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Previous thread: >>108092911
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I think I'll try emacs.
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>>108102273
Done.
I have no sources and no sinks now. What do? Can't it just automatically detect those for me?
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>>108102115
Whats the best nvme ssd to use with linux if the only thing i care about is durability/endurance?
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>>108102379
Is WirePlumber running?
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>>108102398
It literally doesn't matter. But Samsung has been one of the most reliable brands if you care about endurance.
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>>108102415
Will 990pro be fine then?
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Linux is kinda trash ngl, can't even use the software to control my AIO LCD screen, so it defaults to the factory image, can't even put any of my anime girl images on it. Back to windows I guess
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>>108102444
Yes, just check the firmware is up-to-date in Windows first.
(It's really unfortunate most SSD brands don't make firmware updating utilities for Linux).
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>>108102446
That's your AIO manufacturer's fault for using some proprietary shit. There are some screens that literally show up as an external monitor so you could put absolutely anything on them.
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>>108102480

Nah, Linux just doesn't work as good as windows unfortunately.
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>>108102511
It's literally a problem with the manufacturers using proprietary crap for everything. Liquidctl exists but they have to reverse engineer everything.
Look at this crap:
>## Screen
>
>Not supported yet.
>
>It appears that the AIO relies on the host to continuously provide an H.264 stream through the HID channel. However, all other features function correctly even without screen configuration.
https://github.com/liquidctl/liquidctl/commit/42a0022daff6046df25bbe5b0db2e53927dcef15

So instead of showing up like a normal fucking monitor your machine has to encode a fucking video to send to it via some side-channel all of the time. Utterly ridiculous.
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>>108102411
Forgot to restart it. That's sorted out now.
Anything else I should do to migrate? Any PA junk I can get rid off now? Anything else PW needs that I should have? I have pipewire-audio and pipewire-alsa installed as well.
Now all my pactl commands are gonna turn into wpctl equivalents, right? What about pavucontrol? Do I substitute that for pwvucontrol? Anything else I'm forgetting?
For some reason my waybar modules for pulseaudio still work just fine, is that supposed to happen? They have a default module for wireplumber, I could switch to that (but I'm lasy and would rather now unless there's a reason to).
I haven't rebooted either, I just stopped PA service and enabled/started PW services.
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>>108102511
lol'd. I'd give this bait 2/10 for being at least somewhat funny
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>>108102480
>>108102511
I am so tired of brainlets blaming Linux for not solving problems (for free) caused by the sheer neglect of random 3rd parties.

You goycattle deserve spyware.
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>>108102463
Thanks anon.
Updating the firmware once will be enough? Don't really want to have to find a way to boot windows on a regular basis when i don't plan on dual booting.
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>>108102588
Should be. It may already be up-to-date but its always worth checking. My 990 Pro had an issue that got fixed with a firmware update. Updates a rare, they only really come up when something drastically needs addressing for stability, etc.
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Really new to Linux (Using CachyOS). I spent that last two hours trying to understand AppImage so I can get LM Studio running and also trying to get Node.js for SillyTavern to work.
So far, everything is working as intended, but I hope I don't have to mess with package managers anymore.
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>>108102642
>spent that last two hours trying to understand AppImage
What is there to understand? It's essentially a "portable .exe".
>also trying to get Node.js
https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm?tab=readme-ov-file#installing-and-updating
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>>108102642
I'm not sure what there is to understand. I recently just installed arch on a drive to test out that stuff and just followed the github install instructions for koboldcpp and sillytavern
literally copy pasted the commands they have on the github page.
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>>108102726
Thats the thing though! It was supposed to act like a portable .exe, but it didn't open! It took me a while to understand AppImage needed me to install fuse2, so I went to the package manager, installed it, rebooted, then it finally worked. You know this by heart, but I didn't.
Same with node.js. How the hell was I supposed to know about NVM? I only found out about it while looking at the node.js website, and it too was in the package manager just waiting for me to install it.
>>108102752
SillyTavern was the easy part. That actually worked, it just didn't want to open with node.js. Still, I got it working finally.
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One of the only things i dont like about kde is the start menu i prefer the old deprecated one they used to have at the start of plasma 5.
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>>108102799
Right Click -> Show alternatives

There are still two different styles you can choose from.
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>>108102852
Neither of those are the old one that they used to have in the early plasma 5 days.
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>>108102398

likely one that is mentioned in efiboot secureboot distro chats
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>>108102588
>>108102463
You don't need Windows to update the firmware on Samsung's NVMEs btw, they offer auto updaters in .ISO format.
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>>108102446
>>108102511
>a screen on your heatsink to display images and videos of anime girls
This might be the most niggerlicious thing I've ever heard of
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>>108102534
In all fairness showing up as a regular monitor would require mass pin-out, which is ++cost. Cheaper by far to rig something with a serial interface. Though not providing programming docs for something like that is inexcusable nigger behavior. What, is someone going to steal your amazing idea to stream video?
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>>108103022
That's good to know. I never really looked into it since I have a Windows install on a different drive anyway.
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>>108102790
I didn't know that either, but the first time I tried to run an appimage it complained about missing fuse2, any google search or just arch wiki search would tell you what to do.
I highly recommend running something through the terminal if it doesn't work, because you can see error messages easily like that. The reason I don't like advice like "you don't need to use the terminal" is that it makes life harder the moment you run into the slightest hitch
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>>108103186
Don't these all use USB? Can that not show up as a monitor somehow?
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>>108102790
>AppImage needed me to install fuse2
Normally many distros still ship with it. But yes, it's a package which is required for appimages. The reason some distros stopped shipping with it is because it's unmaintained so any security issues it has will never be fixed.
>it too was in the package manager just waiting for me to install it.
I'll be honest, it's not something you should install with a package manager.
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i work with windows at home on a work laptop, after work i play gaymes, but i want to quit those and take up another hobby, which linux distro i could jump into to learn tinkering and some linux stuff? i only ever used mint and arch for a while, but once i rebooted arch and had a black screen, then no volume.
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>>108103594
if you don't want to go back to arch then jump into fedora kinoite and fuck around with atomic distros
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When does Gentoo become profitable?
Ever?
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Installing Fedora for the first time on a desktop, should I bother with drive encryption? I'm only slightly paranoid about feds but don't want to make performance worse
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>>108104021
I only did it for laptops. Not sure if that was best practice.
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I'm a macfag planning to move to Linux. I need help to find a distro or desktop that provides alternatives to these apps:
>Quick Look
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_Look
This is an app that lets you preview images, audio, videos, documents, text files, PDF and other files without having to open them in separate programs by simply pressing space while having the file(s) selected. It also has a split view mode to compare images. This is the tool I miss the most when I'm forced to use windows, so I'm willing to use a specific desktop if it has this feature available.

>Preview
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preview_(Apple)
This is a 2-in-1 app to view images and PDF files with basic editing tools. As an image editor it can crop, cut, resize and rotate images, add text, shapes and pasted images, view the individual frames of animated images, and export in multiple formats. As a PDF editor it can extract pages, reorder pages, combine documents by dragging pages from one to other, and add signatures, shapes, text and images. I guess in this case I'd need two separate apps, with a good PDF editor being the most important of the two.

>Wineskin/Sikarugir
https://github.com/The-Wineskin-Project
https://github.com/Sikarugir-App
This is a GUI tool for configuring and managing Wine and its engines that can turn the installed windows software into .app mac apps that can run in any mac. In this case I'm looking for something that lets me install and configure Wine with ease so I can use it on certain apps and games.

>VMWare Fusion
I may need to run windows in a VM for certain things that can't be done with Wine, so I'd appreciate if you tell me about a VM tool that is just "download the installer and press next" without having to open the terminal or make too many changes to the internals of the OS.

Additionally I'd like to ask which distros have an easier time detecting and configuring printers and scanners, preferably with graphical interfaces to manage them.
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I'm kinda enjoying working with lvm
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>>108102536
Not him but...
>Anything else I should do to migrate? Any PA junk I can get rid off now?
You can get rid of all PA config files
>Anything else PW needs that I should have?
There are other optional deps in case you need them, such as pipewire-jack, pipewire-v4l2, etc.
>Now all my pactl commands are gonna turn into wpctl equivalents, right? What about pavucontrol? Do I substitute that for pwvucontrol? Anything else I'm forgetting?
If you have pipewire-pulse installed pactl and pavucontrol will work perfectlt OOTB on PW, no need to change anything
>For some reason my waybar modules for pulseaudio still work just fine, is that supposed to happen?
I'm assuming It's Pipewire running libpulse in the background. Should be fine to leave as is

You should be good to go but I recommend disabling node suspension to avoid audio pops and cracks:

~/.config/wireplumber/wireplumber.conf.d/disable-suspension.conf

monitor.alsa.rules = [
{
matches = [
{
# Matches all sources
node.name = "~alsa_input.*"
},
{
# Matches all sinks
node.name = "~alsa_output.*"
}
]
actions = {
update-props = {
session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0
}
}
}
]
# bluetooth devices
monitor.bluez.rules = [
{
matches = [
{
# Matches all sources
node.name = "~bluez_input.*"
},
{
# Matches all sinks
node.name = "~bluez_output.*"
}
]
actions = {
update-props = {
session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0
}
}
}
]

Then either restart pipewire.service and wireplumber.service or reboot the PC and you'll never have any audio issues on Linux ever again. Look into other configs on the Arch wiki if you want more specialized setups (realtime, JACK latency, etc.)
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>>108102115
Kill every wayland developer NOW
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>>108104644
I'm not having any pops or crack so far, is there any disadvantage to disabling node suspension just to make sure?
Also while audio output works flawlessly so far, audio input which is what I was trying to fix by switching still doesn't work. Microphone just doesn't work at all.
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>>108104368
>I need help to find a distro or desktop that provides alternatives to these apps
not exactly how this works
yes you have repositories for your apps for your distro
but you can also use flatpaks (given official ones exist), appimages(same thing) and snaps (dont use these)
also you can always cumpile things from source (easier than you'd think given you are capable of actually reading in english)

>Quick Look
>lets you preview
preview where? in file manager?

>Wineskin/Sikarugir
steam(yes really), bottles, playonlinux(if its still alive), there is probably a million other ones
i can recommend bottles

>VMWare Fusion
generally speaking people use things like qemu, xen and KVM
they have frontends and shit

>Additionally I'd like to ask which distros have an easier time detecting and configuring printers and scanners
oh man oh boy...
you can try the ones that sell themselves as pro/office distributions like fedora and ubuntu and the likes
but that wont guarantee that you will be lucky

generally you can take a looksies here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications
https://alternativeto.net/platform/linux/
should find something you are looking for
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>>108104368
also devs sometimes just straight up distribute generic executables windows style from their website
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>>108105116
>preview where? in file manager?
Yes. It's like the preview panel windows has on the right side of the explorer, except that it opens the files in a special window instead of taking space in the explorer. Pic related.

>generally speaking people use things like qemu, xen and KVM
>they have frontends and shit
Which one has the easiest installation and setup process?

>oh man oh boy...
I read that Linux has the same CUPS thing that macs have and use to connect to printers and scanners without drivers. Shouldn't they have the same amount of compatibility and ease of use?

Also what about image and PDF editors?
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>>108104368
>This is an app that lets you preview images, audio, videos, documents, text files, PDF and other files without having to open them in separate programs
Don't all file managers have that nowadays? Fuck, I use yazi (terminal based) and even I have that (doesn't work with videos obviously, but still).
>>108105484
>opens a whole new window instead of doing it in the explorer itself
I'd bet OP's mum that feh or imv are both faster than this thing.
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>>108105484
>Which one has the easiest installation and setup process
couldnt tell you
i rawdog them in CLI
yes you do get skillchecked hardcore first few times but its a massive timesaver and much more convenient interface to just have a command in a script file

a couple of years ago i was using virt-manager (or whatever its called)
i think it had a bug? but still was usable? i might be misremembering though

generally you just sudo [package manager] [install flags] [frontend name] and then it pulls the virtual machine as a dependency and then you just launch it and then it just works
will ask for a password tho

>I read that Linux has the same CUPS thing that macs have and use to connect to printers and scanners without drivers
yea but ive read its an achilles heel of the linux world
and my personal experience confirms it

but then again, printer at my work worked perfectly fine and i did eventually made my printer work
maybe i was just unlucky and maybe its the same thing as GPUs: almost all of them work but occasionally there is one or two that dont or do poorly and its considered to be a problem

>Also what about image and PDF editors?
i guess the links on arch wiki are a bit confusing so i will just link you the list instead of telling you to RTFM:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PDF,_PS_and_DjVu#Graphical_PDF_editing
i dont know which one you will like the most obviously, thats up to you
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>>108105484
and to be fair the hardest part with VM's isnt general set up, its figuring out what type of GPU and network card emulation you should use for your super specific use case and in my experience no matter what VM you are using - be that open source or commercial one - its anal equally everywhere
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$ what-cmd "ffmpeg command to do something something something"

$ ffmpeg -a c:v etc


something like this exist? a simple cli that shits out just the command i might need without the ai writing an essay? i guess it could be fairly easy to make but i'm not sure how reliable system prompts are, im not very familiar with ai. can i just tell the llm to not meander and just give me what i want?
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>>108106016
it'd tell you command itself or flags for that command?
because the second one is just
 man command 
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whats the best software to reduce video file size?
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>>108101660
GIMP supports layer effects, but won't convert existing ones from .PSD files. Just recreate them if you have existing documents
>>108102268
Nigga are you on Ubuntu 12.04? How is Pipewire not already installed on your system?
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>>108106182
Arch.
Last year when I asked /fglt/ during setup someone said pulseaudio.
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>>108106030
the command itself

i basically want a cli that can connect to my llm (locally or cloud) and use the string as the user's prompt, with the system prompt being something like "don't explain just output the command" so i dont have to leave the terminal
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After trying to create my own GTK3 theme I now fucking hate GTK3 with every fiber of my being
What a big fucking pile of shit, I have to spend hours reading documentation to style some basic ass shit that's hidden behind some obscure option like -GtkScrolledWindow-scrollbar-spacing and even worse some CSS nodes have really weird behavior like styling treeview or iconview will cause some hidden nodes to be styled that you have no control over, oh and by the way the CSS in GTK3 is not as fully fledged out as web CSS so don't expect any functions like has(), is(), and(), ...etc to work.
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>>108106257
Qt or bust.
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>>108106257
Editing gtk3 themes is tedious enough, I can only imagine how horrible it would be to create one from scratch.
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>>108105732
Damn, it sucks that there doesn't seem to be a1-click way to have a fully functional VM. I'll try QEMU when I get the chance. Also thanks for the list of PDF editors.
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>>108106216
well in the example you are asking for flags essentially

in order to do something like that it should know what exists in your $PATH (obviously)
unless you want it to tell you if there is ANY command like that even if program isnt currently installed
maybe if you feed it every manpage there is and tell it to use them as a reference point? dunno
i think ive seen AI terminal emulator somewhere but its such a fucking slop in my eyes that i didnt check it out and never will

if its a command that you are using periodically its cheaper (computations wise), easier and more reliable to just make a script
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>>108106286
it's not that hard at first, you mostly just use GTK inspector and style based on nodes, but then you realize there are little things that GTK inspector can't show you and then you have to resort to reading documentation and even that may not contain any useful info. For example I still have no fucking idea how to control the titlebar height for dialog windows that use client side decorations, nothing seems to make it narrower so I accepted that CSD dialog windows will always have a fat titlebar
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>>108106300
>there doesn't seem to be a1-click way to have a fully functional VM
just try one of these front ends and see for yourself, its not like they cost money or hard to install/delete
their purpose is to retard proof VM's, im sure one of them will do
virt-manager was essentially "one click" as far as i remember, pretty much the same as virtualbox
also for windows there is this winboat thing that has been popular recently
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Just bought a GL-MT6000 for Open-WRT, is the 25.12RC4 stable enough or should I just install the 24 release?
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>>108106300
As the other anon said, virt-manager is pretty simple to get set up.
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Is Linux still the "just works" distro or has the meta changed in the last 5 years? I keep seeing people comment about the wonders of distros named Bazzite and CatchyOS.
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>>108106620
Linux is the kernel anon. The ones most users are drifting towards right now are Mint, Arch, EndeavourOS/CachyOS (Arch with an easy installer/Arch with kernel tweaks), Fedora or Bazzite/Aurora (Immutable Fedora spins.)
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Cyberpunk path tracing works flawlessly on Mint out of the box for me, on a 4080. And I get higher fps than I had on Windows. I genuinely didn't expect this, wtf?
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>>108106016
cht.sh
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>>108104644
>>108104924
HOLY FUCK
I just managed to get the microphone to work on whatsapp web for the first time since I installed arch.
Why the fuck does pulseaudio even exist, this shit is great.
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>>108106860
Pulseaudio was the main audio server on Linux for years. Pipewire is the replacement that also has a Pulseaudio emulation layer so shit that relies on it still works.
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>>108106874
I didn't have to reconfigure waybar modules, mpd, rmpc, or they keyboard special keys that deal with audio.
AND I now have a working microphone. Granted took some fiddling to get that working but no amount of workarounds and tutorials fixed it on pulse. This is huge.
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>>108106895
years ago i despised pulse with burning fashion
glad nothing has changed
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>>108104368
>This is an app that lets you preview images, audio, videos, documents, text files, PDF and other files without having to open them in separate programs
Linux solves this by the viewer applications being stupidly fast to open, especially mpv (for images/videos).
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>>108106929
I understand the reason behind the preview vs open dichotomy because many apps try to do too much.
>want to look at some random file in the ass end of nowhere
>open it
>app puts up splash screen and slowly loads your config and entire previous session
>beyond being slow, now the random ass file contaminates your session and recent files list
on Windows I remember my notepad++ session sometimes being littered by random files to the point they outnumbered the files I was actually working on.
It makes sense to have two associations for files, the stateless quick viewer that just looks at the file and the heavy one that does advanced shit. Of course "preview" is still launching an app to open the file but in spirit it's different. Thankfully linux has a lot of those quick apps available.
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>>108106257
Gtk3/4 theming is hostile on purpose because the foot negroes are trying to force everyone to use Adwaita instead of custom themes.

>>108105484
Yeah CUPS actually works pretty well these days. Anything that supports AirPrint will work driverlessly with Linux.
>Which one has the easiest installation and setup process?
KVM is built into the kernel by default, like the Virtualization Framework on Macs. Install "virt-manager" and you get a GUI.

>Also what about image and PDF editors?
GIMP for general purpose raster editing, Inkscape for vector editing, Krita for art, OpenToonz for animation (Studio Ghibli open sourced it a few years back!), Darktable for RAW editing, Blender for 3D.

PDF *editing* like you'd do with the full version of Adobe Acrobat is best done with Master PDF Editor which is proprietary and costs money, but it'll work against big ugly hairy federal documents like the SF-86.
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>>108102115
Why does /g/ say that systemd is le bad?
I've used it for basic stuff and so far so good
>>
Debian seems really solid in every way but has outdated drivers which is a big deal especially for Nvidia since their buggy shit has gotten a little less buggy. Arch is up to date but honestly kind of a nightmare for a newfag to micromanage. I wanted a middle ground distro so I tried Ultramarine which is supposed to basically be Fedora + post setup done for you after I saw some anons recommend it and honestly my experience was kinda shit. Went with KDE and it felt more sluggish than KDE on Debian for some reason. Also it's supposed to install Nvidia drivers automatically but it didn't so I had to manually install them.
And then, the way other DEs work with this distro is that there's this "Hop" program that can install/uninstall/change environments.
>Choose to install Xfce, Hop downloads packages, says it's done and I can reboot
>Reboot
>Updating, please don't turn off the computer
>Done
>SDDM does not have a DE selection of any kind
>Log in, it's KDE again
>Launch Hop again and select the third option that is just changing environment without installing one
>Select Xfce, it says success
>Reboot again, SDDM doesn't have any selection, log in, it's KDE again
Fucking hell. Since I have not tried plain Fedora I might do that next and see if it's headache free.
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>>108107002
Yeah, we don't do much of that bloat here. It's in the Unix philosophy. I'm on a third gen i5, it takes less than half a second to open an animu episode on mpv. It's very quick.
if you want you can get your fancy software with Bloat™ and there's always KDE if you want even more bloat on your bloat, but that isn't the rule.
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>>108107135
a lot of random shit
more random shit - more attack vectors
more random shit - harder to audit
also tries to replace every fucking tool in the system and personally i dont want to use systemd/linux i want to use GNU/linux
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>>108107190
Works on my machine.
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>>108107201
yea no fucking shit it does
otherwise everyone wouldve used openrc

i also couldve touched the red hat(sunsidiery of IBM) and potteringware subjects but that is way too shizo (based) of a topic for you
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>>108107233
Not him, hit me with all your schizophrenia. Don't hold back.
I use because it's what arch ships with and I never bothered looking into. I like that I can get easy guides for it on the internet but I get the point about it having too much random shit bundled together.
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>>108107160
>Debian seems really solid in every way but has outdated drivers
enable the backports repo and install kernel+mesa+nvidia from it
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>>108107291
Even with backports it's still on the 550 NVIDIA driver. In terms of framerates it's a margin of error difference with the 580 driver but in terms of desktop stability the 580 driver is a lot better.
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>>108107160
>Also it's supposed to install Nvidia drivers automatically but it didn't so I had to manually install them.
It only auto-installs them if you connect to the internet during the install. Also, Xfce is deprecated.
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>>108107160
Did you install LightDM?
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>>108107313
Wayland has that shitty flicker problem on 550 still. It's gone in 580 (I believe it was fixed in 555). And before you say use X11 I have one monitor 144 Hz and one 60 Hz and it is kind of a shitshow on X11.
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>>108107160
>nightmare for a newfag to micromanage
What's there to micromanage exactly? It's a binary distro just like Debian. Besides don't both Debian and Arch require loads of setting up?
>>108106300
>a1-click way to have a fully functional VM
VM settings vary depending on the guest OS, you want to tweak them regardless.
Like for Windows guests you want to give it the VirtIO driver CD and a VirtIO disk drive instead of emulating SATA like a retard.
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>>108107331
I didn't but it really made it seem like I shouldn't need to. Even the Wiki makes no mention of it. Also on Debian I was able to change the DE on SDDM no problem without having to install LightDM (I did the same of first installing KDE and then adding Xfce).

>>108107318
I had internet the whole time tho.
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>>108107160
That's because changing your desktop environment on Fedora isn't as simple as installing the package. You need to run this:
sudo dnf swap ultramarine-release-identity-kde.noarch ultramarine-release-identity-xfce.noarch

Otherwise, dnf is going to reinstall KDE every time.
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>>108107342
Both require some setup but on Arch even after being "done" I had shit break regularly, usually from updating and then having to figure out what is wrong. Admittedly I haven't tested Debian long enough to say this won't happen there but literally everyone is saying it won't as it's the tradeoff for old packages, they actually vet them REALLY carefully so I think the chances are low.
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>>108107267
other anons like to post conspiracies about companies like red had and canonical and how they are essentially EEE (look up EEE microsoft) by corpos or glow or whatever

im not quite that prone to shizo-ing out but i do agree with them to a degree
you have all these projects that are sponsored/under the wing of some corpo or a large company and that can be an attack vector/liability
i did mention EEE earlier and that is a good example of why you should be vigilant of that type of faggotry

another side is all these companies/projects are pretty sloppy slop
quite often you will see them being maintained by people who use macbooks, and if you arent even using your own project even tho it is often a desktop oriented one then how can i trust you are doing a proper job at testing it or even giving a shit about what you are doing

and on a personal side pottering is just a massive homosexual
>creates an init system that (to be honest) does solve some of the old init systems problems but ignores bugs and issues that people have with it
>makes systemd a dependency for pulseaudio for no reason other than to promote his shit further
>calls for centralization of linux ecosystem
>while also against POSIX (aka one of the most important standards in the ecosystem)
>tries to bring "move fast and break things" faggotry to linux ecosystem (gets btfo'd by Stallman and Torvalds is that one conference)
>fucks off to microsoft (essentially uses FOSS community as a stepping stone in his career)
fucker is one of these silicone valley startup cocksuckers but a rat version of that
he's a careerist bitch and nothing but a liability to whatever community hes in
in fact hes such a fucking roach that people shizopost about him possibly being a MS plant
and who knows maybe they are right, with this epstein shit i wouldnt be surprised anymore
hes also a type of person to cooperate with glowies the way FAGMAN corpos did (google PRISM)
so i'd prefer to not use his software
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>>108107355
Weird that they would make a specific tool for managing DEs and tell you to use it and not make any mention of having to run commands in addition on the Wiki but I will save this for when I try base Fedora later.
Another anon already wrote all the stuff for installing codecs and what not that needs to be done compared to Ultramarine.
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>>108107383
Well, I don't think I can switch init systems without reinstalling the OS so I probably won't do that but what are the other alternatives around and are they any better?
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>>108107386
>Weird that they would make a specific tool for managing DEs
Fedora did this to prevent retards from getting GNOMEd
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>>108107383
>while also against POSIX
How does POSIX help me watch porn and play video games
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>>108107463
I'm on F43 and yeah, reading their forum for a while made to realize what a cluster fuck it is. I don't have particular issues except some small stuff in journalctl but I'm unhappy about the way they are handling nvidia drivers.
Also surprised that seems like linux Wacom support is total garbage in 2026... luckily I don't depend on it and don't have my tablet even installed yet.
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>>108107446
second most popular one is openrc
given that its a default in like half of the distributions out there id say its pretty solid
>I don't think I can switch init systems without reinstalling the OS
if you know enough black magic you can turn one distribution into another "in place" (without even rebooting)
ive personally once converted arch install into artix one using their script(did have to restart tho)
and i did somehow fuck up my glibc library (it was the wrong version for some reason?) but it got solved pretty trivially with arch-chroot and updating (ironically)

but you dont need to worry about any of that
this is the type of autism you should be subjecting yourself to when nothing im telling you would be anything new to you
at any point in time you should understand what you want and how to get it and not just be doing some random shit for shits and giggles
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>>108107482
by allowing developers to focus on developing their app instead of supporting every single possible fucking platform?
do you want your devs to maintain 3000 different versions of your browser?
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>>108107486
This is actually one of the nice benefits of an Atomic distro. Switching DEs is one
rpm-ostree rebase
or
bootc switch
away. I've bounced across half a dozen Fedora Atomic base images over the years without having to reinstall from scratch. Right now I'm running Vauxite (Xfce based).
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>>108107520
I installed Xfce4 spin but then ended up using plain window manager instead. Thunar is a good file manager though, but it crashes from time to time, not sure why, maybe my gtk theme is bugged.
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>>108107573
Thunar depends on some other Xfce services to work right, which you may not have running in your plain WM setup.
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>>108102536
>Any PA junk I can get rid off now?
If you have any of the pulseaudio server packages (basically /usr/bin/pulseaudio and that's it) installed then you can ditch those. The client libraries are still needed though and you may also want to keep the utilities that contain pactl, etc.
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>>108107576
It was crashing in xfce4 already. I'm not a noob. Besides, I could install thunar on Arch it most certainly doesn't need any specific xfce4 services.
Polkit authentication is a different thing.
Where do people get these delusional ideas from? I always forget I should not post in these Linux threads. Luckily these captchas are doing a pretty good job at preventing me from posting anyways
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>>108104368
>Quick Look
Linux doesn't really need this because most file managers support media thumbnails unlike Windows Explorer which doesn't render them for most video files, pdfs, svgs, etc. And they can be configured to display previews in a sidebar (some do by default). So I'm not sure if there's any additional "quick look" app which opens a separate window since nobody ever needed this feature.
>Preview
Look through all these and see what you need: https://flathub.org/en/apps/search?q=pdf
>Wineskin/Sikarugir
Bottles
>VMWare Fusion
Pretty sure VMWare is supported, but otherwise virt-manager is the standard. Just install it and that's it, no additional setup required unless you want to do a GPU passthrough.
>Additionally I'd like to ask which distros have an easier time detecting and configuring printers and scanners
All of them. More recent hardware will just need recent kernel versions which will come to Arch/Fedora distros first. But you can manually install them on any distro.
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>>108107932
Virt-Manager can import VMDK files and OVF/OVA appliances. There's no need to ever use VMWare on Linux.
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What is the best Loonix distro if I just wanna go to Pornhub?
I just wanna goon in peace with no "Please update your computer" messages.
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>>108108030
Linux by default will not nag you for updates. Some noob distros do, but you can turn it off and it will stay off.
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>>108107135
There's a reason it's a standard, it's good. People just want to be contrarians.

>>108107160
Just install CachyOS or Bazzite like most new users did.
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>>108107932
vmware has a linux version if you really need it, but yea just use virt-manager. it's fully gui-driven, easy to use, can import vm's from other vm software, and has an iso you can attach to a windows vm to install all the necessary drivers like any other major vm tool
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>>108107517
>do you want your devs to maintain 3000 different versions of your browser?
I'm fine with trusting distro maintainers
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>>108108165
>move away from windows and mac because you don't want a single entity control which software you can use and which versions you can use
>move to linux and end up using an OS where a single entity controls which software you can use and which versions you can use
brilliant
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>>108107383
>>while also against POSIX (aka one of the most important standards in the ecosystem)
>>108107482
>How does POSIX help me watch porn and play video games
It doesn't. In reality it's all of the GNU extensions in Glibc and Coreutils that make it usable. We'd all be using FreeBSD otherwise.
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>>108108205
No, I moved away from Windows because it's bloated and has very poor stability.
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>>108108210
Not to mention Windows is spyware
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>>108108205
can you point to the entity which controls which distro i use?
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>>108108035
automatic updates are a good default to be fair, especially for distros aimed at casual users, because in general it's not a good idea to leave a machine out of date for too long, and casual users don't really understand this and need to be told when to do it.
i doubt there's any distros that straight up won't let you turn it off permanently like windows however. after all, microsoft has a reason to do that (reduces support time/cost by avoiding users who have issues that were fixed a year ago in an update) while linux does not (unless you're a business who has paid a company to provide support, you aren't getting support, at least not any kind of guaranteed/priority/official support)
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>>108108275
>i doubt there's any distros that straight up won't let you turn it off permanently like windows however
Ubuntu? Unless something changed recently, the snapd forcefully updates all your Snaps with no ability to turn it off unless you don't use snaps and uninstall snapd.
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>>108108275
>i doubt there's any distros that straight up won't let you turn it off permanently
I thought Bazzite did this
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>>108108284
No, Bazzite and its sister uBlue distros (Bluefin, Aurora, etc.) are run by literal troons, but they did just implement the nag as a systemd service you can disable.
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Any way to bring back Plasma 5.27 on Debian 13?
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>>108108291
They auto-update by default. You have to turn off automatic updates manually. At least on Aurora and Bazzite. Only the Bazzite "Steam Deck mode" variant doesn't do automatic updates.
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>>108108301
What's the actual problem, anon?
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>>108108334
Older Plasma used less RAM
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>>108108343
How much less? Plasma 6 is fine on systems even with 8 GB of RAM. If you have less than that then you really should probably be using something lighter.
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>>108108301
consider using lxqt
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>>108108343
File indexers, GUI app stores and background databases are the most memory hungry parts of these DE's. Get rid of them and you'll have a significantly lighter performance.
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>>108108343
this >>108109007
Disable file indexing and turn off Discover (it's shit anyway). Also disable some visual effects. Plasma 6 should be fine on devices with 4GB of memory.
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>>108109120
>>108108423
I have 32GB of RAM, but Plasma 5 easily used under 1 gig
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is anyone able to run Nioh 3 on Linux
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>>108109141
Then you really don't have to worry about memory usage when you've got that much. Add more swap if it bothers you.
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>>108109141
Yeah, you can go lower but I wouldn't worry about it. Plasma is probably allocating more memory to its processes since it's seeing so much of it "available". It'll likely flush/free up, if needed.
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>>108109291
Whoops, meant to say that Plasma is probably requesting more than necessary from the Kernel, since it sees so much "available".
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>>108108165
goddamn bro, its like talking to llm
>>108108207
root filesystem structure is a glibc extension?
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>>108109291
>>108109294
This. When I boot plasma on a 4GB machine the whole OS idles at 1.2GB, but when I boot the same distro on a 64GB machine it idles at around 4.5GB. Memory is there to be used.
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>>108109365
truth be said, for all the extra RAM these prefetch systems are using, I don't really notice an increase in system "snappiness", and I definitely notice extra jankiness as the system gets close to running out of RAM.
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>>108104368
>This is a GUI tool for configuring and managing Wine and its engines that can turn the installed windows software into .app mac apps that can run in any mac.
There's some aur packages that try do to this for individual pieces of software but usually its not really a thing that people do on linux.
Just use bottles or lutris like everyone else does.
I think the first app is a feature included in most file managers and the second is something that can be found in most pdf readers like evince and okular
>a VM tool that is just "download the installer and press next"
Gnome-boxes or virt-manager. Or if both are too complicated then use virtualbox. Those are really the only choices you have.
>Additionally I'd like to ask which distros have an easier time detecting and configuring printers and scanners, preferably with graphical interfaces to manage them.
Linux also uses CUPS which is the same backend used on macos. I don't think distro matters much since they all use the same thing under the hood.
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>>108107383
Pottering is basically linus if linus was never right about anything.
>him possibly being a MS plant
Hes current employed by microsoft.
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>>108108259
Of course he can't.
>>108108205
What's stopping you from installing Gentoo or Linux From Scratch?
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>>108107463
I'm guessing the .deb protonvpn provides pulled in some hardcore gnome dependency because it assumed they were on regular ubuntu?
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>>108108030
Puppy linux in livecd mode so that nothing gets saved to disk
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>>108107160
>Went with KDE and it felt more sluggish than KDE on Debian for some reason.
Wonder why that would happen... driver issue?
I guess that's why mint still gets recommended.
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>>108109769
He mentioned that the NVIDIA driver wasn't installed automatically as advertised by the distro so he was probably running on Nouveau. He (probably) also failed to switch to the proprietary driver afterwards due to not knowing how to blacklist Nouveau modules and removing any KMS hooks from the boot process, or was using the proprietary driver without DRM.

These random "easy to use" distros are nightmarish for beginners desu.
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>>108109545
yes and these cocksuckers make fun of hard drives with their fucking m2 ssd's and then turn around and defend this shit even tho they use storage which entire point is that you DONT have to do all these tricks because its that fast
you have 500 mb/s storage but you will rely on the system freeing and caching things in the most efficient manner and there being no bugs or edge cases
when you load a program it only has to load once from the storage but if you shit up ALL of your fucking RAM (and this will eventually happen with this "unused RAM is wasted RAM" faggotry) you will have to continuously load and unload shit and that will increase the probability of something going wrong
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>>108109827
>not knowing how to blacklist Nouveau modules and removing any KMS hooks from the boot process
Why the fuck would the user ever have to do this? Sounds like a shit distro imho.
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>>108109827
>These random "easy to use" distros are nightmarish for beginners desu.
CachyOS has never failed to install the correct NVIDIA drivers for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>108109935
CachyOS isn't an "easy to use" distro. It's designed for power users who know what they're doing.
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>>108109887
Ok lets play this through. Have no caching and relying on HDD/SSD will result in a terrible experience for everyone with slow storage. If we use caching everyone will have a smooth experience. Hmm i wonder what devs will choose.

>inb4 make it have 2 paths depending on storage speed
Yeah now you have to measure performance and maintain 2 code paths. GTFO
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>>108109887
>even tho they use storage which entire point is that you DONT have to do all these tricks because its that fast
>you have 500 mb/s storage but you will rely on the system freeing and caching things in the most efficient manner and there being no bugs or edge cases
You always have to load stuff into RAM. There is no way around that except the fancy Direct Storage / DMA stuff that can enable a GPU to directly address the NVMe drive without going via system memory (but this is unusual).

Even if you didn't need to (and you do) you'd still want to because despite m.2 drives typically being very fast, system memory is orders of magnitude faster and your processors L2 and L3 cache is orders of magnitude faster again. This fetch/execute behaviour is the backbone of how computers work.

If there were no caching in memory at all then you'd have a very inefficient system with much higher latency.
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>>108109966
Well, I was a windows tard for 15 years and switched to CachyOS at the end of 2024, I just run pacman -Syu once a week and it has yet to broke on me.
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>>108109971
everyone except people with low RAM capacity apparently
as you fill up your RAM your pagefile/swap kicks in and we went full circle as a result
>>108109976
thanks chatgpt
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>>108110026
>thanks chatgpt
I wrote that myself actually.
This caching is in fact needed to even use a computer at all. You obviously have to load it into memory to do anything with it. It's not just using the memory for fun. The important thing is that all of this caching should be expendable under high memory pressure if it's not immediately needed then it can be released or swapped out.

You're better off tuning your kernel to be more responsive than trying to reduce caching.
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>>108110026
The kernel isn't throwing stuff from cache on swap dumbass. Just learn to do VM tuning if you're going to be terminal poorfag with no memory. Start with zswap.
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>>108110048
>I wrote that myself actually.
"thanks chatgpt" is an insult people randomly throw nowadays. it doesn't matter if you wrote your post yourself
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>>108108291
>>108108316
>>108108284
>the absolute state of FOTM meme distros
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Is anyone here a free software purist?

So like fsf distro libreboot not using non free JavaScript?

How hard is it? How do you deal with say needing a phone for government/bank/work stuff?

Does anyone here go full Stallman and not even use non free software on machines they don't own like ATMs and stuff?

I've always wanted a totally free system but I'm not smart enough yet and I have a phone and games for socialising and for banking.
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>>108110062
obviously it fucking doesnt but its USING the swap and that reduces systems responsiveness

my personal experience with this shit sucking ass and seeing shit like that: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/713519/why-is-my-system-using-swap-when-ram-fills-up-with-cache
really makes me think im being gaslit by you fuckers
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I want to use Mint but the fact that I can't clone the main panel exactly across multiple monitors really annoys me.
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>>108110136
You cannot post here with free software only.
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>>108110136
You go open source to a point. You can for a lot of things, but some things just have the best option be a closed source program.
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>>108110062
>make software that fills up a cache because it's best practices™ for the sake of snappiness®
>other software needs RAM
>sorry bro, that RAM was unused when I saw it, finders keepers, even though I'm not really using it
if only we had a system that would orchestrate these things, let's call it an operating system.
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>>108110141
Yah it would be not being able to use most of the web that I would find next to impossible.
>>108110145
Yah that's where I'm at besides steam games, drivers, uefi and my phone everything is foss.

I'm hopefully gonna figure out how to swap the os on my phone to open source but I'm scared of bricking it.
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>>108110182
When I hear about custom phone ROMs I always hear that you only flash Pixel phones.
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>>108110196
I have heard this I have a budget phone a Moto g05 there is an os called lineage that is for a lot of Moto g phones but I do not think mine is fully supported so not sure if I should risk it or not. I'm a neet so losing even a budget phone would be a big hit to my broke ass.
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>>108109827
>Nouveau. He (probably) also failed to switch to the proprietary driver afterwards due to not knowing how to blacklist Nouveau modules
Installing the NVIDIA driver from RPM Fusion is meant to automatically do this.
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why can't i get printer to work on arch? it works fine on mint
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>>108110122
>updates bad
Nope

>>108110136
This is an unattainable goal
>So like fsf distro libreboot not using non free JavaScript?
Good luck visiting almost any website. Nobody actually flags their JS as open source. Not even most FOSS projects. And since that's the case, you have the issue of
>If a JavaScript file does not include a license notice, it is protected by copyright but not automatically open source

What are you even trying to achieve with this? There is no point in fossmaxxing unless you're a FOSS developer or you're contributing to proprietary software/services and want to stop doing that.
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>>108110196
>>108110218
https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices#Community
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>>108110139
Is there actually no way to do this?
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>>108110237
Not really trying to attain anything probably just OCD or something and it would just be cool. But I think I'm close enough anyway, I mostly just like learning.
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>>108110138
>this other lazy fuck has the same lazy fuck problem
That's what momentary memory use spikes look like. If he would stop being a lazy fuck and observe it under load like the comments said, he'd be able to figure out what's going on. Understand your workload and set vm parameters accordingly.
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>>108102463
Wait. Seriously? I bought a Western Digital 4TB NVMe in October and I only run Linux. Actually I'm looking at their website right now and they don't even offer updates: https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/50745/~/firmware-download-and-updates-for-western-digital-internal-and-external-drives
Did I buy the wrong brand? I was already having problems with this SSD on Linux that fixed by having to turn off the power saving modes with this boot parameter: nvme_core.default_ps_max_latency_us=0
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>>108110232
You needs to install all the relevant CUPS stuff.
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>>108110232
Learn how to Google and read the Arch wiki.
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Why can't Linux simply add detected HDDs and SSDs to fstab automatically? When I click on a hard drive in a file manager, I shouldn't be prompted each time to type the admin password so I can mount it.
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>>108102463
>>108110284
Western Digital uploads firmware to lvfs and can be updated with fwupd.
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>>108110366
> Why does Linux add every drive to fstab? I don't want it to mount all my drives.
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>>108110387
Everybody would appreciate that.
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>>108110366
>Why can't Linux simply add detected HDDs and SSDs to fstab automatically?
Because it is not a good practice?
>I shouldn't be prompted each time to type the admin password so I can mount it.
You shouldn't if you know what you are doing, you don't even need to touch fstab, both KDE and GNOME have GUI disk managers.
All my drives get mounted automatically at boot time without super user.
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>>108110377
Checked LVFS and they don't have my SN5000, tried fwupdmgr and it says it has no updates. Not even https://wddashboarddownloads.wdc.com has my 4TB listed. What do?
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>>108110366
It will usually automount drives connected by usb or sdcard/mmcblk0p1 but not internal drives connected by sata or m.2
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>fstab
Remember that systemd mount units exist, you can use them as drop-ins for mount points.
>>108110366
Two different things. The file manager thing puts stuff under /media, dynamically, while fstab contains a list of fixed mount points.
And yes, I too think Linux systems are missing a simple tool for the task of assigning fixed mount points.
>I shouldn't be prompted each time to type the admin
Is your user in all the appropriate groups for managing drives?
>>108110391
What would the automatic mount points be? I want my anime filesystem under /mnt/anime, not under /mumbo/jambo/FSUUID-12345-blah.
>>108110539
>manually decrypt an encrypted device or partition
>decrypted contents pop up under /dev/mapper/whatever as expected
>file manager picks it up and shows a generic drive icon for /dev/mapper/whatever
>click it
>gets mounted under /media/whatever
Doesn't seem to make any difference. It avoids the EFI system partition but seemingly nothing else.
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>>108110579
I dont use systemd
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>Ubuntu Server 24
Trying out mdadm for the first time and realized I sort of autopiloted and set the drive's folder to something in /. I'd like to move it/mount it so that it's located in a recognizable place, and because I'm having so many permissions issues.
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>>108110651
The mount point is defined in fstab.
>>108110609
Neckbearding shouldn't be an issue then lmao
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>>108110579
>What would the automatic mount points be? I want my anime filesystem under /mnt/anime, not under /mumbo/jambo/FSUUID-12345-blah
Put them under /mnt/VOLUMELABEL
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Odd question.
I have some foreign packages in my arch install
But even after running
yay -S --rebuild

I still get it as foreign packages, what gives?
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why is my desktop grub menu so f'n slow? on my laptop everything is smooth as silk
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>>108111253
Are they still on the AUR? Sometimes packages get removed.
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>>108102463
>(It's really unfortunate most SSD brands don't make firmware updating utilities for Linux).
For NVMe drives it's not needed, NVMe has a standardized firmware upload/download mechanism. As long as you have the blob you can apply it, and many drives support live updates so you don't even need a power cycle or reboot.
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>>108102115
I was tired of getting audio stuttering issues after unpausing in VLC so I finally tried MPV instead. Using SMPlayer as a frontend, much snappier and cleaner, no issues. Don't think I'll ever be going back to VLC after this.
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>>108111253
Normal AUR package behavior. They're all local packages without a proper repo. Yay acts as a Pacman wrapper for their dependencies but the AUR packages themselves are rebuilt/rewritten 'locally' each new version. Pacman flags them as foreign for not being in any known repo.
>>108111573
Yay would flag them as orphans in this case.
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>>108110284
>>108110523
WD and Sandisk split up and as far as I can tell WD only provide support for pre-split products. Try the Sandisk website instead.
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>>108108316
>They auto-update by default.
In the background. And it's basically just "docker pull" and repointing GRUB so it doesn't touch any active files. It's remarkably civilized compared to Windows, MacOS, or Android updates.
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>>108111573
Yes, it's sunshine-bin
>>108111690
>Normal AUR package behavior
But it wasn't like that before the latest update.
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I just installed artix the graphical mate version using runit.

Used larbs.xyz script it asks me about keyring I search it do some init thing the other thing says it doesn't exist whatever.

Run script it finishes.

Now I literally can't use my pc and caps lock is remapped to esc.

I'm going back to arch with the install script.

How does anyone use a computer like that for real how in anyway is that functional? I'm gonna have to set up samba again now FFS.
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>>108111768
>and caps lock is remapped to esc.
That's a common deliberate choice by Vim guys. Read scripts before you run them.
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>>108111773
I was just playing around in my laptop not my main pc wanted to see if it was usable out the box, it isn't everything is different.
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>>108111749
Does the number of foreign packages match the output of
pacman -Qm
? If so then all is good and it was probably due to Yay replacing something that was previously in a known repo. If the numbers don't match...check your Pacman config file for recent modifications (overwritten instead of merged during an update, maybe?)
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>>108111802
>
pacman -Qm

It shows way more.
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>>108103316
Not USB 2. You could do MHL or DP, but that would mean $$$ for a way more powerful SoC
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>>108111819
I'm assuming that those are all AUR packages and packages from *somewhere else* that Pacman managed to identify. Flatpaks, Snaps and AppImages shouldn't be picked up by Pacman like this but It's a possibility. Are you using any of those?

It could also be due to external repos added to your pacman.conf that are either dead or have been removed/rewritten without you knowing.
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>>108111943
No, I don't have any flat/snap/appimages
All of these are from the AUR.
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>>108111983
Then that's fine, they are indeed foreign (repoless) packages. If they're only appearing as such now it must be due to a change in how Yay displays its post-operation logs or something.



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