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>News & RumorsMemory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027New DLSS presets using DLSS 4.5, M and L (specifically for ultra-performance). Performance hit consistently significant on Turing and Ampere GPUs, potential for issues on ada and low end blackwell6x and dynamic framegen coming in the springG-Sync PulsarARC B390>PSU Reviewshttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplieshttps://www.lttlabs.com/https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-suppliesFor tier-list enjoyers:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/>Storage Reviewshttps://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSDhttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews>Monitor Hunterhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/>Other helpful LinksMobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PCGerman autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/Say No To Bullying ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwatnrbwEnQ [Embed]
any updates on the dlss schizo? did he get any new hardware recently? is he still on a 12gb 4070 and am4(not even x3d)?
Report all flamewarring, trolling, spamming posts. Long live /pcbg/!
>>107810648Who? I thought we only have the 9070 XT schizo who posts anti-DLSS crap.
>>107810648>still onnothing wrong with either of those. dlss has it's use cases, IDC much about it.
>>107810652holy...why do computer parts attract so many schizos?>>107810656ah im sorry i didnt mean to talk shit about his specs
I hate how I have a huge mess to clean up every time I build a new PC, when I just want to start gaming
>>107810380I think where you might have failed is to not put something to support the backside. Since its sitting in a case instead of a bare table I'm assuming the motherboard just bent and gave way to the weight of the peanut butter. If there was something to push up the backside then it probably would have had been minimally viable cooling.
Why is the 9060xt so weak? Even the 5060 beats it out in most gaymes :/
>>107810693it's not, and it doesn't.Both cards trade blows. One's more expensive and does raytracing slightly better. That's it.
>>107810648he either left or changed his posting style. probably the latter at least hes not forcing his hardware constantly anymore unlike that one retard
>>107810702>One's more expensive and does raytracing slightly betterthis is technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.
>>107810702gamer’s nexus and Linus have tested both cards, and the 5060 noticeably beats out the 9060xt :/https://youtu.be/j6yHMCTb-YA?si=KsoTFkmVva0oaFhHhttps://youtu.be/O9u3UPkqp_0?si=BzgTPPb6Rei41POJRadeon continues to underperform …
I just bought a used i9-10850 for $218 after shipping and tax to replace a i3-10105T in my NAS and im not sure how I feel about it
>>107810724what do you expect to gain from this retarded hardware update?
>>107810717NTA, but you're saying a $450 card beats a $350 card? WTF!!
>>107810724Why did your NAS need a new CPU?
>>107810648>>107810652DLSS is just his current phase, he will always shill for the thing he owns(back when he owned amd when pascal was the current gen he shilled for amd of course) DLSS schizo likes to call other people poor while he was always on old hardware. DLSS schizo is incredibly insecure which is why he has been projecting here for years to reassure himself his pc and hardware is good. He's also super fucking retarded and bought a 4k monitor which was worth more than his whole setup, this purchase was so retarded that he sold the monitor and left this place in shame.
>>107810717negro i'm far too lazy to click your bullshit spammy click-count-bait vidya links. post recent validatable screens to back up your shitposting.
I have a question for the multi monitor people.How does having two monitors work when playing games?Most modern games run in a borderless window, so does the cursor move off the game monitor onto the second one?
>>107810730ridicule >>107810739I probably didn't but [spoiler]stash scans taking too long[/spoiler]
>>107810733>an 8gb beats out a 16gb card>this is okay according to AMDjeets:/
>>107810733no one is arguing that the cheaper card is often considered the value proposition or not. a card for every budget and build is the /pcbg/ way.
>>107810750cursor stays locked on the game until you alt+tab to your porn on the second monitor
>>107810752post the specs of the two CPUs side by side here retardupgradeanon, and those of your NASty little shota stash machine.
>>107810648dlss schizo ended up being a truth nuker you can stay above 60 fps in CP77 with pathtracing and decent visuals using ultra performance dlss on a 1440p or run 4k ultra with RT psycho and still get 60 fps using ultra performance with that setup
what the hell is this, algorithm?
>>107810767>until you alt+tab to youruse cases like monitoring your GPU as it fries from expert overclocking make the 2nd display worth it.
>>107810746>He's also super fucking retarded and bought a 4k monitor which was worth more than his whole setupKek what did he buy? Even my current 4k OLED is less then my GPU.
>>107810796>hands What is it with south east asians and their little anime girl pfps? and you just know they’re in their 40’sbut on topic, was the xeon a good processor? I’ve seen a lot of old people in tech forums praise and speak fondly of it
>>107810773I just won the bid it wont be here until next week
Do you update motherboard BIOS or just leave it alone?
>>107810824I have never updated it in my life which probably isn't a good thing
>>107810824I would probably update it but for the longest time the general consensus was don't update it unless you are having issues but now there may be security implications if you don't update
>want to put my PC on the ground for more desk space>hate crawling under the table whenever I want to plug/unplug something
>>107810824AM5 boards had some BIOS updates that improved XMP/EXPO stability.If you own an AM5 board and your 6000MT/s XMP/EXPO is working fine (with Vsoc under 1.3V), it's not critical to update.Intel Raptor Lake (+Refresh) and Arrow Lake systems should update to the latest stable BIOS at the very least.
>>107810824normally update brand new board as part of the build process. then when new BIOS comes out read all release notes in it to understand if flashing is needed
>>107810792What exactly is Psycho again? Isn't it an old name for PT? Because I don't remember seeing it in my options menu.
>>107810880The AM5 BIOS recommendation is assuming you don't own an ASRock board; they recommend that you update to the latest stable ASRock BIOS version.
>>107810871buy a hub>>107810798amongst other things yea. personally got rid of my extra panels at home in favor of a single 27” though, left the multi-monitor setup at work
>>107810884>to understand if flashing is neededhow do you determine this?
>>107810632>>News & RumorsIntel will be delivering warm shader cacheshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydfKE1dffo&t=710s
>>107810903you become an amateur computer technician or IDK ask an AI, no one is going to spoon-feed your trolling
is this legit?
>>107810746i have it on good authority that he still owns and enjoys the 4k oled
>>107810889its just ultra RT but with an extra bounce, one step down from full PT
will they ever make GPUs again?
>>107810925>jeet gives advice>ask him how he does it>REEE YOU'RE TROLLINGlol ok
>>107810938No and I regret not buying one when I had the chance.Rest in peace evga
Is this the best value 4k monitor currently on the market? Not interested in OLEDs.
>>107810958Do you need to buy one right now? if you want an IPS panel and you arealdy paying $300+ you may as well get a pulsar
>>107810915OP here but it's not my OP, a shameless copypasta. since i don't have an intel CPU or GPU plz tell how this affects gains in performance?
>>107810648>>107810709>>107810746>>107810934This was the last obvious sighting of the DLSS guy.https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105924942/#105930043https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105924942/#105930476
>>107810951not gonna spoon feed the newbs, anon, (you) feel free to provide them with support.
>>107810971who.cares
>>107810958>Is this the best value 4k monitor currently on the market? Not interested in OLEDs.We can go EVEN MORE VALUE-er:https://www.amazon.com/CRUA-3840x2160-Adjustable-Vertical-1-4-Black/dp/B0FNWZYGRNAll these 4K@160Hz IPS monitors share the same panels anyway, no need to pay a premium for a Brand-name badge on the front of the bezel.
>>107810976>saaar ask the AI saar>I don't actually know what I'm talking about saaar
>>107810967Less stutter, no CPU overhead, no missing assets ideally. But I have to wonder whether the warm shader caches will actually be complete in games that have just in time compilation or have incomplete precompilation steps. The number of possible shader combinations can be immense and it can be hard to find all of them even if the game is manually played through to generate the cache
>>107810999>built-in speakersnot a good sign of quality monitor desu
>>107810903The board manufacturers include a short description of the updates.I'd update the BIOS if it mentions stability/performance improvements or enhanced memory compatibility.
>>107810624What is this part of the PC and how is it displaying an image/video of a zen sand garden?
>>107811035Nobody is forcing anyone to use them. It's still $100 cheaper than >>107810958 for the same specs (unless you plan to use the Dual Mode and IIRC no panel with that feature right now uses integer scaling to accomplish it for some retarded reason so the result is blurry). If it were me I'd give a try, and it after setting it up if there are quality issues just return it.
>>107811058It looks like a Tryx panorama AIO CPU cooler, maybe a new model.https://www.tryxzone.com/panoramaseries
>>107811035>buy 32" 4k>shitty built-in speakers>use DAC instead>do something simple like replug GPU or USB cable>windows switches to shitty built-in speakers every.fukken.time by defaultand thats how i learned to disable that shit.
>>107811067 Beat me to ithttps://www.amazon.com/TRYX-SE-360-ARGB-Customizable/dp/B0DQTZFS74Been out for awhile and are still freaking expensive, but nobody buying this cares about value and function, it's all for the Ricing.
>>107811027welp *if* i turn out to be the OP i'll need other anons to chime in and show some before-and-after benchmarks published, don't wanna post something that has not properly bathed in the rancid swirling cesspool that is /pcbg/>what say you, unwashed masses? is this >>107810915 of worthy note?
>>107810963No I'm not in a rush, fine with waiting a few months.Can they just patch Pulsar in or will I have to buy a monitor with Pulsar support?>>107810999This monitor has over 1 ms response time because if it were 1ms or less it would be mentioned in the description.Meanwhile, Monitors Unboxed rated the Gigabyte M27UP as an A tier monitor and the best value 4k monitor.
>>107811079They used the best Asetek pump available at the time (8th gen), but it doesn't justify the premium.Noctua's new AIO will be using Asetek's 9th-gen pump design.https://www.asetek.com/press-releases/asetek-unveils-ingrid-a-new-liquid-cooling-platform-delivering-silent-performance-customization-and-scalable-innovation/https://www.noctua.at/en/news/noctua-at-computex-2025
>>107811100It doesn't need to be added to News, just some relevant news tidbit for this thread
>>107811103Pulsar is hardware. not software.
>>107811105>They used the best Asetek pump available at the time (8th gen), but it doesn't justify the premium.>Noctua's new AIO will be using Asetek's 9th-gen pump design.I wonder how long Asetek has been sitting on a new pump design to release the second their original patents finally ran out?
>>107811100You can put whatever you want in any section of the OP, as long as they're not trolling or flame-war bait.It doesn't even have to be an all-brand-inclusive OP.
>>107811103>This monitor has over 1 ms response time because if it were 1ms or less it would be mentioned in the description.Monitor OEM-advertised pixel response ratings are always given in g2g under who knows what stimuli level range and never consistent or anywhere close to 1ms IRL (only OLEDs can do that) so even if they did mention such, it wouldn't really mean much. However, there are only a handful of source panels on the market that can do 4K@160Hz or better on such a higher-end backplane and they all have to be sufficiently Fast-IPS to be mostly compliant at such a refresh rate.All that said, here's an alternative for $30 more that does specify it:https://www.amazon.com/3840x2160-Computer-Response-G274K-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0DYN2S1KN
>>107811168Thanks anon, this is dentinetly a better deal than the Gigabyte monitor then. I'm probably goiong to wait for a 4k 160hz+ monitor with Pulsar support to come out though.>>107811126In that case, I guess I'll wait. Pulsar seems worth waiting for and my current 1440p 144hz IPS monitor still works great after 6 years.
>>107811202You're not going to find cheap Pulsar monitors for a very long time, especially 4K ones.The 4K IPS monitors with Pulsar will almost certainly have 1080p dual mode, which will increase the cost
Is using DLDSR to 5K2K on a 34' 3440*1440 the only way to get a good (albeit artificial) PPI and high visual clarity on ultrawides? Every 5k2k out there is a huge ass monster and I really don't want that size and diluted PPI, 34' is perfect for me.
>>107811219Seems like my options are a 1440p 360hz Pulsar IPS display or a 4k 160hz non-pulsar IPS display then. I'll probably go with the latter.
>>107811067>>107811079 thanks for the info, never saw that before
>fable rendering lead engineer test cooperative vectors>mlp shaders are 70x faster to compute than regular compute shader on nvidia gpus>he was using fp16 if neural rendering is actually real is so over for aymd
>>107811227If you don't need a monitor right fucking now, there are some reasonably sized 2160p OLED ultrawides coming out soon. They'll be expensive
>>107811313As in rendering the base image using AI rather than traditional methods?
you just know some anon will buy this, i hope they do and post here. looks fun.
>>107811365with this thing, the 14900ks will fly
>>107811313my little pony shaders are that good huh
>>107811365That number is exactly the same as the super sekrit Lightning 5090 BIOS that's also going to consume up to 2500w. Probably not a coincidence.
>>107811387>Lightning 5090 BIOSdamn, gonna need two fire extinguishers on hand for that one"The card is powered by dual 16-pin 12V-2x6 power connectors, each giving the maximum of 600 W."https://www.techpowerup.com/344738/msi-geforce-rtx-5090-lighting-z-hands-on-40-phase-vrm-and-2-500-w-xoc-bios
>>107811313I'm also excited about neural shaders. AMD will need to have a shitty knockoff for consoles if they're going to see widespread use over the next generation, otherwise they'll be gameworks esque until Radeon and probably Arc can implement them. Both Radeon (finally, after all these years) and Arc (always) have tensor core block equivalents, WMMA and XMX respectively. It'll be interesting to see how if at all model quality comes into play. Could we see a situation where all three vendors have a different model powering a silk cloth neural shader, and thus differing (possibly subjective) levels of quality? Or will it be a situation where the big engines like Unreal have their own models and it's simply a race to see who can infer most fluidly? Or a mixture of middleware and IHV models? Only time will tell. Nvidia definitely has a massive lead in scaling and training, but frontier models might not be that much of an advantage in the long run.
My 5070ti arrives tomorrow. If I get a box of rocks I'm gonna be so pissed.
>>107811372my 360 aio keeps my 14900k under 75c with 253 power limitcooling is a solved problem
>>107811424I would very much like to see a game where certain textures are just going to be randomized somewhat due to being "imagined". Would be very helpful for visuals on the realism end of the scale, making more surfaces subtly different and thus convincing. Has to remember what each individual surface looks like though.
>>107811357No is just using hardware acceleration and matrix x matrix multiplication instead of vector x vector and traditional compute, both are doing the same (math and calculating shit) neural rendering jsut use more efficient math that is used for AI shit (it was also used before AI was a thing you can look into BLAS to find what tensor cores were used for before AI was even a thing, right now nvidia GPU's have dedicated tensor cores so half the die is meant for AI shit and remain unused in gayming, this shit is supposed to use that compute for gayming
>>107811449>tensor cores>remain unused in gaymingfalse, tensor is used for DLSS
>>107811464only at the end see https://youtu.be/ZHKayVNqosE?si=n3jvK20BdrevJeJE&t=315
>>107811440>253Wyour basically blueballing your chip, no wonder its cooling is solved
>>107810624The jack stands for huge GPUs are an easy solution but should I be worried about these two tiny screws holding up a Noctuna NH-D15 because this seems way worse.
>>107811475yeah i lose like 4% performance on a 32 threaded avx load and maintain 5.7/4.4 with no issues on everything else it's over
>>107811474your claim that tensor cores are not used for gayming is complete bullshit. i don't need to click a spammy link to know that.
do you take into account a companies ethics (or at least, your perception of them) when making your purchasing decisions?
>>107811486>spammy linkis literally the nvidia game dev youtube channel reuploading an official presentation from siggraph, lmao
>>107811487none of them are ethical, and if they pretend to it's to jerk shareholders off.
>>107811487no.
>>107811490DLSS uses the tensor cores.
>>107811444>I would very much like to see a game where certain textures are just going to be randomized somewhat due to being "imagined". Would be very helpful for visuals on the realism end of the scale, making more surfaces subtly different and thus convincing. Has to remember what each individual surface looks like though.Nice trips. I want the same tech for the exact opposite execution. A game where all the model set pieces and textures are randomly AI generated and rendered like a cross between LSD: Dream Emulator & Second Life.
>>107811500Not during the render process,i accept your concession so keep coping and seething tech illiterate retard
>>107811501thats just ... weird
>>107811487dum squid
>>107811487>do you take into account a companies ethics (or at least, your perception of them) when making your purchasing decisions?>>107811492>none of them are ethical, and if they pretend to it's to jerk shareholders off.
>>107811513your blanket statement was incorrect. the tensor cores are indeed used for gayming if using DLSS, anon. trying to backtrack on your statement only proves you are a fool.
>>107811524thats pure cope, they are not used at all to during gayming to render, Pic related is RDNA4 btw they have no dedicated WMA accelerators, they are literally that slow while using all the die unlike nvidia gpus
Whats the best size for a vertical monitor?
>>107811533>half the die is meant for AI shit and remain unused in gaymingthe statement is false, anon. DLSS uses the tensor cores and it's special purpose is gayming. trying to say "durr i was talking abooot the rendoor phase" does not undo that. go and lick your butthurt somewhere else.
>>107811544I use a 32" 4k myself
>>107811449>>107811559
>>107811544This thing in portrait mode
>>107811487Easy, if they support israel and zionism I buy from them, simple as
>>107811592fuck off to /pol/ with that shit
>>107811592This but india and hinduismYes, I only buy amd
>be (not) me>buy 9070 XT instead of 5070 Ti to save on ~$100>sometimes replicably faster than the latter in certain games>AMD will come out with FSR4.5 eventually>celebrations>Nvidia announces next day that their universal neural shading implementation is ready to go, just tick the box during development (and other stuff)>5050 runs 10x more fps while at native than a 9070 XT>AMD's not ready for another yearIn this hypothetical imaginary scenario, all I can say to AMDfriends is: heh.
>>107810650
Bros, am I a retard for paying $1300 on 128GB of corsair dominator titanium 6000 CL30 ram? I wanted to make sure to have enough to last me through this dumbass AI bubble period...
Why do people fall for this "GPU support bracket" meme?
>>107811613why would you let people who bought a worse cars than yours live rent free in your he->5050bro??/ surely u didnt..
>>107811613>not ready for another yearamd is the underdog, of course. they are smaller, less capital, fewer troons developing drivers, all of that. so they have for a long time now been forced to compete in the mid and low tiers.
>>107811628>am I a retardyes is the default answer. the question is are you using it or are you holding it to play the retail market?
>>107811628If you need it you need it, but it's important to be sure your use case really needs it. I spent 600 bucks on 48 gigs.
>>107811652you can never have enough RAM if you do any kind of serious compooting, no swapfile use evar with 128gb
>cheapest 5070ti is 329 AUD more expensive than the 9070XT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lNW6U1KRjcjanuary 21st, new drivers, will have an ai bundle that installs the stuff that is needed for AI, rocm, pytorch, etc, basically if you are on the old rocm drivers from november you can finally update to fsr redstone
>>107811673>329 AUDthat buys a lot of wallaby anus keychains, anon. buy what fits your budget and have fun.
>>107811681wait, so pytoch will finally just work out of the box on windows?
>>107811691it already works on the rocm drivers from november, but now they'll finally work with the mainline drivers
>>107811681hey thats good news for the linux troons, anon.
kek does anyone who built their own pc use localized AI for stuff other than generating shotacon images?
>>107811713generating lolihags too.
I'm on a tight budgetShould I settle for a 27 inch IPS for $250 or save up for 27 inch OLED $500?I think the only OLED I can get is QD OLED. Is that decent?
>>107811713Videos too
>>10781174227 oled, qd oled is the best.
>>107811742use case? OLEDs are beautiful to behold but are still evolving rapidly and burn-in is real. IPS have matured, there are decent monitors, but not as nice for OLED as far as gayming and image-intensive stuff. $250 is a big price jump tho
Is this the thread to ask about joysticks or is it more of a /v/ thing despite the average user of that board being even poorer and browner than here?
>>107811779did you also ask to get permission from your tardwrangler first?
>>107811742>Should I settle for a 27 inch IPS for $250 or save up for 27 inch OLED $500?You don't have to save up $500+ unless you want 4K. https://www.amazon.com/AOC-Q27GAZD-Monitor-Compatible-Zero-Bright-Dot/dp/B0FTS1KC43^$360 gets you in the door now.>I think the only OLED I can get is QD OLED. Is that decent?QD-OLED is better than WOLED in terms of viewing angles, panel uniformity, and color volume.
>>107811786I wasn't calling you poor and brown, but given your response are you feeling personally insulted by my useage of those terms in a disparaging manner?
>>107811797Kinda hard to see the point of IPS with OLEDs like that
>>107811810no you fuckwit, just ask the question instead of wasting precious electrons with your plaintive bleating. idgaf about anything but the tech.
>>107811779Just ask faggot. Although theres not much to discuss, PS5 dualsense moggs rest of them.
>>107811816>Kinda hard to see the point of IPS with OLEDs like thatExactly. Why do you think they are pushing Pulsar, 5K/6K, and MiniLEDs with more zones so hard?
I wrecked partially a port on my monitor + gpu with using a standing desk, the cable was too short. since its an expensive new oled I have to live with a monitor with wonky port for the rest of timeits probably the most stressful thing I experienced in couple years, as in the stress hormone release resulted from that was physically higher than any other situation
>>107811833>>107811797Is burn in still an issue?
>>107811742OLED burn-in is only really a thing on phones these days because the they put ten bazillion software measure to ensure that an OLED monitor won't burn-in too fast.
>hobby to hard to get into >fastest thread on the boardWhy do youtube/redditfags lie?
>>107811851its sort of like a general for new upcoming hardware say a thing is released in CES, people will link youtube videos and articles about it here
>>107811840>wrecked partially a port on my monitor + gpu with using a standing desk, the cable was too short.you are not alone, i have also damaged things with my own ham-fisted stupidity.so it still works? post pictures, we love that kind of gore here. is it the first time you damaged a compooter thing by mistake, anon?
>>107811856it just disconnects easier now, it can result in partial connection with a slight touch. the port was slightly bent and my monitor has one (1) dp port because reasons
>>107811847>Is burn in still an issue?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbEgQrigiLctl;dw It will happen, but you're realistically looking at 5-7 years of regular use minimum before it would become noticeable outside of test color slides in real world content signals. By that point imagine how cheap a replacement or even better monitor will be.
>>107811851Whats so hard about it ? Despite all the doom and gloom we hear people on earth on average are richer than ever before. I dont even game that much and I just built a beefy rig simply because I have extra money to spend.
>>107811847I wouldn't worry about it. Would take as long as or longer than an upgrade cycle.
>>107811868if you are a clever chimp that owns and can use tools you may be able to get it to fit a little or maybe even a lot better without even opening up the unit. if you are not a clever chimp or do not own tools that you know how to use you might have a chimp-friend that does and can and perhaps you could lure them into the task with the promise of some bananas.
>>107811878>simply because I have extrathere are many who do not. the anon made a good point, the entry point to /pcbg/ as a hobby precludes the /poor/
420 AIO recommendations?
Help me decide on a CPU, going into a small-ish case with a 5070TI, mostly for 1440p gaming with some productivity on the side.>9600X at $180+cheapest+higher clock speed than 7600X3D-6 cores>7600X3D at $200+X3D cache+low temps-low clock speed (worse than 7600X)-6 cores>7700X at $230+8 cores-high temps (will run in eco mode)-priciest
>>107811851I had extra student grant money that I had to spend on "educational" expenses to avoid paying taxes on it, so I built a $2k dollar PC
>>1078119587600x3d
>>107811948it's in the sticky you illiterate retard (which i just now noticed was updated after i bitched about the pump mount on the Arctic)>>COOLER>AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
in the past I always just bought the cheapest fans/coolers I could get so I'm pleasantly surprised at how quiet my new build is
>>107811962are you the faggot who was pissing around here on the GPU upgrade for your mastersbation box a little while ago?
>>107811999no, i'm not your thread enemy
Does a lightweight GPU like Asus Prime 5070 Ti need a support bracket? The mobo already has a reinforced PCIe slot.
>>107812010No GPU under 2kg needs a support bracket.
>>107812008the anon i refer to was not my enema. i think i convinced him to upgrade his GPU and sell the old one, then use the money from the sale to woo his girlfriend so he could get some snu-snu. i just wanted to know if he got any is all.
>>107811958>productivityGo for more cores then. Work is work. 9700X if at all possible.
>>107812010If your card or case comes with a support bracket, you use it. They can use it as a reason to not accept RMAs, or so I hear. The problem with sag isn't at your rear and PCIe slots, it is the sag on the other outer corner causing stress on the PCB by bending it. The best place to support it is also actually a bit closer to the middle of the mass than the furthermost corner.
>>107812039Didn't come with any
>>107810624I thought this was a fish tank from the thumbnail.
>>1078118514chan users are all affluent.
>>1078118519 out of 10 pcbg posters bought their pc parts on credit
>>107812062Then your card probably doesn't need a support bracket so long as you fix it in properly
>>107812088>bought their pc parts on credityour shitpost rings true. i myself eschew keeping any type of revolving credit balance.
>>107812088Yep, klarna owns this general
>>107811713I have NEVER seen a single tutorial for doing anything with an NPU, or any hype from anyone about working with one. Who the fuck are they for anyway?
>>107812121>Who the fuck are they for anywaysales and marketing teams, apparently.
this guy makes reliable content, maybe useful for some herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ursy_ZdBb6Y
>>107812161Thanks anon
>>107812161you could have at least warned us we'd need some popcorn, anon
>>107812161chat, is this real?
>>107812230
>>107810971>https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105924942/#105930476how do you know this is him? Post style doesn't match. I'm genuinely asking, I'm not saying he's not him.
vrazy how we're already getting 5k and 6k gaming monitors, do you really need that much resolution and ppi>?
so looking at >>107812161 is the 9850x3D worth it over the 9800x3D?
>>107812274>>107810981
>>107812031That's like $300 now though, a lot more than the other options.
>>107811971>Thermalright Frozen EdgeDoesn't come in a 420mm>Lian Li Galahad II LiteCool name. But, also not a 420mm. >Corsair Nautilus RSAlso, not a 420.>Cooler Master AtmosYou already know what I'm going to say here.>Liquid Freezer 3Comes in a 420mm version, so gives me 1 data point for comparison.Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it. But, there was a reason I asked.
>>107812277it's like 4% better on avg, is it worth buying a new cpu for 4%?
>>107812274trust himhe has the /pcbg/ notebookit lists all the posters in there, along with brand affiliation, blood type, etc
>>107812275yes anything under 200ppi is basically a blurry mess
>>1078122857700x as the next best thing then. Why run it in eco though? If you're going to do that then might as well just 9600x. X3D helps best when you have to skimp on RAM speed and of course is focused on getting use out the big caches (games, *some* types of productivity), doesn't help much otherwiseThough really, how urgent are these work tasks of yours? If you can just let it do its thing then a 9600x will do the same job, just slower.
>>107812308>lists
>>107812319>then a 9600x will do the same job, just slower
>>107812319>>107812344>buying slower hardware achieves the same job, just slowerThe absolute state of /g/
>>107811820Electrons aren't that valuable given how common they are.>>107811827I want to get into flight sims and space games, as a result I was thinking of getting a hosas and pedals setup that way I could pretty much do anything I wanted game play wise. Is there anything to look out for when considered what to get or should I just yolo it and get something like vkb or Virpil.
>>107812319I'm worried about temps in a small case. And 7700X is cheaper/easier to find than 7700.I did skimp on the RAM and ended up with CL36 6000, but the one benchmark video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIiqutFJNB4) I watched doesn't show that X3D cache helps much with the CL timing.The productivity stuff is more of a hobby than real work at this point. Not really urgent.
>>107812367>hosasabsolute debauchery. do it and take some cheetle-free images of your /battlestation/ to post here, many anons will be most jelly
>>107812387What an apt image, between the computer, flight sim stuff, and sound system the entire setup is approaching 20k usd.
>>1078122758k is the real money, these are just appetizers….. of course that’s still a long way from being viable
>>107812369>The productivity stuff is more of a hobby than real workWell then you have your answer. Rest is on your budget or what you might like to buy with the money saved.>watched doesn't show that X3D cache helps much with the CL timing.As far as I understand it, its a general thing rather than one aspect or another. Larger cache means less sensitive to any work that requires it to fetch again from DRAM. 3D cache is beloved by the vocal internet and it IS the absolute best but it is very much a luxury product.
>>107811365pathetic
>>107812433thank you for reminding me to hook up my battery tender.
>>107810624You guys must be fucking rich.
>>107812436just blessed
>>107810650Get fucked thin skin FAGGOT.Get the fuck out my 4chan, bitch.
>>107812436everyone that needs to build a computer posts here. being /poor/ does not mean you cannot have /tech/ or /knowledge/.
>>107811079>Linus Suck Tips
>>107812275>5090 is the only card that can get a halfway decent fps on 4k new games>What if we added even MORE resolution!Wow
>>107812436I'm a poorfag and built a PC for 700 USD utilizing sales over a year period
>>107812461only with goytracing turned on5090 can easily do rasterised 8k high settings
DDR4 prices increased because DDR4 production was shut down for DDR5 production.DDR5 will not be easily available for reasonable prices until Q3 at the earliest.The most consumer friendly thing AMD could do is put Zen4 on AM4 which they wont do, the easiest thing AMD could do is put Zen3 X3D back in production which they also will not do.Intel is in no position to do anything for, they cannot even cut prices on 14th gen.
>>107812461>Wowindeed, the steady march of technology towards the complete consumption of all available resources seems to run unabated since the moment the first homonid realized that a leaf could be used as a tool to wipe oneself, thus ushering in an epoch of creativity that gave (you), anon, the ability to shitpost right here on /pcbg/
>>107812436Real richfag would just buy the most expensive prebuilt
>>107812466thats pretty good, what did you build?
>>107812484nasa cgi pic unrelated?
>>107810648hes still around but calmed down by a lot after he got freaked out by people stalking him, the troon probably got close to his real life details i reckon. the last op he made was in june
>>107812492kek the truly /rich/ have people who buy them whatever they want and don't give a single fuck about having the latest computer.
>>107812475>Turning off path tracing Yup, outdated card already
>>107812436Most of us here are actually poorfags who are too poor to buy top products so we have to cope by engaging in brand wars
>>107812494All I'm waiting for is another >=1TB m2 SSD to show up on sale, whenever that happens
>>107812511Not me
>>107812532This nigga thinks he can flex a non astral 5090
Im looking for a PSU for my new build.-Ryzen 9800x3d- Phantom Spirit 120 SE Cooler-Gainward RTX 5090 (550W)-ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-F-2 NVME SSDs, 2 SATA Ssds, 2 SATA HDDs-Around 6-8 120mm fansIve had the seasonic Focus GX-1000 in mind but im wondering if a 1000W PSU is enough
>>107812498all is related. look at the tools we use (and not just leaves). all of it fueling the quest for ever moar and better computing power. all of this waste trickles down to us as /consoomers/ in the form of crap we can buy like monitards and all the other junk.
>>107812478>The most consumer friendly thing AMD could do is put Zen4 on AM4 which they wont doi was saying this even before the memory crisis began, and it would be an obvious thing to do since AMD has chipletstake some reject zen 5 chiplets and combine them with an AM4/DDR4 IO dieposition AM5 as the premium product with DDR5, PCIe Gen5, etc, and release a 5ghz 9700X3D AM4 Edition or whatever AMD marketing wants to call itthere's no reason to avoid this except artificial market segmentation(zen 5 can't even take advantage of DDR5 bandwidth because their infinity fabric tops out at 70 GB/s, so there would be absolutely no performance difference for people with decent DDR4 kits)
>>107812516keep surfing and research before you buy so you get the most for your money, e.g. make sure SSDs have DRAM, at least for the OS drive.
>>107812501>People stalking himQrd?
>>107812478>The most consumer friendly thing AMD could do is>>107812545you anons should go work for amd instead of practicing armchair processor design!
>>107812567>you anons should go work for amd instead of practicing armchair processor design!no need, i already upgraded to intelAMD didn't have any compelling upgrades for me on AM4, sucks for them but it is what it is
>>107812556people found his steam profile and one thing lead to another
>>107812576yep i took the am5 pill for my last build, thought i got screwed on ram pricing in november but we all know how thats going.
>>107812545they could do Zen5 but they don't need to because they've got Zen4 working in the lab, it would be no other development costs compared to Zen5they could keep it a gen behind and do limited releases 7500F equivalent, 7800X3D equivalent, 7900X.
>>1078125391000W would be enough and safe for that system. I'd go for 1200w if it's not much more though.
>>107812585Sounds too good for this gay corporate run world
>>107812585>would be no other development coststhat is a shitpost if i ever saw one. have you ever actually worked at a huge top-100 globohomo like amd? i have and i can tell you that there are always development costs and that there would be no budget for this, not when they have better things in the pipeline.
>>107812582looking back DDR5 would've been a good investment for surewould make me rich>>107812585they can do whatever they like but they need to move on from zen 3, it has no IPC and no clock speed, it's slowand if they have zen 4 working in the lab zen 5 would also work with minimal effortthey literally said this was one of the main advantage of chiplets, they can mix and matchfor zen 3 and zen 5 they just dropped the new cores onto same substratesure there would still be some validation work, and motherboard vendors would have a hard time fitting all the microcode into one BIOS package on old boards, but in the end it would make them a lot of money and that's all that really matters
Is 12GB VRAM sufficient for 1440p120hz as long as I don't play unoptimized UE5 slop?
>>107812609>but in the end it would make them a lot of money and that's all that really matterskek thats a nice ending to your daydream, anon
>>107812593Thank you
>>107812620gee, i wonder who could be behind this post?
>>107812629Please answer the question I just want to know if my 4070 Super is enough to carry me for the next decade or if I'm fucked and urgently need to buy something with at least 16GB VRAM
>>107812604its more of a miscommunication if anything, they've already spent development costs on it to the point of working prototypes by no costs really I should have said minimal costs that would be refunded through sales
>>107812633welp the only reason i upgraded from my 4070s is that i needed to keep it in the old system when i did a new build, otherwise i would have just kept it. whether you panic buy something is up to you.
>>107812633Everybody is upgrading atm, make of that what you will. In my opinion, yes you should Upgrade now if you dont want to stream your games in near Future.
>>107810624>Only bought an AIO for the screen even though Double Air Tower was probably safe>Two years later Air Tower with screens is becoming a thingSuch cases.
>>107812655which is very silly because its the worst time to upgrade
>>1078126335 years? sure. A decade? Probably not. I have a 5070 at qhd 180hz and I'm quite comfortable with using 12gb while I ride this out.
>>107812707Do you think things will improve in 5 years?
>>107812687Worst time SO FAR
what is the difference between dual mode and just feeding a 4k display 1080p
>>107812710technology is always evolving, anon. 5 years is a mighty long time for disposable crap like GPUs.
>>107812687Depends. Youre speculating that prices will drop soon. I am speculating that prices will continue to rise.I upgraded 2 weeks ago and got an 5090 for 2400€ for example. Try finding one for that price now. Anon should sell his 4070 and buy a 5070ti.
>>107812710you fucked up not investing in AIi dont care which green line goes up
>>107812436Live with parents (while still working).They pay for everything but transport (you) save up enough money to spend on stupid shit like a high end PC you'll only use for shitposting.
>>107812687I believe things are going to get much worse before they get better.
>>107812716What is Moores law?Also prices of PC components have been Constantly rising since 2010.
>>107812722>(you) save up enough money to spend on stupid shit like a high end PC you'll only use for shitposting(i) did exactly that. whats your point? it's /pcbg/.
>>107810624Alright so I have>ryzen 7 9800x3d>lian li 217 case>rtx 3090ti>3 noctua g2 120mm fans>2 140mm noctua g2 fans>Noctua NH-D15 G2 LBC cpu coolerIs there to make my rig even cooler/colder? Or am I just nitpicking and just be happy with how it is?
>>107812734My point was in response to >>107812436 as to how I managed to build my PC. Wouldn't say I'm rich. Still at entry-level. I just kept stacking it up over time. In fact I think my current set up took a good part of two years to put together.
>>107812736>Decent Airflow case with good fans and a premium air coolerYeah you're just nitpicking beyond that, enjoy the rig, I bet it's cold under load.
>>107812732>quotes outdated prophecy>prices of PC components have been Constantly rising sinceanon, the cost of components for /pcbg/ trends upwards over time, only very recently have we seen the obscene price spikes. are you /poor/? you can still have /tech/, and need /knowledge/. or are you just here to off-topic shitpost? i mean we all know it's expensive to build computers, this is not news.
I often see that UPSs are not recommended, but I have a serious power problem here. Any rain or wind, and there is a high risk of the power going out, and I have had my computer shut down improperly while working and gaming countless times.Should I consider a UPS? Why is there so much rejection of them?
>>107812754About the only thing I might change now is change one of the monitor arms. Temu-tier spring-loaded crap that I have to wrestle back in place every few months.>>107812736>coolerHow cold do you need it to be?
>>107812767just buy one if you know you need it.
>>107812736yeah you're using speccy instead of Hwinfo64. you could always replace the paste on the 3090ti with the phase change shit the zoomers ITT obsess over
>>107812760>>107812770I have been getting about 45c under load from sonic racing and bioshock 2. But it just annoys me cause I used to have a peerless assassin 120 and just the case fans in there and it seemed to do 1-2c less than now but was louder compared to the noctua (where I added a 120mm bottom intake fan to the other 2, and a 140mm exhaust fan about the cpu). So just bugging me more fans in strategic places causing higher temp than stock.>>107812784I was considering kryosheet instead of noctua thermal paste for cpu, but don't know enough about it to try it.
Is there a list of all the new monitors revealed at CES? I have an urge to CONSOOM
>>107812719My AI investment looks meh.Investing in the rocks that going into those AI chips...
>>1078128060/10 would not bang
>>107812801>considering kryosheeti actually went for it with a 9950X3D and AIO, and it seems to /werk/, but on a new build so cannot compare to another TIM.
>>107812817That's just a helpful rhinoceros beetle
>>107812821but when you did it, all it was was cut it to fit the cpu shape and put it on instead of the paste. it didn't tear a lot or keep sliding off when putting on the heat plate?
>>107812843if you buy real kryosheet you buy it in the size already cut for the CPU, and the genuine thermal grizzly product comes with a tiny bottle of mineral oil that you use to hold the sheet in place on the CPU while you attach the GPU, as well as the kapton tape you might need for your install. the sheet itself is delicate and so you have to take care not to tear it. i >>107812821would buy it again if needed instead of using paste.
>>107812872>while you attach the GPU*while you attach the heatsink or pump headyes, i'm >>107812872 an idiot.
>>107812436I am just lucky. For example I bought pic rel for 150 euros a few weeks ago.Couldnt find it brand new at that price anymore anywhere.
Which of these two budget motherboards should I get, the MSI B850 Gaming Plus WiFi motherboard or the GIGABYTE B850 Eagle WiFi 6E motherboard? I'm using a Ryzen 5 9600x and an RTX 4070 Super.
>>107812903prob the msi one if you're on windows 11 since it supports wi-fi 7 but if you are going that route and prefer a cleaner look this one's a bit more robust for not much more
>>107811343Won't they be too big? There is a non OLED 35' 5k2k and it's honestly the best thing but we probably won't see it on QD Oled for yearsI think I'll give up on the UW meme and stick with a 4k 27'
>>107810624If you buy an Nvidia 50 series gpu you are a fucking mark and deserve to be treated like shit
Brothers I come in search of advice.I’m buying a PCIe 5 m.2 enclosure to run 4x SSDs in RAID however it appears my fat ass chunky 5090 is blocking all my other PCIe slots and the only other available one has a TX401 installed. Here’s my question: is it worth upgrading from a i7 13700k to an Arrow Lake and look for another premium LGA1851 mobo? Or should I wait for LGA1954 to upgrade to Nova Lake/get discounted Arrow Lake later this year?
>>107812532>showing off he has hdds in his pcngmi
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AoD6ssxloxkWhy are nvidijeets shilling DLSS 4.5 so hard ITT as a way to shit on RDNA 4 owners when it's overall worse than the og transformer model they had?
>>107812953The bitter starving peasant rages against the fat aristocrat
4chan experiment time!I have an old HP EliteDesk 800 G2 with an i7-6700t running W10 IoT as a mediabox, it's idling at pic related.I have a fresh tube of MX-7 that I got with my LF III Pro but didn't use. I'm gonna repaste the old HP and see what it does.
>>107812976Why are Indians using 4chan in greater and greater numbers? I could understand biz since they're all scammers but there's no money to be stolen from us here.
>>107812961Would the slots be accessible if you use a riser cable and mounted your GPU differently?
now comes the flood of posts designed to bump up the thread count, it's a familiar pattern>really it's like you can't stay away, huh?
>>107812767I bought one because I live in the middle of nowhere and dont trust my electricity, dont want my precious thousand dollar worth parts to fry. But research, only good ones with enough power are worth it. And seems like everyone is buying them too, the one I wanted initially was out of stock everywhere
>>107813009Unfortunately not. I tried to mount it vertically but it won't do.
>>107812961If you want lanes, arrow lake has lanes for days. You can probably populate 4 m.2 slots on the mobo and not lose any gpu lanes. Don't believe this is possible on amd or raptor lake. It's also less janky than using a janky m.2 card.
>>107812995MX-7 is not magic, it might knock a degree off at best if it doesn't need fresh paste. if the paste is dry it will drop a few degrees.
>>107813066i replaced the CPU a couple of months ago and used years old MX-3 that was laying around.
>>107812976Exhibit B
>>107813076Could be a bad application. Be generous with the paste on a laptop to ensure a good spread, i think much like gpus laptops aren't as tightly toleranced as desktop cpu coolers. MX doesn't short circuit anything anyway
>>107813081What's funny is the older transformer model had issues with this in Cyberpunk with this too so I guess the new model made it even worse.
>>107812976i couldnt care less as long as it requires the buggy nvidia app
>>107813086i have been doing this for a very, very long time. hang tight...
>>107812736ez way is to undervolt the 3090ti, or swap it for a 5070ti
Pcie lanes are one of the only thing arrow lake has going for it. Such a mediocre platform otherwise.
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>>107813104you know its bad when intel fanboys have to write an essay on why its a needed advancement
>>107813121hmmmmm nyo
>>107813121that one is pozzed.>>107810650
>>107811907>>107812436The same applies to almost all hobbies. This is one of the cheaper hobbies, especially if you want to be pedantic and exclude public resources like soccer fields, which are more than a hundred times more expensive than pc building if you have to pay for the field yourself. Meanwhile, pc builders can technically get all the essentials for free by dumpster diving and "recycling" ewaste. Even without technicalities, $50 a month amortized is enough to keep up with decent gaming specs over time.>>1078126334070 super isn't so bad and nothing is going to last a decade. You should be able to ride out the current crisis with it. It'll only be 2 years until new VRAM production comes online, so the only reason to upgrade now would be if you're not poor and the money means nothing to you.>>107812767>I often see that UPSs are not recommendedWho the fuck said that? The only reason to not get a UPS is poverty. Anyone who's not poor should have a UPS. Poorfags will sacrifice it so they can put the money into the CPU and GPU instead, and then they'll get fucked by blackouts.
>>107813176>>107813176>>107813176real non-biased and more friendly thread
Above is a spam duplicateReal thread>>107813116>>107813116>>107813116
>>107813217404'dkekking so hard right now
>>107812995>>107813066>>107813086>>107813094paste applied per manufacturers recommendation, it's kinda gloppy and doesn't stick to the IHS
>>107813308not bad for five minutes work.
>>107813240mods = gods for once not fags
>>107813329>-16, -11, -20, -13Good results.
>>107813308>>107813329how hot does it get in prime95 running smallft? does it even hit 90C?
>>107813379i'll remote back in and run that for a couple minutes, it's "t" cpu running at 35w
>>107813391>35weven so, just run it for a minute or so since it really hammers the cpu hard
>>107813379>>107813391
>>107813368
>>107813430breddy gud
>>107813608the tube (came with the AIO) was not retail sized, it had just enough (0.8g) to put >>107813308
>>107813760i personally wouldve put 1/3 to 1/2 the amount since the heatspreader is small enough
>>107813797anon that would not have been a proper test. that was done with 100% genuine Arctic MX-7, and the bloody krauts that designed the LF III Pro kit i got were, as germans usually are, extremely accurate in the amount of precious magicthermogoop they supplied, not even a little bit of the swedish "just enough and maybe a little extra is ok", no, this was a teutonically anal measurement of thermal paste in a tube small enough to fit in the most clenched german accountants bunghole. i guarantee there were multiple meetings about this.also i >>107813094 am your OP having a little fun ranting, i'm still peeved at the LF III Pro mounting thing, they could do so much better.
>>107813872i wouldnt trust those germans at all because they didnt measure my specific sample. im 110% sure it has 2.54mm2 more surface area than the average 9900k does
>>107813960i >>107813872 trusted them enough to give them my shekels, anon. not really bitching about a free sample of MX-7.>plus it just /worked/ as advertised, bier undt schnitzel for everyone.
>>107814003you do youi'd never trust anally inflamed germans for anything!
Is it true DLSS 4.5 Performance looks better than DLSS 4 Quality?
>>107814210In most games at 1440p and 4k, yes.There will always be exceptions though.
>>107811487I've been thinking while researching VR, there are a shit ton of people who HATE facebook and Zuckerberg just because its facebook and zuckerberg and that is their only driving force towards not getting a meta quest 3 even if they think its good otherwise. How is this not just as cringe as fanboying for valve or nvidia (many of them are fanboying for valve too though)
>>107814403you want to fap in 3d, just buy what works best at the moment, it's all crap right now anyway.
>>107814422i dont think im gonna get any, like you say they're all crap now
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once again we have three threads running.>>107816003>>107816003>>107816003
