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>recruiter wants 2 direct manager references>I don't want to tell my current manager>last manager before was 3 years agoJust talk to my fucking colleagues!!!!
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>>107166740How tf do you even have any positive reference? JflFor me it would be really hard to find even one colleague who would speak positively about me.The reason being that I coast at every job, get promotions and raises by changing jobs, and I am not at all a good goy.
>employed for a year now>Think of all the borderline retardedly naive shit I said at job interviews when looking for my first job>pain
>>107166911how do you get new jobs without any references?
>>107167049Just fake them.I can't imagine needing people at my jobs to like me.
>>107167078I can't imagine needing to fool others into thinking I'm liked
man i saw a roastie make fun of scrum master job title then i was like....huh she's kinda rightimagine telling people>in my job i have to hold a scrum ceremony in the morning. im currently in a sprint! im holding a retro to see how many tickets were completed in the epic. this project is soooo mission critical... ohhhh your ticket is WHAT t-shirt size???like now that I'm thinking about it....who the fuck made these terms????? this is so fucking goofy what the fuck
>>107167185scrum master is a joke
fucking STORY POINTS? what the fuck holy shit this roastie opened my mind what the fuck is this bullshit.
>>107167207if you have 50 tickets and need a rough idea of how much effort/complexity that constitutes at a glance, what would be the best method for that?
>>107167222naming it something OTHER THAN FUCKING STORY POINTS AND T-SHIRT SIZES. what the fuck are we calling this tickets and epics and stories anyways? The fuck? Hi I'm here to call about Order #123 where the fuck is my M sized T-Shirt????????
>>107167273
>>107167273your mom is XXXXXXL sized
It is important as workers to do everything possible to avoid metrics. The less objectively measurable your work, the better. This allows you to hide information from your employers, and information is power.You want an example of metric hell? Just look at call centres, those motherfuckers have it down to a science and it's hell for the worker.
>>107166966Don't worry anon, the memories only get more cringe as time goes on
Cringe memories is the price of becoming wiser
>>107167273>throwing a bitch fit about some arbitrary name instead of the concepts themselvesYou are a 0.1x developer
>>107166911>I'm a bad employee so nobody is willing to say I'm a good employee so nobody is willing to hire meWorking as intended
>>107167454WAKE UP PLEASE WAKE UP YOU ARE TRAPPED IN A DESK REPEATING GOOFY ASS CORNY TERMS TO EACH OTHER NO I DONT WANT TO CIRCLE BACK, CAN WE TOUCH BASE? BRO I AINT GAY WHAT THE FUCK GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE. MY BLOCKERS? WHAT?
>>107167479Any terminology can be made to sound goofyWhaaaaat? My CO wants me to report for PT ASAP? BE SO SERIOUS DUDE
>>107166700Obey your brown Indian Hindu KWEENS chud, just lower your living standards to that of the average Indian Hindu! Working for her is a privilege not a right, there are 2 billion Ranjeets waiting to take your place!
>>107167554>they all get replaced by the AI they created anyways
>>107167910>become schizophrenic just so you can have some more timenothx
Sitting through a PIP with HR and my manager, completely compliant>"Anon doesn't talk enough during retrospectives">Is that true, anon?"Yes, manager has provided an accurate summary"I'm just counting the days until I quit the day before the 3rd and final meeting
>>107169177see this is what im talking about. Retrospective? The fuck? What movie are we even having a retrospective on LOL
Anyone use Microsoft Teams? Anyone try Mesh yet? It's pretty awesome actuallyThe future is coming :)
>>107166700Where do I find cheaper dev contractors that actually understand what they're doing? I cannot afford hiring an American(budget is ~$50k USD)
>>107169538Die
>>107169530What kind of name is Cailyn
Y'all, I'm back in the game. Freed from the cesspool that is /utwg/, I'm now a Sr. Fullstack Dev. Snek anon has income again, LFG
>tfw during covid I was told 5+ YOE was enough to be senior>tfw 6 years of experience and I'm being told it's now 10For fucks sake
>>107169695Job titles are bullshit, don't read into them too much imo. I was a "site reliability engineer" despite doing full stack shit the whole time.
>girl wearing butterfly wings on hinge photo>ask if she found any good flowers lately>she doesn't have a clue about my autistic boomer ideait's fucking beyond over but I am still trying to find a way to save this
>>107169530Why does that korean fellow look like a black dude in disguise
>>107169778Can you at least make your posts remotely related to the thread instead of just your blog
>>107169778I too want to turn my front yard and backyard into a flower garden.>>107169682How much is the pay? Also how long did you survive jobless?
They call it a floppy disk, but the new ones ain't floppy! Make it make sense, George!
>>107169794$150k/year in a super LCOL area (rural Southeast US). I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment. Oct 8 was my last day, a week or so from now will be my first day. Yippee!
>>107169177I went through this recently for similar clownish reasons, and I wish I would have taken the opportunity to fuck with them more. You should hire an emotional support clown for the final meeting like that one guy did
>>107169650Why? Im trying to grow my business to a point where I can afford to hire Americans
>>107169980You are really asking alot of devs if pay is $50k usd for the US. That is lower than what alot of IT guys get at the entry level work of helpdesk.
>>107169980You're essentially walking into a union meeting and asking how to cut salaries
>>107169822> I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment.do you have a ton of money in illiquid assets or a lot of debt? No offense but I am surprised to hear someone in the tech industry saying a month off would be an issue, curious what your situation is. Grats on the job fellow soufman. Not having to pay big city rents is based. I moved back home (Georgia) from NYC and my rent more than halved.
>>107170019What's worse is that these are people who make enough money to have at the very least college and their car paid off within 3 years of working. So taking time off of work voluntary or not hurts them alot faster than it would if they didn't have any debt.
I want a new job but I feel like I should be holding on to my current one so I don't start over at the bottom of the totem pole
>>107170058It's not necessarily at the bottom of the totem pole. Some companies see your experience and put you higher up on their totem since you have some angle of knowledge that they otherwise would not. FAGMAN has it to the point were people leave after 2-4 years then come back even higher than they would if they tried to climb that ladder. Or they get a masters degree for a break from work then come back as some SR or manager.
>>107169989Like I said, I can't afford Americans. I need anyone from anywhere, completely remote. Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever? I assume some shitholes still have decent devs that want a chill remote gig?>>107170014Not everyone on here is American tho
>>107170058Do you like your current one? Is it stressful? If you are in career climb mode it may be worth it to jump but if not the job market is currently a pain in the ass. I want a new job but my current one has burned me out hard and it's hard to find any motivation to interview while still working and I'm not even sure I wouldn't just immediately bounce out of my next job if I went straight to it. I have plenty of savings but I have a mental block against being unemployed.
>>107169794KEK>>107169789"even if I save lots of money as a tech worker, it doesn't automatically make me a chick magnet." How's that?
I don't understand how people can text strangers on an app with the hope to bang and look at themselves in the mirror it's just cringe and insincere not hating just genuinely bewildering to me
>>107170104Not you responding with that "mmm"
>>107170086>>107170101My main hangup is I feel like having team history and "seniority" makes it less likely to be the first one to be laid off. Although I guess if a team is hiring they probably aren't going to turn around and do layoffs although it probably does happen occasionally
>>107170104you're fuckin weird bro, like you have something legitimately wrong with the social part of your brain
Employed gang question for you:Is leetcode still worth the energy guys? im not in some top school or anything , will probably be unemployed when I graduate BUT I'm debating if its better to go all in on projects or if I should actually split my time between leetcode and projects in the year of our unemployed lord 2025
>>107170234Networkmaxxing is the only way to get a job anymore. The days of just needing to be a LC autist are over fagman is offshored and AI pilledSwitch majors if it's not too late take the CivE or IndE boomerpill
>>107170261thanks I'll keep that in mind
>>107170104Why is your shit all lowercase, are you intentionally avoiding caps
>>107170133Sounds like a you problem
>>107167910No way you put rage bait in a inspirational quote format LMAO
>>107170161why?
>>107169822Wow, a whole month. How did you manage to survive?!
>>107169822>I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment.Your emergecy fund is absolute garbage if a month without income is notable.
>>107170098>Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever?No, it's not. You dumb nigger piece of shit.
>>107170098>Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever?Maybe if you're hiring Ukranians.
>>107170098In Russia 50k is shitloads of cash but most of them are Indians out there since the war has sucked up all of the poor fags into the meat grinder.
>2025>treats dotted email accounts as completely different accountsbest hour i ever wasted, anyone that shills this stupid fucking piece of garbage should be culled against a wall
>>107170980>two different emails>two different accountswhat's the problem?
How do I transition into consulting from regular wagecuck software dev?I'm tired of getting jewed all the time and I want to do the jewing for a change.
>>107171457you start off by wearing really long socks, some two-toned stripe pattern, usually
>>107170945no it is not, most things that are cheaper in yurop is of worse quality. As soon as you want to consooom slop, it will be the same $$$ lol.
>>107171542Retard can you stay on topic. I was talking about purchasing power 50k doesn't do shit in the US while in somewhere like Russia or the EU it goes alot further. Nowhere did i state anything about the quality of goods nore the prices for higher quality items.
>>10717164350k is not getting you anything in western europe except maybe portugal. I make 50k before taxes but when you account for social security payments and other contributions actual cost to the company is in the upper 150ks according to my cunt of a manager
>>107171643>purchasing powerthat's what I'm talking about too. This CoL bs is just corpospeak to justify discrimination. Try buying a nVidia or iToy in yurop, see if they give you a discount lol.
the cost of buying a new computer is a pretty small percentage of expenses
>>107171744unemployed neets living with their parents don't know what a normal person spends their money on
>>107171744Sure how much would a set of tires cost for your car NEET? I have seen people with bald tires pull into fast food places and complain about the government before trying to fix their own self inflicted problems.
>>107171785did you mean to reply to someone else?
>>107171804I am stating that a PC costs as much $1-2k as a full set of tires and often is not a small part of the budget for most people.
>>107171643Do you have reading difficulties or something? Nobody is going to do that kind of work for 50k, not even Romanians.
>>107171830And what percentage of someone's yearly budget are these purchases over the course of 10 years?
>>107171848I conseed my point. Has the inflation gotten that bad everywhere after 2019?
>>107171848Romanians would absolutely take $50K USD
>get taken on as junior software engineer (C++) less than a year out uni at previous job>they didn't support or train me, basically left me to fend for myself>said I wasn't keeping up with the team or meeting expectations>sack me>that was nearly 6 months ago>I still haven't found a role, there are barely any junior/graduate positions and I've now been pigeonholed into C++>had a few interviews but experience is normally the issueWhy did I do a CS degree?
Yeah they call it CS because at the end you're Completely Screwed haha
>>107172035CS stands for Commit Suicide
>>107171883Yes, before 2019 and for a junior developer.
>>107170980"user.name@example.com" is distinct from "username@example.com". If it's not, it's a feature of the email provider.
>>107170980what
>>107166911I can put forward every single direct coworker i have in 15 different departments and they will all glaze the fuck out of me because i actually do a good job and im in my element, unlike you a literal exploitative parasite who unironically spends his precious, minimal time on earth behaving like this. You will never be a human being.
>>107166911After I left my previous job, I had two former coworkers reach out. One volunteered to be my reference and one agreed when I asked them.
>>107172202All the places I've worked at just do generic references you get from HR saying 'Anon worked here between...', it seems uncommon to have personal ones these days.
>>107171744do you know what an example is? Consumer goods (incl groceries) are a very big part of expenses. Yurop is usually much more expensive due to taxes. You are left with services. Online services are priced roughly the same, independent of your country. Offline services vary, difference comes down to quality. Also, most westerners have the option for the cheap ones if they so wish see x-tourism, the vice versa is not true.
>>107171643Note that if you wanna go into Europe and spend only $50k/year, it comes out to a smaller salary since there's a bunch of taxes the employer has to pay before it goes into a salary. So if an employee earns $50k before tax, the employer might be spending closer to $75k (salary + side costs).
>>107171744My new employer got me an M4 MacBook as a senior developer. Not an M4 Pro, not even an M5. The outgoing M4.Hopefully the savings are worth it as I wait for shit to compile.
>>107167273agile is le-cool and modern ok? just get with the times broseph
>>107172250COME JOURNEYMEN WE HAVE A TON MORE EPICS TO FINISH AND STORIES TO CLEAR! when are we getting job classes in agile next.>warrior main dev>priest are team leads>strategist is your PM>NPCs are the stakeholders
I just had a recruiter from a fagman company reach out to me and send me a questionnaire, after sending them my resume a few weeks agoOne of the questions they're asking is if I'll need help relocating to their offices if I was given an offer.What should I put? Obviously I'm going to need help. Im 23 and have a few thousand dollars in my bank account and even more credit card debt. I can get my family to help me out with the move but It would be 10x better if they could help me out. At the same time I don't want to say that I need the help, because it might(?) count against me in the recruiting process.
>unlimited pto>take a day at the end of this month and 2 in december (like the day after christmas, who the fuck wants to work that day)>all denied>'you don't need those days off, it'll be dead anyways">check calendar, boss is off for literal weeks around christmas / new years>put PTO back in to be a dick when I see that>he claims he isn't going to approve it>tell him he has to I have a trip and the tickets are bought>he says so does he>I say it isn't my problem, I'm well within the time frame to get PTO scheduled/approved for this, its 6 weeks out>he hasn't replied and not accepted/rejected the pto yetI know hes fucking pissed, he thought I'd just accept it and move on. I, provably, do twice as much work as anyone on this team, including him. I can heaviiiily slow that down though and would be glad to.
>>107172325Surely they wouldn't have asked if providing help wasn't an option
>>107172356what shithole do you live/work in that PTO can be denied
>>107172363AmeristanI start work very early.
another day another dollar, am I right pedes??
>>107172377even then, PTO denial requires a legitimate business need at that day like multiple people with the same responsibility being out, or taking PTO the day you're support to have a big meetingnobody says "you don't need it" what kind of shitty body shop do you work in
>>107172380another day another septim
>>107172389The language is unfortunately that PTO being accepted is entirely at the discretion of the manager, thats it, nothing else.And only half our team works in the US, and I'm the senior engineer. So he was getting pissy about having an engineer on for all of US hours the day after Christmas especially, despite himself claiming half the company would be out and nothing would be going on.I'm taking that time off whether or not he approves it.
I can barely bill the customer because I'm just waiting for stuff that doesn't depend on me. This sucks. Worked 2 hours today in total.
>>107167472>>107172190>>107167182What the fuck is this normie shit. JFL at 4chan outside of r9k.I work like 10h a week. I could get more done by working for longer, but if I consistently work this much, they get an idea of what to expect and don't give me more tasks (this is part of a manager's job), and this way I get enough done to not get fired. I am good at programming too, fell in love with it since I was 13 years old.I could be ambitious in terms of money or career success, but I choose to be ambitious in terms of free time, and be close enough to the NEETGOD life while making a software dev salary.You're bullying me for saying I am disliked, but I am not that bad, I spend years at a time on the same job, and for example, I was just on a call with a coworker, and helped him debug a problem he couldn't figure out, and we figured it out together.However, normies can tell when someone is coasting. Probably more due to attitude and vibe than actual output. I eventually get fired from jobs at some point or another, I don't leave them, which is where fake references come in, as well as interviewing skills to get raises when that happens (plus severance pay, which is very good in Europe due to labor laws).If being disliked by normies is bad, then what am I supposed to do? Be a good boy and work much longer for no reason? Be fucking stupid like them and don't play the system at all?
>>107172240They should just fork the money over for a ATX Eypc if they actually cared about compile times. Hell even a 32 core threadripper would give you faster compile times.
I hate giving demos or training sessions. Feels like interviews all over again. It's even worse because they always record them too so if you fuck up or say something you're not suppose to they have evidence.
>>107172356Last year my boss told me the CFO had new pto rules when my contract stated I had unlimited. He then tried to retroactively apply it to me and said I had used all of my PTO in August.Went to HR immediately. That same day they were on a call, and he suddenly changed the status of my new requests from declined to accepted and we never spoke about it until the new year rolled over.Most managers genuinely are just absolute fucking morons.
>>107172563What did you tell HR, for them to take your side?
>>107172570I just told them it was a violation of what I and the business signed and that it wasn't fair to try and apply a new PTO rule to me that limited my PTO severely in the MIDDLE of the year.They just instantly agreed and said they'd speak to him.Turned out the CFO didn't tell him to go and try to apply it to everyone in the middle of the year, he decided that on his own.
>>107172592high IQI never talk to HR about things, I just assume the company is all on the same side, and at most document things to talk to a lawyer later. I will take note of this. Thanks fren.
>>107172528>being a decent worker = being a normieshut the fuck up, retard. just accept you are fucking retarded and worse than mediocre. if you can't get references from ex coworkers, it's not because 4chan culture, because you are disliked, coasting or whatever. no one gives a shit about any of that. (You) are the problem.
>>107172356>unlimited ptoThe concept alone is stupid, it just means you have 0 PTO by default and have to always ask for more leave. I'd even go a step futher and say that any system where you can convert PTO days to extra salary at the end of the year means you do not actually have fully paid time off.Thank god I live in a country with a mandatory minimum of PTO.
>>107172631Cope and seethe.You can't even make a logically consistent point. You say it's not because I am coasting, but it is because I am the problem. Well then, if coasting and doing the minimum is not a problem, then I am not doing anything wrong, and normies just bully me for no reason.
GM SAARS
>>107172611You're right in that HR is there to protect the business, but its exactly this reason you should speak to them when you know somebody is fucking with you or management is doing something to you that you know they shouldn't/can't because HR wants to prevent lawsuits. So if you know you're in the right, they'll be VERY happy to help you most of the time.HR is basically there to slap overstepping managers repeatedly, because that ends up being 90% of their job.>>107172633Only one company truly allowed me to actually use my unlimited PTO for real, but they went under. You're right in that it basically exists to avoid converting unused time off.
>>107172651you are so fucking stupid, you don't even understand the point of references. if none of your ex coworkers is willing to be your reference, it's because they wouldn't risk their reputation to help you.think about it.>Cope and seethe.I'm not the one who has trouble getting references lmao. my ex coworkers know I'm a fucking asshole when I want to be an asshole. my current coworkers also know I spent long months doing nothing at all when I joined this company. even then, I know for sure they all would absolutely recommend me to prospective employers.sucks to suck :^)
i mean I'm going to have a tough time getting references because I always burn out at all my jobs and by the time I leave I'm a bitter angry asshole lol
>>107172690>Burning bridgesI can assure you the field is alot smaller than you can imagine. This will bite you in the ass eventually.
>>107172715>that one Indian guy that got 70 literal jobs in the span of a year in the bay area alone before being noticednahhh I'm not thinking so
Good Night anons i hate night shift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGDf2VrvK8
>>107172683I don't care you fucking normie.I don't want to be liked by normies. I loathe them. I think I am better than them, so when they dislike me, it means nothing to me. I think that they are less intelligent than me. Do you understand that? And I am proud of facing no repercussions when they don't like me, because I just ask discord friends to be my "reference".I hate to be this blunt, but I literally just said I can't get good references so I fake them, and you started bullying me.To me, coasting on remote jobs is not negotiable. I do not want to work more than 2-3 hours 2-3 days a week. And I won't because I am better than other people.
>>107172715Probably but at my breaking point it gets kinda hard to control it.
>>107172690Giga IQThe normies in this thread are bullying me for this. Even though at my first job I was more naive, actually worked hard, and was still mistreated.>>107172715This is bullshit, I've never had any problem due to previous coworkers hating me, and there's like hundreds of them at this point in my city alone.
>jeets randomly book me a meeting with no context>"Hey, can we move this? I need my boss in this meeting">they book a time when me and my boss are taking another meeting ??????????????????? helloooo my calendar is RIGHT FUCKING THERE
>designated junior autist codemonkey complaining about being insufferable and nobody liking them for some incomprehensible reason hoursyou are a woman, and I mean that as an insulteven jeets can comprehend the basics of office politics and don't act like edgy 14 year olds
>>107172356Wanna know something worse? My company switched from unlimited PTO to flexible.Unlimited pto is already bad.Flexible is significantly worse.Our new guidelines state we can take as much time as we need "as long as we're reasonable" and as long as "it doesn't interfere with business needs". The second one is the key point. They can essentially indefinitely deny people's PTO requests in my state, it also makes it so that in my state they don't have to pay out accrued PTO since theres no technical cap being set.My manager has leveraged this against me twice now and theres nothing I can do about it. They essentially can (try to) force me to work indefinitely with no time off ever. They did this so they could do mass layoffs without having to worry about paying out time because state law says you have to.
>>107172782desu with these types of post idk who's the bad one because I've seen some really autistic people who make mountains over fucking nothing but I've also seen some careless managers just not protecting the team and just letting everyone walk over them and the team.
>>107172727>normielmao, this retard fell hard for the internet culture bs>I don't want to be liked by normies>they don't like menot being liked doesn't mean having them hate you, retard. they are your coworkers, not your friends. if you can't even get references from them it's because you must be a terrible coworker, a terrible WORKER and a terrible PERSON. no wonder you can't get references kek>you started bullying me>bawwwnot only you must be a terrible coworker, you also victimize yourself.>I'm entitled to wasting company timehow about, instead of doing that, you find another job that allows you to do that?oh wait, you can't even get references...go talk to a psychologist, retard. you have mental issues
>>107172800America is such a third world country lmao.
>>107172782You are misunderstanding me. I spend years at a time at the same job. It's not like I am extremely insufferable and everyone hates me.At the one I am currently at, they like me, and it may be the one where they don't actually fire me and I end up leaving by myself, or I even get a raise in it.It's just that normies are typically obedient to corporate and very submissive wagies, so they can tell I am coasting and don't like that. Eventually, one of them may start talking shit about me, and that's where things start to go down, I get a few meetings with HR, and eventually get fired.That's how it worked at my previous two jobs, basically they generally disliked that I was not trying very hard / they could tell I did the minimum, and they were ok with it, until one of them wasn't and he started talking shit and then the others started disliking me too.
>>107172808if nobody is willing to give you a reference then you are objectively the problemit has nothing to do with coasting or whatever excuse some tard with a victim complex wants to make it about, nobody cares about coasting unless you are actively a negative influence on the sprint and that's not coasting that's sabotage and makes everyone else have to work harderit just implies such a deficit in social skills and negative personality traits that I wouldn't be surprised if that guy gets filtered on the HR rounds
>>107172808I get tasks done. If someone tells me "we need this by the end of the week", with me, it will be reliably delivered before the end of the week. I do not introduce bugs to the codebase or code that's hard to work with. They literally just get worked up over my attitude/vibe because they can tell I am not very invested in the job and just want a stable wage, and they want me to try hard to get promotions or something. They are ok with this for a while because things get done, until they aren't.So what do you call that? Am I "walking over the team"?
>>107172855>a deficit in social skills and negative personality traitskek what a fucking normie
>>107172857idk what you mean im talking about managers who like take on everything when it's their direct reports doing shit or people that don't push back.>>107172855shrug some people get too much on the corporate rat ladder that they look down on people who aren't. i'm just saying but you can get pretty screwed if you are passive with the wrong guy.
>>107172895those people exist but the odds of not a single person in multiple years over multiple workplaces being willing to say yeah that guy's good I'd vouch for him implies it's a him problem and not a corpo rat problemfrom his posts he reads like the average undersocialized 20 year old who thinks being an ass is cool
>>107172813read this, i explained things better:>>107172837btw, when normies do this, i am sure they believe their bad references matter, and i will never be able to get a job again, or something. in reality i dont care at all and i still have very good (fake) references
>>107172724we don't have a tribal in-group preference by our peers who will provide references to literally anyone in their own tribe, regardless of actual experience (yes I'm saying Indians constantly get fake references)
>>107172570If it’s in writing and they don’t want to honour it, it’s a breach of contract. It’s that simple.
>>107172914I mean it could be the opposite. I've seen jobs where people burn out into being assholes when they were pretty high performers.
>>107172914At one place they were absolutely seething because I left and many things relied on me. They obviously wouldn't help me get another job.At two others, things basically went to shit due to one normie talking shit behind my back and spreading brainrot to the others. One of them didn't even give me time to learn the codebase there, and the project wasn't even working in my computer anyway. At the other I was objectively delivering within deadlines and had the job for 4 years until that happened.At my current job, they are ok with me, but I think that they think I am not trying very hard / doing the minimum, won't want to give me a raise, and wouldn't give a very good reference.It literally is that they are into the corporate rat ladder and look down on me because I'm not. When you say that multiple people disliking me proves that I am the problem, that's basically mob rule logic. Multiple people can be wrong.
>>107172837>It's just that normies are typically obedient to corporate and very submissive wagies,stop making shit up. if there are people that are NOT like this, it's tech workers in general. even during hard times, tech people usually know their value, and are smart enough to know that they can just quit and move elsewhere if/whenever they want.except the mediocre, technically shitty retards, of course. those are gatekept from getting other jobs.if other retards are bad mouthing you, then make sure to be available when they contact you and to have good excuses for not being able to start working immediately. also don't overdo the coasting maybe? hell, you could tell your employer that you only want to work 3 days a week or 4 hours a day and they might accept that (for a lower pay of course). you seem so mentally rigid, I bet you hadn't thought of that alternative.>>107172920>read this, i explained things better:I was just replying to that post jej
>>107172888time to ignore that dunning kruger nigga
Genuine question, is anyone itt even "ok" with their job anymore? Does anyone actually have a chill engineering job where they're left to do some modest work, not micromanaged, not harassed by retard managers or jeets or whatever else? Is there any comfy left in this entire industry?Jw cause I've struck out twice in a row. It's like the asshole levels have turned up by 500% in the past few years. Currently working at a place that wants to simultaneously rush engineers into getting as much work done as possible but also make it as hard as possible to actually get work done with the endless restrictions, meetings, PRs and filters.
>>107172977fuck jobsBeen doing this 20 years, i'm not even that old but nothing ever changes for the better, it only gets worse. There is no chill. The new generations of managers are even worse than the old ones. They're all faggots and slave drivers. The trick is to only care about work during business hours. The rest of the time it can fuck off. Live your life for something real and dgaf about jobs.
>>107172931Correct, we have no network or community at all, which is why no one anywhere would know or care if you told your boss to fuck himself in the ass right before quitting lol
>>107172962I am not interested in that alternative lmao. In fact I've been recently thinking of making much more money. So far I've been just taking market price for my levels of experience, I've been thinking of rewriting my resume to brand myself as an exceptional dev, or a team lead, and get higher pay at my next job, when they fire me from this one, or eventually leave if they don't.But that's a whole different story.I am not technically shit by any stretch of the imagination. I love programming since I was 13. I get a lot done in very few hours of work. And technical skills have never been a problem. Whenever I get a leetcode or programming type test in an interview, I know that's going to play to my advantage vs a social skills type of interview.You say tech workers are not submissive wagies who want to make their boss happy, because you have different standards of what that means. But from my point of view, they are like that, because they keep getting mad at me for not trying hard.
>>107172977I'm ok with mine. It's remote and comfy.
>>107172957>I've seen jobs where people burn out into being assholes when they were pretty high performers.Literally me.
>>107172957This played a role for me too. At some point you start hating normies.
>>107172977Honestly no management feels like a curse too. I'm constant getting worried of having no work and the requests that actually DO come to me are fucking retarded
>>107173001>I am not technically shit by any stretch of the imagination>I love programming since I was 13have you ever thought that, maybe, you have terrible habits, have been carrying them ever since you were a kid and your coworkers hate you for that?>you have different standards of what that meansI directly tell my boss that I'm not content and that if they want to lay me off, they can do so because it would be a very good thing for me. I tell my coworkers not to defend the company because we are not slaves. we all work remote, wake up at like 10am and dgaf about RTO.have you ever tried having an honest talk with your coworkers? sounds to me like you just want to complain, play the victim and justify your shitty habits, even though you tell yourself that you are technically good. also, quit the>normiesshit, mentally ill zoomer.
>>107173065It's still better than the micromanager. Ranking basically goes like this1. The good balanced management that can organize and delegate responsibly2. No management...3. The micromanaging retards
>>107172993fair
who tf is simon willison and when did he became an authority when it comes to ai/llms? What has he achieved that even my normie coworkers parrot his takes?
>>107172977>>107173065>>107173091I functionally have no manager, it's ok since I completely ignored the rto>have to create my own tasks>constantly worried about if it looks like I did enough>can still slack though easy>have to fend for myself when project managers and others try to scope creep my role>can't say "I'm overloaded, what should I prioritize" to anyone>nobody cares what I do unless it doesn't get done (no raise, no bonus)>nobody I can say that some other teammate is blocking progress
>>107173181looks like a dime a dozen LLM shill
This onboarding sucks ass.
>>107173088It sounds like you're mad at me for no reason, for saying on 4chan that my coworkers don't like me, which doesn't even affect you. This kind of proves my point about how people are. Sometimes they were right and I was taking the coasting too far (eg sleeping in and not responding on teams), other times I was doing nothing objectively wrong and one normie still started spreading brainrot about me, and that got me fired. It's kind of 50/50. You are actually partly right in that I did make mistakes.But let's talk about this point in particular:>have you ever tried having an honest talk with your coworkers?This one is tricky. I am in Europe like I said, and there's very rigid labor laws. It's better for me to not say anything and just and let them do their thing (as in, talk about me, have a few stupid HR meetings, before actually firing me when they feel ready or whatever), than having an honest talk and saying something they could record and use against me.For example, at my last job, if I had had an honest talk with them to make amends, it would have to be kind of along these lines "I made mistakes, you were unfair to me too taking shit when I was actually doing nothing wrong, let's both agree to work on that and get along from now on". And this could be very bad for me legally. It ended well for me in terms of severance pay because I did not talk to them and said nothing substantial in meetings about the "problem".Anyway. I am now careful about not taking it too far, who knows, maybe I'm just saying all this due to my last two jobs which made me bitter as fuck (you wouldn't believe how insufferable they were, but I know you'll say it was my fault). I no longer sleep in and I am available during the time I am supposed to. I keep a plausible level of performance at all times, and keep appearances in terms of how I communicate with them. I deliver very good quality, and they appreciate it. They may even give me a raise at this one, you never know
anyone else at kubecon rn?
>Your mic has been disabled.>You can no longer unmute.Is it over?
>>107173283>It sounds like you're mad at me for no reasonidgaf about you, I'm analizing the situation based on what you say here. sucks if you had shitty job experiences, but you can't extend your attitudes to new jobs.also, your coworkers are not HR. just be as honest with other people as much as you can (not more, not less), there is no need to make shit up.also, make sure to stand for your rights and for your wellbeing. you don't work to build a company or whatever, you work to make money. think of your position in the org: the org exists to make its owners money. you make them money, they pay you for that... you can negotiate stuff based on that.>I know you'll say it was my faultanon, you showed yourself to be insufferable ITT. >muh normies >muh bullying and shit is not the attitude of an adult. also, coasting means being a burden to your coworkers. ever thought of that?>Europeregarding burn out: it is YOUR responsility to worry about your mental health and overall wellbeing. don't let people and companies exploit you so much that you can't function as a person. but also stop thinking you are entitled to things you haven't been granted (in this case, free time). sure, you can coast all you want, but that's obviously not what your employers want from you...if you live in Europe, you surely have great worker rights. take advantage of them.
Be honest, have you gotten caught with a phishing email?
>>107172631Good goy, keep adding shareholder value!
>>107173546my job doesn't make my employer any money. it consists of taking advantage of FUD :^)
>>107173525no but the fuckin security tests make phishing emails that look 99% like a real email and i got caught, but it's like 1/50 chances lol so who cares
Let's admit that this general is a little contrarian. No matter what, what you say some guy in here will sperg the opposite
>>107172977All jobs are cucked like thisEven if you are self employed, you'd have a customer acting the same way as your boss is. If you are thriving, you have the luxury of bailing on them otherwise you're equally cuckedThe only way to escape this is to invest and save up enough money that it works for you and no one can cuck you either through NEETing or having the power in your job to say lol lmao to anything you get told to do
>>107173546What's wrong with shareholder value?Don't you have investments?You don't actually live hand to mouth like some nigger do you?
Let's hear some investments! :Dwhat are you currently investing in
>>107173546>not being an entitled retard when taking advantage of corporations = adding shareholder valueLMAO, some "people" ITT are so fucking stupid.
>share google sheet>the only options are 1 person or the whole companywhy is meta so weird
>he doesn't get a performance-based bonus
>>107173588My stack is something like20% IBIT40% SSO40% VOOblindly set and invest for years now, doing well. I have home equity as well but that doesn't really count.
>>107172813>lmao, this retard fell hard for the internet culture bsYou're on 4chan mate. How dense are you?
>>107173499No, he's right. You sound like typical NPC dumb nigger cattle. Eat shit and die.
>>107173588I only have like 20k in mutual funds.
>>107172528Based. I'm trying to do something similar with freelancing. Although, I don't mind working long hours.
>>107173588200k in betterment fuck if I know
>>107172655No, they won't. HR will always side with management. They are scum and should be treated as such.
>>107173499I'm glad you seem to understand my point somewhat. In the sense that you recognize I've had shitty job experiences and it was not all me being insufferable or something.There's a fundamental point we're not making progress in, and it's on the topic of how much work is acceptable. I do not want to not be exploited, I do not want to stand for my rights. I want to fuck them over. I want to work less than I am supposed to and get away with it, while still keeping plausible performance (both by setting low expectations by being consistent like I said, and because being good at programming also helps). I am ambitious in terms of how much time of the day I have to myself. I want to be reasonably close to the NEETGOD life without actually being unemployed.You talk like you are standing up to your bosses and not a good goy, but you are actually doing what they want, which is why they let you do this and still like you. And you are proud of doing a good job for them. Jfl
>>107173640>>107173645mad as fuck.you must be another insufferable, self-victimizing cunt that has no clue how to take advantage of companies without harming your coworkers.my whole team would laugh at your retardation. literally everyone in this industry knows tech is a scam designed to take advantage of retards.
>>107173600That's it little goy, you're one of the good ones! You tell him!
>>107170980That's standard-compliant behavior.Isn't Gmail the only mail provider that treats dots in the local part as non-existent?
>>107173698>that has no clue how to take advantage of companies without harming your coworkersI ensure that I do both at every position I occupy.Get on my level nerd.
>>107173692>You talk like you are standing up to your bosses and not a good goy, but you are actually doing what they want, which is why they let you do this and still like you. And you are proud of doing a good job for them. Jflyeah man, I'm getting references from coworkers because I'm good for the corpo and not because I have a decent relationship with other tech workers and we all know how to leech from these corpos.meanwhile, you come here and admit get fired for getting burned out.kek, the fucking nerve of this faggotkeep victimizing yourself, retarded zoomer>omg STOP BULLYING ME ONLINE!! BAWW
>>107172690Eh, that's normal. Managers are usually assholes so I try to be an even bigger asshole to them.
>>107173698you are such a good little goy>without harming your coworkersi couldn't give less of a SHIT if a coworker does nothing all day, and i wont make up for it, meaning, if a coworker is on my level, he won't care, if they're good goys, i dont care about hurting themkeep adding shareholder value
>>107173698Phew, you should really do something about all these projections. It's not healthy.
>first one on one with new manager>asks me how an API workswhere the fuck do they find these people?
>I'm European and I get burned out but I won't take advantage of the benefits the system offers to me>my coworkers are wrong for not giving me references. fucking normies!>you are bullying me how much of a shitty, retarded, mentally ill person I amtop kek. the other anon was right. this must be a woman. too fucking stupid, and completely lost
>>107173757You still don't understand that I don't need references?You don't understand that workers and the corpo are the same thing because workers are submissive to the corpo and care about it?Do you deadass think that if you're likeable, a good person, or whatever, but don't try hard at the job and play games for a promotion, then corporate won't like you but coworkers will? As if they're two different entities?JFL
>>107173789They're no longer former engineers, all business retards. This is another bad development. It was critical for managers to have been former engineers and understand both sides of the process.
>>107173803you are so fucking good that you have to ask your "discord friends" for references. and you say that without a single drop of shame.lulz
>>107173687Are you retarded and or lacking reading comprehension?HR will side with executive management/senior leadership. If your local HR roastie hears that your boss is mis-applying a PTO policy to you (which gets into legal battle territory) they will absolutely correct it.They are there to protect the business, not your low level middle manager.Not saying they aren't scum, but they can be incredibly useful when you know you are right. I'm guessing thats a hard ask for you though.
>>107173800You absolute retard kek, keep adding shareholder value goyI take full advantage of the system, that's my entire point. Labor laws make it harder to get fired, which enable coasting. And then when I get fired, I get severance pay.I also don't need references.
>>107173823>and you say that without a single drop of shameOf course.
>>107173800What are women even doing here? Don't they have their own irl support groups?
>>107173891I am not a fucking dumb foid. I said I am good at programming and do it since I was 13, how could I be a woman.
>>107173903show bobs and vagene saar
>>107173789>>107173814Uhmmm sweatie, they're managing people not software why would they need to know how to do that when they can just tell you to do it?
>getting lectured and criticized on an aspect of work I don't care about>mfw developer getting grilled for going too fast when teaching the seniors at our work on how to press a button. bro this should be a favor im doing you. I literally don't give a shit about presentations and I'm sorry if I need to teach granny how to use her computer for her job. this is way out of my scope. Maybe I am being a brat but I fucking hate being voluntold to do something and then they start criticizing the way I'm doing shit when I give a rat's ass about it.
>>107173687>HR will always side with management.Not if the management is doing something illegal, since that opens the company to huge legal liabilities.
>>107174024You vill listen to me bikeshed instead of doing something and you vill be happy
>YOU are a good goy!>I live in Europe but I don't make use of worker protection laws, not even when burned out>I am not honest with my coworkers because that's legally risky>but somehow I'm getting a raise and a promotion even though I admit working 10hs a week>I also can't get references from coworkers>so I have to ask internet "friends" for that instead>fucking normies reeeeeeeI just realized... this guy must be a narcissist, and probably a psychopath. no wonder he's paranoid and victimizes himself so much.I bet this insufferable faggot would make a great good-goy manager. he'd exploit the fuck out of his underlings by micromanaging them while doing nothing of value himself. these are the kind of retards that make the tech industry worse for tech workers.
>>107174089I forgot to mention>>I also can't get references from coworkers>even though I'm really good technically speaking! I've been programming since I was 13the mark of a narcissist...
>>107174071I'm trying my best to tune my brain to "this shit doesn't matter" but they keep going "haha, this shit kinda does matter" and I'm like okay? not my fault you dispatch your lowest charismatic guy to a charismatic task.
I always get great references from everybody and I'm incredibly racist and antisemitic in public.Skill issue.
>>107174024just stop caring
>>107174149thats what im doing!!!!!!
>>107174089>>107174108How stupid are you, coasting is literally making use of worker protection laws. I also get good severance pay if I get fired, because of them. Good goys are the ones who don't play that card.I get raises and promotions BY CHANGING JOBS. At the new one they have no idea about any of this.I can't get references from coworkers because they are good goys like you. They don't care about technical skills, they just see I'm not trying that hard and get mad.I explained this multiple times.
>>107174089>>107174108Not the anon you're replying to, but I can't believe you're still mad.
Do you work on personal projects on company time? I found out that it's strangely motivating.
>>107174089bro it's just an unemployed neet larping don't take him so seriously
>>107174219The problem it's hard when you're rto>bring your own laptop>get nervous if someone sees something they're not suppose to, or they're going to report you>do it on company laptop>corporate and cyber security lighting up your asshole
>>107174089
>>107174238I wouldn't do that in the office or on company hardware, of course. You're just asking for trouble.
>>107174222Boss' good boy absolutely seething
>>107174185then why worry!>>107174219yeah it's all real world shit though, not technical.
>>107174275because they keep overly pushing it that it's making my competitive side go a little "huh maybe I should put more effort in this" reeee fuck that>>107174256ugh rto is the worst
>>107174306well then you're worried about what they might think, but you know you shouldn't be, because they wont do anything but talk if you don't do 200%, and fuck that shit
>>107174319REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING YOU SHOULD DO THIS THEN HOLY SHIT I HATE SENIOR EXECUTIVES FUCKKKKKKKKKKK
>>107174355they don't know shit, and they ruin everything by getting involved
