>Finally rework my Typface Monospace
>Desolder all the switches and remove them
>Spring swap all the switches to 55g 22mm Geon springs
>The painfully heavy 70g springs are gone
>The spring ping that I mistook for case resonance is gone
>Spray-paint the plate black so the silver aluminum showing between the black keycaps is gone
>Test it before soldering, everything sounds and feels perfect
>Solder it together
>Spacebar has some weird ping/rattle now that wasn't there before
Fucking kill me

>>107389895
>take keycap off
>poke around, investage
>put keycap back on
>ping is gone for a minute
>start typing this post
>it reappears for a second right as I'm typing the words "ping is gone" then disappears again
Man what the fuck. I hate keyboards

Also,
>with the spring ping gone now I can actually hear the much more subtle case resonance

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>open up keyboard
>desolder caps locks
>my uncle molests me
>solder in a blue rbg instead of the red one
>red reminds me of the blood on my sheets
>solder caps locks key back on
>now whenever I press caps lock the light is blue
>think about killing myself daily
>I love keyboard

>>107390467
you ok bro?

>>107390467
Why do you even do that? You're just going to get cheeto dust in the grooves of your soldered on switches and eventually dump a whole mountain dew all over it as your uncle molests you.

>>107389855
membranes are good enough
TAPA TAPA TAPA TAPA

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Memeboard arrived from Drop.
Same width as tkl for joystick, buttons, layer indicator and knobs that are pretty useless. Decent weight and build quality.

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>>107385134
doubt. look at the usb connector on both, if they're in different places then it surely won't fit. let alone if they're different mounts for pcb.
just look for wood keyboard on aliexpress and see what you find

>>107389855
Im a total newfag, sorry for my ignorance. I want to bild a keyboard as I am sick of this shit. In picrel is redragon slop with broken row of keys '5tgb ' (yes thats space bar).

I would like to just buy a new 60% board and put it here instead of this crappy one. Also I would love if it wasn't USB-C as I don't have tools good enough to work on it when it breaks. All I want is nkey roll over so i can press at least 8 keys at once. (rocket league fag)


>Budget
20eur
>Location (continent at least)
europe
>Preferred switch type
have them already
>Layout
Doesn't matter
>Form factor
60%
>Backlight
doesn't matter
>Previous/current keyboards
redragon k630

Cherry's management needs to burned at the stakes. I'm so tired of all this crippled 65/76/5/80% chink bullshit.

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Being able to wake the PC from any state using a hotkey/passphrase is such an underrated feature

Trying to figure out what switches to order for my new keyboard. I don't have a lot of options to choose from, but most kailh and cherry switches seem to be available.
I currently use cherry MX browns but I don't like them much, they feel too heavy. Thinking about going with linears this time around, as most people seem to prefer them for gaming? My fingers also get tired from time to time when typing on the browns, because I'm getting old and have some wrist/hand issues due to excessive computer use I guess.
But very light linear switches scare me a bit, because I might accidentally press them by leaning my fingers on them too much right? I don't like hovering over the keys, I rest my fingers on them when I'm not typing. Is that an issue or?

>>107392462
do modern motherboards still have some breakout on the pcb for it?

>>107393453
I don't know, because I don't buy motherboards without a PS/2 port. I haven't had any issue finding ones that do so far. Motherboards should still have a serial header, but I don't know whether you can just plug some PS/2 module into it.

>>107393569
mine has the serial breakout but gotta look up if there's soem adapter for it.
regarding ps/2 boards...dude, there's other priorities when choosing one. like adequate vrm for cpu that I plan on using, cooling for said vrm, pcie bifurcation, available lanes, ssd lane allocation so they don't get bottleneckd on same ones etc. finding one with ps/2 on top of everything else is not happening lmao
but I don't doubt you are able to find one, if that's the only thing you're looking for.

>>107393764
What can I say, I don't need crazy specs, but PS/2 is a hard requirement for me. I quite like having fewer options to choose from, for some autistic reason or another.

>>107393064
how are browns too heavy for you? i was gonna recommend something but im legitimately stumped now. usually browns are so lacking in tactility that they feel like linears and they’re never known for being heavy or anything either. honestly, lower spring weight will make any tactility more pronounced so before ditching the browns i’d suggest just buying some 53g springs and spring swapping them

>>107393889
>53g
or however light you can get*

>>107392307
So get a 100% and stop crying about it?

>>107391137
weeb

any idea why Keychron uses RGB LEDs + LED matrix chip instead of digital LEDs? I mean the 4 connections on the LED package are R/G/B cathode + one anode. and they're connected to a LED matrix chip, which is controlled via SPI, from micro.
the digital LEDs have V/GND and DIN/DOUT and they're all in series for data.
so they end up using two SPI LED matrix chips, on top of the LEDs, and that's for a 75%, so they probably use 3 LED matrix chips. how is that more cost effective? or is that more reliable or something?

>>107394463
>so they probably use 3 LED matrix chips
for 100% layouts

>>107392127
>picrel
??

>>107393889
Browns have 60g springs. It's totally normal for some people to find that too heavy.

>>107391363
Yeah, didn't really find anything I liked. I think I'll just buy some keycaps and switches as stock seems to be dwindling for the stuff I like and wait for something interesting to come out. I'll have to clean the membranes and bolt mod my model M to hold over.

I saw someone selling a Unicomp new model M used for like $80, did I make a mistake not picking it up? It's the only listing I saw in the country

>>107394875
probably, unless it was the pre-picopi USB version, which can get fucked.

>>107393814
I found these two adapters, would they work like that?
this one seems to connect on the serial port on mobo:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143533094853
and this one is a pcie adapter:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/194886206840
both seem interesting

what is the best 2.4GHz keyboard out right now?

>>107392127
>20 euro budget
>needs to be able to service the USB port himself
>only requirement is it works for Rocket League
..the most Europoor post of all time. I kneel.

>>107396645
that's worse than eastern europoor

Got a keychron k10 max. how do i turn off the num lock red light, that shit is stupid. i never turn off num lock as i use the num pad all the time...

>>107397150
on my P1 HE I do have another led for win key and caps lock, weirdly enough. they're not used by default, but I noticed their defs in QMK as well. I think it's possible to switch to them. pop the key&switch and check if there's another smd led in parallel to the RGB one.

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Speaking of Keychron, I emailed them a couple days ago and they still havent responded. Do they hate potential customers or something?

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>>107397185
the smaller one should be piss-weak, so you won't notice it on top of the rgb one. but no clue how to activate it in QMK

>>107397150
just don't define the num lock index in the qmk file that has that

>>107394366
Go chop off up another keyboard as if it's your body, tranny.

>>107397201
How old are you? There's no customer support with chinks, never was. Use the chat on Ali if you're really desperate.

>>107397201
why cant you answer your own question bvia research? a real man values not needing to ask for help

>>107392307
Found the 100% tranny

I need the cheapest split/ergo keyboard just to find out if i'll like it.
Europe here.
If anyone wants to recommend aliexpress, please give me a link to something legit.

TX Springs pinged, Geon springs don't ping at all. I have to hand it to him.

Anyone else get too excited to go monkeytype and make a typo in the address bar from trying to type too fast?

>>107399074
I just got this one with the 11.11 sale, its great
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005010096398129.html

>>107399470
Looks pretty cool to me.
It's not hot swap, right? What kind of switches it has?

>GODsized obsessed troon still having a meltdown
Bros, I think we mindbroke him a bit too hard over his love of gayers. Should we apologize?

>monsgeek fun60 pro
>27€
>wooting 60he v2
>270€
which one

>>107400320
wooting easily, it's the finest piece of pure technology we've seen in keyboards since MX cherries were created

>>107400688
TEN times the price and you can get tmr switches in that china board
but I think it's not even being sold, sold out
only ansi in stock too
tmr is even pricier too
literally the same shit minus features though
I'll hold until I make a desktop anyway

>>107400826
you're like the idiot last thread complaining about the logitech pro x

you don't know more than the free market, stop

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>>107400688
>wooting easily, it's the finest piece of pure technology we've seen in keyboards since MX cherries were created

>>107400320
>getting a 60%
you've already lost

can i plug the 3.5mm plug of a split keyboard to a bluetooth transciever, connect that to a receiver plugged into the other bit and will it work as a "wireless bluetooth" split?
obvs the actual keyboard will be plugged via cable.

>>107401920
The split cable for a board will have (at least) data, VBUS and GND. So if said transceiver can supply the voltage & data on the correct pins then maybe.

>>107401349
fucking retard wants me to use a full-size keyboard as my gaming board, should have realised /mkg/ was full of trog retards

>>107400320
neither

venom + frog mini

>>107402255
I hate to say it but 75 is the ideal gamer board

>>107399573
its hotswap. grey wood v4 linear switches. thought I wouldn't like linear as I never had them, but I prefer these over cherry mx brown. the software is also cool, you get a gui and it updates live and also wirelessly, so its super convenient

Ever since redoing my spacebar, making sure the wire was straight etc I've had some of the worst ticking I've ever had. And it actually was basically fine before.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. How many times do I have to relearn that lesson the hard way? What's wrong with me?

>>107403853
perfectionism is a hell of a curse

>>107404031
le mieux est l'ennemi du bien...

>>107403853
>Ever since redoing my spacebar, making sure the wire was straight etc
Wire straightening is incredibly difficult, and very viable to completely fuck up everything unless you're being extremely precise.

Couple things, though; sometimes it can be from loose keycaps. Try stuffing some plastic wrap into your caps to tighten the fit and see if it makes a difference. My left shift used to be rattle free until I took it off to clean too many times, and it became too loose on the stab, causing it to tick again. I put some plastic wrap in there and voila.

>>107404031
When Pope Benedict asked Giotto for a drawing to prove his worth as an artist, Giotto drew a perfect circle - freehand ... perfection is a powerful message.

I was trying to put my finger on what it is about my typface monospace with 55g 22m spring swapped mx browns that is so jarring after using my CK brutal v2 1800 with 14mm 67g mx browns for a while, and I just figured it out. It's so fucking loud. This is maybe the boomiest clackiest keyboard I own, and the Brutal V2 is very muted and pleasant. This is exacerbated by the spring lengths, with short heavy springs tending to cushion the bottom-out while light and long makes you strike the bottom with force. And the 1.6mm thick pbt keycaps on that one are, again, a little quieter than the Keykobo ABS on this one. And half gasket mount is quieter than top mount.

It's just surprising how two keyboards can be so different while being superficially somewhat similar. Both alu plate, both mx browns, both aluminum cases and cherry profile keycaps, both sorta full-size but not quite. But on sound and feel they're nothing alike.

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nth for eggplant switches.

lanes R2 when? I don't want loud clicky melodics

Maybe I should program my own typing software.

>>107405242
shouldn't be that hard if you only need to support 1 board

>>107389855
Modding switches is the easiest thing in the world. Just add +100 to dexterity and you can do it real fast without missing a beat!

>>107399341
Geon only for a reason, brother. He is in absolute peak form right now.

>>107399341
not sure if you're joking or not, but geon springs are absolute ass

>>107406156
Yeah I lubed them and they still have a bit of ping, seems we have another dickrider/shill on our hands here besides the magnetroon.

>>107406341
geon springs tend to have a lot of crunch and ping, the only ones that have been consistently good for me are tx

>>107406156
I'm only a little bit joking. It's a straightforward description of what happened: my TX springs pinged, and I switched to Geon springs, and these don't ping. I do have other boards with TX springs that don't ping, so it's entirely possible I fucked up lubing them or something.

I do have to wonder what you think is "absolute ass" about Geon springs. These seem to be just fine.

Geon be like BRO DON'T USE ANY OTHER KEYBOARD EXCEPT MY F1
>BRO
>COPPER WEIGHTS AND NOTHING IN BETWEEN
>USE NOTHING EXCEPT MX BLACKS (DID I MENTION I SELL THEM?)
>BE SURE TO MOD THEM WITH MY SPRINGS AS WELL
>YOUTUBE SOUND TEST "F1-8X V2 WITH MX BLACKS GEON SPRINGS 205GO ON STEM 107 ON SPRINGS LET'S FUCKING GO ALU V1.1 HAND SOLDERED GALATEA PCB"
>CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK
>"SOUNDS SO FUCKING GOOD BRO"
>CLAAAAAAAAAAACK

>>107401126
can you explain what you mean by this

>>107401349
I'd consider a tkl or 75 to optimize my starcraft F keys but it's not that serious

>>107402692
QRD ?

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>don't worry bro! Everyone goes back to Cherry for their endgame!
>GeonScience guarantees a solid typing experience combined with unimaginable acoustics bro
>this is the Stradivarius of keyboards bro! Just take the chance and buy it!

Geonstans nowhere to be seen

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>Any switch that's linear or has an actuation force of less than 55 grams is trash.
the guy in picrel told me this. is he right?

>>107408885
Something nobody ever mentions in this discussion is that it depends enormously on whether you type correctly. A lot of the 70g+ guys are two finger. When I switched to ten finger my preference shifted 10-15g lighter

>>107408796
I mean I have an F1 but it has Alps in it so I have no stake in this man's autistic ramblings

>>107408885
my hands are pretty clever, 35-45g is optimal for me

>>107408885
Yeah, linear switches suck.

GEONNNNNNNNNN

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>>107408885
I haven't tried either of those, but I wouldn't trust the word of a gachimuchi mac fag either

>>107408885
Wrong. Gateron Smoothies beg to fucking differ.

Riddle me this, Geonsissies.
If the goal is to turn a keyboard into a musical instrument, what good does it do to completely shun foam inside the case?
Sound filtering, dampening, these are all integral to how sound is shaped. Geon sells foam kits for all his TKLs because he knows it. Why do you not accept it?
>inb4 muh alu v1.1 and retooled blacks is all I need hurr

>>107409829
Geonbros it’s over… we spent $400 for nothing

>>107409829
>Riddle me this: If the goal is to turn a trumpet into a musical instrument, what good does it do to completely shun foam inside the instrument?

Wait until keyboard enthusiasts find out many top tier brass instruments have $1000 foam pads in them

Evo80>geon

>>107410050
Yeah I somehow doubt they line the entire interior with poron foam

>>107409829
Are you the dude who got pissed off when F1 users were saying that ping and reverb was an issue inherent to bad keyboard design and that foam isn't necessary to avoid those issues? Because it sure sounds like it

>>107410130
unironically this

>>107409829
foam boards all sound the same and it’s easy to make any board sound okay by stuffing it with foam. it’s much harder for a board to sound good on its own without foam

frankly the sound of foam is just boring and overused at this point

Anyone else feel like there's a ceiling to this hobby that you hit real quick? Unless you're just a consoomer who hoards stacks of keyboards and keycaps.

>>107412040
nothing has exactly everything i want. my end game keyboard will involve buying a cnc

>>107412105
Just buy that 6k keyboard with the 100k stabilizers

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>>107412040
yeah .... hahah.... the ceiling is totally there..... gonna hit it at any moment

*hides schematics ofan exotic switch-type PCB of a keyboard where the keys double as a microphone and have haptic feedback*

>>107412040
yes
it's the tech nerd equivalent of watch, shoe, or food faggotry

Haimu Heavy Tactiles > whatever else exists. Now this is what I call a heavy and substantial keystroke. BOOM BOOM BOOM goes the keyboard with each press of my fingers.

>>107412040
If you find:
>Switches that you like
>Keycaps that feel nice
>A layout that makes sense for you
>Maybe some nice features e.g. macro keys, volume knob, or wireless connectivity
Then there's literally no reason to get anything else until your keyboard falls apart

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>>107402255
how the fuck are you gonna play anything other than call of duty?

>>107412371
yeah but I like taking apart keyboards and assembling them and handling metal and plastic plates and breaking down switches and tuning them it makes me feel special like a badass mechanic and also a total plebbitor, I wish I wasn't so self-aware I want to be a paypig to keyboard manufacturers and destroy my finances by hoarding endless fancy keyboards hahahahahaha

>>107402255
Ah yes full-size boards will hurt your soul, deep-deep down. Just get a Wooting and be at peace.

what's the cheapest usable 75 I can get off Ali?

>>107412166
>50mm front case height
>0 degree typing angle
I wouldn’t use a seneca if you gave me one for free. wouldn’t mind using the aliexpress version of the stabilizers though

>>107412420
The new Typeplus ones come real close to whatever those 100k ones might be like. Using these for the first time has been a revelation. They are simply peerless.

>>107407857
>>107408047
True, but you can also just extend that to most other new keyboard these days, too. They all sound the same and have the same faggy hype shit around it. Especially the troon% boards. Every single sound test sounds the same.

>>107402255
Move out of your third world country so you can have a bigger house and thus a bigger desk.

>>107412040
i feel the same way unless you get more into the diy parts of the hobby like making your own split ergo layouts

>>107412497
>Every single sound test sounds the same.
Better than scamming youtubers making fake sound test videos with post-production filters to make the keys sound like something no one will ever achieve natty IRL

>>107412524
I like TKLs because they give me enough space to hold my arms naturally, but still have enough space between my mouse and the right side of my keyboard to make sweeping motions to the left with my right hand.
I can see going down to 75% if you're really short and therefore have comparatively short arms and narrow shoulders. Anything below that makes no sense to me.

>>107412615
kek hipyo tech dubs the same sound of topre switches over all of his meme boards

>>107412652
I have never had any issues with mouse space, even using my hilariously large terminal boards. I understand some people like having retardedly low DPI because gaymers tell them too, but I don't get the point of talking about "resting my arms naturally" as a benefit, but then talking about how you make large sweeping motions with a mouse. Seems a bit contradictory, no?
Still, that's nowhere near as bad as another autist who, if I recall, cried about mouse space in the past but then admitted to using a trackball. I hope he got a handler already.

>>107412652
huh? the position of your arms should be the same regardless of whether you’re using a 60% or 100%, unless we’re talking a shitty 40% ortholinear non-split board

>>107412984
Some of us have desks that sit higher than our elbows.

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Keyboards for this feel?

>>107412395
>>107412524
It's solely to play cs2 on, im not even going to be typing on it, kinda why was hoping a cheap HE would work but wooting is the only one with sub 1 ms input

>>107412984
its not about the position of arms (ok I guess it kinda is ultimately), I need as much mouse pad space as possible, my mouse pad is 500mm x 500mm and I use all of it over the course of a game.

>>107413143
lol this nigga worries about 1ms.
its not going to make you better.
and if you were good enough to play in tournaments you'd realise that everyone at high level cheats so its pointless anyway.
just get the cheaper one.

>>107412652
>Anything below that makes no sense to me.
dactyls
they're the endgame in terms of comfort

>>107413165
bro my mouse has a built-in microcontroller that auto-corrects my aim by a few pixels, why the heck do you think I care about being 1 ms faster than the other cheaters in the first place

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>>107413215

>>107413215
My God.... so all of this time Wooting is primarily marketed to aimbots so they can be 1 ms faster than other aimbots...?

years ago i bought a glorious hotswap board (yeah yeah i know) and after installing all the switches (box jades iirc) it worked for a day or two and then died (some switches were impossible to remove, some were loose as all hell)
i got a replacement but never got around to even opening the box, what are the chances it will happen again? did i do something retarded or is the qc that bad?

>>107413526
Did you get a replacement for free? If not, I'd never buy or use another one of their boards again

>>107413526
GMMK PCB is worse than aliexpress keyboards, its gotten a tiny bit better but i wouldnt trust their boards yet

>>107413559
yeah the replacement was free (from a retailer, not directly from glorious)
>>107413570
at the time that was the only option i found that fit my requirements (media keys, ISO, hotswap, backlight? forgot if it even had one desu) and that wouldn't take months and months to arrive

>>107413633
oh and obviously full size

I have made it my personal mission to acquire every single Geonsissy board in existence (75% and above only).

>>107413694
The f1 v2 is their one hit wonder, no need for anything else

>>107413846
What about the Glare TKL?

Which key sounds worst on your keyboard? On my current one it's tab, on my last one it was spacebar

Is there anything that's similar to Zeal Clickiez that are easily obtainable and doesn't bankrupt me?
I want a good sounding clicky switch.

>>107414202
No, not really. People might say Melodics but they're not that similar.

>>107414202
Gateron harmonic or melodic are the closest that are easily available.

>>107414202
Just get the Box White V2. Be happy with it, because it's cheap af.

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>>107413334
>>107413384
It is what it is

>>107413131
I assume she has a penis? Keychron q14 Alice full

>>107414782
she's got a peenus. Although it doesn't work anymore like it would on a man. Hahaha

are linear switches shit for gaming?
is there any advantage to using magnetic?

>>107390467
a someone who doesn't have a numpad I feel personally attacked...

>>107415050
linear switches are common for gaming but it's all preference. HE/TMR are virtually exclusively linear and are a gimmick technology that gives you analog control to do different things based on how hard you're pressing, the most charitable example would be being able to move slowly in a stealth game based on how softly you're pressing wasd

So I did not end up buying the replacement switches, I just glued the keycap back on and everything is fine. Low profile still fucks. Fucks.

>>107415050
No linear switches have gained popularity because they give you the most control for gaming

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I found my endgame

What about the Glare TKL?

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>>107390467
>buy a keyboard with blue indicator leds from the factory
>have missionary sex with my wife afterwards
>I love keyboard

>bro you need to buy the correct PCB to get the most clack out of your F1 bro
>avoid solder and Apollo boards bro get hotswap only if you want your blacks to clack
Ge-g-eon only, bros...

i have no idea what the above poster is even saying, let alone how to formulate a response
i'm happy with my current keyboard, i'm leaving this shitty "community" and never coming back

>>107415758
Enjoy typing on your foamless clacker lmao
wobbly ass switches hanging on their own
no two ones respond alike because they're fucked in place without support
you need support from a switch pad sheet and a big wall of foam between the PCB and the plate
it's all very elementary

>>107413143
>sub 1ms input
Jesus Christ, even ignoring your trolling about using cheats it literally doesn't matter. So long as your keyboard is at 500hz or higher you're fine. For mice it actually matters, but not for registering click inputs, but the movement of the mouse itself. You can test that with any gaymer mouse and knocking the polling rate down to 125 then comparing it to 1000 or more.
Any switch input, on the other hand, whether on a mouse (left/right click) or keyboard keys is, in reality, not going to be any "faster" in any given game's engine than your opponents. That's just due to how game engines work, but also the fact that as a human you consciously cannot take advantage of that polling rate as it's way faster than your reaction speed, shit does not sync up.
Just get better cheats.

>>107415827
but anon, with lower input delay and a higher refresh rate there's a microscopically greater chance that my keyboard input comes out one tick/frame earlier than it otherwise would have
>it doesn't matter
we'll see who's laughing when my win rate increases by 0.000000000001 percent

>>107415799
imagine using foamless as an insult

>>107416043
WOBBLE WOBBLE
fucking cultists

>>107416232
the only cultist here is (You)

why the fuck won't VIA recognise any of my fucking keyboards it just keeps showing that dumb rocking emoji even though my devices ALWAYS show up but NOTHING happens FUFCKCKKC

>>107416344
Do you need to upload a json for those ones?

yo why is my caps lock toggling left win

>>107416344
if you're on linux did you set the udev rule? try actually running it locally because the in browser shit is garbage sometimes

>>107416609
Get a new pcb.

>>107415993
I appreciate the sarcasm, but unfortunately this minmax mindset has surpassed autism and just become faggotry that sucks the fun out of everything.
I guess if people want to get scammed by more snake oil marketing BS, that's on them, but it unfortunately shits up the rest of this medium. If these retards had it there way everyone would be making analog keyboards only now. It's already bad enough that the minimalized sound and "THOCC CREAMY CLACK" cancer is in product descriptions now.

>>107413143
>but wooting is the only one with sub 1 ms input
fake news. Keychron recently released some HE 8kHz models. sub 1ms

>>107416344
VIA "talks" to the keyboard via a separate interface, which is blocked on Linux. you need a udev rule to allow it to talk to it. the udev rule is retarded because it gives FULL access to also your keyboard output, to any app, as a regular user. so your random app can register all your key presses. you can tweak that udev rule to allow access only to VIA interface.
then, if you got a Keychron HE at least, in VIA online interface you need to enable designer tab, go into that, load the json you find on Keychron's website, and then you get access via VIA

Neo80 cu, thoughts?

>>107418561
copper/brass bottom pieces are stupid

>>107401347
I made a little picotracker recently which is a DIY music tracker with cherries, I love it so much...

>>107417978
No they didn't, none of keychrons HE boards are sub 1 ms

>>107418769
Go fuck yourself retard.
>>107418561
Fantastic. Fucking buy it already.

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>>107419156
>insists in being retarded
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q3-he-8k-magnetic-switch-keyboard

>>107415827
>500hz or higher you're fine
No, that is 8ms delay, and it is completely unacceptable in modern competitive games. Not even most 1000hz boards are true 1.3ms, most of them still are around 3-4ms delay.

HE boards are revolutionary because *they have the potential to break the sub 1 ms barrier.

and yes, mouses benefit from 8000hz polling much more than keyboards. But its still useful on a keyboard just because it removes a barrier.

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>>107419498
>Magnetic Field Sensitivity: up to 100 mV/V/Oe
how tf is this translated? 1 Oersted is 1 Gauss. and switches are 700-800Gauss at full press.
micro must be STM32F405

>>107413633
>ISO
>full size
gay retard tranny

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>>107419575
>500Hz is 8ms delay
kys moron

>Not even most 1000hz boards are true 1.3ms
my P1 HE is 1.17ms or something. but stock they come at 500Hz which is not great, but still under 3ms, tested by rtings.com
https://www.rtings.com/keyboard/reviews/lemokey/p1-he#test_6756

>HE boards are revolutionary because *they have the potential to break the sub 1 ms barrier.
yes and no. HE as in Hall Effect sensors can't, the way they're implemented in Keychron's HE line, (not 8K ones).
here's a typical HE sensor, similar to what's used in these keyboards:
https://www.allegromicro.com/-/media/files/datasheets/a1308-9-datasheet.pdf
I draw your attention to Operating Characteristics table values for tCLP and tPO, and also figures 1&2. that is the minimum wait time before taking an ADC reading after powering up the Hall Effect sensor.
the way Keychron implemented the analog sensor scan they're powering them on one column at a time, so they need time to settle, take a reading, move to the next column until one full read is performed. due to these waiting times (for accurate readings) they cannot break 1kHz and still have accurate readings.
their 8K HE line uses TMR sensors, but they kept HE naming so you know it's "magnetic shit" since customers got accustomed to the naming scheme. but they're using a different way of scanning the matrix, or sensors have way shorter settling times.

>>107419498
Imagine thinking just because its 8k polling its will always be sub 1 ms lol, tons of HE boards with 8k polling arent sub 1 ms

ill believe it once some benchmarks are released but so far Keychron is some of the laggiest boards out there their lemonkey is literally 2.9 ms which is abysmal for 1000k HE boards

>>107419684
>>500Hz is 8ms delay
yeah you dont know enough to even argue this im ignoring your post

>>107419702
>no argument
kek fucking brainlet
also you have the fucking tests right there, rtings.com tested most of them.

>>107419748
yes most 500hz boards are 10ms ish, Im being generious saying they are 8ms

>>107419595
>micro must be STM32F405
oh shit it's not, they say 480MHz and 2x16bit ADCs. that must be STM32H723/33 but those are 550MHz. There's also STM32H742/3/5 which are 480MHz and have 16bit ADCs. but they don't show up as supported in QMK. so they must have added support for them. 16bit ADCs, damn. now that's nice hardware in a keyboard. if they're using it

>>107419755
I do not care what fucking shit-example you can find to support your argument. my P1 HE is 500Hz stock, confirmed with QMK debug console for matrix scan rate, and it clocks at under 3ms in rtings.com testing. I also increased it to 1000Hz with some QMK mods, and it tests at ~1.17ms now, on controller testing software (for analog input)
so shut the fuck up

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>>107419839
>you can just look at rtings
>no I don't care about the 100s of examples of 500-1000hz boards that have >8ms latency
Ok bro im really happy you could modify your keychrons firmware so it doesn't preform like shit maybe they should hire you

STOP TALKING ABOUT GAYMER KEYBOARDS
IF IT'S NOT MECHANICAL, IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE

>hey bro buy my metal slab and use trash PCBs that failed QC
>so what if some keys stop working? It's the Geon experience bro
>bro
>BRO

Fucking garbage. Nothing works.

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pffffffft

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>NO YOU DON'T GET IT
>IT IS SUPERIOR TO FOAM BECAUSE IT'S A NAKED PIECE OF SHIT BUILD
>A DEAD SOUND IS THE MARK OF QUAILLITTY GEON ONLY /!!!!

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>HAHA SUCKER
>YOU DIDN'T GET THE MAGIC PCB THAT UNLOCKS THE MAGIC SOUND
>YOU'RE SOL NOW! ENJOY YOUR DEAD BRICK, BUDDY!

uh oh melty

Have some respect for the Stradivarius of keyboards.

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>>107421072
>tinny and hollow
>stradivarius

if you spent more than 70 bucks on your entire build then you got scammed
no exceptions
unless your board's made of solid gold

>>107420166
under 3s stock is pretty decent. any mod aside. for 500Hz matrix scan rate.
these are two different things anywa, scan rate and polling rate. scan rate is the rate QMK scans the matrix. polling rate pertains to USB protocol.
so, if you have a polling rate of 125hz, that's 8ms, best case scenario. whatever QMK does becomes irrelevant, even if it scans at 8khz, USB is capped at 125hz, so 8ms best case scenario.
mine is set at 1ms/1khz, for polling rate. and matrix scan is 500hz, so I can at most push it to 1khz for any benefit.
hight-speed usb 2.0 can do 0.125ms polling, or 8khz. once you have that, you need to set QMK matrix scan rate as close as possible to that.

>>107421555
>under 3s stock is pretty decent
this nigga using smoke signal keyboards lmao

What's like something below $50, easy to disassemble, hot-swappable, RGB backlight, mechanical keyboard?
75%

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>>107419575
>>107419702
>retarded pseud outs himself
>doubles, triples, quadruples, etc. down to try and save his ass from being embarrassed
WEW
I have to give my thanks >>107419684 to this anon for at least making an attempt, but he should know it's useless to try and convince dipshits like yourself. I'll chime in and add that there is far, far more factors that introduce latency than the polling rate of your keyboard, which ruin any and all perceived "benefit" of going from 500 to 1000, and certainly 1000 to 4 or 8000.
Thanks for informing all of us that you successfully fell for snake oil shit though, and both the "muh 8000hz" and magnetic switches snake oil shit at that LOL. Continue getting curb stomped by the occasional 35+ year olds using membrane boards like the G15 they bought 20 years ago, while you continue to cope and look for the next bit of hardware to explain away the fact you aren't at the top ranks.

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What the FUCK im sueing you niggers there were only 30 switches in this 20 dollar box what the FUCK whoever recommended this KILL YOURSELF what the fuck Im i supposed to do with only 30 switches for my full Keyboard DAMNIT FUCK YOU

>>107422612
I'm the guy who recommended it. On the amazon page it says "number of items: 35".Switches are sold in packs of 35 because it's easy to buy the right amount for 60% or 100% by buying 2 or 3 packs.

>>107422612
You bought it without checking the item count..?

>>107422612
hey thats half of a 40% split you just need another set and you have an actual good keyboard instead of 100%shit

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>>107422277
I have labs set up to test keyboard and mouse input, and have gone as far as to make my own keyboard and mouse. No amount of ignominious laughter will ever make me doubt the veracity of my input knowledge. Thanks for telling me stuff I already accounted for 20 years ago.

the problem with the other guy is he is a keychron fanboy, it is blinding him to the kernel of the argument

>>107422612
You only need 5 switches to type nigger. 6 if you want to have a separate enter key, or 2 if you're fine with using layers. That's enough switches for 5-15 keyboards right there.
What are you complaining about?

using 3dkeycap mx tilter kit since a few days on a ergodone. surprisingly comfy. recommended.

Best entry keyboard that won't fail within a year available on amazon?

>>107423090
>muh tests I set up myself
Oh, so you have the bad kind of autism that argues or rather worship theory above all and not real world use, neato. It's obvious from the way you speak that you couldn't even possibly fathom your testing methodology might be flawed or not actually work that way in real world use.
Just saying, but showing that an 8000hz input in a test registers as an 8000hz input is, again, not indicative of how they're actually handled in the real world by an OS + the game's engine + USB/wireless latency + firmware + the other several sources of latency. No one is arguing that 0.1 seconds and 0.0125 that the former is "just as fast as the latter", but when you account for several other factors this gap disappears completely. If you're playing a game whose engine is locked to 60fps then it's even more retarded to say.
Just saying, but if you were an engineer that worked on bridges or buildings and the like you would have likely cost thousands of people their lives by now with this retardedly naive mindset of "B-BUT IT WORKED IN TESTING!"
Thank God you're just a hopelessly self-sure retard on /g/.

>>107422612
lol :3

>>107421785
nvm, didn't care
bought some rainy 75
>inb4
don't care.

>>107424153
you did good

>>107424153
not proud, not disappointed
ok

>>107422612
I hate normie humor so, so much.

>>107423853
Rainy75

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>c- can you teach me to lube my s stabilizers the right way? The right way. Oops, sorry! I said that twice!

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>>107423921
I'm the other anon. I got more improvement from going 500Hz -> 1000Hz than I'd get from going 1000Hz -> 8000Hz. this is not debatable
I'm also designing my own analog numpad test platform to HE/TMR sensors and various ways of driving&sampling them. rough sketch, still a work in progress.
>>107423090
>I build shit
faggot

>>107423090
I'm also not a Keychron fanboy, they're accessible and QMK compatible. I'll probably make my own TMR PCB that can take any polarity switches, and have adjustable gain for max resolution no matter their magnet strength. had to buy one so I get up to speed with QMK and how they implemented the analog stuff, both software and hardware. and the case is pretty nice all things considered. worth the cost for both an analog keyboard and a learning platform

>>107422612
>for my full Keyboard
even if you buy two more sets it's still not enough lmao get fucked retard

Cheapest ISO keyboard with HE switches?

Cannot find any even on Aliexpress.

I really like the keycaps from Osume especially the strawberry milk one

Trying to get into custom keyboards, and I don't get it....

is there like... a main company that's making these kits?

Or do they have like a standard that everybody follows, how are the boards supposed to fit into the cases with all the stuff if everybody is making stuff to their own spec

>>107425516
There’s are specific layouts of keyboards like the 60/65% for gaming, 75/80%for function, 96/98/100% for work involving numpad, etc. it’s mostly the material and internal structure of the keyboard that’s different but they are similar enough in size to usually fit whatever the case size you get

>>107425516
some PCBs are made more “generic” to be compatible with multiple cases but for the most part every manufacturer just makes their own PCBs because it isn’t rocket science

what’s standardized are the switches and keycaps

>>107425516
The pcbs and cases are sold together in the vast majority of cases (no pun intended)

I want a numpad but unable to make my own choices in life so someone make them for me:
>/diy/ kit
>HE macro pad memes
>Keychron Q0 Max
Ideally it would be some combination of all three. /diy/ kit with Q0 max layout where the extra keys are HE
This is going to be kicad levels of /diy/ isn't it?

>original 1981 IBM PC Keyboard new old stock in retail box is being auctioned off at an estate sale
>have to drive on unpaved country road covered in snow for several miles to pick it up if I win

Should I bid?

>>107425119
oh god im the tmr guy, can you please like.... zoom into the part where you wire together the INA and the TMUX? i just cant get my head around how the two are supposed to interact together (also the capacitor placement is filtering me too)

(i got a INA823DR and a z-axis wheatstone bridge sensor TMR2584S that im working on rigging together too)

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>>107427089
since the wheatstone bridge has a differential output you need a two-channel analog switch. TMUX1309 should be fine for that.
you can also use two single channel switches, and use each output for +/- into instrumentation amplifier (INA82x)
TMR sensor/switch/instrumentation amplifier are powered from 5V for max dynamic range, and the opamp buffer is powered from 3.3V so no way of breaking ADC inputs, with >3.3V.
bonus: the two solderable jumpers can be used to switch the differential inputs in case you change switch magnet polarity

>>107427297
but the problem is you get 4 sensors at max per one ADC input. but that's fine for a numpad
so maybe use two 8ch single output switches.

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>>107427089
or like this with two single output switches. you can read 8 sensors on one ADC this way. not sure how to get more sensors on one ADC, maybe scan vertically and have 30 switches for 15 sensors (one row) but it kinda becomes retarded. they're not that expensive, TMUX switches, but they take up some space on the PCB.
I still think pulsing wheatstone bridges should work, but you need high side switching for the bridge (p-mos). this way no multiplexer is involved, and you need at most two bit-shifters. settling times should be a non-issue with purely resistive TMR sensors

>>107427493
>have 30 switches for 15 sensors
as in have 6 sensors (one column) on two single channel TMUX, and like x15 them for all columns. comes out at 30 chips. that takes up a lot of space. like a lot.

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so, if you're pulsing the sensors, you can have just two bit-shifters for all 15 columns

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and have all the outputs of a row tied together into the instrumentation amplifier, through diodes.
the downside is that signaling is inverted, from bit-shifter. but that could probably be fixed from software

>>107426999
>estate sale
>auction
no fuck that, an estate sale should be first come first serve

>>107427710
my bad, have all outputs from sensors on a column tied together into INA. this way you need only 6 ADC inputs (for each row). HC164 is plenty fast. and doubt there's any settling time for the TMR sensors, you can pulse them really fast, up to ADC limits, if PCB layout is up to par. this is cheaper and makes more sense. but for numpad I'll try TMUX switches as well.

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>>107427493
and you can have a SMD potentiometer in place of R25 (RG), so you can tweak the gain for sensors so you get max amplitude into ADC, on full press, no matter the magnet strength (as long as it doesn't saturate the sensor).

I love analog so fucking much it's unreal

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>>107427739
ah shit my bad again, first time was right, outputs from all sensors on a single row tied together into INA, but their power supply tied together on each column. this way when bit-shifter powers one column at a time, only one sensor from each row (that are tied together through diodes) has voltage output into INA. I'm le tired

>>107426732
I saw one exactly like that for $50 on Amazon

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>>107427089
and here's another trick you can pull, if you have an extra opamp. I have one free one from a dual package, so I might add this option.
so, you can set its positive input to 1/2 of 3.3V, and have its output feed into Vref for all INA chips.
what this does is add the otherwise normal output of the INA on top of this voltage. so anything out of sensor + amplified on top of 1.65V (3.3V/2)
why is this good, well, if you think about it, you'll have 1.65V into ADC at all times, so this can be your no key pressed state. once a key is pressed it either goes towards 3.3V either 0V. depending on the polarity of the switch.
you lose half total ADC range, so basically 1bit, but still even 10bits are more than enough for the travel of one key (~4mm). I think it's worth it for compatibility will both kinds of switches. you can set this in calibration in software. if key goes higher than no press state it's one polarity, if it goes lower when you press it then it's the other polarity. and that's about it.
1.65V is still plenty range no press -> full press. I barely get 1V on my hall effect sensors and I get 10bit range, on my P1 HE.

so picrel one side is one polarity, the difference between inverting/noninverting INA inputs is amplified two times (100K RG resistor) and added or subtracted on/from 1.65V.
if Vref is tied to ground, you're stuck with one magnet polarity, the other won't work.
I think this is a cleaner way to support both types of switch magnet polarity. or else you need to switch the inputs into INA, somehow, either an analog switch, either jumpers, which adds complexity or is not as practical. calibration can autodetect, and with this you can mix&match any kind of magnetic switch.

>>107427876
Amazon is usually the last place I look.
>$50 hot swappable
Still looks like drop shipped model off ali but I'll keep it in mind if I can't follow the current conversation.

>>107392462
still waiting on the ps2 daughterboard for my model f. never realised how much i took that feature for granted. i could enable wake from usb device in the bios but it's just not the same. other than that it's been a great daily

>>107428456
if INA IN+ is higher that's fine, from sensor, it amplifies the signal and adds it on top of GND. but if IN- is higher than IN+, it cannot subtract it from GND (REF). but with 1.65V for REF then it can swing on 1.65V either way.
I actually like this. hope it works

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>>107427493
>>107427297
>>107427799
>>107428456
t-thank you anon for the run down, I'm still pretty amateur about all of this, but my understanding of what I need to do has gone up 1000% seriously, bless you, I very much like this approach since I have so many sensors just sitting around

the p channel mosfet solution is legit beautiful

ill give some of the raw data in a few days about Z axis vs X axis bridge sensors after a few more INA tests its all I can really contribute

>>107425464
Osume keycaps are trans-coded.

Do Koreans not use Windows at all? AT ALL? ALL OF GEON'S KEYBOARDS ARE WKL BY AND LARGE.

>>107429051
there's this thing called programmability you know, people can put the keys wherever they want in software

>>107428484
No I was joking. Your requirements are very niche.

>>107428974
No no no. They are Asian-coded.

>>107425361
35*3 is 105, enough for most full-size keyboards.

GAYON ONLY

>>107429167
Fuck that technomage bullshit, I want plug-and-play. Removing a functional key area just for muh stylez is terrible design.

>>107430697
I bet you use caps lock for upper case letters.

>>107428611
the pmos should be more proper to drive a column of sensors. even if they are low power it's not nice to drive directly from bit-shifter outputs.
also forgot to add an inverter to the whole thing, so it switches correctly, will update with correct way of driving it.
also do share some of the Z axis TMR sensor part numbers

>>107431005
It's faster

Random /diy/ and /g/ crossover question.
Is 3D printing keycaps a thing people care about? I figure 3D printing is a bit rough on the fingers for keys.

>>107431242
There are some people who do it, but they'll usually use a service that provides SLS or other high resolution type printing rather than regular FDM.

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>>107431252
I guess that makes sense. How doable is that for like multicolour prints?

FDM printers these days, you can do multi-colour prints up to like 16 different colours on a single model.

>>107431283
Don't think you can really do multicolor with resins or powder. Maybe the $250k stratasys machines can do some shit like that.

redpill me on durgod

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>>107428611
ok here's a spice sim for the circuit, with and without the dual polarity key switches.
first one up top is with GND on REF of INA. that's basic, when you press voltage on ADC goes from 0V to whatever you set the gain to max press.
V3 is the output of bit-shifter (HC164). when it goes up (3.3V) the p-mos conducts and powers the sensor, which has voltage output into INA. then INA amplifies the signal and outputs into buffer which outputs into ADC. 0V-3.3V (used 10K for RG(R6) to get some amplification for the TMR signal, lower R6 value makes for higher signal into ADC).
U4 is SN74LVC2G04 inverter. when bit shift goes 3.3V it goes 0V, so it enables p-mos output so it powers the TMR sensor. this is a proper way of driving the sensors.
powering directly from HC164 outputs is not proper, especially if you connect 15 sensors in parallel, for power. with mosfet you can properly drive anything, with logic signal (3.3V from bit shifter).

the other two sims are with 1.65V on INA REF pin, which moves the output of U3 buffer into ADC at 1.65V when there's no press. depending on polarity of magnet on TMR sensor, it either goes from 1.65V towards 3.3V, either from 1.65V towards 0V. so bottom two sims are for each north and south pole switch magnet polarity press. R6 sets the overall gain of the TMR sensor signal. I think this is the nicest option.
so U4 inverter + M1 mosfet is on top of just bit-shifter powering the TMR sensors. on my keyboard Keychron directly powered the HE sensors from bit shifter, not proper. can work but it's meh.
so V3 is just simulating the bit-shifter 0/1 pulses.
you also need a single U2 buffer opamp to power REF of all the INA you have on the PCB, if going that route.
next post for Kicad schematic example

>>107431727
GOD TIER

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>>107428611
so here's how you would connect everything up. U20/U22 are HC164 bit shifters. they get data from microcontroller, and cycle through Q0/Q7 pins writing digital 1 on each in turn. when Q0 is active, it makes U19A inverter output digital 0, which enables Q5 which powers the upper TMR sensor.
rest of Q1-Q7 are off in this state, so top TMR has output into INA, which has output in U18A buffer which goes into ADC0 line.
when HC164 turns off Q0 and turns on Q1 the middle TMR sensor is active and so on, didn't connect the rest, just the last one just so you see how all are connected. Q2 to Q7 and Q0 to Q5 for next HC164 are the same.
so at any one time only one Qx from HC164 is on, so only one TMR goes into ADC0

the upper right TMR sensor is in parallel with top left one. so when Q0 is active, all of the ones in parallel are active, they each go into a different INA. depending on how many ADC lines you got. for 6 ADC (one per each row) there's total of 6 TMR in parallel being powered by the same mosfet. so when HC164 Q0 pin is high, Q5 mosfet powers 6 sensors at once, and each go into a different INA chip, which ultimately go into 6 ADC pins.
so HC164 Q0 to Q7 from both U20 and U22 make for a total of 16 possible columns. add a third HC164 if you need more columns.

74LVC2G04 are dual inverters in same package, they are small. you can probably find more in same package, but you need like one for each column this way, so 15 or something, you can maybe find 8 in a chip and have two chips just for inverters, and mosfets can be really small, sot-23-3, the TMR sensors aren't powerful enough for anything larger to be used.
this way no TMUX swithes, only 6 INA chips, 6 buffers (3 dual opamps), one optional extra opamp to set REF for dual polarity on switches, two HC164 (or three if 100% layout), and 15 mosfets and inverters.
inverters are 5V input tolerant, but power them from 3.3V. worst case remove them and mosfets and directly power TMR from 5V powered HC164.

What are all these electrical circuit pictures I don’t understand any of it!!!
Also what’s the best keyboard with modern features like the little screen that you can put your waifu on

>>107389855
Keyboard recommendations pls

>Budget
$200 max, ideally something $150 or less
>Location
Australia
>Preferred switch type
My current keyboard has MX Reds, so anything similar to that (linear I guess?)
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
100% or 80%, preferably 100%
>Backlight
No backlight/can be disabled

Also any recommendations for palm rests? My current keyboard came with one that attaches to the keyboard, but most of the stuff I've seen doesn't come with one and doesn't seem to have anywhere to attach one.

I started designing my top plate in CadQuery and printed the first prototype. A bit too much pinky stagger in the end.

>>107432813
>CadQuery
very interesting, what are your thoughts on it? and how does it compare to OpenSCAD, if you ever used it

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MY PRECIOUSSSS

>>107432183
Anons are trying to make a TMR keyboard PCB; it is much more complicated than a normal keyboard.

>>107432183
>>107434840
ideally with more options, any magnetic switch compatibility and 8kHz.
atm there's two magnetic switches standards, which sucks ass. having a board compatible with both would be nice
the only thing left to sort out is auto variable gain on each switch, so it maxes out the gain of sensor signal during calibration phase. still not sure how to cheaply/simply do it in hardware. digitpots are meh. ideas are welcome

Shitpill me on some linears to waste my money on. I'm thinking HC Sonjas

>>107433564
Haven't tried OpenSCAD unfortunately. So far I like CadQuery, it feels like designing a UI, like the plate is a window and the cutouts for the switches are buttons I just place in a loop.
I'm relatively sure it will keep working well for keyboards, it has all the features I require for my current designs, but no idea how it would work for other stuff.

Bros..I see the light now
thin and hollow sounding keyboards FTW
GEON ONLY
I need a half dozen F1s and at least two Glares now
oh GEON my DARLING my ONE SWEET TRUE LOVE MY

>>107435327
I really like the Gateron Khonsu I won in a raffle at the Toronto keyboard meetup lol

They're extremely clacky, maybe more clacky than Cherry. Very bright sound, good to brighten up a board that has too much in the midtones. No spring ping out of the box, good factory lubing, and a comfortable medium-light weight.

Geon4lyfe

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>>107422679
Its a comic fucking JOKE
My mystery gateron switches i got for free from a switch modder

My mystery shallow linear, 35g switches with an O-ring
Vs
Silent silver $20 gateron switches

ITS A JOKE BECAUSE THE TWO FEEL 10000% EXACTLY THE SAME
THEY SOUND EXACTLY THE SAME
How on EARTH out of all the switches in all the world, does anon choose switches that are exactly like my mystery modded switches? What are the chances? How is this possible? Its so hilarious I want to cry

Like grats gaytron, you made a switch with a built in o-ring I GUESS COOL

I giess im just fucking fated to use light switches with a Mushy o-ring feel for the rest of my life you

Why are the most deranged keyboard autists always linear fags?

>>107436117
Linear is for gaymers and they are probably the most deranged autistic group (low social interaction with others besides derogatory replies to each other in game)

>>107436060
They shouldn't be as mushy as an O-ring

>>107435601
Sounds like a Gateron flavour of SWK Ghost Dragons.

>>107436144
Wrong. Every single typist prefers linear, primarily or at least in passing. Every single keyboard youtuber is a linearfag. Linears have dominated this hobby since forever. Linears just make sense, alright? This is beside the point. Linears are GODDDDDDDLIIIIKE

And did I say how linears work really well with GEON boards? That's right, you can smash your way to erndles s tyoypopsd using a FTGoen loeienar ekyboard slap a fucking low weight lienar oin tnhe ufcking gieon only keyobard woth a alu plate (vi11. fviaratn STOCK Onyl) abnd wathc the nfucker goooo

Please tell me more about geon

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>F1 only
oh yeah
>Alu 1.1
oh yeah
>MX Blacks
fuck yeah
>spring-swapped with Geon 22mm 50g springs
fuuuck yeah
>brush-lubed with Krytox 205g0
hell yeah
>spring-lubed with 107
yeaaaaah
>Cherry clip-in stabilizers all greased up
YEAHHHH FUCK YEAAHHHHH
>actuation machine to break in your MX Blacks
YEAHHAHH HFUCK ME BABY FGUCK MEEE
>"F1 Sound Test With MX Blacks and GMK WoB"
YEAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAA GAYON ONLYYYYY

>>107433966
What keyboard are u gonna put those on?

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>GeON ONly
haha y-yes I enjoy my Geonworks keyboard very much, shibalama- i mean shit yeah! It's GREAT GEON!

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>SHIBAL SAEKKIYA

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>Geon mentioned

>be ignorant non keyboard enthusiast
>wanting a black keyboard with per key or zone based RGB lighting and that has extra USB ports built in
>Use Keeb-finder to try to find models that fit this
>Buy Red Dragon YAMA K550
>Has two USB cables, need to plug both into your computer to use the extra USB ports the keyboard has, defeating the point of having extra ports
>Return it
>Get told the Corsair K70 has USB passthrough
>Turns out it's only older models not in production anymore
>Buy the Royal Kludge F99 AI since it has passthrough and allegedly has per key or zone based lighting and is wired since I'd rather not get paranoid over the internal battery of their RK96 which also has passthrough while having a black chasis, even if both have some white keycaps I'd have to replace
>Turns out the useless """AI""" features that version has replaces the normal software lighting options
>Now have to return that too

Why is this so fucking difficult

Does anybody know of a keyboard, be it wired or wireless,as close to full size as possible, that's got a black body even if not black keycaps, that has extra USB ports built in that don't require multiple USB cables running to your PC to use?

I might try the other RK96 but when their own support staff misinformed me about what the F99 AI keyboard could do I kind of don't trust that the RK96 can do the per key/zone lighting either now.

for me it’s geon

Briny from Keygeek is a REALLY good linear.

>>107436553
Just get a Filco or a Durgod.

>>107436804
Do they have extra USB ports?

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>>107436553
let me guess, the idea of usb-c adapters filters you

>>107436931
No, I'm fine with USB C. What will filter me though is the $200 price that Das keyboards apparently seem to have.

I see a used/refurbished X50Q for 100$ though, does that have the extra ports?

>>107437073
>I see a used/refurbished X50Q for 100$ though, does that have the extra ports?

Seems like not. Their 4Q keyboard has both ports and RGB but the 140$ refurbished listing is sold out, sadly

>>107437073
Ah it was the price that was making you so helpless I should have known

>>107389855
>Buy Ducky One 3
>put in jade boxes
>extreme chattering after a few months
>replace switches with same, maybe they were shite
>extreme chatter after a month
Its the fucking board isnt it, first and last time I fall for the brand meme. Can I do something with this shit?

>>107437689
And not just chatter, but straight out not registering the key*

>>107437168
I mean I also didn't know that Das was a brand that existed.

>>107437999
Sorry :< I assumed keyboard finder already pointed you to the das keyboard

>>107437689
It could be an incompatibility with the hot swap sockets and the switches. Some switches have very thin ungrooved pins, that just don't make good contact. I had similar issues with some switches (maybe navies iirc), and I fixed the problem by twisting the switch pins slightly (like ~30°) with pliers before inserting them

>>107438277
>twisting the switch pins slightly (like ~30°) with pliers
Thanks! Will try this.

my keyboards always get so fucking NASTY
apparently I'm a very dusty person.
Always making my switches double click.

>>107438327
Just clean them once a month

Should I buy a b-stock geon f1 v2 for $480 shipped?

>>107438308
Good luck, report back how it went

>>107439010
yes obviously

Do you use a dust cover?

>>107439010
I'm not crazy about TKL, myself. But if you like that layout I'm sure it's a nice board. I don't love how it looks

i tried tactile switches for the first time and i think i like these better than linear

>>107439701
yep same, thats the main thing holding me back. it sounds great but aesthetically it doesnt do anything for me and i'll be damned if i pay $600 (after switches and keycaps) for something that i dont think looks good

>>107436328
they are only fractionally less mushy while being more noticeably louder than O-rings

all in all, the silvers are better than my mystery silver switches, but only just barely, and beating 10 year old switches shouldn't be considered an achievement, i was expecting something 10 times better than what i had

if anything tho, the modder who made my switches with the O-rings was just very good. the guy who gave them to me shaved down a part of the stems, put in custom springs and used lube. he really knew what the hell he was doing

>>107438603
*five times a day

>>107439010
Sure, go ahead and disappoint yourself. Greatest keyboard ever made and all that. Insane sound and everything, Geon's magic at work. Totally not hyped to hell by social media bots.

>>107439930
Try them all. You'll be pleasantly surprised. My endgame tactiles rn are Haimu heavies.

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>>107439010
Considering I paid 350 for my A stock one for the group buy, no.

Boy, I sure like having my keycaps wobble on my naked keys held together by nothing but a plate. Foam provides structural support and it makes the typing experience vastly better.

>>107441297
Those DCS caps look pretty fuckin good

>>107441297
Holee fuck! Geon only!!!!!

Any theories about why he's spamming so much? My theory is it's a Geon fan "trolling" to bump the thread

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>>107441577
Yeah, DCS is the best honestly. Only downside is that SP is so stingy with prices that the kitting ends up usually being kinda shit.

Someone has to make a stand against the cult of Geon. Geon. Geon. Geon. The guy makes unremarkable slabs of metal and pretends they're keyboards. He does not know the FIRST THING about making a GOOD KEYBOARD. And neither do any of youse. Fucking cultists.

>>107441838
This bit is tiresome.

>>107441787
That set looks perfect for my 96% if it has r3 control. I've struggled to find an appropriate cool gray set with a num lock window. Obviously whatever that is isn't still on sale but what is it?

>>107441933
>on sale
meant to say for sale

>>107441933
DCS Yogurt I believe. Idk who ran it honestly, google doesn't turn up immediate results

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I got a white base.
Would black or grey keycaps like these look out of place on them?

>>107442121
Nope.

Hell yeah Geon only

>>107441660
this might help you:
boards.4chan.org##.replyContainer:has-text(/(Geon)\b/)

Oh nooooes

>>107441297
how does dcs compare in feel to something like mtnu/mt3?