you upgrade my system?
>Ryzen 5600
>Asrock X570 Taichi
>32GB DDR4 3200
>GTX 1070

>>106953042
naked anime figs

>>106953042
Buy a graphics card with Vulkan and DX12 first and go from there if you want to do something

>>106953042
5800x3d (or 5700x3d if you cant find one)
used 3080 ti
for what reason? I just felt like it.

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>>106953042
I have a similar computer right now (but with a simpler mobo) and i wouldn't contemplate any upgrade that isn't a new GPU
There is really no point on upgrading further on AM4 (not like there is much head room left for you there)
So your next step should be moving to am5 which means mobo cpu and ram for starters.
So you can upgrade your gpu now which your 5600 will be able to move and eventually jump to am 5 and use the gpu you bought.
Picrel you can see the 5600x is perfectly fine
Whats your budget? what do you plan to do with the pc? etc

>>106953099
Absolute idiot.
AM5 board + CPU + 32GB DDR5 is cheaper than am4x3d

>>106953105
It's mainly for playing vidya. I suppose I could spend around 300-500€ on a new GPU.

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I'm buying parts for my youger brother's first desktop computer. I'll be paying for everything and we're gonna build it together so I wanted to buy him cheap and somewhat serviceable parts, so I'm going for AM4.
He'll play the usual, GTA V, Valorant, Elden Ring, Overwatch and the likes, afaik.
Do you think the 3600 is gonna be enough or not? And is the board good enough for a future upgrade? Trying to stay below 900 so it doesn't stray too much from 1k with kbm and headset.
The plan is to build a decent base and then if he wants to upgrade he can get the 5700X3D.

>>106953207
absolutely and without a doubt the best use of your money
then start thinking about switching the rest of the stuff in the future to a newer am5 build and just plug your new gpu in there
there is no harm on checking 2nd hand markets in your country for maybe a 5800/5700x3d cpu in case you can find a really cheap one it would help your pc but that should be after getting a new gpu

>>106953222
I can't imagine the stock cooler on the 3600 to be that much worse than the one you picked and maybe those 20 can be spent somewhere else since we are trying to be budget friendly
I have that mobo (but the regular atx) with a 5700x3d and i cant complain. Its a pretty utilitarian board but never gave me a problem.
I have a 3060TI and i can usually max any game i wanna play @1080p so you should be more than fine there.
Maybe consider moving from the matx mobo and case to atx? Or consider buying a 2nd hand cpu if thats a thing in your country.

MSI MAG MAG X870E TOMAHAWK WIFI
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D
ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX ™ 5090 32GB
G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series DDR5 RAM (AMD Expo & Intel XMP 3.0) 128GB (2x64GB) 6000MT/s CL34-44-44-96 1.35V
be quiet! Straight Power 12-1500w Modular Power Supply | 80 Plus Platinum ATX 3.1 Compliant


SAMSUNG 870 EVO 4TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD --- storage/cold storage
Crucial T710 4TB Gen5 NVMe SSD, Up to 14,500 MB/s, PCIe 5.0 M.2 2280, Internal Solid State Drive --- AI stuff
SAMSUNG 990 PRO w/ Heatsink SSD 2TB, PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 Internal Solid State Hard Drive --- OS drive

Fractal Design North XL RC ATX mATX Full Tower PC Case
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black, Dual-Tower CPU cooler
140 and 120 mm fans for case and a gpu bracket cause the 3090 is fuck huge.

Wanted a 5090 machine for AI for awhile. Been using my older laptop and 3080 until now but want that 32 gb memory space. Going to do work station stuff as well. Light gaming on the side but its way overkill for that.

ok

Anyone knows what's the usual shipping weight of an NVMe ssd?
Need to order a couple but I'm in the boonies right so I'm gonna need a courier.

>>106953530
usually the store calculates shipping stuff for u

>>106953530
about the weight of a small cardboard box

>>106953582

This ten of them might weigh a pound but I doubt it. The heat sync that comes with it is most of the weight.

>>106952182
>nicotroon not posting tranime
what's happening ?!

Fuck it.
I'll wait no more, my PC is dying.
Fuck ASUS what a piece of shit mobo.

>>106953486
Parts look good.

>>106953410
>stock cooler on the 3600
Good point I forgot about the stock cooler.
I'm strongly considering buying some parts second hand (especially the motherboard and maybe the ram kit) but I can't find worthwhile deals. If it's to save like 5 or 10 euros on the board, might as well buy it brand new, but I'll keep searching for a bit.
I'll see about moving to ATX instead of mATX, I just don't want it to be too bulky.

>>106953699
>I'm strongly considering buying some parts second hand
Its worth at least checking out, as you put it if the savings are too slim then just get it new.

>>106952783
>>106952951
>>106952999
update. JeetGPT appeared sure the BMC would take power from the 5v rail. it suggested I just lay the board out, no CPU or memory or anything, and just connect the 24 pin and see if any lights come up. lights do come up. then JeetGPT said to plug a cable into the MLAN and see if lights come up on that Ethernet port. lights do come up.
I might have gotten away with it. thanks for helping out

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What was wrong with the last op? At least it wasn't just actual shilling

What's the recommendations for non gaming mice?

I have a Utech Smart Venus that double clicks and a M185 which is too small to be comfortable. Thanks!

>>106954023
just report and ignore

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>>106953699
Pic rel is my frankestein i built from spending a couple weeks on my country's 2nd hand market
I had a ryzen 1600 with a 450 mobo, slower ram and a gtx970
I used to post a lot in here back in the day about my adventures trying to find pieces, how i had searches and alerts saved for different gpus at different price points
I just opened the app to check the transactions.
>Mobo 74€
>5600x 35.33€ (legit got away with murder on this one)
>Ram 4x8gb 3200 55€
>3060TI 180€ Dude was near me (like 10 mins in subway) and rather sold it in hand cheap that putting it for 250 (which was the price of other similar cards at the time) and get scammed, his fear worked in my benefit

I then sold my ram, my dying gtx970, and my 1600 cpu for 25 each. I didnt sell the mobo or psu so i just disposed of those along the case. I then bought a new psu as i was scared of a 2nd hand psu and a brand new case as my old case was simply... too old, still had the frontal bays for optic disk and hard drives. Got a cheap case on sale on amazon.

Basically its worth to at least checking the 2nd hand market if its somewhat active in your country but getting good deals might take a while / too much effort. But im super happy i did. I couldnt have afforded to have purchased that straight out of amazon and have been playing vydia and shitposting with it since.

>>106954128
the hard drives are a weird selection as they are my old ssd and then a newer ssd and a nvme that a friend gave me

>>106954128
I paid 324€ for 5600x in late 2020

Fractal torrent worth additional 100$?

>>106954160
Just checked 14 of may 2024
Its not like it was hot out of the oven but they were going for 80€ or so on this 2nd hand app at the time.
I assume a lot of people moving to am5 at the time

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>>106954112
>just report and ignore
Uh oh! Someone's nvidiclitty is leaking!!!

please kill yourself at your earliest convenience

>>106954262
its probably russian troll farms
only way for the spam to stop is either nuke russia or have moderation on 4chan

>>106954256
Lol, did the clitty thing make you mad?
Did it make your clitty leak reading that?

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so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

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Google Gemini shares more useful PC tuning tips than you retards, it even shares relatively conservative voltages.

>>106954416
for me it's brave search

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For how much longer do we have to pretend that Radeon still makes competitive and viable gpus? It's not bias to point out that only Nvidia gpus are actually holding up and worth buying for 99% of the people visiting /g/

>>106954128
>5600x 35.33€ (legit got away with murder on this one)
Damn that's insane. Ok I'm kinda motivated to search harder for a couple weeks you never know

>>106954416

Chatgpt also. Because its got access to any public forum on the topic. It will give you sources if you want.

>>106954585
9060 XT and 9070 XT is fine.
But it's going to be awkward if AMD doesn't release their set of refresh cards next year.

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anons what does this connector go to?
what is ac 97 even

>>106954733
Are you using front audio in your case?
Because that's what this is.

>>106954733
>ac 97
Might be your case's front panel audio connector for the motherboard

>>106954416
i tried asking chatgpt and grok what some obscure options in the ASUS BIOS do
both of them just made shit up
lmao
it seems the ASUS BIOS will still remain a mystery... for now...

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>>106954416
unironically we lived long enough to see this meme come to fruition
AI slop can give you better and faster info than most humans at this point in time
it can even boil down and tell you what you mean with retarded obfuscated things but it understands
literally like magic
and I have not even scraped the potential of this shit, I am full retard
like two years ago I thought this was a full meme

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>>106954789
unironically you didn't buy the FC® Course

>>106954098
logitech mx master meme? Isnt that what all boomers use

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Is it possible for a computer screen not to reach the advertised refresh rate despite the refresh rate showing up in the options? I modestly upgraded my older system and put it up with an old 75hz screen and when selecting the highest refresh rate there's noticeable stutter in games, despite gsync being on, good performance and all. On 60hz things are as smooth as it goes for 60hz, but yeah, just 60hz. Does that mean the screen is just garbage and should be replaced, or what could be the reason for that stutter at higher than 60hz?

>>106955140
75Hz is usually an overclocked value of 60Hz monitors, and it's running unstably.

>>106955140
Frame skip maybe
https://www.testufo.com/frameskipping
Pretty sure 75hz is on almost every 60hz monitor just for compatibility with some type of standard, doesn't matter if it works poorly for whatever reason.
You do need a new monitor though, even at 4k you can get 100+ hz for like $150 or something

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>>106955097
lmao are you seriously still trying to shill that shit
i'm talking about the options they put in there for fun to troll you and waste your time
not the basic shit from my first OC guide

>>106955190
allegedly jewman explains all bioses in the course, as such the meme, you didn't buy the course (used for meme potential only)
but realistically also, you did not buy the course
which is the joke

>>106955140
60hz it's automatically trash
screens even stock ones with bad implementation have been known to have frame skipping included
if you are using a 75hz monitor you should consider your life choices

>>106955225
theres some weird apple cultists who swear by the 60hz 1000:1 contrast monitors with 50ms pixel response times for some reason

>>106955209
i promise you he has never touched the bottom half of that page
or any of the submenus

but i know it's just a silly meme
even if you constantly keep trying to bait people into buying his $300 scam course
i have to call you out because this is 4chan and i know someone is gonna be retarded enough to trust the anonymous snake oil salesman

>>106955225
>>106955186
>>106955170
It's an old screen I had around, so yeah looks like it's just unsuitable for the task, thanks.

>>106955269
>don't know what bios settings are
>calls a product he didn't buy a scam and gets visibly upset at random people earning money with nothing he is affiliated with and has nothing to do with him
>watches soitubers and sits through their sponsored ads daily and does not complain about them because he is goy adapted to their content and thinks this is perfectly fine as a monetization instead of selling product
>bald man records several videos of each segement and puts together shit and puts in effort for said product but is not allowed to earn money from it
I did not buy the course and neither did you
which brings us right back to the point of, you didn't buy the course (389$)

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>27 inch 1440p 180hz IPS
>200+ bucks
>32 inch 1440p 180hz IPS
>400+++ bucks
>43 inch 4K 60hz QLED (VA?) television
>200-250+ bucks
What gives? Is it the refresh rate that brings monitor prices up so much? Is TV the way to go if you want a really big screen to watch content or play slow paced (60 fps cap) games on?

>>106955414
it's funny you literally think i don't know what "BIOS settings" are
no point in discussing this if you're going to act that delusional
but my setup is fine, i don't need your course, thank you very much

>>106952182
Please recommend me a compact case/mobo combo for: AMD 9700X + 2/4 sticks of DDR5 RAM + 2/3 SATA ports. M2/PCI disks support a plus.

I'm searching for a small case, ideally without RGB or perforation. Basically building a quiet PC with no dedicated GPU. What's the smallest mobo form factor for it? Mini ITX? Anything smaller seems rare and one-off.

USA, budget does not matter much.

>>106953054
This

>>106955460
economics of scale and target audiences
most people are recommended to not buy 32" 1440p monitors because of low ppi, 27" has much larger volumes of sales
tv's have larger volumes of sales than monitors + are subsidized with the spyware OS and bundled software (thats also spyware)

TV OS makes them shittier for pc use and 32" is max you'd want on desktop.

>>106955097
this retard nigger got caught faking benchmarks can we stop posting this scammer already
4800mhz on 9800x3d while 14900k has 8000mhz

>>106955519
Damn, makes sense. I'd go for 32 inch 4K but they're even more expensive and my 5070 just ain't built for 4K. Maybe with DLSS Performance (compared to DLSS Quality @ 1440p), but even then it's probably sketchy.
I'll stick with my 27 inch Odyssey G5 G50D for the foreseeable future in that case.

>>106955562
>this retard nigger got caught faking benchmarks can we stop posting this scammer already
Why does hardware unboxed get a pass?

>>106954172
yah

>>106955572
It's okay when AMD does it

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Fuck me almost lost the RAM I ordered from newegg. I've never used them before, used to amazon or whoever just dropping it at my door. Well newegg uses plain old mail and they stick it in your mail box if it's small I guess.
Got the notification that it had arrived so I drive down to my mailbox. Open it up and there's nothing but junk mail.

I'm about to freak out when I remember sometimes delivery places would leave packages at the apartment office. I walk over and ask them and they say they haven't gotten anything.
One of them says they just saw the mailman driving past us so I run out the door and thankfully he had stopped for something. Wave him down and tell him what happened.
I show him the order on my phone, he says he vaguely remembers something like that and offers to go back and see if it went in the wrong box.

We go over there and he opens them all up. I see what looks like it could be it in another box just a few down from mine. I point it out and he pulls it out and sure enough it's mine but the apartment number was wrong.
Either I had a brain fart or newegg fucked up but somehow my apartment number on my account was off by a few numbers. If I hadn't caught him just as he was about to leave someone else would have gotten my over priced ram and I would be fucked.

Still can't believe how much this shit cost, to think I was seconds away from losing it and possibly having to re buy it now that it's even more expensive. Think I would have just given up and become a console gamer.

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I've never spent more than $50 on a case
Even $3000 computers I built to flip I always use the chinkiest thing possible

TOP PSU MOUNT>ALL

>>106955592
>to flip
to be fair the average gayman PC buyer on marketplace would probably see the chinesium case with all the RGB fans and basedface and buy it

>>106955562
>can we stop posting this scammer already
he's never gonna stop
probably some sort of parasocial thing
>>106955572
they don't
HUB fakes shit all the time as well
numbers on a graph don't mean anything

>>106955565
I got 3080 with 4k oled and its struggles but stuff like cp is playable thanks to performance mode dlss without Rt features
5070 ti would be minimum for a smooth experience

7900xtx just keeps aging better and better

>>106955471
I'd start by looking at the NR200P case, it's a popular & commonly recommended ITX case.
There are smaller cases
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zvstt6/hyte-revolt-3-mini-itx-tower-case-cs-hyte-revolt3-b
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jT7G3C/lian-li-a4-h20-x4-mini-itx-desktop-case-a4-h20-x4
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GrMMnQ/fractal-design-terra-mini-itx-desktop-case-fd-c-ter1n-01


Gigabyte X870I AORUS PRO ICE or MSI MPG B850I EDGE TI would be the mITX board I'd buy.
Avoid the cheaper ASRock ITX board, that one has killed a few Ryzen CPUs.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3LV2FT/gigabyte-x870i-aorus-pro-ice-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-x870i-aorus-pro-ice
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gvdMnQ/msi-mpg-b850i-edge-ti-wifi-mini-itx-am5-motherboard-mpg-b850i-edge-ti-wifi

Buy the largest capacity NVMe storage drive you can afford (2/4TB), these boards only have 2x M.2 slots.

>>106955588
>somehow my apartment number on my account was off by a few numbers
More likely you fucked this up than Newegg.

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>>106955637
With pathtracing ultra performance on the 5070 actually works "okay." Regular performance is super borderline though, like I'm sure most normies would be fine with 45fps x4
>>106955648
If that's it takes for you step out the noose, sure.

>>106955572
he is even worse, never did defend him
>uses accidentally radeon 4 pre release drivers
>bad fps numbers
>uses newer drivers
>look guys amd finewine

>>106955471
>without perforation
It's gonna have to have some or it'll cook itself to death
Fractal terra is the closest if you don't mind slots
or there's this thing
https://youtu.be/CAjAKmEXdVI

>>106955700
its the flagship gpu for mesa.it runs everything better than nvidia.

>>106955732
how many fps do you get on cp at 4k with path tracing

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>>106955655
> NR200P

No USB-C is kinda sad.

> these boards only have 2x M.2 slots.

There are SATA ports visible on product photos. Thanks for mobos recommendations. Specks look good.

>>106955714
> Fractal terra

I had a Fractal Design Define R4? R5? Don't remember, but I was certainly happy with it. Looked through their website and Node 202 is even smaller but again no usb-c.

Is there nothing smaller considering I don't need a GPU? It should shave a lot of space.

>>106955732
>Turns on raytracing
>also has to cope with fsr slop
lol

>>106955851
Johnsbo NV10 or N10, pre-orders only (Nov. release)
https://www.jonsbo.com/en/products/NV10Black.htm
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-006A-000G6l

>Is there nothing smaller considering I don't need a GPU? It should shave a lot of space.
You're better off buying a NUC or a laptop, most of these ITX cases leave some room for at least a water-cooled/basic-bitch dGPU.

Pulled the trigger on the 9800X3D, 100% increase to my 3700x. Cooor

>>106955682
Yeah probably but I honestly don't know how. I swear I double and triple checked everything. I'm just counting my lucky stars I caught it in time. I wonder what I could have even done if I hadn't. Maybe if the person that got it was honest but these days I doubt. Pretty sure I'm the only white person in my whole complex.

>>106955960
> Johnsbo N10

Looks interesting.

> NUC

Is there one with a decent CPU and 64Gb+ RAM? Actually is there website with good filters for NUCs? They are usually only described on manufacturers' websites with no ability to do precise search on aggregators.

>>106956001
Couldn't wait 2 weeks for black friday deals? I got mine 70 dollars off from previous weeks prime day sales.

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>buy ram kit
>have to overclock them out of the box to get what I paid for
why shouldn't I just overclock them to whatever speed I want anyway?

>>106956022
When you say it like that, I could wait it out, I've only bought the cooler as Currys has been down for the last few hours, but honestly, I may as well get it done and over with now as if I'm going to use it for 5 years, why not?

>>106956034
Is there something you desperately need to play in the next 2 weeks? If not just wait, patience is a virtue, it will make you a stronger person. It's not like it's one of those wait 2 years for better tech deals. It's just a fortnight.

>>106956029
>why shouldn't I just overclock them to whatever speed I want anyway?
you should
and you use this to your advantage because a 6000 kit is much cheaper than an 8000 kit

>>106956020
These guys have some Ryzen miniPCs with 64GB memory configs, Intel has more AIB support.
https://store.minisforum.com/collections/mini-pc?filter.p.product_type=Mini+PC
https://www.gmktec.com/pages/halloween-sale?spm=..index.image_slideshow_1.1&spm_prev=..product_397345ec-b381-4f76-83dc-9cb6156546ee.header_1.1

>>106956043
Seeing the price graph, I can't see it going much lower than what it is now, I'm sure I'll be eating my words, but a part of me knows in two weeks I'll re-consider it entirely whilst my Paradox games will Suffah.

>>106956029
enabling xmp is hardly ocing
you'd need to do custom timings for significant increase in fps in games and it'd still be minor

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>>106956060
Alright brother, if it makes you happy and you can afford it than have fun. Hope it's worth it, I'm upgrading from an i5-4690k. Haven't even been able to play modern games for a long time. Can't wait to zoom zoom with the zoom zooms.

>>106956061
By all accounts it's an OC
Even the memory modules themselves are being OCed
XMP/EXPO memory in reality is a promise that the 4800mhz ICs they pulled from whoever will run at 6000mhz

Fuck, whilst everything was down the prices went up, FUCK AHHHHHHHHHH

5070 ti: yes or not yes(formerly no)

>>106952182
reposting from end of last thread
Ausfag here, how cucked am I for getting this

9800x3d
5070ti gigabyte windforce sff
b650 eagle ax
2tb lexar m.2
16x2g t-force vulcan 6000 ram
msi mag 850w gold
MSI MAG FORGE AIRFLOW 321R ATX - Black with 4 stock fans
some cheap Deepcool 360mm liquid cooler
$2150 USD

At some point I'll replace the ram and m.2 for better components

£815 or so in total. Well, I've spent more or things I use far less.

>>106955814
>>106955867
mesa_radv is built for raster not for rt and amdvlk got discontinued.

>>106956216
You have exactly 11 days to buy any TSMC/Chinese product until 100% tarriffs.

>>106956582
It's all been bought, $1.1k, fawk buddy, least I know I'll get $200~ for my old parts.

>>106956441
not when the 9070xt exists or you can flash a 9070 into a xt.

>>106956441
depends on current PC and if you want to play unoptimized AAA or not.
the best time to upgrade is when you find a game worth upgrading for.

I don't need a database of every power supply ever manufactured on earth. What fucking power supply do I go buy from microcenter for lets say 1000 watts

>>106956644
I rec 850w corsair Rm850x

>>106956616
Thank you for your attention to this matter
>>106956622
I mostly play arma and insurgency sandstorm

>>106956644
ask the cashier for a single rail psu and the watts. he will give a recommendation.

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Are these nvme heatsinks a meme? Modern motherboards come with them already don't they? Do I really need to replace them with these? All the reviews are saying it drops the temps but are they comparing them to already existing mb heatsinks? Is 10 degrees an actual problem?

>>106956644
This is what I got, it's highly rated on that OP list but who knows might blow up and send me to the great by and by. https://a.co/d/iwnQwpC

>>106956678
the motherboard heatsink should be enough. these aftermarket ones are for people shoving it into ps5s and laptops.

>>106956702
Laptops wouldn't have room
I've used a couple because of using pcie to m.2 adapters

>>106956729
they make super thick workstation laptops that are basically desktop replacements.

Why can't nvidia compete with the 3090?

>24gb
>$800

>>106956492
Build is fine.
Check prices for the ASUS Prime 5070 Ti.
Get the 9070 XT if there's a massive price difference between the two cards.

>>106956582
The parts that are meant to be sold during this holiday season is in US warehouses already.

>>106956644
Corsair RM1000x, Super Flower Leadex III or VII 1000W, be Quiet Pure Power 13M are all good PSUs stocked by Microcenter.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/686842/corsair-rm1000x-1000-watt-cybenetics-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply-atx-31-compatible
https://www.microcenter.com/product/684394/super-flower-leadex-iii-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply-atx-31-compatible
https://www.microcenter.com/product/700542/be-quiet-pure-power-13-m-1000-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply-atx-31-compatible
https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294811073+4294822454

I'd decide between the Pure Power 13M or the Leadex III 1000W units.
RMx isn't discounted, probably because it's more popular to normies.

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Older cases are so much harder to cable manage
The impulse to just leave a rats nest is strong

Would you rather have smoother frame presentation or lower input lag?

>>106957003
depends on game and the parameters

>>106957003
>Vsync on or Vsync off

>>106957003
lower input lag always

>>106957003
Why not both?

>>106957035
i'm so glad you asked
https://khorvie.tech/win32priorityseparation/

>>106956973
You did a good job given what you're working with.

>>106956441
Depends on pricing where you live. Could also consider the 5070 if it's not for 4k

>>106957003
Depends on how much lag is there by default, but with new games I would in general take the smoothness. You're not going to notice +8ms of delay

my summer pcpartpicker build list went from $900 to $1100 and this is without a GPU

FUCK THIS MARKET
I HATE COMPUTERS SO MUCH

>>106957167
summer was like 4 months ago

>>106957049
Any testing done to prove it's not just snake oil?

>>106957167
Can you see what % increase went to which parts?

Most people are seeing ram and storage going up.

>>106957167
I've always said people shouldn't ignore summer/back-to-school sales.

>>106957191
there's various youtube videos about it.
https://www.xbitlabs.com/blog/win32priorityseparation-performance/
https://youtu.be/VtI6P2E4HW0?t=588

>>106957274
>https://youtu.be/VtI6P2E4HW0?t=588
He ends with an aimbot shot.

Why are there so many aimbot coverup idiots?

You were killed by aimbots, not skill.

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since putting this 9060 xt in my pc i've been getting these very rare but very annoying failures to resume from hibernation. it's happened like 3 times in the past 4 months, but it's really gay because i keep so much shit open on my PC and i lose all that when it shuts down.

anyway, this one has this bugcheck and this driver. my AMD adrenalin is up to date. chipsets are from 2024. bios is from 2024. fastboot is off.

she just don't wake up sometimes.

>>106957274
So no real testing, only how to change it.
I don't even know what hardware was used by this guy, or how many passes he did in his single point of reference.
0.1% lows will vary a lot so you need to do a lot of testing to smooth this out.
So far I still think it's pure placebo.
Maybe if you have 2core CPU it might do something, I don't know.

laughs in 6950xt

is there anything similar or better than Lian li's L-connect architecture? ive had their products for a while now and havent been too regretful with their products but lately their customer service has been pretty shit in regards to RMA/replacements

>>106957376
>worse than a 5070
lol

After reaching msrp a while ago 5070 is probably the best gpu release since 3080

>>106957401
That's basically a 4090, right?

I got my 5070 for $400 usd and a 180hz QHD monitor for $140. Wait chads win again.

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OLED bros I did a thing, thought I would be content with the 48'' screen. But when I got it I was sort of pressured into it before I had done a ton of research. I went to the store thinking I was going to get the B5 or a miniled.
I thought there wasn't much difference between the screen sizes they were just smaller or larger right? But it turns out anything smaller than 55'' has a bunch of downgrades. Less tech inside, worse sound system and other little things. It's not like the 48'' would have been bad but it really bothered me, I'm investing in this thing and hoping to make it last me at least 6-10 years. Felt bad I was getting a cut down version when I'm spending a thousand dollars. So I kept watching the prices and the 55'' went down to 1200 today and figured a few hundred more was worth it.
Now I have to figure out how to mount the thing, the vesa mount I bought I'm finding complaints saying it's not really built to handle 55 inch screens very well. Don't want to spend a ton though hopefully I can find something decent for less than 50 bucks.
Anyone have a C5? How have you liked using it as a monitor replacement?

>>106957581
Can't help you with the VESA thing, but you made a good choice to go with the 55".

>>106957351
adrenalin is trash like all AMD software

>>106957565
>12gb

(laughs in 6950xt)

>>106957349
>>106957366
you guys are retarded. thats not aimbot.
also you can change it in real time with no reboot yourself. try 40 instead of 2 right now.

>>106957778
>you guys are retarded. thats not aimbot.
I didn't mention that at all.
>also you can change it in real time with no reboot yourself. try 40 instead of 2 right now.
Joke is on you, I'm on linooks right now. So I would have to reboot.

>>106957804
funfact: people have been using windows server for gaming instead of normie windows precisiely because of this tweak. servers use different quanta and variables than consumer edition and ltsc.

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god I wish shit like supporting an image format worked on image viewers
seems only free option to correctly view jxr hdr files is windows photos app
left is irfanview

>>106952402
>I still can't bench higher than a 4090
>this is okay, i'm not coping at all!

>>106957680
muh vram doesn't save you from poor image quality though
Not like you're ever going to use 12gb on a 6950xt anyways

>>106957405
nuh uh, Australian team red enthusiast and long haired queer said differently.

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>>106957863
Comfyui uses everything.

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>8gb cards like 5 years after the consoles with 16gb of memory launch finally have to set textures to medium
Unusable trash and nvidia evol, also 12gb will be literally unplayable any day now for reasons that are not exactly clear, even with rtx ntc soon (sooner than 2H redstone)
>Radeon gpus for year literally still can't do good ray tracing and until earlier this year had to just deal with every game being blurry but somehow still aliased (and only like 8 people can actually use fsr4 anyways)
BASED, COMEBACK INCOMING, ZEN MOMENT SOON, SAVIORS OF PC GAMING

Can someone break down this phenomenon for me? I don't understand computers very well. What am I missing?

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>>106957918
>AI on amd

>>106957829
wow, pirated bandiview manages to look like photos after you manually enable hdr output

>>106957918
and gets outperformed by a 3060

>>106957937
>5070
:^)

>>106957971
If only you could have vram with your nvidddyaaa

but you can't, so it's irrelevant.

red bad, blue and green good
t./pcbg/(aka the only retard itt)

**poor child with holes in shoes and dirt on face**
Mr Jennerson can I habs vrams plox
**punches child in the face**
NO! vram is for BILLIONAIRES

Doing shit like topaz video AI really makes me want new hardware, its so slow with a gamer pc.

9950x3d and 24gb 5080 would be thing

he's upscaling porn.

I got a Phantom Spirit 120 SE, but my RAM blocks one of the fans from fitting properly
Is it okay if mount it a little higher, or should I put it on the other side entirely?

>>106958255
typically cpu coolers have the option to move fan higher to avoid ram and its fine

>>106958255
not sure if it applies to that model but most (?) modern solutions have two mounting points for that exact same purpose
first reread the manual to check if its mentioned anywhere, otherwise the more "manual" method just like you mentioned

>>106957979
8gb vram Nvidia outperforms 24gb vram Radeon in AI
my Nvidia card has double your VRAM

>>106958176
NVIDIA is the only current generation graphics card to offer over 16gb of vram
even Nvidia of the same generation offered 24gb of vram over your 16
should have bought a 3090

>>106957937
>>106958317
This isn't 2023 anymore, AMD is more than fine for generating porn. The only reason you'd ever look at the color is if you're doing the kind of top-end stuff that isn't being handled on a personal machine, and even if you are, a gaming card isn't going to be your first choice either way.

t. have a 3090 in my second slot for this purpose, so I'm not biased

>>106958341
benchmarks show that a 4060 will outperform a 7900XTX

you forgot to add the neural texture image bullshit , coming soon 2045

>>106958344
I don't really know what to tell you. I have anecdotal evidence that any modern 16GB+ AMD card will spit out a 30-step 1152x1152 image in under a second or a 300-frame animation in under a minute.

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>>106958341

>>106958365
AMD transgenders will tell you to spend $1600 on a 7900XTX for AI because of one faked deepseek benchmark

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>Me when amd still doens't have a ray-reconstruction, framegen, or dlss transformer equivalent but Nvidia is adding super ultra nigga ai compression textures soon (making effective vram go 10x)

If you don't have a water cooler, is it worth it to put negative fans at the top of the case?

>>106958327
>3090
We don't talk about that here

>>106958429
Probably not, but it can't hurt having an exhaust above my cpu cooler.

>>106958255
Think anon think.
The fan being moved a few fins higher isn't going to stop the air from flowing through the remaining fins.

I know this is /pcbg/ but I've come across a pre-built with primarily MSI parts that i'm considering and wanted to get some thoughts.

For context my current PC is an i7700k, Zotac GTX 1080, 16gb RAM, 512gb SSD (non-nvme), 2TB HDD - cost around £1200 back in 2017.

Prebuilt has
>MSI B650 motherboard
>AMD 9800X3D
>MSI RTX 5080
>32gb DDR5 RAM 5200mhz
>MSI Spatium M480 2TB M.2 NVMe SSD
>MSI MAG Forge 320R Airflow Mid-Tower Case
>MSI 360mm AIO Liquid Cooler
>MSI MAG A1000GL PCIE5 1000W 80+ Gaming Power Supply
Price: £2250

>>106958715
The ram is shit

>>106958715
What MSI board specifically? There's a big feature gap between the b650 tomahawk and entry level b650-p

>>106958838
B650 gayming plus

>>106958715
Whatever money you can save buying a package deal prebuilt with those parts will not make up the difference against DIY with more efficient parts choices.
1. B850 will have PCIe 5.0 on the x16 and be future proof
2. 5080 bad, 5070 Ti good, 87% the performance at 75% the price (and often far less)
3. bad RAM obviously skimped on
4. a 2TB main SSD to inflate the price, use a 1TB w/DRAM from the same or cheaper brand and you can use your old drives for storage
5. MSI AIO will be a lot more expensive than the dirt cheap AIO brands out there
6. 1000W is overkill, 850W of the same MSI brand will be plenty, especially with a 5070 Ti instead

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>>106958715
>>106958847
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K6DWgn
This is what it looks like in pcpartpicker at 2077 londoncoins
This is with all retailers activated, i have no idea how comfortable are you with any of those, i assume it will be a tad more expensive getting it all in amazon.
When there was no specific piece (like in the gpu) i just put the cheapest one as thats what they will most likely do. In the hard drive i ended up with a spatium m480 PRO while a "non pro" version existed but had no price, so i just put this one for reference
You would want 6000 30CL ram

My veredict is that you are better choosing the pieces yourself up to about 2100 and then paying those 150 you would have left for somebody to build it for you if you aren't comfortable.
That said its not the worst ripoff on history, there are some way worse prebuilts being sold out there.
Can you share the link to the offer so i can check it a bit further?

Cheers anon

>>106958847
The only downsides I'm seeing are that it only supports two m.2. drives where better boards support three, and that all m.2. and pcie slots are only rated for gen4 speeds

>>106953410
>>106953699
anons, Wraith Stealth is absolute dogshit. Like 55-70C idle shit

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>>106958963
i have a wraith stealth and a 5600 and its right now at 49
it is what it is, he mentioned budget and i pointed him towards somewhere he might be able to save some
im not against getting a better than stock cooler but i understand that sometimes cuts have to be made

>>106958894
This is the link to the pre-built, cheers for the input mate.
https://amzn.eu/d/iV1lpXC

>>106958891
>>106958897
I'm not going to lie, I'd rather bite the bullet on the 5080 for stronger overall performance even if the price/perf ratio is a bit out of whack. I'm pretty sure Cyberpower has this exact PC on the configurator on their site if there are any parts that are bad and need to be swapped out. And I was planning on taking the storage drives from my old PC and putting them in to the new one anyway.

So i tweaked a little my setup

7800x3d =365€
b850 tuf p =212€
phantom spirit = 52€
9070xt prime = 709€
flare x5 6k cl30 32gb= 155€
sn850x black 2tb = 165€
fractal torrent = 183€

~2k€ total.

>AMD website
>max supported RAM speed 5200MT, 5600MT, etc.
>NYOOOOO YOU MUST GET 6000MT CL30 AAAAIIIEEEE I'M GOING INSANE YOU'RE BRICKING YOUR BUILD ANON
If Big CPU says all I need is 5600MT, then all I need is 5600MT. My old CPU listed as supporting max DDR4-2666, so that's what I used for 5 years without a single CPU performance issue.
I'll be using my 5200MT CL40 kit lightly tuned to 5600MT CL38 with overall timings better than what a stock 5600MT CL38 kit would be out of the box.
If 6000MT CL30 was so important then AMD would list it in big black bold letters on their CPU spec pages - GET SIX THOUSAND MEGA HURTS AND SEA ELLE THIRTY OR IT'S LITERALLY WORSE THAN DDR3-1333 YOU RETARD, but they're not. In fact they INSIST 5600MT is all you need even on a Ryzen 9 9950X3D. Facts.

>>106958987
Up to you
Though if it's a 5080 ventus I'd avoid it since MSI put really noisy fans on that model

>>106959014
Fast ram isn't even that useful for x3d CPUs. The only upside to getting 6000cl30, 28 or 26 ram is guaranteeing that you get Hynix A/M-die which consistently works stably across all setups regardless if you use expo or not. I've had Samsung b-die ddr5 before and it was a shitshow in stability even at jedec

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>>106958987
>This is the link to the pre-built, cheers for the input mate.
>https://amzn.eu/d/iV1lpXC
i thought so, i mentioned this same prebuilt by msi on an Austrian retailer at a decent price, i thought it would be the same. It seems they are pushing it.
I had the same idea that i had when i saw it here, its decent, but it has flaws.
Are you open to build the pc yourself / find somebody to build it for you?
I can make you a better list on pcpartpicker for a similar cost and other anons can chime in.

>>106959033
The kit I talked about is a Corsair Vengeance and it uses Hynix M-die chips. Werks well with my 9600 even on scuffed homebrew settings.

>>106958996
Kind of shit prices, what cunt is this?

Both cpu and gpu should be available for roughly 50 euro less.

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>>106958996
perfectly fine, case is obvously on the expensive side but you probably already know that
you can probably get a cheaper set of ram and a cheaper hard drive and never ever notice the difference but nothing wrong with the ones you got
52€ on the cooler, that same one is 37€ in my country, can i ask where are you located?
Again, perfectly fine on the build

>>106959041
I have built my own PC's before, but honestly I was shopping for pre-builts mainly because I wanted to avoid the hassle, and I know with a pre-built I'll be getting the warranty for free. Cyberpower has a location less than 15 miles from where I live so taking it back won't be an issue.

That being said, if you have any suggestions for parts that should be swapped out, I'd be happy to take that on board.

5060 Ti buyers will be remembered as the biggest suckers of the 5000 series, settling for 66% of the performance of the 5070, for 85% of the price, all becaues of muh VRAM buffer.
Good luck pushing 4K to fill out those 16 gigs on a fucking 5060 Ti lmao

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>>106959090
This is a first stab at that build on pcpartpicker
2150 moneis instead of 2250 of the prebuilt and better overall (ram, hard drive, mobo, AIO, and case), if you wanted a 2tb nvme it would be another 40 but i think its overkill, just use the 1tb for windows and programs and the older storage you mentioned to keep media or whatever

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWrFRV

Im gonna go check cyberpower page after i get a coffee. Maybe you can build something there and use their in house (im assuming) service to build it.
That said i mentioned i have seen this offer before and the retailer that carried it didnt have the pieces, those were shopped straight from msi.

>>106959142
Also its all from amazon for convenience.

>>106959129
nGreedia gimping VRAM on 5070 to sell 5070 Ti for 2x the price of 5060 ti

>>106959077
>>106959085
Poland.

>case is obvously on the expensive side but you probably already know that
Yeah. I have old xaser iv but it weight like 20 kg + other problems.

>>106959157
50% more expensive than the 5070 as well, ~900 euro vs ~600 euro on average. If it was 50% more powerful and had double the VRAM, sure, but for a ~25% performance uplift and 4GB extra VRAM? Definitely not.
If you want more VRAM and can sacrifice MFG, longer driver support and warranty - the used 3090 Ti costs as much as a new 5070 and performs roughly the same with double the VRAM, albeit you need a massive PSU and good airflow.

why did hdds get so expensive out of nowhere

>>106956973
clean that case ffs

>>106959242
datacenters need them to store their large sloppa models

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>>106958996
>183 eur for a case
there are many sub 100eur high airflow cases anon...

>>106959165
>Poland.
buy from germany you retard
most bigger shops ship without an issue

>>106959090
man this page is ass to make a custom build
you can only replace parts on their already built configurations and the interface is giving me cancer

>usually NVIDIA fan
>50 generation is shit, not gonna risk 5090 housfide, 5080 RAM too low
>buy 9070 XT
>bretty gud
>5080 super still so far away
I'm not even gonna play games, I realize I only exist to consoom

>>106959289
a large video memory will only make your life emptier as you realize you could never fill it up just shitposting on 4chud

>>106953222
>AM4
>future upgrade
lmao what

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whats the best amd cpu possible to pair with the 4070 super, is the Ryzen 9 7900X overkill?

>>106959361
7900x is not a gaming cpu

>>106959390
yeah i want it mostly for productivity as the only game I play is EAFC, I'm currently using the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core

>>106959404
if multicore performance on a budget is your goal its fine
you might consider a 265k though

>>106959361
bless yourself with a 9950x3d sister

>>106959418
thanks for the suggestion i'll look into it

>>106959422
too much money i still need a new mobo and fans

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>>106959033
My autism gave me an idea.
How much you have to fuck up with your RAM to notice the difference with X3D on AM5?
What would be a good repeatable realistic benchmark?
And I don't mean synthetic crap but something you would actually run on this CPU.
I know setting certain timings can easily kill the performance so for now I would stick with JEDEC.

>>106959480
factorio on a map too large to fit in cache

Is ANYONE making Intel gaming builds nowadays? Everywhere I look it's all Ryzen, Ryzen and more Ryzen. Poorfags coping with the 5600, midrangeLORDS chilling with the 7500F/9600X, vidja goymen playing with the 7800X3D/9800X3Ds, productivity enjoyers being productive with their 7900X/9900X, etc. etc. etc.
What happened to the 6c12t midrange Intel dream? Is the new small core big core architecture actually that detrimental for gaming? Is the 14400F simply poor value despite being 2/3 of the price of budget AM5 6c12t chips? Did the Core Ultra branding lead to customer confusion and users leaving the brand for the simpler-named Ryzen chips which follow the classical 3,5,7,9 structure that Intel's Core-i-number series introduced back in the day?
I wish I knew what the latest "i5" tier CPU by Intel is, because it's clearly not the 14400F, it's one of those Core Ultra things, but there's just so many of them, and one of them is a god damn rebrand of the 10400F for the same price the 10400F launched at 5+ fucking years ago!

>>106959486
>why people use AMD instead of Intel?
>is it the cores?
>the cores?
>core count?
>what about the cores?
Intel would have hired you back in the day, leading to the situation now.

>>106959485
How big is too big?
https://factoriobox.1au.us/maps
Is this still viable?

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Is the number of cores really important if the chip is powerful enough? All I want to be able to alt-tab in between games to jerk to the hub on chrome without much trouble

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/products/workstations/professional-desktop-gpus/rtx-pro-5000/

>72 GB GDDR7 with ECC

NVIDIA WON

>>106959361
>Absolute best
9950X3D
>Best for gaming
9800X3D
>Value multicore
7900(X), 7950X, 9900X (if AVX512 is desirable)
>Best value i.e. cheapest you can get away with without bottlenecking
7500F, 7600, 9600X

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i have an urge to take apart my pc and put it back together again. i have absolutely no reason to, i just want to do it.

>>106959550
probably the 50k map
the one used here https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/64caea58-2517-4ae9-8dda-1fed72ffb16c
spam filter gets mad if I link the map directly

>>106959646
Yea, I found that one I will be checking soon.
I need to redownload the game.

>>106959628
You will probably find something out of place or not connected correctly and will solve the problem by doing so.

>>106952182
Just got an electric air duster from aliexpress, is it normal for it to not get rid of the finer surface dust?

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>>106959655
alternatively a huge dwarf fortress map
note the x3d and intel trading places on the large map

>>106959668
more likely i will break something like the stupid pcie slot lock-thingies that are almost impossible to press with a long gpu covering them. i almost did so when installing a wifi module

>>106959486
IMO it's a lot of little things that add up. Arrow Lake doesn't meaningfully outperform Raptor Lake in gaming, couple that with the DDR5 requirement and expensive boards and you lose the low-end.
Then at the high end it's competing with the 9800X3D. There I'd grant that the 14900K has some wins but you've got terrible sentiment with the degradation issues (plus heat/power FWIW) so one has to caveat a recommendation with microcode updates.
At the midrange, eg. 245K vs. 9600X, you've got platform longevity. A 9600X buyer will have the option of an in-socket upgrade to Zen6 X3D which eats up the initial savings from the discounted 245K.
Not to say that these Intel CPUs are /bad/. There's certainly plenty enough reason to recommend them on the margins. The 245K and 256K are great for a cheaper mixed-use rig (14400 too) and the 285K does outperform the 9950X in some workloads. Problem is these are all marginal cases, where the buyer would have to know what they need beforehand, so you're not going to see people recommending them to the average /pcbg/ supplicant.

>>106959680
Sure but I want to see what would happen if I went full retard and used DDR5 3600 JEDEC instead of cookie cutter 6000 CL30 with lazy BZ timings.

>>106959480
Run expo vs buildzoid's easy timings and test in baldur gate 3's town in the final act.
Not this specific game but I've seen charts showing manually tightened timings giving the 9800x3d 20-40% better 1% lows and only marginally better average FPS.

>>106959795
I'll try that next but it will require more work than simply running bash or powershell script.
I'll have to set PresentMon up.
At least I still have BG3 installed.

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Here are some "results", at least for Factorio tuning timings does quite a lot. I don't know what is margin of error for this benchmark so take it as you will. I did two runs for each
so it's small sample size.

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>>106959593
cheers bro

>>106959361
I decided on the 9900X, would the ASUS TUF Gaming B850-PLUS WIFI be good to accompany it

>>106959486
>I wish I knew what the latest "i5" tier CPU by Intel is, because it's clearly not the 14400F, it's one of those Core Ultra things
it's the 14600K
you can ignore first gen core ultra

>>106960148
what map is this?
>at least for Factorio tuning timings does quite a lot
it's basically the only way to get more performance out of the game, the code is so optimized that it's cache and memory bottlenecked 99% of the time

>>106960148
>>106960194
nvm, i didn't notice the filename
that result is pretty bad, you got more work to do
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/cf1497a2-ed74-47c9-841f-d1adfb39c0a4

>>106960148
>>106960198
and
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/76237ebe-278b-4e01-b387-a5b09321b119

>>106960198
>>106960209
I will check if it's not just my bloated Winblows installation problem.
After all one of results you posted is on Linux.

>>106960227
yeah i don't have any results for the 5800X on windows
but i see lots of 65-70 UPS results for the 7800X3D
idk i mean the results on factoriobox are all over the place but it's a nice benchmark to tune for because any step you take to improve performance will increase your score (memory frequency, memory timings, fabric clock on AMD, ring clock on intel, debloating windows, etc)

Im sorry im retarded but
Are you guys using big ass factorio maps (which i assume become really cpu intensive) to benchmark cpu and ram?
thats cool as tits if thats the case
carry on

>>106960265
I think most people use cinebench

>>106960265
You can use any game that has a massive CPU bottleneck
I personally used hogsmeade (town) in hogwarts to benchmark my 9800x3d after upgrading from a 7800x3d and it benched 25% higher

>>106960265
>Are you guys using big ass factorio maps (which i assume become really cpu intensive) to benchmark cpu and ram?
lmao yeah
the 50k map uses >4 GB of RAM, it's a huge dataset
>>106960277
can't wait to play cinebench with the bros
>>106960286
>I personally used hogsmeade (town) in hogwarts to benchmark my 9800x3d after upgrading from a 7800x3d and it benched 25% higher
makes sense
zen 4 X3D is IPC and frequency starved

idk what games y'all play but all of mine max out the GPU instead of the CPU

>>106960339
you're not a real gaymer if you don't play in 800x600 to max out fps

>>106960339
MMOs
games with large modding communities and modlists
emulators
competitive shooters
anything PC-core is usually CPU bottlenecked

even if all you do is play console port AAA slop UE5 is still gonna torture your CPU

>>106960339
supreme commander FA came out in 2007 and my cpu still isn't good enough for it

>>106960348
real gaymers the type of people to buy a 27 inch 720p screen for the 720Hz experience
>>106960354
>MMOs
WoW Classic is the only one worth playing and runs on an i5 4200 and Geforce 940M laptop just fine.
>modding
I've played heavily modded Skyrim on a dual core Celeron with DDR2 RAM.
>emulators
Your average midrange 6 core 12 thread is enough for Switch and PS3.
>cumpetitive shooters
gay

You forgot Grand Strategy games, which I do play, but even then you're fine with just anything that's modern and not low power laptop shit.

>>106960361
I'm willing to bet people in 2007 played that on their trusty Core 2 Duo and it ran just fine.

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I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on this and running a Linux distro on it for 1080p gaming, am i missing anything obvious?

I think I got everything that's good for a budget build but I haven't built a PC in like a decade.

>>106960374
>I'm willing to bet people in 2007 played that on their trusty Core 2 Duo and it ran just fine.
no, it ran like shit. the devs expected clock speed to keep increasing like it did previously but instead the frequency gains pretty much flatlined ever since

>>106960379
That's a big PSU for this pc
I'd get 9700x or 7800x3d instead of 9600x
other than that looks fine as long as you don't need too much IO from your mobo

>>106960379
change cpu and it'll be good enough for smooth 1440p

>>106960374
>WoW Classic is the only one worth playing and runs on an i5 4200 and Geforce 940M laptop just fine.
no it doesn't
go into stormwind or orgrimmar on a busy saturday
you will be CPU bottlenecked
>I've played heavily modded Skyrim on a dual core Celeron with DDR2 RAM
i'm CPU bottlenecked at 80 FPS looking down at riverwood
draw calls stress the engine hard
>Your average midrange 6 core 12 thread is enough for Switch and PS3
sure, if it's recent enough
emulators don't benefit from more cores, for now, maybe PS4 or PS5 emulation will change that
>gay
lol fair
(because all the good ones do indeed run on a dual core celeron)

seems like you just have very low standards

>>106960339
It depends on your GPU+monitor
If you over provision for the GPU like having a 4090 at 1440p or 1440p ultrawide, you'll run into CPU bottlenecks more frequently due to the high fps generated. Also CPU bottlenecking is not only dependant by game but dependant on what's on screen at that time so it's pretty situational.

>>106960421
>i'm CPU bottlenecked at 80 FPS looking down at riverwood
Doesn't Skyrim go apeshit above 60 FPS because of phyics being locked to framerate? IDK if the "new" (it's probably near 7-8 years old now) edition fixes that.
>sure, if it's recent enough
My old i5-10400F handled PS3 and Switch just fine. Was an actual gamechanger coming from an i5-4440, suddenly I could actually play the new Pokemon games on my PC (they were all garbage).
Let's hope proper PS4 emulation arrives soon, I'd be willing to get a proper CPU to finally play PS4 exclusives like Infamous and... Knack? I guess everything else has been ported by now. I don't like Soulsborne slop so miss me with that.
>seems like you just have very low standards
Growing up with lowest common denominator PCs that could just about run CS1.6, GTA San Andreas, Halo CE, Warcraft 3, WoW private servers, etc. will do that to you. Currently I'm running a Ryzen 5 9600 and an RTX 5070 at 1440p and it feels straight up decadent to play games so "nicely". Even my previous PC with the 10th gen i5 and GTX 1660S didn't feel as "wrong", because it still needed lowered settings to handle games like launch Cyberpunk at 1080p60 even when it was a brand new machine in 2020.
Feels good to finally have a job and be able to purchase things, not expensive or nice things, but goods and services in general. 18 years of total parental dependency + 5 years of poorfagging it up in roach infested Uni dorms will do that to you. I'm just happy to have a PC that can run the newest games and generate big anime titties with AI.

>>106960379
I have that exact build, I think it does 1440p fine if you're not playing latest titles on highest settings but I've yet to test it since my 1440p monitor hasnt arrived yet

>>106960459
>Doesn't Skyrim go apeshit above 60 FPS because of phyics being locked to framerate?
it still does but of course you can get a mod to fix it
>IDK if the "new" (it's probably near 7-8 years old now) edition fixes that
special edition is 9 years old and if you haven't modded the game since then you don't know how it works today
mods are pushing the engine way beyond what bethesda intended
10x more meshes and NPCs than the vanilla game
>My old i5-10400F handled PS3 and Switch just fine
that's still fairly recent but i think it would choke on heavier games like TOTK
i mean if you're fine with 30 FPS it would still work but that's my point
>Growing up with lowest common denominator PCs that could just about run CS1.6, GTA San Andreas, Halo CE, Warcraft 3, WoW private servers, etc. will do that to you
i also had shitty PCs growing up
which is why i won't compromise on my rig now, either the CPU or GPU
(i don't think anyone was calling the 9600 a bad CPU if that's the strawman you created in your mind)

>>106960259
I'll try running this benchmark on Linux, but I need to redownload the game again to run it with native version.
Such is the price of autism.

>>106960501
autism is a superpower
you can use the headless version on linux btw
it takes up less space and doesn't require you to log in to download

>>106960500
>if that's the strawman you created in your mind
I'm mostly upset about anons trying to upsell other anons on X3D chips without considering if they'll need the extra cache for 240FPS gayming or just want to chill with some AAA sloppa and look at pretty graphics at 4K 60 FPS.

>>106960510
If you spend a lot of time gaming on pc picking anything except x3d is straight up trolling, esp with how cheap 7800x3d is nowadays

>>106960510
i have a 14700K, it was $300, i don't upsell people on overpriced 8 core CPUs either
but i get your point, just don't try to pretend a haswell i5 is fine in 2025

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>>106960506
I just grabbed GOG version, 6000 CL30 Expo results look already better.
Time for reboot.

Does the overvaluing of the 7800X3D and 9800X3D come from the fact most normie gamers just want to play their competitive esports slop, which are all CPU limited and want a bajillion FPS for maximum enemy tracking?

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>>106960571
that's more like it
if copy pasting buildzoid timings gets you 70+ UPS that would be very cool
you don't need more (tm)
>>106960574
it comes from techtubers that tell their audience they are the best
that's all there's to it
people don't think, many still believe a 9800X3D beats a 9950X3D in gaming even though the 9950X3D is better at absolutely everything

>https://x.com/unikoshardware/status/1980583152486871438/
Hynix ddr5 24gbit A-die coming soon(tm)

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>>106960591
But it's never Enough™.
Scaling between windows and linux is nearly identical ~13% between XMP/EXPO and BZ lazy A-Die timings.
Just because I hate how stable my system is I will try getting 6200 or maybe 6400. My IMC isn't complete trash and I can do 6000 at 1.1VSOC so there is hope.

>>106960626
cool I can't wait to not buy any of those before 2028 because AI niggers already buy entire supply directly from manufacturer

>>106960646
very nice
that's 13% from pasting some numbers into the BIOS
and people still pretend RAM doesn't matter
>Just because I hate how stable my system is I will try getting 6200 or maybe 6400
that's the spirit, keep us posted

>i5-11400F
>Radeon 5700xt
>NZXT 750w Gold
>Kingston ValueRAM 16GB (3200)
>Giga Z590 mobo
>graphics card completely shuts off randomly when playing FFXIV at anything higher than ultra low settings and tabbing into firefox
It's gotta be the PSU, yeah?

>>106960693
>>106960693
>>106960693

Can someone draw an actual raptor lake? Just a big lake with with raptors in it, to demonstrate superiority of AMD over Intel. If you wanna be fancy about it, draw the raptors swimming in the lake, while the arrows in the arrow lake all float to the bottom and drown, like the pieces of shit they are.

>>106956702
That one is specifically made for ps5 and desktop. Probably not a single laptop on the market that could fit that inside. Laptops use thin copper shims.