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Previous thread: >>108166527
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The right man in the wrong distro can make all the difference in the world.
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libd3dadapter9 mesa 25 removed this. I need it for gallium9 wine. What do?
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Been using Linux for 20+ years now and man it's really never been better. Running CachyOS, Debian, and Fedora on different systems for different use cases and they all just work. Installation is a breeze. All my games just work. Haven't had to troubleshoot anything in months, and every problem I've had in the last couple years had a solution already on the archwiki. I remember way back in the day wrestling with my system trying to get the Wi-Fi and sound to work. Never would've imagined the progress that's been made even 5 years ago. We've really come a long way /g/entoomen.
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I just uninstalled Kmines after months of Minesweeper addiction.
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Playing around with bc for fun and noticed this.
Can anyone explain why the result changes?
$  printf "scale=6; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
262.500000
$ printf "scale=5; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
262.50000
$ printf "scale=4; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
262.0800
$ printf "scale=3; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
260.400
$ printf "scale=2; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
252.00
$ printf "scale=1; 8400 * (1/32)\n" | bc
0


To my understanding, `scale' should only affect the decimals after the separator, but it seems like it changes the way it calculates it?
Also, shouldn't `scale=1' be 252 (or something in that neighbourhood)?
Checking online, I don't find anything that explains this.
It's the same if I invoke bc directly and not piping into it.
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Gonna install Linux Mint XFCE on my laptop
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>>108179213
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>>108179560
>libd3dadapter9
Is it not available via your package manager?
Have you looked through the dll installer in winetricks?
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Does anyone experience this issue:

I have a Lenovo laptop and sometimes when I leave the system suspended to RAM for a long time I come back to find the system completely unresponsive, the keyboard doesn't work, not even the magic SysRq keys work, and the screen is completely black and without any backlight.
Pretty much the only thing I can do at that point it hold down the power button till it powers off.

I have no idea where to even begin diagnosing this, how does such a thing even occur? The only thing I know is that the longer I leave the system suspended the more likely I am to find it in an unresponsive state, e.g. If suspend to RAM, then come back 10 minutes later it wakes up normally, but if I suspend to RAM then come back after a day it's completely unresponsive.

If this matters I have had this issue on both Debian and Devuan, but I have not tested on any other distro, is this some Debian specific problem?
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>>108179700
1/32 = 0.03125
I believe scale=n also means round all numbers to n digits after the decimal point, so
since 1/32 = 0.03125
with scale=5 we have
>1/32 = 0.03125
with scale=4
>1/32 = 0.0313
with scale=3
>1/32 = 0.031
with scale=2
>1/32 = 0.03
with scale=1
>1/32 = 0.0

So in the last one you were really multiplying by zero.
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>>108179831
>Does anyone experience this issue:
suspend issues are one of the banes of my existence. sometimes you get lucky and it just works, often you don't
the feature was never important enough for me to try to make it work at all cost
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>>108179213
>>108179791
>Imagine being so thin you look at food and see computers
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>try to install notable on arch from their website https://notable.app/#download
>try "pacman -U notable.pacman"
>Get two dependencies "http-parser" and "libappindicator-sharp" but pacman can't find them.
Do you know where I can find those? First time I see a .pacman file so I'm kind of winging it.
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>>108179831
>the longer I leave the system suspended the more likely I am to find it in an unresponsive state
it might be trying to suspend-to-disk (hibernate). you can either disable suspend-to-disk or see if it is configured correctly to rule it out as the issue.
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>>108180030
>it might be trying to suspend-to-disk (hibernate).
But I have swap disabled, and there is no option to suspend to disk in my case
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>>108179864
Oh.
OOOOH.
Shitting fuck, yeah. You are absolutely right about that.
It didn't occur to me that the arguments are also affected by scale.
I skimmed through the man page ( /scale ) before asking but didn't find anything conclusive.
But now, looking at it more thorough it does mention that scale applies to all expressions as well.
Guess, I should've just read more thoroughly to begin with instead of asking dumb questions.
Cheers!
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>>108179983
For some reason I'm imagining this post in the missing dog flyer format
>have you seen my dependencies
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>>108179831
>Does anyone experience this issue:
>I have a Lenovo laptop
No, I never experienced the issue of owning a Lenovo laptop.

On a serious note, I did experience this a couple of times on my desktop and my laptop. On the desktop my PC would randomly wake from sleep to a black screen and be unresponsive. But I realized later if I wait 5-30 minutes it wakes up properly without needing a reboot. Never cared to check why this happens because it's so rare.

As for the Lelnovo laptop I have, it has a hardware issue. If you touch the bottom of it slightly too hard something short circuits, probably the GPU. When this happens the display just completely freezes, audio gets stuck in a loop and nothing can fix it aside from a hard reset by holding a power button. If it gets bent during sleep, the screen remains black just like yours.
This could be what you're experiencing. Which laptop model do you have?
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>>108179771
I just switched to Linux Mint XFCE
File manager looks kind of ugly
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>>108180083
Well shit, I never considered it might be a hardware issue since this laptop is very old now
>If you touch the bottom of it slightly too hard something short circuits
>If it gets bent during sleep
I just close the lid then leave it unattended, I don't put any objects on top of my laptop that would cause it to bend
>Which laptop model do you have?
Ideapad 130-15IKB
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>>108179831
I have a one and had issues with that thanks to the Nvidia dgpu+amd igpu combo. Had issues waking up from sleep and the Nvidia card wouldn't go into power saving mode either which meant it'd eat the battery in 2 or 3 hours.
The fix for me was fiddling with the config of the proprietary nvidia drivers. Haven't had issues ever since then even if I let it sleep all night. If you don't have an Nvidia card then I dunno what the cause might be.
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>>108180063
could you provide the following:
>distro
>de
>init system/bootloader
>cpu/gpu
>kernel version
i am new here and only have experience trouble shooting this on a systemd laptop.
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>>108179983
http-parser is in the AUR so just use yay or paru to install it. libappindicator-sharp may have been in the AUR many years ago, but was removed at some point. Try running pacman -U notable.pacman --assume-installed libappindicator-sharp and see if it works. If not, just install via appimage since all the dependencies will be bundled.
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>>108180175
I provided most of that above but okay:
>distro
I used Debian, now using Devuan, the issue happens on both
>de
I have used GNOME and Xfce on Debian, then Xfce and now using MATE on Devuan, the issue happens on all of them
>init system
systemd on Debian, now on sysvinit with Devuan, the issue happens on both
>bootloader
grub, it's always been grub
>cpu/gpu
Intel i7-8550U + Geforce MX110
>kernel version
6.12.69+deb13-amd64
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>>108179791
>imagine being at computers a
>so fat you look nd see food
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>>108180348
>canadian version
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I love the new generation of Linux users fleeing Windows 10/11. They don't care about init wars, they don't care about the Plasma 4 dark ages, they don't care about manually installing Arch, they don't care about CentOS being discontinued, they don't care about NeoFetch, they don't care about Thinkpads, and they don't care about Poettering. They just want something that's fucking good, and in that modern Linux spoils them with quality, and no amount of boomer seething will ever change that nor convince them to give a fuck about alternate init systems or PulseAudio.
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I just spent forever trying to get a path with a space in a .desktop Exec= line to work just to give up and use a helper script instead.

This is such a trash standard and the documentation is the worst.
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>>108180456
ask chatgpt
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>>108180072
Please, they are good dependencies. My family love them
>>108180184
Thanks, man
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>>108180437
>loves the new generation
>posts pedobear
hmmmmmmmm
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>>108180467
useless

It only gives me answers that work for other fields like Icon= (yes, the escaping behaviour is different for different keys, that's how shit the standard is) or only works with a .desktop launcher while my .desktop file is for a URL handler instead (could possibly be because I launch those from KDE while URL handlers get through xdg-open)
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>>108180526
unless you wanna share your specific problem this works just fine for me
#!/usr/bin/env xdg-open
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Name=FurMark
Exec="/home/user/Schreibtisch/TEST TEST TEST/FurMark_linux64/FurMark_GUI"
Terminal=false
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>>108179213
I guess I accidentally posted in the counterfeit thread. I just installed Ubuntu 25.10 to try out linux. Using a browser to enable extensions to change the functionality of my desktop doesn't make any sense.
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>>108180564
Not an URL handler.

It needs to be in /usr or .local/share/applications:
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Exec=env FUCK=SHIT program "tried ten different ways to escape the spaces here" %u
Name=Foobar
MimeType=x-scheme-handler/nxm;x-scheme-handler/nxm-protocol
NoDisplay=true


and run with xdg-open "nxm://rest/of/some/url"
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>>108180576
>Ubuntu 25.10
you better be ready to upgrade in a couple of months.
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>>108180576
you can use extension-manager if you don't want to open your browser to download extensions:
sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-manager
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>>108180624
>sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-manager
Thanks, anon.
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>>108180564
oh I also noticed that your example does not contain a single path with a space in it
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>>108180576
Ubuntu only attracts users today because of brand recognition from 2008; it hasn't been decent in a very long time. Consider Kubuntu if you absolutely insist on using Canonical's distros:
sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt remove ubuntu-desktop
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>>108180675
>just install the kubuntu package and fuck your gnome installation
can you not recommend new users shoot themselves in the foot? if you don't like gnome the proper solution is to do a clean install of the kubuntu spin.
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>>108180699
That's how you switch DE's on Ubuntu: with metapackages like these. It'll be the same as a fresh install of Kubuntu without having to back up his apps and files in advance.
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>>108180714
it won't, you'll have dozens of leftover junk shit. even if you're lucky and canonical actually cleans up the root folder correctly and removes all the gnome dependencies you'll still have junk in your home folder.
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>>108180714
NTA but I have already explained why this is a bad idea few threads ago >>108162347, it is possible to switch DEs if you know your way around recommended and virtual packages and keep tight track of everything, but new users are unlikely to be aware of all the intricacies of apt
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>>108180675
>>108180699

I might do a clean install of Kubuntu next but Cinnamon DE seems to be a pretty good one so far.
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>>108180726
>it won't, you'll have dozens of leftover junk shit
The metapackage is all of the junk shit, lol, it's literally how Canonical builds Ubuntu and its flavours.
>junk in your home folder
GNOME specific config files maybe? You can just delete your ~/.config folder if you want them gone.
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>>108180739
cinnamon is pretty slow to update - they still don't have a stable wayland implementation.
kde is more for power users, you better like configuring shit.
ubuntu actually uses a heavily modified version of GNOME where they undo pretty much every controversial change.
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>>108180739
Desu don't install Kubuntu or anything Canonical. And Cinnamon is just so far behind Plasma that there's no reason to use it if you're not a Mint user
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>>108180755
>kde is more for power users, you better like configuring shit
This is absolutely false. Plasma's defaults are completely sensible and Windowslike, because the entire point of Plasma is to just be Windows without having to use 6GB of RAM after a cold boot. You confuse "it lets you customise it" with "you better like configuring it" because most Plasma users don't even configure anything.
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>>108180769
>kde is great because you can configure shit
>actually most users don't even configure anything
you can't have both mate.
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>>108180777
Yes, you can have both. I can't even begin to map out where the contradiction lies.
>most users like the defaults
>it lets you change it anyway if for whatever reason you don't
What pilpul am I dealing with here?
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>>108180760
>Desu don't install Kubuntu or anything Canonical. And Cinnamon is just so far behind Plasma that there's no reason to use it if you're not a Mint user
Sounds like Mint with KDE would be the best. Even Ubuntu's implementation of Gnome kind of sucks ass so I can only imagine vanilla would be more akin shit.

>>108180755
>they still don't have a stable wayland implementation.
What does that mean for me?
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>>108179213
Kind of ironic using Steve Jobs for that.
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>>108180788
>Even Ubuntu's implementation of Gnome kind of sucks ass so I can only imagine vanilla would be more akin shit.
vanilla gnome is very different from the regular windows experience.
>What does that mean for me?
it won't mean much in the long term because they're working on it. but short term, especially if you're using amd, worse multi monitor support, no hdr, worse security, and janky behavior.
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>>108180788
>What does that mean for me?
Multimonitor support is garbage, HDR support is nonexistent, VRR support is nonexistent, if you have a 1440p or 4K display then Mint is a non-starter, and screen tearing is still a problem especially on modest hardware.
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>>108180823
>if you have a 1440p or 4K display then Mint is a non-starter,
I'm running a 3060 so 1440p or higher is a non-issue.
>>108180821
>especially if you're using amd, worse multi monitor support, no hdr, worse security, and janky behavior.
Does this have an impact on Nvidia?
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>>108180847
>Does this have an impact on Nvidia?
Yes, X11 (Mint's display technology) is ass on all hardware
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>>108180847
>Does this have an impact on Nvidia?
afaik nvidia defaults to x11 anyways, so you're probably not even using wayland right now.
fyi gnome is completely removing x11 support so don't upgrade to 26.04 if you plan on using it.
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>>108180861
>afaik nvidia defaults to x11 anyways
That's not true
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>>108180788
>Sounds like Mint with KDE would be the best
Eh, Mint is using Ubuntu LTS as its basis, so its repository is currently stuck on a 2023 version of Plasma, which is not great compared to what everybody else is rocking now. And unlike switching DE's on other distributions, purging Mint of Cinnamonisms is actually a lot more involved. Mint also doesn't really do anything special; every nicety Mint got praised for in the mid 2010's is just standard across 99% of distros now. Unless a distro has some particularly stupid flaw, most distros are 99% the same now and the biggest difference is just which DE's are available. So if you want to use KDE, you'd be better off just installing a different distro that comes with KDE.
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You see that black line on the top right? That's my cursor, tucked all the way into the topright corner What should this do? Hover over the "Close" button, right? Nope, not on Firefox. Mozilla are fucking retarded, FIX THIS SHIT.
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>>108180871
yeah apparently wayland is the default even for nvidia since ubuntu 24.10, which doesn't say much given that these versions are mostly for testing purposes.
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>>108180889
>>108180788
I'm not even sure whether Discover can actually track Mint point releases since Mint uses some weird infrastructure for upgrades. There's just no point installing Plasma on Mint outside of curiosity.
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>>108180889
>Mint also doesn't really do anything special; every nicety Mint got praised for in the mid 2010's is just standard across 99% of distros now.
Unrelated to the original topic, but they still do things better than these other 99% distros. Their software update tool is still better for non-technical users than what others do (delegate the task to GNOME/KDE's historically buggy stores, make a barebones tool that is even more unstable than the app stores, use an old tool that hasn't been maintained in 10 years or just tell you to use the terminal) and has nice extra features like managing PPAs and different kernels with an easy UI. Them shipping a system restore tool as a way to protect users from breaking their OS after following random advice on internet is another thing they have over most other general purpose distros.
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>>108180755
>>108180821
>>108180823
>>108180859
I really don't get this. I've been using Mint for the past 2 weeks on a multimonitor setup (1080p vertical, 1440p horizontal, both 144hz) and it's been running perfectly fine. Runs all games I've tried so far with no screen tearing or anything going on, on X11 with a 4080. I didn't do anything to it, just a completely vanilla install of Mint Cinnamon. Are people really having these problems with Mint?
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>>108181034
>Their software update tool is still better for non-technical users than what others do
HUH. Okay, no, it isn't, because Mint's update tool REQUIRES advance technical knowledge of how to upgrade to the next version of Mint. On any distro with Discover, you just press "Update" in Discover and it doesn't just update your packages as per the current point release, but will also upgrade you to the next point release if one exists. On Mint's update tool however, you need to twiddle through a dropdown menu to change your sources to the next point release. Moreover, there is nothing user-friendly about splitting installing software and updating software into two separate programs; why can't the app store in Mint serve updates?
>shipping a system restore tool
Shipping a system restore tool would be great if Mint didn't force you to use ext4; I always see Mint users befuddled at how much disk space they're using and invariably it goes back to the humongous r-sync snapshots.
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>>108181034
Yeah, their store is simple and consistent looking. A bit slow with search from what I remember when I tried it a couple of years ago, but GNOME Software and specially Discover is an absolute godawful mess, it's no wonder we have all of these random alternatives.
The system restore tool is timeshift though. It's a simplistic tool with not too many options. Until CachyOS came around to it openSUSE was the only distro to push enabling btrfs snapshots by default.
You could say that Mint took the bare minimum consideration that some other distros didn't at the time, but right now a lot of alternatives just moved on past these things (and that's without going into the atomic territory).
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>>108181078
>both 144hz
That's the thing: your monitors have the same refresh rate. If your monitors' refresh rates are not divisible by each other, it's gonna be screwed up. Never mind that VRR is a non-starter, which you would definitely appreciate on your 144Hz monitor given that it almost certainly supports VRR. Moreover, most 1440p monitors are not 96 DPI, which means fractional scaling would be very welcome on Mint; fractional scaling is a non-starter on Mint.
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So my Baloo bugged when I paused it while it was indexing and now won't index 1 of my drives. It just ignores any new files on that drive but not on others. I've tried restarting, removing/re-adding the drive, turning on and off baloo but it still refuses to index new files on that drive. I will still index/forget individual files if I invoke the command on it the file but nothing if I target the entire folder, presumably because it still considers it indexed even if it's not being indexed.

Is there a solution to this other than purging the entire index and rebuilding it?
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>>108180909
DE? If it's GNOME, that's just a GNOME problem
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>>108181256
I'm on Plasma, but Firefox's window frame uses GTK.
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Anyone use Xfce/Thunar? Why does tumbler always do a rescan of your thumbnails folder if you move a folder somewhere? This creates a huge I/O spike if you have gigabytes of thumbnails. Surely there's a better way.
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>>108181380
>Surely there's a better way.
.DS_Store
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>>108181401
I don't think that works because thumbnails generate for many files, not just images and videos.
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>>108181616
I wasn't being serious.
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>>108181380
I'm using Thunar and sometimes it crashes when I'm renaming a directory. It actually crashes pretty often.
I haven't paid any attention to the thumbnailing process, might actually disable that altogether if it's even possible.
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How to deal with a program not responding? Sometimes something freezes and it seems there is fuck all I can do for a good minute. Running pkill or killall in the console doesn't close it, going to the System Monitor to end the task doesn't close it. On Windows at least ending a task in the Task manager would actually immediately end it.
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>>108181875
>On Windows at least ending a task in the Task manager would actually immediately end it.
That's the same as pkill or killall actually.
For things that are frozen you can use kill -9. A normal kill will gently ask the program to terminate itself, which it just can't do if it's actually frozen. With -9 you don't ask gently, you murder it.
Note that this is not the standard for reasons, as it doesn't give the program the chance to complete the write it is doing etc. Hence it's better to gently ask first.
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>>108180889
de isn't important install gentoo use lxqt and shut the fuck up don't bloat the thread
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I just want to share that. After years using Opensuse Leap and avoiding Wayland and KDE 6 in my 10 yo potato, I gave up and Installed Debian instead of Leap 16.

And it's beautiful. Everything works flawless for a just normal user like me. What kind of black magic is that?
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>>108181938
>lxqt
No superbar.
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Still can't run a command on a file called "-1.png" without it throwing a wobbly.
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>>108182031
you just have to do ot correctly
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>>108181988
>superbar
I have no idea what is it anon. Use case for superbar?
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>>108181697
Yes you can remove tumbler, as it is just a recommend package. You will lose the ability to generate thumbnails though obviously. Alternatively disable generation in the config file.

Maybe disable the background daemon of thunar too (will be enabled if using in Xfce).
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>>108181979
mailbox vsync is just better
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>>108182031
It's because the argument parser parsers it as an option/argument instead of a filename.
You just have to:
PROG -- -1.png


For example:
stat -- -1.png
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>run modern AAA 3d games using all kinds fancy graphics hardware features with wine
>works without problem
>run little .net gui modding tool for the game
>will not work at all no matter you do
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>>108181875
I usually throw it a less commonly trapped term signal like SIGLOST and if that doesn't work SIGKILL / kill -9. See signal(7). SIGKILL should be a last resort because it makes the kernel forcibly unload the program without allowing it to kill its child processes or relinquish shared resources. Needing to use this is usually an indicator of driver malfunctions.
>On Windows at least ending a task in the Task manager would actually immediately end it.
Probably because your hardware has working Windows drivers. Afaik Windows doesn't even give you a kill -9 equivalent in the GUI task manager.
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>>108182594
I fucking hate dotnet. Even on windows they were finicky little shits.
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>>108182699
Yeah I once had a several hour Skyrim modpack install foiled by an unskippable .net GUI that makes you select the level of horse cock wobble or something equally asinine.
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>>108182758
BodySlide is more complicated than installing an LFS system
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>>108182594
>run modern AA 3d game that just came out yesterday
>absolutely zero issues plays flawlessly
>try to run old fucking graphics editing suite not by adobe that shouldn't require more than what my laptop can do
>suffering and pain and rape and ultimate anal death
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HOLY SHIT xfce sucks
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>>108180909
Are you using CSD or SSD for the firefox window? my SSD buttons work fine
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>>108180909
I use zen browser (firefox with gay fancy flamboyant bullshit), I'm on Plasma, and I can activate the close button by just doing exactly that.
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>>108180909
>>108183105
By the way just to test this out:
I installed firefox again (though I'm on openSUSE).
By default it activated CSD. Big ass thick tab bar. I shoved the cursor tight in there, still activated the close button.
But then I disabled CSD (enabled the title bar) and it also let me do that. Conclusion: Not a problem with firefox.
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I dont notice the difference between windows or linux gaming, its the same to me on zorinOS.

All my games play the exact same so what do I need windows for.

I'm building a new 4K PC with a new GPU, new miniled monitor, new CPU and it will be linux only.
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My root BTRFS system is performing so horribly with QEMU/KVM VM's that I'm contemplating on doing a reinstall with root ZFS. I did some experiments on my laptop and ZFS has none of these performance issues whatsoever. Any anons here who realized the same? It doesn't matter how I try to optimize stuff, I set CoW off for the VM disk image path recursively and so on, it doesn't matter it's still shit and noticeably slow.
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>>108183492
Since you disabled CoW anyway, why not make a separate ext4 partition and put your VM image there?
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Is it bad to have too many packages installed on a distro like arch linux? Also should i install prism launcher using the system package or flatpak?
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>>108183520
I could, sure, but I just wish there was something like BTRFS/ZFS that didn't have horrible issues with edge-cases like this. Literally everything else I do on my PC works, just that VM disks are very slow.
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>>108183455
it's now only an issue with anti cheat slop gaymes that the developers have a hard on to not enable it for linux
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>>108182907
Nu-uh, best DE (if you don't need Wayland). It's snappy and lightweight but doesn't have ultra minimalism cancer and comes with proper desktop elements instead.
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>>108183492
Just turn off CoW. qcow already does all that for you. Why aren't you using a block storage pool in the first place if you care about performance?
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>>108183702
I turned off CoW, didn't you read my post? I don't care about VM performance if it isn't noticeable.
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So I changed a few stuff to make gnome look decent enough for my taste, but I still can't figure out fonts. How is it that shit looks both tiny AND large at the same time? Pic related, the posts seem kinda tiny, yet the text on the browser's tab are enormous.

I've reset everything to default in gnome tweaks, but it just looks like ass. At this point I'd be fine with windows fonts too.
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>>108183706
>waaah performance is bad
>i don't actually care
fuck off
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>>108183752
Yes, it's noticeably bad, that is the problem, as in "takes 30 minutes to unpack gentoo stage3 tar.xz"-bad. I don't understand how you managed to get yourself upset over this.
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Fedora with Gnome cured my OS and distro hopping. Giving up on (((modern))) (((gaming))) helps a lot on having a stable care-free system.
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>>108183771
You were given a solution and you don't want it. You want to idly complain about shit like a woman. Shrink your filesystem, make a blank partition, create a block storage pool in virt-manager, never have block VM storage performance issues again.
>but zfs
If you were too stupid to figure this out zfs would only filter you harder some other way.
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>>108183798
You started this whining rampage from the moment I told you that I turned off CoW, I don't know why you are so upset anon, I didn't deny the fact that a separate ext4 or xfs partition is a decent solution. Why would ZFS filter me? I have no problem installing ZFS with encryption on Gentoo, I don't care, I just want shit to work and I asked for anon's experiences and you manage to get so upset over this for whatever reason. I'm not here to whine, I'm here to chill.
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>>108183821
I'm not that guy and I don't have a stake in the argument but are you absolutely sure you turned off CoW? Because it really sounds like its still on. I think you can't do it after the file has been created, the dir needs +C set beforehand. I don't see why btrfs would be so much slower with it off.
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>>108183835
lsattr shows C for the path and the files under it, but I will now try again on my second SSD which also has a BTRFS filesystem. Maybe the NoCow wasn't working for some reason? I don't know, I'll try. Cheers anon.
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>>108183752
This is not a friendly post.
Mods, crush his balls.
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>>108183761
Please
for the love of God
stop recommending Ubuntu to noobs, at least not vanilla Ubuntu
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>>108183492
>>108183574
You might be interested in reading this
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/757668/why-is-it-recommended-to-add-nodatacow-to-a-vm-image-on-btrfs-but-using-a-qcow2
tl;dr use raw images instead of qcow2 for VMs and reenable CoW for btrfs
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I am interested in using LMDE 7 as my main OS but I have a couple of questions about it, maybe someone here can answer them:
I have an AMD GPU and I've been led to believe that whatever drivers and codecs that come preinstalled will most likely be enough for a smooth gaming experience, can anyone here confirm/deny? I have zero interest in AAA shit so I wouldn't be playing anything too demanding anyway

Also, I understand it comes with Kernel 6.12
I know very little about Linux as a whole, but is an older version of the Kernel a security risk? I don't think hardware compatibility will be a problem because literally none of my components are recent so that part shouldn't be a problem. I think
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>>108183736
Fonts inside the browser (except the tabs, bookmarks or url font) are controlled by the browser settings, not the system settings. Go to about:preferences and increase the font size
Fonts on the browser tabs are controlled by the system font settings, go to your system settings and decrease the size there
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>>108184310
You shouldn't worry about kernel versions unless you have really new hardware, as for security, even older kernels receive security patches when there's a problem, so you shouldn't worry about it.
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>>108184365
>even older kernels receive security patches when there's a problem, so you shouldn't worry about it.
Cool, I was hoping that was the case
Thanks m8
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>>108179213
I'm getting unicode errors in RPGM when I try to run it through wine, is this a runtime error or is this a region lock error? Do you think changing my region to Japanese will fix the problem? I know next to nothing about unicode.
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>>108184589
Yeah probably wrong locale. Which RPGM are you using? FYI, if it's MV (has something like nw.pak) then it uses chrome and you can run it natively (and you should because chrome is laggy as fuck in wine).
Either way try LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8 or something similar. Hell of a lot easier than locale emulator at least.
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Any way to play old flash games on linux without a browser? I want to play this game i used play as a kid Swords and sandals 2
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>>108184637
Yup that works but how to set it up globally so all I need to do is click or launch the game?
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>>108184774
It might be easier to just play through the emulator at Internet archive, but if you specifically want to play it locally all you need to do is download a flash player, which I'm pretty sure there are native players for linux and if there isn't, it's easy to emulate via wine or just play through a web browser.
https://archive.org/details/swords-and-sandals-2_flash
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>>108184774
Install flashpoint through wine:
https://flashpointarchive.org/downloads
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>>108184801
>>108184816
I will check it out. Thanks
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Bros I'm a retarded newfag how do I actually use Wine? I just wanna install Diablo 2 and play it.
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>>108185030
Install Diablo 2 with lutris or add a non-steam game to steam and launch it with compatibility mode selecting whichever proton version you want.
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>>108182071
>Use case for superbar
Taskbar efficiency
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>>108182758
>>108182594
Did you install the required dotnet version?
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>>108185030
If you're a retarded newfag does use Wine directly. Use something like Bottles or Lutris instead.
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I started using Fedora, why every time two minutes passes do I have to add some kind of other repository to get basic ass software? They aren't even like built in commands, there's whatever the fuck DNF, RPM, and COPR repos I have to add. Never had this problem on another distro
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>>108185341
Lutris is snake oil. Wine just lets me double click and exe and it just werks
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Just installed Arch on a Lenovo Ideapad 120S 14|AP. I cannot for the life of me get the trackpad working. Using Gnome (Wayland) if that helps.

Tried adding "i8042.nopnp=1 pci=nocrs" to limine bootloader.
Tried installing libinput
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debian or fedora?
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>>108185517
m'lady
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>>108185489
Have you tried loading i2c_hid_acpi with modprobe?
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so should i switch from sddm to plasma login now?
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>>108185179
Yes. In my case it was an actual unsupported Windows API call.
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>>108179213
man, he looks soooo aids in that picture lol
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>>108185648
no success unfortunately
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>>108185030
In the console navigate to the program directory and run `wine setup.exe` or whatever. Most distros have their binfmt / file manager rigged to run exe files in wine automatically like other Anon was saying. If you're working with images of the original CDs, you may need to install cdemu to mount them.

>>108185058
>>108185058
These are more likely to add problems if anything. 99% of the time mainline wine is all you need. Possibly with a couple of winetricks verbs. If your distro doesn't provide good wine packages, that's an excellent reason to stop using it.
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i switched to arch from windows, everything has been going great and the system runs almost perfectly, my only problem is that for some reason whenever i use ethernet i will just randomly drop internet for like 5-10 seconds and then it comes back. i know it's not the cable because i've tried multiple, and i know it's not my internet because wifi works just fine, so maybe it's a driver issue? i read online that r8169 driver kinda sucks so maybe that's the issue?
my motherboard is the
>ROG STRIX X870E-E GAMING WIFI7 R2/USBC CARD
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>>108184784 (Me)
Is it possible to have Japanese locale but English language in Wine? I actually manged to do that in Mint but I honestly forgot how to do that, the game runs fine but everything in winecfg is in japanese now lol
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>>108185853
We speak English
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>>108185911
I do, you don't.
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>>108185852
>i read online that r8169 driver kinda sucks so maybe that's the issue?
That does sound like Realtek. I still get issues with the r8152 driver sometimes. I'm not even sure if it's always the driver, the hardware is just crap.

Thankfully, these issues are rare. It's been a while since my last "Realtek driver dead locks the entire fucking kernel" episode. I don't know if Linux got more robust there or not because the driver hasn't changed.
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is fedora kde a good option for someone who;
- has never used linux before
- likely will not be interested in messing with anything
- watches twitch and plays games (he does not use his personal computer for work, that's what work computers are for)
- needs to be pretty much a drop-in replacement for windows (hence i'm really just looking at KDE)

otherwise what's a good go-to "heavyweight" distro that's good for running games on (so ideally pretty up to date packages) while also being very hands-off in terms of maintenance?
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>>108185985
If they can handle RPMFusion for codecs, yes. Otherwise, one of the Fedora derived distros that fixes the brain damage for you.
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>>108185996
i can set it up for him, he's a roommate.
i've used linux a long time, i've even used fedora once before.... fedora core 5 (2006). but i'm in too deep to know what distros are the current recommendations for "just werks" purposes
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>>108186012
Then it's probably fine.
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>>108185985
Ultramarine KDE is probably what you're looking for. It's Fedora, except it comes with multimedia codecs and NVIDIA drivers.
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>>108183761
Wrong.
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>>108186056
never heard of it, is there a difference besides coming with non-free codecs and nvidia drivers? he does use an nvidia card naturally, but if it's just a case of installing those myself i can handle that
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>>108186078
>is there a difference besides coming with non-free codecs and nvidia drivers?
Nah, it's just Fedora with 5 minutes of setup done for you. Since you're willing to do the 5 minutes on your friend's behalf anyway, it really makes no difference in your situation.
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>>108186103
fair enough, i would prefer to use a more upstream distro unless there's a really good reason otherwise
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>>108185985
KDE has the best compositor for gaming and keeps up with new gaming features faster than GNOME. Fedora is the fastest non-rolling release distro these days when it comes to getting up to date packages. It's a very good combo. Set up a backup solution with BTRFS because that isn't enabled out of the box. Fedora is going to require a little bit of maintenance however especially around the time new versions release and you have to upgrade, but nothing crazy. You can alleviate most of that potential headache by telling them to just wait a few weeks before moving to a new number version.
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>>108186116
>Fedora is going to require a little bit of maintenance however especially around the time new versions release
Any examples? Worst I can think of is the neofetch maintainer not pushing a compatible version of neofetch in time for the Plasma 6.6 update.
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>>108186116
yea kde is an obvious choice it has always been the most feature-complete "windows like" desktop
>Fedora is the fastest non-rolling release distro these days when it comes to getting up to date packages.
that sounds perfect, that's about what i remember, but it's been a long time since i looked into it. just need something new enough to run games well on recent hardware, but not so much that you can't expect updates to work unattended
>Fedora is going to require a little bit of maintenance however especially around the time new versions release and you have to upgrade
any examples? last time i used a stable release distro was ubuntu in like 2011, and while i remember having annoyances during dist-upgrades, i don't remember what specifically. i moved to arch after that then finally gentoo. i like rolling release since i like to try new things, but it's not something i could give to someone not interested in linux
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got an old i5 latitude picking up dust
thinking about turning it into a lightweight server. Was thinking of a minimal fedora server (already used to fedora since it's a my daily driver) install but I wonder if there's was a more lightweight distro.
Recommendations?
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>>108186157
both fedora and kde require maintenance.
install them either ubuntu or mint unless you want to be on the hook.
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>>108186309
>KDE requires maintenance
What maintenance? It doesn't Krash despite the memes (their top bug report for a while was caused by a THIRD-PARTY extension which you almost certainly won't be using on a stock Fedora KDE) and even though it has a vast array of settings and configuration you don't have to touch them.
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>>108186300
You could do a headless Ubuntu server using Core, or a headless Debian Stable.
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Do atomic distros defeat your classic distro with btrfs snapshots set up and hooked up to the package manager?
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>>108186567
Nope.
Also, SUSE does this already with Snapper.
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>>108186567
I didn't know they were fighting each other
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>>108186567
It's the exact same shit just a different story. The only difference is the atomic distros do not have a mutable root so configuration management and package management is done by layering packages on top, where as your classic distro can touch whatever it wants.

OpenSUSE's atomic distro is even utilising BTRFS snapshots it's just that there's are read-only even for the root because it's atomic.

"Atomic" is just some buzz word for "We don't have a mutable root but you can still make changes through complex layering". A lot of the atomic shills don't like it when you say their distro is immutable because they think that sends the wrong picture that you can't modify or do anything to it when you can it's just that everything is managed completely differently to a classic distro.
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>>108185439
examples?
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>>108179213
Hmmmmm
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in thunar i have to ctrl+c twice to reliably paste somewhere else. any reason why or how to change this?
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>>108180595
I've tried this before and it's worked for me:
 Exec=qterminal -e 'sh -c tmux' 


Maybe the '=' in your command is messing the parser up?
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>>108180456
>just to give up and use a helper script instead.
That's the better way to do it anyway. You don't have a bunch of crap in the .desktop file then and as an added bonus if you want to start it from the terminal you only have to run the helper script (assuming it's in the $PATH)
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>>108186601
codecs I think I had to get from some other repo, drivers I had to get from some other repo (that prompted me after installation at least), just random stuff where every time I need something it's adding some random COPR repo or something
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>>108186599
I guess more than the atomic part there's some other shit.
openSUSE has this tool to enable transactional updates which is essentially something else these distros do. Download updates silently and apply them upon reboot (not offline updates, which take precious boot time).
From what I read it's stupidly easy to switch to another one of these "atomic" distros by just inputting a single command without a lot of trouble.
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>>108186686
The only driver you should ever need to install on Linux is nvidia drivers, which come from the same repo (rpmfusion) as codecs.
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>>108186686
That's within 5 minutes of your install and you're done; not every 2 minutes
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>>108185439
>use a distro made for nerds instead of a downstream distro
>complain you need to be a nerd to use it
next time use aurora/bluefin or nobara/ultramarine

>>108186599
>"Atomic" is just some buzz word
atomic updates existed before you were born
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomicity_(database_systems)
>everything is managed completely differently to a classic distro.
why is this a bad thing? because you're too lazy or dumb to learn something new? this doesn't even affect most people.
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>>108186721
>atomic updates existed before you were born
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomicity_(database_systems)
Atomicity in databases is different. That's referring to CAP theorem.
>>108186721
>>everything is managed completely differently to a classic distro.
>why is this a bad thing? because you're too lazy or dumb to learn something new? this doesn't even affect most people.
It's not, I even stated they're more similar than people think, like how OpenSUSE is using read-only BTRFS snapshots for their atomic distro similar to how they're using BTRFS for their classic distro. The difference, updates are staged in new subvolumes instead.

Transactional updates is probably a better term, except not really because Dnf has a concept of transactions and rollbacks too so I guess "Transactions + read-only root". Only term you use is probably going to confuse people though.
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>>108186754
>Transactional updates is probably a better term
they're interchangeable since transactional updates are always atomic by nature. "atomic" is a term only used by fedora for their distro/image because they believe it to be less confusing. opensuse calls their OS immutable.
>"Transactions + read-only root"
that's technically more correct, but it's easier to simply say "atomic" or "immutable". both terms are clearly confusing people because most people are retarded. if anything I've seen the term "immutable" confuse people more than "atomic" which is probably why fedora stopped using the term. "atomic" doesn't mean anything to most people so they don't even think about it, but when they hear "immutable" they think they can't do anything to the OS at all.
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>>108185174
Does the same thing as the start menu, except a smaller area to click. Not very efficient.
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>>108186721
>why is this a bad thing? because you're too lazy or dumb to learn something new? this doesn't even affect most people.
Not that anon and not talking about the update method, but to me it seems like a weird learning curve with the available methods of package distribution.
Generally the idea with a classic distro is that the user would primarily focus on using distro packages (well maintained or not) and cover any other needs through flatpak or appimage or even distrobox without much of a downside at all. So the new user could at least have an alternative if their X program in X format is not available even through a third party repository in most cases.
This is sort of the opposite where the "alternative" to having to use these other methods (which might have their own issues) is to layer applications which is more cumbersome. I feel like people pushing too hard for this are the type of people to act as though the linux desktop has already basically been solved rather than still being an ongoing process.
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>>108186925
What
Quick Launch is a cancer that takes up space; I should be able to pin apps to the running applications area, which is how it works on Plasma/Windows 7 onwards
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>>108186927
>Generally the idea with a classic distro is that the user would primarily focus on using distro packages
this model doesn't work because most people want to use the latest software and want to use software that you can't find in an average repo. distro package management only works in highly controlled environments like servers which are managed by developers or sysadmins.
an average person doesn't want to deal with this shit. that's the reason why linux finally started "being usable on PCs" to normies between 2018 and 2022 when flatpak became more popular. even I switched to exclusively using flatpak for apps despite using linux before some new users were even born.
>a weird learning curve with the available methods of package distribution
you can say this about pretty much anything. when you change between ubuntu, fedora and arch you're also going to hit a "learning curve" since they use completely different repos and package managers. when you change between plasma and gnome you're going to need to re-learn the UI.
someone coming from windows and using linux for the first time won't care about any of this because they won't have to un-learn "old linux" to learn "new linux".
also if everything is abstracted behind a good GUI then the end user won't care about these low-level differences at all. I was using a distro for multiple years without ever learning what package manager it uses or how to install anything in the terminal because I just used the GUI software center.
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Another happy day of using Linux. I'm off to bed now.
おやすみなさい
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>>108187205
oyasuminasai, anon-kun
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why did you fags not tell me that fedora has something similar to the aur?
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>>108187337
it doesn't. copr are more like ppas.
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>>108187337
Every distro has access to AUR ever since Distrobox was released.
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>try out nobara
>go into settings to pick a different wallpaper
>AI generated images of a giant robot penguin firing missiles
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>>108187453
kek show us
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>>108187459
not at my pc right now but this was on eggrolls xitter with the ai racoon
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>>108187453
So?

And you're going to hate this future feature: desktop backgrounds generated by AI based on a user-selected theme.
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>>108187459
found it on the github wtf is this
https://github.com/Nobara-Project/nobara-core-packages/tree/main/kde-nobara/usr/share/wallpapers
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>>108187559
Art. This modern art. That penguin destroys all the Windows.
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i am making a primary disk encrypted with LUKS, the disk uses BTRFS. should i use lvm or not?
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Why "people" say that arch is hard to maintain? You just open a terminal, type sudo pacman -Syu, enter your password, press enter and that's it.
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>>108187610
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>>108187045
>when you change between plasma and gnome you're going to need to re-learn the UI
>I switched to exclusively using flatpak
> distro package management only works in highly controlled environments
your iq is wallnut?
try "Android" I heard it's a good system designed for menally challenged
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>>108187614
>.NET
>waydroid
>dovecot
>zabbix
>firmware
>ansible
>budgie
>wxWidgets
>Keyclock
usecase?
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>>108187614
>may require
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>>108187614
If you managed to install arch you (not you in particular of course) should be able to follow these instructions
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>>108187045
People can forget that a new version of software came out until days later. The problem of package maintenance is on the package maintainers. It's more of a problem on some distros than others, this is not universally an issue for new users at all.
The solution for instance, for Steam not being all that up to date or working well (which is basically a requirement at this point for a lot of people coming from Windows) on a traditional distro, has easy to install alternatives. One can easily switch from native version to flatpak version, even if it comes with its own issues. One cannot easily rpm-ostree every problem away they might encounter with the alternatives. Ask yourself why the solution, instead of doing that, is to basically tell a user "hop into this distro where it works (bazzite)" and why said distro took several measures to avoid the flatpak version of steam.
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>>108187640
>follow these instructions
is slightly different from
>You just open a terminal, type sudo pacman -Syu, enter your password, press enter and that's it.
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>>108187646
the problem right now with distros distributing applications is that a lot of them go untested, there's 0 monitoring as they're maintaining hundreds of package and it's all automated.
in the future it's likely that applications will be distributed only as flatpaks. everybody will be using the same version so less bugs and this means less work for distro maintainers.
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>>108187609
No. btrfs on bare partition.
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Hate the man but Steve Jobs was right about almost everything. Look at the state Apple is in under Tim Apple.
If Steve Jobs was alive and saw Liquid Ass he would've fired the entire design department on the spot.
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i think my pc uses csm rather than gpt. when i try to switch from csm to gpt i am unable to boot any OS anywhere. what do? it doesn't recognize the disks.
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>>108187640
I shouldn't have to follow those instructions, because the updates should simply be designed to be deployable.
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>>108187673
disable csm and reinstall your OS in efi.
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>>108187669
thanks brah
>>108187672
a new steve "toiletfoot" jobs ain't gonna appear in a million years. shareholders wouldn't want to rock the boat.
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>>108187614
6 whole manual interventions (in case you need all of these specific packages) in a whole year.
Are people really crying, moaning, pissing their pants over this?
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>>108187682
how do i do that? so when i activate the gpt mode, do i then just insert my USB-stick into my computer and install the new OS as usual?
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>>108187681
You shouldn't use Arch then
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>>108187698
>0 whole manual interventions on other distros
Yes, people are really crying over the lack of peace of mind. Package your shit better or people will complain.
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>>108187672
>if STAVE THE CURRYNIGGER STREETSHATTER JOOBS WUZ ALIV
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>>108179213
redpill me on void
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>>108187699
yes. the installer will default to GPT if the pc is booted in efi.
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>>108187735
Lovely!
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>>108187681
Updates in arch don't deal with "ifs".
"If" you have a problem, you have a solution to solve it. The point is that someone installing the new update shouldn't 100% of the time encounter the issues described in those manual intervention posts.
Maybe you'd like your package updates to fuck around with files you've purposefully configured manually yourself. Or not to be told there's manual intervention needed at all, just adapt to the fuckery involved. Or just don't use a distro that can update packages with breaking changes, wait forever instead until the maintainer and developer reach another solution.
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>>108187703
What peace of mind?
openQA?
Having 8 month old packages, unmaintained because you as a user cannot just fucking read 3 lines of text that say "hey there might have been some changes" and instead want everything to stall?
Or fuck it let's just go even further down the stability hole? Hell just use Debian if you're concerned.
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>>108187619
I really don't care what you think. my time is not being wasted and my computer "just works" much better before I started using flatpaks for everything.
>Android
if you think this is a gotcha it's not. at least the default application management on android is better than the experience you get on a linux desktop.

>>108187646
>The problem of package maintenance is on the package maintainers
but almost nobody wants their OS distributor to be in charge of package maintenance and app delivery. that's ass backwards behavior outside of low level packages that ship with the OS. it almost resembles vendor lock-in. imagine telling a person "no, you cannot install chrome because it's not in the repos" or "no, you cannot install the fixed and working version of your application because ubuntu only updates it once every two years". that's a sign of a shit-tier OS.
imagine debian having to package my entire game library, including proprietary games. that just doesn't work in the real world. it should always be the developer who packages their software and the user who gets it directly from the developer or at least a semi-competent app store like flathub. distribution maintainers aren't even actual software devs so why trust them with the task of delivering software? they're just version control middle managers who don't even check if what they package works and in most distros they don't even keep the software they package updated.
also it doesn't even make practical sense. every distribution packaging something like libre office means there's a ton of duplicated and wasted effort when they could just default people to flathub. in retrospect ubuntu shifting away from apt to snaps was not as retarded as I initially thought. it's just that snaps never took off and flatpaks is all we have.
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Does the gnome disks utility have the ability to create installation USBs?
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>>108187795
>Restore Disk Image...
yes.
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>>108187810
Do'h! Why didn't they name it create installation USB or something?
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>>108187836
>gnome developers
>logic
lol
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>>108187836
Because it's not just for installation images
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>>108187771
>What peace of mind?
The Fedora peace of mind where they ensure manual intervention is not required to make the packages ship, and ship earlier than Arch.
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>>108187847
you can configure auto mounting of encrypted disks on their disk utility. the kde partition manager can't do that.
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>>108187782
>it should always be the developer who packages their software and the user who gets it directly from the developer or at least a semi-competent app store like flathub.
Yeah the problem here is that flathub does have a good chunk of unofficial flatpaks. So you go bother the developer and the developer has to deal with flatpak distribution issues. Your trust has shifted from package maintainer, to package maintainer but "it works on more distros". Not to mention many programs already have official distribution package support for at least some of the basic distros.
In full practice most people don't have issues with distribution packages as long as they stick to regular distros and not college project bullshit with added third party repositories from nobody.
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>>108187858
So what I perfectly described in the third line?
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>>108187862
>Yeah the problem here is that flathub does have a good chunk of unofficial flatpaks.
flathub has a dev verified tag, if you use unofficial packages that's on you.
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The nested submenu thing with kde apps are getting out of control.
Like all of this should've been apart of the same konsole settings window instead of separated.
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>>108187858
Fedora has shipped broken packages before. rpmfusion sometimes shits the bed too
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>>108187883
settings in kde are a problem full stop. sometimes i search for something and i just end up wanting to switch to gnome or cinnamon.
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>>108187878
Alright, let's take that to practice.
It's not dev verified. I want something developer verified then. What's the alternative? Oh I'll just go fuck myself then?
Flatpak is good as an alternative, not the floor you're standing on right now.
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>>108187875
Fool, it is not a binary between Arch's total lack of QA/deployability, and Debian's freeze.
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>>108187883
wow, 1 whole submenu in the main menu that's been opened
how could you possibly cope with such a thing?
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>>108180755
Apparently cinnamon is close to having their wayland implementation being stable enough.
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>>108187900
No, it sits somewhere in the middle where instead of being both somewhat stable and fresh, it's neither!
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>>108187902
Usecase for submenus?
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>>108187883
You know what would be better?
If everything was nested submenus inside a fucking hamburger menu button. That'd be even better.
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>>108187927
i like the way you are thinking. would you like to work on kde 7?
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>>108187933
Sorry I already got hired as a GNOME developer because of what I just posted
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>>108183492
As the other anon said switching to the raw .img files might give better performance than qcow theres just a few tradeoffs like no builtin snapshot features.
>>108183574
Qemu supports using a zfs subvol as disk storage for vms.
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>>108179791
ESL
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>>108179791
Imagine being Dobson
Whatever happened to this guy
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>>108187973
Completely removed himself from the internet last I heard.
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>>108187904
Problem with wayland is that I don't think anyone has much of a reason to switch to it other than for what X11 lacks (stuff like multimonitor VRR/mismatched refresh rate nonsense, HDR).
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>>108187981
Makes sense
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>>108185985
Another kde alternative to fedora would be kubuntu assuming that ubuntu still "just werks" and the snap crap does not become too much of a hindrance.
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>>108186146
>neofetch maintainer not pushing a compatible version of neofetch in time for the Plasma 6.6 update.
Neofetch has been abandoned for several years now there's a few alternatives you should be using instead. Neofetch only really still exists because its just a bash script and doesn't require any dependencies.
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>>108187983
That's reason enough but Mint doesn't support those things as their version of Mutter that they use in Muffin is years out of date and they don't really have any compositor developers that know what they're doing.
Things like VRR and HDR just got stable in GNOME. They're completely missing in Cinnamon. It's no wonder they consider the whole thing to be experimental. Until they get some compositor developers that actually know what they're doing then that experimental moniker is never coming off.
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>>108187997
Neofetch works fine, he meant Fastfetch.
>>108186146
Fedora package maintainers are slow sometimes. It's hardly the end of the world for your rice fag fetch program to temporarily segfault because it's using some internal Plasma API it should never be using in the first place.
It could happen again on Plasma 6.7 or 6.8, etc.
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>>108187998
>Things like VRR and HDR just got stable in GNOME.
I wouldn't even go that far, but I have to try GNOME 50 since apparently it is progressing there.
These are not easy to get working it seems. But they're basically what's selling Wayland more than just being an alternative to X11. More testing can be done if they take these new features any seriously at least, otherwise a lot of people are going with "well I'll use the old stuff that works for me if I can't get that gimmick to work anyways". Naturally Mint is one of those more "stable" and somewhat stale distros, so the veteran users are not going to be adamant to do these sorts of switches either. I really do hope though they climb up and more people can consider Mint as a worthy distro to consider. I've even heard of people just ditching Mint altogether because of its compositor alone which is something they gotta fix with this jump to wayland at the very least.
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Is there something i can use to save current layout of windows, programs and terminals? so i click a shortcut or something and it loads the programs from the layout (+ actually starts them if needed). need it for kali linux
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>>108187998
I don't really know where you got this info from but from what i saw the mint blog mentions their progress with wayland and most of the reason for it being considered experimental comes down to them being slow with porting cinnamon related stuff over to be wayland compatible.
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>>108186567
Not really because i can install system packages and make changes to the system when needed instead of being stuck with crappy tertiary package managers or chroot hacks.
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>>108188044
Slow is an understatement. They are not being honest with you. Their blog posts highlight crap nobody cares about like porting a screensaver program, that's real low hanging fruit that nobody even cares about because chances are you just let your display go to sleep instead of wasting energy running a shitty animation anyway.
Cinnamon's Wayland support isn't experimental because it lacks a screensaver, the issues run far deeper than that. They have a manpower problem. It's not a race but if they're not careful then even XFCE will leap frog them soon.
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>>108187862
>>108187878
>>108187896
>Yeah the problem here is that flathub does have a good chunk of unofficial flatpaks.
>It's not dev verified. I want something developer verified then. What's the alternative?
almost all packages in your debian, fedora and arch repos are not verified by devs. so I don't really understand the point of this discussion.
if you want "dev verified" packages but also have them work on any distro then we already have a clean and simple solution for this. it's called containers. we've already been using them for years as a solution to run windows software/games on linux. might as well use them to run linux software packaged for a different distro. I'd honestly rather have devs deliver software as individual distrbox containers instead of having to build 5-10 different versions for all the popular distributions and hoping my specific distro version will be supported. or we could just default to flatpaks...
>Your trust has shifted from package maintainer, to package maintainer but "it works on more distros"
which is an improvement at least. and at least it makes the application behave consistently between distros instead of being outdated on one distro, buggy on another distro and shipped without required proprietary blobs and codecs on a 3rd distro.
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>>108186721
Doesn't aurora's website advertise all the nerd stuff for developers like containers on their front page?
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>>108187940
GNOME wouldnt do nested submenus or submenus in general because they can't sleep at night if the hamburger menu has more than five options.
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>>108188118
True, everything such as opening a file should be inside a settings window.
And if there's more than 10 settings on that settings window, make tabs. And if there's more than 3 tabs just make people use dconf-editor or something I don't know
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>>108187698
Most of those don't affect 99% of users either.
Pacman repo, linux-firmware package split, and the nvidia driver split were probably the only big ones.
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How do I defragment a FAT32 USB on Linux? I need to do this for my PS2.
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>>108188138
I'd like to know how other distros deal with the pascal fiasco and newer drivers to see if it's just all that much better on the other side.
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why is everybody so miserable with their distro?
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>>108188156
Speak for yourself, peasant.
I'm very happy with mine.
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How hard is it to save config changes done to plasma and carry them over to a new installation without having to manually reconfigure it all over again?
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>>108188156
Because the linux desktop hasn't been solved yet, and some people pretend otherwise, instead of accepting reality and contributing.
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What is the workflow for C and C++ development on Linux with regards to dependencies? I'll give you an example with SDL3, it basically just says "install a bunch of system packages then compile from source." Do people typically just grab a bunch of dev packages like this and leave them around forever? This seems a little dirty to me I guess and removing them at some later time seems quite error prone.

And what's the answer to "Project A is dependent on Library version 3.12 only but the package manager's version is 5.41?" Am I just fundamentally misunderstanding how things are organized and work here?

Sorry massive scrub here pls be nice, ty.
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>>108188197
>Do people typically just grab a bunch of dev packages like this and leave them around forever?
Yes, also it's not "dirty". Some distros like Arch don't even the -dev, -devel package splitting that Debian and Fedora do so when you install libfoo it implicitly contains the development files (header files and pkgconfig files, etc) with it.

These "dirty" development files are in fact just bunch of text files in /usr/include and /usr/lib/pkgconfig, etc.
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>>108188214
>>108188197
Also, to answer:
>>108188197
>And what's the answer to "Project A is dependent on Library version 3.12 only but the package manager's version is 5.41?" Am I just fundamentally misunderstanding how things are organized and work here?
People typically compile that dependency from source and install it into /usr/local.
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>>108188193
If versions are similar (6.5, 6.6), .config and .local/share should have all files and folders related to that.
A lot of them are easy to tell because they start with a k or end with rc (like spectaclerc or systemmonitorrc).
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>>108188233
Oh I forgot if it wasn't obvious but basically you'd just need to copy them over.
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>>108188214
>>108188229
Or if you want the "clean" solution. Take the Nix pill and do your monkeying in a nix shell.

I don't use Nix myself but many developers do this shit when they don't have the dependencies on their outdated host system and don't want to pollute it.
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>>108188233
What about stuff like the placement of the desktop panel?
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>>108188251
If I'm not mistaken, that should be saved on ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc
A lot of shit you do on plasma gets saved in hidden text files all around. For instance, if you enable custom views per folder, each folder you change from the default layout to have a custom view will save a hidden file with the settings.
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>>108188156
Speak for yourself. I'm enjoying the fuck out of Bazzite.
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>>108188296
A few months ago I thought out of these two new solid memes for windows gamers, I thought bazzite was the retard proof distro, cachyOS was the more power user one.
I found it's the other way around.
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>>108188296
>>108188315
>"gamer" distro
>named like the most memed Concord character
what did they mean by this?
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>>108188340
Bazzite is a very rare beryllium scandium cyclosilicate mineral with the chemical formula Be3Sc2Si6O18. It is chemically considered the scandium analogue of beryl.
I don't think this has to do really anything with a wonderful nubian queen from the most successful shooter of all time, all the time, but it's funny
As a distro it's a bit more solid than it looks but troubleshooting it is often more troublesome.
It focuses way too much on getting the gamer as comfortable as possible in it. I've seen some of the shit it includes over other ublue projects and it's a bit fucking headache inducing. There is strong will behind trying to sell this as the ultimate solution for linux gaming and the open gaming collective is... well, it's a thing.
I've been interested as of late on the process of building a lite version of Bazzite or something more like Aurora with a few more game things.
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>>108188296
>>108188315
>bazzite
How much is the microslop employee paying you?
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>>108188197
You can create containers and compile there if that's what you want. Personally I'm gonna need those files anyway so attempting to isolate them is utterly pointless.
You can download those dependencies from their source as well, sometimes offered in binary format, then you just point to the directory they are in or simply tell the linker to use those files. This also answers your other question about incompatible dependency versions, just be mindful about dynamic vs static libs, or else this old dependency might attempt to use currently incompatible versions of other libs as well.
If the project uses meson/cmake then you'll often get the dependencies isolated from the system, they'll just go into the build folder.
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>>108188393
Ok, what did Kyle Gospo REALLY do?
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>>108188214
>>108188229
>>108188405
Thanks friends :)
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>>108188410
>Ok, what did Kyle Gospo REALLY do?
Be employed by microsoft, and some drama.
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>>108188484
I'd honestly have to read more on the drama because a lot of that fucking blogpost by Antheas smelled like bullshit without sources backing it up.
I'm not trustful of this fat gospophone but I feel like there's more to it than the usual "talent got kicked out because of tranny".
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>>108185853
Try LC_CTYPE instead of LC_ALL. It should fix garbled text and crashes due to character encoding issues, but since it doesn't change the language it won't work if the game is intentionally region-locked.
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>>108188509
Usually more talented developers are bigger social retards. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a complete asshole and nobody wanted to deal with his shit. I mean, imagine having to work with the DuckStation developer.
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>>108188526
I'll be honest, I don't need stenzek in my life. I've played a whole lot of PS1 games without ever touching cuckstation.
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>>108188509
Its likely closer to 50/50 with both sides having equal blame but the microsoft employee is also a microsoft employee so he's also at fault for working at microsoft.
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>>108188549
>only neets should be involved in open source software and linux in general
Imagine being this unemployed.
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>>108188526
>stenzek
>talented
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>>108188584
Many people say it's the best PS1 emulator.
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>>108188602
It pretty much is. It's either Duckstation or Mednefen for great PS1 emulation these days. Mednafen is for a more pure experience with no additions while Duckstation is focused on texture upscaling/wobbly polygon fixing and shit like that.
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>>108188602
It's just a front-end to beetle-psx with maybe a couple of input fixes. It has the best UX of any current emulator maybe, but almost no actual emulation work.
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>>108188577
Who are you quoting?
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>>108188549
If you were paid by microsoft while shoving normalfags into linux, wouldn't you do it?
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>>108188706
The voices in his head, probably.
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I have been thinking. I don't use windows often at all. It is a waste of space on my SSD. HOWEVER!!! there are things that must be taken into account like my HDD. Can't i just make a small partition on a HDD and whenever i need windows just boot into it? Seems foolproof since i do not need SSD speed for it.
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>>108188752
Do you really think microsoft would easily let one of their employees do that? Even with or without some ulterior motive?
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>>108188632
>Duckstation is focused on texture upscaling/wobbly polygon fixing and shit like that.
Exactly what I want. I want the games too look as nice as possible.
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>>108187973
>>108187981
He is still active you dummies
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSoiI55fG-M
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>>108188706
This anon >>108188549 >>108188484 and the real meaning behind his posts.
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>>108188875
The real meaning?
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>>108188866
Calm thine tits.
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Nautilus or Nemo? (Only between these two)
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>>108188936
Nautilus for reliability, nemo if you prefer how it looks and works. But both are good.
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>>108188857
I'd need to find this ulterior motive essentially
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>>108188936
I switched from Nautilus to Nemo because GNOMEfags refuse to implement this:
http://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/merge_requests/1030
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>>108184337
thank you for your help
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>>108189038
type ahead is unnecessary when the search is fast.
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>>108188513
I just wrote a start.sh and a .desktop and it all works out but I'll try this sometime later.
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>>108189062
It's disorienting for me
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>>108189076
it works the same though, pull up shit in alphabetical order and starts with what's in the current folder.
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>>108189062
>there's people out there who use their file explorer like this instead of double clicking on folders and files
I just do it the good old-fashioned way
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I've been wondering about how fonts work over here.
Both of these windows are zen browser. Top is flatpak, bottom is tarball. It looks mostly the same, but the monospace font used is different. What gives?
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>>108189101
At home I usually do it this way, just the traditional one. I don't usually search for files.
At work I have this little tool and it's much more convenient to have (everything), but it's because search on Windows is really, really really slow. Without it I'm sifting through an endless list of files.
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>>108189106
legitimately who cares about fonts
is it readable? yes? then idgaf
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>>108189106
IIRC flatpaks can't access the system fonts so they come with their own fonts, take a look at the browser settings and see what fonts they are using for monospace:
Settings > Fonts > Advanced > Monospace
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>>108188936
Nemo
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>>108188936
Nemo has more features but if I had to cuck myself to use GNOME based on things like looks, I'd rather not. I mean Nemo looks off over there.
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>>108189206
nta, I'm the faggot above you but I actually really like Nemo, pic related. What don't you like about it? I'm opening to trying new file managers as long as it isn't Thunar, I fucking hate the look and feel of Thunar to an unreal degree.
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>>108189238
I like it outside of GNOME, don't get me wrong.
It's just the decorations in GNOME are ass when coupled with it. Though Dolphin is even a worse case.
I feel Nemo is appropriate where it's shipped or hell, on XFCE over Thunar. But thunar has this thing I liked where I could highlight filenames with colors. And Nemo for a while there was shit at loading thumbnails, I wonder if that got properly fixed.
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>>108189255
>But thunar has this thing I liked where I could highlight filenames with colors
Pictures?
>And Nemo for a while there was shit at loading thumbnails
I never noticed it it did
So you us Thunar? Pic related is Thunar, I don't like how it boxes the text and much the left hand navigation bar pops and I don't like how dark the dark setting is compared to Nemo.
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>>108189322
I mean this sorta shit. Excuse the fact I'm using thunar on KDE (and openSUSE, and installing thunar just pulled like 50 other packages, great stuff)
You can use custom background and foreground colors for highlighting specific folders and files. Thunar I don't use anymore because Dolphin covers a lot of other different things, but I thought that was a neat feature.
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>>108189397
Oh that's pretty cool actually but in the same vein I don't like using light themes on my file managers, I do like the minimalist icons in the navigation bar. What does it look like if you use the dark theme? Does it make the highlighted folders pop less?
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>>108189106
Easiest way to fix that is to give the flatpak sandbox access to your system and user font directories.
Just another reason why flatpak sucks and isn't the solution to everything.
Maybe it wouldnt be such an issue if they just did it by default but they dont have any interest in doing that.
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>>108189417
It seems like it.
I've switched to light themes since for some reason I believe dark themes were really fucking with my eyesight. And I've been keeping my screen brightness low.
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>>108189441
How so? I find that light theme strains my eyes but maybe my screen is also too bright and I'm just being lazy and using dark theme to cope about it. I just find them "comfier" on average.
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>>108189106
The flatpak is misconfigured by whoever packages it. It doesn't have access to your system fonts.

>>108189132
>flatpaks can't access the system fonts
No, they can. It's just that many are not configured to access your system fonts and you have to manually give them the permission.
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>>108189460
There's this thing about haloing around white fonts on dark background and as of late I have been developing some hardcore nearsightedness.
I've done a tiny bit of research and apparently dark themes aren't necessarily harmful but people tend to set brightness higher on dark themes which contributes to the problem.
This could all just be me being a fucking eyelet.
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>>108187205
Yunocchi!
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>>108189476
>The flatpak is misconfigured by whoever packages it. It doesn't have access to your system fonts.
I feel like this sort of thing where flatpaks are misconfigured is fairly frequent.
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>>108179796
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>>108189460
I used to have no issue with the light theme used on windows 7, vista, xp, etc. But for some reason whatever they're using on windows10 and 11 is just way too much and unbearable compared to older windows.



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