How do you persuade normies to use this app?
>>107910625I am in the UK apparently soon WhatsApp will be monitored heavily by the government so I need to get people to swap to this or at the very least telegram I think telegram will be easier although it is not nearly as private it is more known.Only of of my friends isn't completely fucking technically retarded so he will be fine but the rest are normie tier when it comes to tech and will choose convenience over privacy and also probably get nicked for saying something the gov doesn't like.
>If you want to reach me use thisThat's it.From my anecdotal experience they like it because it's simple and lacks bloat.
>>107910826It really is that simple.
>>107910734telegram is quite literally a government honeypot, its much worse than whatsapp since thats at least end to end encrypted by default
>>107910625For messaging session is the best app.
>>107910873Okay fuck that then.
>>107910875when v2 comes out it should be decent. did they ever fix the key length thing that soatok was bitching about?
>>107910873which government
>>107911005formally? the united kingdompractically? fourteen eyes
>>107910625>as of 2025 Signal is installed by default on the devices of CIA employees
>>107910826Some people just blatantly refuse to get it from my experience. I probably just didn't reach out to enough people
>>107911067Yeah I have met the same responses.But I simply refuse to install applications that belong to facebook.
What is this?
>>107911038based on what and why wouldn't the same be true for Signal?
the forced facebook/meta account bullshit whatsapp did back in the day pushed a lot of europeans towards signaleven normies and old people use it, at least in central europe.https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/signal-users-by-countrynote that germany makes up 20% of the traffic, a bit more than the US, even though the states have 4 times the population.>>107911038>telegramwhy is it so popular in russia / eastern europe then? i never understood that. i always assumed its a russian honeypot.
>>107910625Is Session or Signal better?
>>107911139telegram server code is closed source and proprietary. signal is FOSS and audited.telegram guy hides in qatar or some other shit country like that, signal personal is known and at least somewhat accountable should bullshit happen.
>>107911146>why is it so popular in russia / eastern europe then? i never understood that. i always assumed its a russian honeypot.the founder is russian and feature-wise it's the best instant messaging app.
>>107911163I don't know a lot about session because it looks confusing to me.Signal is simple and to the point so I keep using it.
>>107911163I don't know much about Session, but they don't require a phone number to register while Signal does. So that's one thing they do better
>>107911183Its not even really an instant messaging app. Its just a web portal where you upload all your chats and media. You're not sending anything to anyone's device.
>>107910625Why persuading the normies?
>>107911183sure. but why didn't he get depressed and got fallen out of a window yet?whatsapp and signal are banned / blocked in russia. telegram is partially affected at worst and often only regionally.seems to draw a clear picture.
>>107911084The last Meta product I'm down to is Instagram. I don't post much on there, but there is a lot of peer pressure to stay on the app
>>107911216Help the application gain some traction, make it bigger, guarantee its future.
>>107911226Also basically the only way to follow a bunch of artists. Webcomics and personal sites are dead, reddit subs are shit and push constant bullshit inbetween, shit like deviantart or artstation is just for AI now.
>>107910625>centralized into the >>>/trash/ it goes
>>107910734whatsapp is done for ever since it got bought by meta (facebook)
>>107911224he's in prison
>>107911729Europe won't move on from it. Texting culture will disappear before something replaces it.
>>107911067I'm Russian and one of the lawyers I know refuses to use Telegram because>I don't trust itthey were willing to use WhatsApp when it was functional and currently chat using >imo and >>>>>max
>>107910734wdym technically retarded the installation procedure is the same like every other app just tap the fucking screen a few times. No people are not retarded, they would not be able to use a phone in any capacity if they were that retarded, the problem is that they dont care about spyware. None of my friends care about it. They ask me what are they gonna do to me? And fairly they are right, nothing can happen to them. They all have an expectation that when you use someones app you use their server and whatever you leave behind is no longer private. Delusional people will have this concept that if they send a message to someone, this message will only be accesable by that person. No, neither of you own that server, therefore that communication is not private, same for signal After all it still uses a phone number for authentication, this is somehow worse than other very obvious spyware honeypots like instagram. Uk and other meme countries are gonna fall apart if they continue with these ridiculous ideas, not because someone can see this data but because someone will take an action based on this data of yours. This only happens in countries that are just not built for humans in mind. You should realistically move out of that shithole, anarchy will not achieve anything and you will only make your own life shittier by staying there.
>>107910625I literally told my family that the only way to reach me was through Signal. They were forced to install it.
>>107911183>feature-wise it's the best instant messaging app.literally too much bloat these daysI want to go back to Telegram without any commercial features
>>107911224>whatsapp and signal are banned / blocked in russiacensorship circumvention in Signal works flawlessly kek
Should have never removed the sms feature.
>>107910625>persuade normiesYou need to persuade women, everyone will follow
>>107912489European providers shouldn't have been greedy pigs by charging for sms, these apps wouldn't have taken off that hard then in the first place.
>>107911170>telegram is quite literally a government honeypotFaggots don't regulate free speech on TG and that means it's a honeypot. Mind explaining why Durov was extorted in France then if the government already controls the app? >its much worse than whatsappWhatsApp is owned by FaceBerg, FaceBerg is rebrand of LifeLog, a DARPA project which was literally operated by US research defense wing.>>107911170>telegram guy hides in qatar> signal person is known and at least somewhat accountableNice argument
>>107910625It's not possible, trust me. We need some marketing and mainstream fags pushing that shit. But at least you can chat with other privacy faggots for now. Just tell your family and ""frens"": 'If it's important, call me, I try to take a pause from chatapp xyz, but I'll be using Signal now, you should check that out, it's exactly like whatsapp, even better' don't tell them about privacy shit right away, trust me, MOST normies don't care. I know ""people"" that upload ONS to fucking Snapchat and when I said "You could try signal, especially for those private things" He said: "Ah, I don't need that private shit, just like that weird telegram stuff"
>>107912537You didn't mention FOSS, closed source and audited. Why?
>>107912678FOSS doesn't mean shit when glowniggers are sent to interfere.
>>107911729facebook added end to end encryptionwhatsapp was never a good option, it was always a poor people alternative to MMS
>>107910625a tad too much shilled on r3ddit for my taste, gives out bad vibes.
>>107912537>Mind explaining why Durov was extorted in France then if the government already controls the app? theatre, durov is a french citizenlook into his history, its very clear he is an intelligence officer
>>107912818>Kevlar isn't 100% bullet proof, so I might just wear a T-shirt instead. Fine. Trust closed-source software. I don't care.>>107912834Whatsapp copy pasted signal's encryption model, allegedly. So it could've been fine in theory. But when they sold it to facebook, the former owners pretty much spilled the beans that you shouldn't trust their implementation anymore. At least as much as the NDA allowed them to.
>>107912939facebook was the one to "copy paste" signals protocol to whatsappwhatsapp never had real encryption because they always kept the key
>>107912920Why doesn't Russia ban and block it like Signal and Whatsapp?
>>107912956why does china block vkontakte?
>>107912951seems you're rightthis post>WhatsApp's Signal Protocol integration is now completehttps://signal.org/blog/whatsapp-complete/is from 2016, Whatsapp was bought by Facebook in 2014seems both owners later became critics of facebook, but they didn't actually say anything about e2e. I must have misremembered that.
>>107912971Because they block everything they can't own or corrupt. Which is exactly what I'm suggesting regarding Russia and Telegram.Also apparently they unblocked vkontakte later, so what are you even saying?
>signal>safe>foss evenlol, lmao>>107910625I almost didn't install it because it's only "distributed" officially on playstore and has a bunch of botnet stuff internally, luckily there are some forks that don't require any involvement with google (this makes signal devs seethe irrationally for some reason), I'm using the twinhelix one; in case you come across someone without a google account
issue applications through "official" bot for universities, schools, some other orgs where people may stay comminicating with each other.issuing welfare campaign registrations isnt as effective.here, you see, those retards dont listen, i command them to join /opensourceclub/ but they refuse to cooperate.though, signal doesnt have such rich features. surrender then. better technology should win.
>>107913134https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107313561I know, right?
>>107910625A lot of people have moved to Signal here (France). I mostly gaslight people and send them the creepiest scariest news articles I can find about DSA, chat control and Whatsapp's stance on privacy.>>107910734Signal has literally 0 complexity in its usage. You install it, you allow it to access your phone contacts, that's it.
Bare minimum I do nowadays is when family members or friends call me over GSM I tell them to call me back on whatsapp. If they send me a text I tell them please use whatsapp in the future.Best would be for them to move to Signal or Telegram but already, stopping unencrypted calls is a good thing. When you take time to explain to normies that any technigger with 500$ of equipment can snoop on their phone calls and texts, they actually give a shit.
>>107911139The Signal Protocol, now also adopted by WhatsApp and Telegram if I I remember correctly, is a protocol that is designed to protect privacy by not needing the the server to remember anything. The Signal Foundation operated infrastructure doesn't need any info.Even if you don't trust Signal, don't trust the internet to connect you to the real Signal servers, don't trust men-in-the-middle etc. etc. etc. it matters less. Info that simply wasn't sent is entrusted to no-one. The end-to-end encryption is also verifiable at multiple stages. Like the fingerprint compare function. I don't think I'm smart enough to think of the schemes by which a group like the NSA or whatever can get around what I think makes the app safe, but compared to the other apps it's remarkable that Signal has these functions and develops their app in the right direction whereas Telegram is iffy and WhatsApp doesn't but that's par for the course if you consider it's against the business model of WhatsApp(/Facebook) for you to actually have your privacy protected by WhatsApp.You can use your phone and your friends' to check if the fingerprint of the keys you are using are what your phones expect from one-another. The devs are also very aggressive and proactive about fixing problems with the encryption that aren't even problems yet. And extreme edge cases and side-channels like the size of network brackets giving away which stickers you send. They round up the size of the encrypted packets.And for security and your questions about what the program is really doing, it's really neat that it's open-source. You can verify that the source code they provide is the real source code to the program. Because you can compile the program yourself and confirm the binaries are the same* and/or the program works as intended. And if you are sure it's the real source code you know you have the real description of what your phone/pc does when running the program.
>>107910625Have you tried asking them?
>>107913613>and Telegram if I I remember correctlynah TG does its own thing
Just ask them. And if they like you they will say yeah.
>>107911056meaning it's rock-solid and does what it says it does.there is no better endorsement, same as with grapheneOS
>>107910625That's not the SimpleX logo, mate.
>>107910873>since thats at least end to end encrypted by defaultHow do you know that? It's closed-source.You're not trusting Meta's words, are you?
>>107911139Signal is open-source. Their claims can be verifiable by simply auditing the code.
>>107910625I actually managed to convert a few of mine to Signal.
>>107910625Get rid of the pedophiles
>>107914990i trust zuckerberg with millions of shareholders before the mossad shill any time
>>107910625I got one guy to use it when me met lolcan't move my friend group nor family members though
>>107913613Everything said here is nonsense
>>107915004Still can't show A Signal message in it's raw encrypted format
why this and not the telegram. Signal just feels jewish
>>107915064Why would you need to trust the mossad?If the code is open it can be seen and audited by anyone.>>107918268I don't understand what you mean.What's stopping you or anyone else from capturing the network traffic to see the raw encrypted message?And what information do you expect to extract from there? Encryption is indistinguishable from randomness.
>>107918537What's stopping YOU? I'm not making the claims, so, the burden of proof isn't on me.
>>107918546Holy fucking shit! How did /g/ became this tech-illiterate.You think you prove a message is properly encrypted by looking at it's output you dumbfuck?Want to see an encrypted Signal message? Here goes:mjuwxBA5bio4g1wL2RwhOUTGr9z6qCgeIt says "fuck you" and it's impossible for you or anyone else to validate without my keys.If you want to be sure the program is actually encrypting the message with your keys and a solid encryption algorithm what you want to check is the CODE. Not the freaking message.It's been checked by hundreds or thousands of people because all the code is PUBLIC. Check it yourself if you don't trust the whistleblowers:https://github.com/signalapp
>>107910625tell them the trump admin uses it.
>>107918587I accept your concession, defeat and surrender. Sorry so upset, tranny.
>>107918587So you're admitting he's right retard
>>107918602You asked me for an encrypted Signal message and I gave it to you.Looks to me you have run out of arguments.
>>107918607>still can't provide evidence that Signal messages are indeed encrypted.>cries like a tranny.Sorry you're so upset, tranny
>>107910625don't bother, you'll just be the weird friend who's the only one on this obscure app
>>107918606How? I dead curious to know.Either this is bait or I swear to god I feel I'm talking with clinically retarded anons.I can't believe I'm a technology centric board when people don't understand basic simple concepts like encryption and checking source-code.>>107918602>>107918606>>107918619https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/tree/main/app/src/main/java/org/thoughtcrime/securesms/cryptoI accept your concession.
>>107918655>still can't provide evidence that Signal messages are indeed encrypted.>still can't show a encrypted Signal message in its raw format>cries like a tranny.Sorry you're so upset, tranny
>>107918636Nice try but I'm sticking with signal.
>>107918636That has been working fine for me.Great way to filter irrelevant chatter and noise.
>>107918655I have sucessfully done a TOFU attack on Signal and can demonstrate efficiently that it is NOT encrypted. keep crying Canaanite
>>107918667Please refer to >>107918655 and >>107918587>>107918677Go ahead. Show it to me. I'm dying to see.
>>107918686Here you go faggot. As you requested. Took me a while, but, there it is.https://files.catbox.moe/zi6hmo.mp4
>>107918698In this video I showcase how I am able to intercept and read plaintext messages "encrypted" by Signal.This video demonstrates an example trust on first use (TOFU) attack
>>107918698>>107918702BOOM! like I always said, the whole "Signal Protocol" is just a a marketing gimmick. nice work
>>107918686Here you go, tranny
>>107910625>How do you persuade normies to use this app?Get them addicted to russian slop propaganda and they'll start following the appropriate telegram channels.
>>107918698nice work
https://x.com/tuxpizza/status/2011327381332783497
>>107913520Not about it being complex it's about the mentality of the normie (especially British ones) they won't use anything that isn't the norm and I have tried to get them to use it but they will not. Also the fact that it is mildly different than whatsapp means it is unusable to them and I'm labeled as a nerd an a tinfoil hat guy.British normies are on a whole other level of retardation you guys have no idea. If the BBC announced use signal then they would do it if their mate of 20+ years recommends it he is a crazy person and is just being a pain.>>107912393This.
>>107910625I don't talk to normies.
>>107918698>>107918702>>107918714Samefag chad, why are you spamming this shit on leddit to shill your vibecoded messenger app? Same username in video, youtube video, and git author bro.https://old.reddit.com/user/Individual-Horse-866
>>107918698Thats a nice video (I found the youtube link for anyone intrested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN6p5YhilV8)As mentioned in the video however, thats why safety numbers exist. If you verify tgem with the other user, it means the server is not spoofed
>>107910625put it in my whatsapp "about" section,some got interested in it then delete it later on,overall no dice
>>107918702Thoughts on SimpleX, Session and Briar?
>>107918815>British normies are on a whole other level of retardation you guys have no idea. If the BBC announced use signal then they would do it if their mate of 20+ years recommends it he is a crazy person and is just being a pain.I wish this wasn't true
>>107918698>>107918702You got the video from >>107919062But anyway, that's why you validate the safety numbers.How does Telegram work around that anyway.
Please redeem your phone number serNot that way ser, do not redeem the voip number ser.OK ser, please upload your photo ID serOkay ser, enjoy the epic anonymous. Thank you for doing the needful
>>107919301Blame the camwhores and fake pharmacies for the modern-day antispam.
>>107910625>you can reach me on Signal>no I don't have anything elseAnyone who gives a shit about you will switch.
>>107919062lmao this mitm attack assumes someone has poisoned certificates or a compromised client installedits complete bullshit, this cant happen in real life
>>107919273You found my video. Congrats
>>107920480The entire app and platform is a mitm attack moron
>>107920548>doesnt know what a mitm attack isthat confirms a few suspicions i had
>>107920600Bottom line is, none of you can show evidence is Signal Encryption. Still waiting on a Signal message in it's raw encrypted format. Feed me your tears
>>107920615>Bottom line is, none of you can show evidence is Signal Encryption. Still waiting on a Signal message in it's raw encrypted format. Feed me your tearsabsolutely no idea what those sentences mean, try learning english before you post on an ENGLISH website
>>107920640>absolutely no idea what those sentences mean, try learning english before you post on an ENGLISH websiteSorry you're so upset, tranny
>>107910625i just ask them tot has convinced roughly two to three dozen people to start using it, many of whom use it only for me and no one else>>107910826based and correct honestly
>>107910625By saying all business people use it
>>107910625Viber is superior
>>107919104SimpleX setup over Tor and Briar are the way.
>>107920898For encrypted SMS between known contacts use Silence
I dunno.
something that i think a lot of people don't understand was that signal was never meant to anonymize its users. the goal is pretty much only privacy of the messages. a lot of people who say things about session, simplex, etc. being better are comparing apples to oranges. there's a real use case for those if you care about anonymity, sure. but if you're just talking with friends or acquaintances where it would already be apparent that you know these people, anonymity isn't all that useful to you
>>107920869lol
>>107910734>or at the very least telegramDon't you have to give your phone number to the FSB to use that trash? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>107921074the fuck is lil vladdy gonna do with my number?
Hi,When I use Signal on my Android phone, I write my messages using Gboard.Does Gboard bypass Signal's privacy and encryption?Because Gboard has access to my unencrypted text, since it suggests words and corrects my spelling.That concerns me.
>>107922216just don't give gboard internet access
How are you even supposed to get a gf or friends without exposing your butt to corpos and governments
>>107922688Thank you.
>>107922688You can also look up fossify on the playstore and replace basic apps with ones that are open source, including a keyboard. But there are some languages that aren't included on there
>>107924117This post is extremely helpful. I never even knew about fossify. Just installed all their apps. Keep helping anons by recommending niche software.My contribution is AdNauseam.
>>107922216Gboard should have no access to the internet. If it does, you've failed
>>107918996>uses reeditWhat a faggot you are
I would not persuade them to use Signal. I would persuade them to use Matrix, which is decentralized. Your account shouldn't be tied to a phone number, nor should your ability to communicate with others be tied to a single company.
have you seen this? identify the messengerthat is another method
>>107918698Post code.
>>107910625You can't anymore since the devs, in their infinite wisdom, saved normies from their incompetence by dropping support for sms messages.
>>107921074just rent a VoIP number
>>107910625it has hard google dependencies or you won't get notifications reliably. i can say it is free and open source, but the servers aren't, and all of your data goes to those servers. it is locked to your phone number so anyone with the means to monitor said external servers, can ensure whoever sent what is reliably you so it isn't even private. how can you feel passionately about this app when it just doesn't seem much better than the alternatives?
>>107922935>gf or friendsUsecase?
