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Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.

*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread ***

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suckless.org
>What are some cool terminal commands?
commandlinefu.com
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GNU/Linux Games: >>>/vg/lgg
Previous thread: >>107405871
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>>107425390
What’s as easy to use as mint but not so “outdated”?
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>>107425479
I've had no issues using CachyOS.
Easy to install, no compat issues with my hardware.
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where is the data/residual from these "appimages" and "flatpaks" stored?
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>>107425636
There is none, what do you think this is iOS?
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>>107425390
Do you think he will eventually retire or cling to his position till he dies?
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>>107425650
He specifically says that he hopes someone comes along that takes up his mantle and everything he says about his job makes it seem like he doesn't want to be there.
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>>107425479
endeavouros
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>>107425390
parrot vs kali?
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Is it possible to remove screen tearing in the TTY during boot? I can notice screen tearing when boot messages are flying by
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>>107426029
Why does screen tearing trigger you? Why can't you just learn to enjoy it? Don't be such a faggot.
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>>107425479
Manjaro is kept up to date and is easy to both install and use after install
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>>107425390
I managed to fill my truenas storage 100 %, now SMB does not work anymore. Somehow NFS share works but I can't get it to mount. Is it because of the space in the name and how do I circumvent this issue?

I have to either find a way to access the storage to delete the recordings or how to activate SMB with 100 %.
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>>107426202
This is how it looks, I have a CachyOS installation for testing. This is truenas in a proxmox VM with a physical 2 TB 970 EVO SSD. The server works except for the shares although webinterface still works. Is there a way to access the data with command line (but not deleting all just specific folders on it?)
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Recently been playing with asahi linux on my old macbook (M2 from work they don't want back kek)
Anyways this has forced me to confron wayland since X11 has not support for HiDPI screens (correct?)
I must say Wayland has to be the biggest steaming pile of shit imaginable. This is th type of shit that gives linux and by extensions it's users a bad name. It has to be the aboslute textbook definition of a solution looking for a problem. Nothing works the way it was already working on Xorg and the devs try to pass that off as a feature not a bug.
>Oh actually no there's no way to run a script every time you start wayland...and that's a good thing
>Oh actually we have no way to configure your trackpad that's your window manager's job now teehee
>Oh actually no we can't run your extremely basic GUI programs you wrote yourself and no there's no way for you to do it haha
And a ton of other things.
Can anyone explain why this is a better idea / waste of their time than just adding functionality to X11 (stuff like HiDPI support?)
Also the fact wayland has become more or less mainstream makes me extremely bearish on linux in general.
I honestly think this shit is well poisoning funded by microshit to neuter the already flourishing linux desktop community and force new users back into their walled garden.
I guess I'm going to keep using it on this machine (literally only because I can't get HiDPI to work on xorg apparently) but I have been converted to an X11 zealot and will mercilessly taunt waytards everytim I encounter them online.
>TLDR
Fuck wayland. Fuck wayland users and especially FUCK wayland developers and fanboys
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Hello i have no idea why my cachyos doesnt boot anymore and stuck on terminating plymouth boot screen after updating my system core kernel on gui or something but restarting and going beyond that doesnt help and gui doesnt show up also it shows 164142 rdseed32 is broken at the beginning of boot it didnt show that before after forced retart because it didnt badge now rdseed32 is nroken. I did removed loading splash animation before but i dont think its the cause of the brickness. How to fix it i cant even enter my os just tty
God im so tired
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What is to be done about all the retards and shitters using arch/arch based distros and shitting up every single forum with their retardation?
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>>107426282
>solution looking for a problem
Those are everywhere. Even suckless is an example. Imagine claiming to advocate for simplicity and minimalism by making something that's less simple and minimal than things which already existed. Here's a whole new pile of unnecessary shit to represent the philosophy of anti-unnecessary shit. It's all rooted in needs to show everyone how smart they are in being critical of the wheel and wanting everyone to see their re-invention of said wheel. It all ultimately leads to being critical of one's own dick and chopping it off.
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>>107426343
Wait so youre saying thats it my os is done for? God fucking dammit
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>>107426372
sounds like it's just your display manager. turn that off and troubleshoot. you can boot to tty with a grub option.
no i won't tell you what it is, look it up.
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>>107426282
wayland will be usable by the time the smaller desktops get a working wayland session lol
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>>107426405
Friend im tired and in need of my fap you have to help me please. Why did this update fucked with my system and how how do i disable this display manager if gui sddm doesnt even boot without the need of reinstalling my distro.
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Anons I don't know if you can help but I need to recover some data.

I ran a session with puppy linux and had a couple of files saved locally that I was going to transfer manually to a different usb for long term storage. Usually it's fine but this time it bugged wwwwweirdly and now I can only move the mouse about futilely, As I understand it Puppy stores files locally in ram and swap, I think usually swap would be flushed when it shuts down but since I'll have to manually power it off the files should remain in swap.

Is it at all feasible for me to recover my files from the swap if I boot into some recovery system?
Usually I would just reboot but these were semi important files.
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>>107426343
->>> rtfm/rtfw
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>>107426450
change boot options for systemd target from graphical to multi-user. this will boot you to tty and not start your display manager.
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>>107426524
I mean i am fucked. What you saying relevant to this..
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>>107425390
Torvalds looked annoyed at Linus especially with his fucking childish like antics in the beginning. couldnt be a bigger faggot.
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anybody knows of a nice cli tts program?
i tried espeak but it sounds like fucking ass
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>>107426556
ltt is a faggot. linus probably wanted to call him a faggot. i have no idea why he did that with ltt.
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>>107426565
i wondered the same. would loved if the story was he walked out as soon as he sperged.
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>>107426494
There are no files in swap, only pages evicted from main RAM.

>Is it at all feasible for me to recover my files from the swap if I boot into some recovery system?
Extremely unlikely. The data may be there but chances are it's quartered and scattered.
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>>107426550
>>107426329
>>107426372
Please help..
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>>107426619
>The data may be there but chances are it's quartered and scattered.
That's what I thought.
I couldn't pull up much useful stuff from web searches other than maybe the forensics tool swap_digger but it only talks about recovering artifacts
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now i can't launch the game with heroic games
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Man why cachyos is so fucked please help my shit is in there
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>>107426745
works on my machine
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>>107426745
avoid installing a meme distro next time
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>>107426745
>having your shit in there
ngmi
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>>107426550
>>107426745
>Ctrl+Alt+F3
>log in
>type "startx"
>???
>profit
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>>107426130
I'm not a masochist sorry, I want smooth text animations in my TTY
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>>107426808
>animations in my TTY
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>>107426792
Yeah?..
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>>107426808
>not a masochist
>using linux
ngmi
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Is Linux Mint the final solution for final users?
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>>107426550
what did you do you fucking monkey?
did you install some display manger or what?
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>>107426823
And explain "0.164142 rdseed32 is brokn. Disabling the corresponding cpuid."
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>>107426745
It's your fault for trusting zoomer hyped software.
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>>107426848
>>107426861
No i literally updated my system
Did sudo pacman -Syu via cachys hello gui wizard. Their update fucked my system
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>>107426619
Failing the data recovery idea is there a good way to regain control of a frozen system?
The mouse moves fine but it just stays with the hand sign, and the cpu graph at least twitches a little for that.

Is there a way to force the window manager to restart? Or any ither strategy.
I tried accessing the tty through ctrl+alt+No but got nothing and ctrl+alt+del also did nothing
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>>107426343
Gaymers are to blame. They want to use rolling release distros for the latest gayming drivers and updates but they can't handle the responsibilities of rolling release, so they end up flooding support places with the problems they blunder into while the rest try to engage in console warring with Linux distros where Arch is the most "hardcore" distro to boast about using.
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>>107426873
do you have an nvidia card? shit smells like an nvidia issue bunch of ppl cry in trannycord about not being able to boot into the system
could try downgrading the kernel or install lts kernel and try to boot through that
but before you do anything i would recommend getting a arch usb stick so if anything fails even harder (you can't login to the at all) you could chroot
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>>107426873
Rolling release distros are bound to eventually fuck up after an update, it's your responsibility to be prepared for that and try to figure things out yourself. This is what stable distros like Debian, Mint etc are for; to avoid these situations.
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>>107426884
>is there a good way to regain control of a frozen system?
Depends on how "frozen". If you can switch to another VT and login you should be able to copy files from the ramdisk to another drive.
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>>107426823
Oh right, you don't have Xorg, Forgot KDE uses Wayland now...
Well, tough luck buddy, don't know the command for starting wayland.
Try to fix your broken display manager, see if it's running, then if it's not running run it and see if it's started and if it's giving errors:
sudo systemctl status sddm.service
sudo systemctl start sddm.service
sudo systemctl status sddm.service
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>>107426745
Go yell at /v/ for convincing you to use an Arch-based distro as your first OS
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>>107426922
works for me on arch, cachy fags probably fucked something up with those tweaks they do
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>>107426922
this
just get the freaking timeshift
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>>107426920
Amd. i have rx9070tx :^) seems like amd is failing now.. I did use cpu overdrive and xmp 1 on a amd motherboard. I dont think its the issue
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>>107426923
I tried ctrl+alt+f1 but it got me nowhere.
puppy is too minimalist
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>>107426926
it's clearly trying to load x11
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>>107426935
Which do you use
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I want no systemd, no wayland, no CoC, no Rust, no intrusive donation reminders, no faggots, and no fatpak anywhere in my OS. What distro is the best for me?
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>>107426965
Ok right, he does have Xorg but that's irrelevant because KDE doesn't support X11 anymore.
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>>107426965
>>107426926
I am using wayland plasma, kiddo friends
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>>107426975
Bullet to the head
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>>107426975
Devuan
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>>107426823
>/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc not found
>xinit not found
It's fucked, don't know what the cachy devs did but your xorg is fucked bad, if you don't have snapshots sadly you'll have to get another drive, hook it up, boot into any distro, mount your drives, backup everything you care about and install a non-meme distro
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>>107426975
LFS
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>>107427000
It's not fucked, he just doesn't use xorg, he uses wayland
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>>107426942
what cpu do you have then?
but anyway follow the rest of my advice
>>107427000
he doesn't have to do anything of that
either install lts kernel and boot through that or wait until they drop an update that fixes this shit
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>>107427000
Lmaoo youre saying i should boot via my live flash and save my files into a some sort of storage driver and reinstall it? What the fuck
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>>107426988
Did you get your display manager to work? what does the SDDM logs say?
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>>107427011
oh i missed that, then why the fuck is it trying to boot into x11
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>>107426966
I don't use a beginner distro, but I would recommend you do that. If you really like KDE, use something like Fedora KDE. If you don't mind using a different DE, use something like Mint. Consider using flatpak versions of things that need the latest stuff. Learn more about Linux before eventually trying Arch again.
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>>107427030
because he ran startx like other anon told him to?
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>>107427018
Amd 9950x3d the latest one that no one even talks about
>but anyway follow the rest of my advice
Redirect me to it again?
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>>107427027
That failed to dump cpu
Failed to enter desktop
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>>107427051
what? please post the output of
sudo systemctl status sddm.service
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>>107426975
NIGGIX
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>>107427040
make sure you have arch/cachy usb stick
install lts kernel or downgrade your kernel to the last working version
boot through the new kernel
or just wait for an update that just lets you just update and fix the issue
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seems like cachy fucked up
lol
a lot of people left with an unbootable system
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>>107427081
wait so this isn't just one guy here?
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>>107425390
What happened to him?
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>>107427093
Got old.
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>>107427081
arch chads stay winning
>ooooh but the 0.000001% performance gain is worth it
lmao
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>>107425636
>appimages
Anywhere.
>flatpaks
.var
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>>107427093
Decades of dealing with faggots getting mad at him for blasting retards on mailing lists.
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>>107427081
>meme fotm muh performance distro breaks
wow what a surprise
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>>107427108
>>107427134
Damn...
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running kubuntu in 6gb ram vm and it slows to a crawl randomly whenever I do anything.
while arch + kde installed on my craptop with 4gb ram works pretty fine (until a lot of browser tabs get involved but it is expected)
whats going on
it can't be kubuntu right?
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>>107427109
its like at least a 1% perf and at least 50%+ in latency
and implying that vanilla arch doesn't break once a while
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>>107427061
What i said but with more detail
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>>107427081
https://discuss.cachyos.org/t/tutorial-disable-or-remove-plymouth-boot-splash/10922
>CachyOS ISOs provide and enable plymouth by default.
>It also has a nasty habit of breaking boot under various circumstances.
then why include it what the fuck
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>>107427184
jesus dude.
stop using cachy if you can't problem solve
run this
./usr/bin/startplasma-wayland
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https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Zen-5-RDSEED-CachyOS

The News just dropped
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>>107427183
I updated today, rebooted and it's fine
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>>107427184
See if there is a bios update for your motherboard. CachyOS requires the latest microcode update due to how they compile their kernel.
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>>107427223
How to revert back to older kernel verion..
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>You get what you ask for. You build a binary for a CPU which does not provide a functional correct RDSEED16/32 instruction.
kek trachyos on the suicide watch
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>>107427243
>>107427216
if you have zen5
just install normal non-cachyos kernel and boot through that
sudo pacman -S core/linux core/linux-headers
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>>107427215
Your command doesnt make any sense
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>>107427243
Thats the neat part. On Arch based distros you don't.
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>use a build which does not emit
RDSEED or checks CPUID for availability before blindly using it
rekt
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>>107427267
>zen5
kek
https://gmplib.org/gmp-zen5
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>>107427184
oof, this is beyond me, try reinstalling sddm and seeing if this fixes the issue
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>>107427280
Yes you do, that's what pacman -U allows you to do, for example to undo Wine's fucky wucky with 10.19, you'd do pacman -U https://archive.archlinux.org/packages/w/wine/wine-10.18-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst.
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from what i understand from this is that the cachy guys add patches from RC kernels to their kernel
that doesnt sound like a good idea
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You gotta be kidding me
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>>107427329
how many goats?
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>>107427308
Downgrading the kernel is not a solution though. Because Cachy will not "fix" this in future builds. The only way forward is updated microcode or using a non cachy kernel.
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You gotta be fuckking kidding me
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>>107427341
>>107427267
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>>107427341
HAHAHAHAHAHA
AMD, not even once
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>>107427341
holy kek
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>>107427223
Lmao i will never update bios because its like a ticking bomb
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>>107427341
thats exactly the issue from the phoronix article
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>>107427354
So i dont understand my cpu got annihilated?
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>>107427368
Any workaround.. can i add rdseed32 in some conf file..
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>>107427391
no, code of cachyos kernel contains an instruction that your cpu doesn't support
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>>107427411
nigger i fucking posted what to do 20 times
>>107427267
>>
LET THIS BE
A LESSON
AGAINST MEMES
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>>107427341
lmao. amd btfo by arch troons
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rdsneed lol
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>>107426808
Use vga mode.
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why did they add RC kernel patches to their kernel?
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>>107427423
I did it but it just installs some random shit. I should add a specific kernel? An example please
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>>107427441
because they're fucking retarded lmao
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>>107427411
Installing the amd-ucode package might help. If it already is then you need to use the upstream arch kernel until that package is updated. Or install a bios update that has the new microcode.
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>>107427448
in theory you should be able to reboot now and select that new kernel as the one you boot through but im not sure what boot loader do you have
go into /boot/loader/entries and how contests of that folder
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>>107427464
Grub so it should be in grubs boot manager? Btw even its is fucked.
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>>107427441
what do you mean rc patch?
that patch is in literally the newest version of the kernel
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>>107427464
I just did it. Same shit.
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>>107427474
what do you mean it is fucked?
if it were fucked you wouldn't be able to boot
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>>107427267
>cachy users need the arch kernel to boot into their systems
can't make this shit up
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>>107427489
show
uname -a
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>>107427490
Same shit as this>>107427341
>>107427184
>>107426823
>>107426550
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>>107427450
Fix your font rendering.
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how are you this retarded that you cant even install another kernel or downgrade but want to use an arch based distro
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>>107427501
>>107427500
Fucked
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>>107427451
Wont be touching any bios updates
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>>107427527
>reinstalled same version
>systemd-boot AND grub
Please install Ubuntu.
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> Guys guys check out my awesome gayming rig
> 9070XT
> 9950X3D
> Le cachy gaming distro with all the optimazitions for max speed©
> Can't figure out how to install and boot an alternative kernel

You can't make thisshit up...
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>>107427517
but I like how it looks
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>uses meme distro
>gets memed
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>>107427527
>systemd-boot
jesus man what the fuck are these defaults
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>>107427501
>>107427527
why do you have GRUB and systemd-boot tho?
it looks like grub succeed but systemd-boot failed because it simply doesn't have entries
if you have a livecd/usb stick with arch linux / cachy just reboot and check if you can boot into linux-kernel (not cachy one)
if you can't chroot into your system and reinstall kernel and grub
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Chroot
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>>107427571
He doesn't need to do any of that all he needs to do is select the right kernel in grub during boot.
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what display manager to i use with xfce on arch?
just lightdm?
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>>107427645
Yeah lightdm is what XFCE expects
It's basically GTK=lightdm, Qt=sddm
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>>107427645
Most people on arch don't use a display manager and just us xinit or startx
But sure, lightdm is what most people use with Xfce. Any display manager can work with Xfce if you want to.
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>>107427645
exec startxfce4 in ~/.xinitrc, then just startx on boot but yeah lightdm will work fine
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>>107427645
I used to just startx on Arch. Gotta be minimal and all that
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>>107427597
yea thats what im recommending but he should make sure he has a arch stick in case something goes terribly wrong
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>>107427693
>>107427685
>>107427674
>startx
bloat, use sx
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>>107427703
That guy couldn't figure out how to switch kernel and pisses himself because og bios updates. Good luck teaching him to chroot into an existing install.
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>>107427703
>arch stick
Yes, everyone needs an arch stick (like picrel) that you wave at your broken system while screaming "SUDO ABRA KADABRA" every time you boot
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>>107427527
just install a retard distro like bazzite at this point
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>>107428118
>>107428135
Sucks to suck.
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>>107413839
yo man if you are itt you figured it out for me lol. I guess my wifi dropped mid install which fucked up a lot of things. Did a fresh install of mint today and now it just works.
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>>107427527
lmao, this keeps getting funnier. i'm sorry my dude just use mint or something.
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>>107425479
ok of these 3 replies which one is actually the easiest and just werks, thanks anyway
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>>107428610
Is there any piece of software that you absolutely need the latest version of? If the answer is no then just use Mint because it's just the sweet spot between the stability of Debian and the newness of Arch without the breakages, If you really want the absolute newest then go with Arch or Arch-based distros like CachyOS or Manjaro. If the answer is yes then flatpaks exist and you can install the latest version of anything there without conflicting with your system.
Also Mint isn't as outdated as people make it out to be, why don't you try it and see for yourself?

I can tell from the way you ask these questions you're very uncertain and you're likely going to distrohop between different things because of your uncertainty. Let me just tell you that 90% of distros are exactly the same thing under the hood, the only real differences between most distros come down to the package manager and the repositories, when you're choosing a distro you're literally just choosing a package manager and specialized repositories for said package manager.
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>>107428711
>when you're choosing a distro you're literally just choosing a package manager and specialized repositories for said package manager
This and an installer with some configs/defaults.
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>>107426841
It is for terminal users, yes.
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is there any point in switching from manjaro to something else.
I've heard people shitting on manjaro but it seems that it is all meaningless stuff.
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>>107428885
I would personally rather be using vanilla arch than bastardised Arch with delayed rollouts and some packages neutered like Mesa:
https://gitlab.manjaro.org/packages/extra/mesa/-/commit/e4fbdd707b144863a49e29d7940d735beeb2cba1

Manjaro is an experiment in how to enshittification Arch.
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>>107428837
Correct, because nobody lasts long on Mint.
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>>107428937
>disable patent encumbered codecs similar as SUSE and Fedora does
Holy shit why would they do that? SUSE and Fedora have legal teams which tell them to do that, but Manjaro? There's no reason, do they even have an alternative repo with normal packges?
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>>107428937
>it seems that it is all meaningless stuff.
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>>107429106
going by their webpage, manjaro likes to market itself to businesses, so I guess they will just copy the legal practices of other business distros.
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>>107429106
Manjaro's owners have a registered company and like to larp as somebody that is important even though we all know they've got no money and nobody would even bother with them.
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>>107429106
They're self-important fuckwits. And also Germans and therefore autistic.
It's honestly kind of amazing that people still use their distro. There is literally no conceivable use case in which it is the optimal choice.
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>>107429195
it just works
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>>107429195
>And also Germans
That just makes it even funnier because software patents don't apply in Europe and they have no legal presence in the US. If they had lawyers like Red Hat's they'd advise them that they don't have to do anything but because they want to be the next Red Hat and SUSE (lmao at a little Arch distro seeing themselves as that important but that's where we're at) they can't help but copy them.
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>>107429161
>>107429163
>>107429195
Oh well, it does kind of made sense when they have a registered company in Germany especially. The whole distro seemed so amateurish to me I didn't even consider it's a business.
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>>107429211
Does it, though?
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>>107429223
I had less trouble configuring nvidia cards with manjaro than with ubuntu.
never tried anything else though.
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>>107429217
>That just makes it even funnier because software patents don't apply in Europe
The Fraunhofer institute is still happy to sue others. Germany might be the most pro software patent thanks to them.
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>>107429247
Only for HEVC (which nobody uses for anything except pirated movies anyway). H.264 expired ages ago but Mesa still treats it as encumbered.
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>>107429243
>nvidia
The AI company makes graphics cards?
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>>107425479
Bazzite

>>107428610
Bazzite > Manjaro > CachyOS > EndeavourOS
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if Wayland is the superior choice, and the future of linux, then how come i keep finding so many banal bugs caused by it? Maybe it's KDE but KDE + Wayland makes for a buggy mess (especially using firefox).
What am i supposed to do? Use an X11 session as a main and switch when i want to play a game? Well too bad because X11 on KDE is abandonware!
Although i'm starting to believe its a personal problem because no one else seems to have it as bad as me. Works on their machine.
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>>107429799
File bug reports and put up with them. Wayland used to have some real show stopper bugs like everything crashing and being a completely unusable mess but these days you can ignore the warts because they don't matter that much.

It helps to remember that Xorg is absolutely not perfect either and has its own issues so it's just a case of playing the cards that are dealt to you. Wayland will continue to get better, meanwhile Xorg will continue to dwindle in commits and developer activity.
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Friends an update fixed the issue. I booted inside my cachyos. I think people complaint enough
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>>107426343
A lot of gamers got memed into using CachyOS instead of Bazzite

>>107426922
This is not unique to rolling release distros. Ubuntu, hell even Debian, are prone to breaking after a version upgrade.

>>107429799
You will have bugs no matter if you use X11 or Wayland. X11 is abandonware just as you said. So just file bug reports to both KDE and Wayland devs.
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>>107429799
There is always going to be bugs. And yes even ones that seem banal to you. They have existed before wayland and they will exist long after it. It might not be the same ones but they are there.

Either fix them yourself and submit a pull request or do a bug report and shut up.
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>>107429957
They did roll back the patch that caused it.

https://github.com/CachyOS/linux/commit/a1aa03ea68749666b12a5054ee6ce1124664223e
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>>107429977
No more updates for now lmao
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>>107426922
my experience with ubuntu is that it always breaks in an OS update so you should never ever update the OS version.
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Now i will have to delete all sort of shit i downloaded to get a workaround it
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>>107426556
he called LTT fake linus, that's enough disrespect
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>>107426343
sorry that i just like the latest versions of software without running them in containers. why the fuck is it possible for lincucks to run a four year old version of libre office while macfags and wintards get to use the latest version day one. who designed this stupid system?
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>>107429865
>X11 is abandonware
any day now all software is going to drop support for x11 and we all will move to wayland
trust the plan
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>>107430051
for all the work of getting windows applications and games to run on linux. wayland niggers can't seam to find a way to build a compatiablity layer for x on wayland that doesn't suck ass.
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>>107430063
Literally every aspect of Wayland sucks ass, it would be strange if the X11 compatibility didn't.
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>>107430051
You seem to be confused.
Abandonware means the devs have abondoned it not the users.
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>>107430110
KDE's X support still isn't abandonware for a few more years though. They've actually been quite honest about the fact that Wayland is half-baked.
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>>107430132
they are dropping the x11 session on early 2027
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>>107426343
>What is to be done about all the retards and shitters using arch/arch based distros and shitting up every single forum with their retardation?
It's because of that retardation that we have so much documentation. I'm grateful for them.
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>>107430154
So about a year and a half then? That barely changes things, anon.
And even then, they may have to pivot, since Wayland adoption has already taken over a decade longer than it was supposed to.
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>>107430132
Lets see what they have to say about this:
>KWin/X11 will be still maintained for the foreseeable future. But that maintenance work will boil down to fixing build errors, adapting to new KDE Frameworks and Plasma APIs, and backporting window-related fixes from KWin/Wayland.
So no fixing of x11 exclusive bugs.
>However, it might be actually a good thing because the X11 session doesn’t receive that much testing nowadays.
Great support. Might as well have dropped it already.
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just to be sure
xfce doesnt have network apple so i have to use the networkmanager applet right?
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>>107427542
>>107427552
>>107427571
How do i uninstall systemd, i installed it for the workaround. -rn something?
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>>107430221
It gets less attention because it needs less attention.
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>>107430272
sudo pacman -R systemd

thank me later
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>>107426823
it's unconfigured (no xinitrc) and even the default of running xterm didn't work because you don't have xterm installed.
not sure what you expected to happen running X with absolutely nothing for it to do
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>>107430132
A few days ago they said that wayland has resolved almost all issues they had with it and considering 84% of their users are wayland only, they decided to abandon x11 support in Plasma 6.8 or something.
Also, we're not really talking about KDE or Gnome here. X11 itself is abandonware and hasn't been worked on in a decade, aside from that one guy who has been kicked out of freedesktop and started X11Libre.

>>107430193
>And even then, they may have to pivot, since Wayland adoption has already taken over a decade longer than it was supposed to.
I really doubt it considering nobody is working on X11 anymore. It will only remain in niche DEs and use cases like virtual machines. And all it takes is for popular frameworks and toolkits for app development to stop supporting it for even those niche DEs to switch to Wayland.

>>107430286
>It gets less attention because it needs less attention.
No, it gets less attention because it's no longer worth the time investment as it's no longer maintained and it's fading into irrelevancy. It's the same shit as web developers only testing on chrome or maybe safari/webkit and never firefox.
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>>107430362
Everything works now after their update fixing rdseed but their shit is just unconfigured mess even though its lightning fast but behind the hood its a mess?
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Is it just me, or is this board constantly being invaded by anti-Linux shills?
I mean, Linux does have its' problems, but the amount of hate it gets on this board doesn't seem organic.
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>>107430654
It doesn't need to be "invaded", a couple of bad actors can shit up an entire board. Ask /v/ how much damage can a dedicated schizo cause... And every game has its own dedicated schizo.
There are anti linux threads on /v/ that always have the usual replies and images, and if you check the archive, they have been posted hundreds of times.
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>>107430725
I used to frequent /int/ a couple of years back and there was this Finnish anon that would always insult other anons over the pettiest shit. He wasn't constantly active though, so it wasn't too bad, but it eventually got to the point where I could tell which posts were his.
So far, I have concluded that this general and the Thinkpad general are still ok for a civil discussion. I don't participate in other generals, so I can't say anything about them.
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>>107430654
>why would anyone hate on a poorly designed bug-filled piece of garbage shilled 24/7 by amoral gaslighting evangelicals whose entire lives revolve around shilling bad software for no reason but its licensing scheme is approved by their religion.
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>>107430725 knows. It's kinda insane that these spam threads are rarely removed when it's obviously the same guy(s) posting them year after year.
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>>107430741
Win is also free
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>>107417546
nvm the snap was laggy for me I switched to the tarball.
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>>107430775
It can be buggy, the rolling release distros are more vulnerable to that, but it wouldn't be used by more than half of the world's servers if it was an unusable piece of shit. Most issues can be fixed by the user and that's something I appreciate very much.

Install Gentoo was a big meme on this board back in the day. Many people switched over to Linux recently, at least temporarily. Some will stay, some will go. The ones that like it are happy and want others to have a good experience like they did. Don't know what religion has to do with this, but ok.
The GPL licence was chosen for a reason, Stallman and Torvalds believed in the old hacker ethos of free information. Some would say they still hold those ideals. That licence is the main reason Linux ever got corporate support, unlike the BSD's, which have a more permissive licence, but then the corpos don't have to contribute anything back. With the GPL, they have to give at least something back.
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I recently installed Xubuntu, but I don't know what I'm doing yet. I just got a notification about updating UEFI CA, but it's from Microsoft. UEFI db too. Should I do it?
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Why does Dolphin recognize AppImage icons but the KDE start menu doesn't?
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>>107430654
I didnt really believe there was being any actual growth in linux usage but those anons convinced me
Shitposters and schizos are contrarian by nature, they dont attach themselves hard on something that is irrelevant
The usual targets are things that are more mainstream or growing
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Frens, I haven't used Linux in twenty years but I'm coming back home. I have very little time to properly research everything. Can someone (partially) spoonfeed me? Where am I wrong:
>wipe laptop
>download ISO file for Mint or Fedora onto USB
>boot and install OS

This thread makes it very clear that systemd is bad, but neither Mint nor Fedora are listed as being free of it. I don't know how to get drivers or if I need Wine as an emulator at all, where does steam fit into all this - do I need Proton?
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>>107431209
You need an associated .desktop file for them along with a PNG or SVG image cached locally somewhere.
This is why things like AppImaged exist.
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>>107431381
Yeah I extracted it and made the .desktop file. Was kind of annoying. I didn't want to use a third party tool cause I'm autistic I guess.
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regardless of what i plug into them or what cable i use all of a sudden anything i plug in my four "front" USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports only runs at USB 2.1 speed
only the one on the rear is running at the full 10gb speed
i swear they were working perfectly fine before
i can't find any relevant search results with actual answers, anyone who actually has had the same problem hasn't seemed to have figured it out either
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>>107431272
>This thread makes it very clear that systemd is bad
Ignore the autistic morons complaining about systemd. It's quite literally THE standard. They're just mad that things on Linux are becoming more standardized and that systemd is more than just an init system.
>I don't know how to get drivers
All supported drivers are included by default. This includes almost all peripherals. In most cases you don't need to worry, aside from Fedora not including proprietary drivers (and codecs) by default. If you want the extra convenience then install Aurora or Bluefin, depending on your preference of KDE vs GNOME. They are to Fedora what Mint is to Debian.
>if I need Wine as an emulator at all,
For gaming? You don't need to install Wine onto your system at all, you can use Bottles.
>where does steam fit into all this - do I need Proton?
You don't need proton, but Steam will use it. It's pretty much "Wine plus". If you have Steam then all you need to do is ensure that your games are always running in Proton. Linux native games on Steam often outright don't work or have some unique quirks, bugs or performance issues. Especially anything over 5 years old when Steam Linux Runtime wasn't the standard platform for games.
If you're a "gamer" then instead of Aurora/Bluefin go for Bazzite.
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>>107427201
It's cool bro
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Could I avoid the cachy memery by installing arch and then adding the cachy repos?
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>>107431272
systemd is bad because bloat but outside of a few smaller obscure distros everything uses it
outside of a few cases most notably nvidia gpus the low level drivers are built into the kernel, if you don't have the hardware for them they just don't load
some distros are better at making it easy to install the proprietary nvidia drivers, i have amd so i have no idea
and every distro will ship the libraries normal applications use to communicate with the kernel drivers, for important drivers at least
they're not going to ship things like the runtime for AMD's 2nd mini graphics driver used for compute

wine isn't an emulator, it's a translation layer (actually a series of them)
you do need it if you want to run programs compiled for windows (so .exes and .dlls)
proton is just wine+ oriented towards gaming with some additional features like basic sandboxing and isolation
it comes with steam, as a steam tool
steam makes it super easy to manage proton and other compat tools, you just right click on a game, select properties, and set it to use a specific compatibility tool, if steam didn't pick one already
this works with non-steam games too, you just press add a non-steam game, pick the .exe
there's additional compatibility tools you can install into steam as well like steamtinkerlaunch which as a horrible UI but lets you control and manage a bunch of shit, it's also how you set up modding for bethesda games
there's a non-steam version of proton called ge-proton that uses a de-steamed steam runtime called umu which you might also want which has some benefits including shipping media codecs valve can't officially and being useful for cracked games
it's also used by other launchers like heroic (gog, epic, amazon)

don't go with any distro that promises long term stability and such nonsense, that just means if something is broken it'll be broken for you for a while
valve is literally involved with every level of linux graphics dev, you want to be on the cutting edge
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>>107431659
So get CachyOS? Or EndeavourOS?
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>>107429799
>What am i supposed to do?
Tell Twitter that the devs are fags and nigs.
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>>107431699
just use arch btw
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Thanks, brothers. I appreciate the response. I'm not an expert like you guys but I'm not a total normie either.

>>107431503
As it pertains to Bazzite, I thought that this was a distro and a complete OS (albeit derived from Fedora). Is my choice now between Mint and Bazzite - can I still use Bazzite for basics like Librex Writer or internet browsing? Seems like maybe the way I'll go if I can in-fact use it for basic internet/application purposes.

>>107431659
I've got some solid hardware (for a laptop) and NVidia - not AMD. So Proton, from Valve, has superseded Wine in usability beyond just gaming? Would you recommend Bazzite
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Okay so I'm a bit confused. My Kubuntu system info says it's using Wayland but I've both read and have been told that I'm somehow not using the Wayland session? I have found no options to change my session anywhere in my OS not even the login screen.
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>>107431699
it truly doesn't matter as long as it has a reasonable update cadence that isn't built around a sysadmin's idea of stability (nothing ever changes) and not users or developers (actually works)
i use opensuse tumbleweed because i heard they did something to KDE to make it more stable (although no one ever explains what) and i already had familiarity with KDE and Qt as a dev
plus AMD's AI stuff made for the SUSE LTS distro works fine on tumbleweed if you manually install like two libraries
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So is Wayland bad? Also are there any x11 distros that work with newer carss? Mint won't boot on mine.
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>>107431755
no, other way around
wine tries to be correct as to the behavior of windows which takes longer and more rigor, proton more just focused on making games work and is more fast and loose
the proton experimental version for example will often have day 1 fixes for new games to get them into a playable state if they're broken but it might cause other less pressing issues

from what i know bazzite is an immutable distro kinda copying what steamOS does, so the base system is read only and updates as a solid block

it seems like they intend for you to either install applications either via flatpaks which basically isolate an application and its dependencies from the system (which does use up more space, and not everything is available like that) or by installing another distro inside it in a container using distrobox and running them there
containers aren't virtual machines (they are on windows lol), they basically just involve installing another set of base libraries and programs that use the same kernel but hidden and isolated from the base system so the performance impacts (i think there are some) are considerably less
because it's still the same OS you also don't have to deal with things like PCIe passthrough if you want to use your gpu

proton, as well as steam's lesser known linux runtime, and flatpaks all also do this but less in your face about it
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>>107431910
No and no
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>>107431755
>can I still use Bazzite for basics like Librex Writer or internet browsing?
yes, it's a normal distro
>nvidia
just temper your expectations. nvidia performs roughly 33% worse in directx12 games using proton. apparently it's a known bug and nvidia is working on fixing it, but their current priority is almost exclusively AI and not gaming. so you'll probably wait 1-2 years before it catches up with windows native performance. this is not a distro issue, it's a driver issue from nvidia.
>Proton, from Valve, has superseded Wine in usability beyond just gaming
proton is only focused on gaming. any generic improvements are backported to wine itself.

>>107431801
you set your session on the login screen. log out, then switch between plasma wayland and plasma x11.
>sudo apt install plasma-session-x11
this will install the x11 version of plasma if you don't have it, but want it.
>I've both read and have been told that I'm somehow not using the Wayland session
you've been lied to then. if you want a couple of ways to check if you're on wayland:
1. run "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" in your terminal.
2. open a text editor and unplug your monitor. then try typing. wayland doesn't let you type without having a monitor plugged in because there's "no screen to type into".
3. you're on kubuntu, so check if you have the ability to adjust your screen gamma and color saturation. search for "gamma" in your system settings, it should be in display & monitor > gamma. if you don't see this then you're on x11.

>>107432024
the big difference between steamOS and bazzite/fedora is that fedora allows you to "modify your system image" by using rpm-ostree. this is the same thing as using dnf or apt, aside from you having to reboot for changes to apply due to how the OS is designed.
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>>107432071
Wayland fails to fullscreen wolf RPGM games. It's shit just because of that. There are lots of other reasons like shuttering on high frame rates, randomly crashing on nvidia, etc.
>inb4 it's nvidia's fault
no it's not.

Anyway, I will donate 1 million euros to KDE if they hire a design artists/designers/UI artists, whatever they might want to call him/her/it to make their desktop environment look modern and intuitive.
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>>107426343
kek
just saw a guy reinstall the whole OS because he couldn't figure out to install kscreen.
It's not entirely his fault because other retards were telling him to do it.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kde-display-settings-where-is-it/182843
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>>107432176
>make their desktop environment look modern and intuitive.
It already is these things. If you want a different DE use GNOME.
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>>107432208
I switch to kde from gnome because gnome is for faggots with humiliation fetish.
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I want to install Alpine linux (which uses OpenRC), but keep using systemd-boot. Is it a stupid idea?
I know that systemd-boot has functionally nothing to do with systemd, but is there a way to install it without installing the whole systemd package?
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>>107425479
our God - the real Linus says Fedora
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>>107432253
I thought Stallman was god while Linus (Torvalds) is Jesus. But then who's the holy spirit?
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>>107432265
Lennart Poettering is the holy spirit. Clearly.
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>>107431910
wayland isn't necessarily bad but it is a mess development wise
unlike x11 every single desktop has their own implementation of wayland because it's only protocols and every single desktop gets to vote on their development
certain people working on it are more concerned with things being hypothetically perfect and with blocking features from being included than with actually developing things
some of them will even just block optional proposals they don't personally like
valve kinda bullied them into getting their act together a bit recently by announcing their intent to do independent protocol development (which they already kinda were, they have like a mini-wayland called gamescope that they added their own implementation of HDR support to since it was stuck in development hell) which spooked them into among other things finishing HDR and at least partially solving some of the issues they were causing for NVIDIA cards
as long as you're using a wayland compositor that implements the sane optional protocols normal people would want (i.e. not GNOME - they're chiefly the ones causing all the problems) it's okay


i switched when there was some shit i wanted to run that was wayland only and i haven't felt a need to go back
the only really annoying part is wayland is being run by security autists who think display software should have a network oriented threat model by default
screen capture and recording involves a bunch of permissions boxes and they insist the ability to have programs for input automation like autohotkey is some massive security threat
clipboard manager also doesn't work as well
like they don't even want applications to be able to pick a display so sometimes a program will show up in a weird place
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but for real how is gaming on wayland?
does xwayland introduce any bugs, input lag, performance hit, etc. ?
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>>107432361
Pretty much imperceptible, sometimes slightly better performance.
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>>107432361
on amd and kwin at least it supposedly performs better than x11
iirc wine also has the experimental ability to use wayland directly now as well
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>>107432361
I've been using wayland for a few years now and it's perfectly fine on AMD and Intel.
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Been considering trying Fedora as a new distro after some issues with my current one but it's going to be such a pain in the ass moving everything over.
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Any BSD users here? can you tell me what's the difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD? I know the latter focuses more on security, but that's not what I'm after. Specifically is there any difference in package management or software availability? also which one is more compatible with Linux apps and software? Also can you run Linux containers inside FreeBSD or OpenBSD?
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>>107432449
A new distro or OS won't solve your PC issues just like a new woman won't solve your relationship issues. There's always some shit you'll have to put up with.
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>>107432449
That's why you do a separate /home partition anon.
Anyway, what's your current distro and what makes you want to switch to fedora?
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>>107432471
I'm using Kubuntu and I've been having random freezes while gaming and the performance doesn't seem to be all that good. It worked for a month but then I updated and started having issues. My specs are
RX 9060 XT
Radeon 5600
32GB Ram
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>in process of ditching Bottles and whatever
>made a script to manage wine prefix and other one to launch game
>always thought I need to use system wide installation of wine etc but as it is, you can just download proton-ge and wine-ge use them externally
>process and the exact software stack isn't that clear, wish there was some well known documentation with easy to follow steps
I also could swear that some games feel snappier with plain script than using a launcher. It should not make any difference though.
Maybe it's just that I have disabled wine/proton logging and redirect any output to /dev/null. Does that make such a big difference?
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>>107426230
You can access your mounts from the shell interface in the GUI at /mnt/pool_name. Go to the menu on the top right of the GUI - > System - > Shell. Alternatively, you can enable SSH and use SFTP to move files off the NAS. You could potentially delete or move files to the boot drive and see if SMB works again.
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>>107432520
I mean I don't need any documentation at this point I have figured out everything, wine/proton just needs few environment variables and gamescope needs its own.
gamemoderun gives free fps, even with dosbox and dos quake (using vrr refresh in dosbox so it unlocks the sync) timedemo demo1.dem gives ~94 fps but with gamemoderun it's ~98 or so. That's pretty substantial.
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How's game performance on a tiling wm?
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What a huge disappointment. Not abotu Fedora obviously, but Gnome.
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>>107432520
>you can just download proton-ge and wine-ge use them externally
yes but you shouldn't, at least not directly
https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher
proton isn't going to work properly outside of a containerized environment, this is steam's de-steamed container environment for running/managing proton-ge and it's fairly straight forward
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>>107432613
JUST. WERKS.
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>>107432630
KDE also just werks. Inb4 KRASHDE
I don't wanna go into the flamewar about which one is best. I just dislike GNOME for estetic reasons a lot, so I am sad he uses that.
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>>107432265
Tux
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>>107432613
I would use GNOME if I could figure why games stutter like shit on it for me compared to KDE. I love how it works I don't even need Dash to Dock.
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>>107432507
>random freezes
Issues like that are not easy to diagnose, it maybe indeed your distro or packages or maybe something completely unrelated and distrohopping wouldn't fix it.
If I were you I would monitor my system carefully to see what's consuming what resources during such freezes, it could simply be a rogue service/daemon/process that happens to spike on the CPU.
>performance doesn't seem to be all that good
Don't expect performance to change between distros, the only things that affect performance really are wine/proton and your GPU drivers, and the latter is built into the kernel for AMD GPUs.
>but then I updated and started having issues
Did the update include a kernel update? If yes then boot back to your previous kernel and see if the issues get solved, most debian based distros keep your old kernel when installing a new one so it should be there in the GRUB menu options.
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>>107432507
dmesg -w
and/or
journalctl -f
During gaming to see what's happening
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>>107432563
about the same as it is on any other kind
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>>107432361
In the vast majority of gaming cases X is just the IPC method the game uses to communicate its window size to the host. dxvk introduces one frame of display latency, but for most purposes this is imperceptible.
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>>107432616
Your post contradicts everything what I said and have empirically proven to myself.
Why would you recommend a fucking launcher when I just told that I made bunch of scripts?
It's either wine-ge-proton or ge-proton.
I should really avoid this thread and its bunch of freetard shills. You don't have any idea what software I'm even running.
Jesus christ, touch grass faggot.
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Is there a way to externally verify that my gpu undervolt set in LACT is actually applying? I'm somewhat skeptical that it's actually stable at -100mV.
Adjusting the fan curve seems to work fine at least.
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Can someone tell me about the "GNOME workflow"? I've seen some people say that it's really good once you get used to it. Is there some secret genius behind having no taskbar and minimize button?
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>>107433064
It helps you focus. Hitting the windows key (overview) is GNOME's answer for a taskbar. I want to see what I have open at all times though so I don't daily drive GNOME but it's not as bad as it might sound. If there's too many windows open you're supposed to put them on another workspace, but I never got in the habit of doing that. It's an okay DE if you're not doing many things at the same time.
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>>107433064
Never used modern GNOME but I'm guessing it's attempting to work as computers used to where you ran one application at a time full screen so you are less distracted maybe, then just have other shit on other virtual screens?

But fuck if I know, GNOME is gay cancer and my suggestion seems too reasonable for those fags 2bh.
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>>107433064
>having no taskbar
>and minimize button?
just extension maxx n gnome tweak it
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>>107433064
it's a non-productive workflow for people who don't do anything other than watch youtube
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>>107433344
At that point why even use GNOME? FrankenGNOME probably is more unstable than KDE and you're probably better off using that
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>>107433064
that is such a vague question you should question your existence
all i need for a good workflow
>fast navigating between apps and windows
>maximizing windows to sides
also you can just add the minimize buttons via gnome-tweaks
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>>107433064
I absolutely hate the GNOME 'workflow'. It feels like a mobile interface forcibly grafted onto a desktop PC. I like to have a taskbar with proper previews of windows instead of fucking dots where I have to guess which window is which. It’s pure click fatigue. I like to just close and minimize my applications without fighting the UI. Why are the minimize buttons gone by default? I have space on my taskbar. I don't need shitty separate desktops if all I want to do is switch between applications with a single click. What is this workflow supposed to be? Slamming my mouse all the way to the top-left just to see my whole desktop? It’s miserable ergonomics on a real monitor. What a concept. I really need that every day.
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>>107433437
>kde
takes too long to set up. that gnome setup is like 5 min tops to toggle stuff
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>>107433451
I am sick of building my desktop out of a house of cards. Why is the default GNOME experience so empty that I have to install fifteen different 'extensions' just to get a functional computer? I need a dock? Extension. I need tray icons? Extension. I need to see my audio output? Extension. And then the best part: the OS updates, and everything breaks. My entire workflow shatters because the developers decided to change an API again. I don't want to spend my weekends debugging Javascript just to keep my taskbar visible. I want an OS that respects my time, not a 'platform' for broken plugins.
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>>107433452
Fair point, but configuring extensions in Gnome takes as much time as configuring KDE settings
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>>107433487
gnome-tweaks isn't an extension, it just adds a config menu
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>>107433452
>takes too long to set up
took me like 5 minutes to set it up
what are you doing that it's taking a long time?
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>>107433504
Jerking it to his workflow that consists of two windows side by side, with one being a shitty YouTube tutorial and the other being a shitty text editor.
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>>107433479
>dock
You don't need that
>tray icons
You don't need that
>I need to see my audio output
You don't need that
>functional computer
You don't need that
>b-but...
You
Don't
Need
T H A T
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>>107433529
>consists of two windows side by side
actually need an extension for that lel
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>>107433549
based!
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>>107433549
ebussy doesn't need users.
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>>107433550
no you don't
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>>107433479
> My entire workflow shatters because the developers decided to change an API again.

When they pulled this shit back in 2011 with the release of gnome 3, that one time was enough for me. I ditched gnome instantly and never looked back.

How the hell are you so cucked that you're still on gnome after they've made clear time and time again that they're hostile to anyone who dares to have needs beyond the absolute vanilla?

Just switch to an alternative desktop. Or buy a mac like the founder of gnome did lol
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>>107433569
ye, im not going to manually tile stuff
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>>107433569
you need one for four windows
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>>107433587
wtf are you talking about, it's literally one key combo
>>107433592
usecase?
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>>107433623
vertical monitor with two applications open
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>>107433451
It's a keyboard driven DE that doesn't look like one. Once you've used it enough you know you always have your terminal in one spot and your browser in another and you just hit the appropriate shortcut. If you want to flick your mouse around all day like a grug stick to KDE or Xfce. The secret is using it long enough to build up the muscle memory but it doesn't take long if you're actually using the shortcuts then you don't think about it at all.
Or you can be a nerd and use a dynamic window manager once you realize the keyboard is your friend.
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one thing i hate about gnome, its by default they have the switch windows and switch programs bound to the same key instead of having it super+tab for programs and alt+tab for windows
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>>107433675
that's your distro doing things
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>>107433688
no its the default, have to always change it in keyboard settings
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>>107433718
>>107433732
even if that's the case, the godtier option is to use the switch windows of an application, it combos nicely with changing apps
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>>107433675
I've never even heard of "switching applications". Desktops use windows, so switching between them makes sense. Switching to an application would mean switching to a specific app window is unpredictable.
It's the same shit as using application grouping in your panel's task manager. That's a terrible default which I always have to change to "do not group" in Plasma.
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>>107433657
'It's a keyboard driven DE that doesn't look like one' is just a fancy way of admitting the UI design is a confused mess. If it’s designed for the keyboard, why does it waste half my screen with massive, touch-friendly title bars and padded menus? You’re admitting that the graphical interface is so functionally useless that you have to bypass it with shortcuts just to get anything done. That’s not a feature; that’s a failure of design. And spare me the 'grug' insults about using a mouse. The mouse exists for a reason: pointing and clicking is the fastest way to switch to exactly what I’m looking at. You know what’s actually primitive? Forcing users to memorize invisible states because the UI refuses to show them what is running. A taskbar gives me instant visual confirmation. Hiding that information isn't 'advanced,' it's just making simple tasks harder. Your entire argument about 'muscle memory' and keeping 'terminal in one spot, browser in another' completely collapses the second you try to do actual work. It’s easy to feel superior about your shortcuts when you’re jerking it to a workflow that consists of two windows side by side, with one being a shitty YouTube tutorial and the other being a shitty text editor. But some of us have complex workflows with variable windows, multiple instances of the same app, and dynamic needs. 'Muscle memory' doesn't help me distinguish between five open PDF files—a proper taskbar with text labels does. I shouldn't have to memorize a spatial map of my computer just to switch windows.

Simpleton DE.
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not reading that
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>>107433796
true
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>>107433811
because it's true and you know it
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>>107433796
thank you anon gpt
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>>107433924
that's CHAD GPT to you, sir
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>>107425390
Oh yeah steam machine is going to be like 1000$+ cuz of RAM's ...
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is it possible to run waydroid on x11?
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>>107434151
sure thing buddy

>>107434159
no. otherwise it would've been called x11droid.
there's an abandonware project for android on x11. but just like x11 it hasn't had a single commit this decade.
there is also this - https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer
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>>107434223
M'kay edgelord...
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>>107433180
fedora
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>>107425390
i have a controller that is working with steam big picture mode, but when i load into a game, the game doesn't detect any controller. doesn't work with steam input enabled/disabled, and all the inputs can be read by evtest. any idea what more i could do to troubleshoot the issue? pls someone help i am retarded
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>>107434478
i know what problem you have. i had that exact problem a few months ago. your problem is that you have linux installed.
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>>107434466
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>>107434551
Can someone make a real thread?
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>>107434159
No but you can run a Wayland compositor nested inside of Xorg
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>>107434794
Here's your real thread, bro:
>>107434876
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>>107434478
all games or one game?
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>>107434478
I had that on Fedora like a week ago and it just disappeared with the next update.

Could also be a flatpak issue. Don't use flatpak for Steam.
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>>107435159
seems like all games
>>107435187
i am not using flatpack, just the aur build
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>>107433180
Gentoo or Debian or Alpine, etc. Pretty much most major distros support ARM64.



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