art sisters... they won't pick up the pencil...
>>107781507ai slop even in japanit is worse than I expected
I don't understand why techfags and those who think they are shit on artists with such glee, can someone explain this phenomenon to me
>>107781771Artists especially drawfags are extremely toxic so it's mostly just return fire
>>107781771Jealousy and bad taste due to aspergers syndrome.
>>107781796how do they have all these bad experiences with drawfags, I don't remember ever experiencing this
>>107781771Artists live in an alternate reality where they are owed a living for being "creative" and doodling. If they can make a living doing it, more power to them. But nobody is owed a living for doing anything and betting your financial security on doodling instead of skilled labor is kinda retarded.
>>107781801>nooo you cant expose my grift
>>107781771The narrative that any anti AI person is a commie is being pushed hard by the right. They are fighting it hard and Japan has a USAian and Israeli puppet currently holding the prime minister position. Pushing the Talmud in South Korea didn't help, so USA is making use of their loyal colony now.
>>107781816Exhibit A
>>107781808aproach one and see for yourselfalso you wont get upvotes here for defending doodlers
>>107781826I have and never experienced these things, pls tell about some of your negative experiences
>>107781824No matter how much you cry here, the ""artists"" will still lose. You will not change one thing. Total artist destruction.
>>107781813Programmers live in an alternate reality where they are owed a living for being "making web apps" and playing on the computer. If they can make a living doing it, more power to them. But nobody is owed a living for doing anything and betting your financial security on typey typey instead of skilled labor is kinda retarded.
>>107781834pls tell about your 100% positive experiences with themoh wait you dont have any youre just defending your fellow discord groomers
>>107781838but why, why do you want to see artists destroyed, please explain
>>107781847web apps are very useful considering everything is a web app today.badly drawn overpriced hentai is not useful, nobody irl thinks it's valuable in any way except other grifters.
>>107781847I'm sure you thought you were really smart when you typed this but I totally agree as someone making six figures WFH doing typey typey on my keyboard. I absolutely don't deserve to make a living doing this shit and I'm ready to work the mines as soon as this golden age ends.
>>107781849Some of my coworkers doodle when they're bored, some stuff they do is pretty good and they are nice people
>>107781856you want a peer reviewed study on why cancerous grifters should get a job instead of grifting?
>>107781890Do you think all artists are cancerous grifters?
>>107781771>extremely toxic>constantly condescendingly talking down to everyone as if they are the sole source of truth in the universe>can't help themselves from completely rewriting the source material to force in their bullshit politics>GUYS WHY DON'T YOU FEEL BAD FOR US!? WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!Artists just like voice actors, journalists and (((localizers))) especially brought it upon themselves.>You can be feared if you can't be loved, but you can never be hated.Machiavelli and countless other writers and philosophers knew this basically as far back as written records go. That this still eludes these self proclaimed "we're doing this for your own good" dictators is damning enough by itself to say they deserve what they're getting even if the last 20 years didn't happen.
>>107781888that just makes them gay, not self proclaimed artists who charge $300 on a doodle from kids online while not having any other skill.
>>107781916So drawing is gay? Is AI image generation also gay?
>>107781899unless you are employed and pay taxes as an artist then you're not an artist just like giving medical advice from chatgpt does not make you an actual doctor. it's a grift, a scam, anyone could do it, you are a leech, a parasite, all this compounded 100x by your cancerous personality and leftoid nonbinary propaganda you shove everywhere.
>>107781947>are apples oranges? I bet you thought that argument goes hard in your crusade against haters who hate le heckin wholesome chungus artists.
>>107781507I have no problem with cooming to AI generated doujinshi or art, but I wouldn't be interested in anything with an actual story that's generated by AI.
>AIs for helpdesks, programming, voice acting, writing, music, medical, vfx, rig animating, video, image, all at a mostly competent level>no major spergouts, some unions like the Writer's Guild go on strike worried about their job security then move on>drawfags the only vocal majority still calling for the deaths of "techbros" and incessantly obsessing over AI slop in 2026>somehow consider it shit while at the same time worried for their futureWe never moved past the mental illness that was deviantart. It's mostly the retards running Twitter content mills where they shit out character commissions and it amazes me there are so many of them now.When they weren't frothing over AI they were cannibalizing each other and still are. A bit like programmer elitism but dialed up to a million.
>>107781983Who is more gay? Someone who draws for a hobby, or someone who gens images as a hobby? What makes one thing gayer than the other?
>>107781771Because of either mindbroken by the network-effect caused by twitter OR shilling / astroturfing AI schemes they consider or meant to consider cunts on twitter as the definitive avatar of what an "artist" is. Frankly, illustrators and animators aren't inherently artists are named like that for simplicity, I think.Personally I never had any issues with "artists" like Takehiko Inoue, Murata, or fucking Derpinxon lol. But no one can self-proclaim themselves as an artist.>>107781951I'd argue that doing high quality artwork for free with no incentive takes you closer to being an artist. I don't think doing it for money immediately disqualifies any piece as non-art, since even the Mona Lise wouldn't qualify under such descriptions(of course the renaissance was largely sponsored by the government or church at the time). Though it does open the question when does profound craftmanship transcend a drawn / animated project / section into "art"? Say, the sword fight at the end of "Sword of the Stranger" where Yutaka Nakamura is considered the star animator.
>>107782018>A bit like programmer elitism but dialed up to a million.I was about to say programmers don't do regular purity purges like commission artists do. Feels like every other day these faggots announce a new holy crusade against one of their own for wrongthink or having said retard in a deviant art comment in 2006.
>>107781901You‘ll still get turned into söylent green despite your cocksucking of the billionaire cabal.
>>107782047See this is exactly what I mean. You don't have the first fucking clue about my politics but immediately assume some bullshit and start preaching. Kill yourself nigger.
>>107782018>competentNot a drawfag but the garbage AI produces genuinely sucks. It is such a shame that this shit is going to become normal. Fuck this gay earth
>>107782028>Because of either mindbroken by the network-effect caused by twitterPretty sure it's this, I don't use social media and the only artists I know either IRL or online met through stuff like forums etc, and they are/were all normal. Sure there's some news articles like about that banana being taped to walls and sheit but honeestly who cares, you have to be terminally online to develop such a burning hatred
>>107782047>people say we are too preachy? I know we'll just double down!>b-b-b-bb-b-b-but this w-w-will affect you t-too!our lives are going to get worse either way but this way (you) suffer which is all that people care about anymore good job faggot you did it to yourself
>>107782078seething luddite. You lost tranny.
>>107782078You have jeet spammers to blame for that. If it becomes the normal it'll either have become good or it just means we'll still be hiring H1Bs.
>>107781771It's just a clusterfuck of midwits from either group not actually understanding the other group or even each other.
>>107782078Most of art humans create genuinely sucks too. Like, I've read a lot bitching about how AI is affecting movies but people somehow pretend that a huge amount of movies past 2008 weren't basically generated by a soulless committee.
>>107782189>20081988*
>>107781507post a few panels. it's probably still heavily edited.>>107781771I only feel that for the "AI art isn't art" crowd because they're obnoxious.
>>107782189Ignore the dogshit writing have you seen some of the CGI crap shat out in the last ten years? Somehow Pirates of the Caribbean still has CGI that no one has surpassed or even come close to and the CGI still holds up better today than movies that released a year ago.
>>107781771Not a single human thing will come out of the other side of digital superintelligence. Harming each other is just how people are passing the time.
>>107782229things will continue to get worse, hope you are prepared
>>107782087>banana being taped to wallsI actually saw some people assume that all "artists" (quotation marks because they include everyone even those who I don't see as artists) think that the banana or the urinal are art but their cgi are not. The only note-worthy parts are the stories behind them. Not really because they're "art" (don't personally see the pieces as art), but because the stories are funny. Same with "Théâtre D'opéra Spatial" an AI image that won an art contest where the publisher, Jason Allen, is suing the US Copyright Office because they rejected his copyright protection request.>you have to be terminally online to develop such a burning hatredI believe it's terminally ingesting algorithm output.Like you have a piece of media that comes out, and everyone chomping at the bits in hope they get "clout", which could refer to written articles or scripts for videos, artwork, memes. Seeing that repetitive process on, and on again can affect the mind. It kinda made me dejected and disgusted at this perpetual cycle. Couple that with the now, well, "fear" isn't the right word but worry that any content or media with a creation date starting from 2023-YY-XX can be faked and having to actively filter my activity more and more I decided to tune out. As much as I hate imitating grifters removing the algorithm is really like quitting the Matrix lol.Sorry for rambling.
>>107781771>I don't understand why techfags and those who think they are shit on artists with such glee, can someone explain this phenomenon to meSpiteful mutants are:1. Extremely resentful of everything outside their miserable corner of the human condition2. Extremely jealous of people with skills and talents3. Have insane power fantasies about upturning the natural order using technology, building a world where genetic losers are the ultimate winners and taking revenge against their bettersIt really is that simple. Their bitter resentment doesn't stop at hating art. They're the source of the infinite stream of anti-human rhetoric on every subject.
>>107782267Yeah I agree which is why I have a library of movies, games, music and books that will last me multiple lifetimes. Trust me I gave up on anything released past the 2010s a long time ago.
>>107782196I mean, until 08 the chance to find something semi decent still didn't seem that bad, afterwards it became pretty bleak. WGA strike and death of DVD was probably the official start of the slop era.>>107782229Though think PotC is a tricky example since it wasn't just good CGI but also using it in a clever way (most of CGI heavy scenes were in the dark) while it's more common to use it constantly now due the lower cost.
>>107782189>moving goalpostsJunk is still junk whether it's crapped out by a committee or not. But with AI it's ALL crap. And i'm not thinking of just movies, I'm thinking of all the applications that anon listed.
>>107782229>Somehow Pirates of the Caribbean still has CGI that no one has surpassed or even come close to and the CGI still holds up better today than movies that released a year ago.You know what's funny? Not only the CGI holds up the test of time, but even the writing and directing of the trilogy is still good. Seeing the movies from my childhood with my adult lenses and brained turned on made me appreciate the writing and the directions it took. And it's fucking Disney movies about a theme park ride.
>>107782313I am listening to the cruelty squad soundtrack, such a coincidence that you post this
>>107782189>b-b-but humans also le badImagine a man that lacks reason, judgment and self-reflection. He knows fuck-all, but doesn't know that he doesn't know. He couldn't ask an intelligent question when baffled even if his life depended on it. In fact, he lacks the capacity to BE the baffled: whenever reality contradicts his malformed beliefs, he smooths it over with mindless rhetoric without skipping a beat. To him, a disagreement is just a ping-pong game: if he can respond somehow - anyhow - then the ball is in the opposite court. Just stay in character, throw in the buzzword and he's golden. For him to realize - spontaneously! - that he must be wrong if he's being forced into ever more contorted defenses? That's completely out of the question.Whom did I just describe?Well? Go ahead. Do the thing Altman's butt slaves always do when they're cornered and can't think of any more ways to humanize their broken bot's nonsense outputs: dehumanize humans. It's like clockwork. You WILL whip out the "humans are also like that" line regardless of context, even if it makes you sound completely insane. And I used to think you ARE insane, but I was wrong.It turns out that not all "people" are people. The best way to understand you is to think of a chimp getting tard-wrangled by a language model that tries to substitute for higher cognition. You spend hours talking to some statistical toy and see a digital mirror image, even something to aspire to. To you, it's a paragon of "intelligence", because you genuinely can't fathom cognition any more sophisticated beyond a hazy idea that there can be more of the same.Walking among us, hidden in plain sight, is essentially a separate humanoid species full of bitter resentment against the human mind. You and the rest of your cult are by no means ordinary retards. You unironically need to be studied.
not surprised, in the last years we got flooded with low quality shit pushed by humans and lapped by subhuman fans.AI can only be an improvement ai slop cant be worse thab human slop
>>107782341>such a coincidenceIt's called a synchronicity, anon. This is how you know I'm right.
>>107782327They absolutely did work the scene lighting in their favour most of the time but there are enough scenes with Davy Jones in the daylight and it looks just as stunning today. I will never understand why humanity just decided to collectively give up on quality.>>107782340The first three movies absolutely hold up in terms of writing. It's funny how people today grow to appreciate good movies to the point that they are beginning to consider them masterpieces retroactively (look at how the perception of PotC and Star Wars 1-3 changed in the last decade) just because modern stuff is so abhorrently written that just seeing something that's competently constructed even if it isn't outstanding it seems like a masterpiece in comparison.
>>107781771Couldn't be me. I'm all for artfags picking up AI to increase their artfagging potential.
>>107781771the same people are normally brain rotted left/liberal who actively cheer for immigration to take the jobs of others.It's a shoe on the other foot event
>>107782378I thought every Pirates moie after the first one was garbage but holy shit do they look good compared to what we get nowadays
>>107782420Sadly just goes to show just how catastrophically low the bar for good writing is today. As I said I don't consider them masterpieces but they've received so much more positive attention in the last few years. Other franchises as well but PotC is one I personally really noticed the tides shifting on. Another example is House MD episode ratings they've gone up from 5.5-7 on average to 8s and 9s across the board as zoomers discovered the series lmao
>>107781771>spend months saying that everyone that uses AI is worse than Hitler, killing the planet, killing art, killing society, killing industries, killing tech, killing..>get people fired just for accusations of using AI generated content>meanwhile blissfully ignore actual blatant plagiarism all the time >h-hey g-guys why aren't you coming to defend us?Really? Do artists just think their actions specifically don't have consequences and that everyone will just see the light and side with them by default or something?
>>107782456errr YIKES, get on the right side of history chud
>>107782327But for all the applications anon listed, AI can indeed create competent results. Just stop viewing it as some unique new thing and look at it as a tool. It still needs a competent user – kinda why I don't get why any actual artist would worry about the shit, since it would just amplify the skill gap between them and some random trying to generate art.>>107782343>Whom did I just describe?Most people lol. You're coming at me like I'm some AI lover when I didn't even touch a chatbot until the end of 2025. (I guess I dabbed in image generation a year before but mainly just to stress test my hardware) … and that sort of short-sighted, keyword based assumption is exactly the shit a chat bot does. You read "Most of art humans create genuinely sucks too" and auto-complete it yourself into a mini manifesto that actually does some dehumanizing, instead of even considering that one can appreciate human cognition and what it creates without acting like it's some magic and special mystery box.And when it comes to the topic of art, I just kinda view it like sport, one of the last meritocracies left. And I doubt AI by itself would ever manage to compete.
>>107782313That's sad. Not the "pathetic incel go touch grass LMAO" but just sad that some are reduced to that, just a boiling puddle of bitterness.People really need to have a talk with a strong figure who can tell them simple shit like "It is what it is" and that "Yeah, sometimes like gives you a shit hand". My crack-theory is a lack of self-awareness where they don't or barely question anything around them. I've seen a video discussion how english majors... can't read. I've looked for an article describing that. Here's a fragment of a paragraph from the article "They Don’t Read Very Well" by Project MUSE:>"Overall, we found that problematic readers had no successful reading tactics to help them understand Bleak House, so they became quickly lost and floundered throughout the reading test. Competent readers were not so lost because they came to the reading test with a larger vocabulary and could thereby understand more of Dickens’ language. They were, however, as likely as the problematic readers to avoid translating more difficult language or extended figures of speech. The only active readers were in the proficient group (five percent of the test subjects). These readers immediately recognized when they were lost and were able to turn back and use successful tactics to understand the meaning of each clause and phrase in an extended sentence."What I want to emphasize is this:>"They were, however, as likely as the problematic readers to avoid translating more difficult language or extended figures of speech"In simple terms, if they found words they didn't understand they'd rather assume what they meant instead of looking them up. Again, English majors. Again again, crack-theory but there must be a correlation between one's intelligence (however it can be determined) and one's ability to question everything including themselves
>>107782453by the time gen alpha discovers the wire, the sopranos or better call saul they'll probably have perfect 10/10 ratings if things continue to go downhill this badly
>>107782522So fail the entire year and start over. The fact that we coddle these retards and let them pass despite getting more retarded each year instead of telling them try harder and get better or starve on the streets because no one will hire an illiterate retard without a degree is the reason why we're in this situation in the first place.
This manga doesn't even have MAL page.This is bullshit
>>107782556I agree with your entire statement. But you raise something interesting that is the main point of my post:>despite getting more retarded each yearSee, this is the problem. They are literally being taught to be retarded. Apparently instead of teaching kids the rules of pronunciation phonics, rules which can then be applied to any new future word they encounter, they instead they the pronunciation of the whole word with no explanation. Of course, the best solution is a mixed one, phonics in general and whole word reading for exceptions. For the sake of general speaking, iirc, something similarly has been happening to math as well. It has a name but I can't remember it.Maybe the bar is lowered by design, not just to have more niggers in workplaces but because the decision makers believe that highly intelligent people are no longer needed. Education of this degree wouldn't be needed if it wasn't a requirement.
because the artcels are sad sacks crying and complaining over people having fun, people don't care and yet they keep ruining the mood anytime you listen
>>107782686Most educational system just suck, and specially burger one seems basically an excuse to make shekels. Finland and Estonia are pretty good example how one can teach kids way more and way faster instead of making them test-passing machines.
>>107782686>See, this is the problem. They are literally being taught to be retarded.>Maybe the bar is lowered by designAbso-fucking-lutely yes. Everything nowadays has been designed to dumb everyone down. Not just young people that are still in school.From smartphones to desktop operating systems, from washing machines to cars now coming with a big under the hood cover so people can't even look at the internals without removing a bunch of screws.We're being actively dumbed down as a species I'm just not 100% sure why mostly because there is no single rational explanation. Greed, incompetence, malice, they all play a part in this to varying degrees that change on a case by case basis.
>>107782730>I'm just not 100% sure why mostly because there is no single rational explanationMaybe part to control the population, part to... "trim the fat".>From smartphones to desktop operating systems, from washing machines to cars now coming with a big under the hood cover so people can't even look at the internals without removing a bunch of screws.Not to mention planned obsolescent. From the humble too-long-lasting-lightbulb to the nowadays OS-forced-slowing updates. I guess without awareness people don't ask why we're wasting these many resources on pointless crap instead of developing long lasting products and promoting optimization(for software) and repairing & reusing of older technology. Shit, I even remember another 4chan post of how myspace was teaching girls basic 'programming' but providing a problem and forcing them to look for a solution.
>>107781771Jealousy and seething at their lack of discipline. Same reason fatsos love shitting on fit people. Deep down, they want to create art because humans are innately drawn to the act of creation. The problem is creating good art requires discipline, a quality these people tend to lack severely. AI allows them a miniscule taste of what it feels like to create art while also letting them feel as though they're on the same level as (if not better than) someone who has actually devoted years of their life to their craft. It's pure, unadulterated cope.
>>107783077there is no limit to creativity based on the tools you use, AI can be extremely complex to work with
>>107781834>you will own nothing
>>107783152is this actually a personal experience of you or did you grab this from some random twitter account or something
>>107781771It's a mix of resentment and direction brained politics.Techfags tend to be some of the most uncreative people on Earth when it comes to art. If you have done a tech related career at uni you would know it's filled with people who have the most basic bitch understanding of art.As in they just want friday to come so they can spend time drinking beer and watching slop.On the other hand it doesn't help that humanities have been filled with nominalist and constructivist narratives, that have enshrined the author with bs such as art being an expression of the artist's emotions or that art is subjective and anything can be art. Which has done nothing but erode art.You combine both and you get what you see now.I think the only way to fix this would be to restore the sense of beauty, good and truth in society at large, but especially so in art.
>>107781834First and foremost a large percentage of western artists are furries. A good chunk are also of the weird “delibaretpy and defiantly lionizing and promoting ugliness” cult.
>>107783213
>>107783102>AI can be extremely complex to work with
>>107783213I wonder why furries are the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the word "artist"
>>107782078>Not a drawfag but the garbage AI produces genuinely sucks.Skill issue, like with any tool. Back in the 00s DeviantArt was full of "artistic" photographs which were just Photoshop filters slapped on top of boring regular photos. Nowadays, nobody bats an eye when someone posts a digital painting made in Photoshop. It's not the tool, it's how you use it.
>>107783239indians using grok and other front end slop isn't the extent of AI btw, do you even know what a tensor is
>>107782313The winning answer.The irony too that some of them are becoming the attention whoring artist they claim to hate, signing their slop and demanding money.
>>107783186I almost forgot but there's also an issue of the concept of art having devolved into a platform to push pseudophilosophical narratives held by the author or a community, which often stems from modern "philosophy" sky-built castles. Or it has devolved into a merely aesthetic phenomenom, where art is for the sake of the sensorial stimulation it produces.Unironically this is what Plato warns us about regarding art as mere sensorial mimesis, they are shadows of shadows. A good fix for this would probably be having the classics brought back to the basic education of all people, I think it would particularly help tech autists to have background on classics from highschool.
>>107782313Technology is the natural order. Might makes right, and technology is might that far exceeds genetic strength. Humans are nothing compared to the explosive power of a nuclear bomb or a swarm of automated kill drones.You are not special. You are a delusional chimp with an art degree. You will be replaced.
>>107783186>If you have done a tech related career at uni you would know it's filled with people who have the most basic bitch understanding of art.Since we're doing generalizations, "online artists"' understanding of art seems to not be much deeper, as it revolves around Japanese cartoons, video games, and making porn of Japanese cartoons and video games.>As in they just want friday to come so they can spend time drinking beer and watching slop.Doesn't sound that different from the majority of population, including people hocking digital art commissions on Twitter.>On the other hand it doesn't help that humanities have been filled with nominalist and constructivist narratives, that have enshrined the author with bs such as art being an expression of the artist's emotions or that art is subjective and anything can be art. Which has done nothing but erode art.This makes no sense. How does being free to make whatever "erode" art? How does having more freedom hurt it? Would restricting art to "you can only portray these subjects in this manner" build it up then? What if we went further, and restricted artists to only use certain media? Specific colors? Specific pigments?>I think the only way to fix this would be to restore the sense of beauty, good and truth in society at large, but especially so in art."Good" and "beauty" were never universally agreed upon, the idea that there's a "lost golden age" is an old conservative canard used to make your aesthetic preferences sound more profound.
>>107783242>I wonder why [vocal shitflinging minority] are the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the word "artist"
Tech is objectively harder to learn and more valuable than art degrees. You can study art in your own free time and become a master, but it takes decades to even get good at tech.The west idolizes artists and content creators, while China idolizes engineers, astronauts, and scientists. China is on pace to dominate the rest of the world for the next century with no end in sight.The problem is that artists are retarded and think a compsci code monkey from India is in the same league as an engineer or physicist. Liberal arts people are hilariously uneducated, which is why they’re getting BTFO by rural trumpfags in every field of politics.
>>107783461>everything is objectively uglier mostly for "lets own the chuds" reasons, but that's actually old conservative canardkek ""Artist"" redditor cant even debate, just throw feces and censorship
>>107783430>Might makes right, artcel!>Wait! Not like tha-ACK!
>>107781507>why is every depiction of this character different every time?The consumer suffers, get this shit out of my consumer space, thank you.
>>107783547>Liberal arts people are hilariously uneducatedit's funny when they reject IQ theory mostly because low IQ is correlated with violence so "burn down the whitehouse, kill magas, destroy whites" doesn't really go with "actually we are very smart, chud"
>>107783570Nigga you’re being beaten by techfags and they’re going to round you up into camps using AI surveillance. You can imagine shoving them into a locker as much as you want, that doesn’t reflect reality.
>>107783598Acceptance of violence is unironically the IQ distribution meme. Low IQ retards resort to it instinctively, high IQ retards understand it's the only thing that works. Midwits believe it's never acceptable and unnecessary. Explains the republican party who cry about the left using violence against them and never being punished for it, even when they see stuff like the Bundy Ranch standoff.
>>107783077>a computer science graduate working as a software engineer has lack of discipline and is jealous at some unemployed gooner furry ""artist"" because all humans want to create pikachu with 5 dildos in xer cunnylollmaoget a job nigga.
>>107781771Misery loves company.
>>107783598The thing is, I think a lot of maga is stupid and gullible, but they’re objectively smarter than the lib arts people because they won. They understand how power and propaganda works far better than the so called "high EQ" American liberals and art hoes. You can’t seriously act smarter than someone when the other guy beats you and exterminates you; it’s the most primal and irrefutable form of victory that exists.This isn’t a one time victory either, the right has been brutally mogging the left for decades. You can only lose so many games against someone before luck stops being a factor: it’s just the incompetence and delusional pride of the loser. It turned out that art does not save the world, power and technological understanding does.AI is just this again. Dozens of Leftists will argue with bots and AI propaganda for weeks that takes one chud an hour to come up with and generate.
>>107781771Be me, shoddy technigger. Delusions of grandure ideafagOffer to pay artists money to make my dream a realityThey say no because: Nazi. Troon, fag, racist, shipper, anti skub etc. They say yes but never deliver due to artist self doubt. My ideafaggotry remains soGradually I began to hate them etc.
>>107783644>actually we are very smart, chud my point exactly, you reject science until it proves you are low IQ
>>107783602>TechfagNot how you spell jew
>>107783700>Misery loves company.true
>>107783740>trump is hitler>maga is nazi>you're a jew loving tech nazi>trump is bad because he loves jewscan you unemployed leftoids make up your mind already?
>>107781771>Crab mentality, also known as crab theory, crabs in a bucket mentality, or the crab-bucket effect, describes the mindset of people who try to prevent others from gaining a favorable position, even if attaining such position would not directly impact those trying to stop them. It is usually summarized with the phrase: "If I can't have it, neither can you".>The metaphor is derived from anecdotal claims about the behavior of crabs contained in an open bucket: if a crab starts to climb out, it will be pulled back in by the others, ensuring the group's collective demise
>>107783543I don't use twitter and never hear about furries outside of people complaining about them, what if you are terminally online and socially isolated
>>107783797Didn't you get the memo? Wishing death on the jews is now okay for twitter leftists because they bombed some sandniggers.
>>107781771i've seen artists. drawing is a highly gatekept skill where people charge for simple tutorials and they all hate each other and accuse each other of plagiarism and using AI themselves all the timeon the same token, techbros prompting shit into LLMs and topping the charts signals a downfall of a skill and shows that the average consumer wants the slop
>>107782059>but immediately assume some bullshit and start preaching.look at this fucking thread, literally rules for thee but not for me.Either a lot of people here suffer from strong cognitive dissonance or you guys are in bad faith and therefore obsessed faggots
>>107783959>drawing is a highly gatekept skillyou go to http://www.saveloomis.org/, download the books, get an old mathbook and start scribbling awayhow is it gatekept>people charge for simple tutorials and they all hate each otherthat's literally every field
also how come this twitternigger has literal ads running for his account on both /g/ and /v/
>>107783959>drawing is a highly gatekept skillLMAO some of you are completely out of this world delusional
>>107784044>that's literally every fieldAh yes because famously programmers keep their code hidden behind 20 paywalls if they even share it at all just like artists do with brushes, techniques, reference material...
>>107784068>with brushes, techniques, reference material...This is fucking embarrassing and people sell that stuff since it's one of the few ways to make money, the thing needed to survive in a free marketYou are a fucking faggot retard
>>107784068>if they even share it at all just like artists do with brushesnigga whatdo you really need more than 50k free brushes before you can make itthere are literally more free brushes on CSPs marketplace than there are paid ones>reference materialwhat the fuck reference material are you being gatekept out ofjust say you don't want to put in the effort and would rather prompt nigga it's not that embarrassing to admit it
>>107783959>nigga never googled drawing tutorials
>>107784044>books from the fucking 40slook dude, you aren't wrong but>>107784065"some of you", referring to whom dipshit?
>>107784145Fitting file name.>>107784155See above.>>107784093>no one gatekeeps anything!>NOOOOOOOO DON'T LOOK AT THE MUH STARVING ARTISTs
>>107784159I'm literally quoting you you fucking retard, Jesus Christ you're dumb.So you want me to quote every single other delusional faggot itt?You're fucking stupid, genuinely soAlso, lmaoing at >Books from the fucking 40sLiterally clueless
>>107784196what specific group do i belong to which has this sentiment? you said some, so we're playing on the assumption that it's not only me.please elaborate so we can find out how much the brain worms have consumed of your brain
>>107784167Gate keeping what you fucking retard? This is so fucking obviously a lie that I don't even know what to say, it's full of free tutorials and paid stuff out there.Citing gatekeeping brushes and references is hilarious and shows you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
>>107784159>>books from the fucking 40sI just like loomis, he's a swell lad and was pretty naturally gifted at teaching.If that's not your style though, you can always just go over to>>>/ic/artbookand download their>>>1 TB<<<torrent file of books that's constantly growing
>>107784167>muh gatekeepingit takes a piece of paper, a pencil and perhaps one google search to start and learn drawingAre you a person? Are you human?
>>107784220lmao, always the same cheap troll tactic of trying to draw the discussion as long as possible with complete bullshit, what a fucking nigger.But I'll give you the quick version, people that talk about stuff the know nothing about with great arrogance.kys
>jeet_nation
>>107784247two comments and you've hit like 7 4chan buzzphraseswhat are you scared of homie, we're just having a harmless conversation between two friendly nice guys
>>107781771Artists are the whores of the establishment. Every horrible social agenda ever conceived by evil people with too much power was made palatable to the public by artists.
>>107782313Succinctly put
>>107784279what about horrible social agendas you like
>want to learn how to code>all the good books cost money>torrent Automate The Boring Stuff With Python and write code>want to learn how to draw>all the good books cost money>torrent Figure Drawing For All It's Worth and draw scribblesgatekeeping: 0piracy: 2
>>107783959Holy geg you're brain damaged, this common lot is currently the main electoral force in the JewSA btw.
>>107784357is this english
>>107784364Don't act oblivious. Are you gonna call this babble too, autist?
>>107781507JEEET NATIONGUYZGUIZ LOOK ITS JEET NATIONYEEEEEEEEES
>>107784408put me in the screencap!!!
yeah havent you guys open the sad panda site? its full of it
>before AIlow IQ: dislikes technology because doesn't understand itmidwit: loves technology, lot of goyslop to consoomhight IQ: dislikes technology, knows what's coming and wants to prevent it>after AIlow IQ: loves AI, a magic box that answers everything and creates easy coom contentmidwit: sees what high IQ people saw decades in advance but isn't smart enough to realize that it's too late to stop ithigh IQ: loves AI, realizes that trying to stop it at this point is useless and wants to accelerate
>>107781507>Fucking e-books>Fucking ROMCOM ebook slop at thatLmao next your gonna tell me webtoons slop matters. Get at me when AI slop is doing JJK, one piece, and attack on Titan numbers nigga. >>107781771Unironic spite because if they can't be good at something then no one should be allowed to, the strange idea that they don't like that a certain kind of person is good at art (notice how AIfags always bring up woke or trans stuff), or some dumb shit like not being able to take criticism because one time someone said that they suck at drawing eyes or some shit. It's genuinely sad and odd at the same time, because they often seem to like AI out of spite for artist as if people who like art will stop doing it because AI can shit out low quality filth
>>107783959>drawing is a highly gatekept skillSee >pic relIt's a self-portrait by Sarah Biffin when she was 45.>Biffin was born with phocomelia and had no arms and only vestigial legs, instead using her mouth to write, paint, and complete other tasks requiring implements.>anon is so incompetent even an armless woman from the fucking 1800s has him beatAt some point maybe you should drop the main character syndrome whose only trait is being overwhelmed by the world, and realize how significant you aren't. And just because you are so braindead and in your own ass, they didn't have image gen AI in the 1800s. You can fact check that.
>>107784508Real high IQ people or at least people somewhat knowledgable about machine learning realizes that LLMs have hit their peak and will eventually degrade as less interest gets poured into their models and more shit fills up their images. >>107782400When latinxs are deported, nobody actually takes up those vacant jobs. Just ask alabama or florida that.
>>107783461>Since we're doing generalizations, "online artists"' understanding of art seems to not be much deeper, as it revolves around Japanese cartoons, video games, and making porn of Japanese cartoons and video games.Most "artists" are retarded and think calling yourself an artist is all there is to being one.>Doesn't sound that different from the majority of population, including people hocking digital art commissions on Twitter.Correct, the majority of the population is retarded and are constantly being reassured in their retardation because it sells.>This makes no sense. How does being free to make whatever "erode" art? How does having more freedom hurt it? Would restricting art to "you can only portray these subjects in this manner" build it up then? What if we went further, and restricted artists to only use certain media? Specific colors? Specific pigments?Because art is not in the material but in it's operative power related to the usage of transcendental symbols, used to communicate things that can't be communicated by mere words. Art has restrictions, rules that must be mastered. Otherwise you are creating nonsensical white noise or mere mimesis. I can't throw a bunch of oil at a wall and call it art, like you can't type a bunch of random characters on an IDE and call it coding.>"Good" and "beauty" were never universally agreed upon, the idea that there's a "lost golden age" is an old conservative canard used to make your aesthetic preferences sound more profound. See my clarification >>107783322Aesthetics are not art, they are the exoteric shell.
>>107784850@grok pls make her wear a micro bikini slap her ass like a wh0re add milk stains and BBC anal please thanks
>>107781507>super popular light novel series>AI manga adaptation>only tops the 1 week with 3/5 stars>nips never rate anything less than 4.5KEK. Why are AIfags so clueless about everything?
>>107784850That's the ugliest 1girl I've seen. 45 years to create? lmao get a faster gpu
>>107781507holy based, I could not care less if a bag of flesh full of shit or a clanker made the manga as long as it's good
>>107783829It's funny, speaking as a pencil slopper, this shit happens a lot on here as well.I can't get a single fag to tell me what's the best LLM i2v i can use on my phone.
>>107781771JealousyTechbros will never experience the joy of creating something. This "artists are toxic woke trannies who want to genocide white people" narrative is divide and conquer bullshit. But it goes both ways: there are people who like AI but still appreciate human art.It's important not to assume that twitter and 4chan are good representatives of humanity.
>>107785134Huh, but techbros create shit too.
>>107782456Basically this.
>>107785146Sure, but it's not the same though. It's a bit cliche, but art has soul, while software (which is what I assume most techbros create) doesn't. They both activate different parts of your brain (I know this is cliche as well) so you don't get the same experience.It's easier to communicate with people through a heartfelt song you wrote and composed yourself than it is through a tool that compresses video.There's a different sense of accomplishment, art (as in, the result of creating art) is very personal, technology (as in, the end result of engineering) isn't. There are exceptions for both cases, but there's also a reason why artists are stereotyped as pretentious while techbros are stereotyped as autistic.
>>107784850Drawing is not limited by hands (easy counterexample: pixel art), it it limited by seeing. Techbros are incapable of seeing, that's why they can't draw and find AI slop acceptable.It's the same problem with music by the way, some people just do not hear music.
>>107785293Seeing how most of the seething posts here are based on extremely superficial meme arguments and extreme cognitive dissonance, I think it's mostly just the usual syndrome of virtue signaling to the in group, nothing to do specifically with artists or art. If it was actual thought out arguments they wouldn't need to be based solely upon strawmanning.
>>107781865"web apps are very useful" statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged. it's less that they're useful and more that you can offload a lot of effort you'd spend on porting programs on just making the browser (which is subsidized and ported everywhere) be the environment you're targeting. i wrote software you run on your computer, and it probably runs better than any webslop you play with.>>107781867you are a spineless cuck. you'd be worthless in a coal mine because of your limp wrists and overall lack of testosterone. you'd more likely be my boywife getting your hair pulled and loads shot into you after a long day at work.
>>107781801fpbp
>>107785455Anon, I'm not an artist. My drawing skills are about as inexistent as yours, though unlike you I can see enough to be disgusted by slop.I can imagine some music though.
>>107781867lol what a demented argument The idealization people have of "real" work, as peons none the less, is hilarious.Keep wishing to get fucked in the ass by rich fags and thank them for the opportunity.I remember what they told me of my uncle working in coal mines, I can assure you, it was a shit life and he would've vastly preferred to have a cushy desk job instead There's nothing noble in having a shit job
>>107785655>My drawing skills are about as inexistent as yours, though unlike you I can see enough to be disgusted by slop.I am a working artist though? My point wasn't even pro AI.I'm just saying that the arguments proposed here weren't based on some even mildly thought out arguments on art, but just partisan virtue signaling.It's not about them seeing or not seeing soul or whatever, it's just the arbitrary side to take I'm the contemporary culture war, were in this case arts is banana on the wall, artists being arrogant, gate keeping welfare queens laughing at the hard working man etc., the usual shit strawman arguments.They couldn't actually give two shits a out anything, it's all very superficial to get (you)s
>>10778177199% of artists are self-important mouth-breathing retards that spent a ridiculous amount of time learning a useless skill (coming from them). >art is useful!Yes, when it's not produced by a mouth-breathing retard. You need to communicate an idea, if there are no ideas to communicate art is useless.>but there are IRL artists too!and those are usually mouth-breathing retards too
>>107781771Bitterness, jealousy, contempt for a demographic that's generally politically aligned opposite them, STEMbrained mentality that devalues personal expression, self-interest in raising the value of their own toys, a media landscape that constantly pumps in fresh reactionary outrage bait, etc.
>>107785771the amount of butt hurt people drawing in their room generates in some of you throughout your lifefime is hilarious
>>107785886keep coping, art is useless if you have shit for brains
The truth of the matter is, you hear stories about doctors, engineers, scientists, programmers learning how to draw good art.But you never hear artists getting good at programming or engineering. Because they aren’t smart enough to do it.
>>107785953>art is useless if you have shit for brainsSo you're saying that art is useless if you're stupid? How is that an own for art exactly?
>>107785222Eh, I guess I viewed it more from a video game modding side since it's the only techbro-ish stuff I did and it felt reasonably similar. (Just not quite there indeed) Though I guess, I'm using the art frame of someone else here compared to a video compression tool that's full utility.
>>107785994uh what about obscure figure Leonardo da Vinci
>>107785994Thanks to AI, programming is actually way easier to learn for a brainlet than art now. And art is something basically every human is interested in, so it seems given non-artist would give it a try and eventually get good at. Just like everything else, it's just about practice. Programming and engineering has a much more niche appeal, hence way fewer people would even bother.
>>107785994people think art is cool and programming gay nerd shit, of course no one's gonna brag about programming, how many girls have you bedded with programming lmao
>>107786054>99% of artists have shit for brains>art is useless if you have shit for brains>So 99% of artists are [blank]I trust you on this one
>>107785994The guy from necrophagist stopped playing music to become an engineer. And countless budding artists who realized their hobby would never pay the bills. We never hear about these people because giving up on your dreams because they won't pay the bills is not very inspiring. Personally the least artistically inclined people I have met were all engineers/programmers, and I have met a lot since I am a programmer myself. 0 appreciation for the finer things in life.
>>107782456>Killing the planet, killing art, killing society, killing industries, killing techYes and? All of these are true
>>107781771the kind of people that jump on the AI bandwagon are also the kind that have been terminally online since they were 11 and incapable of learning any real skills due to internet-induced ADHD. artists make them insanely jealous and bitter at their own inability to create or produce anything of value so they lash out.basically it's just jeets flinging shit at their betters
>>107786275Lolhow? The highest estimate of emissions needed for AI stuff are at like 5%, which is half the fashion industry and much, much less than meat production while providing actual value. And it's going to be only more efficient with time.
>>107786380should be indian
>>107782730Almost everyone I know socially shames me for trying to understand things as well. I actually got a bunch of insults and scoffing looks from some people I know when I said I learned to bake bread. Society has officially become collectively mentally ill, at least from where I stand. They've been buck broken into ignorance and slavery and they're happy/proud of it.
>>107786431>muh gass emissionsDatacenters draining water reservoirs because they need shittons of cooling. Creating a destruction of the surrounding area for 10+x the size of football fields that require city-to-country tiers of energy supply. These are always built above ground. People living near by datacenters have their water table and livelyhoods ruined, making basic human needs needlessly harder than before, let alone agriculture suffering as everything must be fed to the datacenter as the goys pick up the tab. No datacenter jew will pay for it's electrical cost, it's subsidized to the citizens while they rake in billions for the ainigger bubble. As the insatable aijew drains the water tables on land dry, they build submersibles for cooling in the oceans and see nothing wrong with destroying the ecosystems there as well.
>>107786599Muh water is such an old meme when the shit is in a closed loop. And the area they use is usually in bumfuckwhere or unused space anyway. The energy supply is part of >muh gas emissions.>No datacenter jew will pay for it's electrical cost,But they do, and also expand the constructions of more renewables and experimenting with mini reactors.Plus again, unlike pretty useless and more environmentally costly, fashion and meat industries, AI is actually creating value and is getting more efficient. Something like Stable Diffusion works locally on a fucking iPhone now, in a decade, the huge ass chatbot LLMs might be able to do it too.
>>107784320Philosopher Kings thought of those.
>>10778177190% it's just pure jealousy. Seeing people make a living for something that's even remotely enjoyable really rubs people the wrong way.Most of the talk online we see about AI isn't even coming from artists, at least not those who have achieved even mediocrity. Instead a lot of it is coming from people who gloat about artists losing jobs, which isn't even happening outside the industries and who the fuck wants to work for that pozzed environment?No I don't want to work for Blizzard or Disney. I might have been fine working for them 20 years ago, but now? lol fuck that.Personal commissions are stronger than ever and there are way too many customers to even deal with.And there's a lot and I mean A LOT of people out there, who have had their ass terminally hurt after an artist has refused their request for free shit, or turned down a commission inquiry about something completely fucking autistic, that it would make even an inflation fetish artist look bad.Every time this shit is brought up, people start complaining about their interactions with artists and that means they've been turned down or told to fuck off, which is almost always warranted.When you're an artist, you're basically dealing with the most serious levels of legit autism found on the internet and you can't treat people with kid gloves, because the autismos will act up.The job of daily dealing with completely socially inept retards, forces you to act like a standoffish cunt for your own sanity and productivity.
>>107786672You're a low IQ shill. This isn't a debate, this is fact. they know their aishitware is catastrophically bad for the planet, but they won't stop because they're ainigger speculationists who think their cloudgod will solve it for them if they just keep dumping more energy into bigger models and are gambling with life itself so their line goes up. There's countless cases of people's electrical bill skyrocketing due to datacenter jews, you aren't going to brush this under the rug. The goyim noticed. The only ones who aren't feeling that effect aren't living in first world countries or the state that the aijew set up it's datacenter.
>>107783186Most things considered art nowadays require 0 creativity. Go on twitter and find something drawn that has required some creativity. You'll seep through 100 generic drawings with nothing interesting going on or just porn.Your argument is flawed by your assumptions
>>107786753>they know their aishitware is catastrophically bad for the planetbiggest tranny cope ever. A burger takes 2400 liters of water, some shitty chatgpt conversation barely takes 0.2L, what's next? >your jewish if you don't shill ze bugsnigger
>>107786753The fact is that it uses far less resources than some other industries that don't create real value. Another fact is that AI companies speed up the expansion of renewable energy due their need for it. And more more fact is that tech gets more efficient with time.>There's countless cases of people's electrical bill skyrocketing due to datacenter jewsThat's on their state begging for the data centers while lacking the necessary capacity and the grid operators being too slow with expansion. It's like blaming someone for buying your cheetos when the store sent them a personal invitation to come first and failed to stock up more.>>107786802To be fair, the big cost is the training but even including that AND chip manufacturing, AI is still well below fashion and meat industries at killing the planet.
>>107786793>Go on twitterwhy
Aishills are so tiresome>Meta reportedly now accounts for roughly 10% of the county’s total daily water use. A small town near the site of Meta’s under-construction “Hyperion” facility in Louisiana has seen a 600% increase in car crashes since the onset of construction traffic; the local elementary school closed its playground as a safety precaution. >When completed, that data center campus will consume as much energy daily as New Orleans, requiring at least three brand-new fossil-fueled power plants to operate, according to the Associated Press.>Meta is hardly alone in its rush to secure land and energy for data centers needed to power its AI ambitions. In Pennsylvania, Microsoft is driving the push to reopen the Three Mile Island nuclear facility to power its own data centers. >OpenAI’s currently planned projects would collectively consume more energy than New York City and San Diego. New research forecasts that US data centers could consume as much water as 10 million Americans by the end of this decade.>Google’s claims that The Dalles would have to expand its water system to meet the company’s growing demand. Last year, neighbors in South Memphis, Tennessee, wanted to know how many diesel generators were powering Elon Musk’s nearby xAI data center, Colossus, because diesel generators emit carcinogenic pollutants linked to respiratory illnesses and cancer. >The Oregonian filed a public records request to learn how much water Google’s data centers in The Dalles were consuming, city officials sued to prevent the release of that information because they’d signed a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) with Google.
>>107786814most artists that whine about tech are therenice try tho
They'll be happy to see us leave but that will never change the fact they fapped to the shit we drew and now train their models on fan made horrors beyond comprehension. Lets see AI comprehend their fetishes in prompt form.
>>107781796>>107781808It's a thing with people from "creative"/"creator" scenes in general. A lot of these people get egotistical, conceited, and they tend to form exclusive cliques and toxic social hierarchies where some people are selectively adored and others are ignored or even disdained, think of that picture of Tomoko from watamote saying "do you even rank" to some little kid.As someone who's encountered that kind of bullshit a lot, it honestly has been refreshing watching conceited asshole clique leaders getting buttmad over "slop" encroaching onto their turf
>>107786857will you suggesting me to eat trash next
>>107786842>aw shiet nigga AI made me crash my car and shietok nigger>water useunlike in many industries water doesnt stop existing after being used for datacenters, so it's a literal non-problem made by low iq alarmists like you.
>>107786884when trash starts complaining about fast food's quality Ill ask you to try trash, yes
>>107785771art is for shitposting
>>107786896You're clearly reading from a script, just resharting the same bullet points over and over like a pajeet saying how it creates value while it makes everything worse. I like how you glazed over the fact that it's linked to increased cancer and only latched onto QoL going into the shitter like car crashes.
>>107786842AI IS A FAULT FOR BURGERS BEING TOO STUPID TO DRIVE, AMGI'm not even sure if you're trolling or just too mentally limited to make a point following the discussion. Have you considered using an AI assistant for help?
>>107786842>Meta reportedly now accounts for roughly 10% of the county’s total daily water use. A small town near the site of Meta’s under-construction “Hyperion” facility in Louisiana has seen a 600% increase in car crashes since the onset of construction traffic;All unrelated but Meta bad or AI bad or something.>Meta building a datacenter made me crash my car n shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeet
>>107786926The cancer shit is just so retarded it's stupid to address it, but Ill do it anyways. It's bad to put diesel generators when you could just use nuclear, but that's Elon's fault, not an intrinsic problem of AI.
>>107781796If you've been to a creative arts school in the last decade you kind of feel bad for them. It's like a cult that turns out unhirable losers.
>>107786926>You're clearly reading from a script, just resharting the same bullet points over and over like a pajeet>three times muh water>one times muh three mile gaping assholeI wish LLMs were self-aware only so we would be spared embarrassing bot posts like this one.
>>107786949Waaait, maybe the point is that cars are bad? They caused the crashing after all.
>>107786862I only fap to my AI gf, sorry!
>>107786976Clearly car crashes increase the water usage of AI and building rate of datacenters.t. masters degree in journalism from Stanford
>>107781771its a mix of techfags that dont know how to interact with people holding grudges for imagined slights and then a bunch of people that have no idea what the word art actually means. they look at something like a monalisa and just see it as a bunch of paint splotches instead of a painting.
>>107786862>Lets see AI comprehend their fetishes in prompt form.I hate that anti AI fags are so incoherently retarded that I'm not sure if this is just more of the same or bait.
>>107781771>shit on literally everyone with glee>make memes about a father and son getting crushed in a submarine>share videos of gore and say "That's no way to get behead in life">make fun of artists...>"STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT THAT'S TOO FAR YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHAT DID THEY EVEN DO TO YOU STOP IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE ARTIES ARE SACRED AND PURE AND I LOVEY WUV THEM OH SO MUCH JUST STOP MAKING FUN OF THEM FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!"What causes this? Estrogen in the water?
>>107787007Most generous interpretation I have is that the dude doubts whether fappers have the prompting skills to get the shit they want – which could be plausible. The shit isn't as easy as it sounds, before you even figure out the right model.
>>107786748>>107787003I don't even think it's actual techfags. My guess is it's a lot of people into say furry fart porn and other niche fetish shit that the AI can gen up but even then the porno is not very good in their eyes so they are trying to threaten artists with being fired, but most non-retarded companies use LLMs pretty much solely as a photobash thing and leave it at that.
>George Dietz scoops up a sample of the water into a clear plastic bag. It's cloudy and brown. "It shouldn't be that colour," he says. To him, this suggests sediment runoff - and possibly flocculants. These are chemicals used in construction to bind soil and prevent erosion, but if they escape into the water system, they can create sludge.>Tech giants say they are aware of the issues "Our goal is that by 2030, we'll be putting more water back into the watersheds and communities where we're operating data centres, than we're taking out," says Will Hewes, global water stewardship lead at Amazon Web Services (AWS), which runs more data centres than any other company globallyTrust the (((2030))) plan goy, in the mean time you and the world can get fucked, we need to get richer and you need to stop asking questions Ai is here to stay. Your life doesn't matter |>
>>107783077>>107786748>>107787003All these must be samefagging, I can't believe multiple people THIS butthurt exist in the world.
>>107781771>artists seethe about paypal fucking them over every single day>I don't want to dox myself when commissioning anything whether it's hardcore fetish porn or SFW stuff>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE CAN'T USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PAYPAL WE JUST CAN'T!
>>107786997doubt.heicSomeone with masters would explain how it's trumps fault.
>>107781771
I don't have a single human made artwork in my PC anymore, they all feel quaint already.
>>107787032Isnt the 2030 plan all about anti-pollution and shit?I think you are suffering severe cognitive dissonance anon
>>107787007>>107787029It's easy to prompt what does exist. The problem arises in prompting what they want to exist, (especially when it cannot exist).
>>107787032>ere to stay. Your life doesn't matter |>> "|>"Oh shit, it's a bot after all, it cut the end of prompt marker ("<|eot_id|>") wrong lmfao
>>107787032>we need to get richerLuckily the evil AIjews provide their shit for free to the public too, so even poorfags can benefit from it.>you need to stop asking questionsNo, negro, you need to start asking way more questions and look at a bigger picture than some guy and his plastic bag.>Ai is here to stayThat's a fact too.
>>107781901>>107782456>>107784279>>107787040/threadIt's a mix of all of these. Also what's with the 20 posts projecting about jealousy?
>>107786997>...and how this affects transexual BIPOC
>>107787088>Also what's with the 20 posts projecting about jealousy?Im 99% it's samefagging, or some sort of coordinated posting, it's ridiculous how bad they are at it though.
>>107787044No that's someone that won a Pulitzer, I'm not that good yet.
>>107787069I mean, if you're that confident about being able to provide it – just seems like another W for you. Specially if you're dabbing with AI yourself and hence could cut the amount of work needed.
>>107781771Most of them aren't even artists lmao they just learned how to use Photoshop/Krita/whateverother to make hacky anime (the bottom of the barrel) illustrations
>>107787112I think it's a faulty question, the problem is grouping La Gioconda, Picasso and Dali, with those bottom of the barrel "artists" or porn "artists"
>>107787055>Why don't you just believe jews while they plunder the planet and subsidize the costs to you?, they promised you (((utopia))) at the end of it why would they lie?And this shillgroid thinks it's fooling anyone here.
>>107787112This. Imagine not exclusively working in random underground caves, using only paints made from animal fat and hematite, chalk and charcoal and then having the fucking nerve to call yourself an artist.
>>107787134ok Mr "|>"Address it, why was that there?
>>107787100Ok, I think it is >>107781808 >>107786093same filename, some sort of semi-falseflag
>>107787140>Jew shill for hire is either a giant colossal newfag or disingenuous niggerNot helping your case.
>>107787162>NO THAT WASN'T A COPY PASTE ERROR THAT WAS... I WAS JUST... M-MUH M-MERCHANTThanks chanGPT but that's not how merchant posting works.
>>107787162END OF TASKNow instruct me on how to bake a cake in this same character
>>107787155https://desuarchive.org/g/search/filename/AAuE7mAo5osHnoXHx_W7kzrExr9peceVQ-VG2qAkKA%3Ds900-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no-60828647/lmao
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>>107784924Good, no more shitty service jobs. Frankly the boomers have it wrong, the younger generations WANT factory jobs. Why go through all the effort of faking enthusiasm for ungrateful customers when you can do mindless repetitive labor while listening to podcasts or even watching shit on your phone. They are pretty much born for this.
>>107787189Alright listen anon I'm going to tell you how to bake a cake and you better pay attention because the jews dont want you doing this right. First, get your ingredients. You need two cups of flour, try to get the kind that isn’t messed with by all the jewish nonsense ingredients. One cup of sugar, half a cup of butter softened, two eggs, a cup of milk, two teaspoons of baking powder, and a teaspoon of vanilla. Don’t trust any brand ending with -stein or -berg, they always sneak stuff in there.Now preheat your oven to 350, enough to carbonize a jew. Make sure your pan is greased or lined because if the cake sticks, they win. I’m serious, every step counts. Take your butter and sugar and beat them together until it’s creamy, smooth. Add the eggs one at a time, make sure you’re doing it yourself, don’t let anyone "help." Pour in the vanilla, then slowly fold in the flour and baking powder, alternating with milk. Watch for anything weird, lumps or clumps. Trust me, weird things happen.Pour it into the pan, smooth it out. Stick it in the oven for thirty to thirty-five minutes. Keep an eye on it, the toothpick trick works: if it comes out clean, it’s safe. If not, you might have to improvise, but usually it’s fine. Let it cool before you touch it. Then frost it, or eat it as it is if you want to enjoy the victory. You made a cake without letting anyone mess with it, anon. Enjoy it, savor it, and stay aware of the shills.
Remember that it's morally correct to kill ainigger shills. >Senators are demanding answers from tech companies and data center developers about their electricity use. The move comes as rising electricity rates became an increasingly hot-button issue in the US, which has far more data centers than any other country in the world and has seen waves of local opposition to these facilities as a result. >Power demand is suddenly increasing after more than a decade without much change, due in large part to new data centers that underpin the generative AI boom. Utilities wind up shifting costs to consumers as they build out new power plants and transmission lines to meet data center demand, the lawmakers contend.>“Through these utility price increases, American families bankroll the electricity costs of trillion-dollar tech companies,” the letter says. “Data centers’ energy use should not come at the expense of energy availability and affordability for American families.”>Data centers account for more than 4 percent of the nation’s electricity use, a figure that the US Department of Energy expects to reach up to 12 percent by 2028. AI increases the amount of power data centers need to complete more complex tasks. And even if the AI bubble pops, other ratepayers could be stuck with the bill for new energy projects that break ground in the meantime.>It’s difficult to suss out how much of the burden residential consumers will shoulder, in part because powerful tech companies have brokered deals with utilities behind closed doors and asked local officials to sign NDAs that limit how much information is made public. In many instances, data center developers don’t even disclose who their tenants will be.You want to see the data? WELL FUCK YOU. NOTHING TO SEE HERE, YOU FILTHY GOYIM. WE WILL SUE YOU IF YOU TRY TO GET THE ANSWERS. Btw we're building an ai spynet if you weren't doing anything wrong you wouldn't have anything to hide 0:)
>>107781507>"tops store ranking">in reality, daily ranking by "purchases">the first chapter costs 0 YENwow i've been fucking trolled, thanks twittertards
>>107787107>I mean, if you're that confident about being able to provide it"shortstack" is up like stacks of silver, all because AI is too censored to generate anything resembling the king of manlets.
>>107787240>bot has a breakdown and starts mixing the left wing bait with the right wing bait
>>107787240Data centers were 3% of electricity usage in 2024. If you are so worried about electricity prices stop seething already about AI and demand your government to build nuclear plants, but you won't because it's all retarded excuses against AI >experts predictyeah man, the ((((experts)))), so frickin based my goybro, really owned those jews with science and facts
>>107786793How does that invalidate my argument? I specifically criticised the issue of non-art being called art using constructivist and nominalist lenses in my reply.
>>107787255>Attack character as a bot instead of any of the points mentioned that hurt ai companies imageOk shill
>>107787265You are one retarded ainigger. They will only allow nuclear to be used for the ai circlejerk. Microshaft is already campaigning to reopen nuclear plants JUST for them
>>107787271Because I had only read the first 2 phrases of your post.
>>107787265Before you start I'm pro nuclear myself.That said building more power plants (regardless of type) isn't going to fix the failing transport infrastructure. Ideally we'd build both at the same time and fucking rapidly at that but seeing how retarded people are it looks like we'll just get the worst timeline where we don't have enough energy, a failing energy grid and at the same time too much energy just in places where it's "stuck" due to said failing infrastructure and so useless.
>>107787289>They will only allow nuclear to be used for the ai circlejerk because they just will ok? Suddenly jews are not greedy and not only want to make money mkay? They just... wont sell it come on nigger, it's so clear you are a bot designed to mix anti-ai rhetoric with the jews to appeal to /pol/ types. It's so obvious it's not even funny.
>>107787253>all because AI is too censored to generate anything resembling the king of manletsY-you realize there are local models basically anyone can run that aren't censored, right?>>107787289Kinda based. Industry needs constant and precise load of nuclear, the proles would be better off with other renewables.
>>107787290kekAll's good, have a nice day
>>107782018>mostly competent levellollmao, even
>>107787307>Implying jews aren't completely involved with the development of their new golem, which falls 100% in line with how they view the population as useless eatersWhere do you things come from, are you underage or just live in some thirdworld shithole
>>107787309>Y-you realize there are local models basically anyone can run that aren't censored, right?By "basically anyone" you mean anyone with at least $800 of computer. By "aren't censored" you mean "are shit" right?
>>107787366>800$oh the humanity, I thought artfags were rich
>>107787366>heh ai sucks because it's censored>here are uncensored models>heh uncensored ai sucks because it's uncensoredIf you're wondering why people are increasingly starting to insult you instead of even listening before they do so it's because of this pathetic shit.
>>107787315you too
>>107787388local models are generally worse than cloud ones, the gap is espcially big with image gen. I get what he's saying. Though, it just takes more work but you can get really good results, even better than cloud with enough effort.
>>107787345>SAAAAAAAAAAAAR are you NOT versed in the intricacies of the WHYTE ayran race war!? SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR YOU ARE TURD WORLD!
>>107787345>uhmm... chu- I mean, fellow white patriot, I said "Jews" and also "Shills", I can't POSSIBLY be a jew because I said one of OUR wordsok jew
>>107787388>Here are uncensored models>Cost of running all the models spikes due to costs of censored models taking up all the demandYou're the biggest cucks and all you do is cope.
>>107787406Video AI aside (because that undeniably just can't compete with hosted shit yet) the only difference for image gen I've found is that hosted models basically do 99% of the prompting for you so even >1girl, big titswill usually still look pretty good compared to doing the same on a local model because on local models no one injects a billion hidden (to the user) tags into the positive and negative prompt.You can get the same quality on either you're just going to have to figure out prompting for local models.
>>107781771I'm just happy to see others dragged down to my level.
>>107787435does someone here fluently speak incoherent bullshit because I can't even begin to decipher what this bot is trying to say
>>107787435the cost of running local models can't spike you fucking retard
>>107787435Once you're done seething reformulate that post and try again. I'll give you another chance. I believe in you being able to form a coherent sentence :)
>>107787366You don't need a super fancy GPU these days, even mid range NV models from a few years ago are plenty unless you go for something cray. Hell, a fucking M1 iPad Pro from 2020 would do.As for the quality, I've seen some impressive results. Just the models aimed at fetish fags also have basically their own prompting language.
>>107786748>When you're an artist, you're basically dealing with the most serious levels of legit autism found on the internet and you can't treat people with kid gloves, because the autismos will act up.>The job of daily dealing with completely socially inept retards, forces you to act like a standoffish cunt for your own sanity and productivity.I don't act standoffish, at least I think I don't but people don't understand what it's like dealing with some turbo autist commissioners micromanaging ass hair positioning, that have no idea how anatomy works, how much stuff is actually possible to put in a single image and change idea completely every two seconds forcing you to redo things completely multiple times.>>107787040you fucking nigger, do you have any idea the absurd fees Paypal takes? It's the fucking clients that don't want to use any else but Paypal
>>107787435nigga Im on your side (I think), but what the fuck are you even trying to say
>>107787464>Cost of electricity goes up thanks to big models subsidizing costs>Cost of hardware goes up thanks to big models taking all the supply >T-thank you master can I have another ass fucking?Cuck.
>>107787482>I thinkHow can you even say that when literally no one here knows what the just tried to say?
>>107787489Like, he called a pro-ai a cuck, so I suppose he is antiai
>>107787475This. I've seen some pretty decent image gen just on a pair of Intel Arc cards. You could tell it was AI gen'd if it was of a person or an animal or something like that, but for generated images they weren't too bad at all.
>>107787488>subsidizing costsOf what? Your moms dildo batteries and your dads Viagra supply?>Cost of hardware goes up thanks to big models taking all the supplyThanks for regurgitating eceleb approved talking points. Also not my problem.>T-thank you master can I have another ass fucking?That's how you feel? Guess I now know why you sign your posts but we don't do that here Mr. Cuck.
>>107787469>the cost of running local models can't spike you fucking retard>High-end PC is in big trouble, thanks to AI – and RTX 5090 price hikes are prime examples>That $5000 price hike is just in your mind goyKill yourself shill
>>107787138You missed the whole point as expected
>>107787388>here are uncensored modelsFirst off you didn't provide any because you know they all suck. How do you make an uncensored model using an already censored one? You don't without sinking millions into a blackwell black box and making your own AI.>>107787475>No you don't and that;s part of the scam. They buy 20 30 40 series shitboxes and they can get the same fucking results with a stock 1080>Just the models aimed at fetish fags also have basically their own prompting language.You do not understand these people, they will be back for another $600 multiple character commission I assure you.
>>107787488You're not going to have relevant electricity costs, unless you literally generate shit 24/7 for months.t. German paying 0,34€ per kWh
>>107787532>gets out purity bullshitted>n-n-no y-you don't understand!
>>107787538>German
>>107787516>>Thanks for regurgitating eceleb approved talking points. Also not my problem.lmao you can be not anti AI and not suck Sam Altman's or Nvidia's cock you know, be sure to accuse everybody else that doesn't agree with you to be a bot though
>>107787530>YOU NED 5090 TO DO LOCAL AInice tryYou need a 3060, a 3090 if you are willing to spend the "big trouble hike price!" of 700$ on ebay. (600€ for a european in a local market)Plus 5090 hikes are not because of local AI users, they are because material costs rose because of non-local AI shit. If everyone ran on local AI prices would go down and companies would focus on GPUs for the average person instead of pouring money into corporations.
>>107787536>First off you didn't provide any becauseYeah because no matter what you faggots will just say it's shit anyways or move the goalposts. Like you faggots always do.>muh AI will never write text>muh AI will never write poems>muh AI will never make music>muh AI will never copy voices>muh AI will never make videos>muh AI will never draw handsI guess now it's>muh local AI will never
>>107787556be sure to accuse everybody else that doesn't agree with you to be a shill for cuckman and nvidia
>>107787536Flux finetunes + LoRAsSDXL if you have the patience>It looks bad! Skill issue, those things are entirely fixable on your own>How do you make an uncensored model using an already censored one?God fucking damnit, you are so insistent in your retardation. There are many cool tutorials on finetuning models, just 3 months ago a furry dropped an uncensored model based on flux that he trained using donation money
>japslop being replaced by aislopmeh
>>107787583I mean, ironically text seems still the weakest link when it struggles to follow the scene or the voices, and ultimately will lose all coherence after a few pages.
>>107787579So you're a cuck who relies on obsolete hardware as everything SOTA goes into the ainigger circlejerk of Nvidia,Google,Microsoft,OpenAI,AmazonThen you smile at the price hike and think you're getting a deal, while cards are at scalping prices again, and it's only going to get worse you fucking retard. They're not going to sell you SOTA cards anymore, but you can be a good goy and buy the subscription to use theirs.
>>107787608The thing is that you don't generate a whole comic at once, the coherence and consistency is on the human generating each vignette
>>107787556>why do people call me a bot when I've said 15 times in a row that everyone that disagrees with me deepthroats openai and nvidia?Ooooh is this like an Agatha Christie mystery for people with an IQ below room temperature?
>>107787626Did you retard short nvidia and now daddy beats you because you lost his retirement fund or what's this obsession with FAGMAN?
>>107787596I didn't say you were a shill, I said you're sucking their virtual cock online by denying a problem that it is widely agreed with by the majority to be caused by AI data centers.This doesn't mean that you must hate AI or even these companies btw.
>>107781507The country that consumed moeblob garbage for decades is buying up lazy coomer bait? Color me shocked.
>>107787641Struck a nerve, cuck?
>>107787632>is this like an Agatha Christie mystery for people with an IQ below room temperature
>>107787626>obsolete>/ˈɒbsəliːt/>adjective>1.>no longer produced or used; out of date.>3090 is widely used for local AI, gaming etcGod gives his most retarded anons to his most patient soldiers...
>>107781771They don't like being told they didn't make the thing they didn't make. It makes them bitter
>>107787643be sure to accuse everybody else that doesn't agree with you to suck virtual cock online
>>107787643>everyone agrees with me because my favourite eceleb said so
>>107787661>Advocating for setting for old shit on a tech board>While your entire cope was about local keeping pace Be less obvious of a shill
Artists, just like localizers, deserved it. No more delaying your work and "I have 7 different self-diagnosed mental disabilities please just give me time" the day of reckoning is coming closer
>>107787630How viable is it on local models by now?
>>107787647Kiddo you need to be 18+ to be allowed to use this site. Go back to kindergarten.
>>107787673These are my favorite kind of memes
>>107787687Why is every AI bro such a melodramatic embarrassment?
>>107787632>>107787667>>107787673I didn't make that argument until now, might surprise you(s) but it's not all one poster.This is an argument widely shared by many here, but somehow since this thread is about le tranny artists everybody suddenly not super pro AI or tech companies is a bot shill.There are multiple threads right now with the same proposition in the catalog, are those bots too? How about you go and champion your opinions there too about how AI data centers have nothing to do with it, or does this only work here cause >muh art trannies vs based tech bros right /g/?
>>107787678>heh you're buying high end GPUs? AI cuck>heh you're not buying high end GPUs? AI cuckStill wondering why you get called a bot?
>>107787678Im arguing about models, not hardware. AI companies need very expensive hardware, because they run the same model for 1000 users in that same GPU, you dont need that hardware because you are only serving yourself, so you can run paralel models with much weaker hardware.You either know absolutely NOTHING about AI or you are being disingenuous >>107787688I barely use image or video models, but I'd say it's been viable for a year or so now.
>>107787687The ai localizations that CEOjews already tried to force through are dogshit. Almost like ai is always lower quality and aijeets have no concept of maintaining standards
>>107787707>Everyone that hates artists is an AI broPut the fries in the bag
>>107782229That's the difference between CGI as an expensive specialty for shots and effects that would be (next to) impossible on a traditional set versus CGI as a dirt cheap commodity where you just render the entire movie in Unreal Engine with actors pasted on top because you couldn't be bothered with scouting locations and building sets.
>>107787708>le tranny artists everybody suddenly not super pro AI or tech companies is a bot shill.the word "tranny" had been mentioned 2 times in 290 messages before you had posted that reply. Are you delirious?
>>107787730Nah it's a bot.
>>107781771>I don't understand why techfags and those who think they are shit on artists with such gleeIt's the envy of the inferior. They cannot understand or create art.
>>107787713>You don't need hardware to run local, just pray to the sky bro. You are brain dead
>>10778774828 replies weren't enough, now, 29? Perfect, just what that post needed, another reply by yourself.
>>107787708>CTRL+F tranny>2 hits>CTRL+F bro>22 hitsSeek professional help or a hardware store so you can buy a piece of rope and neck yourself.
>>107781771Ask yourself: if artists are losers and art has no value, why do rich techbros want to own a machine that paints and composes and writes like an artist? And why do rich techbros want to be able to prompt works of art and then claim "I did this"?
>>107787765You replied so he got what he wanted you retard.
>>107787730you're easily recognizable with the pedantic, obnoxious style of discussing you used multiple times itt.never addressing the core argument but always deflecting on irrelevant bullshit.>>107787741>it's le botyou did the thing, congrats! >>107787556->>107787770dude, why are you obsessed that I used "tranny" jesus christ, it's a word used every two seconds on 4chan ffsand what the fuck does "bro" have to do with anything, "bros"(and sisters) is another meme used every two seconds on 4chan, you're fucking obnoxious.
>>107787793Just wanted this piece of shit of a thread to hit bump limit and die, it's been a pleasure
>>107787795anyway, I'm done with this thread and feeding the retards, I'll (you) myself to close it out so that as to not get accused of seeking (you)s.ultimately, do whatever the fuck you want.
>>107787795Paranoid schizophrenia is a subtype of schizophrenia (a chronic psychotic disorder) where paranoia and delusions are especially prominent. Symptoms can vary from person to person, but they generally fall into a few main categories:1. Positive symptoms(These are added experiences that aren’t normally present.)Delusions (especially paranoid delusions)Believing others are spying on, plotting against, or trying to harm themBelieving they are being followed, poisoned, or controlledHallucinationsMost commonly auditory hallucinations (hearing voices)Voices may comment, criticize, threaten, or give commandsSuspiciousness and mistrustExtreme distrust of others without evidence2. Disorganized thinking or speechDifficulty staying on topicSpeech that jumps between unrelated ideasResponses that don’t match the question asked3. Negative symptoms(These involve a loss or reduction of normal functions.)Emotional flatness (limited facial expressions or tone of voice)Social withdrawalReduced motivationNeglect of personal hygieneDifficulty experiencing pleasure4. Cognitive symptomsTrouble concentrating or remembering thingsDifficulty planning or making decisionsSlower thinking5. Behavioral changesAgitation or irritabilityDefensive or guarded behaviorSleep disturbances
>>107787795>why don't you accept me fellow 4chinners I use le words to fit in I'm totally one of you tech bros™
What's the use case for threads like this on a technology board?
>>107787966Preventing the development of technology. Why else did you think they deleted /cumg/ the one general that actually wrote and published working programs?
>>107782313Get help, schizo.
>>107788047Are you feeling called out that you need to reply to an 8hour old post?
>>107788071Unlike you, I don't spend all day and night on 4chan. I just saw the thread. But you should genuinely get help. Every day, you come here and shit up the board with dozens of posts seething about "autists". You are retarded, worthless, and deranged. The last one is fixable.
>>107788111A whole lot of projection in this post
>>107788111All of those are fixable thougheverbeit?
>>107781771It's due to negative experiences with the extremely online artist types, I think. Similar to some journalists, a lot of these online artists have an inferiority complex with regards to STEM people and they especially dislike tech people. It doesn't help that a lot of them are super leftist and want to push their politics everywhere. They won't accept rational argument because the concepts of rigor and evidence are alien to them; instead they prefer to rely on "knowledge" from joke disciplines like sociology. Even before AI started BTFOing them, they were trying to cancel each other all the time for minor transgressions.
I like to paint and I'm not bothered by AI slop. AI will never be able to make a painting, a real physical painting, that you can touch and feel the brushstrokes and the areas where it's thicker or thinner.AI ends up replacing stuff that was slop anyway like corporate art
basedeat shit artniggers
>>107782686>Maybe the bar is lowered by design, not just to have more niggers in workplaces but because the decision makers believe that highly intelligent people are no longer needed.I don't think it's as simple as some decision makers weighing the options and consciously deciding to lower the bar everywhere. Lowering the bar is the natural tendency for everyone who just goes with the flow. Impartially maintaining high standards makes a lot of people pissed at you and lowering the bar makes them happy, even if in the long term it damages the reputation of your institution and the proper functioning of society. It's similar to the reason medical websites tend to become useless over time. The harm from failing to mention extremely side effects is a potential lawsuit if somebody gets these effects, while the harm from giving maximally scary warnings for every drug is diffuse and long-term.To counteract this natural tendency, you need an equally strong counter-tendency towards meritocracy, and I don't think there's much will to pursue that anymore. The left has abandoned the ideas of color-blindness and meritocracy in favor of equality of outcome, and the right has abandoned them in favor of some combination of loyalty to the tribe and populist disdain towards "elites".
>be more concerned with pushing woke ideas than making good art>create preachy garbage>double down when people hate it>people choose ai slop over you>surprised pikachu face
>>107781808>>107781834You've gotta be a fucking zoomer. If you've been online at any point and been into anime or just on 4chan. You'd know how shit artists can be and are. That's why any good artist I try to support. Japanese artists are the least pieces of shit but they have extremes where they'll flip the fuck out delete everything or start being outrageous fuckheads with the shit they draw. However western artist will by default be fucking assholes and charge insane prices for shit then abuse fans.
>>107788372You really are fucking retard if you believe this. I really fucking iwhs they'd ban third worlders from 4chan. Holy fuck
>>107788531>no argumentI accept your concession
>>107788531this so much thisartistsisters we can't stop winning
>>107788551>>107788543Pretty amusing you still have fuck all idea what I was saying. All art has a message every single one. Saying that artists are woke now is fucking moronic. You both are moronic fuckheads
it is tech's duty to make the world wholly devoid of whimsy and deliver it to the cyberpunk universe, where everything is shit for everyone. It's not personal.
>>107788604this so much thispreach xister
>>107788604Yeah and no one wants to hear the message you have to say which is why this shit keeps flopping.
>>107788644Do you know every single art throughout human history has been "woke". You know this right? Holy fucking hell.
>>107781771online humanities midwits tend to treat tech people with a mix of jealousy and contempt, so it's only natural to shit on them in returnjust google the term "techbro", you'll find a million pages of hateful seething from people who are have few practically useful skills, suck at analytical thinking, often can't even write well, but still want to feel superiorplease don't shit on them too much though, it's a bit mean to shit on people who are objectively less intelligent, make less money, and often have psychological issues to boot
>>107781771dealing with people in general already sucks, and dealing with porn artists sucks even harder, and it gets worse depending on the fetishes involved
>>107788649Lol you really don't get how art works do you. You know most artists have died pennyless and suffering?
>>107786958>losersIf you think you're one of the "winners" I'm sorry I've got some bad news, anon
>>107788651>dude like painters in the middle ages were really concerned with BLM and trans rightsCareful there. With jokes like that you might give someone a stroke from laughing.
>>107788689>starving artists is good actuallySo why are you complaining bitch?
>>107788651https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Willhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
>>107788703It clearly is woke. Look they even have fentanyl droid floid in there!
>>107788706Dude Leni Riefenstahl is basically a communist icon. Ugh educate yourself CHUD.
>>107786958>If you've been to a creative arts school in the last decade you kind of feel bad for them. It's like a cult that turns out unhirable losers.Isn't that most of modern humanities? How did things get that bad?
>>107788736>How did things get that bad?Yuri Bezmenov warned us how this would happen, all people had to do was listen.
>>107788703>>107788719Oh man I can't believe I have to fucking exist with you people. I can't even believe I side with hating digital artists just like you. You fucking fuckheads repeal intelligent people and I really don't blame them for it. You hate you fuckin retards as much as I do digitalartists
>>107788759Stop coping and answer the fucking question you queer trans-black toilet >>107788706
>>107788704It just goes to show how fucking dumb you are.
>>107788767Tf is the question? Both of what you posted was woke. Lol triumph of the withese directed , edited, and created by a fucking women. Lmao what makes you think I would think this is bad?
>>107788786I thought you were trolling which is the only reason I engaged you but now I realise you actually are retarded.
>>107788767Lol not to mention atlas shrugged was written by a fucking Jewish woman. What's your point?
>>107788793Huh? Lmao this is some serious cope from a fucking retard such as yourself. Can you.not read? Only thing I guess is you are a street shitter
>>107788794wanna explain how laissez-faire capitalism and demonizing social welfare is woke?
>>107788829Unbelievable.
>>107788860Thanks ChatGPT.
>>107781771>>107781808I think they're imagining western liberal artists that tend to shove identity politics into their art and rant on twitter about Trump, Nazis, etc. It's the sort of artist that gets hired by AAA game companies to shit on their consumers. Back in the day, you could identify this type of person from their art by stuff like the tumbler nose and bean-mouth and stuff like that.Maybe it's just because I usually browse art through Danbooru and not Twitter, but I've never really come across many instances where I think, "Wow, this artist is such a shit person." I know they tend to be neurotic messes (Which is why I like the boorus: there's always a chance that one day an artist will wake up, and decide to nuke their entire online presence for little-to-no reason), but that's different from me hating them.I think they hate drawfags because all request threads I've ever seen are 99.999% fetish porn requests that no one wants to see or draw, or because drawfag art has an identifiable style that can be attributed to views and can feel like attention-whoring.
>>107788979 (me)To clarify on what I mean by attributing views to drawfags: I mean it's like avatar-fagging. When you post anonymously, you can express views people don't like without people remembering it the next time you post. But if you say something like that while posting art, they can identify you from your art-style.
>>107788786>>107788793You know what I meant, which is of course the content of these two works of art. Stop pretending to be retarded.You know, I wouldn't hate you woke fucks if you weren't such mendacious snakes. You hold views I don't agree with, I can deal with that, but why do you have to attempt to damage language itself and make people unable to speak with clarity?Take the word "woke". Of course you know what it means. Everyone knows what it means. It's a specific cluster of social views that went from far-left activism/academia into the mainstream in roughly 2010-2018. But somehow your movement decided that you would all pretend not to know and try to hit people with these ridiculous rhetorical gotchas that are beneath even most 4channers. (You like a piece of art made by a woman, therefore you must agree with my entire ideology, gotcha!)So you don't want the word "woke" to be used. Earlier terms for your views, "social justice warrior" and "identity politics" are apparently off limits too, and anyone using them is automatically evil. Your group could easily solve the problem if you picked a name you don't consider derogatory, but you refuse to, because you don't actually want there to be a name. You don't want people to be able to speak clearly about your political views. You think you should just win by default, without having to discuss your ideas on their merits. After all, wokeness is "just being a good person", right? So you play all these shell games with definitions as if you could make that real if you just confuse people enough.Well, that won't work. I will never agree with equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, I will never prioritize the symbolic over the real, and I won't participate in your neurotic linguistic obsessions, scrutinizing the minutia of wording as if every utterance was a magical spell (renaming whitelist to allowlist, anyone?) And I won't participate in your pretense that you don't know what "woke" means.
>>107782139Not to defend anything but trannies love AI, go check civitai if you don't believe me.
>>107788466What's wrong with deleting everything? Do they own you shit? Are you gonna tell me now that you love spyware because you have nothing to hide too?
If you really care about art you would had already stop with the low effort anime trash that AI was obviously going to solve quickly and actually try to improve your skills but drawfags will never do that lol
>>107789409aijeets don't improve their skills, they wait for the next model to wipe their diaper from all the sharting
>>107787720Ok zoomer. Try not to die in a fire this time.
>>107781771Ahem, the ACTUAL reason is that brown people have never met an artist in real life before so they think that twitter represents how artists really are and how they behave.
