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>finally get a job as a developer and a really good one at that, over median salary just starting out>Feel like i know nothing and dont deserve itWhen will it go away?
>team lead sends link to some new tool>"so I know this basically irrelevant to our current assigned tasks but using it counts for some metrics">"so just log in a few days or whatever"Business shit is so faggy I swear
>>107524889I ended up just continuing my bruteforce and getting lucky with this company that just happened to be needing a new onsite support despite everything being outsourced to Curryland. We have to manage 5 buildings in 3 different cities with the 2 of us while constantly wrangling the tard decisions by the outsourced network and sec teams on top of everything wrong with Microsoft.I want to kill myself honestly but the entire situation is so surreal that it actually makes me laugh and enjoy myself.
>>107525617When you finally start to know more about something than everyone else
>antagonize young people/newcomers with the most nonsensical and brutal AI and HR roastie hiring processes combined with lowering spots>antagonize juniors with the constant lingering threat of being laid off for AI or some Indian h1b>give little benefits for juniors who take charge and try to excel(smaller chance of being replaced by akshit isnt a benefit)>non seniors basically feel little connection with what they work for in turn and do just the bare minimum to not get fired>and probably can and would fuck over the company if there is a benefitIm struggling to understand what the late term plan is for when boomers retire in these big corpsThey cant possibly be expecting pajeets to be the ones inheriting and running these
>>107525617it takes a couple years to even feel slightly useful. this is also why entry level market is so bad. an entry level dev just costs a company money.i can at least tell you that after 4 years it really doesnt go away. theres just a lot of information to know and remember. maybe if your job is limited in scope its probably to get over this. if youre "full stack" its just a lot of information.the way you can get around the "dont deserve it" part is by trying your absolute hardest to learn everything you can to be useful. you have to way that against burnout which will happen though.just my opinion though maybe most feel differently. whatever you do dont start believing in le imposter syndrome because its normal to feel like that when you suck ass really bad.
>>107526143>it takes a couple years to even feel slightly useful.I become useful 2 weeks because I have some kind of tech savantism but the downside is that I'm never able to truly master something at expert level and I also have some social issues
>>107526239>the downside is that I'm never able to truly master something at expert levelwhy not?if you feel useful in just 2 weeks, you might be setting the bar too low to what constitutes useful. setting it very high and hating that you suck could work better.>I also have some social issuesyou and everyone else on 4chan brotha
>>107525617Just own it up and say you deserve it. >>107526143I disagree. Typically the most skilled ones in uni can start at the medior level. Most entry level devs however can't adapt fast to an entire new set of tools they've never encountered. The better ones in uni easily can, but 70-80% can't without a book or teacher strictly telling them what to do. Grades are a poor indication as well since its about how someone would perform without having a lot of guidance. Sure at work you can get guidance but you want to be able to complete projects by yourself without constantly nagging other people about it. Unless you want to become a scrum master of course. With anything full stack you'll constantly encounter new tools unless working in house somewhere and get familiarity with a few frameworks. The basic foundational skills are what matters and how quickly you can pick up the newer stuff.
>>1075262392 weeks in* please im not a jeet you have to believe me this is exactly what im talking about with my social issues my brain goes faster than my hands or mouth!!!!!>>107526379>why not?I get distracted by other things I'm capable of utilizing and then there's just too much going on to really focus on something to a high level. I have the same problem with hobbies. I'm naturally good at a lot of things and then it just bores me and I start looking for entertainment elsewhere.>if you feel useful in just 2 weeks, you might be setting the bar too low to what constitutes useful. setting it very high and hating that you suck could work better.I'm always very critical of myself and always know I can do better, but with tech stuff I hit mental blocks at expert level where I go "I could spend 100 hours on this to marginally improve or 10 hours on something else and add another skill to my set".It's probably just my inability to grow out up entry level roles so I'll never really attain a specialization to be forced into getting master level with...
>>107526384you probably went to a better school than i did. at mine i felt like there was 1 guy in my graduating class who was talented to that degree, and it wasnt me.programming is supposed to be a g-loaded task. selecting for the top 10% at uni in a stem program is equivalent to choosing around 125-130 iq cohort. 130 is considered a "genius" level iq. in that range, geniuses probably outperform a lot of average people in any g-loaded task with far smaller experience. or otherwise, the top performers in a class also probably have a lot more prior experience to programming too.all that aside i think theres a lot of skill in just learning codebase and convention at a company. things are a lot different now that you can prompt to search codebase for specific functionality described in a ticket, and get relatively accurate results.i dont disagree with you necessarily, but those are just my thoughts from my perspective in my very limited experience.>>107526402unironically adhd meds would help with that. adhd isnt real but the meds will straighten out half-assed learning and stimulation seeking like that.
Man these people took my bonus from me then they didn't give me a raise. I got so much anger in me got no way to take it out. Think I'm stuck in this job forever. Where the fuck is the office hoes? Yes I'm a corpo cuck, I like it when I eat shit. The shit that I post on social media, they telling me "You're gonna get fired." How they can't be seeing my burn out. I'm driving my toyota camry with my 6 digit income. I still can't get a bonus with all the hard work that I do. I still don't get a raise. My boss see my social but they don't see how I'm feeling so I became a leech yeah bitch I'm a corpoleech.
it took me only 6 months at this new company to not give a fuck anymore and to do the bare minimum and skip doing work shit even though there are things to dohow bad is it? this is my first job btw. I love the subject at hand and yet I can't motivate myself to do shit
>>107526660Enjoy to being an adult! Being a teenager wasn't that bad now, was it? But noooooooo you just had to wish on Zoltar to be big huh
>over 3 years in after pic related>actually became a key team member and productive >shitty niche job tinkering with internal tools and automations>zero work on production code>zero experience in anything that might be relevant in the marketHow over is it for me if we ever get layoffs?
>>107526720the market wants indians that can code with claude, you were fucked anyway. Keep grabbing paychecks untill they fire you or the ship sinks. No need to worry about the future, there won't be any market in the future
>>107526580> you probably went to a better school than i did.Idk I went to university of Amsterdam, studied CS. Programming and the theoretical math you would encounter in uni is almost entirely g-loaded. The ones with the best career trajectory weren't the best performers but the ones who were really solid at presenting + could also keep up with the technical work in group projects. When I looked up people I was with in the uni (looked up around 40 in my class some time ago) the ones with the nicer sounding roles and with well paying companies were those. Then there were also a few who had their own company and went straight up into consulting / self employment, I reckon some of those are earning the best overall. In a working environment and especially during interviews it's very important to deliver a nice enough social presence and make people like you. From there on out its important to have the minimum required technical knowledge to do the job. Yes, I'd agree that learning new things is both easier and faster than in the past. Partially due to very in depth udemy courses + online learning resources and partially due to LLMs being great at hand holding for problems that have had a lot of online discussion (e.g. anything related to SQL).
>>107526720Keep collecting. I work in MSP contracting and its year by year of asking "Are we getting fucked, bought out or are we fucking up the contract". You sound like you have far better stability.
>>107525258>that picWhoa, it do be like that.
Another day of hard work consisting of moving my mouse now and then and replying to stupid shit on teams while drinking beer
>working with jeets>they all present VERY WIDE vague questions to BIG chainsNot going to lie this is REALLY pissing me the fuck off. I'm just trying to survive the friday before my boss comes back next week but it feels like they're just waiting for a GOTCHA if I email something.
i have NO alcohol for this friday evening nor any drugs
upon further consideration i will now go buy some groceries
My work has a lot of "anything you say will be used against you". Mixing that in with big email chains and how do I avoid this? I usually get my boss to just give the answer even if it's literally 1+1=2 but fuck I get so paranoid and scared if I say 1+1=2 that they end up coming after me going NUH UH NOOOOO NUH UH =
>>107525617What is wrong with you retarded zoomers this isn't a syndrome or unique. You guys literally know nothing and are useless, which is fine. It just means you need to pay attention and learn and work on become a contributing member of a team. Literally every new person on every team throughout history has felt this way>hurr why do I feel like an incompetent retard when I am one
>>107524302>Asian ladyboy nutIm talking to Kondo Mumu on PSN right now
>>107527540because they've been coddled their whole life and told that everything they do is great. Even video games don't challenge them today, they see a puzzle and the narrator tells them the solution after 2 seconds
>watching porn during company all-hands meeting I've gone beyong quiet quittingI don't give a shit
>>107527849I did a 100+ person presentation on Databricks while shitting
>>107525617The trick is to take on tasks that are only slightly out of your depth. If you have the education and IQ then you'll figure it out. After a few times you'll have proven your capability to yourself and won't feel like an outsider. Alternatively, if you're not smart enough, then BS your way through tasks and blame others when things go wrong. You will still get ahead and earn a place in the inner circle. It's that easy
>>107527874you were screen sharing, camera on and mic unmuted?i dont believe you
>>107527901No camera, just screenshare since it was a powerpoint. Muted mic to shotgun spray diarrhea when someone else started talking. I had also just woken up 10 minutes beforehand.
During the all hands our C-level dudes could barely speak english and the director level employees all look pissed off and angry that they had to be therethat's why i quiet quit
I didn't go to the last all hands because we had a meeting and then they didn't record so no idea what was said. Also no one cares
>>107527923"Americans just don't want to work anymore"
>>107528096You will attend the meeting to listen to stacy talk about the new vision benefit and you will be happy
>>107528234>listen to stacyI've never once had to do this. All hands are about engineering only. I only interact with engineers (maybe the occasional product manager). If there is a policy change the HR contractors just email us and then nobody realizes because nobody reads their email>t. microjeet
>>107528179You WILL listen to my inane mandatory all hands while I paint my porcelain throne brown and you WILL be happy
>>107525696Do share some stories please.
>>107526071Boomers don't care about anything except the here and now and what they can get out of it, everything else be damned
>>107528381The fucking things americans will say
I feel like I gotta start recording more for work. I was talking to my boss on something unrelated and he asked me about what we did for the last project and he looked shocked acting like the last project should've had a feature in it when it didn't and I'm just like "uhhhhh.....that's not what was in the requirements."He kinda dropped it since it's done and dusted but he looked like "wtf".
>FAGMAN interviewer is a jeetIt's over
>>107528846You need to recap conversations via emails to your boss to make sure he can't gaslight you
Being a lead fucking sucks. You just sit in meetings all fucking day. At least at my desk I can browse the Internet, but in fucking meetings you gotta sit there and pretend to be interested the entire time even when the meeting has nothing to do with you.
>>107529227In my team we only have meetings where we all sit right next to each other wearing headphones and staring at our screens while we double hear each other on headphones and from them actually talking. I don't think my manager ever attends other meetings in person, he just sits next to me in meetings all day on teams
>>107526660Did the same thing for my first job but I wasn't even able to write a single line of code during that time
kek this thread is funny, I don't know if you guys are making up some of the stuff or if it really is like this working at some of the bigger corporations but I'm having a laughreminded me of this fella I'd met on a train who said he hadn't done anything yet in the 3 months he's been at his new big name company because he got solo assigned to some super huge complex project in a completely different subfield that what he used to do and that spans basically the entire company or some shit, and his manager keeps telling him he's doing great even when he tells him he hasn't done anything
>>107529681People elsewhere may make shit up but this thread is exclusively used to complain about work, life and subhumans so most people are pretty honest.
I discovered I like disassembling and assembling complex machinery maybe I should've gone into robotics, mechatronics or just become a mechanic.
tgif am i right fellas
>>107530625Thank fuck.
>>107530371But can you disassemble my raging boner using just your mouth?
My company is letting us choose a holiday gift and there's nothing in the options that I really want...
>>107530769no. Unless you're girl with a big clit, a futa, or a sexy south american shemale.
>>107530776>no bonuses>just a holiday giftsame here. humiliation ritual
>>107530881In previous years there was an option for a cheese gift box, but not this year... it's all just random tech junk
>>107530881When rich people do it they get a movie deal and a free ticket to their favorite vacation beach. When we do it they laugh at us :C
I hate Teams so god damn much. Why do people insist on using it when we also have Zoom
>>107530625one week more and then I get ten days offfirst vacation time since July and haven't had a single sick leave day either
>>107531066japan. now.
>>107531167Everyones planning to move to japan. Never follow the masses.
>>107531167No jobs.
why are people messaging me on teams to do shit on a Friday at 4:30
>>107531201also, japs are racist even if u r white
>>107531224Do the workful anon.
>>107531383I will not. The needful will get needed on Monday.
>>107531474Redeem the PTO to avoid it anon.
>>107528291No I won't.Half the times I just join this kind of meetings with no audio and play vidya on my main PCThe other half I don't even join
>>107531359that's based though
>>107531515THESE MEETINGS ARE FOR MOTIVATED WORKERS YOU SICK FUCK
>>107531359>also, japs are racist even if u r whitetheyre nice to me
>>107531515Works for me BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP
Alright fine I finally picked a gift, i'm getting a cheap ass consumer grade espresso maker for Christmas from my companyThe amazon reviews say it spits scalding hot water at you sometimes, so that will be fun
>>107532019Its not that bad. If you want burns that remove your fingers then start making candy at home. Hot sugar will get you real good.
>>107532150I'm a fucking idiot with hot stuff, I burn myself all the time by accident. I bumped the heating element in my oven once with the back of my hand, that was a bad one. Then I did it again a few years later with the other hand. I also recently burned my fingers on my air fryer.So I will definitely be burning myself on this espresso thing, and I will NOT be melting any sugar.
>>107532183I am the opposite hot stuff i rarely get burned. But cutting myself man does that happen alot. Luckily i have yet to need stitches from it (probably needed it for 2 of the times). Don't mess with hot sugar infact don't bother with making caramel at home its a pain in the ass to begin with.
