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>110 for a cable from dan clark
just buy a chink one, the cables are shit anyways

>>108132952
the dunmer cables twist so easily i'd be afraid to see what the upgraded cables dca sells are like

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>>108132952
Yeah, you can get decent quality chink ones like openheart for about fifty bucks. I use these for a bunch of my headphones. 110 for something that isn't modular is way too much. Pretty sure Hart Audio cables would be cheaper than that even.

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This is gonna be a moonshot but does anyone have the drivers for the Aune T1?

The tubes only work with the onboard DAC and Windows 11 recognizes it in device manager, but spits out a "device cannot start" error.

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>>108133029
He just wants people on a subscription service for life to use his headphones. Charging $110 for noire pads that are pleather is just fucking retarded, even $75 aeon pads that don't last 2 years with minimal use is insanity. The base aeon cable might as well go in the bin, the upgraded cable thats on the ether was okay from memory, but i've heard of a lot of people who hated it so much they instantly replaced it
for foreigners the shipping is also retarded, i think last i checked pads from califonia > bc canada were like $30 shipping + import fees so just base aeon pads and a cable would of been $300 cad + tip, which is more than used aeons cost usually. This trend has to end

>>108133087
i bought the aeon rt and the pads felt so cheap i returned them.
its a shame because his headphones measure well, but i couldn't imagine shelling out $75 every year or two for pads.

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>>108133117
the pads start folding inside of the pleather almost immediately, half the drop.com review images that are almost new show it if you look. The nigger owner says that isn't a problem and you can fix it with your hands, but it will go back immediately and there is no fixing it and it fucks the seal up too. if the pads are over a year old and you try and do that it will just rip the pleather and peel more.
total humiliation ritual

i hear people say good things about adx7000 and that it's best dynamic headphones ever and without any distortion.
although i already have adx5000
good for audio technica they actually finally won

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What's the /g/ option for portable bluetooth speakers? I have to do a lot of driving for work and I appreciate having an easily available source of tunes while i commute.

I liked the Klipsch Nashville for it's volume power and punchy base but recognize what it was doing advertising distortion as "warmth".

Doe the board have any experience with something comfortably dashboard sized?

>>108133292
>bluetooth speakers
>driving for work
Does you car or whatever not have built-in speakers?

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>Audio Science Review
>the reviewer is a psued
>he argued for the paper which would later turn into MQA

>>108133062
Surely there is no performance difference vs $25 8-wire, but this 16-wire looks damn nice.
Is openheart the only manufacturer of true 16-wire braids instead of just a simple 8*2-wire? Couldn't find any alternatives on aliexpress.

>>108133140
I had mine for 2 years and only had to do the thing with the pads once. Pleather is still fine. Maybe they switched suppliers or you just need to shower or something; idk.

>>108133886
>I had mine for 2 years and only had to do the thing with the pads once. Pleather is still fine. Maybe they switched suppliers or you just need to shower or something; idk.
I wore them 3 hours a day at most before storing them after a year, and they started peeling after a year and a half. I'm not an unclean person and you are a retard, there is variation in anything
my cable also died about the same time, is that also a hygiene thing? or did i run over a cable that wasn't even touching the ground?

Does DAC oversampling filters really matter? Does it actually change the sound in some substantial way or is it even smaller difference than lossy vs lossless? Is there any comparison with multiple loopbacks that would exaggerate the effects?

>>108134342
upsampling doesn't gain any added information or detail. so no point.

what would you say is the planar magnetic equivalent of the sennheiser 598/599?

based on any criteria you see fit, though preference for comfort

>>108134342
In my experience with my Gungnir 2:
>PCM upsampling to 32/384 made zero audible difference
>NOS vs OS made a difference, OS sounded significantly better
>R2R vs Delta Sigma made a difference. The Gungnir does funny shit with more headstage, but I dont think its what people would describe as accurate. There's a reason D/S measures better objectivity wise.
>Basically no difference with D/S dacs, there really shouldn't be
Schiit have been doing something with their analog stage since they were with Theta to get soundstanging out of a DAC, its just not 'objectively' correct. Upsampling is mostly a meme, but OS is always going to produce better and more transparent sound than NOS. It's evident on the G2 fwiw - the NOS is overly warm with a shrunken stage and noticeably bad instrument separation vs what it does in OS mode
A lot of subjective slop here but stuff I've confirmed with home-brew blinding with level matched volume. Wouldn't meet paper testing criteria, but most shit doesnt

>>108134470
Upsampling also did nothing with the Jo3 Mesh card. The G2 internal upsamples to 32/384 on the ladder, bust also wanted to note my D/S dac also had no audible difference upsampled (it typically shouldn't)

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>>108132560
>currynigger dongle

>>108132952
>>108133087
I'd worry far more about their consistently dubious QC than the cable and earpads, if you can't hear the F-tier channel balance either you got insanely lucky with a well balanced pair or something is possibly wrong with your hearing
>>108133140
How is it possible to somehow design closed headphones that measure well then insist on these awful design choices

>>108134652
>I'd worry far more about their consistently dubious QC than the cable and earpads, if you can't hear the F-tier channel balance either you got insanely lucky with a well balanced pair or something is possibly wrong with your hearing
no i agree with you, everytime i don't wear my open back aeons for awhile and come back it's obvious that something is off with the channel balance, when i originally mained them as my headphone i had just asssumed my o2 had imbalance, by the time i replaced it they were already in storage. My closed backs i suspect have it to, but the placement of the headphone on the ear is so strange and it seems to massively change the sound, especially on giga worn pads like my closed have.
>How is it possible to somehow design closed headphones that measure well then insist on these awful design choices
I just assume he wants people to be on a subscription service for new cables and pads, the pads were already deemed problematic 10 years ago and no effort has been made it fix it in any way, and noires have it 2 from what i hear and they are even more pricey
honestly most planars are just so fucking horribly made that i think there is almost no standards left. Chinkfimans with their shit, audeze having ungodly unit variation until relatively recently + all the other issues on pre 2021 revisions etc.

>>108134674
How bad are the pads really? AFAIK Beyerdynamic pleathers last at least a year of daily multihour usage before peeling and needing to be replaced, i assume the same for their velour pads

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>>108134711
Pleather will always peel no matter how decent it is unfortunately, everyones has seen one of those footstools that's in a spare room with no use just one day peel for no reason, or have a pleather jacket in a closet and you pull it out and their is fake leather all other the floor
with pads its even worse because when it starts peeling it'll just get in your ears or your hair
that aside from the foam is almost more problematic than the pleather itself. No matter what you do it starts to kill itself in shape, and it doesn't help most come with it already misshaped and it's memory foam so it'll just stay there when you move it, it happened to both my pairs. When it really starts to wear its just completely over and its done, but by that point you can't keep it anyways because the clamp + lack of pad force will skullfuck you like 1 of my do
Overall i would say it's just general pleather slop, not overly bad, not overly good like it's advertised as. But if you are like me and canadian, one pair of pads + shipping + 0 duties and it's $135, which is just in my opinion not acceptable, especially because i own a bunch of headphones and pleather will wear even if you store it, so it won't matter the usage
Maybe i'm just cheap, but i can't in good conscience pay that kind of cash for dog shit pads, if they were like $30 and for some low end audio technica headphone sure, but a $600 cad headphone needing $140 in pads every year and a half is just cringe.
My cable also dying just pissed me off even more, but i already planned on selling at least the open backs anyways

HD560S without an amp, bad idea?

>>108134754
also whats strange is the headbands are real leather, and the pads are pleather. Given its a califonian company veganism would of been a good arguement for pleather if you wanted to cheap out but it would illogical with real leather headbands. At least audeze gives you an option for vegan pleather pads/headband or cowhide for both
idk maybe one day we won't have to deal with fucking pleather again, but the only company using bambo silk pads are those eta ulis OP usually talks about, not even sure ZMF sells them to anyone else
hd 800s use Alcantara and the replacement pads are cheaper, at least due to not getting country raped and are quite nice. They also wear but it's not as bad as pleather

>>108134762
If its loud enough for you then its fine

>>108134762
No, it'll sound anemic. Get an el cheapo dongle

>>108134762
>>108134978
Don't try compensating the lack of bass with higher volume, you'll end up like this
>>108117106
>>108117118
And definitely don't get a desktop amp.
HD560S is a basslet headphone. Unless you know you like basslet headphones EQ or get a better headphone.

>>108135201
jesus that was depressing to read
element really has that kind of power on high gain? What would be the equivalent on a magni 3+ or is it even louder that it maxes out on?

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>>108135222
Also putting gear way too loud is pretty interesting. I don't think I've ever done it a single time with the 6xx, i probably do sometimes with the 800 and i did it quite often with aeons, although the leakage of the aeon was most obvious, but still i did most often with it.
I can't say i ever did it because of bass, if anything it was for vocals and most of my headphones are pretty stable on that, but anything that did them poorly i was more likely to ear rape myself.
also was never a problem with the r70x.
The ether cx was the first headphone that gave me ringing in my ear, but it coinsided with an ear/sinus infection at the time and constant sinus issues i have emulate tinitus in my left ear only. At a similiar time i got extreme earraped with a speaker amp but that was probably 2 seconds.
The ether cx i didnt even have an amp as it was a lend anyways so i just assumed i couldnt of got it that loud anyways, but maybe
But thats always a good reminder to everyone to take care of themselves

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I can hear a constant crackly hum from my speakers when there's nothing playing through them and at low volume the sound seems slightly bitcrushed
At regular daytime listening volume this is unnoticeable
Is this normal?
I have a S.M.S.L A50 PRO plugged into my TV with optical

I regret buying open back

>>108135422
why anon?

>>108134978
I do have an old E10K, so guess I'll go for it.
I've also considered ATH-R50x as an alternative but the earpads might be too small, don't wanna fuck around with potential returns and shit

>>108135361
It's normal for a shitty amp made for soundbars, which is what's inside A50 Pro.

>>108135430
Parents heard the porn.

>>108135447
>I've also considered ATH-R50x as an alternative but the earpads might be too small, don't wanna fuck around with potential returns and shit
if they are the same as the r70x pads, which i think they are then yeah they are quite small.
I wouldnt say i have massive ears but it's very noticable how small they are
definitely a hp you'd want to have the option of returning

>>108135361
Check that the power sockets are connected to the an actual grounding rod(its supposed to all be grounded but in practice it's not uncommon for only the kitchen and bathrooms to be connected to ground) and that there is no ground loop(have everything powered by the same power socket? i suppose that's how ground loops are solved)
Else you'll have to galvanically isolate the entire chain(with battery power and toslink, there's usb isolators that achieve the same but they may degrade sound)

>>108135461
some of the leakage of open backs might as well be speakers, it's kind of insane.
There truly is a bliss to closed backs sometimes

>>108135461
Increase the volume and maintain eye contact. Be an alpha.

>>108133718
>Is openheart the only manufacturer of true 16-wire braids instead of just a simple 8*2-wire?
Yes, as far as I know. Emphasis on "true" since there's a bunch of other chink options that claim they're 32 core or other bullshit(they're not).

>le random girls wearing hd800
>not your actual 2d waifu
lame ass seasonist

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>>108134342
The differences are mostly beyond 20 kHz, unless it's some broken meme shit like NOS without filter.

>>108136203
i am sorry

>>108132560
>Active desktop/bookshelf speakers
>• Edifier R1280/MR3/MR4
please stop recommending the 1280t and mr4. they are both really bad.

>>108132560
Booba

Chord Hugo 2 fags read this.
head-fi.org/threads/chord-electronics-hugo-2-the-official-thread.831345/post-19014974

Is it worth buying a DAC? Currenty using a 250ohms DT 770 pro, would it sound like 30% better through a DAC rather the shitty motherboard?

>>108136620
Why did you buy a 250 Ohms headphones in the first place if you have only your motherboard to plug them in?

>>108136667
I just be buying shit idk.

>>108136620
Depends on how shitty your motherboard is.

When I plug my HD600s in to basically anything they sound just fine. I don’t even need to turn up the volume past 20%. On my PC it’s 5%. Is this a knockoff pair? I thought I needed an amp?

>>108137070
If you have a modern mid+ tier motherboard it is likely normal as they have decent audio chips. You can take off the earpads with foam filter and look at the driver if it is legit just to be sure.

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>>108137070
>sensitivity 97db/v
No that's expected. PC audio is normally 2V, so your comfortable listening level would be 70dB, or 97dB - 27dB-ish, or 1/10^(27/20) ~= .045 of full output. It's a dated driver design from when line level was 1V and mobile sources would put out 1/4-1/10 that.

They will sound different with an amp because very steep impedance vs frequency curve means high output impedance on PC changes bass response a couple dB.

>>108135222
the element iv has tons of power. I have only ever needed to go into high gain mode once, and it was 1 or 2 db. I can’t imagine cranking it all the way up to 14 or whatever the max is.

>>108138414
It's funny John acknowledges nobody needs >1W but then designs 2-4W amps because it's what people buy.

>>108138538
HE6 owners who EQ need it. In other words literally just me. I've been waiting the past couple years for an EL DAC/Amp stack but it looks like that won't happen so I might just grab an Element 4 soon.

>>108138538
Depending on your listening and headphone choices power requirements can grow exponentially.
Imagine you want a proper bass extension on your sennheisers HD600, so you go for +15/20 dB bass EQ.
Then you start listening to some high-quality orchestral recordings which go down to -40dB at times. So you are already down to like -50/60 dB. You see where this is going, shit like 3, 5 or even 8W does not look that insane anymore.

>>108135222
Element 4 has more power than most amps, its why its a good end game aio because it will run basically anything (maybe not tungsten but who cares at that point)

I bet this retard EQ'd too without the negative gain on

>>108139371
>hd600 +20db
Only gets you to about 600mW at 120dB gross or 100dB adjusted. Which is about my comfort limit for short bursts. They can't physically handle that kind of excursion without distorting like mad either. Aeons can, but that's only about 800mW, and they're about the most inefficient semi-popular headphones.

Barring sub-sub-niche earspeakers the only case where I could see needing >1W is if you're trying to hit the 140dB OSHA / Audeze limit for simulation purposes.

I've used the same Sennheiser HD215s since 2008. If I were to get a new pair of headphones at the cost of one or two hundred bongs, how big of a difference in audio quality could I expect?

https://www.printables.com/model/1548276-satyr-4-diy-hifi-headphones
New Capra model, this one uses a resistor on the driver to emulate a high output impedance amp and bump up the low end. It's like an always-tubed HD600.

>>108139952
>more peerless driver slop

>>108139952
Why would you build that into the headphone when you can do the same with an inline adapter?

>>108139992
I mean I get it, they're dirt cheap and readily available from a reputable source, and he seems to know how to tune them pretty well.

>>108140017
Don't know. Makes it stand out from the other models, I guess. Satyr 3 still looks like a nicer build to me.

>>108139670
i'm having way too much fun playing with jds labs core and my lcd-x to consider anything else at this point

>>108140118
This is like the 10th peerless driver diy shitphone in the past 3 years. Its like a comedian telling the same joke 10 times in a show, get some new fucking material you fucking hacks.

>>108139902
Answer me you stupid fucks.

>>108140472
That's why I wanna build an Ouroboros, that ring radiator driver is wacky and therefore interesting.

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Are these Whatplus Portapro clones better than the originals? It looks like it has some upgrades

>>108140478
Depends what type of upkeep you're putting into them, if the drivers aren't beat and you pad swap they're probably fine considering you're only gonna spend thirdie money to replace them

>>108140650
Drivers are low quality knockoffs, so they're only really useful as donor units if you want the colorway.

You see, this is why I love my HD800s. The pads are so thin they make virtually no difference on the sound so I don't need to worry about compression over time making a noticable difference in the sound.

>>108139670
>Element 4 has more power than most amps, its why its a good end game aio because it will run basically anything (maybe not tungsten but who cares at that point)
Interesting, i was close to getting one once but i got a vahlla2/modi multi bit for less than half usual resale value. Since i didn't keep my aeons anyways it turned out pretty nice
>I bet this retard EQ'd too without the negative gain on
I'm not much of an eq tranny but wouldnt that just endlessly clip or sound messed up?
idk one day i'll have to learn more about eqing aside from using other peoples profiles
>>108140971
I got mine from a thrift store, had to replace the headband pad ($50 cad 0 shipping), but i never even replaced the pads because they werent dirty or uncomfortable despite wear on them and some of the material flaking off.
It's probably because they just have no clamp at all, where things like the aeon really clamp and if the padding isn't holding it's original form anymore it gets really uncomfortable, i imagine it's similiar for some of the beyer pro models that clamp a lot. My 6xx pads aren't worn enough to test that but i suspect it would be problematic less so because most people bend them

>>108141183
>Interesting, i was close to getting one once but i got a vahlla2/modi multi bit for less than half usual resale value. Since i didn't keep my aeons anyways it turned out pretty nice
Element 4 is great if you love playing around with EQ, Core is a cool thing and iirc they've spent the last year working on Core stuff rather than new hardware so 2026 might be a fun year from JDS Labs. I sold mine to fund the Jot 3, but it's still a product I recommend to anyone who wants a tiny AIO and only uses SE outputs.
Val2/Modi is a good pickup too, I remember you talking about it prior to buying. Can't really go wrong with much in that range.
>>108140650
Just get the Koss proper and Yaxi pad it.
>>108140501
Same, I like the FR and design - makes me wish I had a printer. Capra is great all around.

>>108141201
I'll have a printer up and running soon(-ish, hopefully) that can do all kinds of fun materials, an Ouroboros is probably gonna be one of my first "real" projects using it.
Might replace the printed headband with an Aliexpress Hifiman, Audeze or ZMF clone though.

>>108141240
Keen to see what you make, definitely share it for us

>>108141246
I will, I've shared most of my DIY stuff in the past and plan to keep doing just that.
Maybe I'll try wood-filled filament for the cups or something, that might be fun.

Hello guys. I'm honestly getting tired of the clamp force on my over-ear, closed back headphones. I have 2 headphones, the Akg k361 and the Anker Soundcore q20i, that both have this extreme clamping problem. I seems like they are clamping more and more too. It might because I have a lot more hair, but idk. I don't want to switch to IEMs, I prefer to not put stuff in my ear unless it's earplugs at the range. I also have a couple of on ear, koss headphones, but instead of clamping, they just hurt my ear instead due to the on-ear pressing. And koss' sound quality just doesn't stack up for me.
Anyway, I did some research, and apparently open back headphones don't have as much clamp force. I was wondering if anyone here can confirm this?
If so, I am thinking of getting the Philips Audio SHP9600 as a daily driver.
But I am willing to spend more to get the Hifiman HE400se or even the Sennheiser HD 560S but $150 is the max I would spend desu. My main concern is the least amount of clamping force and clear audio. Thanks for the help!

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Can you use HD600 on a smartphone with something like FIIO KA11 DAC?

>>108141340
>But I am willing to spend more to get the Hifiman HE400se or even the Sennheiser HD 560S but $150 is the max I would spend desu. My main concern is the least amount of clamping force and clear audio. Thanks for the help!
Closed backs tend to clamp more for the seal yah. 400se might be better, I don't have experience with either but the 560S doesn't have a metal headband to do the bend trick you can do with the 6X0 line.
>>108141395
Absolutely.

>>108141340
>. I don't want to switch to IEMs
i've tried myself and literally cannot use them for any amount of time. I've tried every ear tip there is and two more exp pairs and it is no hope
i really have no idea how some of the iem trannies deal with it, it's like a torture device

you could also try the hd 599 along with the sph9600 and see which you prefer if you live somewhere with free returns or can test both, from memory the 599 wasn't clampy and quite comfy, idk about now but it use to go on sale a lot for $100-120 cad

>>108140949
>>108141201
the whatplus is like half the price though..

>>108141443
If you're worrying about penny pinching on Porta Pros you probably shouldn't be spending on anything more than the $8 Samsung buds Sharur shills

>>108141451
I'm mostly just buying for the novelty and aesthetic. I have better audio gear around lol

>>108141465
in that case, follow your dreams

>>108141451
is sharur ever serious or is he just shitposting in every video he makes?

>>108141472
PEQdb is legit, I use it on my 650s and it sounds substantially better than any target or personal EQ I've done. The Samsung buds are good too according to a friend who bought and tuned it to his target.
A lot of the time he's being facetious, but he's pretty serious about the target curve stuff and has a paper for it.

>>108141483
>PEQdb is legit, I use it on my 650s and it sounds substantially better than any target or personal EQ I've done
alright i'll have to check into this. Do you just download the 10 or 15 band eq and add it to peace?

>>108141492
Yeah, just throw it into your EQ platform of choice

>>108141483
it was kind of funny when he was saying how the original bose quiet comfort were good and redditors were screeching about praising bose only for their heroes at headphoneshow to turn around and name the qc ultra as one of their headphones of the year

oratory1990 has never recovered from sharurs video

>broke headphone jack on laptop doing something stupid
>have apple dongle on hand
>works well but
>doesn't respond to peace apo at all
any tips

>>108141340
>Anyway, I did some research, and apparently open back headphones don't have as much clamp force. I was wondering if anyone here can confirm this?
No, there's not much of a relation between closed/open back and clamp force, it's really a case-by-case thing, e.g. HD 6XX are notorious for their high clamp force, though you can bend the metal parts of the head band to reduce it.
And I don't find clamp force even that useful a metric, because it also depends how that force is distributed, and how far the cups are stretched apart.
The AKG K361 actually has relatively low clamp force as measured by Rtings, but the cups don't have much swivel, so depending on the shape of your head, it's easy to get uncomfortable hot spots, because the pressure is distributed unevenly. Idk about the Soundcore, but it's possible they have similar issues.
Of the headphones you mentioned, the SHP9600 is probably the most comfortable. HE400se is heavier and has a weird headband, and HD 560S clamp force isn't that low.
But are you sure you're fine with closed back? You will hear your environment, and your environment will hear what you're listening to.
I wouldn't completely write off closed backs, something like Shure SRH440A/840A or Sennheiser HD 569 or Sony MDR-M1 might be worth trying.

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>>108141868
did you make sure to set the dongle as one of the devices in eqo apo?
click on the d and then make sure you have checked your dongle as an option

>>108141885
thank you for saving my stupid ass

>>108141834
whoa insane this might be even bigger news than clavicular getting brutally framemogged by the asu frat leader

>>108132560
Grud 2.1 set up without breaking the bank? Just want the thump thump and AirPods Pro 2 level sound quality, as that's what I use all the time. Looking at Edifier S350DB. Also KEF LSX II for a splurge (but no money for sub).

>>108141908
yeah it was a big shock to the audiophile community
how do you even respond to getting university follower mogged so hard?

>>108141957
probably pointing out the fact that hes a jeet. brutal racemog

>>108141483
NTA but his target has way too much bass imo. I had to lower the LSC by 4dB and even then I think it was a little much.

>>108141962
okay that's a fair point

>>108141407
So it won't sound really low on volume or bad?
I'm very new at this.

>>108142008
No, unless you're deaf and 112 dB is low volume to you.

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>>108142055
Lmao. Got it.
Thank you anon.

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>>108142008
i run to use my 6xx with my s7 as my walking headphone at night, all things considered it's pretty easy to get them decently loud unless your eqing pretty hard

>>108141183
>>108141201
Element is great. My only issue with it is the visual design, which, while cool, is not very accomdating for under-desk setups. I wish the controls were on the front rather than the top.

Buy Stax

>>108135201
Getting really bad tinnitus ontop of hyperacusis for 2 months straight that literally drove me crazy with sleepless nights was my wake up call. Not sure if it was from some kind of ear infection or loud audio but thank god it faded away over time. I've always had normal tinnitus from dead quiet rooms but this one got louder the more I tried to mask it with fans feeling like my brain was buzzing. Got to the point I slept in the garage with an air purifier on blast so I could attempt to sleep since the reverb helped. When I got better I sold my headphone collection and stuck with Sony MDR CD900ST with a Vali 2 amp which sounds pretty laid back and always keep it at a moderate volume. Take good care of your ears, yall. Blasting high treble and bass into your ears is not worth the mental anguish of severe tinnitus.

>>108142693
based
thats what im in the process of doing. going to fully switch to closed backs soon also considering there is too much noise in my room that i cant prevent, at least anytime soon.

>>108141967
i think he keeps adding more when he updates the target too

Headphones for EDM?

>>108141876
>>108141876
>But are you sure you're fine with closed back? You will hear your environment, and your environment will hear what you're listening to.
Do you mean open back?
But yeah, I'm fine with them. I heard online that you will hear you environment and vice-versa. I mainly use my headphones when I'm alone in my bedroom while istening to music. If I'm ever around people, I would use my closed back headphones.
Besides what I heard about clamp force, another reason I am thinking about getting open back headphones is because I heard they sound superior to closed backs and have a wider soundstage. I have never tried any, so I want to see what the hype is about.
But my main concern at the moment is comfort. You mentioned the SHP9600 are quite comfortable. And they are also open back. I'll do more research into them.

>>108142860
Z1R, Fostex, anything Sony with bass

How bad is it really to EQ upwards without setting negative preamp

>>108142424
Ok I did, whats the next step

>>108143947
You'll get clipping on peaks in that range, which is instantly noticeable.

>>108142693
Verify that you don't have a deficiency esp of copper and b12 vitamin
Soundproof the room too, esp the chest above the window if there is one with lots of empty space, i've found that shoving soundproofing foam in there reduced sub 100hz noise by over 10 db at the cost of air renewal(but theres other ways to renew the indoor air for less noise)
You need the db(Z-weighting, A-weighting is a WEF tactic) noise floor to be below 55db for your cochleas to get actual rest
Foam on the walls only kills reflections, unless its some extra thick one, you want at least 40mm and more is better
It's less about frequency and more about volume, just keep it below 75db peak frequency volume and it should be literally impossible to hurt your ears
>>108142756
Closed backs can actually increase low frequency noise because of reflections depending on design, only way to reliably kill low freq noise for cheap is ANC(which can cause APD and tinnitus, they also have their own noise floor which sucks) and earplugs/deep fitting IEMs(can cause ear pain)

>>108144119
>Closed backs can actually increase low frequency noise because of reflections depending on design, only way to reliably kill low freq noise for cheap is ANC(which can cause APD and tinnitus, they also have their own noise floor which sucks) and earplugs/deep fitting IEMs(can cause ear pain)
I see, i have gotten a lot better at not being a retard nigger as of late. When i was younger i was super conscious to not do this kind of thing to myself and always was an annoying nigger saying after 10-15 mins ur brain compensates the volume. Fast forward to me maxing out my magni 3+ constantly with aeons
I have some issue with one of my ears that makes it impossible to use iems, one cannal definitely is inflamed and it makes them painful
>b12 defic
yeah this shit made mine worse, veganism in a nutshell i guess

>>108136484
same

Does ANC really cause tinnitus or is it just another conspiracy cooked up by audiophools?

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>>108145335

>>108145619
How is this relevant? See >>108144119

>>108145919
tinnitus is caused by hearing damage so i don't understand your confusion

>>108145335
ANC should help in theory, as with ANC you are more likely to listen at lower volumes instead of trying to mask the outside noise with higher volumes.
And higher volume listening is a known tinnitus trigger

>>108145335
No but it can trigger tinnitus if you have hearing damage because constant pressure.

>>108132560
USA
Under $600 total, preferably.
Around 4-6inch speakers for the top, and subwoofer for ground, for arcade cabinet.
Considered: https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloudmm/index.php?p=specs problem with them: bluetooth. I need hardwired only.

>>108146423
i guess you want a neutral nearfield sound?

are they going like, inside of a cabinet? it depends because speakers have ports, or passive radiators.

it really depends how big that cabinet is, how it's being mounted to/on it, and maybe even the room it's going into

>>108145335
>>108145919
the miniaturized twin microphones inside each earcup have a noise floor like all microphones
because of 1/f noise they tend to have quite high noise floor (above 30db ez) that will be heard as white(technically slightly brown) noise over the frequency range that the ANC can cancel.
the problem is constant exposure to white noise, which absolutely has already been proven to cause APD, back when you could search keywords in amazon reviews doing so on any popular anc headphone with "tinnitus" would show up many negative reviews of people complaining that it gives them tinnitus, for some it was straight up hearing loss too. there is also an article about a bose user offing himself from it, it was that loud...
my personal experience is that YES anc WILL cause low frequency tinnitus, it just keeps getting louder and louder and can take weeks to resorb, idk if it's also temporary for other people but anecdotal evidence is not good.
currently you can also search "airpods max tinnitus" on google and see for yourself, apparently this one model is quite "good" at giving people ANC tinnitus.
i believe the failure mechanism that cause this tinnitus is the white noise being interpreted by the nervous system as hearing loss, neuroplasticity would explain why it keeps getting louder as use is prolonged over days and stopping anc use for weeks makes it resorb.

>>108147815
Some new zealander.

thoughts on the fiio ft1 pro? i had the edition xs for about 2 weeks and returned it because even with aftermarket straps and pads the shit just gave me a headache after an hour

>>108148512
literally all headphones will do that. not literally but basically, just from the sound being right at your ear, the clamp, the headband on your head.

>>108148512
My thoughts are that fuck fiio, fuck schiit, and fuck xduoo.

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>>108148512
>thoughts on the fiio ft1 pro?
Better than XS, at least, since it doesn't have 10% treble distortion kek.
>shit just gave me a headache after an hour
If it's because of the treble then FT1 Pro won't do that. If it's due to the weight or clamp then I can't really help you.

>>108148512
no balls; buy american or fuck off

>>108148557
sennheisers don't

>>108148823
the xs just wasn't cutting it for me, i think it was the weight more than the clamp because i didn't feel any particularly bad pressure points

pretty sure i eq'd the treble down enough

>>108147815
Why did this get deleted lmao it's lore accurate Passion For Sound

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>>108149274
one of the tranny jannies here really hates it when we use naughty words like nigger or kike

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>>108145619
idk why i never looked into this before but thanks for posting this
honestly in hindsight, and with this chart this makes sense as to why i'd only listen to music for sub 1 hour at a time on avg or at most 2 hours in some cases
anyways this has been one of my favorite threads for /hpg/ lately, actually got me to start going back to listening at more normal levels and enjoying music instead of just consooming and being bored

although as for consooming I've mostly just been looking into some jap products when i free some funds from other sales.
seems basically no amps/dacs are worth buying because any of the affordable ones like teac are chink made anyways, which ruins the larp or they are some incredibly low power/usb powered thing, which makes sense with how sensitive most of their headphones are.
As for headphones I'm not even sure if there is much outside of stax and a few fostex/sony models

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P3IRwgopkc

>noooo dms it can't be because chinkfiman is bad, you just got a bad unit!

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How is the sound bleed on open backs? Will my mom notice I listen to ecchi hentai music?

>>108150145
>Will my mom notice I listen to ecchi hentai music?
what

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I give up I don't know where these stupid peaks are

>>108150200
What what? Your mom can't recognize every ecchi hentai BGM tune just from sound bleed?

>>108150348
to answer your question, yes especially planars in my experience bleed an insane amount, can't speak to those moondrops. Especially if you listen quite loud it's impossible to not hear your music in a semi quiet environment

>>108150394
>bleed an insane amount
isn't this the exact opposite of what planars do?

>>108150518
some open backs are better or worse than others at leaking sound outside the cups, i never noticed something like the 6xx to be very leaky, perhaps i just didnt use them very loud.
Brought out my aeons to test them and its reasonably noticeable, my 800s seem to leak about the same or a little more.
>isn't this the exact opposite of what planars do?
if they are closed back it won't be an issue, although i only have aeon planars, so i'm not sure if some are different unless you mean closed back planars

>>108150145
Yes, also you can hear everything else. No isolation

>>108148512
Ft1 pro clips on bass. They released new planar slop without that issue(jt7).

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/does-harmonic-distortion-matter.69471/post-251796
Known thread shitter Jiraya attempting to speedrun deafness like his hero, Amir

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>>108151417
>DX5II buyer's remorse
every time lmfao

>>108151417
>buy kilobuck headphones
>run them through topping

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>>108151446
Yeah, should have used apple dongle like normal people.

>>108151470
Curryniggerdongles are unironically better than any Topping product

Is it possible for bass to *sound* loud without *feeling* thumpy?

>>108151626
You're after what people describe as 'punchy' and tight. Planars are typically good at this, you can also achieve it with EQ (My 650s are punchy with EQ)

>>108151470
He only made this video so he could start shilling his own dongles, Crinacle pedals snake oil garbage at his own store lol

>>108151417
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/does-harmonic-distortion-matter.69471/ fixed link

How much better are the Sennheiser HD6xx better than the HD598s?

>>108151667
this retard thinks exclusive mode is placebo while spamming 'science' all over /g/ and ASR, holy fuck lmao

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I just got these
What do I think of them?

>>108151695
Less roll-off in the highs and typically EQs better
598 wins in comfort though easily, there's a reason they were the streamer headphones for a decade+

>>108151417
doesn't that guy tell every1 dacs and amps dont matter here and to buy dongles?
still fell for theDX5 II meme though, strange

>>108151708
He asks a question on ASR and then parrots the answer solderdude gives him incorrectly every time. You know when he's in the thread because the "shiit" puns start and he's active on ASR

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>>108151714
having less likes than posts on ASR is genuinely impressive, might be the easiest forum to farm updoots on ever with '>DAE SCIENCE???' and 'did you double blind it???' posts

>>108151723
>having less likes than posts on ASR is genuinely impressive, might be the easiest forum to farm updoots on ever with '>DAE SCIENCE??
they have uptokes on there too?
what is it with faggots and needing a thumbs up to whatever they say?

>>108151783
Most forums do, but the difference with ASR is every post is a 1:1 or 1:2 ratio of dudes up vote fishing in every thread
You have dudes with 10k posts and 20k likes but if you look in their post history its just them spamming 'did you double blind it?' 10k times

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>>108148512
>FT1 Pro
Stock earpads are absolutely terrible, you need Moonderp's EP100A
Compared to other planars they can do decent sub-bass but this is where the positives pretty much end, If we talk cheap planars I would pick Sundaras over FT1 Pro any day.
>>108150039
This is pretty much a dead end - if you find a high-quality non-chink DAC which does not cost thousands, then it is likely quite old and being old means it does not have USB inputs, only coax and optical.
So you will need to get a DDC, which is of course chink-made.
>>108150104
>a bad unit!
Do they even realize that this makes things even worse and how abyssmal their QC is, if even reviewers get "bad units". Also I don't think there is a QC issue - I demoed all of their recent lineup (He600, XV, Ananda Unveiled) and they are all shit.

>>108150039
Sony AIOs and DAPs are low powered so they only run their own shit.
Luxman is good but pretty pricy.
For Japanese headphones Final are probably the best thing on market rn

>>108151852
Chinkfiman have been downhill since the atrocious R10 knockoffs that werent even close to the R10 FR.

>>108151626
add bloat by boosting 100Hz-350Hz

>>108151866
Sony DAPs are made in china as well, also export version is very cucked in power output.
I got a jp nw-a306 (costed me like 240$ new), it can run HD600 at 95/120 volume but that's pretty much it.
Either way it still beats every DAP chink brands produced by far.

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>>108151991
>Either way it still beats every DAP chink brands produced by far.
even miku?

sucks they are made in china, kind of defeats the jap larp, the walkman and the miku

>>108149069
Yeah, I'm beginning to think it's mostly a weight thing. Although my AKG K361 sound way better, I had to dust off my Koss Kph30ik and start using them again. They used to hurt my ears after wearing them for a while, but that is probably the tradeoff of on ear headphones. So far so good though. Especially over my heavier headphones. But as for discomfort, I think my head might just be sensitive.

>>108151626
High harmonic distortion but before clipping will convert some subbass into bass, which will sound louder. Also headphones with velour pads are never tactile.

Another snake oil destroyed: Headphone distortion is undetectable except at damaging volume levels
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/research/distortion-audibility-listening-tests

>>108152556
>except for 3 non-deaf people(30% of the group) which we excluded from our calculations to make a point we decided in advance

>>108152032
>m500
It weighs twice as much and the battery life is two times less, because chinks can't into hardware optimization.
I do not think that a single Japanese-made android DAP even exists desu. The best bet is probably AK stuff as it is still manufactured in Korea.

>>108151470
>apple dongle
*click*
*crackle*
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/on-the-distortion-of-cirrus-logic-cs431xx-based-devices-a-comparative-review.63038/

>>108152556
This one's really sloppy work even by Olive's typically bad standards. There's a reason it isn't peer reviewed it's just there so he can make a year's profit touring CanJams talking about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ixbO_tKWEE
Resolve wants to be the next Amir so bad, but even Amir wouldn't pretend the HE-1 is mid

>>108153045
>first post is from the boomer who asks ;have you double blinded it?' crying about chi fi being used as a term
ASR isn't a serious forum whatsoever. But yeah, the Crinacle video is funny knowing immediately after this he started spamming dongle collabs and his own products

>>108152556
Bullshit, see >>108145619
Excursions to 100-110dB are very common in movies.

>>108154197
It's literally Olive's money ticket for this year lmao, he already has paid CanJam panels for the year talking about this 'study'

>>108154214
>muh e-celeb drama
nobody should care what non-engineers get up to

>>108154235
Can you point me to Olive's livestream, YouTube channel, or anything else that you make him an 'e-celeb'? Extremely low IQ post, even for /hpg/

>>108154235
maybe stick to posting this one in LTT threads lil bro, you might be retarded

>>108154235
>"nooooo don't talk about how bad the Harman target it it's just e-drama guys don't make fun of my deafzo preferences"

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>>108146474
Making multiple cabinets. They'll go in arcades. So, other cabinets will be around them. I think it'll be facing the player from about 3-4 feet off the ground, L and R.
Neutral near field sounds right. The player playing, and people standing over their shoulder/nearby should hear the sound and music ok.

>>108154245
he doesn't make anything
he says dumb shit
he's going to canjam to solicit money for talking about dumb shit he says
that's e-celeb behavior

>>108154281
>>108154314
back to discord with your bizarre tranny agenda

Headphones shouldn't have holes. Why would you buy a headphone that doesn't block sound? If you're rich enough to afford a place outside of the ghetto, you can afford a set of speakers. Cheese grater headphones have no reason to exist.

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I want to record audio for youtube videos but I live with my parents in a small house so the only place I can record in private is my car with my laptop. Any idea what microphone I could use? thanks.

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>>108153731
>HE-1 is mid
>Is designed and probably is the closest match to the Shartman target
Who would have guessed

>>108154797
The real reason is that GoldenSound has a HE-1 competitor with Warwick Acoustics, these dudes were gassing the HE-1 as the greatest thing ever until GS put his rival product out.
It probably is the biggest reason not to follow e-celebs seriously:
>Resolve is trying very hard to be the next Amir knowing ASR stocks are at record lows with how many fuckups he's had measuring stuff and how bad Topping is
>Listener might actually be 60 IQ
>GS typically has ok takes/tastes but is around two dudes who believe DACs can't ever change sound, so compromises his own beliefs and content to not rock the boat and is neutered as a result
>nobody even knows who the Asian dude is but he talks about $5000 shitbuds so who cares

>>108154780
Just get one of those RODE lapel mics they all use, should do the trick just fine

>>108154780
>he can't fit inside his wardrobe
Razer Seiren V3 mini https://youtu.be/K5PEuUcCFxw

>>108154842
Their tier list has the Audeze Maxwell above actual good headphones, including better Audeze products. Resolve is squirming so much because he hinged his brand on a retarded tier list and Listener made it even worse by publishing the most nonsensical assessment of headphones ever.

>>108154855
Is it actually good? Razer products usually aren't that great.

>>108154842
https://headphones.com/pages/hps-headphone-ranking-list
>GS the only one without performative ratings
lmfao if you take these guys seriously you need help

>>108154872
watch the review??

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>>108154887
>Chinkfiman He600
>One of the top headphones with an average score of 6.5
Haha look at this DMS loser who got a mass production unit instead of reviewer one

>>108155270
apparently its the same one Resolve used so it either got damaged in transit or Resolve is fudging numbers kek

>>108132560
>Closed back wired headphones
>• Shure SRH440A/SRH840A
>• AKG K361/K371
>• FiiO FT1
Do any of these have good sound isolation? I live with people who are nearly deaf and blast TVs all day.

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>>108156022
Do earmuffs + TWS or IEMs

>>108156114
Interesting, I never thought of this.

With MUH EQ MAKES HEADPHONES SO MUCH BETTER being all the rage, how far would I be able to push an Arya Stealth with it? I know they have shit midrange out of the box and I'm looking for a replacement for my HD600s in particular in terms of vocal performance + all-around other stuff. But if EQ is that powerful, surely I can fix them up to fit my needs, right?
I have the opportunity to pick one up for dirt cheap so I wouldn't even mind if it blew up in my face due to being Chinkfiman as long as I can get the sound that I want out of it while it lasts.

>>108156136
For the price of the Arya Stealth you can get the ATH-R70xa which is basically an improved HD600

>>108156114
I do this with that exact ear pro Kek

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>>108156136
Modern chinkshitmans are fucking ass for EQ - unit variation and QC issues makes it difficult to assess FR unless you already own a measurement rig or can smooth the sawtooth midrange bullshit by ear. They also have mediocre distortion profiles so the end result still isn't that good.

>>108156114
this but unironically with IEMs should be good

I'm trying to figure out what wavelengths I need to be adjuisting to get my audio how I want with equalizer software

Are there any real time audio visualizers I can use so I can see where different sounds fall on the spectrum as I'm playing music or a video game to then tweak the equalizer accordingly?

>>108157357
Also, suggestions on equalizer software? I'm new to audio shit so something somewhat simplified or just with an intuitive GUI would be nice

Fluid Audio FX8 or Kali LP6? Both same price (250 euros). The first one is coaxial design (LP6 is 2 ways), and 8inch speaker vs 6inch speaker for the LP6, the FX8 seems to go down a tiny bit more too (35hz vs 37hz) compared to the LP6

>>108157468
if you're new to audio, EQ should be the last thing on your mind

>>108157357
set up foobar 2k like this, it's probably the only decent thing zeos ever put out. Youll have waveform seekbar and an audio visualizer
https://youtu.be/iA3CT2zNs4E

peace eq/equalizer apo for eqing if you want to do that

>>108157574
>Fluid Audio FX8 or Kali LP6?
FYI, both seem to be EOL, the current models would be FX80 v2 and LP-6 v2.
>Fluid Audio
Their coaxials don't seem to be that great: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/fluid-audio-fx50v2-monitor-review.57541/
I'd go for the Kali.

How come the exact same speakers or headphones will sound different depending on if it's connected to my PC via audio jack vs USB C or via bluetooth?

Is there a way to "swap" how it sounds, so when connected via X input, it sounds like how it does when connected with Y input?

I'm on Windows 11

any recommendations for a cheap-ish (<$100) headset with mic? ideally not some garish LED covered gaymer gear shit so it looks presentable in work calls
just something decent off aliexpress

>>108155342
other guys that do headphone measurments in coment section under that video are talking about same thing. there is lots of that zig zag patern with production units. It looks like production batch is fucked and most popular reviewers got cherry picked units

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I need speakers. USB speakers. Are these things ok for the price or are there better brands? USB connectivity is a must sadly so I know I will be sacrificing quality for it

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>>108159092
Internal electronics do some kind of EQ, audio jack probably bypasses them. In theory you can apply the same EQ with software like Equalizer APO, or apply the inverse to undo it, but measurements of the headphone are pretty much a requirement to know exactly what the internal EQ is doing, doing it by ear would be very difficult.

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>>108156136
Here's my EQ for the Arya Stealth. Switched from the HD598. Mostly listen to classical music. I didn't like the 1-2 kHz dip (brass instruments sounded weird), so I leveled it out with the EQ. Otherwise, I don't hear any memes in the midrange (tone sweep or in music).

>>108162021
Sound leakage a problem? If yes, get one from the closed section. If not, check prices and buy the one you like the look of most because they're all solid.

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>>108160244
there is only one cheap headset for the huwite man

>>108161557
Is there a way to reverse the EQ the WH-1000 XM4 and other sony model do? I've tried with measurements of both wired(on) and wired(off) mode via PeqDB's autoEQ and via manual EQ from their website but i always end up with unpleasant louder subbass and highs that sound loud and off.
That said i've been able to prove that at least the headphone sound the exact same(tonally) in bluetooth and wired(on), only diff is latency and noise floor(worse than in LDAC mode but faint and infinitely better than XM5/XM6's)

>>108133292
See>>108133341
Use car audio. If you hate the speakers in your car, replace your in car speakers. If you don't have a way to connect a phone if that is what you want, replace your head unit. Bluetooth speakers in cars is nigger behaviour

>>108134443
Correct me if this is retarded, you just set your DAC to 192khz and upsample lesser stuff to it. This is better than downsampling your 192khz and 96khz tracks to 44.1khz when you play your high res tracks.

>>108163764
Or you just run Exclusive Mode on Foobar/MusicBee/Roon/HQP and you just ignore the Windows audio downsampling bullshit going on

>think I can only hear 17-18Khz on the sine
>recently started working out, lost some weight and ears definitely feel clearer from better airflow
>can hear >20Khz easily on the sine now
Sharur is right apparently being fat rapes your hearing what the fuck lmao

>>108161557
>driver mismatch actually increases
That's some impressive stock EQ.

I have a fiio k11, and when I try to use an equalizer, it results in glitchy audio if I move the sliders a tiny bit from 0. The same headphones equalize fine if I use other sources. Am I getting fiio'd or am I too retarded to use it properly?

>>108164443
>he didn't listen

>>108164443
First rule of chink DACs is chinks never test. Try giving it a longer buffer and see if that helps.

>>108163764
>>108163925
I let my music players play the audio's native resolution, regardless of what I have my DAC set to. I have zero use case for any resampling.

>>108165363
Through EM I hope, otherwise Windows is raping the file with its internal up/downsampling

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Is the outside world quieter than it was a decade ago? Headphones used to block out sound and the most common recommendations were DT770, MDR-7506 and m50x. Nowadays everyone’s told to use HD600/6XX and assorted chi-fi planars, which are all open back. Did the volume level on the world suddenly go down or did gamer PCs just get a lot quieter? It’s odd to see noise isolation no longer being a feature people want. Every commonly-recommended mid-fi headphone from the old days is now massively hated.

Even Beyerdynamic hates themselves, they market DT770/700/etc. as for studio use ONLY. I have never seen a company be as exclusionary towards their intended audience as Beyerdynamic. If you listen to music, your ONLY solution that doesn’t have thousands of hateful reviews, chartfagging, etc. is open back.

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I need a good pair of on ear headphones that are ideally below $100, at most $200. I've had these MDR-V150's for years but they are getting really old and I have never been able to find anything that sounds as good and feels as comfy as these.

As a thank you to any who provide info, I offer a wallpaper that gives me the giggles.

>>108165721
Closed backs are impossible to tune

>>108165493
yes, whatever my DAC is set to in windows (24-bit 48k), is bypassed by my music player through exclusive mode.

>>108165733
https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SHP9500S-Precision-Over-ear-Headphones/dp/B00ENMK1DW?th=1

>>108165721
No, it's just that it's no longer 2013 so wireless ANC headphones/headsets have fully taken over in any segment where outside noise is one of your concerns. If you care about sound quality, open headphones are still king.
Wired non-ANC headphones stand in an awkward spot between these two where they're shit for blocking out noise compared to ANC and vastly inferior to open back if your priority is sound quality. They're so dead in the water that you're likely better off buying a good modern pair of ANC wireless phones and use them wired without the ANC feature enabled if you want a decent closed back pair.

>>108165951
>buy open headphones
>mom keeps asking why she hears farting and moaning from my room
you just can't win

>>108165951
>They're so dead in the water that you're likely better off buying a good modern pair of ANC wireless phones and use them wired without the ANC feature enabled if you want a decent closed back pair.
Oops, I meant " use them wired without the ANC feature DISABLED if you want a decent closed back pair.".

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>HD650
>Dekoni sheepskin pads
>foam removed
>Fiio K13 R2R
>gain: high
>oversampling: no
HOLY FUCKING KINO!!!!! ENDGAME!!! NO EQ NEEDED EVER

>>108165721
People who want noise isolation for home use are generally poor and moved on to IEMs for cost reasons. Also the rise of good / cheap high power headphone amps and open backs with actual bass removed the last argument for closed back headphones in audiophile circles.
>Even Beyerdynamic hates themselves, they market DT770/700/etc. as for studio use ONLY. I have never seen a company be as exclusionary towards their intended audience as Beyerdynamic
This is bait for retard home users. Studios don't want Beyer anything because the shit falls apart. A monitoring headphone's job is to be used by multiple booth monkeys and not fall apart or spread ear herpes. They're not there because they deliver amazing fidelity. Which they don't.

any anons who can recommend me the cheapest and the closest sound signature the Chu 1 had? I loved that the mids were a little forward and female vocals just popped out in front of everything as a result. But the durability is a no go.

>>108165721
>did gamer PCs just get a lot quieter
They did kind of, or at least it's a lot cheaper and less custom work to build a quiet one. Cybenetics noise ratings and new platinum / titanium PSU platforms removed a major barrier.

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Hello /hpg/, not a regular here but please help me choose between these two models:
・Audio-Technica ATH-M40x (https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m40x)
・Audio-Technica ATH-M50x (https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/ath-m50x)
As far as I can tell, the only differences between these two are:
1 - Different driver diameter (40 vs 45 mm)
2 - Slight difference in frequency response.

I'm just not sure whether these differences are worth the price increase.

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>>108132560
>Spend 200€ on a BTR7 for my HD600s
>They sound like shit
>Spend 30€ for the cheapest desk amp I could find (pic related)
>HD600s now sound amazing
I'm never spending anything on overhyped chink-fi ever again

>>108166120
The headbands are also different and the hinges on the 40 like to explode randomly. 50 is beefier.

>>108166125
Let me guess, more bass?

>>108166147
More bass + cleaner mids.
I don't know why but the BTR7 makes them sound even worse than just the headphones with no amp

>>108166120
Consensus here and other HiFi circles is that M40x sound far better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6wBv03B1nk

>>108165747
>>108165951
So all the home noises that people used headphones for (children, loud PCs, HVAC, etc.) suddenly disappeared? Or should this massive demographic just give up on quality audio entirely?

Let’s not forget that the primary purpose of buying a house is to support a family. Or maybe to house your massive gaming rig, I dunno. But in 2026 those aren’t really a thing anymore.

>>108166032
Except Beyer was only cancelled in the past couple of years with the proliferation of Chinese open backs and hurrdurr six hungos. Before then they were always highly recommended.

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>>108166174
More bass on HD600s is usually a product of a source with high output impedance, like a pure tube amp or a crappy motherboard.
The BTR7 is a pretty good source with pretty low output impedance, which gives you less bass on HD600s. Pic related, a comparison between low output impedance (0.1 Ohm, red) and high output impedance (120 Ohm, green).

>>108166297
Beyers have been known to be ear rape treble cannons for deaf idiots for at least a decade now.

>>108166077
just get a pair of moondrop headphones. they their own VDSF tuning on all their shit

>>108166297
Beyer went seriously downhill probably 5 years ago and the results of that are coming home to roost.
>hurrdurr six hungos
Idk what planet you've been living on, but these have been popular for over 20 years.

>>108166512
>they their
they use their own*

>>108166452
They were fine. Now they’re not fine. Same with every other pair of studio headphones.

>>108166512
NTA but even chu 2 doesn't sound the same, what are you on about?

>>108166512
ANY of them?

>>108166518
HD600 is massively over-shilled on /r/headphones thanks to some dipfuck named Dankpods, neither of which have been around for 20 years.

>>108166543
That's just fotm guerilla marketing campaign.

>>108166532
>>108166537
I never said all moondrops sound the same. I said they implement the same target.
Chu 2 is a different driver than og Chu, by the way.

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>>108166617
I forgot to include pic related

>>108166617
i don't really care what they tune it to, i need suggestions that sound similar if not the same

>>108166638
>i need suggestions that sound similar if not the same
you won't find that. you don't even know what you're really asking for, if I can be frank. there are no iems that are 1:1 with headphones in regards to sound. getting a pair of Moondrop headphones that are already chasing the same target as the Chu, will be the closest you can get trying to get 'similar'.

>>108166638
Just get Para II's imo, if you like Moondrop sound you'll like them
Just don't drop them lmao they're fragile pieces of shit, but you're used to that with their IEMs already

>>108166820
>if you like Moondrop sound
that's the issue. I don't even know what the moondrop sound is. I tried many different iems and headphones before but none of them felt the same OG Chu did. I want forward female vocals. I want the female vocals to tickle my balls when I crank up the volume without cymbals going sibilant. I do not want unwanted bass or treble drowning it. And, I don't want to keep buying that shitty iem that shits itself in 3 months

>>108166125
>>108166303
That's a speaker amp rated for 4-8 Ohm loads, surely its output impedance isn't that high. There's a good chance he didn't match levels and thus fell for the louder is better meme. Or maybe its frequency response really isn't flat, the bandwidth is specified as 40 - 40000 Hz, which already strikes me as odd.

>>108166528
They were never fine.
>t. got DT880 as first open back 10 years ago and had to eq down treble

>>108157657
By chance does it also have a way to filter out all the sounds but a specific frequency range if I want to isolate what specific sounds are what frequencies in an even easier way?

So like my speakers would only ever actually play sounds within X or Y range while I have the filter active?

>>108167395
You can do that with Peace GUI for EQ APO.
I'd start with one of the presets called "Equalizer" (5 Band, Default, Octave, etc.), set a preamp gain of -10 dB, and just see what individually boosting each band by +10 dB sounds like.
You can also create custom filters, for example a combination of a low-pass Linkwitz-Riley filter and high-pass Linkwitz-Riley filter for a band-pass effect.
You might also want to look into How To Listen and eqTrainer:
https://harmanhowtolisten.blogspot.com/
https://github.com/potatosalad775/eqTrainer

>>108167561
>harmanhowtolisten
shut the fuck up tranny, go back to /iemg/

>>108166303
Isn't it common for the HD600s to lack bass because of low output power from the source?
>>108166920
>fell for the louder is better meme
Again, my HD600s sound better straight from the jack than from the BTR7. it's not a loudness problem, as I normally listen from around 30-40% volume.
I don't know if my BTR7 is defective desu, but the HD600s sound fucking anemic on It, like I'm listening from a pair of shitty on-ear office headphones. Besides the fact that the audio gets very glitchy when connecting It to my phone via USB-C.
Hell, I get a better sound from phone's headphone jack, and they only reach around 60% the volume from my PC and like 30% compared to my shitty Amp

>>108166120
>>108166139
build quality of m40x is dogshit
plastic hinges
get m50x if it's between them

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>>108166139
>>108166218
>>108167984
Thanks for the insight bros. I might buy one of them later this week.

>>108167915
Nah, low power (or voltage really, HD600s are high impedance cans that need a bit of voltage) just makes them not get loud enough everywhere, not specifically in the bass.

>>108168135
An amp that outputs 1V max sounds the same as an amp that outputs 10V max if you listen to both at 1V.
>>108167915
>Besides the fact that the audio gets very glitchy when connecting It to my phone via USB-C.
I returned btr17 because of that. You probably just got fiio'd.

Is there a new "standard" recommendation for studio headphones at the moment?
At least last I looked around some years back the ATH m50x was what was most popular for the average person who wanted quality but not to spend mad money, I'd assume there's a different product that's taken that position and more widely available currently

Trying to figure out what headphones to recommend to someone who's currently using basic wireless gaming headphones but wants to get into their own audio production so they can at a minimum know what their own stuff sounds like with some quality, and is popular enough they can convince themselves it's worth the money

>>108168480
Koreans still love M50x, so do a bunch of rap producers. Other than that either the typically Sony stuff or bookshelves. Any of the high-end stuff being marketed as 'for studio' (lolAudeze) is capping

pls help

Is the jump from the Sundara to the HE1000 Stealth worth it?

>>108168480
If it's only you using them it can be pretty near anything. $20 IEMs are just as good for one user as any sub-$200 closed back. Studio headphones are the way they are so they can be shared between users. They don't have any magical fidelity sauce. You still need speakers to know how stuff actually sounds.

>>108168596
holy bait.

>>108168604
>but the magical nigger said
Studio monitors all suck.

>>108168546
see >>108151667 - the most raped /hpg/ user getting filtered by his 1k Stealths

>>108168620
>chifi amp
>chifi cans
>harmanslop target
>sounds like earrape
not remotely shocked

Studio headphones are meant for listening to your voice or instruments in real time, not for actual music production. IEMs were originally meant for the same thing but on stage instead of studio before people started calling all in-ears IEMs. Only speakers can have accurate sound reproduction. Some cope by saying headphones have more accurate bass because no room modes but they don't realize the overall bass level of headphones can be off by 15dB depending on the QC/seal/your acoustic impedance, especially in closed back "studio" headphones.

>>108168679
what are good active speakers for music production then sir

>>108168695
Dutch & dutch 8c.

How many dB of bass shelf should I put on Sennheisers

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>>108168791

>>108168791
15, if you dare.

>>108168695
pro ac.

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>>108168620
So.. that means the hek stealth is bad?? They look so comfy

Ordered some meme pads for my sennheiser hd600. Interested to see if they sound better or worse than originals. In any case the originals don't last for shit so if it's even close I will consider it a win

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>>108165721
The Fiio FT1 cleared the budget closed-back competition, so there's little discussion about closed backs now.

>>108168596
So if a regular consumer wants to listen to music without hearing racket, we're forced to use Bluetooth or Chinese ear dildos? Why is 2026 so shitty?

>>108167004
That's why the 770 were promoted as "bass cannons" with "smooth treble" for many years. Only recently have people said they are bass-anemic with "spiky" treble just like the 880.

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>>108171953
I've literally never heard this, even in old guides the DT770 treble was described as potentially fatiguing. Notably the author is deaf enough to describe the T1 treble as smooth and not bring up the HD800 6K peak so you know it has it be really bad.

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>https://hydrogenaudio.org/index.php/topic,107124.msg880865.html#msg880865
>https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/page-24#post-751177
Reminder that Amir thinks MQA is good and you shouldn't be taking advice from this shitskin on anything

>>108172367
The fact that they're even on that list is remarkable. Look at the list we have now. They're essentially cancelled. Also note how being open back was also listed as a negative back then.

>>108172367
Also calling 650s warm when they're the flattest POS out there and need EQ or some tuning

>>108174222
They are warm
But they are not bassy, there is no contradiction here

>>108174188
They got cancelled because younger people started getting into audio and could actually hear treble unlike old deaf boomers.

>>108174188
Yeah because people who bought based on that chart got fucked in the ass by Beyer's new $500 drivers. This was also before planar headphones became accessible and there was a real trade between bass and soundstage for most people. Now open back is just better unless you need isolation, and in that case you're probably looking at IEMs.

>>108175800
>>108175800
Fresh bread

>>108174755
The ability of people to psyop themselves into believing just about anything to be the holy grail of sound can't be overestimated, and many people still fall for the tale of treble rape + no bass = "detailed" / "neutral" = good.

>>108175808
Thanks nigga!

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Give me the redpill on Moondrop Old Fashioned. It's pretty cheap, worth a purchase?

>>108176986
By most accounts it's just a worse KPH40, and those aren't that expensive to begin with.