I just switched from the SuperMix 4 to the GK Kunten. Why does it make every little bit of distortion into a loud ass rattle? I could drive the SM4 hard and it wouldn't distort but with the Kunten there is distortion from every little peak.

>>107752229
do you know what distortion sounds like?

>>107752177
Foxzo won
Guidezo lost

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IA500S COMING TODAY LETS GOOO

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>he redeemed

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>he actually redeemed
Oh no nono

why are pentaconn coreir aluminum the best eartips? maybe because of the hard core

Guidezo cost us the entire general. We're not coming back from this embarrassment

>>107752534
there's like 5 cheaper variants now
>>107752538
>t. guidezo samefagging as the opposition

>>107752235
he knows what distortion looks likehis gk kunten is a png file

>>107752544
I got pretty good at recognizing guidezo's posts tbf, thought him being a sick fuck was just a meme but he really is a monkey

>>107752592
good at recognizing because you're xhi lmao

>>107751421
>use the edc pro outdoors
even if you wear your $500 sets outside, nobody cares

You don't use $500 pos because you're afraid it'll get stolen. I don't use $500 pos because it sounds bad. We are not the same.

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>>107752849
holy trvclear launch detected

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your shitbud still gets bodied by picrel

>>107752390
Supplements on ali are sawdust in a pill with fake certs, saar.

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>>107752918
Obsoleted by fox IEM.

>>107752932
thats amazon though and it has good reviews outside of amazon

>>107752390
>load boost
Is this for semen?

>>107752808
I just don't want to drop my expensive stuff desu, also if I need to pull my set out of my ear to talk to a person I will do it gently with the expensive one vs with the EDC pro I'll just rip that shit out and let it drop whilst attached to the cable and let it dangle without care whilst talking to someone, not to mention every time I'm done with an expensive set I roadie wrap and store it in its case, my EDC I just wrap and quickly toss in my pocket.
>>107752849
yep the $500 set does sound bad desu, after EQ it's good though.

>>107752996
he read the tanchjim jelqing guide

>>107752918
I've been maining PRX for a couple weeks now, but I do love my PR2

>>107752390
just opened em up bros, nothing magic about them kek, maybe i'll wait till the peqdb ultimate curve gets posted for it

>>107753214
also the cable sucks ass

>>107753214
saar please buy $70 chink coupler for your $5 shitbuds please saaaar

>>107753214
>fell for the jeet shilling
>skipped every step that made him shill them in the first place
Cargo cult audio.

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>>107753214
>nothing special
I simply KNOW you're utterly assblasted you got owned by shartur

>>107753285
i got the spinfits and swapped the channels though. also my pair clearly dont have any balance issues

>>107753417
Well, do you have less occlusion effect that way?

>>107753435
idk what that means

>>107753506
Then why did you buy them.

>>107753556
that indian guy said they were the best ever and theyre only like 10 bucks on amazon
also they are rather small and incredibly light which is great for comfort. i can even fit my passive noise cancelling headphones over them easily

>>107753595
>indian guy said
Oh nono /iemg/ xixtas, is this really our best?

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My friend was kind enough to lend his RS8 so I could listen to my Brise Watatsumi. Hiby RS8 is well-established as a bright, airy R2R dap even on LO so bare that in mind when reading my impressions:
>RS8 PO vs LO into Watatsumi
Watatsumi is definitely thicker, warmer, more analog-sounding than RS8. Compared to the Watat, RS8 sounded drier, and more light-footed.

>Masskobo 475 vs Watatsumi
MK475 is definitely the brighter amp - it has less dynamics, bass is more subdued, with a tad more treble sparkle.

>Watatsumi vs LP EA4 (Class A, down-up-up-down)
Watatsumi is less mid-bassy and not as warm-sounding as the EA4. Watatsumi also had better treble extension (EA4 in full Class A does sound slightly dark).

>Switching EA4 to Class AB
Now EA4 has the sharper treble, while Watatsumi is bigger and denser on the noteweight; and sounded warmer. On Class AB, the midbass on the EA4 is tamed so now the Watatsumi is the more midbassy of the two, but their tonality is fairly close: Class AB EA4 is around the ballpark of neutrality and the Watat falls around the same region.

EA4 is known to stage incredibly wide and the Watat is only slightly behind in that aspect.

IMO, Watat is a very strong generalist: pronounced bass, dense mids. Only weak point is its treble: it's forward and present, albeit slightly rounded, thus taking a hit in perceived resolution.

>>107753595
they also have no detachable cable and are built like trash, you got scammed by a jeet

>>107753595
Have you completely ignored the reason why he said they're the best? Because they aren't the best in neither the comfort nor the sound quality, even for the price.

>>107753595
>he redeemed

>>107753608
indian general. anyway peqdb will fix this

>>107753595
I told you that you should've bought the ST7 for $10 more. You fell for the coaxial meme and not even a good coaxial.

>>107753680
he compared them to genelec speakers though

>>107753701
peqdb will make you deaf

>>107753708
>BAs
yuck

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>>107753710
obsolete

>>107753625
the real scam is the 300 dollars quintests ive been using till now. what a waste, these sound just as good

>>107753856
>xhe spent $300 on a $220 MSRP pos
brotato getting scammed any time he buys anything

four hours of work left until I can put on my dawns and facefuck my whore and piss in her mouth hypeeeeeee

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Still excellent for those wondering.

>>107754070
*copies FiR AUDIO RN6 minus techs*

>>107754070
nobody is wondering, nobody ever wondered, just like nobody has ever read the eq guide

>>107753745
this is a very tranny room

anybody know of any distortion measurement for the deuce?

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Endgame

>>107754206
Why? its FR is garbage and you can get good distortion metrics from basically any POS

>>107754633
you can't eq driver behavior.

>>107754903
Driver behavior is measured in total harmonic distortion and far below what human can distinguish in the vast majority of cases.

>>107754903
You personally can't. I of course can.

>>107754993
>total harmonic distortion
sure, that's one thing. there's no single measurement that really gives you the bigger picture. both a cheap and expensive speaker will sound different even if tuned to the same FR.

>>107754903
KZ proved that you can after releasing an unplugged BA iem that reviewers found audible. the driver behavior is in the marketing materials.

Why do a lot of IEM shells have that 90's bedazzled look to them? My Tea Pros, Top Pros, and Arete have that look of like some Ed Hardy shirt with glitter sprinkled on it. My Cano Cristales and Martilo aren't as bad since one is themed after the actual river and the other looks like some Spider-Man shit.

what's the secret to gk kunten's driver?

>>107755290
>reviewers
they were unreliable and facetious even before KZ arrived. KZ is perpetually goated for being their own OEM and forcing other brands to break price tiers. don't blame them, blame the idiot customers that still pay top dollar thinking the resulting sound is top dollar. point of diminishing returns exist and you can only 'implement' the same driver so well until it doesn't get any better, technically.
>>107755314
no secret, kz decided to take their best DD and spread that joy around by nuking the price down

>>107755158
> there's no single measurement that really gives you the bigger picture
That's correct because FR of any artificial head inevitably differs from your individual FR at the eardrum.
> both a cheap and expensive speaker will sound different even if tuned to the same FR
This is an obvious misconception. Sound quality isn't tied to headphone price. While a relatively flat FR based on a neutral target is a good baseline, EQ is still essential to address individual needs. It would be incredibly naive to trust manufacturers in their completely unjustified price hikes given the extremely low cost of goods. Expensive IEM offer no technological advantage over cheaper ones. The quality of a driver isn't improved by coating it in virgin's blood – quality has nothing to do with that. It's pure self-deception, fueled by marketing.

>>107755373
pretty long-winded for mostly agreeing with me. what do you say about boutique brands that have very limited releases (1 or 3 pos overall) that cost a pretty penny but actually sound like it?

Not a sound guy, just looking for the cheapest decent usb-c dac to drive my senny 569s from my phone. Is the jcally jm12 any good? It's on ali for 5 eurobucks and much cheaper than the jm6 from the sticky.

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Stop boosting the BASS!!!

>>107755418
>senny 569
>jcally jm12
yes

>>107755158
1 measurement. That gives a glimpse of the bigger picture beyond the FR. You don't have a single example. Only marketing and reviewer/chatgpt hallucinations.

>>107755452
>1 measurement.
you're finishing before you start. we've established it's not one singular measurement. you really are a broken record, and stuck. whew

>>107755471
>we've established it's not one singular measurement.
We've established it's 0 measurements because it doesn't exist. You had an opportunity to present any combination of measurements that would prove your point. You still have it, you just don't have any measurements.

>it's not a singular measurement but I won't tell you what it is
>I am very smart

>>107755480
you'll obsess over FR graphs, thinking it tells you everything. you beg for more. you get shown csd plots. not enough. distortion plots. not enough.
you see the path you're going down?

>>107755517
You get shown csd plots. You get shown distortion plots. You still don't understand how CSD is linked to FR. You didn't know about any of that shit before last year.

>>107755410
Firstly, it depends on how you define 'sound like it'. If it's a purely subjective decision based on your mood at a given moment, that's a far less reliable metric than objective data that humanity has long since learned to extract with maximum accuracy.

Secondly, mass manufacturers don't give smaller operations a chance to compete on price-to-performance. That's just how capitalism works. In the case of iem, a small, handicraft production with a high price per unit is simply uncompetitive. Smaller manufacturers typically have more variability in their quality control.

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>>107755517
>names a measurement that is literally just another way to look at FR
>why are you laughing at my measurement
And for distortion, feel free to prove you can hear sub 1% on the klippel website, and that higher distortion means higher techs(as most tech monsters have BAs).

niggas watch one youtube video and make "fr is everything" their entire personality

>>107755716
Nigga still discovering new(60 year old) measurements without checking whether they're audible(only 1 is).

>>107755729
???

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>>107755546
you're out of your depth. and arguing nothing really lol stay on track.
you can concede already.
>>107755666
>another way to look at FR
your dumbass thinks pic related is doing something. you can't eq physical driver behavior ;)

>>107755732
>you can't eq physical driver behavior
>you just can't, okay
>this picture is fake because it's... smooth

>>107755732
I accept your concession.

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>>107755732
Retard that doesn't EQ trying to tell people with rigs what you can or can't EQ. Fucking embarrassing.

>>107755744
it wasn't me that came up with it. it's the 'FR=everything' psychos. in something like REW, you would need IR data, not FR, to get CSD.

>>107755813
>with rigs
at max, that comprises an ali 711 clone coupler already outdated and chinkmaxxed. who cares? someone can buy a Porsche and still be a horrible ass driver.

>>107755865
You never opened REW in your entire life. Export FR from REW and open the file. You'll see phase. IR=FR.
>>107755885
Standards can't change math.

>>107755891
you mistake a derived graph for measuring a physical response. no serious audio engineers say the things you say

>>107756016
The derivation is identical to direct measurement. Almost like it wasn't made by retards like you or something.

>>107752177
I'm looking to upgrade from my WF-C500.
Budget ~150€.
Uses: Light exercise, rainproof, good sound and mic, charging case, acceptable autonomy.
Bonus if ANC but not a hard requirement.
I mainly listen to podcasts, ambient, electro and rock music.

>>107756130
Also not with a shit software but I guess that's asking for too much lol.

I've never had sex.

Kunten 2 when

Has anyone got the Tea Pro SEs? I have the original Tea Pro and Top Pros and want the opinions of someone who has tried all three if possible.

>>107755732
if you couldn’t EQ physical driver behavior then you couldn’t eq separate frequencies.

how to EQ in 3D space?

>>107756049
if derivation were identical to measurement, impulse responses wouldn’t be measured at all. the fact that they are is the entire point you’re missing.

>>107756188
absolute bait

>>107756207
We're both Indian.

>>107756150
my current gf is teen and im 33

>>107756162
kunten 2 will be decet but with 5 zenith drivers

>>107756198
you need a 5.1 mix

Is there an Android app that actually lets you turn the volume up? PowerAmp just rams it into a compressor when you turn up the gain.

>>107756216
learn how showers work before tackling audio

KZ PRZ will be KZ's planar flagship costing twice as much as the PRX. Source: dude trust me.

>>107756578
I won't buy it. Waiting for the PR2v4.

>>107756549
don't act like you're not Indian too. I'm from Mumbai, what about you?

>>107756578
will prz have 2 prx drivers in the same casing

>>107755744
I eq'd my 1DD to bone conduction

>>107756619
It will feature an ultra thin 16.3mm driver with a 80Khz extension seen nowhere else. GK will shortly after release this IEM for 5 bucks and name it GK Rontgen. Source: dude trust me.

>>107756605
im not

>>107756605
>>107756884
I'm from Bangladesh.

I'm... dilating.

Been rotating between the Q1 Pro and Noirblanc lately. Q1 Pro was easy to EQ to the bass quality I wanted, and the Noirblanc just looks and feels great.

>>107757558
disgusting i'd kill myself if i had to use that trash

>>107757618
Not trash, I like them.

Is there a good gaming IEM under $40?

Decent soundstage is a must

>>107757701
Tripowin Vivace

>>107757701
soundstage is more or less a meme, just get any half decent well tuned iem and they'll do the job

>>107756201
Nobody is measuring impulse response directly. It's always derived. You don't know anything.

>>107757701
Just EQ in more soundstage.

>>107753615
nice multidecakilo setup
i wish i had a storm

>>107752177
>get gifted airpods pro 3 for christmas
>actually sounds decent out of the box
>don't have to worry about insertion
>ANC so good I no longer need to turn up the volume outside
>apple QAAC turned out to be better than LDAC as a bt codec
I'm trying to figure out if I can find an EQ that would bring them closer to harman-ish targets (using "Piano" right now in AM) but this is already fucking great.

after writing about difficulties with tangzus staying in ears after i lay down, i lay down with my tangzus in my ears and didn't have to readjust them often. they're usable lying down. apple earpods aren't for me though

it's become abundantly clear to me that phones really limit volume. my old Sansa Clip+ is capable of being so loud that it hurts (I never crank it up to max volume). Whereas, my samsung phone is at max volume is nowhere near loud enough. I know it damages your ears, but sometimes I really want it loud.

>>107760011
Phones output like 0.2 V. Even the cheapest dongles will be substantially louder.

>>107760011
buy jm6 pro and enjoy hearing loss

>>107760011
>I know it damages your ears, but sometimes I really want it loud.
just don't do it dumbass

>>107760000

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>>107752177
Lending my Monarchs so will be listening to house music and some shoegaze. Also hope the campfire moon rover doesn't sell out on the resellers.

>>107760011
Apple dongle now. EU version.

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This thread is a veiled deaf supremacists community isn't it

rangeban the off-topic frogslop avatar

trash luna < good luna < best luna
prove me wrong (you can't)

>>107760249
This thread is full of magical thinking retards who make unsupported claims while denying the effectiveness of EQ, which has long solved pos market.

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>>107760366
Crinacle: 1
/iemg/: 0

doesn't eq btw >>107760518

>>107758553
you're dead wrong. impulse response is measured from the time domain response to a sweep.
FR is computed from that. calling it 'always derived' is actually backwards.

sometimes i wish my perceptual granularity was coarse enough to where i could eq a turd and endgame on it

>>107761066
Sweep is not IR. To measure IR directly you need to play and record Dirac impulse. IR is derived from a sweep because this method has better signal to noise ratio. The sweep is used for FR for the same reason, and it also produces THD. If you were then to compute IR from that FR it will be the same as computing IR from the sweep and IR measured directly. Because FR is Fourier transform of IR and IR is Fourier transform of FR. It's the same thing.

>>107752177
>year of the lord 2026
>mfs still believe in techs

Foxzo: 1
/hpg/: 1
Crinacle: 9001
/iemg/: 0
Guidezo: -10

Ouch.

>>107761237
you keep assuming this is under one thing, that pos are all minimum phase. you'd be incorrect all over again. the stimulus is not the measurement. when speakers play sound, it's not that FR waveform bouncing around to the sound, it's the sound itself. you have a weird way of looking at things

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/iemg/ doesn't even listen to music. No, sine sweeps are not music.

>>107761289
It works exactly the same for mixed phase because FR contains phase. IEMs and headphones are not speakers, they don't have room reflections. If they had reflections we would see them on IR. We don't see them.

>>107761286
crinacle's not your priest

>>107761131
start eqing by ear now before the /iemg/ drivel rots your brain out of being able to do it

>>107761334
/iemg/ lost. I realized Crinacle was right all along.

>>107761286
EQ won. /hpg/ lost.

doesn't eq btw >>107761335

>>107761314
We only listen to real music.
https://youtu.be/iVlEwOZ20XE

>>107761329
most online FR data is magnitude only and measured on aliexpress 711 clones. pos measurements almost never contain full, reliable phase information. clone 711 couplers are already outdated, still only being 'reliable' between a certain range of frequencies. you can't be taken seriously if you're going to flex owning one and thinking you still know what you're doing with it in 2026. it's cute

>>107761469
FR=IR no matter what you're measuring with.

>>107761469
nta but the issue with 711 couplers has never been phase reliability. in fact you could measure with anything else and the phase information will always be reliable, that's just a result of minimum phase systems
i have yet to measure a single iem that has notable minimum phase deviation

>>107761574
IEMs with real crossovers have excess group delay. But you don't even need measurements to calculate it. Just a picture of the crossover.

>>107761604
yeah that's the notable part, is the excess actually significant in any way? not that i've seen

>>107761574
yeah and crossovers introduce excess group delay by design. that’s why FR derivations of IR the same as stimulus-based IR

>>107761469
Phase is not audible, retard. You can check by toggling an all-pass filter in APO. In this case the magnitude response is definitely the same but the IR isn't. When you EQ two IEMs to the same target you don't actually have the same magnitude response. So if you hear a difference it's from the magnitude, not from the phase. Yes, even if you feel some IEM "cramps" the instruments or whatever. Just EQ those differences out >>107702618

/iemg/ just keeps losing. Despite Guidezo's best efforts, all he did was embarrass us.

>>107761656
Fortunately for crossover makers it literally doesn't matter.

>>107761950
it results in a shit tonne of crossover distortion if you ramp gain up I feel like (and yes this is within my enjoyable SPL ranges), I know nothing, I'm just genuinely asking why all my 1000$+ hybrids have more "micro distortion" than my 35$ single DD, is there any hybrid that has solved this crossover distortion issue?

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>>107761357
/hpg/ EQs. Imagine having lost to a dead general

>>107762019
Debunked by /hpg/ >>107750599

>>107761984
It's mostly due to BAs. They distort without any crossovers. But many 2DDs also have dogshit distortion so maybe there is something to it.

>>107761286
trvke

looking around and seems like the MEST mk-II is the peak tech pos (as in driver tech, not technicalities) i can get. should i do it? is there a 'cheap chink alternative' that would provide a similar experience?

>>107762583
how is it peak driver tech?

>>107762624
it's all actually tuned properly and not just slapped on to look good on marketing material

>>107762656
how is it tuned properly? sounded pretty mediocre, cantor or even andro do the same but way better

>>107762670
do you have one? how big is it? can you do a side by side pic with an EDC pro?

which is better for linoox
easyeffects or camilladsp?

>>107762683
nah i tested it a while back but it was very middling
like the definition of average joe, nothing stands out about it
not that big, fits decently well
i don't have an edc pro
>>107762689
camilladsp
t. don't even use linux

>Budget
$120
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
music, mostly when commuting or during work. environment is walking outside or in a semi noisy factory. source is android smartphone, can't decide yet if cheap DAP is worth it or to start with a DAC for my phone like EPZ TP35
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I prefer neutral, listen to variety of genres but mostly (alt)rock, pop and hip hop.
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
moondrop aria 2021 wired in ear, sound was alright but tips were hard and very uncomfortable, also didn't enjoy the over-ear cable but open to trying again

>>107762701
oh, so you used it for five minutes. gotcha.
i test drove a 911 once, it was amazing, so i bought one. thing fucking sucks to actually live with.

>>107762733
not for five minutes but yeah i never owned one for an extensive amount of time, never felt the need to continue listening to it
for reference they are selling for around $650 where i'm from, i think other "endgame" iems hold more value from what i've seen

>>107762702
We don't have IEMs or listen to music.

>>107762837
you tried.

>>107762583
>>107762656
>says techs aren't real
>immediately praises the FR for having good techs
zozzle

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my first DAP is arriving tomorrow. what am i in for?

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Miku

>>107762904
hiss

>>107762689
easyeffects or pipewire's built in peq

>>107761469
jumping to another cope already? the fuck is wrong with you? you literally lost an argument and now trying to somehow squeeze yourself out of this predicament with some irrelevant bullshit LOL
pathetic

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2026 banger after banger omggg what a start

>>107763475
he won and you're seething

>>107763117
How do you like it so far? I have an M300 and a Fiio m21 so I don't need another dap but it looks neat.

>>107763490
iemg can't afford that...

>>107763588
Price online says $400. I've seen multiple anons with iems that cost more than that.

>>107763596
none of those anons use kz, only poor third worlders do

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>>107763610
tfw anons are arguing and i'm just over happy with my y1 + edc pro

if i had 400 i'd rather buy yu9 que or something over kz

>>107763610
Oh, I'm still new to the hobby so I wasn't sure what you were getting at. The most expensive IEMs I have are the Top Pro so I figured a good amount of anons on iemg had spent more than that on a pair if they'd been in the hobby for a while.

>$400 for a kz pos with qdc
humiliation ritual

>>107763317
>pipewire's built in peq
It even supports the file format from squig.link. It's a good solution if you don't want to install an additional graphical application just for system-wide peq.

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>>107763697
kek, don't look at real qdc pos prices

>>107763678
even if they have the money they are more likely to spend it on 50 $10 pos because shitskins have no ability to delay gratification

>>107763649
That's because we don't listen to music on our IEMs. Engaging in drivel is what we do.

I have added a changelog to the EQ guide. It will cover changes to the guide as well as new paper dumps from AES.

>>107756150
What's your favorite Tanchjim product?

>>107764147
*nobody reads it*
impressive

>>107764340
you're essentially reading it through his posts as you post in this thread

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>>107763649
EDC Pro is endgame.

>>107764368
if that is the case the guide is even more worthless than i initially thought

Truthhear Gate of Moon drop Chu 2 which to get for my first iem?

>>107764475
bunny
if impossible, gate

>>107763490
That's a gamer IEM.

>>107764492
TANCHIJIM Bunny? Why is it better than the two others? Is there a difference between type c and 3.5mm?

>>107764475
EDC Pro

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Which of the two is better (or less worse)? Prices are in CAD.

I know that headsets are a meme and all, but I don't care that much for sound quality and I don't want to spend much on it since I'll use it mostly for calls and casual gaming. What I care the most for here is durability, mic quality, and comfort.
On one hand I'm interested in the Steelseries since it doesn't use that leather padding that I hate since those always end up falling apart sooner or later. On the other hand, I'm under the (maybe false) impression that the Razer has higher build and mic quality.

>>107764528
what makes it a gamer iem? does it yell nigger in your ear while you play call of duty?

>>107764580
Thanks but could you elaborate?

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>>107764849
No.

>>107764766
The stock EQ FR is tuned for counterstrike footsteps

>>107765332
they were trash then

>>107765576
Even if I would, you're not entitled to one. Grow up.

How the fuck do I bypass the volume cap on Android FFS. It's too quiet and it's driving me crazy. Quiet doesn't give me dopamine.

>>107765684
There's no volume cap, your phone is just shit. Get a dongle.

>>107765694
I have the Apple ding dong.

>>107765713
A different ding dong.

>>107765717
Ok. What would you recommend?

>>107765720
Cayin RU7.

>>107765684
>>107765720
you're better off with any dongle that has its own volume controls. other than that, you don't really need anything else.
get the dongle so you can set android volume to 100% for the cleanest signal, then have your dongle control overall volume. simple.

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For optimum techs look no further than RU7, PR2 and tube amp.

>>107766004
>optimum techs
gear does nothing if the audio sucks. bad mix on anything still=bad mix on expensive gear.

>>107766015
Same for good mixes. Gear doesn't mix.

>>107766029
>Same for good mixes
not exactly. good speakers implemented well enough can more accurately reproduce it if the mix itself is good+good gear. the best mixes can only sound so good on sub-par gear. we hear this when instruments are mushed together, entire imaging is shortened or narrowed. obvious things

>>107766058
Mental illness. Gear can't change the position of the instruments.

>>107766065
this is where techs come in. it can be in front of you or just the sides. this is height and width soundstage

>>107766086
No such thing. Take your meds.

>>107766065
you're getting angry and having a decent conversation at the same time, color me surprised. let's not get off track here..
nobody is saying speakers can change what's already baked into the audio mix. it's up to 1.a good audio mix played through 2.competent gear to 3.accurately replay it
choosing not to accept these simple things is a you problem.

>>107766100
>nobody is saying speakers can change what's already baked into the audio mix
>entire imaging is shortened or narrowed
Pick one and only one.

>>107766065
This is bad gear cope. The IEMs (or speakers and room acoustics) make way more difference than the player, and it makes no difference in studio tracks with LCR mixing where everything is panned all the way left, right, or dead center, so it's mostly noticeable in live recordings. But it's the difference between hearing each instrument as a separate sound source with a distinct position, and all of them blending into a wall of sound.

I think it's mostly down to how well matched the drivers are. If both channels have exactly the same FR, all sounds from an instrument will seem to come from one spot. If there's more variation, some of each instrument's sound will be more left or right than the rest, which makes the position sound fuzzier.

>>107766105
a speaker can portray sounds depending on how they're made and implemented. why do you keep ignoring that part?

>>107766065
deaf faggot detected. I REALLY hope this isn't guidezo but it probably is fml

>>107766172
Ignoring? I'm literally asking you how a speaker can change the position of an instrument. I can't believe I have to spell it out but distance(wide/narrow) is position.

>>107766189
Stop sniffing glue.

>>107766190
idk if you know how to even spell, but why are you needing a speaker to 'change positions of an instrument'? are you arguing with yourself (and losing) again?

>>107766233
Did you run out of chatgpt tokens? I'm saying that a speaker can't do it. You're saying that it can >>107766058
>entire imaging is shortened or narrowed
I don't need anything, I'm just curious about your diagnosis.

>>107766272
I have to accept your concession first and foremost. second, just admit you don't know how mixing audio works. I could give a shit less about EQ at the end of the day and nobody is missing out on not having a chink copy 711 coupler.

bros are iem obselete? I've been using them for years but recently used headphones and not having the occlusion, build up of pressure mogs any possibly better sounds or whatever. Maybe iems decent for short sessions, not as bad when you're moving around I think.

But if you're sitting or laying down they seem bad, maybe for health even with the pressure causing tenseness and other issues like irregular breathing

>>107766299
>sperging about EQ out of nowhere
>ignoring the question for the 4th time
What a mentally ill trannoid.

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>>107766065
You earned it.

>>107766314
I accept your concession again. or go ahead, start circling everything around FR for us, teach /iemg/ something

Even headpos users EQ now. Guidezo lost. /iemg/ lost. Crinacle won.

doesn't eq btw >>107766387

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His death rattle is "u don't eq". We won.

>>107766393
You know it works because you stopped shilling your garbage when we found out you don't EQ :)
Stopped pretending to use IEMs even.

>>107766380
>sperging about FR out of nowhere again
>ignoring the question for the 5th time
Makes 1 claim and folds instantly when questioned. Is this the power of reddit?

>>107766413
>personal attacks and offering 0% actual rebuttal
sounds like containment to me

I don't regret spending $200 on HD 700 and Stellaris one bit. This is what victory sounds like.
>inb4 replies with charts
I already know what it looks like thanks bro you showed me like a gazillion times.

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>>107766435
For those curious, this is what victory sounds like.

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EDC Pro won. /iemg/ lost.

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>>107766444
holy based trips

>>107766425
>"IEMs can make the mix narrower"
>how
>"They uhh... You EQ! Take that!"
People like you can only survive with constant moderation of any dissenting opinions. You've never had your dogma questioned in your entire life.

>soundstage in pos
>FR + (lack of) occlusion
>soundstage in speakas
>FR + directivity
that simple bros

need extremely short 3.5mm cable to plug into VR headset, anybody have pointers? can't find anything online even 1 meter or shorter.

>>107766484
projection 100% /iemg/ knows where the actual dogma comes from. and stop taking my words. I can't accept your concessions any harder

>>107766745
>/iemg/
>aka my 12 samefagging personas
nice try bucko

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>>107766444
Based.

>>107766754
everyone else is stupid to you when you can just switch genders and because professor of speakers all of a sudden

>>107766745
>stop quoting me
Or what? Not my fault quoting you is enough to show how retarded your worldview is. I literally don't need to add anything. Didn't answer how a speaker can move the instrument closer to you for the 10th time award.

>>107766784
become*

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>>107766493
FR of a person I disagree with = bad
FR of a person I agree with = EQ can fix it
Simple as.

>>107766784
sweet lord, you're an eslfag too

>>107766798
>person I disagree with
>person I agree with
ngmi

>>107766799
weed and trying to keep up with your angry ass.

>>107766808
That's all it comes down to here in /iemg/.

I'm from India. Hello everyone.

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>>107766798
/iemg/: dozen of EQs
/hpg/: 0 EQs

>>107766791
>Didn't answer how a speaker can move the instrument closer to you for the 10th time award
move the speaker closer to you retard

>>107766404
>>107766389
>>107766444
>>107766844
/hpg/ won. /iemg/ will keep repeating this like NPCs every thread, as they have for the past 6 threads. This is victory.

>>107766892
It's already inside my ear, how can it get any closer, retard.

>>107766892
no shit >>107766493

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/hpg/ utterly won.

>>107766895
>if you don't EQ you win
Victory for the audiologists for sure.

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>>107766907
/hpg/ EQs. This broken record general has no reason to exist any longer.

>>107766917
0 EQs posted in 6 months. Seethe.

>>107766895
>>107766906
>>107766917
deadly samefag combo, we're approaching dangerous levels of chuzo delusion

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/iemg/ Consumer Guide
$2 Dawn 1DD
$3 EDC Pro 1DD
$4 Rue 1DD
$4 Luki 1DD+1subwoofer
$5 Libra X 1DD
$5 Konoka 1DD+1BA+1subwoofer
$5 Kunten 1DD
$6 ED9 Pro 1DD
$7 Castor 2DD
$7 Krila 1DD+1BA
$8 Venus 1DD
$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD
$11 TRN Lucky Bag (5 iems)
$12 Waner 1DD
$12 Rosefinch 1DD
$12 GATe 1DD
$13 Chu II 1DD
$14 Bunny 1DD
$14 PR2 1planar
$15 Luna 1planar
$18 Decet 5DD
$20 LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA
$20 ST7 2DD+5BA
$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BA

>>107766798
TRVKE

>>107766926
Uses >>107766444 without EQ btw

Crazy how we thought he meant something else by EQ, like plugging it into a tube amp, but turned out he was just straight up lying lmao.

>>107766951
gotta give it to xhem, they're quite unpredictable

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This is the dying breath of /iemg/: "u don't EQ"
love to see it
>>107766951
>>107766940
>>107766919
>>107766907

his posting pattern is oddly similar to chuzo with how xhe just explodes and spams the thread every few hours
exhilarating to know that /iemg/ will exist as long as xhe's here

>>107766961
/iemg/ outlived your dead general and will probably outlive you personally. Listening to stellaris from an amp without EQ is some 90 year old ahh shit.

>>107766961
>dying breath of /iemg/
>responsible for 90% of its activity in the last 6 hours
>still no /hpg/
tsuntsunzo...

>>107766993
Even funnier. /iemg/ lost to a dead general and is still alive as a broken record.

>>107766978
/iemg/ has been repetitive drivel for as long as /hpg/ disbanded. It's perfect.

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Welcome to /iemg/. You don't EQ!

none of you are even measuring your own ear impedance and HRTFS. no access to the cool club if you're not showing your lovense/711 coupler

>>107767054
>he thinks measurements will spare him from having to use his ears
Just do the peaks/dips training, it's not hard.

>>107767061
I can tune anything to JM-1 by ear because I know everything

>>107767090
>tuning to average instead of personal
Ngmi

>>107767098
thought it was obvious I factored in HRTFS???

>>107767147
What do you think jm-1 is.

no way you guys think iems change how this works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02Y7vaVDNo

>>107767347
You don't get it man, you must use non-binaural boomer music with no spatial information, then you can properly hallucinate something being closer or further away.

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>>107762689
yabridge + Carla Rack + craveEQ if you want real minimum phase EQ and not the IIR shit from EasyEffects

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Are there any good budget wireless iems for gaming and also media? Needs to have a low latency dongle (not just bluetooth)

I'm too poor for the arctis gamebuds.

>>107767881
why do you have so many dogshit pos

>>107769079
eq is all you need, but I'll bite; what pos should I get?

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is pic related still happening?
it's the only IEM I'm waiting for

>>107769454
none because we don't have pos

>>107767881
show the phase difference in REW otherwise you're trippin

>>107769477
yeah, cringe's been teasing this in events, it's just a matter of time

>>107769975
cool, I need a metal shell basshead IEM for outdoor use