Faceplate techs edition How to request advice:>Budget>Intended use (media, source, environment)>Frequency response preference and music examples>Past gear and your thoughts on themFAQ:>Where do I buy IEMs?Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/>Frequency Response Graph Toolsquig.link>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35>Bullet IEMs:• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140>Flathead Earbuds:• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10>USB-C DACs:• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18• Snowsky Melody (10-Band PEQ) - $38• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110>PMPs:• HiBy R1 - $85• HiBy M300 - $200>AVOID USING:• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver posPrevious Thread: >>107408299
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>>107425456it's still the ONLY reason why various pos have various degrees of soundstageand yes, it is related to FR perception - but at the eardrum, so let's keep guessing what parts of FR are relevant
>>107425498>it's still the ONLY reasonit's not very helpful and explains nothing tho>and yes, it is related to FR perception - but at the eardrum,most likely true>so let's keep guessing what parts of FR are relevantprobably differs from individual to individual
>>107425205if an audio file has distortion in it's mix, you can't EQ out that distortion. it's still distortion, just at lower volume. you're mixing up a signal with the systems that play them. an FR just shows the speaker's coloration to every waveform you put through it.
>>107425556>if an audio file has distortion in it's mix, you can't EQ out that distortionand? why would you want to>an FR just shows the speaker's coloration to every waveform you put through itwhat else is there to show???
>>107425613not mixing up anything, i am only discussing the effects of iem properties (distortion and FR) on the output that a person is hearingthe only things that will differentiate one music file being played on one iem vs another is the added distortion and spectral change as discussed
>>107425641do two completely different mixes sound the same on a single pos?
>>107425881does the same mix sound the same on two completely different pos?
>>107425491Imagine reading that shit
>>107425718my cock
>>107425934nope. speakers add their own coloration. we covered this. back to my question. do two completely different mixes sound the same on one pos? yes or no. if you can't answer directly, I accept your concession.
>>107425950it's real schizoposting
>>107425881no because the mixes are different>>107425934no because the pos are different>>107425950>>107426053techtards are NOT beating the allegations
eqtards won
>>107425491Techs were solved last thread. >>107414091
>>107426064>techtardsIm on your side buddy viva la FR and all that, m just not reading that shi
>>107425718Rue, Decet, Luki/Konoka, literally any IEM from >>107413847 with TA-66 and EQ
>>107426111Shut fake thc schizo
If a $10-15 Decet is possible next sale I'll buy a 2nd one to gift sum1
>>107426141>implying im not really high
USD is THDTHD is techsMystery solved.
>>107425457Thoughts on Ziigaat Odyssey (original not 2)?
>>107426163Nigga you smoke bath salts out of a meth pipe by your own admission. I dont think R2R is whats making you hear techs here.
What was the site for browser PEQ that works with various brand dongles?
worth it for 17aud (2 dollar shipping)?
>>107426195it's like a mini subtonic storm. still worth it in Dec 2025
>>107426288No, only KZ you should ever buy is EDC Pro.
>>107426201I'm not a tweaker cept for caffeine but wait I think you're onto something here, drugs is also techs. genius
>>107426312And Dawn, Kunten, PR2, AZ09
>>107426288>>107426312astronomically outclassed and outperformed by GK Kunten at half the price.
>>107426338Half of $0?
Measurements are worthless because FR is the one thing you can change.
>bolt aliexpress driver to the end of a trashcan>tune to Harman target>still sounds like trash
>>107426353
>>107426326Can confirm on Dawn.Too bad Dawn's cable is fixed and flimsy at that. It's the basscannon Kbear Rosefinch without the 8k earraep peak.
I'll probably get my Kunten tomorrow so I can confirm if it's as good as Dawn and EDC Pro, the best $3 total I ever spent
>mfw GK is just KZ backwards
>>107426288>KZ sells 3-packs I kneel.
>tanchjim tanya's being discontinuedGet the remaining stock while you can, 20 free clog resistant filters, or free Tanya, depending which you value more. Bunny does not come with spare filters.
>>107425491> IEM's are minimum phasenot all IEM's are perfectly minimum phase, any of the following behaviours and or design properties within an IEM result in said IEM no longer adhering to minimum phase dominated acoustic output;- crossovers in multi-BA or hybrid IEMs- long, complex bore paths- multiple bores with different lengths- venting -> delayed bass energy- acoustic damping networks (tubes, filters, etc)any of the aforementioned properties can introduce excess phase or group delay that does not follow the minimum-phase rule.Single-DD IEMs are closest to being minimum phase (therefore having the least techs)Multi-BA and hybrid/tribrid IEMs tend to show more non-minimum-phase behavior.
>>107426953>t.
>>107426040>do two completely different mixes sound the same on one posobviously no (sorry I forgot about this conversation completely)
>>107428156>not all IEM's are perfectly minimum phaseit literally doesn't change anything. and there are so few examples it's not even worth mentioning also>perfectlynothing you mentioned actually matters because IEM is literally in your fucking ear and so close to an eardrum those things do not make that much difference.>any of the aforementioned properties can introduce excess phase or group delay that does not follow the minimum-phase rule.>canin like 99% of cases they won't>Single-DD IEMs are closest to being minimum phase (therefore having the least techs)>Multi-BA and hybrid/tribrid IEMs tend to show more non-minimum-phase behavior.that's just nonsense based on nothingdid chatGPT write this? phrasing kinda gives off the vibe
>>107428156chatgpt is wrong>crossovers in multi-BA or hybrid IEMsonly correct answer, and only occurs in miniscule frequency ranges. not significant in any way>long, complex bore paths>multiple bores with different lengths>venting -> delayed bass energy>acoustic damping networks (tubes, filters, etc)all of these will influence the FR and do not introduce excess phaseshow us one measurement of excess group delay on iems that is actually relevant>Single-DD IEMs are closest to being minimum phasedespite being the iem type with the most venting, and yet no issues with excess group delayany mention of non-minimum phase adherence should be supported with concrete evidence showing that eq cannot fix the issue, that there is significant excess group delay, and that non-minimum phase behavior can be explained and replicated
>>107428243> only occurs in miniscule frequency ranges> not significant in any waywhere's your proof?
>>107428295both you and chatGPT do not understand acoustics
>>107428295where is your proof? the only iem to my knowledge that has a problem with crossovers creating a null that is unfixable is the storm because that chunky pos uses 7 crossovers for no reasonthat's how rare it is, good luck finding any excess group delay measurement that shows such an issue
I rec'd this as a pmp, ordered before sale ends
>>107428350>null that is unfixablenta, but not even with EQ??
>>107428391probably not, it's beyer 770 levels of fucked up nullthey had to go out of their way to introduce such a messed up response, commendable
>>107425457black friday haul just came in.any guesses?hint: total price is less than $50.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007917283382.htmlSomeone recommended this a few days ago, CVJ Flora. Is it good compared to other cheap shit? I can't see anything about this specific model in the archive.
>>107428526cringy shit just like your cringy desk jesus christ anon do better
>>107428156>>107428241>>107428243FR=IR even when the system is not minimum phase. They are literally calculated from each other.
fr literally doesn't matter
>minimum phasemy pos are maximum phase
>>107428761solved last thread for the thousandth time.
if Chu is supposed to be extremely close to diffuse field, why was it never praised for techs?
>>107428833because it was close to diffuse field
>>107428912close to neutral, relatively speaking, right?
>>107428913diffuse field is not neutral, relative or not
>>107428833FR needs to fit your HRTF to have techs or to have colorations that brain will interpret as techseither way the only way to find out is to listen
>>107428919>relative or notsure it is. "neutral at the eardrum in a diffuse sound field".
>>107428947you have and will never find yourself in a diffuse sound field
>>107428955>you have and will never find yourself in a diffuse sound field.don't need to be. that's what the targets are for>>107428930so the only factor missing for techs is inputting my HRTF into the equation?
>>107428833bottom of the barrel drivers, in spite of tuning
>>107428983the goal of targets is to be preferred, diffuse field is used as a bottom anchor in preference studies>>107428989how is the driver bottom of the barrel?
>>107425620Reminder that mixzo's methodology is to IMAGINE what a mix is supposed to sound like and then judge an IEM by how close it is to what you imagine. He never answered what kind of an IEM plays the mix as intended.
>>107428983>so the only factor missing for techs is inputting my HRTF into the equation?I'd say it's most likely factor. It's hard to say for sure because measurements at the eardrum are complicated
>>107429002my point about being close to neutral was the implication that it is more true to the audio. if that were the case, holographic sounding audio should sound that way on something like the Chu. it never did..
>>107429029because it's not the case
>>107429029it is not close to neutralneutral is equal to preferenceor put in other words, neutral is what the engineers would be hearing, which means a flat anechoic response speaker placed in a semi-reverberant roomdoes that sound like diffuse field to you?
>>107429009thought the clarification is as close to neutral as possible is as close to the audio you're getting. so the absolute most neutral pos should be play audio as closely imaging-wise as possible, showing these techs. where is that? doesn't exist. chu, as neutral as it may be, even with further EQ, won't spread out the mix it's already squashing. won't widen the stereo mix further than it is. the drivers do that. that's what I mean by bottom of the barrel drivers.
>>107428526judging from the price limit and that typical aliexpress packaging, let me gas, it's a whole bunch of kz slop?
Price is a greater indicator of driver quality than FR. Overpriced pos charts better but is still e-waste compared to the humble Chu2
>>107429009he is so goated, mental midgets could never
mixzo thinks that DF is neutralnext thing you know, they'll say that shartur invented haram
how do we get chinks to stop using deafman tuning
>>107429078yawn. I accept your concession.
>>107429069>as close to neutral as possible What is neutral? What IEM did you use to determine what is neutral?>won't spread out the mix it's already squashing. So it can't spread out but can squash it. Where is the squasher part inside the IEM? What are its measurements?
>>107429069>the drivers do that.do what
>>107429069>thought the clarification is as close to neutral as possible is as close to the audio you're getting. so the absolute most neutral pos should be play audio as closely imaging-wise as possible,that's wrong>chu, as neutral as it may bethere's no absolute neutralsound signature will vary depending on insertion depth tooat what insertion depth do you think chu is neutral lmao
>>107429087we have a good amount of jm-1 tuned pos tho
>>107429072Low distortion is bad actually.
>>107429070hahaha yep. kz sloppa it is. a whole bunch of a starter kit.Pisces (2DD)AN01 (AAC+LDAC)LS01 (xelastec knockoff)T8 cable (with 8 tuning switch)KZ large case (pelican knockoff)what im interested the most is the KZ T8 tuning cable. gonna try it out to see if it works with the Pisces.
>>107426312Rattie get over it transjim is bad but KZ is only marginally worse
Good morning my indians and asians! Another day another rupee, all while listening to my EQ'd (to perfection) chus!
>>107426291fuck off Jay
ddhifi e3 + e3m review:- e3: smaller than I thought it'd be, very cute and portable, great build quality, great sound quality, really nice pre-amp toggle button.- e3m: attaches to any magsafe compatible phone/case, very comfy to keep everything AIO
love my kiwi ears cadenza, kinda old pos but hasnt blown out like my other half a dozen cheap pos that either sound screechy, has weird fit, or made of chinese gutter plastic. Isolation is very nice too
