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1st for black & white.
Who's the designer/manufacturer of the +84?
>>107443536Any point giving a shit about this post-COVID?Seems like we left the era of peak consumer choice and have entered the era of chink grifting and hobo-tier 3D printing.
>>107444028Cope harder, loser. Your idea of chink grifting is normal prices vs the insane prices people had to pay just 5 years ago. Go fuck yourself faggot. I'm glad your trash keyboards have depreciated hard now that anyone can buy a full brass bottom alu board for <$300 HAHAHAHAHAHA
Why are we so dead....
>>107444028Genuinely does feel good to see people like this get absolutely BTFO
I hate TKL but will I regret getting 96%?or just go 100%?
>>10744468496% and 100% are fine... if you're OK admitting you're too stupid for layers.
>>107444695>bro just be a badass programmer bro>plug and play? fuck that bro>remove essential keys from your board bro>use layers to compensate for your missing appendages>200mg spironolactone/day and 8mg estradiol valerate spread out in 2 doses/day or you're hondosingTROON TROON TROON
>and don't forget to get micronized tablets or you won't be able to dissolve them sublingually!>THIS IS JUST LIKE MY KOREAN KEYBOARDS WITH MISSING KEYS ZOMGORZ
triggered the full size snowflake lmao
Missing keys = American circumcisionJapan has full sized GOD BOARDS (Filco to Topre to fuck knows what else)Americans have 75% snip boards ala Mode Sonnet and being an American colony South KOREA GOES HARDER ON THE CIRCUMCISION ZEALTKL? LET'S CHOP OFF THE WIN KEYLET'S CHOP OFF EVERYTHING INSIDEMX BLACKS RETOOLED TO HELLGALATEA MILL-MAXXED PCBS OR IT WILL SOUND TINNY AND W-E-A-K
>>107444695yeah my parents let the jewish doctor cut my foreskin off toodespite my dad, my brother and every cousins (all males) not cutI'm the only one whos cut for whatever reason
i think tenkeyless is actually better than 96%you can get fancy leopold numpad and it basically the same as the fullsizewith 96% or 75% shits you actually lose buttons
>>107444844circumcised penises look better flaccid and erect, and aren't gross to suck uncircumcised is good on younger boys, but disgusting on older men, like past 35, you should get circumcised or at least be on so much viagra your penis sheath actually fully extends
>>107444955Agreed. I wanna see that cockhead red and straining against the skin. Nothing worse than sucking on uncirc'd dick with a foreskin that reeks of piss.
are alice keyboards any good?
>>107445521Idk man just try it out?
>>107445734im debating between trying the alice layout or a split keyboard with the same positioning on the keys. AI says its better for wrist health but im skeptical as people have been using regular layout keyboards for 40+ years in an office and not developed any wrist issues. I have put my wrist in the alice layout position and it does feel more natural though
I use red switches but the keyboard I want has only brown onesWill I like the brown ones? I don't want clicky ones. If they feel like reds that is good. they had a red version but it sold out.
Really though, who are plus sized troons trying to fool? LARPing as a 1970s woman working in data entry just means you want a Chad manager that has never typed anything to plow your vagina (male). I guess F24 and a numpad is useful for controlling your dilator though.
anybody here ever own a majestouch? in need of a similar prebuilt device sturdy as all hell preferably any ideas
I’m convinced that switches do the heavy lifting in the sound of a keyboard to where even a cheap $50 aluminum keyboard sounds premium
Damn, this is a 10/10 base for a plain old beige set. I'm in love
>>107444684You won't regret 96%. Very usable layout. Just make sure whatever you get has a good numlock indicator so you always know whether it's on or off.
>>107446164>as all hellit's just gonna sit on your desk. Just buy anything man
>>107447098It's only possible to think this if you have bad taste
>>107445921Browns will feel strange if you're used to reds. My brother is a reds guy and when he tries my browns he goes "ew that feels weird"
>>107447464U9 mods + alt alphasooooo yeah
>>107445897100% of keyboard ergonomics is lies. The only thing that helps is doing hand stretches once every hour. Alice does help you keep balance while standing up and typing, thats as far as it goes.
could i get a rec?>Budget$60 - 70>Location (continent at least)usa>Preferred switch typeanything not noisy>Backlightyes>Previous/current keyboardspure shiti'm using it for gaming & school work
>>107447890>backlight needer with poverty budget who won't tell you his layout preference until after you try and fail to recommend him somethingIt's gonna be a "fuck off and get a job" from me dawg.
>>107447890Fuck your budget, buy a rainy75
>>107448051Oh nvm it's a school zoomer. Ok, get an Aula F75 or some other aliexpress garbage like that. There's enough foam in there that it should sound quiet enough. Get a variant with the "gradient" design that has front shine-through legends. Is this a good keyboard? No. But nothing that fits your requirements will be a good keyboard.
Apparently I'm like some sort of shedding beast that drops debris off of my carcass faster than a dog during summer.Are there switches that are more resistant to dust and hair?
>>107444780>>107444871I think GODsize enjoyers mindbroke the gayers tranny by dunking on him too hard, honestly. He just can't stop himself from ritualposting about it every general, you MUST know he's still upset, he'll make sure of that.
>>107448308"Dustproof" stems (picrel) are supposed to be. Cherry is already pretty good as far as dustproofing goes. Occasionally cleaning out the keyboard so it doesn't have a ton of dust and debris in there might also help.
>>107447890just get whichever keychron c series keyboard you likei'd personally get the c1 pro 8k (or regular pro if you prefer the colorway/it's on sale) and swap in super mints
are low profile boards compatible with normal profile switches?
>>107448373No.
>>107448382that's unfortunate The nuphy air75 kept popping up in recommendations, but I don't really want to buy into to low profiles and miss out on all the normal switches and keycaps.They should make a board that supports both.
>>107448400Nuphy tried that with the Kick75.
>>107448437oh dang, that's cool.
>>107448400Air75 implies you are trying to get a mobile keyboard? if so, you should really stick with a low profile board, normal keycaps suck being in a backpack or whatever without a case
>>107448345Facts don't care about anyone's feelings. More keys = more power/autonomy/real fucking estate. Form and function are served together.
Anyone else type on a bunch of mousepads/deskpads stacked on top of each other? Like Taeha Types.
geonsisters how are we feeling today
>>107448532>Facts don't care about anyone's feelings. More keys = more power/autonomy/real fucking estate. Form and function are served together.
What switches do people rave about the most these days?
>>107448588silent linears
>>107448559Exuberant and fanciful and gay
>>107448532Yes, but the gayers troon doesn't care about logical arguments, he just wants to shitpost after getting BTFO over the months.Look, he's now posting jak cancer too. I think we need to get him a psychologist, stat, before he starts harming himself.
>>107448670its ok full size tranny, many men dont find out they are gay until later in life
>>107444050>>107444526the unhinged anxiety projection here is nuts loltaiwan will never return btw
>>107448588Just go through the top ten GOATS (in no particular order). You'll find something to scratch your itch.
>>107448724Don't let a shitpost get in the way of facts. No one except elitist hoarders from 2020 would agree that the mechanical keyboard scene today is worse than it was any time in the past. We have better switches, we have better cases in different formats (how inclusive!), we have metal everywhere, all kinds of metal cases that don't cost $500+.
>>107445897you just missed out on that cannonkeys brutalist v1 alice for $80 on black fridayregardless, i think anything with a concave key well is actual ergo endgame. alice boards and all these little flat split boards are just half measures
>>107448724this guy is so mad his keycult is now considered overpriced garbage lol
>>107448588HMX
>>107443539It's less tall. DCS is basically a more sharply angled cherry profile with rounded corners and a harsher lip on the spacebar. It's basically very very similar to Alps profile if you ever used an old Alps keyboard.
Does /g/ have some must-have list of MKs? I should ask personally what I want each time?
>Budget$200>Location (continent at least)Eurasia>Preferred switch typeI want the keyboard to be:1. Relatively quiet2. Don't register each accidental touching (I tried mechanical keyboard once and it was awful that I can't just lay my fingers on the keyboards because letters were pressed immediately)>BacklightYes, but it's not the crucial part>Previous/current keyboardsLogitech office shitI will very thankful even if you name the switch types that will be relatively quiet and resistant to accidental touches.
Any recomendation for a 96% under $150
>>107449113not very noisy and resilient to cofee please, previous is pic related, i dont need leds
>>107449065HMX blue stars check every box you’re asking for. Silent, tactile bump at the very top of the press, and they have led diffusorsget literally any board you want with a hotswap pcb and just swap them in, maybe something cheapo like a keychron k series board
>>107449113see >>107312654
>>107449113Epomaker Aula I guess
>>107428611the only z axis TMR wheatstone bridge (drool) that I found are TMR2584S but those bitches either do not exist in stock, anywhere, or they cost almost $3 a pop and shipping is like $40 wtfon jlcpcb they show up at 3-4 cents a pop but no stock.I looked at a lot of sensors so far, and there's only integrated ones with analog output, and these have high wakeup times, like 35-50us at best, you can't pulse them, they all gotta be up at all times, and switch them, which makes it retarded many analog mux switches, either wheatstone bridges, which can pulsed probably even in MHz range, but only CT100 readily available and not even, Z axis, tho might work. it has to output something, anything, from top to bottom, even if 5mV total that's perfect I can amplify the fuck out of it, as long as it senses the switch magnet from top to bottom
HMX switches are nice but I really dislike those uber long springs they put in them.
>>107448991Seriously?
>>107448991Not so much brands, but mandatory features:>Hotswappable>Has stabilizers>PBT keycaps>Easy complete disassembly>If wireless, then 2.4 GHz>QMK/VIA support if you're into thatIf your keyboard has all of those features then you're good. As for brands themselves, if you don't have any niche requirements then I'd recommend looking at Keychron's options and either getting something there as-is or swapping out the switches/colorways as necessary
Bros I just ordered 3 TKLs in WKget fucked WKL homos
my switches have been stuck iun hong kong for a week.fuck chinksfuck changfuck jews.
>>107449863full size trannies in SHAMBLES
An instrument fit for a maestro, now accessible by commoners. Truly we live in the golden age of GEON
>plate and case foams are sold out on Geon's websitehahahahahahahaha
>3.5mm and 3mm foams sold the fuck outhahahaha imagine how badly these fuckos needed to cope with the tinny and weak GEon ONly sound.
@tmrfag check this out:https://gadgetoid.com/2025/07/30/chilkey-slice75-he-hall-effect-mechanical-keyboard-reviewed/this Chilkey Slice75 HE is hall effect and 8kHz. if you look closely (based pcb traces) you notice that they use tmux1308 fr.I followed the traces and they match perfectly for everything. the three traces going from one mux to the other are exactly A0/A1/A2 that switch the outputs. hall effect sensors output pin goes into input pins in tmux chip, the chip is powered from same rail as sensors, and power pin matches datasheet.so overall HE with 8kHz is doable, if they're powered at all times, as I suspected. and they're using tmux that are banged at 8kHz, or even more. 10 of them, so 10 ADCs. but with HE sensors + TMUX you cannot adjust gain or polarity. and they're using every single TMUX input, none wasted. I mean, if you really wanted to...it's doable for 8kHz, with hall effect. sensors are cheap, TMUX also.Keychron states 8kHz polling and 250kHz scan rate on their Q16 HE (tmr) keyboard. not sure how they implemented it, I cannot find any PCB photo of it online.also fuck all keyboard reviewers who don't photograph the PCB.
>>107450446i removed all my foam. foam is for troons.
>>107450535also anyone tried cork instead of foam?
>>107450565i haven't tried it but this keyboard i almost bought awhile back uses foam in it. can search youtube as there are quite a few sound tests with it and the general consensus was that it was better than foam
>check the used market>every F1 seller has the WKL versionshould I buy one and get the stupid WK blocking tabs lasered off?
>>107450943you should invest in BBC stock so you can always have fresh bbc for your bussy
>>107447098Impossible. Take a set of any HMX clackers, or Akko Mirrors, or whatever the fuck. It'll sound and feel bad on a Transition Lite/Monsgeek. It'll sound and feel better going up to just a Cycle8 or Classic TKL. It'll sound and feel way better on endgame boards. Even something like the Ghost Dragons would show the difference immediately and those were designed specifically to sound good on any type of build. Except it won't.
And what the fuck is going on in these threads
>>107450943WK is cringe
>>107443536>https://pastebin.com/n220xk9VI can never seem to find a keyboard i like. Id like the keys to be extremely sensitive also to be like a laptop keys with travel distance. And quiet is that even possible ?
Do u guys have multiple keyboards
>>107452077i have 4 decent ones and 2 older monsgeek ones i got cheaply that got me interested. im not really a big keyboard nerd though.
>>107452077I got rid of most of mine. All I have left are topre boards. FC980C, Realforce R2 full size, and HHKB BT. The FC980C is in a heavy-9 case and has been my primary board for about two years now. I keep the realforce at work in my office.
>>107452077Yea, one with U4Ts and one with gat geckos. I'll make more boards for myself at some point.
>>107452108thats a good amount, i feel like having more makes you enjoy the ones you have less. I have 5 right now and i really just use 3 of them.>>107452127im afraid to try topre. nice sounds get boring eventually but a nice feel, thats forever and then i'll have to go through the trouble of selling all my current boards lol.>>107452158nice, U4Ts are one of my favorite switches. that looks super comfy to type on
are split keyboards a bad idea?
>>107452077I have two Model Ms, a Model F XT, a ZKB2R, two HHKBs, an Arc60, an F1-8X v2, and probably some others I'm forgetting about.
https://youtu.be/IR-f07LN0-Y?t=46>one of my dactyls used as b-roll on a news reportNeat.
>>107450535Nice conformation, I knew the tmux was the one after you linked it, it was so much better than everything else out thereIts taking me longer to get the INA working than I thought I ruined the smaller tmux so im going to try this 16-tssop tmux1308 tomorrow wish me luck tho this one is much easier to hand solder
>>107453154Are we finally going to know why it was called unix?
>>107453154didn't you also manage to get TJ to personally shill your dactyls with the primeagen? congrats on that
>>107453913I don't even know who TJ is so beats me.
>>107453939https://youtu.be/otYrZPbzfV0?t=1766this yours?
>>107453154>The person buying dactyls is stumpy mclinken logfingers LMAOOOO dactyls will NEVER recover from this (im just joking im sure he is probably a great guy never discriminate on looks)
>>107453995Oh neat, yea I definitely built that dactyl. Still has the old pro micro & TRRS jacks so it must've been a while ago. Should ask him if he wants a pair of my RP2040 MCUs instead.
>>107452077Yes but Im a 1 keyboard per year person so I sell last years keyboard, so while Ive tried like 20ish keyboard since i began i only have 4 ATMan evo80 as this years board (next year will be a split, and I might actually keep the evo) A logitech g915 for my server room, a cyborg 2 for my game pad and a damn I forgot who made it, its so old, some aluminum 60% keyboard for my bedroom computer, I just had to replace all of its switches with silent bananas tho that was a real hassle desoldering all the clicky green ??? switches
>>107451188It's functional, you spaz. I will never, ever understand this stupidity. Moving around with Win + D is simply indispensable
>>107452568>V2what build?
>>107454243Gat yellows on a alu half plate
>>107452077I have 2, a C1 Pro and a C1 that I got before the Pro came out. I also used to keep the C1 at work before I got a remote job, but it's nice to have a backup just in case
>>1074520775, and a sixth is being made in China somewhere.
>>107453616damn bro you got the good stuff. how tf you getting them so fast?in other news, I managed to come up with a hardware mod that flips polarity automatically, so doesn't even need software mods, it just happens. no matter what polarity switch you are using, the circuit outputs 0-3.3V in the ADC, depending how much you press the key.this can work on both hall effect sensors, top circuit, V1 is basically hall effect sensor output, 2.5V no press, ->0V with north magnet or -> 5V with south, but the circuit is conditioning the signal such that it always goes 0V to 3.3V into ADC. so 2.3V is under 2.5V, so the difference 0.2V is flipped on top of 2.5V, makes for 2.7V output. next block removes 2.5V offset and we're left with 0.2V signal.and TMR version on the bottom, same deal.so block nr.1 is basically a bridge rectifier lmao, adapted with 2.5V offset, so instead of flipping anything that goes negative, it does it for anything bellow 2.5V. 2nd block just offsets 2.5V down so it starts at 0V.no software mod needed in QMK, it just happens automagically, you can also mix&match switch polarity, doesn't matter which one is which
>>107454806ah ye also when tweaking INA gain, it has 2.5V offset so both polarities fit 5V supply of INA, centered around 2.5V. so tweak INA RG resistor value such that you get ~1.5V up/down from 2.5V. so 1V to 2.5V or 2.5V to 4V depending on magnet polarity.once you get this signal out of INA, you boost it x2 in final stage, from R14/R16, takes it from 1.5V to 3V, just under opamp supply and ADC input limit, so max dynamic range on key press.
ding dong
>>107455554bing bong
The only real keyboard options are full sized and programmable 60%. Anything else demonstrates complete brain damage.A programmable 60% allows you to access all the features of a full size directly from the alphanumerics without ever having to lift your hand. This is all done using caps as a modifier allowing you to quickly navigate, use a numpad, or any other macro you want from the alphanumerics without ever raising your hands.60%'s are also a standard layout and you only need to program in the functions you would have to lift your hands / leave the home row for on a full-sized keyboard. Going less than 60% is retarded.It's one additional modifier key to learn, and you are objectively more productive when you can access every function on a full-sized keyboard without leaving the alphanumerics.
>like the look of this>Out of stock>Only options are retarded American layout>Missing keys/keyboards for disabled people with short arms
>>107455731Yeah but what if your PCB fucks itself up and your caps lock button stops working lmaoooo
>>107455781the man with no photoshop skills
>>107455855the man with no photoshop skills or counter-arguments
>>107455829Yeah but what if your PCB fucks itself up and your <insert any key> stops working lmaoooo
split backspace is vastly superior to 2u backspacethat is all
>>107455891wtf are you splitting it with?
>>107455874
>>107455927AI generated
>>107455931not an argument
>>107455931an argument
>>107455954a factual claim
why do people prefer mechanical keyboards?t. laptop keyboard normie
>>107456072the buttons are nicer to push. anything more than that is autism (like people who care about the sound (keyboards should be silent))
>>107456072You know how different laptops have different keyboards? I can guarantee that you liked one laptop's keyboard more than another.Mechanical keyboards take those small preferences between boards and dramatically expands on them. They also have some nice features that just aren't possible in a laptop's form factor.Some people go too far and try to turn it into a lifestyle or elitist collector's hobby, but you should try not to associate with those types unprompted
>>107456100>>107456144interesting, thanx for the explanation anons ^_^
>>107456072They feel great, and this is coming from a guy that used a k120 for a decade. Ain't going back.
What are some silents that aren't mushy garbage?
>>107455891More trannyism, sheesh.
>>107457331Tactiles or Linears?
>>107457472I wouldn't mind hearing options for both so I can get several to try out with the same board and keycaps.
>>107457497LICHICX Raw Silent Tactiles are nice, so are Haimu Whispers. Never tried a silent Linear but just buy some off Milktooth and see for yourself.
I finished my first macro pad. Designed the case in CadQuery, 3d printed it and handwired the components.
>>107457638The wiring. Some room for improvement.
>>107457497https://voca.ro/1llb2V1f3eZfHere are some boba u4 (silent tactiles) that I use on a tofu65 v1 (aluminum tray mount case)
>finally find perfect keyboard, hits all my criteria>look up reviews>tons of negative ones, loads of people getting double typingHow hard can it be to make a keyboard that works?
finally an actual update. bought a keyboard case + pcb from a group buy 15 months ago from keygem. it took some time but at least they finally admitted they cant get a hold of the designer of the keyboard. funny enough everyone else got theirs just not keygem and therefore me. anything I can do here? will this end up with them giving me my money back? anyone been in a situation like that? I dont really mind the money, I just want to reorder from somewhere else and be done with this whole project.
This is going back years and years but does anyone know what happened to IvanIvanovich after he pulled an exit scam? Did he ever surface again?I lost about $20 to him so I don't give a fuck but I did have some success with him prior to that.
>>107457695nice. does it work?
Mechanical keyboards are so dead.
>>107458730Yes, I only had to resolder one switch, other than that everything went smoothly. Right now it just sends digits from 1 to 9, but I'll figure out some better use. The main reason for building it was as practice for a split keyboard.
>>107457979Assemble your own, lmao!
>>107458554Wow I didn't think I'd ever remember that again. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I really like these colors, but apparently they're only for low profiles....
>>107457979Everything moving to China has its downsides.
>>107459991https://novelkeys.com/products/gmk-cyl-oblivion-v3-1-keycaps
>>107460006woah, damn, pricey.
>>107460015Yeah GMK prices ain't exactly competitive.Mode has a similar colorway for sixty b—aaaand it's gone.https://modedesigns.com/products/tomorrow-keycapsShit, I really thought that one was gonna help you out. How disappointing.
>>107460053lol, it's okay.I'm just kind of window shopping right now, saw that set on sale, but it was low profile.
Is this good? https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-v6-max-qmk-via-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard
Are more or less people building their own keyboards compared to a few years ago?
>>107457695Qmk?Why didn't you use diodes?
>>107460254Considering the economy, definitely less.
I bought silent switches like years ago.I'm sick of it, I want my keyboard to make obnoxious loud creamy thocky whatever the fuck sounds.I'm doing a 180.Fuck Silence.
>>107460254Considering how many more stock options, or even "build-a-keyboard" services exist from major keyboard companies themselves, not very many.Only exception would be split/ergo fags but they've always been a small minority of keyboard users
>>107460604Never go full silent. The only good silent is a loud silent
Finally upgrade from a corsair mech to a keychron k10 he and shit's breddy gud. No springy or scratchiness. Smooth, creamy, and sounds great especially for $120Is there a 75% keyboard that's even better? I can spend up to $300
>>107460205I like mine. My only complaint is the lubing is a bit too thick on the Gateron Jupiters so they can feel a bit gummed up and sluggish. Maybe that will improve with time as the lube redistributes, maybe not. I changed the switches so I don't know. Also I recommend this mod if you're intending to take the foam out (like I did): https://rentry.org/v6max_modBut lots of people like foam. And probably leaving a layer of case foam in the bottom is a good idea to cut the hollowness.If you're not comfortable with batteries in your electronics, it does work without the battery, but the battery is glued to the bottom case so removing it is a pain in the ass. It can be done, though.
Are Das Keyboard products any good? I've been trying to find a mechanical keyboard with a USB hub on it and no RGB and they seem like the best option for that from what I've found so far.
>>107461103You could get a keyboard without RGB and a separate hub for much less than a das keyboard product because they are crazy overpriced for what they are.
>>107461103What's the problem with RGB? You can literally just turn it off and never think about it again
>>107461103Costar stabs are maybe the worst part, and the keycaps are unimpressive, but otherwise I was perfectly happy daily driving mine for 8 years. I'd replace the keycaps with a decent WoB (DCS Intro, Mode Obscura, GMK, Keykobo, Keyreative KAP, Swagkeys at the cheaper end, many options)
>>107461103Bro stop acting like you have a choice, the DAS keyboard is literally the only keyboard on the market that checks all your boxes What you should be asking is "is the DAS keyboard better than Reddragon with rbg?" The answer is yes
>>107460604This is why I don't believe in forever keyboards, your tastes just change over the years I bet in 3 years you will be craving the silence again
drop some switch names to help guide memx brown but lighter, more tactile, shorter travel and or activation pointso far im thinking mx ergo clear or gateron baby kangeroo 2
>>107461892Do you want the bump near the actuation point, like an MX brown, or at the top of the keystroke?
>>107462041near the point
I like the way O-rings feel I don't care if this makes me trailer trash
>>107462041I want the bump to be at the top, in the middle, and at the end, I want it to feel like anal beads coming in and out of my bum
I have not bought a new KB in almost half a year
>>107462493>>107462513>not only is anon trailer trash, but he is gay
>>107456072Biggest factor is keyfeel. On scissor switch keyboards, you constantly ram the buttons down all the way. Eventually this starts to hurt.Mechanical keys tend to have a few mm of buffer, so you can avoid that with a little practice.Loosely speaking, it's like the difference between falling onto a mattress and falling onto a hard concrete floor
>>107456072key feel more layout customizationprogrammability (macros especially are very useful for a wagey like me)
>>107460717Neo80 cu. its unbeatable at $300 range
>>107460717>>107462760neo80 cu isn't a 75% and a mode sonnet is better anyway
>>107460717rainy75, then buy HMX and GMK keycaps
GEON FUCK YEAH
>>107448722Buck broken beyond words.
where do I find cork? and how thicc does it have to be?
>>107464020>whereyour local hardware or hobby store should have plenty of it>thiccnessdoesn't really matter since you can just stack layers on top of each other until you get the amount of sound damping that you want
>>107456072They look good and sound pleasant, and they're modular so you can fuss and get them pretty close to how you want them. You know how sometimes you press a switch on a high-end device and it just feels and sounds exactly right? And you almost want to keep pressing it? The idea is that maybe your keyboard could be like that. That's the far-off thing that people chase for years and years when they get into this as a hobby. Along the way they develop more and more particular criteria for what makes things good or not good, and satisfying their growing list of requirements becomes harder and harder.
>>107444780imagine having this much pride over being computer-illiterate
>>107459991GMK oblivion/Keykobo COL. You're welcome!
>>107460053>>107460066NO FEAR HEREKEYKOBO COMPOSITION OF LINESOORAH
>>107460717Neo75cuway cheaper than a Modefuck the haters, go for it
>>107454806I ordered them quite a while ago, the day INAs were mentioned. DigiKey is actually pretty good. You are using two AD823 in this schema? it looks very good, I guess I'm about to order a few AD823s too, I dont have the tools to set the differential GAIN on the INA I think.you seem to be usiung 15k for your resistance in the differential INA part... will that work for my 3.3v input :O ?
>>107464138i mean, yeah a mode is a bit overkill but it is technically in the price range. neo75 cu is still a massive step up over corsair and keychron shit
>>107464476They still charge an extra $230 for a copper base on the Mode lolgod bless Neo
>>107460260Yes, Qmk. I wanted to start with the absolutely simplest build possible, so I just used direct wire. I will probably use diodes and hot swap sockets in my next build. I find that when I try to do too much at once I usually don't do it at all in the end.
Best mods for MX Blacks?
>>107463382make sure you get the right PCB that was released in the right year! Anything else will fall short of delivering the full Stradivarius experience that others are enjoying on GEON ONLY
>he didn't get the right PCBoh shucks! giggity goo!and a big fuck you!
this AGEd well>this boards makes jj mad! I will use it no matter whatthey should equip underwater drones with F1s and set them pinging loudly it'll look like a whole fleet of real submarines cos PIIIING
amazing how much better this thread becomes by simply filtering "troon"
>>107465091"Full size"? Oh, you mean tr○○n-size?
>>107465192troons aren't full-size to begin with so it doesn't add up
>>107444955>>107445160hell awaits you.
>>107464319lol no I used it because it works with 3.3V and I thought it's funny having 823 in part name the same as INA. doesn't have to be some uber nice opamp, just that it works with 3.3V and is rail to rail output.>I dont have the tools to set the differential GAIN on the INA I think.datasheet says what values to use for the gain, if you don't want to simulate in Spice or measure with DMM. you need to at least know the DC voltage between the two INA inputs, basically the output of the sensor at max signal, when you press the switch down, measure between the two outputs, with DMM. you'll see something, 100mV or whatever.now, what you want is max 2.5V out of INA, so for example, with 100mV between the two inputs of INA, you need a gain of 25 so you get 2.5V on the output, between GND and output of INA. looking at picrel table from INA823 datasheet you'd need around uh...say around 4.7Kohm which is a standard value. you don't really need some precise value, you want 1-2V of signal so it's enough for micro to deal with.just measure the output of sensor with switch pressed down. INA should be powered from 5V, sensor as well. INA shouldn't really output into ADC directly, you'd use an opamp in buffer configuration, and you power the opamp from 3.3V, so it doesn't output more than that into ADC no matter what happens on its inputs.
>>107464319plus that bitch expensive as fuck for an opamp ($10 a pop), AD823. must be some precision shit. totally overkill for this application, makes no fucking sense. but simulates nice in Spice.Keychron used a chinese clone of AD8622 which is another expensive opamp (for the legit one), $7-$8 or so.https://www.analog.com/en/products/ad8622.htmljust get something that is rail-to-rail output and can be powered from 3.3V and is unity gain stable. these should be mentioned in the datasheet. don't get anything exotic/fancy
>>107465324So long as I get to suck many cocks first, I really don't mind. <75% and smaller foreskins only
You can't have an endgame linear if you're not using Geon's 22mm 50g springs. These feel so good.
>>107465546>tfw I have Geon 22mm 55g springs in my MX Browns right now
>>107464319>>107465472check out the circuit at page 16:https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/AD8622_8624.pdfit's basically what we're doing, they just use an instrumentation amplifier instead of having it integrated in a whole package like INA823 is.they're also using a Hall Effect Wheatstone bridge, where resistive elements are lower in value (400R). and they use a 2.5V precise voltage reference. but they're powering the Hall Effect bridge with like 0.1V total, and they're barely reading anything, so they need to amplify that signal, notice R5/R6 are 10K and R7 is 200R. so 50x gain. we don't need this level of precision/gain. INA823 fed from 5V and opamp buffer from 3.3V is fine.
but thinking about it, in some super nice keyboard I'd expect ultra precision expensive components, top notch layout and precise voltage references everywhere, for an analog keyboard. that bitch better be a german lab measurement analog gear tier device, not latest deal on shenzen parts market.instead you'll just get something "that works" but with a shiny gold plated graphic with black silkscreen probably, for your dumbfuck priced hunk of metal lmao. because you'll pay for it, you're clueless fucking retards you don't care about that shit. like getting a Bentley with a Civic engine in it, but "mahogany" engine cover or sum shit
>>107461892>>107462513I just got Gateron Type R's in my new keyboard and I think they are perfect for this. picrel =)Most tactile switches have a little bit of linear travel before+after the bump but these ones are designed to not have that. it's 100% tactile. All bump. HMX has a version of this too (retro J)I really like how they feel and sound. I got XDA keycaps too, which pairs nicely with the short travel distance imo.
>>107465665Let us know if they start double-typing. Gateron tactiles have had some problems
>>107465670I did get 1 defective switch in my set of 110, it was continually inputting though, not double pressing...Thanks for the warning though, I'm glad I have a few spares.
>>107465690Only one with a problem in 110 (and not the problem I'd expect) is not bad at all. I had 15 or so with obvious problems in my set of Gateron Longjing Tea switches.
$80 cannonkeys mystery shitbox here we goOooOoOOOooOOoo
>>107465948
>>107465954I am basedjaking a little bit right now. Let's see what trash I got. WHATS IN THE FUCKING BO- ohlooks like gat milky yellows, always nice to see
These are just ok. I don't hate them.
>>107465965Looking at their website those might be JWick yellows. They're sold out of the G Pro Yellows, which are the other thing it could have been.
>>107465973Inb4 this post comes true completely >>107356382
>>107465979you're right. upon closer inspection, they are jwick yellows, extremely cheap switches. probably the cheapest on their sitehardshell case is quite nice though
>>107465989Let's find out. What color did I get.
>>107465994I remember Blacksimon said JWick Blacks were perfectly OK on an ultra-budget build. If you break those in, spring swap them, then lube them yourself they're probably just fine.>>107466006Love the way they send their boards wrapped in that nice soft thick cloth
>>107466006mint green here we go
>>107466017Close. I was hoping for this color the least (lmao) but honestly, after seeing the ano in person, I do have to admit it is extremely nice and I think it'll grow on me. I think my hand is forced, I'm going to order MT3 jasmine right now.
>>107466031I am going to spend the next thirty minutes thinking of what I'd order if I had to buy caps for that
>>107466008I'm really not sure what switches to put in this thing. The board is solder only so I can't really play around with it. I have these lying around. TTC brother are basically just slightly better cherry blues. I don't think I actually want to solder fucking clickies in and be stuck with them though.
>>107466051>The board is solder only so I can't really play around with it.Sure you can, just don't jump the gun on soldering everything in. Stick the switches in and try typing on the board to see how it sounds, etc. But you can't just live with the board for a while and see how you feel about it, that's true.
>>107466031https://drop.com/buy/drop-dcx-emerald-keycap-set
>>107466072Green mismatch. That leans blue and his board is more neutral. (Assuming I am not mistaken.)
>>107466072Damn, that would look good but I don't know much about the profile. I've already pulled the trigger on MT3 jasmine but I just realized it only has one B key.
>>107466098I feel pretty certain that the more sculpted the caps the more retarded they will look with Alice
>>107466113That's not going to stop me. In my last build I slapped MT3 on an agar and quickly realized MT3 looks very stupid on 60% too. I don't want to go back to cherry profile or anything like it.
Anons - I'm kinda new to this. After half a year, some of my keys are double clicking or not responding. Tried cleaning the switches with alcohol, but they're still not workingAnyway, the switches are keychron pro reds - specifically reds for gaming.What are some equivalent switches that I could replace them with? Fucking hell, I need like 20. Replaced F1-F12 with gaterons, and then put the keychron pros in my missing keys, still need more
>>107462598>more layout customization>programmability (macros especially are very useful for a wagey like me)That's not something intrinsic to the keyboard being mechanical, it's just that these features are usually included with mechanical keyboards because of their premium-ish prices.>key feelsure, nothing to argue about here.
>>107466031I've thought about it and I think I'd try the Cannonkeys CXA Pine keycaps on this. The green is a bit darker but they both look like pretty dead neutral greens. It doesn't come with a second B, so that's really annoying, but it's uniform profile so lots of other keys you could stick there at least. Maybe the numpad dot. And since it's uniform it probably looks ok on Alice. It has the necessary spacebars also.But of course WoB and beige are both very safe picks on green. Many options. KAM Playground? I hope the PBS WoB that's coming soon will be good in spite of being reverse dye sub, but I don't think I'd be willing to gamble on that.
>>107465557For real?
>>107466206100% really really real for real
>>107466152keychron uses gateron pro reds in their boards IIRC and they're just ok, so just order more of those if that's what you want. but i say this is a good excuse to try something new instead. there are way better switches out there. go get some HMX linears or something.
>>107466314Are cidoo carda/mint switches good? What even are they? Korean?
>>107466354never heard of emI'm not really a huge linear guy but my recommendation would be stuff like TTC frozens, or, uh, I've heard nixies are good, oil kings or literally any HMX linear ever. Particularly the last two mentions because you don't need to lube them. HMX are perfect OOTB.
TX springs ping louder than Geon springs.
Of course it's a moot point when you lube your springs but still, Geon's springs are the
>>107466525>Geon's springs are theThe what?
any major difference in sound with a SS weight vs. copper?
>>107466533GOAT
Stock MX2A springs ping so bad they sound like a bad nightmare. Spring sound tests are best done on a POM plate. Brings out all the shittiness
Bump wump
Are these ugly?
>>107467676I can dig it, others may not. What's important is if you like it.
>>107467676yesdon't buy unless you're a big fan of the movies
>>107467676I like that movie
>>107467676You wouldn't have eyed those if you didn't like them. Stop asking faggots on the internet to fit in, and use them if you like them. Jesus fuck
Is wooting a meme "gaymer" board?
Give it to me straight, guysIs Keychron a meme brand? Lookin' at the Q5 max.
My keyboard is a 1988 Model M and all you fags are disgustingly gay.
>>107444844topre isnt a brand of keyboardjapan most famous keyboard is hhkbit is not full sizei laugh at you gay
>>107468636Model t-rans
>>107469136Model Mtf is right there bro
MX2A Blacks go best with just lubed springs and films. Everything else must be unlubed, bone dry for maximum SCRATCH.
>>107469255Fugg
>>107468702Can't expect them to go uncorrupted now, I'm not surprised. TKL/1800/100% only.
>>107465324No I'm not I'm literally in Church right nowIn God's Grace and Mercy
>>107466573Try them all out faggit
Geon is so based
I realize this is a vague and pointless request, but you have to start somewhere.I have a QMax keychrone on brown switches. I've been using it for two years now and I'm happy with it. But I've been wanting to upgrade to more tactile keycaps and switches for a while now.What keycap and switch profile would you recommend? Especially for typing and strategy games?
Just ordered 450 unlubed Blacks from Geon
>>107467676>literal globohomo keycap set
>>107470174ALLUNDERHEAVEN
>Redragon Surara PRO [K582-PRO]>Specifications:>Keyboard Weight: 2.23 pounds>Keyboard Dimensions: 17.3 x 5.9 x 1.6 inches>Key Switches: OUTEMU Brown Optical Switches>Matrix: 104 Keys (Full Rollover)>Height Adjustable: Yes>Customizable RGB backlights (16.8 Million colors)>Macro key binds with programmable keys are all editable via softwareThoughts on this $40 chinkshit for a beginner?
>>107470354If you haven't used Brown styled switches before you might not like them.
>>107469894Gateron browns are pretty subtle, almost any switch sold as a tactile will be more tactile. So you have lots of options.
What's so special about these overpriced boards like TGR Jane?
>>107470354This looks like a nightmare, just find the cheapest board that is hot swapable
Anyone know anything about wlmouse keyboards? I'm considering a ying75 but can't really find any actual information on build quality and reliability.
Baionworks only
>MX blacks on aluWow.. just wow.. where do i begin? What a masterpiece, enough to bring sweet tears of joy to my very eyes, and a kiss to my ears. This isnt just a keyboard, its a symphony of elegance and precision. A mechanical marvel that commands attention with every press of a key. Like a whisper from the future, the sound of each key resonates within my soul. Truly, this is the hands of a brilliant craftsman, with elaborate words not even able to scratch the surface of such magnificence.
there are only 17 F1 V2s left bros (down from 19 yesterday)
>>107471283Plenty of F1s in the used market though.
but holy shit imagine gooning to Geon's keyboards edging really hard when you get to the F1 and then you click check out and put in your credit card and you edge hard as fuck for an hour and pull the trigger and blast cum all over your inferior keyboard in tribute
>>107471315i dont have to imagine
>>107452077I have a crush 80 TKL and a WASD 104 key i'm trying to get rid of on ebay
>>107471326y-you did it?
>>107471315This particular kind of joking and forcing things to become memes is one of the most tiresome and aesthetically revolting parts of online discourse. It is how men "joke" when they have no idea for a joke. It is the sound of the mental machinery grinding and sputtering when it runs out of material.When you find a Discord server full of people saying "hnnng fuck me Daddy Geon", these are slaves. The chains which bind them are the idea that they always need to be funny, they need to be having fun, they need to be "not taking themselves too seriously", etc. How much freer (and less annoying!) they could become if they could rid themselves of this false idea.
>>107471429Once you've been inside of one of those ships for a while, you're never...quite whole...again...
>>107462481Sorry for late reply.I don't know of any that are exactly this. Aflion Foggy Shadow hit some of the requirements (mid-travel bump, more tactile than browns, shorter travel) but not others (heavier springs, 2mm actuation). I can think of other switches that hit almost every mark, but the bump is in the wrong place. I wish more sellers would develop their own switch testing equipment to post force travel diagrams. Some don't even distinguish carefully between spring weight and tactile bump strength. "This is a light tactile" in what sense? It's frustrating.
what keyboard would a refined gentleman buy
>>107471765Norbauer Seneca. They market it to old boomers who wear suits and sit in posh wood decor rooms with a fireplace and whisky and all.
>>107471809what the hell this looks worse than a mode keyboard and those are like $300
>>1074717658bitdo xbox edition with the matching mouse
>>107470376Is that so? The options are red, blue or brown switches for that keyboard>>107470503Got some recommendations? Redragons are among the cheapest here, but apparently you don't have many options of switches when using outemu board
I took /mkg/s recommendations and upgraded to a Cherry Stream desktop as a dead silent productivity keyboard and mouse. I've been very happy with it but now I realize that I need something different for gaming... the 2-3 Key Rollover is getting on my nerves. Looking at things like Corsair K55, some HyperX thing. Really, I'm having a hard time telling from these ads which ones are NKRO. >Budget: <$100, ideally <$50, most likely sourced off amz>Location: USA>Preferred switch type: Membrane (need silent or close to it)>Layout: QWERTY>Form factor: 100%>Backlight: Don't care / optional>Previous/current keyboard" Cherry Stream>Other: Probably USB direct connect vs. wireless this time. Needs to be quiet.
>>107471834That $100k R&D into making perfect stabilizers needs to be recovered. Pay up!
>>107471903what the FUCK are you doing, buy a wooting HE80
>>107471885https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32952663095.html
>Budget$140-$150>Location (continent at least)UAE>Preferred switch typelinear>LayoutANSI>Form factor96%>Backlightnone>Previous/current keyboardsf99proim thinking of getting a keychron k4 he but im worried about being stuck with only one type of switch
>>107471809senecas look so uncomfortable to type on I don’t know why anyone would want that
>>107473871K4 has hotswap lol
>>107474025Seems like just the product to market to clueless boomers!
>>107474046but on the website it says its only works on gateron double rail doesnt work with other magnetic switches
>>107474073I'm sure there must be different versions of the K4. Check if it shows hotswap compatible with any 5 pin switch and not specifically just Gateron double rails. See what I mean:https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/onomd4/bought_a_keychron_k4_hotswap_modded_it_to_be_a/
>>107474025Low front height, topre clones, MTNU... I don't see why that would be uncomfortable
>>107474204yeah i know what you mean the HE version only supports Gateron double rails
I need:-Programable Macros-Macros need to work when wireless-CheapishAny recommendations?
>>107474486>Low front heightwhat the fuck are you talking about? the front case height is ridiculous
>>107475200I'm just picturing how I remember it looking. What does he measure it at?
>>107475209>>107475200lol nvm I'm looking at the pictures again and yeah it does look kinda big. Hmm.... maybe not the comfiest typing experience you can buy
>>107475209i don't know but judging from pictures it looks like 50mm. it's over double the height of any reasonable keyboardalso the typing angle is 0 degrees...
>>107468512As far as I'm aware they're making the best hall effect boards presently, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not a gaymer meme
I want some quirky keycap shapes that's not cherry, I want those rounded weird keycaps, which should I try
>>107468551Keychron's good. But if I were buying a 96% I'd look for one with a dedicated num lock indicator, not one that shines an RGB LED under the opaque keycap for that. Trying to find good indicator window keycap sets is painful, especially if you can't just fall back on 21kb beige (which doesn't really go with Keychron's colors)>>107475318PBS (Keyreative) is a great profile especially if you can get a set with the rounded bottom row. Don't know when they'll do another set as good as MV Classic though.
>>107472795Damn that is a lot more affordable than I was expectingThanks for the recommendation, anonI was thinking of picking the brown switch option earlier, but from what I've been reading, linear (red) is actually a better beginner option if you have games as priority and typing as secondary activity, is that right?
>>107474497their HE double-rail line of keyboards work with any KS-37B switch version, there's a few out there.these magnetic switches usually come in two flavors, north pole or south pole facing the sensor. I think KS-37B uses south pole towards sensor and KS-20 series uses north pole towards sensor.https://www.hlplanet.com/gateron-magnetic-switches/there's a few versions already, for each. Jade Mini E should be compatible with the Keychron HE keyboards. but Jade and Jade Pro aren't. it's a standard clusterfuck, as usual.
>>107475340I'm thinking something more like this, it's fuck ugly in my opinion, but the rounded caps look interesting.
>>107472795Hideous piece of shit keyboard for broke teenagers
>>107475340some Keychron keyboards do have a dedicated regular LED that's next to RGB one, on indicator keys. don't think that's a rule tho
>>107475361A keycap should be designed to catch and direct all the force of your keystroke down into the switch, not to encourage your finger to glance off its sloped sides and strike other keys
hmm, interesting:https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wooting-80he-hall-effect-analog-gaming-keyboard/4.htmlwooting is using hc4067 mux which is a 16 channel one. I counted 6 of them, so they can take 96 inputs max. keyboard has 84 keys. so they using 6 ADC inputs max.hall effect sensors are always on (that SMD cap is on the power supply pin) and they're switching the mux.they also using gd32f425 which is some stm32 clone. not sure which one, 200MHz, 12bit ADCs, fuckload of ADC inputs, 19 of them. but they're only using a few.they also using USB3300 chip for high-speed USB so they can go 8kHz. figures.I think I'll drop the TMR nonsense, too complicated really. I'd rather add the auto-switch-polarity mod to a hall effect design, at least the sensors are tried and seem to work fine.
anyone tried haimu mulberries? I can't find force curve data anywhere. the metal stem meme seems interesting but i really want to see what the bump looks like and if there is any pretravel
>>107475341It's hotswap so if you don't like the switches you can change them.>>107475365Just need to paint the red sides and get some better keycaps.
>>107475341anything but clicky switches are fine for gaming. pokemon starter switches are all lame though
>>107475657Clicky is fine for gaming. Just not ideal. Lots of guys game on clickies and feel fine about it.
Geon
