1st

because I have nothing better to do

How many months of unemployment before I should start panicking and/or settle for shitjobs?

>>107434120
depends on how much money in the bank you have or how doting your parents are. I. I'd panic at ~6 months until homelessness.

>small to mid sized companies need IT but aren't willing to pay an employee to do it
>thousands upon thousands of small businesses everywhere
>barrier to entry is practically free, all you need is a laptop and a car
Why haven't YOU taken the consultancypill yet, /utwg/? You get to be your own boss and you can make extremely good money. And as a bonus, you can grow a business and help fix the shitty IT job market.

I have been a loser my whole life so disappointment is nothing new to me. Have you guys also been losers your whole life?

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>>107434593
>Very true very true bud
>
>I have an appointment with a financial manager - You think I should steer well away from that? I can't be added with renting out a house lmao yuck people...

>>107434960
Yes, we've all been nobodies all our lives.
>>107434948
Because high-school never ends. It's never about skill or meritocracy; it's about who you know, not what you know.

If a hiring company asks you to complete a 30 – 45 minutes task when applying, to increase your chances of getting noticed, do you dodge it?

when do I start shorting coreweave with my NEETbux

>>107435213
I'm doing a 4 week unpaid training for a job, I'm needy.

>>107434948
>Why haven't YOU taken the consultancypill yet
I don't know how

>>107422107
They sent me the final HR tests. All thats left is a possible talk with the VP (maybe not even that) and an offer letter. Fuuuuuck.

>>107422107
>At the end they asked me hobby questions, favorite superhero and spirit animal
Humiliation ritual

>>107435634
I said it was spawn

>>107434948
That market is filled by MSPs

>>107435966
MSPs aren't usually very budget-friendly to smaller businesses.

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>>107435616
Got a call from the recruiter, all thats left is the hr forms and background check. They want to go straight to a salaried position, but actually bumped up my contract pay rate to 60 an hour if I want that.

How hard is the AWS SAA cert? I think I'll study for 3 weeks during winter break then take it. The CCP took me a week to study for.

>>107434948
Because people need some entry level experience to know what a business might need in the first place, like knowledge of what readymade solutions people tend to use in small businesses, accounting/POS/inventory management/surveillance/blah blah software, so you can actually sell them something they can afford.

>>107436407
thats a good thing. we need to bring in more hard working third worlders that do the job's nobody wants to do. like doing illegal traffic manuvers and crashing into families and killing them with a fake DOT number and a questionably acquired CDL

>>107437384
>like doing illegal traffic manuvers and crashing into families and killing them with a fake DOT number and a questionably acquired CDL
its called TALENT wh*toid

>>107437384
finally something the english were faster than americans at

>>107436309
That is why they are so successful though. Because they get to scalp the fuck out of small businesses.

>>107434960
when i hit puberty yeah but before that i was popular and super good at sports so i had a ton of friends.. but im ugly and always the shortest in my grade

after 13 years old its been loserville since lol unironically peaked in 7th grade

found out the job i applied and interviewed for (and was subsequently told to fuck off) was just reposted. best case scenario the guy they went with was just using them to negotiate for better salary elsewhere or failed his background check. either way they can kiss my balls for wasting my time.

Fuck it I'm actually gonna apply to half of my jobs with a real resume and half of them with the same resume except all identifiers are changed to Indian names.

I'm certain that HR is trying to make things worse by filtering out all white male names in protest.

Might end up taking a 3 month contract to hire role just so my hands are on code and I have an income, praying I get full time, it’s also remote

Out of curiosity what's the ratio of swe/programmer types to actual proper infra (sysadmin/sysengineer/netadmin/netengineer) types here? I've always thought of /g/ as being more a programming dominated board don't end up seeing much discussion on the infra side and generally visit fairly infrequently. I haven't noticed as many issues with my side of the market compared to desktop and programmer types and have been kinda curious if there's just a heavy skew here.

>>107437966
You missed the DevOps meme we are doing both swe and ops

>>107437974
Most of the devops positions I've come across largely seem to either by sysadmin positions where you're expected to know python or swe positions where you're expected to have some infra knowledge. The pay looks nice but I haven't really touched them personally as a more classical sys engineer type that's moving into more pacs admin type work these days.

any grown man that uses the word "infra" unironically in conversation deserves to have his balls crushed with a ball peen hammer.

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300 out of 600 react sections done wooooo! I think we've covered all the basics now we're just covering all the add ons like redux, react router, react query/tanstack query, next.js, RSC and animations. Oh yeah after that there was a socket io chapter I skipped because it used react and I'm sure nothing changes when using socket io in react but I better check it out real quick. Then we can get back to the project for realsies.

I have a job but I feel like o belong here because I hate it so much but I can't find a new one regarding cloud stuff.

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finishing up my stint in grad school by next july and looking to get back in the market. what the actual fuck is going on? is this just how things are now? how does anyone find a job without a reference?

>>107433721
>Sent curriculum + cover letter from the website of a local business where they post their open positions
>2 days and still no response
Given the context where I live (little country, basically very few programmers) I expected to receive a response this week wtf

>>107439542
>canada
lol

>>107440318
it is a literally retarded A+ dropout furfaggot do not respond.

>>107440504
kill yourself schizo and never reply to me again

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>>107434960
It's a matter of perspective. A "loser" is someone with no skills whatsoever, someone not putting any effort into furthering himself. A slob.

If you base your own sense of self-worth on a single paycheck or the approval of others in general, i don't know what to tell you really

You are not your job. Only you yourself are responsile for creating your own meaning in life, a job can't/won't do that for you

>>107435213
> it's about who you know, not what you know.

... Case in point.

>>107440514
You lost, furfaggot.

>>107440318
>canada
you know it's bad when even our propaganda outlet (cbc.ca) has run out of anything good to even try lying about and desperately has to spin absolutely dystopic shit as good actually (and even then half the front page is recipes and tabloid shit about "stars" from bumblefuck saskatchewan that no one cares about)

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>Recruiter hits me up for a cleared network engineer position
>Half-jokingly tell him I haven't touched a switch in five years, but I enjoyed it so I'll take this job if they're desperate to hire
>He calls me and it turns out they genuinely are desperate to hire (they set the pay range too low) so he submits me for the job
>Figure I'll get rejected for lack of networking experience
>Recruiter calls me a few days later and I have correctly guessed that they aren't going to interview me
>But it's not because of my lack of networking experience, actually he says they're impressed by my resume (I think this is standard recruiter speak, but it still feels good to hear)
>It's because I DON'T HAVE A POLYGRAPH ON RECORD (I didn't even know this job required one desu)
Jesus Christ I have a TS/SCI and it's not doing shit for me in this market.

>>107434960
I've been meaning to kill myself since my sophomore year of high school.

>>107437966
I do basically anything IT but programming.

>>107440794
The government really needs to get rid of polygraph requirements since they select for psychopaths but I guess that's the point, isn't it?

>>107440794
>because I DON'T HAVE A POLYGRAPH ON RECORD (I didn't even know this job required one desu)
What's that

>>107440810
Government gets the same work oriented people that work in finance, investing, and banking. You ever work for 24 hours then nap for another 4 and do it again for a week? That is why psychopaths work in the government aside from benefits and pay. They are the only ones that can handle that shit.

>>107440794
>>107440810
Some agencies do polys for TS/SCI, some don't. The ones that do barely been recognize clearances from the ones that don't. They might grant them a visitor pass. That's why it's customary to list your clearance as "TS/SCI with full scope" or something like that.
>>107440815
When you get polygraphed for a clearance, your results go on your record. They expire after time (5 years I think, but might depend on the agency), then you have to do it again. Usually only the "counterintelligence" one though.

>>107440815
What used to be known as the "Lie Detector" until everyone realized that it was full of shit.

>>107440851
Its a filter that works well enough. The tool being used isn't what gets you its the line of questioning. Do you really want people that can't pass or won't take it for the job?

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muahahahahaha

>>107440860
It doesn't work at all. It's literally just a test for how nervous you get when someone screams at you. Guess who's good at passing a test like that? Psychopaths. It's so full of shit that no court of law accepts them as evidence anymore.

>>107440871
Oh and not to mention since it's so dependent on context, if the tester wants to fail you, it's trivially easy to find something to trip you up on. They'll ask some really esoteric shit, or like start asking you algebra questions, and the minute your heart rate goes up, you failed.
A lot of guys I know who work in lower government positions say they refuse to take the polygraph because it's a career ender.
It's meant to select for psychopaths, and the only kind of person who could honestly believe otherwise is a retarded boomer who doesn't know any better because he grew up in a White society.
It's as much bullshit as criminal psychology.

>>107440794
waiting to get SCI from my current job. once i do i'm going to bounce. if i can't get a better job with a TS/SCI i'm going to go fucking ballistic. wasted over 2 years of my life with this shit underpaid job just for a security clearance

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>>107437966
I do literally zero IT work (the most I can do is set up a minecraft server and port forward, with a guide) but I hecking LOVE coding

>>107440794
clearances don't transfer. you would have to do a new one for the new company anyway. it was a ghost job and they trolled you

>>107437966
IT is not Tech. Fuck off furry.

>>107441013
Good to see you retards have schizo shit over here as well. I recommend swinging by /vg/ ours are funnier.

>>107440999
>clearances don't transfer
yes they do

>>107440861
>boomers will have to suffer hardship
>only then does the MSM admit that stonk gdp index number going up does not actually mean quality of life going up

>>107441038
mine didn't. when i had to get one i asked why considering i had one active and the recruiter told me straight up "because you don't work for us yet we don't have access to your file, dummy, you gotta do a new one that says you work for us specifically, and if it was from the military we don't have access to that system at all and don't bother sending us anything from it because we aren't allowed to read it"

granted, it only took like a month to get it my "new" clearance because, ofc, i already had one. but i still had to reapply either way and even then had to use a different web portal to do it than before because it wasn't for gubberment directly. and my clearance for the company and my clearance for the government even have different expiry dates and conditions.

for example, if i stop working for the company i lose it, and may "lose it"(have to re-file and be "provisional" until it is renewed) if my job description changes too much, but my gubberment one stays active until expiry and has no real special conditions that make me lose it for something that isn't a crime, and transfers directly if i go become a federale or start working at a listening post or whatever. they also have different caveats, like my gubberment one implicitly has ITAR but no one cares and I never got a formal briefing on it because the government does not directly export/import things. I did have to get a comsec one, because I touched comsec stuff. meanwhile, at my new job I asked about comsec and they just went "lol no, why" but had to do a bunch of ITAR-specific shit because shockingly a company exports stuff sometimes

Shut the fuck up furnigger.

>>107440999
>>107441127
This sounds like what I've heard often happens when going between spook agencies and any other clearance holder (most commonly DoD) because, as you said, they use different systems of records and slightly different approval criteria and shit.
Otherwise it sounds like they fucked up, though not tremendously.

>>107437966
>I haven't noticed as many issues with my side of the market compared to desktop and programmer types and have been kinda curious if there's just a heavy skew here.
It's still bad, but you're right that it's not nearly as bad as the dev side of IT. Most of the sysadmins complaints just get drowned out by thirty-forty posts whining about leetcode.

>>107441458
It's a bit of a stagnate field but it's felt harder and harder to find my own kin online. Doesn't help that much of the field is starting to age out and very little new blood coming in.

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>>107434960
it do be like that.

>>107434948
You're delulu if you think that some nobody can simply bootstrap his own consulting agency with no connections or publicity. I'd like to see how someone who's never even been employed at The Big 5 could nab a single client of its own.

>>107434960
>Have you guys also been losers your life
In the Western world, this is just all White men who weren't lucky enough to get a trust-fun or Chad genetics.

>>107433721
anyone else having trouble deciding what offer to go with? Being an ai engineer is pretty hard these days, everyone is bending over backwards to try to get you on their team. glad i only accept offers with cash + equity it really helps weed out the bad offers

>>107437966
/g/ used to be full of sysadmins/network engineers. that was back when being a "sysadmin" meant that you could hack, script, reverse engineer, understood computer networking etc. But since most of /g/ doesn't really care about computers anymore, in the professional world you can just get away with learning the things you need to get a job.

>>107443190
what do you need to know to get AI engineer jobs?

>>107443670
Hindi

>>107443670
Have you been using ai for 4 years? Can you actually use an ai api for anything other then a basic bitch chat bot?

but if you have it's pretty easy. And it's super fun because the technology is so new. it's a great fucking time to be alive and in technology

>>107443722
the AI engineer jobs I have come across asks for a lot more than just using APIs

there was a job ad open and I considered applying every day and now it's gone

>>107441038
If you have an Interim and get laid off you may get removed from processing. Happened to me

>>107441127
JObless retard FURFAGGOT yet again spouting nonsense and disinfo because he is a loser who does not even A+. Sad and hilarious. LMAOing at your life.

>>107443781
in my last job they actually hired a dude that included he programs with ai in his resume
when he came to visit us he was bragging how much ai does for him and he doesn't have to do anything

>>107437966
learning infra needs more than 10$ thinkpad and jeet tutorials you use for coding + niggas got memed into coding jobs because dailys, retros, scrum and similiar shit weren't so common so you could just be non talking sperg

i'm getting 30 minute call in one hour
feel like i need to piss and shit and cum already

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>>107441127
Anytime the furnigger spouts ITAR you know he's a larping faggot. Never worked a day in his life and posts with the gay anime shit too to switch it up. But will call you a schizoid that needs to take his meds when you point out how he changes image folders mid call out.

Society is basically on a race where the 65yo boomers seek to kill off all the young men so they can fuck the young women, before the young men realize how badly they've been scammed and kill their fathers off, who themselves only have a few years to live and have castrated the future in hopes of immortality for the sake of a small numer of elites.
This is what's happening to us.

>>107444894
Old fashion tribal warfare. Were the elders started wars over capturing women, land and resources while the young men died in droves. Then the older men fucked the captured women as their second or third wives. Common story in native american societies.

Had a phone call asking for availability for interview next week on Monday. Today's Friday and I haven't received any additional information or invites. It's over.

Would a DUI show up on a background check and if so would that bar me from getting hired?

Can I skip the 6 hour next.js section or should I watch it? My personal project will just use react and express/socket io but I want to get a job.

>>107445405
Yes but not barred unless your job requires extensive travel or driving.

>>107444364
went meh, sperged out, spaghetti fell out of pockets, didn't expect phone call from hr to get into technical stuff

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another day in my poorfag incel chud life
lets see, today I can:
>spend all day playing vidya
>spend all day studying / working on projects / prepping for interviews hoping it will land me a job
>spend a few hours applying to jobs
>a combination of all 3
i want to do none of these
I wish I had purpose in my life

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you should be able to work on and off in tech like seasonal jobs. employers must stop caring about resume gaps

>>107445830
how long is ur gap lol? mine is coming up on 10 months and ive never been asked about it

>>107438697
are you ready to start learning angular and vue when you're done?

>redux toolkit

Oh thank merciful christ now it's actually possible to understand what wires are going which way

>>107445653
Nice so wfh would be ok?

>>107445972
Yes it's not a big deal even for government jobs were every 1/8th person has either a speeding ticket or a DUI or smoked weed before.

>250+ apps
>not a single interview
>get a call today
>thick indian accent lady
>one of the jobs I applied for was actually a scam and they want me to pay $750 for "training" and they'll place me at a job and then want 5-10% of a year's salary when I get that job
A bit disheartening. I knew when it was an indian that I was ngmi

>>107434120
You start panicking when the money runs out. Until then, focus on finding a job.

>>107434960
>Have you guys also been losers your whole life?
No. Losers are losers for a reason.

>>107436329
Doing what?

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Bri'ish people the trend is changing at your universities. Soon there's gonna be an IT jobs boom because those pesky paki bastards and their bengali counterparts aren't allowed anymore

>>107446581
>those pesky paki bastards and their bengali
yea, and what about the indians? UK is fucked.

Why do I keep seeing jobs for training AI models that pay like $40+ an hour? Are they scams? I can't imagine how writing throwaway code that isn't used anywhere is worth any amount of money.

>>107446603
it's a scam. look at the reviews. some people get "work" for a month or so and then it stops for no reason.

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>>107445711
Cheer up, bro! You can still help society and maybe even connect with the opposite sex.

Let go

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>locked out of my linkedin account because persona didn't accept photos of my face and driver's license
>errors filling out help forms with the e-mail i used to make the account so need to use an alt
>tech support named pooja says I can't use an alt for communicating and redirects me to the form i filled out where i used my regular address

>>107446630
But they still get paid for that first month?

>>107446701
>locked out of my linkedin account because persona didn't accept photos of my face and driver's license
bc ur ugly

>>107444364
>>107445689
How did you spill spaghetti? Were you lying about experience to HR?

>>107443573
It doesn't help that the sysadmin field has widened a lot. I need to know basic routing and switching concepts but from a day to day perspective aside from just understanding basic vlans and some rare light dns work I don't end up needing my old ccna type knowledge very often. I have to write occasional deployment scripts or very light automation but otherwise I don't script very often and most of what I do is just from random documentation on google. I've never really had to do anything resembling reverse engineering ever. Most of my job is just maintaining and supporting shitloads of application servers/some light automation/spinning up new servers for vendors and implementing stuff for them/physically maintaining some racks/working with some storage stuff/babysitting end users occasionally/doing certs/restarting random interfaces when they kill themselves. I feel like I could teach my job to a zoomer in a few months without that many issues though it is a larger stressful workload and the younger guys coming in struggle with these things a lot. I think in my tenure so far I've never really even had to touch such a massive variety of things like gpos/most of the AD stack/never really worked with auth stuff beyond occasionally ldapping new applications/never really had to work with much network level stuff aside from calling the network admins fags and making them do stuff for me.

There's such a massive variety of "admin" tasks that even in my smaller team of about half a dozen people running around 5k active users across maybe 4k end devices (mix of mostly thin clients and a few hundred regular pcs) almost nobody really overlaps responsibility. One of our guys runs all of the vmware environment (something like 30 esxi hosts) and thin clients and basically nothing else and it's been that way for coming on 7 years. He's just never had a reason or time to do much else.

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>check google careers
>ONE JOB in the US matching my stack and experience level
>"Sorry you've already applied to this job within the last 90 days, please wait before applying again"

>>107445942
Why the fuck would you do that?

Pick one big framework and pick some innovative one like Svelte

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>>107446758
Wrong. My mom says I'm handsome.

>>107446710
no one ever complained that they did not get paid. You do get paid for your work from what I've read. People just get mad that eventually it dries up and never returns and their not given a reason why

>>107445619
Next seems like a big name in React and tons of jobs ask for it

>>107446515
cybersecurity

>>107446792
she's just telling you that so you don't kill yourself.

>>107446645
is "helping society" correlated with "connecting with the opposite sex"?

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>>107446833
:(

>>107446782
I always tell people that if they want a job in tech night shift for msp/noc are almost hiring and they'll take just about anyone who breaths and is willing to sit at a desk with a gun to their head on the shittiest hours imaginable. You do ideally need to be in an area without actual datacenters though. It's the foolproof way to slingshot into an eventual sysadmin career.

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>>107446843
Society only exists because people reproduce, I guess.

>>107446601
>and what about the indians?
Don't worry about them bro.

>>107446701
????????

linkedin requires KYC shit now?

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Just got an offer and I'm pretty sure I only got it because I speak Fingolian.

>>107447042
this nigga gonna be making alan wake 3

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>>107446701
I had this shit happen to me before. The only way to contact them was through a support form that *suspiciously* didn't work if I used my main email address (the one my account is registered under), but it worked when I used my other email address.
I explained everything in detail in the email, including why I was using a different email address than the one linked to my account, and yet Ranjesh didn't care and just closed the ticket without letting me explain further. No way to talk to someone on the phone either.
In the end, I went through the Persona humiliation ritual and sent them a GDPR request immediately after I got access back, but I'm under zero illusion that they actually deleted the data instead of immediately sending it to Palantir and the Mossad. When (not if) Persona get hacked and the picture of my passport + the scan of my face is in there, I won't be one bit surprised.

Total HR death btw, literally the only reason I'm on that shithole website is so they don't think I'm an antisocial sperg.

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>>107447094
total HR jihad

>>107447094
>When (not if) Persona get hacked and the picture of my passport + the scan of my face is in there, I won't be one bit surprised.
But think of the $50 you can get when the class action lawsuit ends in a settlement. :^)

>Check recruiter's Facebook page
>She's married to a dude who looks vaguely like me but a foot taller and passed through a gigachad filter
huh

>>107446972
They have for a few months now.

>>107446972
Yeah, they do it if they suspect you're a bot (which is obviously BS but that's what they say). I think my account got flagged because I was signed in on two browsers at once (there was a bug with sorting the skills on your profile that was only on Firefox but it worked on Chromium; it has since been fixed).
Interestingly, I've never seen or noticed any bots on LinkedIn, as opposed to Reddit, Twitter, YouTube etc which are absolutely inundated with them. Plenty of real people clearly using GPT to "write" their faux-motivational fluff posts though.

Unfortunately my shitty country is debating a ban on social media for minors at the moment (copying Australia's comically poorly implemented one), so I really hope that they won't make every LI user upload their ID to some sketchy American company to continue using it (although I think they eventually will because normies are retarded and will fall for anything if the government says it's to "protect children", future implications be damned)

>>107446773
no, i just didn't really recall my workflow from a job i had 3 years ago because i didn't expect a call from non technical hr person to get in depth about that
explaining what i do felt like explaining it to my mom with basic shit
99% of phone calls i had were just to check im not a complete retard and when can we schedule teams meeting with actual it guy + hr, this one went cringe af but I think i may have dodged a bullet considering they cut the costs by doing almost full interview over phone

>>107440504
i genuinely have no idea who the fuck you're talking about. it's my literal first time posting in this thread you absolute schizo

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i hate these onboarding crap

>>107448509
>they'll much safer there
maybe an indian wrote these

I just saw a video of a guy's workflow making apps using cursor and is the most soulless shit ever made. I don't want to be a software engineer anymore.

>>107448521
Indian unemployment is so low these days

>>107448466
it's a filter for deranged or seething applications. If you can't keep your vomit down to pick the obviously correct response from a bunch of questions, you're never going to be able to restrain yourself from attacking HR or sabotaging the company after you're dishonorably replaced.

>>107448466
>>107448478
>>107448488
>>107448509
>>107448516
i presume these are for a non-tech wagie job, right?

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html
css
javascript
react forma de redux forma de redux toolkit
node.js forma de express forma de socket io
mongodb forma de mongoose
And of course my secret platform which I'm developing my very own api for.

That's right.

I just need one more walmart job and to save up 4k to get my degree and to finish my little project then I'll finally achieve my birth right and become a junior javascript webdev and get my very own apartment and have sex.

You can't stop it. Just enjoy the show. Also I think I can only handle 50 sections of react a day now and I know enough to continue working on my project so I shall be doing that. I'll just rewrite it again if I learn something important whatever.

>>107448449
even if you're not him you are spiritually FURNIGGER

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no wonder all of you incels are unemployed.

maxing out my FSA and using it before I exit.

>>107449429
When I was a junior dev I always did well with female managers until they actually had to deal with the fallout of the slop I wrote

>>107449521
Your Flexible Spending Account? What retard takes those over an HSA

>>107449539
Well I need a lot of dental work done, so I can get a limited used FSA together with my HSA, use the amount on my FSA which is front loaded, then I dont have to pay it back if I leave the company.

>>107449553
I see, I don’t have any health issues so I just dump money in my HSA as an emergency fund and potential extra retirement account

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>rejection email
>30 minutes after submitting application

Well, I got a job. It's basic bitch tech support (60k/year), and I have to drive an hour every day, but considering my unemployment runs out this week it's better than nothing.

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Just got the call from the hiring manager. I'm in for 120k salaried with bennies, fully remote. Fuck yeah. Took 3 months of job searching and 2000 applications (I did not use a bot).

>>107450009
congrats man, enjoy and good luck with the new job
how many yoe of prior experience and bs / ms?

>>107450154
Thank you very much, I'm super excited. 3 years in the specific industry, 6 in general IT. An IT bachelors degree with a great GPA. I can't wait to start, I legit love this industry and I havent worked in almost a year. Spent almost half that time partying in Japan though before actively looking for work. Time to start studying their particular software stack and refresh my knowledge of how I did my tasks at my previous job.

>>107450221
>Spent almost half that time partying in Japan though before actively looking for work
how the fuck did you explain this job gap? lmao

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>>107450234
Nobody asked desu

Interview went well today it seems

>>107450286
I asked

>>107450345
I'd just say I took a few months for upskilling and then started looking for work. Maybe point to some of my personal projcets?

Accepted a job but I'm still interviewing for another job on the 11th. I feel dirty but man that other job is so much better.

>>107450398
Don't feel bad. If you get the other job, all that means for this company is that they'll get to hire their runner-up choice.

>>107449798
You're going to be dealing with multiple boomer retards a day calling you over "can't login" after they put their password in incorrectly for like the 10,000th time.

If the surface tech job market is so bad why have you not considered the... other one, anon?
>https://dfi.kaspersky.com/blog/darkweb-job-market-2025

>>107450009
i miss recaros.

>>107437966
I am full spectrum, I code, sysadmin or do network things just gibs jewscrip plox

>>107450546
Oh, I know. This job is just a stopgap measure while I look for something marginally less shitty. Gotta put food on the table, after all.

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I'm actually curious. If you selected at least 3 then there is a problem
https://strawpoll.com/kjn1DM2RxyQ

>>107433721
Who's been unemployed the longest in this thread?

>>107450708
These are just the standard seats my car came with

>>107451129
i got 5/5, what do i win?

>>107451248
>i got 5/5, what do i win?
unemployment, thats why you're here

>>107451144
I've been unemployed since August 11th, 6 week severance and didn't do much of anything for the first 3 weeks, I started drawing unemployment in October. Next week will be 4 months unemployed, it feels like less since I just relaxed/drank/went camping shortly after being let go and have been half-assing my search until mid-October. I have never had this much trouble landing a job, but then I've never been laid off in 10 years. I've had a couple final round technical interviews, definitely rejected on one and waiting to hear back on another. I have many open leads right now.

I've got six jobs in my career through applying via LinkedIn or job boards and just going in cold and succeeding on the interviews, one from a professional referral, all full-time. Now I will potentially settle for contract work.

Straight up in the last two roles (last 3 years) I sorta have been slacking though I never got pipped or critiqued for performance. One 360 review from an onsite developer at a client for a consulting firm I worked at said something along the lines of I was good when I chose to actually work, and I got praise by some architects for some related work. I didn't go above and beyond working 45h-60h per week while attending every tech meetup in town like I did to get the referral (which was worth it since I got my all time high salary 68% higher than the previous role I held as a consultant). For the referral position, I started out strong and learned a decent amount but I didn't deliver more than the bare minimum for a higher level role. Maybe I slid through the cracks since the company was struggling in general. I will try and be serious about my next role if I don't wash out of tech, it's a really bad time to be a slacker. I turned into the hungover coworker I used to hate. I still have guilt and trouble explaining the last 3 years in a way that doesn't make me seem like a fuckup when compared to my first senior dev role where I was kicking ass all the time.

Can I apply to junior dev jobs with 10 YoE or will my resume get thrown out because I have too much experience? I'm too retarded to be senior level now that the competition is this fierce even though I technically had "senior" in my job title at a couple places I worked.

>>107450398
Are you a new grad? Look at all the rest of us who have been laid off, I can tell you layoffs happen even to skilled and respected engineers, a company will let you go with no warning just because you make too much and they didn't plan out their finances well - so you don't owe them anything in return. I once left a job after a week when I saw the state of their codebase and got an offer with slightly better pay and conditions.

>>107452768
Many senior level roles I've seen only require 3-5 YOE so long as it's focused, I think when we hit 10 YOE we've experienced at least one hype cycle, everything you did in the first 5 years doesn't matter anymore and it's all frontloaded on the last 5 years.

I've seen senior engineers come in who didn't know shit and didn't do shit and were paid more and had a title over me as a junior dev, so idgaf if I weasel my way in somewhere or am a little rusty. This guy I'm pretty sure was sexually harassing some female coworkers and calling in all the time or participating from home while we were in the office on Teams calls drunk. I think he had a severe drinking problem, and posted sob stories about suicide attempts on LinkedIn, and somehow got all kinds of sympathy and another job or two afterward. If he can sleaze his way into a job we can too.

>>107444645
>RS-485 is supposedly real
What the fuck?

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>>107449539
FSA can be better for tax reasons and if you're young and have very variable health needs (you don't even know if you need glasses yet so whats the point of well-set optical insurance, your teeth are fine (for now) so why have free work available when you could spend that on something else, life insurance is set payout regardless of buy-in but you dont intend on dying soon, etc)

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If I have a job but "real people" say it's not "real tech" and I'm still new anyway do I post here or in /twg/?

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I'm a crazy person, how long until I lose my job?

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>>107434960
newp, I'm tall too

>>107448478
the fuck are ear defenders?

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>>107453599
hearing protection in general but honestly better known as the little foam plugs. but formally any hearing protection

>>107448478
This is a bad question because the REAL answer is C but is impractical 99% of the time resulting in B (which is what actually happens, even IT dustmen get free earmuffs)

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>>107453599

>>107453672
>>107453654
never heard them called that, was assuming that i was dealing with some weird britishism or something

>>107453868
idk about the us but "Ear Defenders" in Canada usually refers to the little squishy foam earplugs rather than the full over-ear earpro. mostly because just "defenders" is the basic level (real niggas wear both plugs and muffs)

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>only person in the country under my (last) name that is employed anymore

>as full-time for a defence contractor and part-time for the military itself

How the fuck did this happen.

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Just had a vivid dream that I was in an interview and doing a leetcode problem

>>107454561
Last time I had a vivid dream, it was about having a pet crow who pecked me but explicitly tore off all the weird dry bits on my cuticles and slices off all my skin tags and stuff but then I rubbed his(?) belly in exchange

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rise and grind

>>107455177
this problem is a "very hard", not a medium
what the fuck

>>107443804
That's interesting, because I came here to say the exact opposite thing. On Linkedin, I have applied to maybe 80% of the jobs for my skillset (Linux Systems Administrator, 2nd Line Support Engineer, Infrastructure Engineer) in my area. I got an interview for one of them, but most of the others never got back to me. But they've been up for months, and they're still up now. I have shown that I can do the job, and it's not just that they didn't want to hire me; they haven't hired anyone. What's going on? Do these jobs not actually exist?

>>107443804
google has had a job listing for my exact role with my exact qualifications open for ~4 months. I've applied twice (they let you apply every 90 days).

>>107455941
Explain, please

>>107456944
Storage is cheaper so it's easier to have two pages, plus getting users to click on two pages makes it look like users are using your website twice as much.

>>107457171
That explains why websites moved on from 3 max nested pages to good god save me from having to visit another website my company needs to use for work.

>>107452907
>the daemons hunger for sacrifice

>>107453665
C was the correct answer, but B makes more sense.

Crazy how people still post on LinkedIn on the weekend

I got rejected from a state government job for not meeting the minimal qualifications despite in reality having twice the minimal qualifications and a bachelors degree which is stated to lower the bar a bit. I’m going to write an appeal, and failing that I will write a formal complaint about the government HR administrator and make a freedom of information act request to figure out what the qualifications of the accepted candidate was

It’s one thing if I wasn’t the best candidate but it is another when I clearly meet the minimal qualifications and the incompetent HR just have no idea that in my resume emphasis on some technologies imply others. If you use React, I don’t think you have to explicitly state whether you use HTML, CSS, and JavaScript

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>cant get a job
>anywhere not just IT
>degree and 3 years of exp

so now what?

>>107462625
Government helpdesk job. Or you can put the fries in the bag bro.

>>107462651
i would love a helpdesk job that pays like 60k but i get ghosted by fries in the bag too so i literally have no clue

>>107462686
Look into the big names, General Dynamics(GDIT also), Lockheed Martin, L3, ect. Apply on those websites directly.
https://www.gdit.com/careers/

>>107462686
I got ignored by literal shitty ass low wage local companies then got interviewed at 2 big tech companies, shit is all luck at this point specially since 90% of the job postings are fake.

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I need an IT job, ideally at a data center or something like that. Roofing sucks, but at least its nowhere near as hot during the winters. Are low voltage tech jobs, or data center tech jobs easy to get into? I have a CS degree but I am autistic when it comes to interviewing and interacting with people.

>>107462706
will do
>>107462764
damn it be fucked up out there nice job on the 2 big tech companies bro

Twitter grifters making CV / AI wrapper projects and throwing them on twitter to "build signal" feel somehow more retarded and soulless than people building their 11th CRUD app to put on their resume.

do you guys have a gay crazy family member who constantly asks you to fix their computer?

>>107463592
no thats me

I have 1.5 years of Data Engineer experiece, 2 years of web/app dev. I can't decide if I should get Security+ and try to pivot towards cyber/sys admin, or get the snowflake snowpro and aws cloud architect and shoot for moree data engineering...

>>107462771
you work manual labor with a CS degree??

>>107465205
Where did normies get the idea in their head that this wasn’t a thing
Cs degrees like most other college degrees are borderline worthless

>>107465480
people meme about history english or gender studies but damn even a cs degree is also worthless thats fucking grim dude

>>107465489
It’s called elite overproduction. There were never supposed to be this many educated people. Society does not need them all.

>>107462625
If you have a working computer you can do Outlier AI. I just started working last week doing 3 or 4 hour a day and I'm up to $380 that's at $15 an hour. Work is piss easy. You can go at your own pace. It's perfect for me. I need to do some more work though, I have rent do and other bills I need to pay.
>You should use dataannotation!
I applied with them. They're still reviewing my thing. I'd like to get work with them since they offer $20 an hour.

>>107456756
Yeah they don't exist and they will hire the boss' nephew conveniently. Welcome to 2025 lol

>>107465519
Buy an ad retarded faggot. There is barely any position there and they pay like shit.
>t. got a friend working there for a few months

>>107462651
It was humanities that put fries in the bag

>>107465639
That faggot literally couldn't get a McJob, I'm just trying to help.
>There is barely any position there, and they pay like shit.
I said as much. $15 isn't a high wage, but it's enough for me to keep the lights on. Particularly since I'm not paying for gas for a daily commute. The big draw for me is working on my own schedule and being able to piss and shit whenever I want.\

The biggest issue so far is that the work is kinda brain-dead. Then again, for $15 an hour, I didn't expect real brain bogglers.

>>107465639
nta, but i applied to them, did 1 hour of work and put it on my resume as gap filler lol

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another completely empty day devoid of purpose or hope
the worst part is im on a diet, so at least before I could find reprieve in food (the one thing I still enjoy) but even that has been stolen from me

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>>107468037
get used to it

how hard would it be to pass the network+ with one week of studying?

>>107468209
No don't get used to it, kill them.
They're trying to kill you?

>>107468454
I was going to say quite difficult even if you're already good at networking because there's a lot of niche network trivia thrown in there like Cat cable frequencies and fiber wavelengths and shit. But skimming through my Network+ book, there's not nearly as much of that as I remember there being, maybe I just spent more time studying those chapters than the others.
So I'd say doable if you already do networking, incredibly difficult if you're starting from nothing.

Also this was the only CompTIA exam I found studying for to be mildly entertaining. Networking is cool.

>>107468454
Focus heavily on Subnetting. Actual net+ content is really just CCNA lite instead of bullshit memorization like it used to be. A lot more focused but alot more difficult if you never heard about routing protocols. Memorization is Wifi standards, Protocols and network architecture(IBBS, Ring, Network firewall setups, VPN's, Cloud, ect).

This test is no shit harder than both A+ and Sec+. Its very broad but in depth also. Sec+ is more focused and A+ is easy memorization by comparison.

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rise and grind

>>107468770
>>107468872
Wait I'm a retard. I meant to ask about security+. Everybody says the network+ is the hardest of the trifecta though so if that's possible in 1 week then sec+ should be too, right?

>>107446511
are you even unemployed? go back to your own subreddit
>>107445830
if there are 500 applicants for every opening they have no reason not to ask for perfection in everything, even metadata only dubiously correlated with job performance

>>107468925
which problem?

>>107469103
https://leetcode.com/problems/two-sum-bsts/

>>107463592
like half of gays are outright tweakers and when you get a little too gacked you start thinking really strange stuff about your computer

When will you poor saps realize that leetcode and antiquated certs are meaningless nowadays?

>>107469889
i got asked a leetcode hard a few weeks ago in a technical screening interview
sybau

>>107435643
Should have told them it was Luigi Mangione.

>>107440861
Source?

>>107444312
JFC

Why am I still unemployed?

>>107470706
jews

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>submit my code
>get 1ms beats 60% 20.38mb beats 21%
>resubmit the exact same code
>get 0ms beats 100% 19.7mb beats 89%
also fuck this question, all backtracking shit is aids
https://leetcode.com/problems/restore-ip-addresses/

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>>107470781

>>107450009
Shit-tier music taste.

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nice react router now I can make my spa look and feel like a multi page site with all it's neat things like loader and action and submit and stuff

>>107470978
Yeah right on, it's like a buffet, instead of sending the client individual dishes when they order them you just give them everything at once at the beginning then they can fix what they want themselves.

>>107470978
>I can make my spa look and feel like a multi page site
what

>>107470964
I dont even like black metal except of Bathory's first album which is pretty much just thrash. I just got the shirt because of the legendary album art. Bought it at a an Acid Bath concert.

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More than a 100 applicants, yet none were good enough, so it had to be reposted?
Is CS the most oversaturated field now?

>>107472330
90% of them are jeets begging for h1bs
another 5% are underqualified applicants
the remaining 5% of applicants are qualified but they get filtered out by interviewers asking them to find the median of two sorted arrays in O(log(m + n)) time

Any recommendations for hidden strings to sneak into my CV that would let it pass automated roastie filters?

>>107465205
Unironically, Yes. It's my own fault though. I am lazy i havent applied for a real job in months

rember theres session authentication for coupled client/server apps and json token for "decoupled" ones. Or you can use socket io which uses the socket id which I guess is like session auth probably.

oh wait nvmd I need jwt for socket io or I could just make them login every time they need their stuff from the server beyond the first time or something.

>>107472663
AI prompt injection in CVs doesn't work anymore AFAIK.

I'm about to enter a bootcamp for security+ exam
What can I expect from this? It's a 8 hour session x 5 days
Repeatable twice so it's 15 days if i want to. 10 classes each month

8 to 12 is the only batch of this month

>>107473060
To be honest I'm taking any jobs since forever from general affairs to IT teacher at some high school. At night i learn korean and clip stuff from the games I've played (they're all ubisoft lol)

In between things im also writing a non fiction book centered around living as a third world with all its shenanigans.

>>107465489
Gender studies is a more lucrative degree than CS, Title 9 enforcers, police officers, victim advocates, professors are more sought after while indians take all tech jobs. You fell for the humanities are worthless, get a le stem job meme. Now it's either major in humanities/education/nursing or just skip college.

>>107460774
>I'm going to throw a Karen tantrum and complain to the manager because I got told they were persuing other candidates
Please post the aftermath, autist

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>>107433721
This CEO poisoned 3rd party background checks on me. This industry is toxic but they really don't understand what we're capable of. Be careful who you want to lie to and piss off.

>>107474854
nypa (not your personal army)

Am i committing a huge mistake for quitting my first and only job of 5 years, just because they want me to go back to the office after 2 years of remote work? I have a wife and small amount of expenses so i cant just neet it out, but i earn dollars and live in a 3rd world country and have a fully payed off house. I enjoy my job I just refuse to go back to the office. I have made the maths and have enough to go for like 1.5 years no job. I am currently a supervisor of 3 departments and workload is low so its a very comfy job. Im sure IF i find something ill go back to being a grunt. Im also thinking of maybe starting an MSP? This decision is really REALLY stressing me out.

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a pioneer in dogshit

>>107462625
literally just do tech desk and ICE it's so easy

>>107434948
i have tried this and the real answer is that small business owners are stupid and generally "penny wise pound foolish"

they'll beat an employee to death for using 0.002c extra worth of soap to mop the floors but gladly still unironically pay for full cable packages even though no one even watches tv, to say nothing of all the abusive subscription packages they pay for for their POS machines and "ERP" systems (while still having employees do final inventory numbers by hand because boomer shit reasons)

I want to make a webcrawler to spam job applications.

Is it pointless? I feel like they should have really good protections against this

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>>107435500
>>107437602
>>107440648
they're undermining you all

>>107477549
quit my job today and walked out!

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Is everyone on vacation? My email activity has dropped down a cliff since thanksgiving. Recruiters that were talking to me have ghosted, I'm not getting any new interviews, and even the amount of rejection emails I'm getting has gone down.

any EU anons ITT? are staffing agencies a scam or the saving grace for engineering graduates? all I see is job postings from them

>>107480314
Europe here. I have been a freelance dev for 10+ years.

Between 2010 and 2020 these agencies were thirsty for devs. I didn't even have to send resumes. I never looked for jobs. Jobs looked for me. It was so crazy, that recruiters even wrote you when you didn't make it to the end in an interview process (an actual human-written email!)

These days are over. Now they gather your data, and you never hear from them ever again. If you manage to actually start a process, and they don't pick you, you will never know. People will just stop writing you.

And if you try to apply for jobs manually, all you will get is a computer-generated generic message:

>due to the volume of applications for this position, we had to take you out

Agencies are going to waste your time. Skip them.

>>107471975
Alright. Carry on.

>>107480394
thanks, that's what I thought. still, mass applying to them can't hurt. just sending the same CV for all matching openings, no cover letter. can't take that much time when you're not optimizing for each individual posting.

>>107480423
cover letters are a gigantic waste of time. Nobody reads them. Specially today.

>>107480314
EU fag reporting in. I'm working for one. Well, hopefully my security clearance is done by end of the year so I can start in January.

I'm a freelancer but due to market being fucked wasn't able to get clients. That's the only reason why I accepted to work for an agency in the first place. Hopefully I can get some clients next year but that's just wishful thinking.

>>107469022
If you area a big brain and study hard enough then its. A+ - 4 weeks, Net+ 6-8 weeks, Sec+ - 4 weeks. Yes you can knock it out sooner but 1 week is a big ask for a test written by indians.

>>107469022
actual realpost and i will even resist the urge to shit-talk comptia: people say Net+ is the hardest because of subnetting. that's it. networking is a dark art in general but Net+ really harps on memorizing obsolete Class A/B/C/D definitions and you have to be able to translate CIDR notation into a weird format that only comptia uses and only for its tests. it doesn't explain subnetting very well, either, since i guess they don't expect you to understand binary at such a low level so they use a lot of weird analogies that don't quite work.

and as is typical for entry level certs, expect to have to gain a deep understanding of 70s-80s shit like Token Ring and boomer names for topologies that don't matter because these days everything in a building is normally just connected to everything via a stack of switches and in a real event at a real job regugitating ITS LE STAR TOPO doesn't elucidate anything anyway.

it's also arguably the least useful since hr roasties aren't obsessed with it and value vendor certs higher (invariably Cisco certs even if they don't use Cisco gear, though that's forgiveable since the entry level Cisco ones are quite good about explaining basic features every vendor uses) and "entry level" networking isn't really a thing. Either you'll be an IT janny and other stuff is more important to know, or you're trying to become some kind of hardcore network engineer in which case you should probably just go to a real school for computer engineering

Tomorrow is the 7 hour next.js section. Better start putting react into my project now before I forgetted it all what I have to look up.

>>107478179
welcome to hell

I blame AI.

>No job no bitches no money.
>In a constant state of self improvement but I get little or no external signals rewarding it.
>Goalposts always moving.
>"You need to market yourself!"
I was supposed to get paid to be an autist, not become my own salesman. Fuck

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how do boomers expect me to pay their social security and rent their 100 sqft apartments surrounded by niggers and buy their latest iDildo (ai powered) on a bank of mcdonalds credit card (39.99% APY) if they don't give me a job

I have 5 years of sysadmin experience and I can’t get a call back for local dogshit $20 an hour level 1 help desk jobs. Or anything else. Approaching 6 months unemployed. I have literally no idea what’s wrong with my resume. I assume there is a slur somewhere in it in small white font that I can’t see. I might go stand in front of a truck.

>>107482957
Have you tried eye contact and a firm handshake?
Hang in there, sport.

>>107482998
I think I’m going to try that truck instead.

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>have an interview with a senior dev
>get asked a leetcode medium
>solve it almost perfectly with optimal time complexity
>built great rapport with the interviewer, he tells me I did good
>haven't heard back from the recruiter
>it's been 3 weeks

>>107433721
What the fuck is this ive been waiting for a response to my interjew for over 2 weeks now bros.. it went pretty well but idk :/

>>107483189
sorry we ran out of jobs

>>107482957
same dude i have 4 years of sys admin but desu its dog shit junk experience and a degree with 2 years of basic IT bitch work i did part time in undergrad.

cant get a call back from 16 an hour turd help desk

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I just created new technology. (Copilot said it was "honestly the most anon solution possible").

are there any jobs on the east coast that don't require a clearance? i'm too old to bother with clearances or new certs just let me coast on what i already have for gods sake

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>>107485562
go be a walmart greeter.

Oh so my family literally told me to be homeless. Well that's it I guess, GG. I'm killing myself tonight and hoping that next life I reroll as a jew or at least some race where their families actually love them.

>>107487405
jews are kinda based man they literally help each other so much its wild i feel like every group should be like them fuck it

but dude dont kill ur self just keep applying we will find jobs some day dont do it

>>107487429
Nah, if there's a job out there for me it can only support mere existence. And I don't want to continue to live so that my family can pretend that their fuck up son is a functioning member of society. I want them to be forced to look down at their plates at Thanksgiving when the rest of the old boomer fucks ask them what happened to all of their kids.

>>107487405
Is there a shelter near you?

>>107487509
Not one safe for a untrained white guy under 6 foot.

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>>107485562
I'd say tim hortons but

>almost monday
please please please PLEASE don't do this to

Hello Applicant,

This is a fucking E-Mail... to some dumb FUCK on who applied named "Anon". Now, I'm tired of this fat FUCK popping up in all of my fucking Applicant Tracking Systms when I'm looking for a FUCKING server janny! I don't give a FUCK about the aftermath of ANY of you Powershell fans that feel sorry for this greasy fuck!

You stupid fucking disgusting panty-line sniffing BLAWB, beer-drinking, CISCO-bathing. ball-gargling, pen-thieving, Steve Ballmer face having, Dr. Robotnik looking, Ramen eating, Welfare gorging, T-Rex arm having, Non-Dubai Chocolate eating, cook with a Coleman grill because the power been cut off, linux loader, nogame indie ""dev"", poorfag, pretending to have a fucking thyroid problem, Welfare Whale slash Free Willy, PArt bus, Yokohama Crackhead, meeting flubber, Kirby, salad dodger, chair crusher, round meal, go to Safeway and use every fucking coupon, no driver's license, HAPPY because Enron is back in business motherfucker!

I know there's gonna be a lot of people out there calling me a bully, well guess what? I'm not! I just don't feel sorry for lazy fucking people, especially fat fucks who sit there all day, gorge and eat, and make no money because they've studied absolutely nothing! While a bunch of sorry fucks like yourself play into it!

You don't like what the fuck I'm saying?

Then FUCK YOU!

Another in-person interview Friday, and I'm now lying on my resume saying I have experience in libraries I don't (the libraries are adjacent to stuff I've done/used before, and I'll bullshit that I actually used the library and if I get an interview cram it)

>>107472766
I make sure I'm keeping up a pipeline of say 5-10 contacts every week (helps when recruiters reach out, 50/50 recruiter contacts and responses to cold applications, I've even started pestering people for jobs and will go big on reaching out to old contacts come January), it only converts to 1-2 interviews a week. I'm getting super autistic about tailoring my resume for every role I apply to, I've begun to lie on my resume about stuff I could easily cram for in a couple days. I focus on web development in one frontend framework, two backend frameworks/technologies, and one cloud provider and apply to those roles exclusively, so I have enough background to bullshit a recruiter to put me in front of a hiring manager or have enough plausible experiences to provide keywords to get past a ATS/pass background check/pass employment history/pass reference check. I consider my failed interviews all the prep I need for the next interview.

If your unemployed why you don't just get clearance ? With clearance it is very easy to get job 250K TC starting

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>Living that NEET sleep schedule
>(I am actually in Education, but with minimal schedule to adhere to)
>Recruiter says she might call me today depending on the application and hiring manager and blah blah blah
>Set phone to ringer for once
>Get three spam calls (presumably, they did not leave voicemails)
I have long been in favor of nuking India for many reasons, and today I realized another one: It would improve my sleep quality.

>>107482957
>I assume there is a slur somewhere in it in small white font that I can’t see.
IKTFB

>>107487448
holy based

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if my retarded scuffed mentally ill ass could get a job why can't you

>>107488210
I am more mentally ill than you and oh if u have never been to a psych ward u literally arent mentally ill lmao

I wonder if I have arthritis. I don't even write much code anymore but every joint hurts.

fresh thread here
>>>107488290

>>107487877
You sound like youre gonna make it. Not being ironic