I love my water blocked 5090, fast RAM, and OLED.

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MSI 5090 Lightning pricing announced: $5200 USD

>>108084865
I want a 32" OLED but I'm still not sure...$950 is a lot for that Asus monitor

>>108084867
I would just get the Pro 6000 then. It has 3 times the VRAM of a 5090.

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>>108084865
> OLED
slop

>>108084896
If you're worried by that you don't wanna see what 4.5 does when it upscales that shit

>>108084847
Disinfo tranny nicobabby OP
just fucking go stick a broom up your ass dude and get a job

Also you Europeans couldve prevented this four hours ago you lazy dipshits

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>>108084865
post your block

>>108084914
You're the only guy still reading the OP
You coulda made it any time don't start seething now

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OP will need updating, though the WD SSDs will not exist at all in a few months time

Sandisk has completed the rebrand and are shipping these now, for insane retard prices at that

>>108084847
Ips or OLED 2k ?

>>108084953
Do you need PULSAR

>>108084968

Are Zotac or Inno3D good brands to buy RTX5070 and other GPUs from?

They're the most affordable

What happened to the 9950X3D2? Cancelled?

>novideo

>>108084953
Quantum Dot. Dont fall for the WOLED meme.

>>108084867
Well, that's it, then. These prices are the new normal and they're only going up from here. You can either have a mildly comfortable life or computer hardware. This hobby is going the direction of a TV special where the door is kicked on to a depraved hoarder home in an expose on compteritis where it shows an emaciated fucker rocking back and forth in front of a monitor.

>>108085062
And honestly? Good. The Amish were right.

>>108084847
>higher PCIe closer to CPU
>limits M.2 heatsinks
>lower PCIe farther from CPU
>unlimited M.2 heatsinks
Why do they do this?

What
Videocards says Intel cancelled the 290K+

>>108084939
Maybe make a thread and don't let the tranny make it when they wake up you dumb euros

I warned you hours ago to make one when I was subbing in on a night shift

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Speaking of the OP being a faggoty troon, why is pic related not in the sticky? AMD has a budget alternative to the 5090, maybe not as performant but it is a choice and costs less shekels.

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5090 Lightning about to destroy that 5090 Matrix

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>AliExpress
>factory direct sales of video cards
>free shipping

>>108085213
>Z
ukrop bros?

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Do I want to torrent 720p or 1080p anime when on a 1440p monitor?

>>108085213
what is even "elite overclocker" now? they barely oc for shit. liquid nitrogen will kill the card.

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>>108084865
>Didn't buy the dip of a 5090 2000€/2400$
>Didn't buy the last recent FE 5090 refill (msrp 2250€/2695$ (Still very good tho))))
>Didn't buy prebuilt discounted 5090 build
>Didn't buy ram during summer 110€ 64gb 6400c32
>Didn't boughted oled monitor or tv
>Learnt/remembered about oled TV ACR (Automatic Content Recognition) (screenshotting your screen every 500ms and uploading to Jeet/Isr*eli servers every second))
>Remembered we live in a real life dystopia since I no longer have the means of bread and circuses to entertain me
>Is there salvation to be had?

>>108085247
And just in case anyone misinterprets this post, for the love of God DO NOT buy one. Not unless it gets investigated thoroughly. By the looks of it, I think they're debranded Gigabyte cards.

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the phanteks xt pro is underrated

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>>108084919
Still haven't done the hard lines on the GPU. I've slowly shifted to function over form.

>>108085328
what function do the lgbt lights serve?

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>>108085328
He's an older pic with a 3090.

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>>108085345
they look cool

>>108084879
Ayysus rog prices have dipped down hard since the release they are now discounted to same prices as the regular slop monitors with worse firmware and forced refreshes
they are finally buyable at like half the cost since release, atlast here
that sounds decently cheap though
still seems no one can compete with ayysus in general with the firmware and monitor functionality in general, even tho people complain about it being a buggy mess, still I don't know who beats ayysus in the monitor realm for oled anyway
(this advice is contingent on them not having any forced refresh like behavior)

nothing better is dropping soon anyway, turns out I should have boughted a 32" 4k 240hz qdoled and moved on long time ago, nothing fresh new is dropping

they will sandbag until they drop V-Stripe, improved brightness, 5k-6k res'es, 480hz 4k and so on, the copes never end

still wondering if 500hz is worth to to half your res for 1440p or not, but 4k content seems kinda valuable to lose, unless you multimonitor

1440p is kinda small desktop space too though, idk

>>108084904
SLOPPY

>>108084953
people complain ultrafast ips still can't compete with ancient TN monitors
oled is the only improvement if you don't like motion blur from TN
if you not strobe it up
strobing monitors seem hit and miss, some people glaze them some not
just like before some manufacturers have buggy strobing implementations meaning it turns off and you have to go into menu to enable it every time for some reason, unlike zowie
seems super annoying, much like oled pixel refresh timers, I am NOT dealing with that shit
having monitors that have annoyances with them before - never again
small problems because super annoying when you have to deal with them every single fucking day for the life time of the display
that garbage should just turn on and work - no bullshit

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>>108085151
Do we even have yuropoors here? I doubt they can even afford most PC parts now :(

>>108085354
so non?

>>108085345
Nothing. That's why a dumped the two 360 radiators and put a 200x400mm rad up top with a shroud and 200mm Noctua fans. It looks good enough and is really quiet.

>>108085354
what a mess

>>108085355
>>>nothing better is dropping soon anyway, turns out I should have boughted a 32" 4k 240hz qdoled and moved on long time ago, nothing fresh new is dropping

Yeah this is the boat I'm in. I don't know why they lag on 32" so much.

>>108085360
>haha, you can't goon yourself to shitty anime porn

oh wow how will i cope guess ill have to fuck real women poor me

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>>108085366
>Nothing. That's why a dumped the two 360 radiators and put a 200x400mm rad up top with a shroud and 200mm Noctua fans. It looks good enough and is really quiet.
Take the Mo-ra pill anon...

>>108085375
>yuropoor
>not gay
good one hon hon hon

>>108085360
>Watch NAfat techtuber claim he got one of the only Asus 5090 MATRIX'es in whole of NA
>Check my local retailer in country that is 3% of america population
>Have like 10 ROG matrixes in stock
NA Fats don't have money, Eurokings have money
simple as

>>108085360
I'm American. I have a pile of cash set aside just for building a PC. I refuse to pay these fucking prices for a GPU.
I could plant half an orchard for what this costs.

>>108085375
>guess ill have to fuck real women
>posts on /pcbg/
lole

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https://youtu.be/5JtF7f5Vtp4

So this is true then? FSR4 works fine on older AMD cards, a bit of a performance hit sure but that's the same with DLSS 4.5 on older Nvidia cards and AMD is just....not porting it? And there's a leak of the code out showing it runs just fine? Then AMD announces older cards are going into "maintenance mode"?

So old cards are stuck with FSR3 which is a lot worse than FSR4? Why would AMD do this?

>>108085399
steam machines bros we are so fucking back.

>>108085182
>1299
There will not be a single card available at that price. Simple as.

>>108085382
Notice how they are on the shelf and not in people's hands

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>>108085255
Usually 1080p. Some exceptions for earlier digital animation releases.

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OLED TAKEOVER

>>108085382
>in stock

>>108085381
>Take the Mo-ra pill anon
I wanted to, but a 200x400x40mm top and a 480x60mm bottom rad cool more than enough, and they fit in the case.

>>108085392
>I refuse to pay these fucking prices for a GPU.
just waiting for 2 years wont change anything though, you will be in the exact same posiiton

>>108085372
42"+ "monitor" segment has also been effectively killed, outside of ultrawides maybe
Samsung were focusing on ppimaxxing their panels I wonder if 32" will get like a 6k qdoled since the 27" 5k will come soon
but every new panel is coming with 27"
but the 32" qdoleds saw small improvements with 5 layer tandem and slightly higher brightness but no v stripe pattern this year
but the 32" tandem woleds will come out soon too, but no rgb stripe either
so these are two "new" options, wonder if it will be worth compared to just buying discounted older gen though

>>108085412
that was during the release, they are no longer in stock

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>>108085399
>Linux drivers being open source means that the open source drivers can just implement it

>>108085405
Yes it's an old pic but they are still less than a 5090.

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>>108085404
HOLD UP

>>108085255
always get highest quality sources
I remember getting 720p on slow internet before barely made a difference on 1080p monitor

>>108085430
not anymore

>>108085437
That's good for 0.3% of AMD customers

Will I ever be able to buy an x3d chip, an am5 mobo and 32gb of ddr5 for less than 500 dollars?

>>108085450
see>>108085404

>>108085450
I mean, great excuse to try out Linux. Especially if you were using Windows 11.

>>108085424
TN was the standard gaymen display then people forgot about pixel refreshesh, IPS got shilled as the standard, age of slop was upon us, TNs got obliterated from market, overtaken by even worse VA Slop, VA sloppers started shilling
now we return to pixel fastness with OLED again, it's a TN renaissance
one problem, all budget manfacturers need to abolish forced pixel refresh behavior, since it literally makes a whole ton of monitors unbuyable because the behavior is genuinely fucking aids
guess I'm not buying anything except Asus then
forced to join the republic
I'm tired trying to convince retard billion dollar companies they are retarded

>>108085451
depends on how long you're going to live

>>108085433
>42"+ "monitor" segment has also been effectively killed
Yeah because the TVs are good enough
"monitors" at those sizes are using the same exact panels as the TVs and we have broken the autistic notion that PCs must be connected to "monitors" and monitors must have displayport

If I wait for a black friday sale, what should I expect to pay for a good 32 inch QD OLED?

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>>108085444
>an entire cartel of which Microsoft is a part has manufactured a shortage to beat down something that could potentially be a threat to one of its members

>>108085483
black friday is an entire year of tariff roulette away

>>108084529
Does overlocking reduce the life span of hardware?

>>108085513
Well I'm sure as fuck not dropping $1200 on an OLED, that's for sure.

>>108085516
Only if (you) do it wrong.

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AYYMDEADPOORFAGS, OUR RESPONSE?

>>108085516
Probably
But does that mean from 30 years to 20 years, or 10 years to 5 years, or from 5 years to 1 year? There's not a definitive answer.

>>108085527
None buy AMD so no one cares.

>>108085524
Can you tell if you overclocked correctly before the CPU is on fire?

So is the 9600X3D/9700X3D still happening?

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>>108085524
the goal of overlocking is to get the best performance not the longest lifespan.
>>108085527
not using a pedo os

>>108085534
look for consensus about safe voltage levels and stay below that

>>108085535
Check back in a year from now

>>108085414
>>108085446
1080p it is then, thanks, friends.

>Spend all morning putting new pc together
>Won't detect my internet no matter what I do
Anyone have any advice? It's been years since I last built a pc.

>>108085585
download the drivers and copy them via usb
make sure your router doesnt have mac address filtering

>>108085535
watch it get stealth dropped like 1600af.

>>108085585
I had to do something for my x870e board to recognize ethernet, idr what though

>>108085599
or the 3300x that basically doesn't exist.

>>108085585
if you were using linux it would just work

>>108085516
That's a very nuanced question you can ask ayy eye about.
What you should be asking is why do you care, do you plan to overclock?

>>108085613
unless the kernel doesn't include them yet.

>>108085471
monitor manufcaturers could use hteir panels but only Samsung is relelaseing like 42" 48" Tvs as monitors
and forcing ACR

>>108085617
>do you plan to overclock?
If there's zero downsides and only upsides I don't see why not.

>>108085483
sales are the same now as they were on bf for me lol

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IT'S OVER

PACK IT UP BOYS

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>$589.99 for an RX 9070

>>108085637
>If there's zero downsides
You can't possibly go through life believing that's a thing.

Should I sell my PC (3080; 3700x, 32gb ram) and buy the Mac Mini M4 Pro instead? I'm kinda giving up on pc gaming and already have the ps5 pro. I feel like most modern games are more optimized on consoles anyway. My other main purpose: photo editing in LR; 4k video editing in Davinci; ableton live and a bit of blender modelling.

I have a mac at work and it's such a pleasure to use compared to windows. Not to mention that eletricity costs are 1/10 of my current gaming pc.

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PC building is gay

>>108085396
i get mad piussi bro

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>>108085527
They must know something we dont about what will happen soon, my take is at computex we'll probably see some big announcement on the nvidia side in terms of software features

>>108085667
thats a life choice you need to make for yourself
but if you do, skip the mini m4 pro and get a used mac studio

>>108085661
There's zero downsides to getting exercise.

>>108085673
>pre-builts

I am not a fucking retarded normie who is afraid of plugging components together so I will build my own.

>>108085677
he's just mad at amd because they called him wrong twice

>>108085661
Anyway I got shit to do instead of lead you on, the point is used goods have the chance that someone who knows better than you determined they were inferior.
The simplest example of this would be 2 chips, one that can hit 5ghz on 1.2 volts, and another (inferior) chip that needs 1.3, which means more heat and potentially a shorter lifespan depending on many other factors.
If you want a computer that runs and you are not chasing single digit performance things or power consumption, a used component is probably fine. If you don't like sloppy seconds and are trying to be on the bleeding edge it's likely your used gear won't win the silicon lottery

>>108085667
seems fine. if you're into consoles i don't see much reason to also have a gayming pc anyway, especially with the prospect of needing an upgrade in the current pricing environment

>>108085516
What are you doing that would cause physical damage to the components? Find the answer to this question to answer your own.

>>108085735
>t. thinks overclocking just means magic number goes up

>>108085648
Subscription PCs have been a thing since the 80s though

>>108085735
>What are you doing that would cause physical damage to the components?
Running more electrical current through them and degrading the metal they are made up faster.

>>108085673
you watch your mouth around Hank

>>108085667
If you are fine playing on consoles - go for it. I was in same spot and thought that macbook+xbox would be enough, turned out I absolutely hate aiming on controller. So now I have macbook, xbox, and I pay to jacketman regular monthly subs for ultimate plan on geforce now because I cannot embrace shit-tier controller experience over godly mkb. This is fucking dumb at this point and I legit consider buying a PC again, it is just that it is fucking impossible to do these days without selling a kidney. So think twice, or you might also find yourself regretting it all a few months down the line.

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it's over ltt bros...
https://youtu.be/iOC7-GPWxaU?t=13298

>>108085255
1080p + upscaler script

>>108085677
Enjoy your AI Bundle X3D

Overclocked for bragging rights, undervolt for everyday use.

>>108085790
Yep the only games I don't like on consoles are first person shooter. But there aren't many good ones these days anyway.. but yeah that's my biggest fear. Like Half Life 3 getting announced the moment I buy the mac.

>>108085815
overclock because I can

keep it there because I should

>>108085585
Your not using Wifi 7 and Windows 10 are you?

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I buy K series CPUs and leave them at stock...

>>108085585
Just download the driver-
oh wait, right

um check your mobo there's probably a USB drive with the drivers on it on there

>>108085689
>>108085689
>hurrr I can put legos together I am so special, mom my hot pocket is burning
Bet you can't change a tire pussy or do anything else mechanical

>>108085832
CPU AT STOCK
RAM OC'D
GPU UV'D (VRAM OC'D)

GET ON MY LEVEL

>>108085815
>undervolt
why

>>108085845
>>Bet you can't change a tire
lol that's the shit women brag about on tiktok
Still bragging about that as a man in big 26? ngmi

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I have a bunch of pc parts lying on my shelf so I decided I may as well build an ai server with around $1200 (I only need the cpu+cooler, mobo, psu and case) https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wxHJ7w

Is asrock really that bad? I usually go with asus parts, but the last mobo I got from them had some issues. I compared many boards and the asrock has exactly what I need, double x8 lanes for my gpus and a high quality audio codec in case I want to replace my main pc.
Also the website says the case may not fit the gpus, but it shows seven expansion slots?

>>108085597
>>108085833
Gotta go and get a flash drive I suppose. Looking at the bios, yeah they're old so it's a good idea to update them. Thanks fellas.
>>108085830
Nah I only use ethernet.

>>108085862
lower temps. higher boost. less noise.

>>108085677
Or, you know, they need content for their AMD viewerbase and can't put it off forever. As far as Computex goes it could be as low value of a bet as "they will reveal DLSS 5.0 which is just the current plus ray regeneration!". Which of course would put Radeon ever further behind if they have no answer for this exact topic of FSR4 compatibility with older cards.

>>108085873
>lower temps
inadequate cooler
>higher boost
inadequate cooler
>less noise
inadequate cooler
imagine pissing away easy performance gainz

>>108085886
x3d cpus boost higher with an undervolt. same goes for gpus.

>>108085867
So we know you contribute little to society, zoomer fuck and your entitlement

>>108085892
early x3d cpus are the expection due to the retarded die stacking
>same goes for gpus
>direct die gpus
imagine being this retarded.

>>108085908
i am stuck with the cooler the gpu comes with. i won't put a water block for an extra 200 bucks on it. undervolting is the best way to get more performance with air unless you got a 5090.

Is it okay to daisy chain two fans of different sizes together or does the rpm throw it off?

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>>108085917
>i am stuck with the cooler the gpu comes with
as i said, imagine being this retarded

>>108085918
its okay in that it won't break anything but you will get different rpm and only get the rpm reading from one of them

>>108085930
>buys an expesnive asus rog gpu
>removes the fans
coulda just bought a lower end one. you are the retard for paying the rog tax.

>>108085941
>he thinks a pic from google is my gpu stuck in my windowless system
imagine being this retarded

>>108085941
Might as well just bought a water block.

>>108085947
this. he is a fucking retard. at this point with acustom loop just stretch for a 5090 as well.

>>108085898
you are a bootlicker
the society you contribute to hates you and you know it

>>108085898
>contribute
more like getting exploited

>>108085976
My 5090 loves me.

>>108085997
i am sure the ai does as well

>>108086000
Who cares. It loves me and I feed it electricity so it keeps me warm all winter.

Is 4K gaming even worth it? As in, is the 5090 even capable of running everything smoothly at 4K max graphics? If not why the fuck does anyone even care about the 5090 lmao

>>108086031
i have been doing 4k gaming since i had a gtx 1070. 4k has been viable for a long time now.

>>108086031
1080p is good enough and most people are using dlss performance at 4k or oled phones which are 1080p high hz.

whats more important is panel accuracy. colors, brightness, no banding, etc.

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>>108085876
>>108085804
>>108085691
This video come one week after Nvidia invited several tech insiders into Munich for a confidential briefing about what is coming on april for computex https://www.techpowerup.com/346029/nvidia-confirms-dynamic-multi-frame-generation-and-6x-mode-arrive-in-april

I think we are getting a BIG new surprise, maybe not something that will becoming right away but probably something that they feel ready to announce

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>Newegg charging shipping on a $600 graphics card

>>108086056
Also the meettings started happen a few days ago

>>108086059
Amazon also charges shipping unless you have Prime

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I was almost certain it's a scam, but last night I ordered a 4 TB PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD for only 450$, which is MSRP price.

But the seller isn't even shipping it.

>>108085529
>Gaming innovations also spill into adjacent sectors, with CAD engineers and video editors specifying high-refresh panels to minimize cursor latency. Hospitals pilot curved ultrawide monitors in radiology suites to enhance anatomical visualization, borrowing lessons from immersive gaming layouts.

This report is wild, gamers basically drive all monitor innovation and then other markets see the tech and apply it to their use cases

>>108086121
Only on orders less than $35

>>108086157
it may or may not be
ebay sellers are notoriously lazy when it comes to shipping shit
they'll go on a day when they drop off all their other shit too no way will you get next day shipping off ebay especially on a weekend

>>108085857
Teach me on AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU
I've never done it and just finished a 9800+5070Ti build
MSI mobo

>>108086200
I think it's more so a scam because they are selling a $1300 SSD for $450.
But I'll have to see when/if I get my hands on it.

>>108086168
I have a feeling most of this shit is a stretch.
The ultrawide thing is telling as radiology departments have extremely specific and specialized monitors for such imaging, one of those being DICOM complaint screens.

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>>108085516
Depends on the component, but realistically tranmsient voltage spikes will fry your hardware way more than any overclock could do so you already are playing a completely blind lottery, if you got a "good" batch you could run an agressive OC and your shit will last your 20 years, while on a bad batch shit its gonna explode in 5 years regardless what you do and overclock may actually accelerate the proccess which may help you get RMA during warrant,y overall if you want min max hardware you just run an stable OC without increasing voltage on your GPU which will increase your chance of your GPU to shit the bed during the 3 year warranty period if its a badly binned chip or they fucked up on the proccess of manufacturing it, and as soon as the warranty is void you just look up to sell it and buy a new one if its a nvidia one you'll not need that much to upgrade as long as you are capable of selling it without getting scam, for CPU i never overclock though

Anons should I buy a 5090 now or wait til next gen?

>>108085399
Does FSR even matter anymore? Aren't fake frames the new thing.

>>108085868
If I was rich I'd just buy pretty motherboards and frame them and put them on my office wall
WHY ARE MOTHERBOARDS SO FUCKING SEXY?


>>108086231
Probably stolen TBF like most of eBay

>>108086260
no

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>>108086243
You're probably might but it seems there are some out there now.

>>108086200
>>108086231
$450 would be the right price 6 months ago
It should be mentioned lots of the price increases in RAM and SSDs are a retail phenomenon and not because the retailer actually paid more for them.

Nothing stopping an individual from selling at a more correct price, kinda fucking themselves but it's not at all a $1300 SSD because of how much it costs for a retailer to buy them

I have had it with this stupid ass wireless keyboard why did I even buy this shit

>>108086260
Buy the 5090 lightning anon

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LMAO what the fuck

>>108086331
I tried a wireless mouse and it was fantastic until I realized I had to charge it. The only problem with a wire is I am starting to run out of usb ports to plug external hard drives into and hubs tend to have shitty transfer speeds.

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>>108086260
by all accounts the next gen of cards has been pushed out for a very long time so if you somehow find a decent priced 5090 i think it's still fine to buy instead of try to wait it out. Just checked the discord server I used to get my founders edition a few months ago and it looks like there are still drops at msrp occasionally if you get lucky, although I suspect with current street prices these are going to be heavily botted

>>108085516
people are so shitty at computers in this thread
overvolting reduces component lifespan
undervolting extends component lifespan
overclocking doesn't affect it

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>>108086465
AI says overlocking does reduce the life span, no idea how accurate this is, though.

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hmm yes this surely is not a scam

>>108086495
read the image that you posted

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>>108086168
>gamers basically drive all monitor innovation and then other markets see the tech and apply it to their use cases
This is fact.

I used to work in the medical device manufacturing field - not little devices, either, think whole labs e.g. pic related is a clusterfuck of RTOS, Linux, and Windows hardware strung together with miles of wire and cooling loops for the X-ray device.

There are a substantial number of anons in the field who design these things that are also gamers and general high-dollar /consoomers/ of PC tech, so it's not a wonder that they maybe buy the user-grade stuff at home and start coming up with ideas and then asking for this new tech in the dev labs where it can be used for testing (no humans in the mix, for x-ray they use "phantoms" which are human skeletons encased in plexiglas).

>was an IT tech supporting these types of weirdos, have /pcbg/'d many proof-of-concept hardwares

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>>108086501
>surely

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>>108086503
I did.

>>108086558
it's the voltage that causes damage, not the clocks

>>108086558
The AI is assuming you're increasing voltage

when I get my hands on my 7800X3D on AM4 I will undervolt the cores individually and assuming it'll be a 5100mhz cpu I'll lock it at 5000mhz to get even crazier undervolts, things' gonna be running at .9v

>>108086565
increasing clock speeds will inherently increase current draw without undervolting, and that alone will increase degradation

>>108086608
How much did you take anon

>>108086619
it WILL happen

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>>108086627
come back and POST you larping faggot.

>>108086639
it will POST and it WILL BOOT

seriously though how do I negative CO PBO
I want a trusted guide vouched for not some random YouTube or AI article

gimme a breadcrumb lead

nvidia wont release gpus until 2028, I wonder if there's a gap for AMD to release rdna5 in early 2027 or late 2026 since we know it's already finished and win market share, the nerds say it'll be a good generation and blah blah blah, having a good product and a good opportunity to launch it could be a great boon for radeon

Is it even possible to build something faster than the M4 Mac Mini for $599?

>>108086711
you set the mode to negative instead of positive

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>>108086554

>>108086739
seems trustworthy goyim, buy it

>>108086711
Ryzen Master has an automatic curve optimizer feature and it does the hard work for you. It tests each core automatically and if one fails it reboots and tries again until all are done.

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>>108086813
>>Ryzen Master
buggy trash

>>108086834
>May 27

File Name
Version
Date
Size
Hash
AMD Ryzen Master.exe    
3.0.1.4819

December 9th, 2025

>>108086834
Not as buggy as Nvidia drivers on Linux & Windows 10\11 today.

>>108086813
i'd rather reboot and set everything myself.

AMD stock fell pretty bad despite being a hardware provider because the market is afraid of AI buildup not being profitable (it isn't), they have to work on good and cheap products that provide cash flow in 2026 and 2027 to offer a cushion for all the shady OpenAI deals that could snap at any time (they will)
but they are fucked because the RAM and storage prices will stop people from buying new PCs, so no CPUs and no GPUs will sell this year, it'll be a big dip compared to 2025
and that's why I think they'll delay zen 6 indefinetly and cut zen 4 production, they'll just sell zen 5 and re-ignite zen 3 production because there's an upgrade path for the CPUs on existing systems, they just need to release something new and better and I think they will

>>108086855
Post poor build.

>>108086910
Since NVIDIA and Intel are buddies now, will intel release a CPU worth a fuck?

>>108086923
intel will release nova lake which sounds like a great upgrade but it's a cpu + motherboard + ram combo (unless you already have ddr5 sticks) so I'm sure it'll be a terrible launch
I never cared for AMD having those many generations with the same socket thing but in this AI crunch it's a great advantage that people can just upgrade by buying a new cpu

it intel was smart they would sell bartlet lake for consumers (assuming it has hyperthreading) because it's a lga 1700 cpu that doesnt have joke ecores and run on ddr4, but intel isn't smart

>>108086951
>Unless you already have ddr5 sticks
That's one thing I actually have. I got a few sets before the apocalypse. I still don't trust AMD for a CPU despite their obvious speed superiority.

>>108086260
>wait 2 years or buy now
are you a real human bean

>>108086260
Next Gen?

>>108086031
people against 4k are like
>spout some random dogma from when monitors were low res and not running native made it look like shit
>knowledge from 2 decades ago
>it does not run the latest title maxed out at 240hz which makes 4k useless
>ignores all other 5000 games that it runs on plus all 4k content and dekstop browsing (which constitutes most of your usage unless you use your pc as a gaming console only)
running 4k from a fucking ancient laptop just fine
the real question is, do you want 500hz or not
but if you go 1440p you are trading off 4k clarity

>>108085584
get the 4k remux

>>108085516
if motherboard manufacturers increase voltage too much because you enable some oc setting for ram and cpu.. yes (infinite history of this happening time and time again)

>>108087058
go to bed monitor schizo

>>108086724
So how do I do this on BIOS? This is why I asked for a guide (that seems trustworthy) so I don't have to be spoonfed by anons here

I currently disabled PBO on the front page of my bios


>>108086813
>>108086849
>>108086834
yeah I'm not installing that
also got Nvidia GPU so I don't want issues

I'll just YouTube the undervolting using MSI afterburner for my GPU later since people say it's pretty idiot proof unlike CPU PBO/undervolting of the current and past

>>108087058
The issue is that 4K is pointless if you're going for regular monitor sizes.
You're not really getting a considerable quality improvement if you aren't going for 42" and above.
27"~32" 4K is a noob trap.

>>108087184
MSI afterburner is russian malware that bsods your computer in anticheats but then again so does Windows when it disconnects your NVME.

>>108085431
I salute you anon. I got tired of trying to cram shit in mine so I just bought a mid sized smallish case, put QD's on it, and went mora. The "my wife's son" sized one is for lan parties

I'm going to build my first PC soon.

Any suggestions on videos to watch to learn general PC building skills?
I know it's rather simple, but guides would be nice.

>>108087231
fud schizo

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>>108087262
Maybe Jayztwocents. He has some ok info for beginners, but be aware for anything really technical he is an entertainer first.

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>>108087262
If you are a retard be very careful about CPU/cooler mounting and seat your VHPWR-12 connector properly, and get a antisag

>>108087262
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-Xn2C_L1U

>>108087342
looks like they finally made the version in a white case so that everything can seen now.

>>108087330
>>108087338
>>108087342
Thank you. Will check these out.

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Received my 5060 Ti and knew it would operate at PCIE 5.0 8x speed but I was really surprised to see it actually is physically sized as an 8x instead of (fake) 16x so it could fit and clip the plastic locker nicely.

I pushed it into my PCIE 3.0 16x slot anyway and secured it by tightening the rear brackets to the maximum.

Is it something specific to my model? Am I safe here or is it kind of bullshit? To be clear I'm not talking about 8x operating okay on a 16x slot, I'm talking about a real world, material, physical 8x size connector clipped into a twice longer 16x slot.

>>108087184
>go to bed monitor schizo
that title belongs to another monitor schizo

>>108087204
it's not though
it's a paradaox
because you want higher ppi because also the pixel matrix of oled is so fucked
but at the same time you have harder time seeing small detail in game where it would be better since in larger sizes
but still you want more ppi on a desktop windows low ppi looks kinda... horrendous
if you are used to higher ppi it would feel even worse
like I can't believe how bad 1440p monitors look in 96-105ppi range even
140ppi+ is kinda a must if you don't want it looking ass

if you are a normie getting 4k 27-32" is way better than hzmaxxing for no reason

4k 240hz is the new standard simple as

only question remains, 27" or 32" since they botched everything else
also, 39"-45" 5k ultrawides, but at that point I'd prolly just get dual monitors instead idkk

serious question have you looked at 27"-32" 1440p vs 4k recently?

>>108087330
Wtf did I just watch.

>>108087395
It's fine, some models are like that.

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>>108087395
You are safe nigga that shit is just going to run at PCIe 3.0 x8 speeds.

I honestly couldn’t live with that shit

>>108087408
The dog whisperer getting tore up. There was a Lab that fucked him up real bad as well. He was way more pissed in that one.

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>>108087395
>vendors are so greedy they shave off one square inch of pcb to save 3 cents on a $500 card

>>108087423
>>108087439
>>108087457
Well I hate it! Thanks anons, at least it werks and I'm a happy camper. With a small frown if you zoom in.

>>108087473
Just use afterburner

>>108087406
1920x1440

>>108087452
I feel like its not as big of a deal if somebody who can't handle theor shot gets a small dog.

People who can't handle their dogs shit need to not get a fuck huge dog like a lab.

A weiner dog can sure as hell fuck somebody up, but a stupid dumb bitch with a bad Labrador can kill somebody.

>>108087508
>1920x1440
says nothiong about ppi thi

https://a.co/d/05GhjB4I

This ram good enough bros? Upgrading from 16gb. Thanks!

Is the 5070ti worth undervolting?

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>>108087395
I thought mechanical x8 slot gpus were a thing of the past, I guess they still exist in the low end sector.

>>108086263
>>108085868
It's a real beauty, I can't wait to build on it.

>>108087542
It's fine but comically overpriced. Was 120 just a month ago. Are you using all 4 dimm slots or just replacing the 16gb?

>>108087593
Replacing. I mostly play games from 2012 and as long as it's good enough for cyberpunk(for a friend) its fine by me really. Did you have a suggestion or perhaps I should grab 2 for a total of 4 sticks?

>>108087508
The Lab was horribly abused and the owners adopted it knowing the dog had problems. It still tore the shit out or Cesar, which was funny.

>>108087603
Oh you're fine. I was just asking since I actually have the same ram. 32gb is fine.

>>108086157
>he fell for the pcie 5 ssd scam

What is a good thing to buy right now?

>>108087439
I ran two quick FurMark 2 OpenGL Preset 1080 test and ended up with 188 FPS. I compared that to their chart and the average for 5060 Ti is 187 FPS.

Somehow from PCIE 5.0 8x to PCIE 3.0 8x isn't a big deal. I knew about PCIE 3.0 16x being a 1 to 4% drop but even 8x running in this ballpark is somewhat surprising.

I'm wondering about image generation or LLM though. Anyway I could test that? Or there's no reason for it to be any different?

AHHHHH I'M SICK OF 1440P THERE IS SO MUCH SHIMMERING IN EVERY MODE DLSS TAA DLAA IT DOESN'T MATTER

>grok won't write time stop stories anymore
>hardware is far too expensive to build for a local model
It is fucking OVER

>>108087757
the 7800x3d

>>108087768
Get a used 3090 and be patient.

>>108087750
It's okay, there are ebay returns.
Nigger who stole it still hasn't shipped it.

>>108087765
>fell for the 1440p two decade old res meme
have you tried supersampling?

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>>108087750
Not him but it was a good deal in retrospect.

>>108087838
The guy on eBay still has 4 more.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/358194750992

I bought two. One to use and one to try and resell.

>>108087764
>I'm wondering about image generation or LLM though. Anyway I could test that? Or there's no reason for it to be any different?
Depends if you can fully fit the model onto the vram. If yes you'll just see an increased model loading speed, the actual token interference won't be much slower. If it is split between several cards or dram the lower bandwith may be some bottleneck, but probably not that noticeable anyway.

>>108087765
DLDSR

>>108087765
Should have gone 4k.

>>108087886
Thanks anon. I'll keep the card then! Looks more like a cosmetic issue at this point.

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>>108084847
Why do I see a red light next to the RAM slot on my B850 Aorus Elite WiFi 7 motherboard every time I boot up my PC? It then goes away seconds later.

>>108087976
mem training/ context restore

>>108087976
like other anon said, memory training. some mobos has a led or they blink your power button.

>>108087976
The Chinese government is inside your computer stealing your data.

>>108087921
Mine is yellow on MSI and it's normal
Quick memory training
It's funny how anons scared me here that memory training would take 5 minutes or some shit but when I put it together the first boot was like 30 seconds tops to BIOS

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>>108085360
> now
We were smart, we bought when 64GB of fast RAM was just €235.

>>108088005
mines took 2 minutes but after that its up in 10 seconds

>>108087994
>>108087987
I have no idea what any of those mean. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? This is my first PC build, and all I did was follow the building steps from some guy on YouTube.

>>108088078
it's normal and to be expected. if you ever swap out your ram, clear your cmos, maybe update your bios or just switch around the ram sticks, your board is just going to show the red led longer until memory training has been completed. it's normal for ddr5.

>>108087590
> If M2_2 is occupied, both rear USB4 Type-C Ports and M2_2 will downgrade to x2 mode
> If M2_4 is occupied, both PCIE3 and M2_4 will downgrade to x2 mode.
Nice shitboard.

>>108088078
Computers have always done ram training but with DDR5 it takes longer to check all the extra signals. Before DDR5 RAM was just a dumb chip on a PCB. today they have PMICs, controllers, etc.

>>108088078
It's typical AMD dementia that forgets what ram its using totally normal btw, on AMD that is, Intel doesn't do any of that ram training memery.

Today was the first time I had to uninstall a windows update in 10 years of pc gaming. Anyway, at least I have the option. Can't imagine how annoying it must be when consoles have shitty updates.

>>108088113
just because intel's shit platform doesn't do those checks doesn't mean it's only a thing on am5. it was a choice to guarantee the most stability nigger.

>>108088113
It happens on Intel as well but it takes a minute instead of two. Intel does fewer POST checks but thats also why they crash more.

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I should have bought it now I'm depressed.

>>108088225
They were cancelling peoples orders, I doubt you would have got it.

>>108088255
Oh it was one of those things again. Corsair already got me once. This must be AI algorithms coming up with these crazy sales.

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>>108088255
> They were cancelling peoples orders
Too good to be true. I learned to ignore such "offers".

I'm already bored and the AI hardware winter just started, imagine that we'll have no new cool things for the next 2 years guys, what are we even going to do? play games? touch grass? have sex? that's for losers, I want to build computers, undervolt cpus and tune ram timings and I want it now

>>108088309
just get a full tower. dont bother with mid atx.

>>108088317
It's corsair ram, they're extreeeemely lucky to get canceled.

You couldn't pay me to use corsair.

>>108088309
> Voltage monitoring
Are you an autist? Do you need a PC just to stare at voltage readings through it's window?
You can have voltages monitored in software and set alarm limits so you don't get distracted by unnecessary shit that a program can do for you.

>>108085268
Why on earth is your TV actually connected to the Internet
Nobody fucking does that
Content plays on what is plugged into the TV, not the TV itself

>>108087765
TAA in all modern games looks like complete shit. Not making excuses for devs but that's just how it is now. DLAA is really the only half-good option. 4k doesn't fix that, it's just harder to notice the jaggies at such a bloated resolution.

looking at the bright side, zen 7 and whatever comes after nova lake will be on 1.4nm node and that will be a great time to upgrade because they are having a lot of trouble going lower than that so we might be in 1.4nm for more than one generation

>>108088368
per some yt. Realtime computer graphics typically refer to raytracing as ground truth (like real ray tracing, not "ray tracing" videocards do).

The consequence is that an artificial look is the standard for real.

But it's fake fake.

Real would be just looking at the real world and coming up with ways to make it look that way.

Much focus exists on accurate shadows. you don't need accurate shadows, you need convincing shadows. Much focus exists on realism as a step-down from accurate. realistic shadows - you don't need realistic shadows, you need convincing shadows.

realism is stupid, in at least most games. The only excepition is like maybe... puzzle games? idk.

Like we could imagine a new Thief game where rt shadows actually mattered. But actually the game was always better as an idea than in implementation.

>>108088368
Fuck TAA. Devs can't optimize for native high resolution to save their lives. Every engine has upscaling ham fisted into it and they expect you to use it. It pisses me off to no regard. Blurry fucking garbage.

>>108088414
The good news is we don't need new computers, because the new games all suck.>>108088426

>>108088426
do you use super resolution?

>>108088368
DLAA is still TAA. You can't avoid TAA because the alternatives are no AA (jaggies) or post processing AA that blurs the whole screen.

>>108087764
To my knowledge only the 8gb model was seeing noticable performance hits from the decision to go with x8.

>>108088444
I mean, for low poly or older shit yeah, are you saying to use super resolution and then TAA on top of it in general tho? I just feel like I could natively run some UE4 games at 4K, and now same games almost demand you use upscaling, look blurry as fuck, and run worse.

>>108088430
True, most modern titles I enjoy are roguelikes and shit that could run on toasters, or low poly games that just have clever mechanics, etc. AAA has been consistent slop for easily a decade if not longer

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>>108085667
>already have the ps5 pro

can anyone give me a qrd on (ryzen) processors?
the X3D ones seem to be the most highly recommended outside of some mobo compatibility issues. But they're quite a lot more expensive

Like a 7800X3D is ~$500 cad
I don't mind going for it if its worth or more future proof. But I can get a 7 7700X for ~$150 cheaper than that and there are other options in between. I probably don't want to go a whole lot cheaper since I still want a good upgrade.

Can someone put it all in retard-proof terms?

>>108088488
I was just thinking if the game won't let you turn it off, then use super resolution and that should nerf it, I guess. I've never tried it. ideally, game resolution and screen resolution would be independent.

>>108088541
x3d good for games

>>108088541
x3d performs well in games since they are so latency dependent + amd architecture is bad if you dont have large amount of l3 cache. You can buy budget am5 cpus and still get decent perf, but its more like stopgap to you eventually buying the proper x3d cpu.

if you can afford it you can buy 9800x3d as a more future proof option, but the pricing shouldnt go up since the ram price insanity means not many people are upgrading to am5 platform when the ram costs 500$

>>108088541
x3d makes shit games run good. that's it. with more shit games every year the x3d cpus are going to stay relevant. i guess stupid developer and stupid game engines can't fit everything they need in the 32mb of normal l3 cpu cache. that's why x3d performs so well. your cpu can only produce so many fps in games. you can see how many if you run a game at the lowest settings at 720p usually. usually 100fps (with really shitty ones) and over that with well made ones. the x3d cpus are future proof against shit games that are now not the norm but are going to be in the future.

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>>108088255
>>108088278
>Oh it was one of those things again
>>108088317
Pretty sure only the "late" orders were getting canceled. There was a similar situation a week ago where Newegg sold a kit of 96GB RAM, a 360mm AIO, a Z890 Motherboard and a 500GB SSD for $600. A bunch of people that ordered got canceled, but mine ended up being delivered because I bought immediately.

The bundles are real, just low stock, so if you think it's something you want/can use, don't bother waiting, just buy it.

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>>108088541
>Can someone put it all in retard-proof terms?
Buy the 9800X3D

That is all

>>108088426
Dynamic scaling means console users could have more cinematic slop on their platforms of choice with less effort on the devs part. It's not going away at this point so all we can do is adapt.

>>108088450
The blur is obnoxious but how bad it is depends on the game. Wukong looks like shit no matter what you do. Monster hunter looks much better with DLAA though.

>>108088606
thats a really shitty bundle.
the bundle was cancelled because the ram itself costs more than everything else

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>>108088636
>the ram itself costs more than everything else
That's what makes it worth buying. You can flip that stuff easily and the money you make can go towards actually buying something decent.

>>108085535
9800x3d is the 9700x3d

Sitting on a Intel 7900K with 64gb DDR4. I just got a 4090 from my brother (he makes a lot of money, I don't). What should I buy? I mainly play World of Warcraft and live in Europe.

>>108088798
wait for AM4 new X3D cpus, buy a mobo and the cpu

Are 9800x3d still burning up?
Did people ever figure out why?

>>108088872
very small numbers overall did
asrock gave a statement that said literally nothing about the reasons for it
you can buy msi/gigabyte mobos and so on

>>108088872
Failure rates are sub 2% from every source which is within the normal range and can be chalked up to tsmc manufacturing errors

>>108088898
these are all lies btw

>>108088872
They started exploding again right when the 9850X3D was launched. Several investigations have been announced by motherboard companies. AMD has still officially said nothing on the topic and never has.

>>108088882
>>108088898
>>108088915
So if I have an MSI board am I safe?

>>108088872
It's retards trying to OCing their CPUs and then wondering why they're blowing up.

>>108088932
you probably couldnt intentionally replicate the issue no matter the board or cpu you had

>>108088872
1000% mobo related.
cpus dont just burn on a dime they are told to do so and the motherboard is the one that controls the settings.

>>108088309
Yes that's smart
Use CPU cooler to filter on pcpartpicker
You can use Google AI to double check clearances
It worked for me with my case and CPU cooler it had like 8mm clearance between cooler and side of case

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>>108088932
There's no point fretting over a 1.5% failure rate. There's a greater chance of you receiving bad bin silicon that needs high voltages to run 6000 xmp ram than one that fails/blows up because of manufacturing defects

Someone bake before the Canadian trannyjeet posts his disinfo

>>108088606
Holy shit I need to stalk Newegg
If I find a combo like that I'll instant buy and buy another case and CPU so I can have two future proof PCs for the next 10 years

Goddamn I'm jealous

>>108089023
>>108089023
>>108089023

useless faggots

>>108089032
threads dont archive for several hours after hitting bump limit and can be used
you not understanding this must imply some sort of severe disability

>>108088606
how do you even monitor these deals? is it the sub options for the combos? Or just something that appears on the front page?

>>108089036
you MUST be new faggot
We have a Canadian tranny jeet that hijacks the OP and bakes early so we MUST make one early before they attempt to spread their fucked up disinfo OP template

>>108089032
were only on page 3
i prefer having active threads die at page 10

>>108089051
that smol pp currynigger doesnt matter since nobody reads the ops anyway

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>>108089036
gosh thanks for the lesson in newfaggotry, anon, i only just got online in 1985.

>>108089051
pic related, the mods actually seem to prefer a non-biased thread and have repeatedly crushed the brandwar ones. OFC all it does is enrage the shill, much kekking is had.

>>108089052
>>108089032
>useless faggots

>>108089059
all the regular troonanons read it just to seethe at any changes.

Long live the /pcbg/ circle-jerk. Next time a bake is needed one of (you) has to take a turn in the tent.

>>108089095
the shill has made the last few days of threads and I have done my diligence and nothing happened

>>108089059
we are still seeing new posters and old farts out of the loop drop by
it's good not to have a fucked up disinfo OP

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>>108089043
Reddit's r/buildapcsales is usually pretty good for getting alerts on these kind of deals. If you join the discord and opt into notifications for bundles you'll get a discord notification as soon as it's posted, which means you don't have to monitor anything yourself.
Also slickdeals has a similar function which can sometimes catch things reddit misses, but requires you to check manually.
>https://slickdeals.net/deals/memory/?filters[rating][]=all&filters[price][min]&filters[price][max]&sort=newest

I'm sure there are ways to automate the monitoring to make it even easier/more convenient, but the above methods are good enough 90% of the time. Just gotta remember to buy first, think second. You can always cancel or return the order if it ends up being not as good as you would like.

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>>108089119
>nothing happened
the only thing you can do is to report in accordance with the rules. shitposting while under the influence may result in bans.

>created a no-bias no self-delete thread
>got banned in it
>mfw

kek >>108089032 full of interior decorators.