i am relatively new to troonix but why do people hate this so much? it came with my distro so i didn't think much of it and have been using it for managing my services and it seems to just work?
good for you
>>108181693>relatively new to troonix>managing my serviceswhat services are you managing bozo?
bomers and muh-unix-philosophy that's it
supposedly its bloated but it won't make any difference for you
>>108181827>>108181838[OK] Reached tartget redhat.bootlickOP read my thread >>>108178281
>>108181693There are three types of haters>people that argue it is too complex an isn't modular>people that argue it is too big and slow compared to alternatives>people that argue it is spywareThat's the gist of it at least
>>108181924Redhat is creating a standardized homogenised systemd-linuxd which is exactly the opposite of what FOSS is ment to be. If criticising this is 'hate' to you, you would make a good coomunity manager for GNOME (and should kill yourself to proceed with hiring process)
>>108181951NTA, but I don't think the knee jerk hate reaction is appropriate any more than the knee jerk bootlicking reaction. I think in the future we'll move towards SystemD/Linux like GNU/Linux and Android/Linux as different systems built on top of the Linux kernel with various degrees of compatibility. What I'm calling GNU is what we have now, but in the future, BSD will be closer to the purer version of this system. Android is its own beast. And then we'll have SystemD/Linux, which will be the corporate version meant for enterprise and maybe Steam gayming jumps to this one instead of GNU because its easier to support this system, as its not meant to be customizable, but instead standardized.
>>108181993Sure anon, it's definitely better to be "appropriate" when faced with a multibilion dollar corporation trying to take over things and trust your visions pulled from ass. But thanks Redhat for sending someone with more brains this time. https://unixdigest.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html
>>108181951Maybe more people should make distros with SysVinit or OpenRC you are worried that systemd is too standardized
>>108181693It's based and much better than every other init systemd. Try launchd on macOS / BSD if you want to see how bad an init system can be and you will appreciate systemd.
>>108182051>tryingI don't think they're trying. Ithink they pretty much succeeded and a bunch of neckbeards can't oppose them. At best we can keep our own distros systemd free, but corporate will probably move towards redhat's linux, whether we like it or not. Why would say, Steam, try to make sure the games work on every weird custom linux config someone might want instead of focusing on making it work on one standard distro? Wasn't that the original problem why corpos wouldn't support linux in the first place? Too much variability to be able to say "it works"? Now every corpo will have this one standard and they'll say "works on that". Sure, teh standard encompasses all and allows no freetard tinkering, but that's their goal.
>>108182066>It's basedbased on what?
>>108182052systemd is so comfy I'm not sure why anyone would want to use one of the alternatives. I built my distro from scratch but picked systemd since it's so much better than the alternatives.
>>108182052We literally have distros dying from lack of maintenance. But obviousely a redhat bootlicker like you finds it funny that knoweledge will be lost in obscurity for an industrial standard
>>108182083Obviousely, the industry do want it. But there's no need for linux newbies to accept it like niggercattle and eat up systemdick like mia in 4k for your private workstation.>>108182096>so comfyexplain how?>better than the alternativeswhat alternatives anon did you try?
>>108182116>it just works (systemctl enable/disable/start/stop)>easy to write/edit unit files>tmpfiles.d and sysusers.d makes it a breeze to package stuff that needs a group,user / specific tmpdirs>all the logs in one place and easy to check journalctl -u unitname>fast boot/shutdown when setup correctly>can pick which features to enable at build time>integrates well with dracut for encrypted root/ liveiso bootI tried void and didn't like runit much, same for OpenRC on alpine/gentoo and I never want to see SysVinit again. S6 seems like a complete pain in the ass to setup. Since systemd works for me I don't see the point of spending hours fighting with another init.
>>108182116A retard newbie doesn't even understand the problem. He comes from Windows and probably can't even understand that you can have different DEs but it's not a different OS. Newbies don't understand init systems, PID1, service management, etc. Sure, it would be better if beginner friendly distros were without systemd, but with the standardization of linux under systemd, a newbie will want the standard linux to dip his toes first, get his gaymes running or whatever productivity suite some big corpo ported to the most standard linux (many today just port to ubuntu and call it a day, "good luck if you're using anything else, not my problem"). I think it'll go like KHTML giving birth to Chrome that is ass cancer, but you can still use firefox or elinks or qutebrowser or whatever the fuck you want while the world marches on toward enshittification. The linux we came to love will give birth to systemd monstrosity, the world will follow it because the world is niggercattle, while we'll keep thinkiering with our toy GNU systems and being called neckbeards by normalfags.The point is, redhat is a big corpo, and the world is full of niggercattle. We can hold our own or our niche, but we can't stop big corpo throwing money at hte problem until they win, and we can't stop niggercattle from eating the shit they're being given, even if there are better alternatives.
>>108182218>fast boot/shutdown when setup correctlyDid they ever solve this?A stop job is running for waste user time (2 minutes 30 seconds / 90 minutes left)
A stop job is running for waste user time (2 minutes 30 seconds / 90 minutes left)
>>108182218Props for actually trying them out anon! I can suffer a bit for freedom but I get that someone wants more coomfy solutions. Users aren't at fault here, only bootlickers
Same guy who made systemd also made pulseaudio, that should tell you enough
>>108182267you can just skip with multiple ctrl+alt+del and it only happends when a service is badly configured or takes more time to shutdown. for example if you have samba/nfs drive connected it waits for it to properly unmount instead of just killing everything.
>>108182227I get it anon, but it's the easy way out. Newbie that wants to read his email isn't THAT bad, the bootlickers are. Those glowniggers are our enemy
>>108182494Yeah, but I don't see how "they're our enemies". They're a company providing a service I don't want, like Windows or Mac. Sure, they're taking benefits from Linux and fucking it up as they do it, but Mac took BSD and made money, BSD still exists in his tiny niche. Trad Linux will remain in its niche while corpo Linux will be there for corpos or if you want to work for them. I don't know. I don't see how I could pick up a fight with this enemy.
>>108181693Systemd isn't bad, almost all mainstream distros use it. It's just that systemd does so many things and the Unix philosophy is more like: "Every component has one job and it does it well". Systemd does so many things that Systemd/Gnu/Linux isn't just a meme. There is even systemd boot. I personally use systemd, but I get why people might dislike it. Especially for learning Linux as a system.
before systemd used chron for timed events
>>108181993i would go back to linux if this happened.
>>108181693Because they're literally retarded and never used a proper server OS with a service manager that isn't total shit.
It just works and is easy to use. Don't get the sneed! If you use your computer to do actual shit you probably don't care, only the Linux ricerfaga give a fuck.
>>108181693we used to have KISS system, each simple module doing what it did well, now we have this bloated mess monolith
>>108183188What exactly was KISS, pre systemd? systemd is even easier than how Windows does it, and Windows' heemed all the "alternative service managers" available pre-systemd.
>>108182310And now works at microsoft.
>>108183751He left Microsoft for a Linux startup.
>>108181924i avoid systemd distros because of this but honestly i wouldn’t notice the difference i assume. Especially compared to windows. Deb based distros are generally very comfy so maybe i’ll switch
It's just mentally eel people. Same people who say epstein eat babies and worships baal.
>>108182066>Try launchd on macOSit's fucking horrible
>>108181951Just use anything else or make your own distro? The point is you can use whatever solution you want and a lot of people want to use systemd because they like it. "It should be taken out of distros because I don't like it" is the dumbest argument you can make for for Linux when the user is in full control.
>>108183790by now thats just the general public because its obvious that is what was meant by jerkywhich only leaves you the mentally eel one saar
>>108183174>>108183790goodnight glowies im going to sex my wife you can jerk off to poettering blog keynotes or something
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>>108181693Listen to: >>108181924Instead of debian, use devuan. Problem solved.
>>108182096>I'm not sure why anyone would want to use one of the alternativesrunitCHAD reporting in, i'm never touching that bloated pile of trash ever again
>>108181693Its Ideology.There are 2 core ideas that Troonix fags follow.1. Open Source Code2. Everything must do 1 thing well and not multiple things.Don't listen to them. They are literally holding the entire space back.These people will look you dead in the face and say you should use the open source nvidia drivers that dont fucking work, instead of the closed source release that actually allows you to play a fucking video game.
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