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waiting for my thinkpad...

Everybody talks about 2010s era ThinkPads, but those are starting to be fucken old now. How do newer ones (T14 Gen 2 and later) do as far as Linux support and repair are concerned?

>>107083168
from what I've seen they're OK. most people who I've known to make the switch to one have been happy with it.

I've been using a 2019 x390 yoga for a little while with manjaro installed and it works really well.

Unemployed oldheads will tell you nothing beats their librebooted T61 or x201 but if its a machine that you're actually gonna use then i suggest getting something newer.

>>107083648
Libreboot doesn't even support the T61 or X201, perhaps you're thinking of T60 and X200.

>>107083144
what did you purchase, anon

Need a businesslaptop that doesnt cost an arm and a leg

need a nvdia 4080 or at least 5070ti for my work.

Which businessmodells should I look for? I dont want to buy some flashy gaymun

>>107083847
I didn't bother looking up supported devices. my point remains the same. If you want a practical machine you should probably aim for something newer.

>>107083945
bahahahahaha, no you don't need those gpus for your job

>>107083945
with that kind of spec it'll be rough getting something that doesn't look like gaming bs.

if it absolutely has to be in a lenovo laptop then you're best off with one of the new legion gaming laptops.

I've heard the razer productivity laptops are decent but you'll be paying out the ass.

At that spec doing graphics work that heavy on the go is crazy and will kick out insane heat from whatever machine that card is in. If i was doing anything that required that kind of power i'd probably do a desktop for heavy work and a small cheap laptop for general tasks.

I messed around the bios on my x230 and on startup it says "Thinkpad" then shows a windows logo instead of saying "Lenovo" like it used to

>>107084007
running llm with healthcare related data locally (I hate legal) that shits the bed all the time... I have an eGPU but sometimes I need full mobile. No remote servers dont work in some shitholes...

>>107084038
see >>107084049

I looked at the workstations but 4000 eurobongs is heavy...

I thought of maybe trying some of the new AI-CPU related chips? with maybe a low level RTX but honestly I tested a 4070 last week on a i7.13700H and it didnt have enough power from the GPU side.

>>107084042
ya done fucked up unc

>>107084049
quantized LLMs with vector DB access outperform even the biggest MoE models
just with good enough ReAct prompt and few MCP servers you could run LLM needed for your tasks

git gud, if you actually need heavy GPUs use Vast.ai

>>107083966
I daily drive a Libreboot X200 without any issues.

>>107084226
Congratulations, i didn't say it was impossible. but daily driving a cpu with half the power of a first generation i3 and no modern IO isn't practical for most people. Especially if those people have actual work to do on the thing.

>>107084068
I thought as much

>>107084331
>a cpu with half the power of a first generation i3
The P8700 is only 7% slower compared to the i3 on the X201.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/975vs742/Intel-Core2-Duo-P8700-vs-Intel-i3-330M
>and no modern IO isn't practical for most people
I've got DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB 2.0, and 3.5mm audio. Anything more than that is bloat.
>Especially if those people have actual work to do on the thing.
I can ssh into my 16 core Xeon workstation.

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>>107078163
>"tlp" or "python3-thinkpad-tools" for Fedora, it appears. Either of them should let you set battery charge thresholds and some other useful Thinkpad related settings.
Thanks, I set it up.
Although something very curious. After I set it up, I still had the busted battery plugged in, and weirdly enough it no longer showed as critical and actually started charging. After I applied the thresholds it stopped charging and is currently stuck at 30%, although removing the charger causes it to show up as -1% on my DE's battery display.
tlp meanwhile shows these stats, I don't know if this means anything specifically.

>>107078163
>>107079763
>Real OEM Lenovo batteries would cost a fortune. Don't believe it's an actual Lenovo battery (or pay a premium for it) just because it has a sticker on it that says so.
>FYI, those "genuine oem" batteries for on ebay are counterfeit, just stick to good name brand
Funny thing is, I got told in this general a few months ago to avoid third party batteries and to straight up get the Lenovo battery, so whoever told me that can go fuck themselves if it's true that the batteries on the market are usually counterfeits. Damn shame.

>>107084524
>only 7% slower compared to the i3 on the x201
so your defense against the allegation that its slow is that it is slower than a 15 year old budget chip that was clocked down to go in a laptop?
i'm not sure if that logic helps your case.

>I've got DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB 2.0, and 3.5mm audio. Anything more than that is bloat
so you have all those ports, they're all more single usage than a normal modern usb-c port with display-port integration and power delivery and somehow you think its less bloated than a modern equivalent?

>I can ssh into my 16 core Xeon workstation
so you admit its not suitable for work, you can just use it to connect to a machine that you can actually do work on...
anon you're using it as a glorified chromebook

>>107085870
>so your defense against the allegation that its slow is that it is slower than a 15 year old budget chip that was clocked down to go in a laptop?
>i'm not sure if that logic helps your case.
You made a claim that was false. The X200 does not have half the power of a first gen i3.
>so you have all those ports, they're all more single usage than a normal modern usb-c port with display-port integration and power delivery and somehow you think its less bloated than a modern equivalent?
You made the claim that the X200 had no modern ports, now you're just moving the goalpost.
>so you admit its not suitable for work, you can just use it to connect to a machine that you can actually do work on...
>anon you're using it as a glorified chromebook
I made no such admission. The point was if I need more power (which 99.99% of the time I don't) there are options available.

I need a new tuning laptop for my cars and I was thinking of just buying the $800 refurb P14S off the outlet. Have the laptop ryzen cpus been okay?

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I hate ideapads, but I guess theyre good for the poor living alone student

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>>107086377
I deliberately pick Thinkpad despite the increased cost because that arrow keys are fucking disgusting

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>>107083910
thinkpad e16 gen 3 intel

I've got a T460 currently and want something with more cores soon. Thinking of getting a T480 or T490, or P50, P51, or P52. I run some virtual machines, DAW software, Creative Suite 6, some light games, and basic tasks. What's the best option for me?

>>107087444
Budget?

>>107084042
I think this happens when you switch from UEFI to legacy boot

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I think you're a faggot goysumer cattle (and tech illiterate, ironically) if you buy anything newer than the x30 series, by the way.
I cringe every time I read some faggot post about how they just bought a ThinkPad, how they're "part of the cult" or "fell for the meme" by buying a piece of shit nuPad. The profound ignorance of both the ThinkPad autist culture and computer processing power in general is just too much for me.
It's really no wonder this general has been dead for fucking years, a corpse fumbling around and kept alive by clueless midwits and the occasional oldfag nostalgia posting.
But hey, it keeps the prices low on the good stuff at least!

>x200
Is there a difference between Libreboot and Canoeboot in this instance?

>>107088867
I really don't see the big gulf in classic ThinkPad autism between the xx30 and Tx40p, and the latter are much less expensive to fool around with. No self-respecting poorfag would pay $100 in total for a T430 and an eDP adapter when a $75 T440p can take a decent screen out of the box.

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good morning sirs

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Apparently newer Dell business laptop has replaceable USB-C port.
What's the catch?

>>107089202
iirc Libreboot includes microcode updates but Canoeboot doesn't

>>107088867
To be fair, I got a T430, but I definitely don't consider myself part of the Thinkpad cult yet, until I start buying and upgrading IBM models, then it's another story. I mostly came here to get advice since I fully admit to being a newbie and want to learn and improve, and I started with the T430 as a "training wheels" exercise so I don't end up damaging something more valuable and older and I can practice on a newer model since I had zero experience with upgrading hardware up until this point (and I travel frequently, never had the chance in my entire life to upgrade or build a PC). I think it's much wiser to do so than buying an older model and doing some retarded shit to completely obliterate it by accident.
>if you buy anything newer than the x30 series
What's wrong with buying an IBM model from 2003-2005 though (i.e. T41, T42, etc)? Genuinely curious.

>>107090155
The x is meant to represent number
X230, T430, T530, etc etc.

>>107089980
None, I think they did because going in and out of docks all day was breaking ports and repairs would fuck with the thunderbolt controller so now you can basically hot swap I guess.
Weird how some of them have soldered memory though. Why the fuck would you invent CAMM and not use it?

>>107090281
Yeah nvm, I misread. I thought he meant the actual original X30 model that was released in 2003, my bad. Disregard my post then, I completely misinterpreted him.

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>>107082352
dont mind me
just flexing on yall wiggas
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>>107090526
>krashde
>tranime wallpaper
lmao, you're flexing nothing

>>107086377
>TN
Yawn
>>107089440
Cute handkerchief, bru :-*
>>107090526
Is that you in the wallpaper? :-D
>>107090542
Rudefellas aren't welcome in /tpg/.

>>107090562
so is tranime

Is the T510i any good? I found one in my local store still sitting around after 10 years.

>>107088199
Under $300, preferably on the lower end.

>>107091476
P52-P53 for heavy and unbreakable
T14 G1-2 AMD for thin and relatively flimsy
T480 for weak CPU, okay build, good battery life

Avoid T490 which combines the flaws of T14 and T480 plus soldered wifi

Is there such a thing as:

>silent / near silent / fanless laptop
>15-16" display
>modern intel / amd low tdp cpu with igpu
>at least 16gb ram, better 32gb
>price around 1000 €

?
I find it to be extremely difficult to purchase a laptop, as fan noise / being quiet / silent seems to be never mentionend by any manufacturer and often neglected in reviews. I just need a laptop that shuts the fuck up while using office applications, browsers / youtube and at most some shitty 2D java games, while not revving its jet turbine right in front of my face.
Outside of obvious fanless foldable models / large tablets, I can't find any silent laptop.

>>107091854
>https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E16-G3-Review-Affordable-office-laptop-is-even-better-with-a-120-Hz-display.1059930.0.html
>You can configure the new ThinkPad E16 G3 directly in Lenovo's online shop starting at $923

>>107088867
I've been using a t430 for like a decade now and I'm moving on to a t14 by the end of the year, it's too fucking slow

>>107091854
Any recent non-workstation laptop can be made nearly silent using the builtin power saving mode or manually throttling the CPU. My T14 G5 AMD at work usually stays silent and at worst spins for a few minutes in a day.

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I bought a refurbed X13 Gen 1 (AMD)
How much did i fucked up?

>>107090021
Generally speaking, and that's only for newer machines. Since x200 has always been fully functional with Libreboot, I'm assuming it's identical to Canoeboot.

>>107092638
Don't tell me it has 8 GB

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I thought I'd just dig my old thinkpad (with i7 and radeon rx gpu) from my closet and start using it, but the fucker won't turn on. I let it charge the batter for 1 hour but it only blinks the power and capslock leds when I press power button, nothing else it just keeps blinking them. What do? Is the battery dead?

>>107092770
16gb and FHD IPS

>>107090584
Anime website.
Anime board.
Anime catalog.
Anime thread.
Anime reply.
DEAL WITH IT.

>>107092077
>>107092523
thank you for the advice

>>107091854
MacBook Air 15"

>>107082753
No, it isn't.

Was looking for a good Linux laptop and decided to pull the trigger on a brand new X13 Gen 5
It's about the price of a macbook air, and I still think the air is a superior computer (I own one) but honestly no issues for a week now. The Ultra 5 is quiet and reasonably cool, build quality is solid and battery life is great. Its a bit bricky but honestly its so far a very solid little computer and I love it.

>>107092476
I've been using a t430 for the last two months and it's perfect for my school needs so far.

>>107093085
it's alright as long as you don't spend over 200 bucks. should have took G2 instead

>>107082352
what mods are available for the T440s?

>>107095174
100$

>>107092745
>Since x200 has always been fully functional with Libreboot
Libreboot didn't use to include microcode, they changed that policy so more devices could be supported

>>107095806
genuinely a good steal if it comes with good battery

Can you Libreboot a T480? I see it appears on the Libreboot site, but most people tell me not to try it, because it is unsafe

>>107096369
Yeah my T480 is librebooted, everything works as expected except it takes a second or two longer to resume from suspend compared with the stock BIOS.
My X220 is also librebooted and doesn't have that issue, it wakes up from suspend immediately.

>>107092965
Remove the battery and power it on with the AC adapter only.

You can try plugging the battery back in while it's running to see if you can jump start it.

>>107086194
>You made a claim that was false. The X200 does not have half the power of a first gen i3
I'll admit to over exaggeration but the original point still stands. by all metrics your cpu is slow.
>You made the claim that the X200 had no modern ports, now you're just moving the goalpost
The goalpost hasn't been moved dumbass, i said that your ports could almost all be replaced with a few usb-c's and it would be less bloated and faster. the original point still stands your IO is outdated and slow compared to more modern equivalents
>I made no such admission. The point was if I need more power (which 99.99% of the time I don't) there are options available.
This kinda brings us all the way back around to the original disagreement. i never said it was impossible to use the older machines, i said that for most people they'll want something more modern for real work. if you're gonna use your machine for gooning and scrolling the basket weaving forum then its probably worth it to run a machine that old for the keyboard and the aesthetic but considering that the first thing i said that you replied too was >>107083168
aka someone asking for advice on more modern hardware, i'm assuming they actually want something they can rely on rather than a 17 year old, under powered cope machine

>>107092965
give what anon said here >>107096620
a go but if this doesn't work you may need to look up the blink code that those lights are flashing up on your model

>>107097338
Yeah, but USB-C sucks, just like your arguments :P
But in all seriousness, yes I know it's "old" but my point is simply that it's incredibly capable for its age so much so that it literally works just fine for my daily driver. When I show it to people and mention that it's 17 years old, people literally don't believe me. It's in mint condition and has some specs (CPU aside) on par with modern laptops (i.e., 8GB RAM, 2TB SSD). I might upgrade in the next year or so to a libreboot X230, but I don't really have a strong need to stop using it right now.

>>107097464
Not that guy but I have a T400 and an X220 (my daily driver)
Even though they're only 3 years apart my X220 is so much faster than the T400. If you're happy with a X200 now then an X230 will last you for a long time.

>>107097464
it's definitely capable for its age and if you don't wanna upgrade I'm not here to convince you too. I'm not against the classics either, i have a t420 i refuse to get rid of for that exact reason. i'll stick to my yoga for a daily driver though. lightweight, good screen and decent battery life are way bigger priorities considering i take this thing all over the place.

Mind if i ask why you're looking at an x230?

I used to have one but it crapped out (Battery circuit failure) so i know they're nice machines but i replaced that with an x270 and never looked back.

>>107097628
For sure, I've used nearly all models from x6x to xx80, so I'm aware of the differences in performance.
>>107097645
Beyond the Libreboot support, I feel like the X230 is the last of true X-series design (i.e., easily accessible hard drive caddy, RAM slots, classic keyboard option).

Which version of Windows 11 are you throwing on these for normies?

>>107091672
Thanks for your reply. Is there a big difference in performance for my use case between P51, 52 and 53? I see the used prices jump pretty significantly between each of these models.

>>107082352
Not a ThinkPad question, but is Acer Nitro V15 with i9 and 4060 good for these?
>games
>video editing
>AIslop gen

I don't care about battery life

What's the newest best used Dell that is good for Linux? I want a 2k screen and good battery life.

>>107098138
There's about a 30% improvement per gen if you look at the top CPUs they were sold with. P51 is all quad-cores, P53 has up to 8 cores

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Which of the custom boots let you change your boot screen? Has anyone changed theirs to anything fun? All I can really think of is some hack the planet image or the mr robot face.

>>107095930
but the x200 image shouldn't have any of that though right? Do I have to dig through git to confirm that? It just seems most logical.

>>107096410
>My X220 is also librebooted
x220 can be librebooted? i thought that was just the x230

>>107099197
Yeah it can. You can't internal flash it from the stock BIOS like you can on an X230, you have to use an external BIOS flasher. I used a ch341a

>>107099190
They do have microcode updates, but you can remove them with the CBFS tool. (Although, keeping the microcode is recommended for stability, plus there's already microcode on the CPU, so not having the update doesn't make you any more "libre".)
>>107099197
They've had support for several years, even longer if you count coreboot support.
>>107099304
The ivyrain flash isn't a complete flash since it can only modify region 2. You should use an external flasher for both X220 and X230.

StinkPad lost.
ZBook won.

>>107082352
ThinkStation PGX.

Does anyone know how to use instabrute to find instagram accounts passwords

>>107096620
>>107097364
I'll try that now. Damn Lenovo website has videos for removing the back cover and for all kinds of stuff, impressive.

>>107101375
Fuck. Previous owner has fucked up the screws so it's difficult to get them off. Fuck.

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>>107101399
Finally managed to pry it open.

>>107098721
Thank you. I'll weigh these options.

>>107101474
It works with the battery disconnected!

>>107101520
Took out the battery and reassembled the thing, this thing is over 10 years old I think and it's brittle. Like the little screws and their bushings are almost breaking apart and the plastic case has dents now that I had to pry it open...

>>107097858
I sold X270 on LTSC IoT 11

>>107101595
That's just how they make the E models. I had one with the same case and it barely survived a year of daily carrying. Never buying one again, no matter how many SSD slots it tempts me with.

>>107101672
Mine's survived well but it's been mostly sitting at home. But it's disappointing that one single careful opening of the case fucked it up already so badly. Anyways, I thought it works but now that I booted into linux and let it sit there on desktop for a while the fucking display started blinking on/off. Fuck this I can't rely on this shit, it has been reliable for over 10 years but I guess its life is over now. I was hoping to use it as my work laptop for my new company but nope.

>>107101672
>That's just how they make the E models.
They improved on the Gen 6, right?

>>107101699
To add to this: I can't fucking believe how shitty nowadays laptop options are. Like this over 10 year old thing had 16GB of RAM and basically my new laptop would have 16GB too if I pay the same amount (~900€) today. And core i5. Fucking trash what the fuck is this shit, everything's so expensive.

>>107101520
Nice. I know it's dodgy and cumbersome, but with it powered on by the AC adapter, flip it over and plug the battery back in. See if it starts charging. If you're lucky it will. I just saved one last month like this.

I have an Intel T14 Gen 3 coming in the mail in the next few days. I got it for like $300 and some change. How bad really are the Intel 12th gen chips? I have seen lots of people saying they were shit but back when they were new benchmarks showed they were on par with AMD in efficiency in the 10 to 25w TDP range and only got beaten on ULP (under 10w) or higher loads (above 28 or so watts). Who's to be believed? Reddit users or jewish benchmarks?

>>107102077
I'll try that later. I had to just go buy new one off the shelf for work because I don't dare to rely on this thing.

>>107102369
Good idea. Lithium battery with <80% capacity left is officially recognized as broken btw

>>107102379
Not because of the battery, if you read my posts above you'll see it has other issues. Screen not working. I would be using it for work if the thing would work but nope.

>>107089440
just by the looks of it ai can tell that mouse is uncomfortable as fuck

>>107092638
I have the same model, they're quite decent for what they are.. I just use mine for study and web browsing.. They're nice and small for portability, I'm always taking mine to my local coffee cafe

>>107102406
Does the whole thing freeze up when the screen blinks on/off (requiring hard reboot)?

>>107082352
Current cheapest brand new thinkpad, with either intel or amd memory encryption and thunderbolt?

used T495 is cheapest for memory encryption but no thunderbolt, early T14 gens are horrible