>>106999356
Enshitification is as natural as entropy.

>>106999356
For computers specifically, 2004-2005.

>>106999356
This shit sucked and I'm not going to let people tell me it didn't

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When we started doing away with skeuomorphism

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>>106999394
it werked tho

>>106999356
windows 98

>>106999356
Windows ME


I can hear the fake tik tok 'le 90s kid nostalgia' theme song playing from this clip.

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Right about here

>>106999356
i fucking hate this tiktok zoomer format

>>106999356
genuinely, with your picrel
xp was the merger (or more truly abandonment), of the two separate Windows paths, 'business/pro' and 'home'. And to this day, I'm not sure why MS did that - a 'business/pro' OS is more needed now than ever.
w2k was fucking solid pro OS and 98 was a great consumer OS. ME was a fucking disaster and then they merged the consumer OS line with the (up until then) separate NT 'pro' line. Windows 7 was the perfect offspring, the last great OS. And its all been shit rolling downhill and lemon squeezing since.

>>106999356
>windows
It was always shit.

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>>106999839
>ME was a fucking disaster
it was fine if your hardware was supported by it
most people hate it only as a secondhand opinion repeated from youtube or other social media

>Windows 7 was the perfect offspring, the last great OS
most of the improvements over XP were already in Vista, Win 7 didn't add all that much
also Windows 8/8.1 did some good but unpopular stuff - for example, the start screen is objectively superior to the start menu

>>106999356
Everything after DOS
>t.windows 10 zoomer

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>The enshittification of the world, summed up in one picture

>>106999356
Windows 95

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>>106999356
2007-2008 was the turning point in our society, but you can argue the seeds of materialism were sown long before that. The financial crash and smartphones were major enablers and accelerants in the "out optimization" of everything good and human. Soul doesn't immediately contribute to the next quarter's profits.

>>106999933
Yeah, but ME *was* bad upon release, given the then standard of PC's, which is the same thing as 'righteously earned itself a bad rep'. As was Vista, when less so, I'd argue Vista + SP2 > W7.
But, that's not my (main) point - why did MS merge NT line (business/pro OS) and their home OS? It was two separate revenue streams - it didn't make much sense (to me) then, or now.

>>106999937
I presume you mean DOS 5 before they added that DoubleSpace - oh, whoops, the lawyers say it has to be DriveSpace - crap in 6.x

>>106999933
>for example, the start screen is objectively superior to the start menu
This is a fucking retarded image, because the immediate way to interpret it is that the red area is equally slow to reach, but that's not the fucking case.
In the Windows 7 start menu you can reach all the items within the time you reach the green items within the Windows 8 start menu.
And that is discounting the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run and press enter which invalidates this whole thing.

>>106999356
It was planned from the beginning.

>>106999403
why is python on the right? Tailwind???
what are these categories even supposed to be

Here's the reality:
>waiting 10 minutes for the computer to turn on and it's loud as fuck too
>xp extremely bloated and unstable compared to 2000 and 98, it was considered normal to get random blue screens after a few hours of uptime
>first windows to ditch classic look for shitted up fisher price interface and forced online activation
>2g shitphone that jews you for every little thing even just to receive an sms and god forbid you opened the internet browser by accident
>no such thing as vpns, tor, and cryptocurrency. you had to use your real ip for everything and risk making accounts with fake names.
>popups and nasty javascripts everywhere, getting infected by exploit kits just by visiting the wrong website
>updating flash and shockwave and java because they harass you in your status bar for the 20th time
>all the videos were in 240p and they took forever

>>106999997
>In the Windows 7 start menu you can reach all the items within the time you reach the green items within the Windows 8 start menu.
in a Start Menu, you see maybe a dozen items on the list, and they're always in one of the corners of the screen
in a Start Screen, you can have easily over a hundred items displayed and laid out in neatly organized groups, all equally quick to access (especially if you group your most common things nearer to the center of the screen). you just pre-aim your mouse where the item you want to open is on the screen while hitting the Win key, and click on the correct program basically immediately
it's like desktop shortcuts but improved

>And that is discounting the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run and press enter which invalidates this whole thing.
the Start Screen also has this feature, but the point isn't launching from typing a command or program name (which, first - you have to know, and second - in case of things being named similarly, the menu has to predict what you mean)
the point is only displaying items that you can launch by clicking on them

so, if anything, that image in fact undersells the start screen

>>107000041
>Here's the reality:
>[delusional points]

>>107000030
one is what the cat likes, the other is what the retard like. there's no larger narrative. you thought I meant something other than that with this post?

>>106999356
iphone

>>106999356
the tech has gotten better, but the content online has gotten worse, so it feels like its the techs fault, but its actually just everything online

as far as microsoft operating systems, vista was shit, redeemed by 7, then fucked up again by 8

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>>106999394
Works on my machine.

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>>106999970
this is accurate
i hate how accurate it is, i want to go back

>>106999356
when bill gates was born

>>106999933
>it was fine if your hardware was supported by it
Didn't it have serious stability issues caused by the, then new, system restore feature? I was under the impression that, and lessened DOS support were the reasons people hated it.

>Windows 8 start menu is superior
That infographic is bullshit. 7's start menu is way faster, and still lets me see the rest of the screen. The classic start menu mogs both in speed since it lets you go basically anywhere on the system in just a couple key presses.

>>106999356
2012
the world ended that year if you hadn't noticed

>>107000077
>in a Start Screen, you can have easily over a hundred items displayed and laid out in neatly organized groups, all equally quick to access
The all programs tab let you do this in a fraction of the space, and it was even faster since you could just press the first letter of the program you wanted to highlight it, then run it with the enter key.

>>106999839
DOS was a decrepit rotten foundation and had to be replaced. It's only logical you merge your OS to simplify development.

>>107000041
>waiting 10 minutes for the computer to turn on and it's loud as fuck too
I've been using PCs of that age for practically my entire life, and I've never experienced this unless the hard drive was dying or the system was loaded with malware. My current machine takes less than a minute to start.
>xp extremely bloated and unstable compared to 2000 and 98, it was considered normal to get random blue screens after a few hours of uptime
The only bluescreens I've had on XP were due to bad hardware and CPU heat problems.

>>107000148
lame zoomer take

>>106999403
>>107000280
It worked. It can still work. But it sucks. Working is the bare minimum for software. ChatGPT can produce something that works. I am not impressed by that.

>>107000077
>the point is only displaying items that you can launch by clicking on them
A useless feature because of
> the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run

>>107000381
It does everything I ask of it without complaint. I really don't see what's shit about it.

>>107000385
This, keyboard GUIs mogs the fuck out of mouse GUI.

>>106999356
XP was slow bloat when it first released.

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>>106999356
>horizontal piles of CDs
don't trigger me, bruh

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>>107000475
i had one whats wrong with that if theyre in cases
when i ran our of space in my disk wallet i used those things the burn disks came in for disk storage

>>106999396
Aside from having to uninstall the crap i didn't want, i thought 8's start menu was pretty cool

>>106999356
This nostalgia bait video is so ASS and FAKE kill yourself OP you fucking faggot

>>106999356
I think when the first iphone came out, they started copying macshit design and stuff started to lose sovl

>>106999356
when the federal reserve was created and the stock exchange was moved from london to new york

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>>106999356
>when did the enshitification start?
Sometime about here.

>>107000357
>It's only logical you merge your OS to simplify development
but, its also 'only logical' Cos seek to diversify their codebase into diversified market offerings?
Microsoft needs to (again) separate its OS offerings, one OS for Business and one OS for consoomers. Change My Mind. You Can't.

>>106999933
is that image supposed to be a joke?

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Around 2006, as the suits finally started realizing that normies are in fact a viable market to exploit.
Before that internet and computer use was still fairly niche and you still needed the designated family teenager to troubleshoot everything.
Companies started catering to people of sub triple digit IQ, and it was necessary to streamline things as much as possible.
When mobile users became a sizeable portion of internet users that was basically the final nail in the coffin, as everyone started trying to catch that mobile market and things had to be dumbed down an order of magnitude further.

>>106999974
>But, that's not my (main) point - why did MS merge NT line (business/pro OS) and their home OS? It was two separate revenue streams - it didn't make much sense (to me) then, or now.
are you serious?
typically a computer would have only one or the other OS - there's no point developing and maintaining two products that compete with each other

>>106999356
intel management engine and the forerunners back in 1990-1995

>>107000327
using only a fraction of the space is a detriment
clicking through menus is in no way faster than having everything shown instantly, even if opening them by initials

>>107000385
having to type the name (even just the beginning) is slower because it's inherently not instant - you can never be sure if what you typed has been matched to the thing you want to start. start typing "notepad" - will it show the microsoft notepad, or notepad++?
a static icon is unambiguous and just there, always

>>107001786
>using only a fraction of the space is a detriment
Having everything compressed together means less mouse movement, therefor less effort. It also means I have to move my head and eyes less to find what I'm looking for. And it lets me still look at the other things happening on my screen instead of it all being taken up by the fat fuck start screen.
>clicking through menus is in no way faster than having everything shown instantly,
Its not clicking. I don't even use the mouse in the start menu most of the time. I just hit the hotkeys for everything I want.

Windows 8.

Linux still gud.

>>107000310
>Didn't it have serious stability issues caused by the, then new, system restore feature?
never used it so never had any problems with it

>and lessened DOS support
can't imagine that being a real problem at the time, and if it was for someone, it wouldn't be something to complain about this hard (just install 95/98, or actual DOS, and multiboot)

>7's start menu is way faster
wrong
>still lets me see the rest of the screen
wouldn't be an issue if it only took a fraction of a second to hide it (like with a start screen)

Guess what? it hasn't even started yet.
2025 will be seen as silver golden age in five years.

>>106999997
wrong. the colors ARE the same time in both menus.
the tiles are bigger, requiring less precision, and thus less time, to select them.

and if you argue about typing, then the visual display doesn't matter at all. so that point is moot.

>>107001814
your points are just retarded and factually wrong
i don't believe you have even tried to use a start screen for longer than 10 minutes and just joined the hater bandwagon with all the other "old good new bad" drones

>>106999356
Starting form Windows 8.1 where they added telemetry. Windows 8 was perfect

>>107001823
>can't imagine that being a real problem at the time
In 1999 Win32 as a platform was only 4 years old. I think its pretty reasonable to expect a lot of people to still be using 4 year old software. And DOS software is particularly finicky about how it runs. Some programs will not run in the Windows virtual dos machine, it has to be booted into actual dos mode with direct hardware access for it to work properly. A lot of games are bad about this.
>never used it so never had any problems with it
From what I've heard, it was usually enabled by default on prebuilt machines, which is what gave them such bad stability issues. This is just hearsay though. I've only used Windows ME for a grand total of an hour, and that machine crashes I know weren't the OS's fault.

>>106999933
ME desktop used to crash lmfao

>>106999356
When MSDos became mainstream. Yes, the period you are nostalgic for was shit as well.

>>107001854
I've used the start screen before, that's how I know its bad. I have an old HP Pavilion laptop lying around with Windows 8 on it, and I've had to help boomers with their Windows 8 PCs before.

>>106999403
Saved.

>>107001915
What was enshitified about DOS? It seems to me like it was an objective improvement over CP/M and the various BASIC ROMs the micros that came before it ran. Sure, it wasn't UNIX, but it also didn't have a UNIX pricetag and was much better suited to home use at the time.

>>107001906
>I think its pretty reasonable to expect a lot of people to still be using 4 year old software.
if it was really needed (eg. some work-related software), such computers wouldn't have just been updated to a new system. not by anyone reasonable, at least
>And DOS software is particularly finicky about how it runs. Some programs will not run in the Windows virtual dos machine, it has to be booted into actual dos mode with direct hardware access for it to work properly. A lot of games are bad about this.
yeah, and people with regular such use cases would just multiboot MS-DOS and Windows
especially enthusiasts that would already know how to do multiple boot configs just for DOS

>>106999356
1986 when Alan Sugar bought Sinclair Research.

>>106999356
Look at those arrow keys on that keyboard and tell me with a straight face that this isn't shit.

>>107001855
telemetry was added in windows 7 thougheverbeit

>>106999356
windows 8

>>106999356
>2010ish
>perfectly functional and reliable Logitech/Microsoft optical mouse is $5-$10 off Newegg lasts until you physically abuse it too much
>2015ish
>it's now $20 and the scroll wheel is noticably worse, and it starts double-clicking or missing clicks after a year
>2020ish
>it's now $30 and feels like it's made entirely of styrofoam from day 1

IE web slop in windows 98

>>106999356
Even during these times we were always thirsting and wanting the next upgrade

>>107002136
>Even
That is actually the difference.
Updates were exciting. They brought improvements and new features.
Today people fear updates. They keep unnecessarily messing with the UI. Removing features. Slowing down the software. Adding ads.

>>107002172
When was the flippening? Windows 8?

>>107002123
channels bar
activex
browser toolbars
real player
applications with ad banners
msn explorer
utorrent pro
sonicstage
itunes
printer driver adware bloatware
proprietary drivers bloatware
new laptop preinstalled adware bloatware
cd drive rootkit drm
paginated articles to force loading more ads
a 5MB flash application to display 2 paragraphs of text and 4 images fans spinning
windows shareware trialware sleazy bs in general (super video screen recorder pro) - most utilities were shitware

>>106999356
It began in 1998 when MS implemented Active Desktop. Infrastructure wasn't ready for this but ever since you have been a data broker for American companies.
Amazon began data mining in 1995 already.

>>107002386
shout outs to proprietary wma and audio/video players with drm but those died quickly

shout outs to some bespoke proprietary file format for everything

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>>106999356
don't you love progress?

>>107002088
I think it was added after Win 8 was already out.

>>107002407
shout outs to yearly buying third party proprietary antivirus software that scans everything all the time to not be pwned by a web browser or adobe flash exploit or something

>>107002428
but things really started to suddenly feel shit and heavy and slow and less responsive to inputs once they added the gpu rendering to all web browsers

>>107002386
also shout outs to barely anything using a os-native ui toolkit since like 2002

>>107002019
I just don't see the point of ME as an operating system when 98 SE does everything it does, but also has better DOS support, which is the entire reason the 9X kernel exists in the first place.

>>106999356
dos

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>>106999396
How do you go form 7 to 8 like this?

>>107002476
>but also has better DOS support, which is the entire reason the 9X kernel exists in the first place
delusional

>98 SE does everything it does
how about being able to boot with more than 512MB of RAM installed
or have USB storage working out of the box

it was always kind of shitty, but i think i really noticed some time around covid. every website started becoming unusable then. tech hardware power is improving though.

>>107002427
No, it was added as a customer improvement program but it can be deactivated.

>>106999356
When electronics and cyberspace became a way of life instead of just another tool/appliance. So 2007-2012 is the transition period for me.

Before that, there was a balance of real life and electronic use. The computer was your portal to the outside world but it didn't swallow your soul. There was plenty of offline use for it too.

>>106999356
I hate that things I like are now algorithm fodder for the subhumans that use tiktok

>>107001786
>you can never be sure if what you typed has been matched to the thing you want to start
Only the first time, afterward you'll know how much you need to type and you can just press enter before the results even show up and it'll open what you want.

>>106999356
Auch big mousepads didn’t exist back then

>>106999356
The release of Windows.

>>106999356
Windows Vista was when things started looking real shaky
Windows 7 was a brief moment of lucidity
Windows 8 was when it hit critical mass

>>107002419
time for you to delete that dmc5 pos off your pc for good

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>>106999394
Yes it did, XP has an ugly Fisher Price UI, and it's still ridiculously easy to break, though better than the DOS-based Windows versions which had zero idiot-proof features.
CRT monitors are a huge hassle for people who are not tech savvy, going from CRT to LCD is like switching from an ICE car to electric for non-car people, it's just better for them in every way.
The internet, for those of us that had it, was dogshit slow, there was no convenient or cheap way to transfer files in 2001.
Much as I hate bloatware and telemetry, I'm not giving up my OLED screen laptop with a 4TB SSD full of high-quality .flac rips that connects to my monitor, 2.5GB ethernet and studio monitors that don't cost an arm and a leg, wireless peripherals and everything else over a single Thunderbolt 3 cable.

>>107002718
I want to finish it to get my money worth but i can't muster the will to launch it again.

>>107000281
You will never go back. NEVER. YOU. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK. NEVER. YOU. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK.

just kidding. I think some hobby places are gaining traction while the retards remain in tiktok, insta, X and reddit. You simply accept that those places are slow and don't have much people but that's the way it was back then as well. You will never go back to things like WoW though. They will always attract the lowest retards of the world who will bring all this shit (women). So best bet is to stay in hobbies and communities where there are no women. If you see women, make sure to keep them on a tight leash culture wise because they will start bringing shit once given any power.

>>107002728
shit or get off the pot lad
I did the same thing recently with dark souls 2
amazing how much less of a trudge it is in NG+ too

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>>107002745
>You will never go back to things like WoW though
RuneScape wins again

>>107002720
can't tell if bot or underage

>>107002918
I've been using a computer since 1995 and DOS then Windows 3.11

>>107001064
For me it was wide adoption of ajax around 2005 or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming)
Final nail was cheap mobile data with 4g networks that allowed hordes of retards to get online.

>>107002946
not op but you have weird vibe my man.

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>>107002987
I'm someone who used to daily drive two CRT monitors back in 2005, I have one of the top 10 CRTs still in my collection of hardware.
I've done pencil mods, I've overclocked the bejeezus out of CPUs and GPUs, did BIOS swaps on graphics cards etc. and I've killed a lot of components over the years.
I hosted LAN parties every weekend and as much as I miss the days when you could actually tinker with hardware, what we have now is objectively better.

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>>107003040

>>107003040
Based boomer.

>>107003070
Cringe retarded zoomer.

>>107003040
Obviously it's 'objectively' better, it's faster and more convenient to use. I think you're missing the point of why enthusiasts tend to gravitate towards older hardware/software that requires more out of the user.

>>107003040
>what we have now is objectively better.
Not in my opinion. I would go back to hardware from 20 years ago if that meant internet and its users would also roll 20 years back and to be mostly Americans again.
Don't really care about modern hardware other than it's way cheaper and more accessible now.

>>106999999
>>107000000

>>106999394
Waiting 15 minutes to boot up the family Dell Optiplex workstation only to crash playing Half-Life 2 after an hour and having to reboot the entire desktop to fix it was nightmarish. I still get hardcore nostalgia for those days but I remember how much suffering I endured trying to game on a piece of shit desktop with a bargain bin GPU in it and I am glad things changed. If my childhood self could see my desktop boot in 5 seconds and run modern AAA games at 120FPS 4K with absolutely zero crashes in the past decade would probably die of a heart attack.

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>>107003070
Not that I need to prove anything to you, but here's my battlestation from 19 years ago.

>>107003118
There was more to get out from it and I do miss that part for sure.
Overclocking has become less and less viable, for both CPUs and GPUs, you can't even unlock pixel pipelines with Riva Tuner nowadays.

I'm not really talking about the speed gains, because those are mostly negated by the bloat of modern software.
But even good components back then were not as well made as the ridiculously overbuilt PSUs, motherboards and GPUs you can get today.
Consuming any kind of media was a pain in the ass, you'd download a shitty 128kbps mp3 for 20-30 minutes over p2p and risk getting CP or malware or both.
It wasn't until the early 2000s that I had a PC that was decent enough to play shitty 700MB RIPs of movies and I had to connect to my CRT TV over composite.
A 20GB HDD and a CD burner cost an arm and a leg, the best audio experience you could reasonably get was hooking up a HiFi system over AUX.
CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometry, the focus will drift over time etc.
Most peripherals were shit, the mouse in the photo is one of the good ones from the era.
I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've made, I'd have killed a man back in the day for the setup I have now, it would have looked to me like something out of science fiction.

>>107003174
I'm European, but yes I know what you mean, there's way too many third worlders online.

>>107002720
>like switching from an ICE car to electric for non-car people, it's just better for them in every way.
kill yourself

>>106999356
windows 7 is the only os that werks

>>106999933
the first computers i ever used had ME and they ran fine for browsing the internet in the school library.

>>107002720
>crt monitors are a huge hassle for people who are not tech savvy
What the fuck are you talking about? Is it too hard to press the degauss button every once in a while?

>>107003411
>I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've made
yet you continue to type like a poser and mostly just repeat buzzwords and opinions found in social media or other posts
ironically, all you're doing is contributing to enshittification of this thread

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>>107003556
>CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometry, the focus will drift over time etc.
Just think back to how many CRTs have you seen with bad geometry, shit picture settings and running at 60Hz?
Normies were too stupid for CRTs, LCDs are idiot-proof by comparison.

>>107003569
Too bad, your nostalgia for the good old days is irrelevant.

>>107003411
>I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've made
Nope I would rather have everything back like it was 20 years ago then those advancements.
Same goes with cars. I was driving beater that used as much oil as gas but gas was cheap, there was parking everywhere, I could just drop it at my local car guy for fixup is needed. Now I drive nice car which I hate because no parking, gas is expensive, have to schedule service two weeks in advance... guess this is what people in part call enshitification, where cumulative progress is actually worse for quality of life than no progress at all.

>>107003662
I'm sure your city didn't have as much diversity 20 years ago :^)

Since win 8 release

>>107002386
wow that bloat sounds like windows 11

>>106999356
January 1, 1983.

>>107003634
>20-30 minutes to warm up
>earth's magnetic field affects the geometry
Stop talking out of your arse. You sound like someone who never used one.

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>>107003634
>CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic field
Autism patient zero

>>107000365
I'm 62

>>107004457
What the FUCK is this historical revisionism? CRT monitors fucking sucked. They sucked to look at especially at desktop ranges where you could see each little dot. You had to work to understand what you were looking at all the fucking time, a busy screen was basically incomprehensible. God just thinking about it pisses me the fuck off