>News & Rumors
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super. Potentially cancelled, likely q3 if still being released
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series

>Product Notice

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

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>>107276635
Some master craftsmanship right there.

With parts becoming more expensive and poorly optimized games being shunned, will developers stop being lazy with games?

>>107276684
I think it's more a competence issue than an effort one, as they genuinely think they do good work. I'm more curious what'll happen to the shitdevs after they're fired.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Acer-Nitro-60-Gaming-Desktop-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-5060-Graphics-with-614-AI-16GB-RAM-1TB-SSD-N60-640-UR21-Black/16965909083

Should I go for it bros?

How do I stop wanting to upgrade?
Want to get a 5070ti/9070xt but can't justify getting it over my 7800 xt, yet the want is there

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>>107276646
>Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027

>>107276782
Ask yourself whether the purchase will do anything for you. If none of the games you play requires anything faster it's just a waste considering cards will be cheaper when you do finally need an upgrade.

Can someone suggest an AMD build for streaming? My budget is $1700 right now.

As long as I can run games on 60 fps at 1080p and can stream without lagging, then it should be good.

>>107276782
Seems like a perspective issue. You say you want it, but you clearly feel resistance as well. Some people find spending money cathartic, but it's essentially bloodletting, and you'll likely feel such a loss after the fact. If you have to doubt it, you shouldn't buy it, it's that simple.

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>Almost 2026
>Novideo driver issues still not fixed

>>107276819
The latest ue5 sloppa like cronos new dawn or wukong or silent hill don't run above 60 without upscaling

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>>107276776
loathe to say it but because of ram pricing it'll be very hard to beat that price DIY. Low end prebuilts will have an advantage right now as they already have the ram stock.
>1 stick 16GB
>ketchup & mustard psu
>100% sure that's an H610 mobo
vgh

>>107276819
man used 3000 and 4000 cards aint so cheap

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>>107276635
Delightful.

>>107276782
just buy the 9070XT and sell the 7800XT it's not a big deal
you have to get off RNDA3 abandonware no FSR4 and now no Redstone

>>107276635
Is there anything worth upgrading to from a ryzen 5 5600 thats still on an am4 socket? Thats also not ridicilously expensive?

>>107276931
not anymore no

>>107276758
devs used to actually understand hardware and programming on a low level. look up the fast inverse square root algorithm, devs went from writing fast highly optimized code to flow chart blueprint """programming""" in unreal. it doesnt help that the entire industry abandoned their in house engines to use a standardized engine jeets claim they understand. UE5 has fundamental issues aswell. its a shit engine, being used by shit devs, with ever increasing headroom from better hardware and up scaling. it is the same reason javascript and such has made opening a few tabs use 392032903tb of ram. the devs are under very tight time constraints to push shit out of the door which compounds the issue.

>>107276782
You know you can sell your old parts, right?

Even better, you can sell your old parts, buy somebody else's newer old parts and basically break even with a bit of haggle.

>>107276782
Go to the mirror look yourself straight in the eye and preach
>I want the brick of firehazard silicone known as 5090
>but it costs more than my kidneys
>I want 2x64gb of RAM
>but it costs more than my lungs
>I want a server rack full of storage to hoard the entire web
>but it costs more than my mortgage
then you honk your nose and go back to shitposting, be warned if you repeat this too many times you might get an urge to actually find a well paying job

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>my waiting a few hours to order RAM costed me an extra $40

I want to upgrade from a 3700x, but leaving AM4 behind would be expensive. Any thoughts on the 5950x/5900xt and the 5900x? I don't care to spend extra on x3d chips for gayming

>>107277051
You're in the worst time period to upgrade desu

>>107276980
I saw an old electrical engineering boomer talking about this, he said low level hardware programming used to come with manuals and shit so you could actually understand explain and teach it, but as time (and shitloads more money) got involved low level hardware basically became black boxes not even everyone in the same company knew how it worked as it's all trade secrets and you can forget about any manuals. All we have left now is people basically poking and prodding at these chips to find out what they can do. He described it as going from engineering to more like science where you are just trying to find out what the fuck is going on and if you can make it do what you want. He said that's how Python became so ubiquitous because is was the fastest to learn and easiest to use. It makes sense to me when applied to webdevs and other modern devs now too with their relationship with hardware. I think it was an MIT talk I probably have it somewhere

>>107277067
Hence, why I am staying on AM4 to ride out the storm. I don't need the absolute best. ddr4 memory is still good enough for my usage

>>107277051
14600K+B660/B760
prefer ASUS or MSI for DDR4 on LGA1700

>>107277051
You should have upgraded 10 months ago, sorry. You're stuck with that thing until you die.

>>107277037
Waitfags always lose, no matter how little they wait. Sorry you had to learn this lesson the hard way.

>>107276980
>devs used to actually understand hardware and programming on a low level.
Devs also used to be white and not indian

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>>107277037
It's been a wild week
Last week the prices would increase every couple days, this week it's been every few hours just insane shit

>>107276420
i mean anon if you do get into blender the 5070 will serve you much better

>Economy is dying
>Stock market crashing
>Hardware prices skyrocketing
Oh boy, another 4 years of this shit. Maybe infinite indians weren't a good idea.

>>107277051
5900xt unless 5950x is only a couple bucks more

>>107277051
a used lga1700 board that uses ddr4 + a 14600k + maybe even an aio would still be cheaper than anything you're going to realistically get on am4 while still being way faster.
You're a bit late on upgrading am4

>>107277051
>5950x
then do it there's nothing to lose now just find a used one slot it in and enjoy the cores
the only other option is AM5 or swapping to 12th/13th/14th gen DDR4 intel

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Why have shills in this general for the past few months been trying as much as possible to downplay the importance of socket longevity for a motherboard? I went all in on AM4 in 2017 and bought a high end X370 board that I eventually upgraded with a 5800x3d and that PC is still going strong. Have a few friends that had the exact same experience and this general used to be very positive about that advantage. Now I constantly see what I'm guessing are shintel fanboys or paid posters telling people that the core ultra socket not even getting a second generation of CPU's is no big deal and needing to buy an expensive $300+ intel mobo again is fine. Doesn't seem genuine at all.

I won't give more than 500 euros for a monitor.

>>107277153
IMPULSE BUYERS WHO BOUGHTED MONTHS AGO, HOW WE FEELIN?!?!

What is going on with Amazon? My 5070ti that's coming next week will have been 2.5 weeks after I ordered it At first I thought it was holiday stock issues, then the ram thing hit and I thought it was extra panic buying in tech, but I ordered some new gaiters and the earliest estimated delivery is 3 fucking weeks from now. Is the country collapsing or something? Is UPS on strike?

>>107277210
most people didn't buy a high end X370, they bought a poverty-tier B350 with a ryzen 1600 and acted like it was going to last them 15 years
now the same thing is gonna happen when zen 6 releases with increased memory speed requirements

>>107277227
I boughted after a year of pondering in September lmao glad my wait fagging days ended

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>>107277143
if only you knew how bad things really are
>suspect ancient relic AMD 480x graphics card has been dying for the past year because if I adjust settings beyond lowest in games I used to play without an issue, the video goes out and I'm forced to restart
>even some very specific PS2/XBOX era particle effects (?) cause the video to stutter and eventually crash if it's on screen for too long
>tried new W10 install and drivers
>sometimes Brave browser has little red squares in random places
>AMD 5600x CPU, 32GB DD4 RAM
>forced to either full rebuild or buy a new expensive video card (and probably bottleneck my CPU)
I-I waited...

>>107277210
Because a lot of AM4 slowpokes are finding out that socket longevity only matters if you actually bother to buy that new CPU when it comes out and upgrade.

This year has been full of people asking if they should upgrade their 5600X or whatever and being told to jump to AM5 as they missed the boat on the 5800X3D and 5700X3D. They assume these CPUs will be good prices and around forever and act shocked when that CPU is now $400 and out of stock.

>>107277210
>downplay the importance of socket longevity for a motherboard
Because it's not important. By the time most people would actually need an upgrade the better value would be on a new platform.
>needing to buy an expensive $300+ intel mobo again is fine
Skill issue

>>107277267
>AMD 5600x CPU, 32GB DD4 RAM
you're fine, just buy a gpu

>285k $429.99 on Amazon
AMD is fucking buried at these prices.

>>107277227
I boughted after the prices startes to rise and I'm already vindicated.

>>107277210
Good motherboards are really cheap. It doesn't really matter in the long run when it costs $150 in 4 years to replace the motherboard

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>>107277298
>AMD is fucking buried
If all you care about is getting the highest cinebench number and don't game sure. Intel having to sell for this far below msrp is a sign they are losing not winning btw. Only failed product lines such as cope ultra get their prices cut this much becsuse they aren't selling.

>>107277309
A $150 motherboard is not cheap. Thats firmly in the mid-end. Cheap motherboards are sub-$80 A-class chipsets and they are absolutely a hazard.
But its not the chipset that determines if the motherboard has good longevity or not. There are shit X boards and very good B boards out there.

>>107277210
My z690 board was $80 and my z890 $130

>>107277298
Wow! That only cost the price of the shittiest 32gb DDR5!

I should have boughted even more stuff today
Oh well there's always tomorrow

>>107277287
This, the RX 480 is ancient. Get a 5070 or 9070 XT and just chill.

>>107277383
>RX 480 is ancient
it's a modern card

>>107277384
>9 years old
>Modern
Bait used to be believable

>>107277287
Thanks, maybe I'll sell this RAM locally (even if it even ships lol) if I find a nice new video card to pair with this CPU for 1080p/1440p. I usually just play stuff like 7 Days to Die, PoE2, Deeprock Galactic, indie jank, SNES to PS2 emulators

Is really worth it to get a 5800X3D if I have a 5800X already? After I upgraded my GPU its only thing I have left on AM4 that's kinda considered "worth it"

>>107277344
>If all you care about is getting the highest cinebench number and don't game sure
download this map
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3240880604
post your results, use any graphics settings you want (make sure reflex or anti-lag is disabled)
then we can talk about failed product lines
>>107277358
no DDR4 option is a huge problem at the moment for both intel and amd
bring it back, i say

>>107277396
You'll be doing 1440p just fine for the next 4 to 5 years with that setup if you buy a 9060 XT or a 5060 TI 16gb or a 5070 if you have the extra money, only cpu heavy games will bottleneck a 5600x and that will usually happen at 1080p

>>107277399
No

>>107277384
Yeah but we're in a postmodern world so it's still old

>>107277399
Not really, no. Maybe if you're only playing at 1080p and you mostly play simulation games, but the 5800X3D is so much more expensive than the 5800x, you would need to find a very good to deal for it to make sense.

>>107277399
You missed the boat on cheap 5800x3ds available 2.5 years ago

Are VA panels really that bad? I'm on an old TN so it's gotta be an improvement.

>>107277450
Yes

>>107277450
Some people are fine with them, I can't stand the things at all even on TVs

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>>107277383
>>107277419
Thanks a lot too, yeah the rx480 is a hand-me-down card that's certainly put in its time. (My old card just before the wushu flu years used to be an AMD HD 7970. That got me through Resident Evil 2 remake surprisingly well at medium 1080p; loved that brick shithouse tahiti). These prices definitely seem more reasonable for what I play

>>107277479
Buy a GPU ASAP, prices are going to get much worse.

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Which of these ports should i set to L1? I need it to run my intel b580 help plz

>>107276635
>32 GB 6000 MT CL36 ram kits going for 350 fucking dollars
AAAAAAAAA when will the AI bubble fucking POP

>>107276820
bumping this. Any suggestions for Processor?

>>107277498
True, no more waiting. I waiteded since the crypto craze to buy a video card and now's my chance with actual stock to choose

>>107276420
OP here. maybe I just sell my 3070 on ebay to recoup some money from buying the zotac oc 70. any anons think i can sell it for 250-290? its in good condition as far as i can tell

>>107277553
If it's just collecting dust, sell it in a few months once the prices of GPUs fucking skyrocket again.

>>107277553
no point selling now it's a buyers market for GPUs currently

>>107277553
I agree with the other guy, wait a few months before trying to sell, there are many great offers for new gpus right now and we know that prices are expected to rise, depending on how crazy it gets you can get a very good deal

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>>107277568
im ignorant to market stuff, you think a used 3070 will be more valuable in a few months than it is now? is that the trend of the used market for GPUs? I guess with it being after the holidays it makes sense but damn, youd have to be pretty desperate to pay more than like 250 for a used 3070 imo

This is the cheapest RAM will ever be, buy the dip morons

>>107277539
afaik these days you don't need a load of extra cores for streaming because of nvenc, so get a 9800x3d like everyone else I suppose.
If MSI is still running that deal on their web store to get -$100 off one of them with an msi motherboard in a bundle that'd be the way to go.

>>107277623
ill just buy a gabecube if this is the new price of ram
not paying 5080 prices for fucking 64gb of ram

>>107277623
green plate from chyna is coming home, 4800mhz 48 cl just like the doctor ordered

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Convince me not to buy it please I could use the $100 somewhere else but Noctua never did me wrong before it's hard to leave them

>>107277655
old brown d15 is cheaper no? and still reliable

>>107277655
It doesn't even beat the Thermalright Peerless Assassin for 1/3rd the price in terms of cooling performance

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If the purchase gives you anxiety or fomo, you can't afford the product
Only buy shit you consider disposable for peace of mind
Get your money up to match that feel

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>>107277655
That blacked heatsink will go so well with the astral

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>>107277281
>Because it's not important. By the time most people would actually need an upgrade the better value would be on a new platform.
How the fuck is me starting with a 1600x in 2017 then 5 years later getting to upgrade to a 5800x3d that will last me till AM6 worse value than building a whole new PC you intard shill faggot?!
>>needing to buy an expensive $300+ intel mobo again is fine
>Skill issue
Cope ultra needs to be able to run very fast ddr5 7200 mhz memory (insanely expensive now btw) to be competitive so a half decent reliable mobo is mandatory yes.
>>107277251
I don't see how poor purchasing decisions like that is anyone but the users fault. You're a moron if you don't buy a good mobo that you plan to upgrade the cpu on in the future.

>>107277400
>download this map
Based. Yeah my 14900k shits on 9800X3D on that test. Very memory heavy game.
>no DDR4 option is a huge problem at the moment for both intel and amd
Just buy Raptor Lake Refresh and a DDR4 board and pop some b-die in problem solved. 14th gen eats with DDR4. I've still got some overkill 2x16 b-die sitting in my home server PC with my old 10900k and some regular old DDR4 sitting in a closet. I could swap them out in a pinch.

>>107277655
If you're going to get a Noctua, why would you not get it in Noctua colours?
You're just buying an expensive as fuck generic black cooler.

how often does tempered glass cases shatter?

is it better to not use glass?

>>107277734
>upgrade to a 5800x3d that will last me till AM6
Already too slow for top end gpus and slop games
Platform longevity is for ultra poorfag copes
And does not even make sense
14600k for free on sale proved this

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>>107277210
Platform longevity doesn't fucking matter when I can still just do shit with my 10900k. I don't need to put a new CPU in because it's not glued together dogshit with dogshit memory latency. How about buying the best CPU that doesn't need to be replaced and fuck the motherboard?
>>107277753
truke
Noctua colors are based

>>107277749
>Overclocked intel running fast ddr5 wins in a game that doesn't utilize 3dvache
Next you'll tell me grass is green. Now try running Escape From Tarkov where x3d is mandatory to not have stutters. Like any comparison of products there are tests that are extremely biased in eithers favor. You're just validating your purchase and brand loyalty which is not what this thread is for.

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>32" 4k still cheaper than 27" 4k qdoled

>>107277734
>You're a moron if you don't buy a good mobo
but that was another AMD "advantage": cheap boards with OC support
i also remember when people used to applaud AMD for omitting the iGPU to save 10 cents, but then they came back to reality and realized they have no display output for troubleshooting
good on you for getting a nice board but that's not how the situation played out for the majority of early adopters

>>107277758
I’ve been setting my tempered glass panel on my ceramic floor tiles at least a dozen times a year for the past 5 years and nothing fucking happens. Idk how people are constantly breaking their shit like retards.

i hadn't actually thought about it much but I actually have a tempered glass chair mat I put on my carpet so I can roll around better. I'm constantly flexing it at weird angles if I roll or step this way or that, I guess eventually it'll probably just explode underneath me.

>>107277785
>a game that doesn't utilize 3dvache
Not selling me on this 3D Vcache thing.
>Now try running Escape From Tarkov
No. I'm employed.
>You're just validating your purchase and brand loyalty which is not what this thread is for.
I have both and the AMD shit doesn't get used because Intel is both a workstation and it can play games.

>>107277807
wtf are you using like 16-24 cores for in a workstation in current year? Anyone who needs more than 8C/16T needs a threadripper or a powerful GPU, otherwise you’re just LARPing.

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>>107277785
>game that doesn't utilize 3dvache
CS2 scales with cache
if you run a crippled intel system like HUB X3D dominates

>>107277778
>Platform longevity doesn't fucking matter when I can still just do shit with my 10900k.
>10900k
5900x even stock shita all over that pootel trash. This revisionism going ITT that am4 was overrated needs to stop

>>107277827
Running it faster than stock (because xmp) isn't running it crippled

>>107277822
I can tell you haven't tried it. More cores does not mean pinning every core all the time with every workload. Being able to spread your workload with multiple applications needing realtime data (financial) along with whatever you may be doing on the side like a bit of single core encoding or browsing and suddenly the 8 cores is a bottleneck. 24 cores means 24 queues where the top of the queue can be getting work done. It's much more responsive and this is the "snappiness" people talk about with Intel.

>>107277832
>5900x even stock shita all over that pootel trash.
Zen3 never beat the 10900k
5800x3d was the thing that caught up
10850k cost as much as a 5600x, never forget
Amd gave u more cores for less before then they became Jewish
Now u get a 24 core Intel for 8 core amd
Brutal

>>107277827
>crippled intel system like HUB X3D dominates
Prove it. There is validity to their gpu testing being biased but Ive heard nothing when it comes to processors
>inb4 it's rigged because he didn't use 8 gorillion mhz ram that cost 1k now with the core ultras

>>107277604
>youd have to be pretty desperate to pay more than like 250 for a used 3070 imo
People will be, don't worry.

>>107277840
>>107277854
HUB isn't running it faster than stock though, they're doing some weird shit to make AMD win at all costs
i think they published a recent video, BF6 or something, where they had a 14900K running at 5.2 GHz
you can't replicate their results at home, try it yourself

also still no one has posted CS2 benchmark numbers from their system, sad
the game is free but maybe there's a lack of internet bandwidth in the favela

>>107277805
It should be fine, I had one for a few years and didn't have any issues.

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>>107277870
>BF6
Except other outlets show even the 7800x3d winning in that game. There is no conspiracy by tech media against your favorite billion dollar company and you need to take your meds

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>>107277853
>Zen3 never beat the 10900k
Keep telling yourself that coping nigger

>>107277906
i didn't say intel was "supposed to win" in BF6, i just said HUB is crippling their intel systems
techpowerup should be fine for stock results, i don't think they've been caught doing anything shady
>>107277914
>phoneposting

>>107277906
Average fps died a long time ago
This is average fps right
Doa metric
We don't do that over here

>>107277914
Synthetic benchmarks from a monkey aren't real, monkey
We are talking real workloads like gaming here

>>107277906
>if they posted the overclocked 14900k results: 110%
Why they overclock the 9800x3d but not the GOAT? Also I think those charts are fair and accurate for stock. HUB is out of control with their suboptimal settings where the 14900k is literally choking because their motherboard is overvolting it and having to downclock. All Raptor Lake CPUs perform better with HUGE undervolts. Able to maintain higher clocks with lower heat, more expensive VRMs are a lot better at accomplishing this that's why there can be such a wild disparity in comparisons.

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10th gen copers are some of the funniest pcbg posters I've seen. Eternally seething on their power hungry dogshit

>>107277870
5.2ghz is the new allcore clock with intel's mitigations enabled. It's even non-stock since you'll have to enable intel's extreme performance power profile to get it otherwise the all-core clock is only 5ghz.

Anyone score some black friday deals? There's a wd 10tb hard drive on amazon for 169.

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>>107277241
idk but fedex aint doing it for me either rn. i think they lost my gpu and are trying to stall while they find it

>>107277758
not often
but it only needs to happen once for you to never touch them again and seethe every time you see one, shaking out glass from heatsinks is a very enlightening experience

>>107277940
>>if they posted the overclocked 14900k results: 110%
>source: My prolapse aids infected anus
I know who you are by the way, you're that faggot who keeps posting that bald jew that tricks people in paying for a 500 dollar "Overclocking course"

>>107277957
Well that's completely ridiculous and obviously not a fair representation of the product. That's why max-tuned or at least semi-tuned results are all that matters. Even tech illiterate folks could go into a BIOS and set a medium load line and 1.35v static and 5.7GHz all P core on a 14900k and have it work with no problems on a 280mm AIO. For the more tech literate you get lower power draw overall with an adaptive voltage offset which takes a while to stability test.

>>107277956
>Rendering
Mam this is a gaming board

>>107277241
Amazon said they'd deliver me an SSD in January if I bought it now

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>>107277979
>Only one guy owns Intel and knows the truth of the overclocking potential
Not everyone is one guy.
source: My 14900k is 15% faster than stock, 99th percentile Passmark and slaying 9800X3Ds in games on a 4 DIMM board with just 2x16 7200MT/s (tight timings) a-die. I'm no expert at tuning but most people are retards.

>>107277987
Anon, the days of 5.5-5.9ghz stock clocks are long gone. The degradation issue made intel fuck themselves with overkill clock reductions so they stop bleeding money from every sold 13900k-14900ks requiring 2 replacements over it's lifetime

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>>107277957
no it's not, multicore performance didn't change with the new microcode
the 1.55 V limit is only hit when a few threads are active and it's trying to boost to 6 GHz
some boards might have been undervolting before (through AC LL) but that was never within intel's spec
>>107277979
>you're that faggot who keeps posting that bald jew that tricks people in paying for a 500 dollar "Overclocking course"
lmao his results are also terrible but that's because he's dumb
HUB is doing it on purpose

>>107278004
as long as its not being pulled or pushed its fine

STUPID FUCKING RETARD AMAZON CANCELLED MY ORDER BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS "SUSPICIOUS"
ON BLACK FRIDAY
WHAT THE FUCK

>>107278030
0x129 is ancient. it doesnt have the newer mitigations found in 0x12B and 0x12F
ICCMAX = 307A enforcement and ACLL = 1.1mOhm removed a lot of performance.

>>107277758
>>107277774
Just tape it up completely once you pull it out of the box bro!

>>107278059
i checked their video again and it's pulling like 200 W at 5250 MHz
you would need the worst 14900K on earth to hit the voltage limit that early at AC LL=1.1 and <200A current draw
but whatever, the point was that you, the /pcbg/ poster reading this, was supposed to show how frickin awesome your AMD CPU is by posting numbers from YOUR system

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>>107278059
Very few of those i7s and i9s never needed the full 307A current or the 1.1mOhm AC LL to sustain maximum boost clocks in gaming loads (single & all core max).

>0x12B and 0x12F
You're just making shit up that these microcodes came with performance regressions.
https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Vmin-Shift-Instabilty-Update-New/m-p/1686948

The motherboard vendors just took the easy way out and blasted the default AC / DC LL to Intel's maximum specifications.
You can claw all that performance back by dialing back the AC LL & calibrating it to match the LLC.
If you buy -K CPUs and Z- motherboards, you should know how to do all this if you want to unfuck the board vendor's lazy, blanket overvolted settings.

>>107278123
>>107278137
307A is measured internally within the cpu and not at the vrms. The internal current draw is always higher and will cause throttling much sooner than what's measured at the VRM
>source: ex intel OC autist

>>107278004
Looks fine to me

>>107277774
This shit is ridiculous, how can they sell glass cases when doing literally nothing causes them to instantly shatter?

>>107277774
Was he pushing the side panel in with his thumb, like a retard?

idk if I want to get a 5090 or a 5070ti and buy a ton of peripherals and fancy monitors

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>>107278147
You can't do basic math to understand 307A is way more current than any daily i7/i9 user needs to run their CPUs at Intel's 253W maximum specs.
The issue isn't the current limit, the issue is AIB's lazy, overvolted, default AC LL specs.
Buildzoid already proved people can claw back all the lost performance if you know wtf you're doing.

Insider here, gpu and ram prices are going to keep going up. Buy now or be forever priced out of the market.

>>107278183
test iccmax yourself. you'll understand it works completely differently from what you expect. it even causes frequent throttling in low thread count loads.

you sound extremely out of your element when talking about intel spec related throttling mechanisms desu

>>107278181
Your screen is the most important part of the whole build. It doesn't matter if you have a 5090 if your screen looks like shit. Get the best screen you can.

>>107278137
>you should know how to do all this if you want to unfuck the board vendor's lazy, blanket overvolted settings
and if you're a reviewer with a big audience you have a responsibility to inform them how to fix their systems
>>107278147
i don't have a windows install right now so i can't confirm or deny what you're saying but i don't think i've ever seen my system hit the current limit
maybe in prime95 or something
who cares, fix it

>>107278171
he unscrews it and it drops and cracks on hitting the floor

>>107278004

maybe you want to pair them with ziptie

>>107278192
You still can't do basic math; you literally do not need 307A of current if you're running these CPUs at the rated 253W maximum power draw.
An i7 or i9 that is stably tuned to clock @ the highest boost clocks will always request over 1V in heavy single or all core loads.
That's over 300W of power in all core loads. The CPU is power limited rather than being constrained by the ICCMAX.

You are the one who is completely out of your depth.

>>107278217
It didn't even hit the floor, even if it did glass dropping at zero starting speed an inch should not crack let alone tempered glass. This is unacceptable.

>>107278233
you're literally talking about it theoretically despite not understanding how it functions. its not about math, its about you lacking fundamental understanding of intel's throttling mechanism

>>107278196
>i don't think i've ever seen my system hit the current limit
>maybe in prime95 or something
Even custom liquid-cooled i7/i9s will thermal throttle before they use up that 307A current limit in Prime95 Small FFT loads.

Gabecube won't save you, it's going to be 700+.

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>>107278250
I know the reality fuckface.
I can tune a 180W power-limited 14700K's all-core performance to nearly match TechPowerUp's 14700K review sample running at the rated 253W power limit.
On the latest microcode btw.
Know how to tune the hardware you're paying for, especially if you buy unlocked CPUs and motherboards.

>>107278268
totally unrelated to throttling mechanisms btw
by all means, enjoy the OCing, but don't claim to know what ICCMAX does when the only time you've touched it is to max it out at 255.75/511.75A. there is nothing wrong with admitting that you don't understand the topic

>>107276635
Got my Aorus fo27q3 today and holy moly is OLED so nice. Lovely monitor

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>>107278283
These chips will never go near the 307A ICCMAX when they're running within Intel's 253W maximum power limit.
My tuned 14700K simply running at stock boost clocks & 253W power limit can exceed the performance of TPU's OC'd review sample with power limits removed.

You sound like a shit hardware tuner if you have to rely on your chip to draw over 300A of current to maximize its performance.

>>107278267
damn that's what my gpu costed

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Okay just installed my 5070. Should I avoid installing the nvidia app? I had it installed w/ my old card and turned off the filters and shit. Still on windows 10 if that matters. Only reason I used it is for the convenience of shadow play, really

>>107278018
>slaying 9800X3Ds in games on a 4 DIMM board with just 2x16 7200MT/s (tight timings) a-die.
>Still hasn't posted a single benchmark
>Please don't ask about the power draw either
Into the trash it goes

>>107278346
Oh and for using new dlss presets on some games, but plan on having nvidia profile inspector which I think would handle that too?

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How does this look? I have a bunch of storage already but I will probably get a new m.2 for the operating system. Will look at adding a third monitor later; my second monitor is ancient and not listed on pcpartpicker. I will also be adding some extra fans once I figure out the best ones available locally, or if I can import a bunch at a reasonable price.
Location: New Zealand
Use case: Primarily gaming, some workstation use - Lightroom, Photoshop, minor Illustrator, minor Premier, some AI slopping.
Budget: No particular budget, but I also don't want to waste large amounts of money on microscopic upgrades
Other: I already have the CPU, cooler, GPU, case, PSU and monitor.

>>107278346
No real difference with or without it, use NVCLeanInstall if you're paranoid.

>>107278314
You're literally arguing with yourself because of your deep misconception about amperage measurement

Losing my fucking mind going back and forth over getting a 9070 XT during the nig november sales to replace my 3080 10 GB. I simultaneously don't think it's worth the cost even considering resale and think the performance uplift is unimpressive, yet I also want that 16 GB futureproofing and am not enthused by the idea of settling for another 2 years with somewhat underperforming hardware.
I don't give a shit about 4K, I'm a 1440p main, but I do like high refresh rates. I also always sit one step down from max graphics settings because it never makes a difference visually but always makes a big performance difference. 50/50 about losing DLSS upscaling because it's usually the best AA method.
Is it actually worth it, or will a 3080 still perform until 2027?

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>Should I avoid installing the nvidia app?
Nvidia drivers in 2025 are as bad as Polaris was at launch regardless of what you do. If you want stability return it and switch to 9070 XT

>>107278369
>Nvidia to AMD
You're in for a fucking bad time

>>107278371
>Nvidia drivers in 2025 are as bad as Polaris was at launch regardless of what you do.
No they're not, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>107278369
FSR4 is very good but its also janky as hell since you need to use a community made tool to substitute it for dlss in older games

>>107278371
My 3070, 3090, 5080, and 5090 all work well.

>>107278369
>50/50 about losing DLSS upscaling because it's usually the best AA method
FSR 4 is coming out at launch or shortly after for pretty much every new game and FSR redstone matching almost all of the rest of the nvidia features is out in less than a month. You also can mod fsr4 into most games that don't have it with optiscaler in like 5 minutes. I don't think you will end up missing it too too much.
3080 is still decent so you don't have to if you don't want those higher frames you say you like but keep in mind you can sell it used to cover a decent chunk of the cost for your 9070 XT.

>>107278377
>>107278386
>>107278405
I could go up to a 5070 Titties but that's even more expensive. The performance uplift is right on the cusp of what might actually convince me, but it's absolutely not over it. Even the big wins where it's like 40% uplift the test is usually running >100 fps on the 3080 anyway, or it's like 60 to 85 or something, just kind of... 'yeah it's better I guess' territory.
Man, logically I know it's not actually worth it. The FOMO of prices going up yet-a-fucking-gain soon is definitely getting to me as well. But whenever I actually consider it properly it's obviously not worth it. I wish it was a bigger difference

>>107278362
There's nothing to argue when I've already proven these chips aren't bottlenecked by the 307A current limit.
You hit the thermal limit first, then the 253W power limit.
No one cares what happens past 253W because you're way past the CPU's efficiency curve by that point.

>>107278382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

>>107278382
He's a mentally ill 7900 XTX owner who's been coping with his purchase ever since he bought it.

>>107278413
One of the biggest upside to rtx5000 is how much less power it uses for the same FPS as a 3080 IMO. But if power draw doesn't matter to you at all and if you don't see the need for >10gb vram in the next 12 months, just stick with the 3080.

>>107278413
Yeah sounds like you are FOMOing and should just wait for the next gen. Or at least wait for the super series refresh and the juiced up superclocked 9070 XTX ayymd may or may not (probably not) release.

>>107278356
That's actually what I'm doing for the first time. Never looked at all these options before. The app requires Process Monitor but not sure if that's telemetry or something else. I'm at an impasse. Fuck I guess I'll try it out again just for the additional DLSS controls. Thanks

>>107278416
Completely not rooted in reality.
It's iccmax 307A that gets hit first followed by 253W limit and finally the thermal limit at least on a 360mm aio. Don't believe me? Try it out yourself.

>>107278435
>9070 XTX ayymd may or may not (probably not) release.
They wont. Part of the deal is that AMD stays non competitive.

>>107278429
I've got my 3080 undervolted, hasn't gone over ~250 W and usually sits more like 220 W under load while I've been watching it, so it's not a big deal.
>>107278435
Alright, I guess I'll just have to hope the 60s aren't complete trash like the 50s were.
Thanks senpaitachi. I'll try to stop letting it eat me now.

>>107278444
The CPU would need to be requesting less than 0.85V while drawing over 300A of current, no workload triggers this behavior unless you deliberately set that voltage limit..

>>107278472
Or maybe your understanding of how iccmax's amperage is measured is completely off kilter...?

Maybe unpopular opinion but as much as FSR 3.1 and older is hated for the many issues it has at least amd made something that can work decently to breathe new life into 10+ year old cards. Also certain games like Ghost of Tsushima showed the image quality could be good with proper developer integration. I personally used it on that game on my 6800xt at 4k and I couldn't tell the difference 99% of the time between 3.1 and native.

>>107278481
You are the one who's getting everything wrong.
Even a good 14900K bin needs to draw over 1.4V to sustain maximum rated boost clocks @ all core loads.
You hit the 253W power limit before the 14900K even gets 200A of current.
People already tested this shit, now fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI2x2_skwSs

>>107278506
You would be god if you can get the 14900k to pull 253W sustained with iccmax of 200A at ambient.
Anyway that's enough of this nonsense for me, you're typing like chatgpt who's always confidently wrong in its assumptions

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>>107278481
>>107278506

>>107278506
>0x129 ancient microcode

>>107278386
>you need to use a community made tool to substitute it
not any different from every normie saying just use dlss swapper or nvidias account creation bloatware

9070 xt or 5070 ti?
I'm just looking for stable 60fps at 1440p and my old card is really struggling these days.

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>>107278515
>>107278517
>>107278529
Power limited, not current. I accept your concession.

>ancient microcode
I've already proven the microcode hasn't affected CPU performance in >>107278268 & >>107278314

>>107278548
>stable 60fps at 1440p
You can do that with a 9060 XT 16gb or 5060ti 16gb if you use fsr4/dlss4. Buy 9060 XT if it's 70 dollars or more cheaper in your region.

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>Corsair won't let us buy any more at present due to no stock in production, so will probably be next year now for additional stock.
grim
on the plus side looks like amd gpu deals on the weekend if you need one
every time I think I shouldn't be buying the prices go up the stock runs out and the store staff says no more is coming in
even on amazon its pretty slim pickings and a lot of ssds, gpus and ram is out of stock or has ridiculous delivery times

>>107278548
5070 TI is the more future proof option even if its more expensive you are paying extra so they dont stop supporting it after a few years.

>>107278639
Nvidia cards age like shit, even more so in the AI era where they dont care about gaming. The only reason you get nvidia is for some ai slop related task.

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>>107278667
No.
RDNA3 trash has already missed out on the best version of FSR4, and will not be getting any of the other Redstone feature sets.

>>107278567
Framegen input lag makes me wanna kill myself, how bad is it on those cards?

>>107278685
i cant tell the difference between int8 fsr4 and wmma fsr4 other than int8 giving better fps.

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>>107278692
You own an RDNA3 card; you have poor judgment.

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>>107278667
why would you lie to people, you can use DLSS4 on turing cards while AMD is locking all new features away from RDNA3 and put RDNA2 drivers on its maintenance branch after only 5 years

>>107278698
wmma fsr4 is same as rdna4 version just running slower
i cant spot the difference in quality with int8 and it works.

>>107278717
>just running slower
>'just an inferior experience'
Good for you. Imagine buying a 7900 XTX and coping like this little bitch.

>>107278737
i have a 20gb model why are you on crack

>>107278737
funniest thing is that FSR4 INT8 was an accidental leak, AMD itself had no intention of ever allowing their loyal customer get it

flamewar shit is so tiring. why do people feel the need to spread bullshit and misinform people? to cope with their choices ?

Radeon R&D is headquartered in India so subhuman jeets must flood the thread to defend india

>>107278750
I'll continue to call out AMD until they start supporting their products properly and not locking features away from cards that they are still selling in 2025.

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>>107278742
So you're a little less retarded, good for you.
Enjoy your inferior FSR4 experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BORRBce5TGw

AMD has cancelled the release of the 9070 GRE

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>muh maintenance branch
Learn what that means
Nvidia is putting every not-current gen in maintenance branch too, every time, they just don't announce it specifically
If a feature can be backported with zero additional effort it will be backported eventually, but all new feature development is focused on current gen

>>107278757
>>107278762
>>107278767
go back to videocardz.net

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>>107278774
You can fuck off.

>>107278773
Kepler bros know this feeling

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>>107278773
RTX 20 and 30 series card owners get the features that matter.
NVIDIA can't even show the usage rate of FG because it's the least popular feature in the RTX/DLSS suite.

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>>107278773
How many times are you gonna get exposed until you learn that you cant just bullshit your way here

>Nvidiot cock gargling brand war tards ITT genuinely believe that pascal was getting optimization for new games until late this year and they weren't just making sure there were no bugs and the performance wasn't weird
It's literally just the same thing for rdna 2 and older now because there isn't much more performance to be gotten out of them but regardless I think AMD even said in their clarifying statement that rdna 2 would still get optimizations for some new games.

>>107278808
Nvidia keeps all their supported gam ready architecture on the same driver branch recieving the same support unlike AMD.

>>107278715
I wasn't talking about AMD, I said nvidia cards age like shit and the fact that they may or may not support certain features doesnt change this fact. Performance gap between 9070xt and 5070ti already vanished in less than 1 year, this has always been my experience whether I owned AMD or nvidia.

Both have generations where they fuck over consumers but my AMD cards always aged well and my nvidia cards felt old after just 2 years.

My takeaway from this spergout is that the 5070 ti and 9070 xt are virtually identical in every way that matters and I should just get the cheaper one.

>>107278807
>Current gen version number ahead of previous gen verion number
Anon that is exactly what I said?

Does anybody here know if Blackwell uses the same core step increments as Turing through Lovelace use (15mhz)?

>>107278826
my take away is that AMD is just dogshit and you have to be a mentally ill retard to buy them, thankfuilly as the steam hardware survey shows no one is retarded enough to do it.

>>107278846
Again you can decompile the nvidia driver for yourself (they are open source in linux since january) and realize they literally have ONE branch, how many times do i have to tell you, stop making shit up here

>>107278858
you talk like someone who is so obsessed with brand wars shit you've either never bought an AMD card in your life or its been 20 years since you did. why would anyone care what you have to say about a product you dont use.

>>107278808
That's why I think the outrage towards amd is pretty sus, possibly even astroturfed by nvidia employees
Nvidia literally does the same thing towards "old" uarchs like kepler and pascal whenever a new baseline uarch drops and nobody bats an eye

>>107278876
Why would anyone care about a retard that has been making shit up and has been corrected 5 times in the last 5 post you have made.

>>107278856
nope its 7/8mhz (7.5mhz) now

>>107278877
how many times are you gonna keep saying that bullshit https://github.com/NVIDIA/open-gpu-kernel-modules

There you go ONE branch for all supported game ready architectures

>>107278874
They only have one branch, but some features are exclusively available on 50 or 40/50 only or initially available only on 50 but later unlocked on 40.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying version numbers are irrelevant.

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i think i should sell my ram and use the profit to get a laptop

>>107278894
kepler very obviously performance after maxwell's launch
similarly the 1080ti used to beat the 2080 in many games but have since dropped off greatly in performance around 2019 onwards.
keeping the uarch working bug free aka maintenance mode isn't the same as optimizing its performance in the latest gpu generation.

>>107278691
He's probably talking about just the upscaling part. They can do real 60fps no problem.

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>>107278885
7.5mhz wtf? Duck's ai says that Blackwell uses 25mhz steps but I can't find anything to back that up. Can you point to a source citing that number because that's fucking weird. I'm willing to believe though

>>107278904
The only feature that was locked to the series 50 was smooth motion which is a software level frame gen and it was open to the 40 series later but even then they did not split the drvier branch and stop supporting Ampere and Turing when they said they would not get frame generation unlike AMD.

>>107278912
>dropped off greatly in performance around 2019 onwards.
Because new games are designed to take advantage of modern hardware in mind?
Of course Pascal cards did well in the early Turing release when GTX 900 and 1000 cards dominated the market.

>>107277860
not that anon but what makes you say that? because of the ai companies buying stuff?

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>retailer orders ram
>ram maker said if you order now we can fulfil it in December 2026
it's never been more over

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>>107278924
LLMs are trained on old data so using it for the latest info is always very questionable
See picrel, my gpu boosts in increments of 7-8mhz

>>107278933
pray the stock market keeps crashing.

>>107278917
Buying a new GPU feels like pulling teeth, I really don't want to be in a situation where I have to do it again in two years. You know how these modern devs are with their shitty ass optimization practices.

>>107277447
i bought mine when they were $320 how much are they going for now

>>107278691
FG is optional

>>107278924
If you own an RTX50 card, it's not hard to test this through Afterburner's curve editor.

Flatten the curve past 950mV or tap the "L" key twice to set a frequency limit
Raise that 950mV V/F point's frequency by 9MHz.
Run Unigine Heaven or Valley in Windowed mode and see how the boost clock changes in Afterburner's main screen.
The boost clock reported by Heaven/Valley is usually busted.

>>107278951
The catch is that badly optimized games are usually bad in most other ways too.

2026 is sounding so bad for tech
well except for playstation, apparently sony stockpiled shitloads of ram months ago
microsoft made zero plans and there will be no xboxes very very soon

>>107278970
You ain't wrong.

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>>107278836
9070xt is better on linux and has more stable windows drivers
5070ti is a gacha gamble on if it will even work or cable melt but if it doesnt then it will do better in productivity.

>>107278836
Please get a 9070 XT, you retards deserve it, in a year or two when your dogshit card ages like shit i'l llaugh at you

>>107278940
Okay, so did your final overclock minus stock clock wind up being cleanly divisible by a particular number between those which you've listed? It was easy before because I knew that the final OC would be divisible by 15 but now I'm lost. I have one reference, which is Techpowerup's review of my card and he got +538mhz over stock boost so I'm lost

>>107278355
Could you at least link the pcpp or show the prices? Anyway that motherboard seems extremely expensive if you are buying it from an NZ store. If you are buying it on US Amazon it's not so bad but there are still much better options for the same price or cheaper.

>don't need new cpu now
>don't need new gpu now
>don't need more ram now
>don't need more ssds now
>fomo intensifies in real time
What do?

>>107279011
you can input values in increments of 1mhz but the gpu will round it off to the closest 7.5mhz anyway

>>1072790212
wait until the bubble pops or the market meets demand

>>107279021
poor guy he's missing out all the fun
as for me i'm be hunting gpus and ssds looking to turn a $1000 spend into $980.

>>107279029
meant for
>>107279021

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>>107279024
Man, that's tedious as fuck. Guess I'll go in larger steps of 60 or 90 then dial it in from there. Thanks though because I couldn't find good concise info on that anywhere

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>>107278572
>The 4TB NVMe drive I bought last week now costs $40 more.
Black Friday & Cyber Monday waiters are not going to have fun.

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seems asus pulled the trigger on their amd deals earlier than their competition

Red Devil
XFX Mercury
Gigabyte Elite or Gaming
Asrock Taichi
for the 9070xt
whos got the least fail rates and best build quality?

>>107279167
all of the "elite" models of GPU have been bin tested
you can't really go wrong with any of them imo, although I prefer sapphire/asrock for their warranty service

US anons. paypal is doing a pay later in 4 and get 20% back deal right now. i think ill get a zotac 5070ti from microcenter. itll make it $650 (with taxes it would go from 750 to 800 so im taking 20% from that) i scrapped metal this month amd got $150, and when i sell my current used gpu (3070 ti) i will basically be paying like $240 or so net on the card.

any anons see a flaw in this plan?

>>107279167
Red Devil or the Mercury if you prefer the 8-pin power connectors.

>>107279286
If you can afford that total cost, sure.

>>107279352
ya i can afford it. i have alot of savings but have been trying to find a way to weasel as much cost off the 5070ti as i can. this paypal and other funds will help alot to pay for it comfortably. thougg darn microcenter doesnt seem to accept paypal. best buy it is then

>>107278952
Like 360-400 used on ebay

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>>107277906
>>107277827
amd cpu nvidia gpu CHADS HOW WE FEELIN?

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I'm gonna buy an OLED monitor! yay

do any of you have curved monitors? how do you like them?? some of them are pretty good deals rn

>>107279528
the 1600R curve on my aw3423dw doesnt bother me at all. it actually makes the image look like its straight when you're sitted in front of it

>>107279528
>do any of you have curved monitors
no, it's shit, don't do it

Ordered SN850x because samsung is $40 more expensive, is it okay to use it for OS?
My 12 years old samsung ssd still running good, is there a benefit going 4th gen for OS?
Do I run games on separate nvme or on OS nmve? what's the general recommendation?

>>107279537
hmm one of the newer model alienware curved ones is on sale right now. what GPU are you running though I have a 4070ti (ik ik) but I don't want to take a huge framerate loss on some meme resolution

>>107279543
I'm gonna go look at bestbuy and see one irl but yeah my first impression is it seems kinda weird

>>107279550
look at new tandem woled gigabyte monitor, decent calibration and good gamma curve
seems to be the best mid range monitor right now
if you want it very cheap go MSI x24(I think?), they are fine but calibration is mid
and expensive, over $800, models are all good

>>107279550
im currently using a 5090 though its quite overkill for 3440x1440. based on techpowerup's relative performance chart, i'd say that a 4080 or 5070ti is enough to provide a comfortable framerate in most games. if you're planning on gettign a 34" ultrawide, you'll probably need to reduce graphical settings to keep your framerate at 90+ fps at all times

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Is 100$ a good deal for this

>>107279528
curve = good if you watch it straight on, the edges are noticeably further away on a flat 32" monitor

curve = bad if you watch the monitor from 3m away and not straight on

>>107279611
$100 for 2tb is pretty reasonable, in the US you can find 2tb SSD's for $85 pretty often

>>107277774
>chinesium strikes again

>>107277774
>tfw you fail the luck check

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Am I doin it right

>>107279633
>curve = bad if you watch the monitor from 3m away and not straight on
I'm almost always straight on...but yeah. the Dell AW3225QF is $400 off, to $800 pretty tempting but I hate alienware for some reason idk almost tempted to spend the extra $100 for the Asus monitor with the same panel and flat screen

>>107279559
I'll take a look! I was hoping for a 32"

>>107279563
yeah I figured I'd wait for 6000 series to release if my 4070ti isn't up to par but idk I saw some 5080s at around MSRP that's a pretty good deal I GUESS compared to the scalper situation of late

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should I cancel this for a ASUS Dual Radeon RX 9060 XT 16GB? i'm paying 400 for the 5060ti after rebate, and the asus card is 340. i'm not sure if there's a bad rep for either the 2x oc ventus or the asus.

>>107279709
ur a pro

>>107279715
Beware that the aw3225qf has an annoying whiny fan that runs most of the time
I think the Asus equivalent is the best implementation of the same qd-oled panel used on the aw3225qf

>>107279718
I'm seeing 9060xt's on amazon for $250...unless you're a cancuk or something. idk which card is better though

>>107279709
weld it

>>107279743
those are the 8gb ones

Asrock mobos still melting 9800s?

>>107279758
probably not but given theres alternatives why take the risk

>>107278241
it did hit the floor, his right hand thumb wasn't even touching it, he simply let it fell on the ground, the build quality is shit, but this is an user mistake

>>107279764
Nope it didn't hit the floor you can clearly see a gap it just shifted down a little bit. Again it doesn't matter even if it did, glass moving 1mph half an inch should not shatter.

>>107279550
>I'm gonna go look at bestbuy and see one irl
the best idea

>>107279761
nova just seems so fucking good
its got features 100 dollars ahead of its class

>>107279775
if you're buying 9800x3d you're a gamer and dont need high end mobo features

>>107279775
that the nova routes 4 of its 5 m.2. drives through the chipset's x4 lanes is pretty retarded IMO
i find msi's and gigabyte's refresh boards' usb4 <-> m.2. bifurcation much more sensible than the nova's usage of lanes

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>>107279770
it hit the floor
it was his mistake
his right hand wasn't supporting the panel
and he pulled thumb screw with his left hand

>>107279718
nah

>>107278241
Hi I make glass for a living, yes it absolutely can. Glass is most fragile on the edges and he dropped it on its edge.

>>107279786
>i find msi's and gigabyte's refresh boards
which ones are those?
I haven't seen anything new on amazon yet

>>107279790
why not? is it not worth the 60 dollar difference?

>>107279814
All of msi's x870 boards (pre- and post- "max" refresh) have that kind of pcie routing
The gigabyte boards I was referring to are the 3 new models namely the x870e Aorus elite x3d ice, x870e Aorus pro x3d ice and x870e Aorus master x3d ice

>>107279826
you already bought it, its $60
why did you want the amd over the nvidia?
you can do what you like, I just dont see a point
besides the $60

>>107279871
i was wondering if it's worth the 60 dollars essentially

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>undervolted my 5090
>dropped from 600w to 500w
>temps dropped by 10c
this is magic

What would be a good B850 board that
- has 3x m.2
- has a PCIE 4x1 slot or larger, that doesn't share speed with any of the m.2 ports
- has the lowest possible power draw (so fewer VRMs, no extra USB chips, etc)

Gigabyte B850M Force maybe?

use case is making sure I get the lowest idle power drain. I'm currently on a B550M Steel Legend that uses only 20W when idle. I tried a B850M TUF before but it idled at around 40W instead, probably due to the extra VRMs and an extra USB hub on the back.

>>107279890
Usecase for a 5090 besides AI sloppa and overindulgent decadent gayming at 4K high refresh rate with path tracing?

>>107279916
recursive seethe generator from amdrones

>>107279916
its not like thing loses value over time

>>107279922
Fair. I still think nobody needs more than a 5070 Ti, maybe a 5080 if you really want to do 4K instead of 1440p.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-New-GPU-IP-Graphics-12.1
should I cancel my 9070 xt purchase?

>>107279954
Sure, if you don't mind waiting for 1-2 years until their new card.

>>107279916
Investment so you can buy a 6090 for free

>>107279878
the 5060TI will show a step ahead of the 9060xt in every benchmark and you get access to the nvidia shit
is that worth 60$? it was for me, can't speak about your money

>>107279961
if it's already being patched I assume it'll launch in 2026

I had to speed buy a 4060 at a bad time so looking to upgrade before goys are priced out of GPUs forever. Is the 4070 super still a price worthy card? I'm not going to play the latest AAA goyslop anyways so I don't need a 5090 or anything.

>>107279975
Wait until CES 2025 in January, if they have anything new, they'll announce it there.

>>107279988
you really don't need anything more than that

seeing all the discussion about socket longevity I have a retard question
GPUs are all compatible with everything, right? They just use the same PCI connector and form factor, right?

>>107279988
how much are you paying for that 4070 super? cause i would probably look on a 5070 if available

>>107280019
Yes you could slot a 5090 on an AM4 b450 board with a 3600x cpu if you wan as long as the psu has the connectors
However pcie lanes have also seen small improvements to speed

>>107279988
>4070 super
might as well go for a 5070 then

used 40 series prices are riduclous
there's ONE listing for a used 4070 Super and it costs more than a brand new 5070, are people fucking retarded? give me that shit for 400 euro, it doesn't even have MFG and will end driver support 1 year earlier than a 5070

>>107280075
dont tell us, tell whoever is selling it anon

>>107280019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

all modern cards use PCIe x16
they do not all share the same form factor
meaning 750ti =/= 4090
see form factors section on that wiki page

>>107280099
>all modern cards
all modern GPU's

AI bubble bursting is going to kill whats left of the cripto bubble, the world is healing, we'll go back to 2000s hardware prices before 2030
https://x.com/spectatorindex/status/1991788219118301405

>ssd out for delivery today
>psu sent out, will be here tuesday
>case in limbo
My divine punishment for ordering from 3 different places trying to save 10 bucks total

>>107280099
>all modern cards use PCIe x16
*most

>>107280163
buy the dip
tech oligarchs won't let their entire empire collapse like Rome
all the money is fake anyway

>>107280031
>>107280039
Wasn't the 50 series a dud? Looking at the 5070 it is equal if not even cheaper. What brand/type do you recommend in that case or are they all pretty much the same?

>>107280229
it had a lot of teething issues at launch that's mostly been ironed out
get the cheapest 5070 that has the biggest cooler you can find

>>107280214
nah, we're going back to a world that makes sense, as before 2008, debt matters, inflation matters, interest rates above zero, money going to profitable things instead of tech scams.

>>107280245
>debt matters, inflation matters
The US would never allow this. You're looking at WW3 if we approach that scenario

>>107280205
>>107280109

>new thread >>107280257
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>new thread >>107280257
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this one has reached bump limit

>>107280262
you got that backwards son

>>107280229
>Wasn't the 50 series a dud?
We got another live one here boys