when did the enshitification start?
>>106999356Enshitification is as natural as entropy.
>>106999356For computers specifically, 2004-2005.
>>106999356This shit sucked and I'm not going to let people tell me it didn't
When we started doing away with skeuomorphism
>>106999394it werked tho
>>106999356windows 98
>>106999356Windows MEI can hear the fake tik tok 'le 90s kid nostalgia' theme song playing from this clip.
Right about here
>>106999356i fucking hate this tiktok zoomer format
>>106999356genuinely, with your picrelxp was the merger (or more truly abandonment), of the two separate Windows paths, 'business/pro' and 'home'. And to this day, I'm not sure why MS did that - a 'business/pro' OS is more needed now than ever.w2k was fucking solid pro OS and 98 was a great consumer OS. ME was a fucking disaster and then they merged the consumer OS line with the (up until then) separate NT 'pro' line. Windows 7 was the perfect offspring, the last great OS. And its all been shit rolling downhill and lemon squeezing since.
>>106999356>windowsIt was always shit.
>>106999839>ME was a fucking disasterit was fine if your hardware was supported by itmost people hate it only as a secondhand opinion repeated from youtube or other social media>Windows 7 was the perfect offspring, the last great OSmost of the improvements over XP were already in Vista, Win 7 didn't add all that muchalso Windows 8/8.1 did some good but unpopular stuff - for example, the start screen is objectively superior to the start menu
>>106999356Everything after DOS>t.windows 10 zoomer
>The enshittification of the world, summed up in one picture
>>106999356Windows 95
>>1069993562007-2008 was the turning point in our society, but you can argue the seeds of materialism were sown long before that. The financial crash and smartphones were major enablers and accelerants in the "out optimization" of everything good and human. Soul doesn't immediately contribute to the next quarter's profits.
>>106999933Yeah, but ME *was* bad upon release, given the then standard of PC's, which is the same thing as 'righteously earned itself a bad rep'. As was Vista, when less so, I'd argue Vista + SP2 > W7.But, that's not my (main) point - why did MS merge NT line (business/pro OS) and their home OS? It was two separate revenue streams - it didn't make much sense (to me) then, or now.
>>106999937I presume you mean DOS 5 before they added that DoubleSpace - oh, whoops, the lawyers say it has to be DriveSpace - crap in 6.x
>>106999933>for example, the start screen is objectively superior to the start menuThis is a fucking retarded image, because the immediate way to interpret it is that the red area is equally slow to reach, but that's not the fucking case.In the Windows 7 start menu you can reach all the items within the time you reach the green items within the Windows 8 start menu.And that is discounting the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run and press enter which invalidates this whole thing.
>>106999356It was planned from the beginning.
>>106999403why is python on the right? Tailwind???what are these categories even supposed to be
Here's the reality:>waiting 10 minutes for the computer to turn on and it's loud as fuck too>xp extremely bloated and unstable compared to 2000 and 98, it was considered normal to get random blue screens after a few hours of uptime>first windows to ditch classic look for shitted up fisher price interface and forced online activation>2g shitphone that jews you for every little thing even just to receive an sms and god forbid you opened the internet browser by accident>no such thing as vpns, tor, and cryptocurrency. you had to use your real ip for everything and risk making accounts with fake names.>popups and nasty javascripts everywhere, getting infected by exploit kits just by visiting the wrong website>updating flash and shockwave and java because they harass you in your status bar for the 20th time>all the videos were in 240p and they took forever
>>106999997>In the Windows 7 start menu you can reach all the items within the time you reach the green items within the Windows 8 start menu.in a Start Menu, you see maybe a dozen items on the list, and they're always in one of the corners of the screenin a Start Screen, you can have easily over a hundred items displayed and laid out in neatly organized groups, all equally quick to access (especially if you group your most common things nearer to the center of the screen). you just pre-aim your mouse where the item you want to open is on the screen while hitting the Win key, and click on the correct program basically immediatelyit's like desktop shortcuts but improved>And that is discounting the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run and press enter which invalidates this whole thing.the Start Screen also has this feature, but the point isn't launching from typing a command or program name (which, first - you have to know, and second - in case of things being named similarly, the menu has to predict what you mean)the point is only displaying items that you can launch by clicking on themso, if anything, that image in fact undersells the start screen
>>107000041>Here's the reality:>[delusional points]
>>107000030one is what the cat likes, the other is what the retard like. there's no larger narrative. you thought I meant something other than that with this post?
>>106999356iphone
>>106999356the tech has gotten better, but the content online has gotten worse, so it feels like its the techs fault, but its actually just everything onlineas far as microsoft operating systems, vista was shit, redeemed by 7, then fucked up again by 8
>>106999394Works on my machine.
>>106999970this is accuratei hate how accurate it is, i want to go back
>>106999356when bill gates was born
>>106999933>it was fine if your hardware was supported by itDidn't it have serious stability issues caused by the, then new, system restore feature? I was under the impression that, and lessened DOS support were the reasons people hated it.>Windows 8 start menu is superiorThat infographic is bullshit. 7's start menu is way faster, and still lets me see the rest of the screen. The classic start menu mogs both in speed since it lets you go basically anywhere on the system in just a couple key presses.
>>1069993562012the world ended that year if you hadn't noticed
>>107000077>in a Start Screen, you can have easily over a hundred items displayed and laid out in neatly organized groups, all equally quick to accessThe all programs tab let you do this in a fraction of the space, and it was even faster since you could just press the first letter of the program you wanted to highlight it, then run it with the enter key.
>>106999839DOS was a decrepit rotten foundation and had to be replaced. It's only logical you merge your OS to simplify development.
>>107000041>waiting 10 minutes for the computer to turn on and it's loud as fuck tooI've been using PCs of that age for practically my entire life, and I've never experienced this unless the hard drive was dying or the system was loaded with malware. My current machine takes less than a minute to start.>xp extremely bloated and unstable compared to 2000 and 98, it was considered normal to get random blue screens after a few hours of uptimeThe only bluescreens I've had on XP were due to bad hardware and CPU heat problems.
>>107000148lame zoomer take
>>106999403>>107000280It worked. It can still work. But it sucks. Working is the bare minimum for software. ChatGPT can produce something that works. I am not impressed by that.
>>107000077>the point is only displaying items that you can launch by clicking on themA useless feature because of > the ability to just press the Windows key and start typing the first letters of the program you want to run
>>107000381It does everything I ask of it without complaint. I really don't see what's shit about it.
>>107000385This, keyboard GUIs mogs the fuck out of mouse GUI.
>>106999356XP was slow bloat when it first released.
>>106999356>horizontal piles of CDsdon't trigger me, bruh
>>107000475i had one whats wrong with that if theyre in caseswhen i ran our of space in my disk wallet i used those things the burn disks came in for disk storage
>>106999396Aside from having to uninstall the crap i didn't want, i thought 8's start menu was pretty cool
>>106999356This nostalgia bait video is so ASS and FAKE kill yourself OP you fucking faggot
>>106999356I think when the first iphone came out, they started copying macshit design and stuff started to lose sovl
>>106999356when the federal reserve was created and the stock exchange was moved from london to new york
>>106999356>when did the enshitification start?Sometime about here.
>>107000357>It's only logical you merge your OS to simplify developmentbut, its also 'only logical' Cos seek to diversify their codebase into diversified market offerings? Microsoft needs to (again) separate its OS offerings, one OS for Business and one OS for consoomers. Change My Mind. You Can't.
>>106999933is that image supposed to be a joke?
Around 2006, as the suits finally started realizing that normies are in fact a viable market to exploit.Before that internet and computer use was still fairly niche and you still needed the designated family teenager to troubleshoot everything.Companies started catering to people of sub triple digit IQ, and it was necessary to streamline things as much as possible.When mobile users became a sizeable portion of internet users that was basically the final nail in the coffin, as everyone started trying to catch that mobile market and things had to be dumbed down an order of magnitude further.
>>106999974>But, that's not my (main) point - why did MS merge NT line (business/pro OS) and their home OS? It was two separate revenue streams - it didn't make much sense (to me) then, or now.are you serious?typically a computer would have only one or the other OS - there's no point developing and maintaining two products that compete with each other
>>106999356intel management engine and the forerunners back in 1990-1995
>>107000327using only a fraction of the space is a detrimentclicking through menus is in no way faster than having everything shown instantly, even if opening them by initials>>107000385having to type the name (even just the beginning) is slower because it's inherently not instant - you can never be sure if what you typed has been matched to the thing you want to start. start typing "notepad" - will it show the microsoft notepad, or notepad++?a static icon is unambiguous and just there, always
>>107001786>using only a fraction of the space is a detrimentHaving everything compressed together means less mouse movement, therefor less effort. It also means I have to move my head and eyes less to find what I'm looking for. And it lets me still look at the other things happening on my screen instead of it all being taken up by the fat fuck start screen.>clicking through menus is in no way faster than having everything shown instantly,Its not clicking. I don't even use the mouse in the start menu most of the time. I just hit the hotkeys for everything I want.
Windows 8.Linux still gud.
>>107000310>Didn't it have serious stability issues caused by the, then new, system restore feature?never used it so never had any problems with it>and lessened DOS supportcan't imagine that being a real problem at the time, and if it was for someone, it wouldn't be something to complain about this hard (just install 95/98, or actual DOS, and multiboot)>7's start menu is way fasterwrong>still lets me see the rest of the screenwouldn't be an issue if it only took a fraction of a second to hide it (like with a start screen)
Guess what? it hasn't even started yet.2025 will be seen as silver golden age in five years.
>>106999997wrong. the colors ARE the same time in both menus.the tiles are bigger, requiring less precision, and thus less time, to select them.and if you argue about typing, then the visual display doesn't matter at all. so that point is moot.
>>107001814your points are just retarded and factually wrongi don't believe you have even tried to use a start screen for longer than 10 minutes and just joined the hater bandwagon with all the other "old good new bad" drones
>>106999356Starting form Windows 8.1 where they added telemetry. Windows 8 was perfect
>>107001823>can't imagine that being a real problem at the timeIn 1999 Win32 as a platform was only 4 years old. I think its pretty reasonable to expect a lot of people to still be using 4 year old software. And DOS software is particularly finicky about how it runs. Some programs will not run in the Windows virtual dos machine, it has to be booted into actual dos mode with direct hardware access for it to work properly. A lot of games are bad about this.>never used it so never had any problems with itFrom what I've heard, it was usually enabled by default on prebuilt machines, which is what gave them such bad stability issues. This is just hearsay though. I've only used Windows ME for a grand total of an hour, and that machine crashes I know weren't the OS's fault.
>>106999933ME desktop used to crash lmfao
>>106999356When MSDos became mainstream. Yes, the period you are nostalgic for was shit as well.
>>107001854I've used the start screen before, that's how I know its bad. I have an old HP Pavilion laptop lying around with Windows 8 on it, and I've had to help boomers with their Windows 8 PCs before.
>>106999403Saved.
>>107001915What was enshitified about DOS? It seems to me like it was an objective improvement over CP/M and the various BASIC ROMs the micros that came before it ran. Sure, it wasn't UNIX, but it also didn't have a UNIX pricetag and was much better suited to home use at the time.
>>107001906>I think its pretty reasonable to expect a lot of people to still be using 4 year old software.if it was really needed (eg. some work-related software), such computers wouldn't have just been updated to a new system. not by anyone reasonable, at least>And DOS software is particularly finicky about how it runs. Some programs will not run in the Windows virtual dos machine, it has to be booted into actual dos mode with direct hardware access for it to work properly. A lot of games are bad about this.yeah, and people with regular such use cases would just multiboot MS-DOS and Windows especially enthusiasts that would already know how to do multiple boot configs just for DOS
>>1069993561986 when Alan Sugar bought Sinclair Research.
>>106999356Look at those arrow keys on that keyboard and tell me with a straight face that this isn't shit.
>>107001855telemetry was added in windows 7 thougheverbeit
>>106999356windows 8
>>106999356>2010ish>perfectly functional and reliable Logitech/Microsoft optical mouse is $5-$10 off Newegg lasts until you physically abuse it too much>2015ish>it's now $20 and the scroll wheel is noticably worse, and it starts double-clicking or missing clicks after a year>2020ish>it's now $30 and feels like it's made entirely of styrofoam from day 1
IE web slop in windows 98
>>106999356Even during these times we were always thirsting and wanting the next upgrade
>>107002136>EvenThat is actually the difference.Updates were exciting. They brought improvements and new features.Today people fear updates. They keep unnecessarily messing with the UI. Removing features. Slowing down the software. Adding ads.
>>107002172When was the flippening? Windows 8?
>>107002123channels baractivexbrowser toolbarsreal playerapplications with ad bannersmsn explorerutorrent prosonicstageitunesprinter driver adware bloatwareproprietary drivers bloatwarenew laptop preinstalled adware bloatwarecd drive rootkit drmpaginated articles to force loading more adsa 5MB flash application to display 2 paragraphs of text and 4 images fans spinningwindows shareware trialware sleazy bs in general (super video screen recorder pro) - most utilities were shitware
>>106999356It began in 1998 when MS implemented Active Desktop. Infrastructure wasn't ready for this but ever since you have been a data broker for American companies. Amazon began data mining in 1995 already.
>>107002386shout outs to proprietary wma and audio/video players with drm but those died quicklyshout outs to some bespoke proprietary file format for everything
>>106999356don't you love progress?
>>107002088I think it was added after Win 8 was already out.
>>107002407shout outs to yearly buying third party proprietary antivirus software that scans everything all the time to not be pwned by a web browser or adobe flash exploit or something
>>107002428but things really started to suddenly feel shit and heavy and slow and less responsive to inputs once they added the gpu rendering to all web browsers
>>107002386also shout outs to barely anything using a os-native ui toolkit since like 2002
>>107002019I just don't see the point of ME as an operating system when 98 SE does everything it does, but also has better DOS support, which is the entire reason the 9X kernel exists in the first place.
>>106999356dos
>>106999396How do you go form 7 to 8 like this?
>>107002476>but also has better DOS support, which is the entire reason the 9X kernel exists in the first placedelusional>98 SE does everything it doeshow about being able to boot with more than 512MB of RAM installedor have USB storage working out of the box
it was always kind of shitty, but i think i really noticed some time around covid. every website started becoming unusable then. tech hardware power is improving though.
>>107002427No, it was added as a customer improvement program but it can be deactivated.
>>106999356When electronics and cyberspace became a way of life instead of just another tool/appliance. So 2007-2012 is the transition period for me.Before that, there was a balance of real life and electronic use. The computer was your portal to the outside world but it didn't swallow your soul. There was plenty of offline use for it too.
>>106999356I hate that things I like are now algorithm fodder for the subhumans that use tiktok
>>107001786>you can never be sure if what you typed has been matched to the thing you want to startOnly the first time, afterward you'll know how much you need to type and you can just press enter before the results even show up and it'll open what you want.
>>106999356Auch big mousepads didn’t exist back then
>>106999356The release of Windows.
>>106999356Windows Vista was when things started looking real shakyWindows 7 was a brief moment of lucidityWindows 8 was when it hit critical mass
>>107002419time for you to delete that dmc5 pos off your pc for good
>>106999394Yes it did, XP has an ugly Fisher Price UI, and it's still ridiculously easy to break, though better than the DOS-based Windows versions which had zero idiot-proof features. CRT monitors are a huge hassle for people who are not tech savvy, going from CRT to LCD is like switching from an ICE car to electric for non-car people, it's just better for them in every way.The internet, for those of us that had it, was dogshit slow, there was no convenient or cheap way to transfer files in 2001.Much as I hate bloatware and telemetry, I'm not giving up my OLED screen laptop with a 4TB SSD full of high-quality .flac rips that connects to my monitor, 2.5GB ethernet and studio monitors that don't cost an arm and a leg, wireless peripherals and everything else over a single Thunderbolt 3 cable.
>>107002718I want to finish it to get my money worth but i can't muster the will to launch it again.
>>107000281You will never go back. NEVER. YOU. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK. NEVER. YOU. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK.just kidding. I think some hobby places are gaining traction while the retards remain in tiktok, insta, X and reddit. You simply accept that those places are slow and don't have much people but that's the way it was back then as well. You will never go back to things like WoW though. They will always attract the lowest retards of the world who will bring all this shit (women). So best bet is to stay in hobbies and communities where there are no women. If you see women, make sure to keep them on a tight leash culture wise because they will start bringing shit once given any power.
>>107002728shit or get off the pot ladI did the same thing recently with dark souls 2amazing how much less of a trudge it is in NG+ too
>>107002745>You will never go back to things like WoW thoughRuneScape wins again
>>107002720can't tell if bot or underage
>>107002918I've been using a computer since 1995 and DOS then Windows 3.11
>>107001064For me it was wide adoption of ajax around 2005 or so.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming)Final nail was cheap mobile data with 4g networks that allowed hordes of retards to get online.
>>107002946not op but you have weird vibe my man.
>>107002987I'm someone who used to daily drive two CRT monitors back in 2005, I have one of the top 10 CRTs still in my collection of hardware.I've done pencil mods, I've overclocked the bejeezus out of CPUs and GPUs, did BIOS swaps on graphics cards etc. and I've killed a lot of components over the years.I hosted LAN parties every weekend and as much as I miss the days when you could actually tinker with hardware, what we have now is objectively better.
>>107003040
>>107003040Based boomer.>>107003070Cringe retarded zoomer.
>>107003040Obviously it's 'objectively' better, it's faster and more convenient to use. I think you're missing the point of why enthusiasts tend to gravitate towards older hardware/software that requires more out of the user.
>>107003040>what we have now is objectively better.Not in my opinion. I would go back to hardware from 20 years ago if that meant internet and its users would also roll 20 years back and to be mostly Americans again.Don't really care about modern hardware other than it's way cheaper and more accessible now.
>>106999999>>107000000
>>106999394Waiting 15 minutes to boot up the family Dell Optiplex workstation only to crash playing Half-Life 2 after an hour and having to reboot the entire desktop to fix it was nightmarish. I still get hardcore nostalgia for those days but I remember how much suffering I endured trying to game on a piece of shit desktop with a bargain bin GPU in it and I am glad things changed. If my childhood self could see my desktop boot in 5 seconds and run modern AAA games at 120FPS 4K with absolutely zero crashes in the past decade would probably die of a heart attack.
>>107003070Not that I need to prove anything to you, but here's my battlestation from 19 years ago. >>107003118There was more to get out from it and I do miss that part for sure.Overclocking has become less and less viable, for both CPUs and GPUs, you can't even unlock pixel pipelines with Riva Tuner nowadays. I'm not really talking about the speed gains, because those are mostly negated by the bloat of modern software.But even good components back then were not as well made as the ridiculously overbuilt PSUs, motherboards and GPUs you can get today.Consuming any kind of media was a pain in the ass, you'd download a shitty 128kbps mp3 for 20-30 minutes over p2p and risk getting CP or malware or both.It wasn't until the early 2000s that I had a PC that was decent enough to play shitty 700MB RIPs of movies and I had to connect to my CRT TV over composite. A 20GB HDD and a CD burner cost an arm and a leg, the best audio experience you could reasonably get was hooking up a HiFi system over AUX. CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometry, the focus will drift over time etc.Most peripherals were shit, the mouse in the photo is one of the good ones from the era. I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've made, I'd have killed a man back in the day for the setup I have now, it would have looked to me like something out of science fiction.>>107003174I'm European, but yes I know what you mean, there's way too many third worlders online.
>>107002720>like switching from an ICE car to electric for non-car people, it's just better for them in every way.kill yourself
>>106999356windows 7 is the only os that werks
>>106999933the first computers i ever used had ME and they ran fine for browsing the internet in the school library.
>>107002720>crt monitors are a huge hassle for people who are not tech savvyWhat the fuck are you talking about? Is it too hard to press the degauss button every once in a while?
>>107003411>I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've madeyet you continue to type like a poser and mostly just repeat buzzwords and opinions found in social media or other postsironically, all you're doing is contributing to enshittification of this thread
>>107003556>CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometry, the focus will drift over time etc.Just think back to how many CRTs have you seen with bad geometry, shit picture settings and running at 60Hz?Normies were too stupid for CRTs, LCDs are idiot-proof by comparison. >>107003569Too bad, your nostalgia for the good old days is irrelevant.
>>107003411>I just try to be objective about the genuine advancements we've madeNope I would rather have everything back like it was 20 years ago then those advancements.Same goes with cars. I was driving beater that used as much oil as gas but gas was cheap, there was parking everywhere, I could just drop it at my local car guy for fixup is needed. Now I drive nice car which I hate because no parking, gas is expensive, have to schedule service two weeks in advance... guess this is what people in part call enshitification, where cumulative progress is actually worse for quality of life than no progress at all.
>>107003662I'm sure your city didn't have as much diversity 20 years ago :^)
Since win 8 release
>>107002386wow that bloat sounds like windows 11
>>106999356January 1, 1983.
>>107003634>20-30 minutes to warm up>earth's magnetic field affects the geometry Stop talking out of your arse. You sound like someone who never used one.
>>107003634>CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm up, even the Earth's magnetic fieldAutism patient zero
>>107000365I'm 62
>>107004457What the FUCK is this historical revisionism? CRT monitors fucking sucked. They sucked to look at especially at desktop ranges where you could see each little dot. You had to work to understand what you were looking at all the fucking time, a busy screen was basically incomprehensible. God just thinking about it pisses me the fuck off
>>107004457I have, for longer than LCDs actually, have you actually used one?They have other downsides too btw, the geometry also changes depending on the overall brightness of the image, and the peak brightness of white also decreases the brighter the overall picture becomes too (similar to OLED TVs now).>>107004571I'm not going to deny it. >>107004601They still have some great qualities like arbitrary resolutions and exceptional motion clarity even at low refresh rates.But everything else has been surpassed by OLED.
>>107004601Nah the thing is kids now get top of the line trinitron/diamondtron and then compare those to lcd's but no one could afford trinitron back in the day so we used horrible oval screens with no focus, often with weak dim tube. When I got my first lcd sharpness and overall quality was mind blowing. I don't really miss CRT's other for aesthetic value. I love some old tech screens like VFD but CRT ain't it.
>>106999396Microsoft never even did skeumorphism.
>>107003415>for non-car people>car person starts ragingNon-car people will appreciate the orders of magnitude lower maintenance of an EV and the generally cheaper cost of electricity more than your stupid ass can begin to comprehend.If the lower range is unacceptable then they won't get an EV simple as, but that's not that common since the majority of EVs does 500km on one charge and that's some ground to cover.They don't give a singular fuck about driving dynamics or whatever else you might.
>>107005195Until you get told that battery replacement will cost 20 grand and warranty is void because you drove in the rain.
>>106999948this
>>107005213only problem with ev cars right now is poverty. they're expensive to buy and if you live in apartment you're fucked with charging. Still drive gas car and have diesel 4x4 but would get ev tho have nowhere to charge it. Drove company leaf for couple of months, I loved it.
>>107002654this
>>106999356when the jeets reached critical mass
>>106999933The problem with the heatmap is you can also come from the middle of the screen and just you can flick to the right spot.
>>107005213>Until you get told that battery replacement will cost 20 grandThat's at the very least 10 years from buying it.>and warranty is void because you drove in the rain.If the warranty lasts to the time when you need a battery replacement in the first place and that is just a judaism problem, not an EV problem. Even then it sounds exceptionally absurd but it wouldn't surprise me. There's that guy whose GR Corolla caught fire when driving under the speed limit on a public highway (so not the driver's fault) and Toyota told him to get bent because he took it to a track day. So because he drove over the national speed limit on private property at a random point in time before. No law broken no nothing. Literally doing what the car's meant for.Imagine being snitched on by a fucking Toyota Corolla, I'd end myself.
COMPUTERS WENT WRONG WHEN THEY MADE IT FOR NIGGERS
>>107004860>have you actually used one?Use one, I used to fucking make them son, or at least I ran an ACI department that built up the components on the PCB. I would agree that in no way are CRT's superior to modern panels but they weren't the fucking nightmare to use that you portray them to be.
>>107002776>RuneScape wins again>Pride eventsI'm sad that even RS is cooked.Women and faggots destroy everything good given enough time.
>>107005831RuneScape was always a tranny game. Changing your gender to a woman is canon, you cannot get a quest cape without doing so.
>>107005858Trannies can't change gender.In video games you can because it's fiction.Stop being a massive faggot.Trannies will never be women, because we live in reality.
>>107005750>they weren't the fucking nightmare to use that you portray them to beI'm just listing their drawbacks even if some of those are really, really niche like the varying brightness/geometry.I'm well aware that you have to be at least as autistic as me to care about it and notice, but it's a fact that normies couldn't set up a CRT properly with most running at 60Hz with bad geometry/picture settings.To the extend that normies can fuck up modern monitors/TVs they still do of course. Lots of people run their TVs on "dynamic" or some such picture setting completely crushing all detail into pure black, pure white or the primary colours. I've seen a non-techy friend buy a high-refresh rate LCD and he ran it at 60Hz but was convinced it was great...
>>106999970now put a 2025 part on there where everything on the left has to be censored because of the people on the right being there
>>107005567as mentioned in the other post, you can pre-aim at the area where the target tile is on the start screen while opening it with the winkey and be even faster
>>106999356>thread about enshitification>muh tranniesYou need to let it go. Trannies weren't the ones who turned everything into a cloud subscription hellscape, nor are they the ones shoving AI into everything.
>>107006114didnt say anything about trannies are you hallucinating?
>>106999356I lived through this shit and I can't comprehend why anyone would feel nostalgic about any of this.Must be zoomers yearning for times they never lived through.
>>106999933This was tested by a retard.
>>106999356when broadband internet made its way to everyones home.
>>107000706Google Video was so much better except for the lack of social media stuff like friend groups (which were destroyed anyways)
>>107006826no, it was worsethat's why YouTube got more popularand why google then bought it out
>>107002540>delusionalIt is. The NT kernel predates Windows 95 by two years. 95 was created specifically to maintain compatibility with DOS programs while also running the new Win32 programs. >how about being able to boot with more than 512MB of RAM installedHow many home users had hardware capable of addressing more than 512MB of RAM in 1999? The few that did would likely be better suited with WIndows 2000 anyways.>or have USB storage working out of the boxInstalling drivers for basic functionality is the standard windows experience. That's a nothing burger issue.
>>107004878Its been my personal experience that cheap and shitty CRTs look better than early cheap LCDs. Even modern LCDs cheap LCDs don't look any better.
>>107003040>what we have now is objectively better.In what way? I'm still using 20 year old hardware as my daily driver and it just seems better in every way except power to me.
>>107002720You listed hardware, no software. XP could use 2TB for disk, it's enough for most usecases other than high resolution media work. In 2025 I still have no disk larger than 2TB. They are overpriced after that point. Why do you think that newer monitor wouldn't work on older system? FLAC files, USB HUB? Wtf are you talking about? Everything you described literally works on it aside maybe from wireless stuff and thunderbolt. Also I would take Fisher Price UI over flatshit any time. Flatshit is disgusting.
>>107003411>CRT monitors needed 20-30 minutes to warm upMore like five to ten in my experience, and it only takes about 15 seconds to get to a usable state.> the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometry the Earth's magnetic field affects the geometryadjusting geometry isn't that hard, It only takes five minutes, and then you won't have to do it again for years.
>>107003211I think that had less to do with tech at the time, and more to do with you being a retarded kid who downloaded a million malware toolbars on the gammily PC, My Dell Dimension with a shitty PCI graphics card takes less than a minute to boot and runs HL2 at around 80 fps.
>>106999356when h1bs started to become prevalent in the tech industry
>>106999356right after win2k
>>107006786Oh no, It's hard to go to device manager and install drivers for devices that have warning sign on it. It's soo hard, I will shit my pants, because I need to do something myself. There is literally zero new features that new windows have aside from installing drivers for you. I would take that "hassle" over bloat. Newer windows need more tinkering to make it less bloated and not spy on you than installing drivers ever was.
>>107000077Never thought you zoomer retards would be so quick to imprint on the fucking Start screen, a disaster so bad that Microsoft backpedaled on it after 8.1
enshittification started in 2OoO
>>107007263Do I really need to list all the ways in which XP sucks? It was trivial to break and most programs ran with full access to system files.Vista was a massive step up and 7 is just Vista with a service pack and enough time for the hardware to catch up and the drivers to be polished. >>107007273It depends, but all CRTs need to get nice and toasty to get the best picture.Geometry seemed to be easier to manage for smaller screens, but the 22" I had needed a lot of tweaking to get the best results - >>107004860Some of the cheaper ones didn't offer all the necessary controls and you could never get them quite right and they would lose their settings for a specific resolution/refresh rate after changing the mode. Higher end ones like the Mitsubishi even came with software to let you adjust everything with a GUI instead of the buttons on the monitor, it's quite neat. I wouldn't keep the monitor if I didn't like it of course, I'd have sold it for way too much to some zoomer otherwise.But they are finicky and people who say otherwise just didn't care enough to try and get the most out of their CRTs back in the day.
>>107005652>corpos ruin>B-B-BUT, MUH NIGGAS>>>/x/>>>/pol/
>>106999356Corperate greed got squeezed to the late stage and the 'everything is a service'ification, mid 2010s probably, though the seeds have been there for a while. Considering how mainstream it's going, theres going to be plenty of people who fight back, but there are an awful lot of people who are in a state of "the corporations already own us, no point in resisting and I have nothing to hide, so I'll just lean back, take it and enjoy the 'benefits' of it"
>>106999403Why are both sides garbage though?
>>107007745>he doesn't remember Terry's rantsHow new?
>>107007477>but the 22" I had needed a lot of tweaking to get the best resultsI've never seen a CRT monitor bigger than 19" in my life. Of the ones I've seen, even the bottom of the barrel cheapos that came with home PCs all had good geometry settings. The worst part about them was that they lacked individual color adjustments and would inevitably develop color issues over time.>But they are finicky and people who say otherwise just didn't care enough to try and get the most out of their CRTs back in the day.I agree their finnicky. Getting the most out of a CRT takes work, but I think good enough on a CRT is pretty easy to achieve and still does look pretty good.
>>107002776>runescape wins againBest of luck in quitting anon, it'll be the best thing you ever do for yourself and probably your loved ones too.
>>107005858>>107005831They removed the gender change aspect of that quest and the pride events, funnily enough.
>>106999356I don't miss this era one bit.
>>107004860>perfect gray scale tracking>phosphor emission spectrum has >=98 CRI>20 nanoseconds input delay>multi-sync capability>high closed loop recyclability (easy to reuse tubes to make ones with fresh guns)>high serviceability>literal particle accelerators>picrel
>>107007335You speak like a faggot.
>>107002695Windows 7 was like that "death rally" thing where people suddenly become lucid and well just before dying.
>>106999356Just imagine the radiation levels
>>106999396This was the moment I noticed something was seriously going wrong with technology
>>106999356Dot com boom brought all sorts of cheap consumer crap to otherwise enthusiast/business only space. You could argue it started then. Win ME, XP, vista, 7 all had some new feature integration issues but you could work around it. Windows 8 was the first time you needed 3rd party intervention to fix the OS, and around that time you had significantly cheaper and shittier systems based on embedded solutions flooding the market, soldered cpus, ram, firmware shit like ME and PSP that are incredibly difficult to work around, lots of very intense and invasive enshitification around 2008-2012. Flashpocalypse, iPhone becoming mainstream, gender politics invading the Linux scene so nothing productive ever comes out of FOSS ever again, death of physical media, everything as a service cancer, all of that started up in that window
My best guess, after giving it some thought, would be when they decided to push for ad spam everywhere and Yahoo Search getting trashed and social media having grown too much. Around that point, more or less. Now things look quite loony with all the hallucinating AI spam.>>107007851not an argument, try again, and no memes or e-celebs, schi/x/oid
>>107008666>>107008676LMAO I VORE THIS HISTORICAL REVISIONISM WITH MY ASSPOWERPOINT USED TO TAKE DAYS TO START CDUCUDXUDXYDXUDXXUD X TZIXFIFVGIVIFVCICFCICCF YOUR FUCKING VIDEO IS AN INSULT TO HUMANITYS SUFFERING PHEONIX RAM LIKE UTTER SPIKEY BEAVER SHITNONE OF THE WEB BROWSER WERE GOOD THEY WEREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO RUNNING THAT FAST OPENING INTERNET EXPLORER WAS LIKE BEING RAPED IN THE ASS BY ANOTHER ASS YOU HAD TO CLICK ON FIREFOX SO MANY TIMES BY THE TIMEVIT FINALLY LOADED YOU WOULD HAVE 30 WINDOWS OF FIREFOX AND THEN YOU WOULD GET BSOD
2007
>>106999394>This shit sucked and I'm not going to let people tell me it didn'tIt did not suck, but the modern stuff is certainly more streamlined and convenient. CRT screens worked great, but I'm not going to give the entire top of my desk over to one ever again either even though I do have a PC CRT that is the exact same model as the one my family had back in 2009.What if both were good but one is better?
>>107000505>i thought 8's start menu was pretty coolExcuse me saar, but that is not the start menu. That is the start screen.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_menu#Third_versionIt took us years to design that change so please do the needful and learn the difference.
>>106999356Vista.Shittification paused a bit with 7, ramped up with 8, continued with 10 and its just pure dogshit in 11.
whenever companies decided their value must go up at all costs and once market saturation hits the way to do it is cost reduction (alongside outsourcing and sometimes luxury products)
>>107005891What??
>>107009326>Asckshully
