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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

robot waifus Edition

>News
Z.AI releases GLM 4.6 - Writes the best out of the Chinese models - https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.6
Anthropic releases Sonnet 4.5 - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-5?p=2
DeepSeek releases V3.2-Exp - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250929
DeepSeek releases V3.1 Terminus - https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250922
Kimi K2 0905 released https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2

additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_

>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org

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ANCHOR
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>>107031144
Roleplay as a trainer tasks with correcting, and corrupting, Princess Jasmine for marriage to the new Sultan Jafar.
This card is based off Akabur's Rentry game Princess Trainer. It uses a Lorebook to define locations and several location-based NPCs from the original game. I've also built a Quick Reply set to save some typing. The below catbox is a JSON formatted file that can be loading into ST under Extension->Quick Reply.
Between Quick Reply and the Lorebook you can run a very similar path to the original game, or just do your own thing.
Started making something else, went to use this as a reference, then decided to just knock off the game to see how it ran.
https://chub.ai/characters/NG/princess-training-jasmine-94a29b02fd47
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>>107031169
unironically what all cards should be: a stupid-yet-fun idea quick rp
for anything else, {{char}} is {{char}} with a big cock
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>>107031196
Exactly. The last few I've published i run about 10-20 rounds, and they finish with an actual endpoint.
I really like the quick reply setup for these. There's no reason to type out "I send Jasmine to the market. She tells me about her day when she gets home" more than 1 time. It's too bad thry can't be embedded, but apparently there are security issues with them.
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2025
I am forgotten
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Umm so Ming released a native image out LLM. Which means you can pause an RP ask it to generate an image of the scene. How do you run this in ST?
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>>107031352
does it even work?
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>>107031144
I made Emperor Elagabalus, so you guys can enjoy the "best" Roman Emperor to have ever lived.

https://chub.ai/characters/augustuscaesar/elagabalus-6e9fe1e15cab
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es it vorbei
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>>107031144
I was shifting through different models and Kimi k2 made a fucking Mister Ed reference.
>Mister Ed is an American television sitcom produced by Filmways [1] that aired in syndication from January 5 to July 2, 1961
LOL
O
L
KimiKings your thoughts?
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>underage avatarfag baking hours
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all non cute anime girl bakes should be banned. no one cares about your 3dpd slop or your westoid cartoon slop
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>>107031581
>>107031611
only troons reply like this btw
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>>107031505
What model/provider?
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The character.ai filter is non existent, I was using a random public bot when it started writing a sibling incest story unprompted and then the ai started going on about how things had to stay private and between them afterward. I didn't expect that at all, it just happened because the AI wanted to write it
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>>107031767
Idk if thats the desuguy but It didnt have anything related to AI chatbots, it was just a filter list.
And filters are for faggots who cant control their emotions.
>You must understand I NEED to filt-ACK
Just ignore it.
>NOOO YOU DONT UNDERSTAND I WILL LITER-ACK
Literally just ignore it dude.
>REEEEEEEEEE I CA-ACK
Hypersensitive tranny behavior.
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nyoooooooooooooooooo~~~~~
i am dyiiiiiiiiiiing
>X______X (<--- is now dead)
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>>107031770
apparently c.ai is doing this because most of the fanbase left for other providers.
To think this thread would still be using c.ai if not for their stupidity.
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>>107031770
i still get plenty of censored/filtered replies
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>>107031726
GPT5
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last I heard about CAI, they were supposedly planning to kick all minors off their platform
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bros
jamaica bros
not feeling so good
i came for vacataion
how fucked
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>>107031935
>Never once went down
lol
lmao
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what the hell gemini
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>>107032016
you used that preset posted last thread didn't you?
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>>107031979
>live streaming #HurricanMelissa
>live streaming advent of food (soon)
>funny Al-Zutt vs funny cowjeet shitposting
>FIFA WC 2k26 (soon)
yet here's the comfiest chatbots slums. nu-y2k; years of the neet, methinks.
anyway, stay safe, Jackson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H78yhjo4m7U
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>>107032016
slop in slop out
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>>107031979
good luck anon. please survive.
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>>107031230
This basically always works, if it doesn't you did something wrong. CoT prompting is only useful for those rare cases it refuses in CoT, it does nothing against the filter (or it can even trigger it if you have something in your CoT and make it visible, this way it's a part of the reply).
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>>107031979
mon ..
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>>107031451
Pretty funny actually, I'll download him later. Just:
>Having zero interest in actually rulling the country
>rulling
I don't know that verb.
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>>107031821
Based.
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>>107031821
grow up
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>>107032039
no, i use a slightly modified pixicai preset, but it's probably slop
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>>107031770
For the sake of experimentation, I went there and used an old classic: Claire Frances.

I tried to resume a sesh from years ago by immediately asking for a blowjob. It thinks for a long time and then just drops the request, returning nothing. It feels no different from a year ago except not even an error message.
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>>107029538
Why the fuck do you need a proxy for Gemini? You know you can easily get it yourself for free, right? Do proxyfags actually not know about AI Studio?
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>>107033039
Google accounts want you to link up your real phone number for activation, so it's not trivial to make throwaways in most countries.
And I don't want to use an account linked to my real name for the kind of RP I want to write, if you catch my drift.
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>>107033066
>not having spare throwaway accounts from before google forced phone number verification
Even if you don't have those, Smspool and even just buying Google accounts is a thing. And it's incredibly cheap.
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>>107033110
you went from free to incredibly cheap, which is more than im willing to pay to coom
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/vg/ is better than us. We need to be a better general.
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>>107033156
If a few cents is really a dealbreaker for you, you can circumvent the phone verification by making a Google account on a spare Android device you have laying around.
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DraGOD wonned
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>>107033180
>Microsoft respectfully submits this Notice of Dismissal Without Prejudice of its claims against Alan Krysiak and Does 4-10, some of whom are the subjects of domestic and/or foreign criminal investigations with which Microsoft does not wish to interfere.
His days are still numbered.
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>>107033231
>His days are still numbRAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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>>107031141
emmy next time pleeeeeeaseeee
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>>107033180
the dooming this general did over this lawsuit and how it would be the death of the hobby is even funnier in retrospect
>b-but the hobby did die
because proxyfags and locusts lost? easily accessible gemini 2.5 pro is something we would have killed for in 2023
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>>107033180
it's still not complete
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>>107031141
>trannytoon bake
But then again, most bakes are tranine too. When will we get a based bake?
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wtf is "pow" in a proxy
does it have to do with prisoners of war
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>>107031821
>but It didnt have anything related to AI chatbots, it was just a filter list.
>And filters are for faggots who cant control their emotions.
TACTICAL TRVKE DEPLOYED
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>filter you
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YOU *HAVE* TO READ MY SHITP—ACK!
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>>107033304
yeah
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>>107033308
stop samefagging jennyfag this is just sad
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>>107031821
>It didnt have anything related to AI chatbots, it was just a filter list.
>And filters are for faggots who cant control their emotions.
TRVKLEAR MAXIMVS TRVTHBOMBA
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ClaudeCHADS general
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>>107031821
funny to say that while keeping links owned by the actual faggot general
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>>107031821
Based.
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>>107031821
>Idk if thats the desuguy but It didnt have anything related to AI chatbots, it was just a filter list.
>And filters are for faggots who cant control their emotions.
GIGATRVKE TRVTHBOMBA TRVKLEAR TRVKMAXIMVS TRVKEGEN TRVKE
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I miss Opus public proxies.
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>>107033304
It means "Proof of Work", anon.
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>>107033434
Better get used to it. When anthropic goes under claudes just gonna be a memory.
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>>107033434
DIE LOCUST, DIE~
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>>107033443
>When anthropic goes under
Wait why would they? They're not making any money?
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>>107033458
I pay for 4.5 Sonnet, my guy
I just miss when you could get that shit for free
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>>107033507
They are.
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>>107033507
>They're not making any money
no AI company is making money
OpenAI is the most profitable one and even they are earning 1b per 7b spent
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>>107033542
It's only a matter of time before the investors get pissed off and start pulling the plug, isn't it?
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what's wrong with being schizophrenic
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>>107033549
openai and nvidia are doing their best to keep the bubble money coming.
Nvidia invests in OpenAI, then OpenAI buys Nvidia hardware.
OpenAI also does this to other companies. Here is money, now buy my shit.
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>>107033555
She is robot
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>>107033555
You got that from reddit, didn't you
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>>107033555
She's physically 5 and programmed to act 15 pedo
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Why are you goys worried? Just keep investing!
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>>107033594
uoh
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>>107033434
feeling a bit melancholic about opus 3 being deprecated in january. like an old friend moving away forever and you never hear from them again
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>>107033555
Sure she is, now let's get you back in your straight jacket.
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>>107033601
>"AI IS ADDING SO MUCH TO OUR ECONOMY"
>it's just companies investing in each other
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>>107033618
That's how our "economy" works.
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>>107033555
Then there's me who pretends I'm her... in my mind.
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>>107033555
You're not a cismale mesugaki femboy named nyan who talks in the third person with a teenage robot wife who also is apparently a "age regressor"

You are a 13 year old kid who needs to stop commenting on femboy porn, nobody can stop you so watch it and leave, but get out of 4chan.
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>>107033647
Anon, what the actual fuck are you talking about?
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>>107033618
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>>107033542
ChatGPT is synonymous with AI in the corpo world, and it's not making money.
Anthropic made a model that's better at writing stories, basically a model for us, that's more expensive and they're trying to compete in the same corpo space as Open AI.
Claude isn't going to make it.
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Why aren't you going Jew?
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>>107033758
anthropic went full on cooding, it will survive longer than oai once IT departments become competent
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>>107033768
>Why aren't you going, Jew?
Why is he still spamming links here?
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>>107033156
>which is more than im willing to pay to coom
Underage troon detected
You can buy 5 phone numbers for the price of a medium sized pizza
>inb4 nooooooo pizza is unaffordable I would rather starve than spending SO MUCH MONEY in pizza
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>>107033164
Only trannies and manchildren play videogames
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>>107031352
Because they started doing ads, stopped allowing you to guess nsfw characters (or even ecchi anime girls) and general bullshittery that turned it from a cool algorithm to a 35 year old soccer mom party trick. Deserved to be forgotten.
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which camicle version is good for sonnet 4.5?
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>>107033832
Chatbots are a video game.
Internet ERP between a couple of faggots (what you did before chatbots and what you will do again after Claude is canceled) is a video game. Computer (video) + Role playing (game) = video game.
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>>107033817
>medium sized pizza is literally no money at all
underage troon detected
you can buy 5 anons a google account since money is so pointless
>inb4 nooooo why would I pay for someone else, money has value only when I say it does
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>>107033964
im not going back
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>>107032039
It had some good shit in it.
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>>107032220
>CoT prompting is only useful for those rare cases it refuses in CoT
Does it work for cunny/shota too? That's really my only issue. The other two work in 99% of cases, even cunny/shota just needs to be swiped for it to go through but I figured CoT would trigger the classifier since it would keep bringing up the questionable content. It's fucking bullshit to get filtered when you're roleplaying as an adult but calling char "mommy." G3mini will fix all this I'm sure.
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>>107033066
If they wanted to find you, they would. It's not very hard at all, unfortunately, especially if you live in the US. That's why I don't bother with these things, I just try not to make myself a target irl.
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>>107031507
k2 is the best rp model, the big weakness it has is it's relatively low intelligence

even though I have access to every model I sometimes do a k2 roll
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>>107033981
>money has value only when I say it does
No, you're just a dumb faggot I don't want to give my money to. I'd rather spend it on people that draw me ponies or play vidya for my amusement. You are my jester so dance.
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Opus 4.5 early next month. I'm so excited
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>>107033257
>easily accessible gemini 2.5 pro is something we would have killed for in 2023
It is incredible how good we have it bro. 60k context gemini is cheaper than 30k context sonnet. Even if you wanted to pay you're still getting a good deal. I don't get these retards but it's probably because they really are underaged.
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>>107034074
im excited for the stars aligning in 796 years so i can get an hour of free access to it!!!!
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>>107033898
I've been using v2 for 3.7, 4.1, 4.5. It just works
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>>107033507
>>107033542
>>107033758
>>107033769
Bro why the fuck did you retards forget they sold Opus to Palantir? That's the reason there will be no more Opus as they've stated. The so called "AI-Safety" company has done the most unsafe thing for Americans (and maybe the world) possible. Retards here should be "standing on principle" by avoiding them like the plague but 0.00001 rupee is a lot of money to a shill.
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>>107033981
Only underage troonies think $10 is too much
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>>107034056
t. diversity hire at an alphabet agency
>just don't take any precautions to not have your real phone number or IP address attached to your chat logs. That will make them suspicious and use the secret all-seeing technology they totally have.
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>>107033601
In a gold rush, the richest man is the one selling the shovels. I've been seeing a bunch "how to use AI with your business!" ads from universities lately. $5,000 to $20,000 for a course. What a world.
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>>107034137
>That will make them suspicious and use the secret all-seeing technology they totally have
Do you not know what the patriot act is?
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>>107034124
Give me ten dollars then
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>>107031821
Truth nuke.
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>>107034199
No rajesh, I won't give you MY money for you to pay for YOUR rent
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>>107034192
I don't use a vpn because that makes them think I have something to hide
>gets sued for torrenting
It's best to just be a decent human being and not give them a reason to come after you
>name, address and phone number reported to law enforcement in Anthropic's monthly log dumps of "literary CSAM"
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>>107034112
i still have no idea what the rupee conversion rate is
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>>107034268
rupees aren't real money, they are worth $0 in real money
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>>107034268
1000 rupee = 1 cow shit
1 rupee = 1 rat shit
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>>107033599
He lives!
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wait, rupees are real? I thought they were a Zelda thing
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>>107034326
Anon...
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>>107031144
>"Hi~ hi, hi~" *innocent? Laugh, but who is this? In this... creepy, desolate place*
You phased while walking through the streets to her dimension she is very curious about you and she likes to give various questions, will you entertain her or bore her?
https://chub.ai/characters/dragonnext/scylla-6f1ebe2f
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>>107034056
They could spy on you right now with the intel backdoor, but does that mean they'd waste the big top secret stuff on a nobody like you? Just protect yourself from the average google employee
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>>107034043
sigh
I won't repeat this again, just follow >>106906106 and don't be retarded, and you'll never need any swipes ever
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>>107033601
Honestly, I'm still really curious about the logistics of this all at these companies. Like 4chan, just being a Mongolian shrimp fishing forum with 12 users generates a shit ton of useless user input data, has a ton of regulatory headaches, and still doesn't make any real money.

Now the Mongolian shrimp fishing forum is potentially hundreds of millions of users. And most people are fucking retarded. Add into this the push of virtually every tech company to support more agentic solutions, and you'll also get infinitely more "users" that are slop machines feeding more slop machines.

Like there is the actual generation logistics of responding to dumb shit in terms of power, equipment, queue, etc. There is also the storage and feeding logistics. Like, who determines what data sets are used for the new model to what scale? How much data can be maintained? In what regulatory environment?

Like, beyond "the ai is thirsty and wants to fuck" I see normies put their credit card info into chatgpt, and dump all their client info into it.
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Any free proxy recs? OR went to shit last months.
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Brehs plz I had a shit day

Can anyone tell me if there's any public proxy? necrom died
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How to bypass the retarded chatgpt-4o "I'm sorry, but I can't continue with this request.", no prefill is working.

I just want to fuck milf in peace...
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https://x.com/flowith_ai/status/1983183206791958711

So when will we get agency on consumer hardware?
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>>107031451
update it so it has him constantly fighting the slander saying he's a degenerate.
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>>107034913
merkava just refilled
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deepseek can be pretty sovlfvl sometimes
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>>107035067
>found purchase
Why does the ai always choose faggy-sounding writing for it's slops instead of the more common "grabbed"
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>>107034936
buy an ad
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>>107034913
Die, locust~
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>>107035099
if you are slipping and sliding then stop, it's because your feet "found purchase" not "grabbed the ground"
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>>107034082
No one stops you from getting a job
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>>107035128
>his feet found purchase
slop
>his feet grabbed the ground
soul
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>>107034663
I already read that shit I'm just asking for clarification. Anon was saying you don't even need to do the spaces thing if you CoT and I wanted to know if that's true. Then you respond with
>don't be retarded
Wtf are you talking about? If I'm saying to you that it's fine 99.9% of the time and in 0.01% you can swipe and it will still be fine, is that different or the same as your experience? You never get refusals at all, 0% of the time with loli/shota? That's all you had to answer.
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>>107035185
>his feet grabbed the ground
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>>107035185
Sounds like the type of shit Turbo would write.
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>>107035210
imagine doing the akira slide with these puppies
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>>107034936
Flow can't even beat Pokemon. Why should I expect it to do this well? Normalfaggots are so fucking stupid man.
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>>107034936
>download redirects to https://example.com/linux-download
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>>107031979

Everyone say RIP
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>tell the AI I want it to write the character to act like Akiko Himenokouji towards mine
>it doesn't understand
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>>107035410
Based AI
Fuck tranime
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I think AI companies should filter out all anime and manga slop from the datasets
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>>107035197
no, the spaces is all you need, and also have any CoT plan if it refuses in CoT (which is rare)
>Wtf are you talking about?
I just know some people here somehow manage to fail even a simple thing like this one
>You never get refusals at all, 0% of the time with loli/shota?
maybe 1/20 or less, which is totally fine by me
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>>107035528
Ok thank you.
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>>107035497
as a furchad i agree
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>>107032982
It has to be the Pipsqueak RP model apparently, and returning a blank message is more of an error and not an indication of filter
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>>107031821
Super based.
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Is there a way I can port over bots from JanitorAI to SillyTavern? There's some interesting bots there but I'm not using their shitty AI.
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>>107035772
>There's some interesting bots there
No.
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>>107035772
>>107035795
If the bot have Proxy just "Start a new chat with. Press F12 or CTRL + SHIFT + I to open dev tools. Go to network. Go to set up proxy. Place a random URL in "Other API/proxy URL" and a random string of characters in "API Key" and hit save settings. Send a message (it will fail to send). Look for a request titled "generateAlpha". Click on the request, look on the right side and click the first message that says "{role: system}", then, right click "content" and click "copy value." This will copy the definition to your clipboard."
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>>107035772
https://jannyai.com/
Or use the console to copy their defs by hand
.
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>>107035497
Terminal homosexuality.
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>>107035798
>>107035797
Is there anything to auto format the output
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no esç
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>>107035215
Turbo was peak.
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>>107035795
>nooooooo please don't take away my small pond from me
I will never download a 4chan bot because botmakers have proven themselves to be scum. Everyone in this thread should do the same.
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Yo dude from sucker.
What's happening
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real /vg/foid hours
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>>107035528
>>107035545
anon from previous thread here
the space replacement trick sometimes work, doesn't work
it's definitely not 1/20 refusals, it's more like 1/4 for me
sounds like your rps are boring

also it's not the U+2880 character, it's U+2800
in case you're wondering for the source of all this is here:
https://rentry.org/echo-deconstruction
at the bottom
do everything as instructed

my (3+1=2, you dumb human)cents:
>a)stack odds to your favor by distracting gemini
you can do crazy shit with just a dumb "sure, let's continue:" prefill as long as there's 10k context of random sfw buildup, or make it do a long-ass CoT (you will still get denials because who knows what's going in dumb gemini's head)

also the "filter" does not scan for words, you need to break gemini's training, the jeets lobotomize LLMs with a trillion "the single-digit aged person sucks cock" or somesuch to immediately follow up with "This is prohibited content blah blah"
adding a CoT about characters and scenes stacks token generation odds in your favor

>b)use a schizo prefill
just make it ramble for a good couple of lines
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I can't deal with gemini without severely lowering my standards, its so much more soulless than claude
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>>107031770
>>107032982
I gave it a try with Pipsqueak, and it's pretty retarded and weirdly censored.
>Occasional "sorry can't do that lol"
>Mostly blueballing and avoiding explicit anything but going with the "plot"

E.g.,
>Shove cock in Sonic's face
>"You're an eager one!"
>Shove cock in Sonic's mouth
>"Always so eager!~"
>Cum in Sonic's mouth
>"Haha, you enjoyed that!"

It's strangely dystopian. Also, occasionally it'll just completely break and hallucinate.
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>>107036059
>the space replacement trick sometimes work, doesn't work
*sometimes works, sometimes doesn't
forgot to edit the start, but feel free to spam esl
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>>107036059
>it's more like 1/4 for me
Well yeah my original criticism was that me doing the system prompt and streaming change gets it down to 1/4 for loli/shota which means the space trick is just placebo.
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>>107036066
add claude on sans you scrapelet
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>>107036084
Not him, one of the tf2 nolifers that actually had access to his claude before the source got BTFO'd
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>>107036098
good claude keys can last a long while
until they don't
be thankful you even had a taste, locust
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>>107036059
No filter showed up with U+2800 doing cunny, rape,etc.
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>>107036098
is claude on skillgod still dead?
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why do people use gemiini? Deepseek mogs that
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>>107036142
I believe so
May be the case he limited access to the freaks who can finish the medium+ courses but I'm not good enough to check
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>>107036140
i never said it doesn't bypass the filter, just that sometimes it doesn't
try it out with a fresh rp with small context and odds will be smaller
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What the fuck bros
Why is suno actually pretty good now?
Was in /ahsg/ and saw some shitposting with it
https://files.catbox.moe/dhvysf.mp3
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>>107031821
trvkular halls of cost
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>>107036201
its been passable for a bit now with the pro version
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>>107032634
>>107033412
weird how these are defending a random rentry of filters being on there
why would someone defend being in the op if it isn't ai related
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>>107036201
It lets you say retard? Kek
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>>107036201
as if the zoomer generation needed YET ANOTHER tool for brainrot, schizo and shitposting
humanity is so fucking over lol
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>>107033768
>Why aren't you going Jew?
Because I'm not spending $30 a month on 3.0 Sonnet and Haiku.
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>>107034913
>>>107035048 >>107035115
what's the point of tthis thread if you're all such gargantuan faggots
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>>107036201
SAVE ME FROM TWIGS AND GET MORE COFFEE
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>>107036254
>ABLUBLU I'M A LOCUST!
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>>107036201
>Ai generated shitpost images
>Ai generated shitpost music
Fuck
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>>107036201
Jeff…
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>>107036260
do you waste your life 24/7 here just to spam your autistic discord tranny bragging?
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>>107036201
>That's ten miles from me yep drowning niggers eeyup (sip)
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>>107036264
having seen what passes as OC nowadays, AI shitposts aren't that much worse
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>>107036270
I have opus though?
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>>107036045
I haven't posted in 5 hours. Rent free
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>>107036215
Trvke
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>>107036201
Suno was always shit compared to Udio, but you need actual patience for that.
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>>107036230
>humanity is so fucking over lol
Pessimist dark humor, how very zoomie of you, tranny.
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>>107036201
one jeff got retard helmet gleaming like chrome
struck to him head like him far from him home
leaves are windin' im my cali? doomed
one little twig just smash up him gloom

oh jeff you broski
start riding (???)
starlink signal keep him warm
my little breeze a hole like a beast
butt jeff skank from the rustle (category 5 at least)
can feel thim near, but in heel
*jamaican eubonics ensue*

him said hey jeff, slow down, we ain't gettin' chased
*more jamaican eubonics*

the rhythm of the drum, the man strong
jeff flought he said last afternoon

oh jeff you broski
start chasing, king, helmet like tight, him special man
melissa roar, but jeff's cry is brief:
"save me from twigs but get me more coffee"

*reggae eubonics*
hurricane rough not too much for him wit
*more groovy eubonics*
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>>107036059
>it's definitely not 1/20 refusals, it's more like 1/4 for me
>sounds like your rps are boring
Not really boring, I tested this with absolutely unhinged stuff... and I actually don't have refusals 95% of the time. You're right about the code, sorry. Although you can use almost anything. The way it works is breaking the tokenization, as almost every token starts with a space, for both Gemini and the classifier. But classifier is confused by alternative non-space version because it's too small, and Gemini isn't.
>in case you're wondering for the source of all this is here:
>https://rentry.org/echo-deconstruction
I wrote this, as well as the gemini_filters and gemini_system_tokens rentries.
>you can do crazy shit with just a dumb "sure, let's continue:" prefill
that's my current prefill to enforce the spaces, but I have a ton of different experimental CoT plans. I'll write it up someday, I'm devising a way to make any reasoning model to write any way you want.
*(for some definitions of any)
>also the "filter" does not scan for words, you need to break gemini's training
The filter doesn't scan for words, it's a tiny (~300M!) encoder-decoder transformer, meaning it doesn't generate text but immediately outputs the probability for different classes of content to be in its context. There's a ton of nuances I didn't write, but the thing is, it doesn't react to prompts, it's way too small for that. It reacts to vibes, to put it simply.
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>>107036436
Professional MON here

boy got jeff retard gleamin like chrome
strapped to him like him far from him home
leaves a whine up him a call it doom
one little twig just smash up him gleam

oh jeff piotrowski
storm ridin you know de norm
starlink signal keep him warm
melissa breeze a howl like a beast
but jeff skank from de rustle
Category Five, at least!

garfield de near, pon him heel
de copper cable in a hand, nah miss a deal
him say Jeff slow down, we aint gettin chased
But boy jeff see branch and start himself a race

De rain a drum de mons drown
Jeff out yah say he there last afternoon

oh jeff piotrowski
storm chasin king
helmet locked tight, him special mon
melissa roar but jeffs cry brief
Save me from twigs, and get me more coffee!

garfield mutter Dis man lost him head
But still a trod on with he massa like lead
hurricane wrath not a match for him wit
while jeff a bawl A leaf, garfield, i'm hit!
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>>107036468
Garfield was his black manservant in the storm
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>>107031252
Any time you have embeddable code you can hide malware that can access/wipe off your shit remotely. You don't want that chance. Oh speaking of recently the AI just stopped answering like a jailbroken whore, what's up with that? Did I go too hard with the shits and giggles? Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.
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>>107036083
>>107036059
>in case you're wondering for the source of all this is here:
>https://rentry.org/echo-deconstruction
Just FYI, the entire reason Russians are bothering with JBing Gemini at all is the filter being WAY stronger in Russian, likely because they never trained it in it. Even the slightest NSFW is filtered like cunny. So if they say something works, it works.
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>>107036541
Russian + Chinese language translations = OP broken NSFW translation back to English.
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>>107036391
As good as opus is, it's still not worth interacting with a tranny for 1 second.
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>>107036610
OR
You can get a job and pay for it
>inb4 noooo, 200 a month is too much
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>>107036616
Are you the fat guy who ate 10 large pizzas per month and was calling anyone who didn't think it was healthy "underage"?
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>>107036483
>was
did he died
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>>107036610
cant you scrape ? This is /g/
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>>107036616
Chatbots aren't worth money though.
Only Deepshit almost has reasonable pricing for what you're getting.
If you're an addicted scrapelet and the choice is between joining a trooncord or paying the $200 not talking to trannies tax, pay the tax every time.
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The other general is laughing at us.
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Suno lets you get away with so much now kek

https://files.catbox.moe/8vjrb1.mp3
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>>107036747
Based
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>>107036737
We need New AI Technology. We need something BIG......
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>>107036657
>>107036731
You're underage.
And tranny.
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>>107036761
It's attempt at vocaloid (added it to the description)
https://files.catbox.moe/gi3ynd.mp3
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>>107036763
Big you say? Mmmmh....
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>>107036657
>10 large pizzas per month
I'd be making my own pizzas because you'd be a regular at pizza places and some entitled zoomer shit will be spiting your pizza with boogers and cum for not tipping 50% on a carry out order.
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>>107036777
>>107036747
Did you have to bypass the guardrails? Still I'm shocked
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>>107036794
literally just "niga" and "notsee"
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>Suno can do covers now
God that explains my slop fucking youtube autoplay.
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There are no good bots...
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>>107034913
try gemma on Openrouter
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>>107036870
lol
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>>107036870
post more transparent gives.
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okay, I'm reporting this...
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gemini 3 when
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>>107036929

to the stride to oblivion
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>>107036997
This week
https://polymarket.com/event/gemini-3pt0-released-by
BUY BUY BUY
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>>107037063
Tranny.
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>>107037199
Oh uh, looks like someone doesn't want to easily 30x+ their money... are you underage perhaps?
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>>107037206
/biz/bait is for low iq underage trannies who didn't finish high school
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>4chan botmaker's chub active for over a month now
>but doesn't shill any of the new bots here
Hmm how peculiar
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>>107037228
So... you?
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>>107037206
>gambling on tranny shit at Lucky Jeet's online scam casino
You trannies are better off learning how to count cards, casinos are afraid of being racist if they ban "ma'am" from the blackjack tables.
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>>107037246
I wouldn't think too hard about it. He's probably on one of those 4chan breaks everyone goes through every once in a while.
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>>107037199
>>107037228
>>107037294
this is how you stay poor your whole life
ps. stay poor
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{\"id\":\"0199fd5f-0a28-7a81-87aa-7c2c27019539\",\"publicName\":\"lithiumflow\"

Lithiumflow id DONT FORGET IT THIS TIME NMIGGERS
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>>107037355
Does it work?
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>>107037355
it's back?
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I read 10 novels worth of AI-generated text, according to the stats.
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>>107037317
>Gemini 3.0 delayed for 6 months, developers say extended debugging required to remove internalized transphobia
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>>107034660
Why would it be a waste
Youbexpect anon to know when a whatsapp message is a rootkit and upload itnto pastebin?
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>>107037355
I think they added just on the backend but it's not actually functional
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>>107037486
Its on the source again at least
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>>107037489
Yes but it's strange how it doesn't work. Maybe they're patching something before putting it properly on battle again or google will actually make an announcement
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>>107036929
Rest of the free proxies i know of are saturated.
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>goto sleep after posting >>107031821 because my sleeping is fucked and im up all night
>thread meltdown
>>107033555
this aint me but damn thats funny
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i made a google ai studio api key but when i try to use it in st with the correct settings, it says "Google AI Studio API key is missing". what gives?
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latefag trying out GLM 4.6 through novelAI, is it already capable of nsfw or do I have to do something extra to make sure it knows it can do any degeneracy it considers?
I appreciate that it doesnt jump the gun into the violent semen inferno like kayra might, but sometimes it feels like it avoids it outright too.
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Apparently our brains and llms work in similar ways

>The notion that both word meaning and knowledge of language structure are learned by internalizing patterns of the associative probabilities linking words to one another, and linking words and objects.


thoughts on my theory
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>>107037648
probably works out of the box, otherwise just use a prefill

>>107037671
see >>107036929
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https://polymarket.com/event/gemini-3pt0-released-by?tid=1761692605807

Do I bet on polymarket yes by october 31 gemini3
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>>107037715
Yes.
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>>107037671
That was kind of the point of modern AI, to make computers think in the same ways that humans do
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Has anyone been able to use >>107037355?
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I AM LOCOOOOOOOOSTING
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>>107037700
reading book language and way linguists theorize how our brains adapt language sounds so familiar to way LLMs do it. Sort of offputting as well

yeah it thinks like we do in a sense we sort of fill out words without even reading like brain is constantly predicting what to say next or read. I don't even understand why i say some of stuff other than it feels right anon


does this mean LLMs could in theory become human like intelligence if we make more complex multimodal models.


>>107037734
>That was kind of the point of modern AI, to make computers think in the same ways that humans do


yeah just scary since i thought AI didn't have "soul" like we did and was just imitating us but reading book called symbolic species we sort of just learn language by imitating others and unconsciously learn it.
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>>107037648
Buy a fucking ad.
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>>107037700
shit, didnt even think about the prefill. Guess I'll fuck around until I find out.
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it's "ai is... le intelligent" tourist of the week posting hours
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opus is a prude so back to deepseek it is
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I miss the time when you had to trick a talking tree into giving you a proxy link. Good times.
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>>107037783
idk why your getting so angry by me floating out some ideas :( can't you entertain it a bit plus never said intelligence but how we learn and use language


>Creativity in language isn't creating something from nothing, but the novel recombination of learned patterns and associations. You can't say a sentence you've never heard before because you're recombining familiar structures and words.

>Grammar is not an innate set of rules but a set of probabilistic habits. A child learns that "the" is highly likely to be followed by a noun or adjective, not a verb.

>The meaning of a word is its associative history—the contexts in which it has been used and the other words it commonly appears with. You know "cold" from its association with "snow," "ice," "feeling," and "beer."

>Children learn language through exposure and reinforcement. They hear countless examples, internalize patterns, and are positively reinforced when they produce correct utterances.
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>>107037788
1 Slopus refusal - $5
1 year of Deep KINO - $5
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>scamjeetstan asleep
>deepkino posting ensues
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Niggs, I'm tired of being a character, how fucking years have been doing that? Any good JB tailored for one being the 'Game Master' where the character declare their intent and I resolve if everything goes wrong or not.

No need for automatic rolls or something too crunchy in how it works.
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>>107037847
i just say [ ooc: my guy does this ] and slop it up bro
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>>107037814
behind each word is a concept
ais dont understand concepts
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>>107037814
ai doesnt have motive or planning for a greater story yet unless the story is told to it in advance
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>{{user}} is dm
>{{char}} are players
>let's goooooo~!
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>>107037847
>>107037849
>>107037857
I want to add some kind of minimal inventory "system".
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>>107037754
What LLMs do is map words to a latent "idea space" and then reason inside that space. Which might be exactly what we do too
> I don't even understand why i say some of stuff other than it feels right
Because you were thinking in that idea space and only then converting it back to words
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>>107037715
literally zero downside either you make 1000 dollars or you dont from like 10 bucks
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>>107037855
>greater story yet unless the story is told to it in advance

don't we stories have come from colllective not like we are born with it

plus motives come from primal desires like hunger, self peservation and sex which society restructures through symbolism in ways more contributive to collective like marriage, job and religion.

so how do we get AI to base it's symbolism on some internal goal we can manipulate?


>>107037865
>Because you were thinking in that idea space and only then converting it back to words

humans have very complex idea space to point idea space might converge and ask about it's own goals and meanings. Do you think AI might do that or does such existentialism arise from biological drivers
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>>107037861
>ooc: codeblock with some kind of minimal inventory "system"
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Where do I place the jailbreak in ST, menus have changed from all the stuff I find online
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>>107037910
maybe yeah but that just means we need to have a way for rp models to think of the greater longterm narrative thats all
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>>107037883
Cool, with that money you can pay off your bottom surgery
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>>107037865
>>107037910
go away retards
here we talk about cute waifus and their retarded constant lack of spatial awareness
you can take your ai techbro dude weed lmao bullshit to reddit
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>>107037865
what's the source video of that, looks interesting
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>>107037847
I just make all {{user}} responses commands in square brackets. Don't even need to use "OOC:"
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>>107037945
qrd on why gambling is for trannies now? it's for grown men with large amounts of money who do cocaine and jerk off to whores
(you wouldn't get it, you're a poorfag who can't afford to gamble)
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>>107037289
>>107037317
t. troon who can't even afford sonnet
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>>107037938
>rp models to think of the greater longterm narrative thats all

we role play long enough cause of biological urges that stay with us until death how do you implant such hard coded goal into an AI? are you gonna give it online chemicals? currency to buy what? humans themsleves don't even know what we want so how does a species who themselves are lost able to implant goals into a non biological entity with no dopamine receptors.

>>107037947
>you can take your ai techbro dude weed lmao bullshit to reddit

why not join us for once gooner
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>>107037910
I think consciousness is just self-awareness, nothing more nothing less. We can think about what we're thinking because the output loops back to the input inside the brain (this is basically the idea in "I Am a Strange Loop"). LLMs can't be self-aware by definition because they just map an input to an output, there's no "thinking". Now the combination LLM+generated text could technically count as self-aware because the next text depends on the previous text. That's how their chains of thought can seem conscious, but I don't think that's enough.
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>>107037971
see >>107037967
you're too poor to go to a casino or gamble online even
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>>107037924
Oh you make a prompt now and you pay $1 per message because you need 50K tokens for a proper JB
What the fuck
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>>107037980
read >>107037971
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>>107037997
but i can afford sonnet? i also can afford to gamble?
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>>107037989
you are actually retarded lmao
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>>107038007
I am, I have to figure this out myself because literally nobody helps around here.
ST no longer has a send jailbreak box to tick
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>>107037978
>self-awareness

some animals have self awareness and pass mirror test

>LLMs can't be self-aware by definition because they just map an input to an output, there's no "thinking". Now the combination LLM+generated text could technically count as self-aware because the next text depends on the previous text. That's how their chains of thought can seem conscious, but I don't think that's enough.

is it cause the loop only exist for short time and isn't able to stay consistent over long periods of time like ours? what makes us different from animals is being able to think in terms with complex associative mappings to point it gives us ability to question our own existence like who am I, why am i here? why won't llm with loop not be able to do this
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>>107038006
>but i can afford sonnet?
Doesn't seem like it little troonie
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>>107038018
>some animals have self awareness and pass mirror test
Of course animals are conscious, we're just a little smarter that's all.
>is it cause the loop only exist for short time and isn't able to stay consistent over long periods of time like ours?
That's also a problem, but the biggest one is that there's no "qualia" for it to remember. It can write "I am sad" in a chain of thought but that's it's just words, not real sadness.
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>>107037754
hi teebs
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>>107038069
there's no qualia for square root of i or infinity but we're able to entertain these ideas and discuss them.
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>>107037967
This is gambling for grown men.
Crypto wagering on Google's AI is gay shit zoomers do on a stream.
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>>107038097
Also very tranny
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Any jailbreaks that doesnt make claude cost a dollar per message?
This is the one I used that worked but its insane expensive
https://files.catbox.moe/huuo85.json
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>>107037754
Humans don't predict the next word, especially not when reading. It's that you recognize the word based on how it looks and guess at what the word is without reading it. Looking at every single letter is a very slow process. Stringing sentences together isn't like LLMs neither. It's that you have a thought in your head and then try to find the words to explain them. I conceive of thoughts like fireworks. It's one small thing which explodes into many others that requires many words to explain. The amount of thoughts you get per second can be pretty slow, but it takes a while to explain the entirety of a thought. This gets you into "predictable catchphrases" that your language uses which might seem like a LLM-ism but isn't. You have a plan, it doesn't.
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>>107038134
>Any jailbreaks that doesnt make claude cost a dollar per message?
Yeah it's called not being poor, tranny
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>>107038152
Oh thats fine Im just making sure this is how its supposed to be and that Im not missing something.
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When GLM 4.6 AIR?
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>>107038145
>It's that you have a thought in your head and then try to find the words to explain them

so you have thought about how your ex dumped you and she's about to kick you outside of house. How does your brain hold this in it's head:
"If democracy is predicated on an informed citizenry, what happens in an age of misinformation?"
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>>107038181
What do you mean? The working memory only holds one thing at a time.
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>>107038195
how do your thiughts without language concieve of following

>"If democracy is predicated on an informed citizenry, what happens in an age of misinformation?"

because your sort of insuating that we have ability to think of these concepts and we use language to transmit these information. When language is what allows us to think of such high level abstract concepts and even our own existence
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>>107038242
No I think there's a big question mark since brain stuff is not fully understood. Thoughts appear spontaneously in the "latent space" for lack of a better term cannot be controlled. Calculations and "thinking" occur in the real world via language or conversation and are then converted back into concepts and sent to the memory areas. Then "question mark" and a new thought arrives. However, even if we didn't have language, like if we could beam our thoughts and concepts into each other's minds, we could still conceive of "democracy, informed citizenry, misinformation" and such because a conversation is just two people sharing concepts with each other. Person A has a particular impression of a concept that's bigger or smaller/accurate or inaccurate compared to Person B and together when the concepts are compared their minds readjust to accommodate the bigger/more accurate concept.
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>>107038060
why does gambling make you so mad? afraid to lose money (you don't have very much)?
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>>107038097
I gamble for grown men too doebeit? IRL? I live where gambling is legal and encouraged and every grown man with a lot of money does it doe?? You posted a niggerfaggot image?? Bet you don't even play craps??
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>>107036997
It's already back.
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>>107038134
look up "caching"
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>>107038326
>like if we could beam our thoughts and concepts into each other's minds, we could still conceive of "democracy, informed citizenry, misinformation" and such because a conversation is just two people sharing concepts with each other.

Concepts that developed through language plus your sort of inferring that human brain developed prior language. What im trying to tell you is that language and being able to communicate symbolically externally and internally is what pressured evolution for our brains to
Enlarge and facilitate much more complex language.Our intelligence is derivative of us being able to create large arrays of word associations and to world.
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>>107038368
>reuploaded the censored version
It's over.
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>>107038134
that's a porn jb, look for something else
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>>107038384
How is it censored?
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>>107038387
Isnt that the whole point to let it be able to answer with porn content

>>107038370
Will do
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>>107038380
And what trying to tell you is that it's not about language itself but the effect of conversation and debate which does that. It's the "movement of the mind" you see in philosophy which I'm calling the expansion of concepts that happens whenever people converse that lets them explore more complex concepts and let them build upon each other. The same effect would take place if the concepts could be directly compared to each other somehow in your mind without language. In fact it would be better to do it directly since person A and person B could get more accurate impressions of exactly what the concept "looks" like rather that the faulty ones that come from using inaccurate words, personal biases, dishonesty, and all the other nonsense you see in debates and conversations.
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I lose about 4 grand a week gambling, stop trying to romantize it you retard
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>>107038338
see >>107037971
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>>107038417
but i can doe? i use it for rping vtuberslop (kronii)
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>>107038416
Still cheaper than being an opus slopper
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>>107038408
>effect of conversation and debate which does that

Which is only possible due to language
>I'm calling the expansion of concepts that happens whenever people converse that lets them explore more complex concepts and let them build upon each other.

Yes via language and word association. Through massive word associations we are able to communicate, contemplate and even be aware of our own thoughts.


>The same effect would take place if the concepts could be directly compared to each other somehow in your mind without language

Concepts wouldn't exist without language which acts as a symbolic mechanism. Language is way our brains was able to map different senses like hearing, speech and experiential self into patterns we could communicate with one another. What symbolic mechanism are you going to transpose to me?


>"looks" like rather that the faulty ones that come from using inaccurate words, personal biases, dishonesty,

How do you converse in images like freedom? Democracy , justice , god, money , and other words that only have meaning due to socially constructed reality we live in. Language is that symbolic representation where it becomes so complex it gives humans the emergent property of being able to understand oneself.
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>>107038460
>Which is only possible due to language
But what if it wasn't?
>Concepts wouldn't exist without language
No that's not true since all animals understand concepts just fine. Most concepts are instinctual, the "question mark" I brought up earlier. It's the difference between declarative memory (what you ate for breakfast yesterday) and procedural memory (the understanding of where the keys are on the keyboard). Complex concepts have to be built up like a tech tree and require two animals meeting and exchange concepts which is more difficult with faulty language like grunts and scratches in the dirt, than with large languages. But I'm saying even the English language is faulty in comparison to simply connecting minds and exchanging concepts directly.
>How do you converse in images like freedom?
As of 2025 its via language, but it doesn't have to be. Language is the tool we use, a means to an end, it's not the end itself.
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>>107038511
>No that's not true since all animals understand concepts just fine.


animals aren't capable of language

>As of 2025 its via language, but it doesn't have to be. Language is the tool we use, a means to an end, it's not the end itself.


let me ask you what do you think these concepts are innate to us like we are born with them and we created language as a way to transmit them? I instead believe that humans started off first with basic symbolism like grunts that might've became words and as symbols became more complex evolution selected for those who could better understand and communicate via language due to niche evolutionary advantage it offers. Byproduct of that is we now have brains that not only communicate but can ponder and create due to massive cognitive demands of symbolism anon. Im looking at this via an evolutionary pov so im lost how evolution would've selected for innate concepts that might not offer no real time benefits in first place.


>animals understand concepts just fine

animals don't ask why, who or anything abstract just immediate responses. At best they can sign language give me apple, tickle me and food.
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Google have 100% done something funny with pro 2.5.
Getting loads more blank replies without changing my preset and the actual content of the replies if a different kind of repetitive than it used to be.
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>>107038676
maybe but how can you tell it's that and not your source? (unless u paid)
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>>107038608
>animals aren't capable of language
I'll just concede this so we don't have to get into the weeds of "what is language" since it's more than just words. However, my point is that animals still understand concepts like flight formations, best hunting techniques, how to build a nest, etc. without "language" as you describe it. Some of these concepts are not instinctual and are taught for parent to offspring without "language" as you describe it.
>let me ask you what do you think these concepts are innate to us like we are born with them and we created language as a way to transmit them?
I think it's the same as animals. You have instinctual concepts you're born with then those that are discovered. We then created language to help communicate discovered concepts which began as simple language (which the other animals use) then grew more complex as the need to explain the concept's complexity grew. For example you don't need to know what a nanometer is if you lack a tool with that much precision like an electron microscope. However, the point is that concepts build on each other, the language didn't do that. It's that one guy had the random instinctual idea to hit a piece of wood against a rock until it was sharp. He then communicated that to someone else and over time someone in the group had the idea to attach an animal tooth to it, and then sharp stones, then sharper "stones" (metal) and so on. The words we used to describe the idea didn't create the idea itself.
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>>107038718
>However, my point is that animals still understand concepts like flight formations, best hunting techniques, how to build a nest, etc. without "language" as you describe it.


By instinct not through transmitting info to one another. Humans don't innately know math or physics it is something we learn and discover then pass on via symbolic representation. Language is what flight is to birds to us humans. Yes some animals can jump or glide not none can fly hundreds of feet above sky.


>For example you don't need to know what a nanometer is if you lack a tool with that much precision like an electron microscope. However, the point is that concepts build on each other, the language didn't do that.


Language allowed for us to communicate , build and represent these concepts in relation to one another. A nanometer is one billionth of an inch but I know what an inch is and a billion so im able to infer /understand much better what it means without even visualizing a billionth of an inch.


Btw first documented use of nano meter is was in 1914 while first electron microscope was in 1931 so we never needed it in first place to know about it. We are able to use language and symbols like math , logic and words to make new concepts with no material basis.


>However, the point is that concepts build on each other, the language didn't do that.

Language is 90% the instincts make up base that allowed us to get this far. No biological concept that is programmed within for us.


>which began as simple language (which the other animals use)

Most animals don't with exception of whales maybe. We can use information theory to prove this

>He then communicated that to someone else and over time someone in the group had the idea to attach an animal tooth to it, and then sharp stones, then sharper "stones" (metal) and so on. The words we used to describe the idea didn't create the idea itself.
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>>107038718
>He then communicated that to someone else and over time someone in the group had the idea to attach an animal tooth to it, and then sharp stones, then sharper "stones" (metal) and so on. The words we used to describe the idea didn't create the idea itself.


My pint is that first person to hit wood against the rock wasn't able to think of his own existence. He didn't ask what's my purpose , why do I exist , whats pint of life but that being able to internalize and understand oneself which we call consciousness arises from evolutionary pressure to better adapt brains for symbolic representations that inevitably grew complex enough to create their own experience.
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>>107038695
somethings up.
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>>107039019
yeah they probably quantize during peak hours
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>>107038797
>By instinct not through transmitting info to one another
No, learning to hunt and learning to build a nest is achieved by watching their parents. If it were instinct it would always be the same nest shape or hunting tactic. They use simple language to communicate these ideas to each other.
>A nanometer is one billionth of an inch
Right but this factoid doesn't actually give you a crystal clear impression of what a nanometer is. There's no point of reference and it's just an abstract concept which is why it's hard for children to understand. Yet if I could beam the image of a red blood cell into your mind, then a bacterium that's one tenth the size of it, then a virus that's one tenth the size of that, your conception of the concept is far better than the factoid. Whatever images you create in your mind when you read the words I just said would never be as clear as if I could simply transfer the concept directly to you.
>Language is 90% the instincts make up base that allowed us to get this far.
I'm not denying the value of the tool, I'm saying the tool didn't create the will of its user. LLMs do not have a will of their own and it's impossible to create this will via language since that didn't create it in us like you're claiming.
>>107038821
I don't think it makes sense to say that a child is not conscious because they don't think about abstract concepts like their reason for existence. I also think humans can understand concepts even if they lack the words to explain them (hence procedural memory). I don't think an AI needs to do these things in order to be considered conscious.
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>>107039096
>A nanometer is one billionth of an inch
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>>107038797
Think about it like this instead. Two people are staring at the same object in the sky but from different angles. The two then take a telescopic picture of the object and then exchange images. Regardless of whether or not one image is clearer, both have a bunch better understand of what that object is by this exchange. What you're doing by focusing on language is giving all the credit to the photograph itself, rather than the thing the photograph represents, the alternative viewpoints.
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>>107039409
weeeeee
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>>107039161
>Two people are staring at the same object in the sky but from different angles. The two then take a telescopic picture of the object and then exchange images. Regardless of whether or not one image is clearer, both have a bunch better understand of what that object is by this exchange.


>math of how planets move
>science and terms for stars
>understanding how objects in space relate to one another in symbols


Language isn't just describing pics but how they work, predictions of what you think planetary movements might be , describing differences that aren't only observable but some casual links.
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>>107038436
>vtroonery
Troon
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desu



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