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You would think picrel would have a power manager to manage sleep, suspend and display brightness, but no it doesn't, so what am I supposed to be using?

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>>108279539
icewm or openbox with tint2

>>108279539
You can set display timeouts in a terminal.
Why are you using it anyway?

>>108279694
I was asking about the power manager not the DE, also neither of the options you mentioned come with a power manager
>>108279807
I want to adjust brightness with my Fn keys, this works on MATE and Xfce, I'm surprised TDE lacks this functionality

>>108279879
TDE is a much less mature project than MATE. It also has less people working on it, thus— less features. It's also full of ancient vulnerabilities. I don't know what XFCE is or does sorry...

>>108278828
Why do people dislike Garuda? Why it isn't as popular as Cachy, Bazzite or Nobara?

>>108279879
>I'm surprised TDE lacks this functionality
It's a contrarian fork. Of course they don't get shit done

should I bother with installing actual arch instead of cachy on a work laptop (for coding mainly)? will there be significant differences in performance/battery life with the "bloat"?

>>108280067
what bloat? And why do you think Arch vs Cachy matters?

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How can we derail California's OS level age verification?

>>108280272
Tell Microsoft that you do not feel comfortable with the idea of a universal background API that could be used by predators such as Roblox Incorporated to verify the predation age of minors using Windows and say they dropped the ball by failing to lobby California's state legislature properly to secure the online and in-app privacy and protection of minors from the predations of Roblox.

Switched over to gayland to test if I'd get better gaming performance, but now need to reconfigure KDE a bit and can't find what I'm looking for.

1. Hot corners -- I know how to change the corner and actions, etc., but I have two monitors and I only want the hotcorner to apply to one monitor. Works fine in X11.
2. How to make "hard" screen corner barriers? Right now if I drag enough my cursor breaks through to my other screen even if I trigger the barrier first.

>>108280417
Figured out 1., need to put:

[Windows]
ElectricBorderAllScreenCorner=0

inside of ~/.config/kwinrc

Doesn't look like any of the other values the spec file defines can help with hard corners though.

>>108280272
Stop worrying about dumb shit people halfway across the world are doing.

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Pls help I am somewhat new to Linux and my computer keeps freezing. Every time I need to force reboot. Sometimes it can freeze 3 times in a row within an hour and then other times it goes days without freezing.

At first I thought it was a RAM issue so I installed earlyoom to monitor it but I see it still freeze with even like 40% free RAM.

Is there somewhere I can check logs after rebooting? I use Linux Mint btw. I don't notice any weird pattern causing this since I'm just using Firefox and Blender and some games but it triggers randomly.

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When I try running openmw in a 4:3 aspect ratio it stretches the picture. Is there a fix for this?

>wanting to install lxqt alongside xfce
<HELLO SAAR I NEED TO INSTALL SDDM ALONGSIDE LIGHTDM TO BREAK EVERYTHING!!
what do i do anons?

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how to stop distrohopping

>>108280691
journalctl -b-1 -e
to see the previous boot's logs

Can i use Debian in a 9070 XT?

>>108280919
Pick any popular distro and make it your bitch. Force yourself to learn other peoples' bs.

>>108280936
it would be very painful

Fedora is the only proper distro for the cis white man.

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>>108280919
for me?
it was enjoying debian december.
Think I'm gonna do linux birds for spring but probs just in vms.
>parrot
>pikaos
>budgie
gotta come up with more

oh lubuntu that's a hummingbird

How is Fedora Workstation stability wise?
I feel like moving to it after having used Ubuntu for a bit.
I just want to know how Linux supported software will work on Fedora as it seems when most mean tested for Linux it means tested on an OS that supports .deb files. So that means tested only on Ubuntu if at all.

Does it really matter as everything stems from the Linux kernel or is this a legitimate concern?

>>108281055
Fedora is solid. Linus himself used it, which says a lot.

>>108281071
Is >>108281055 Linus?

>>108281055
What are you using your computer for? Is your hardware the latest and greatest or it's a bit old? It uses Nvidia?

>>108280702

>>108281142
PC doesn't use Nvidia.
Kind of beefy so not old but not the latest and greatest.

>>108281232
Usually I'd ask for the usage but unless it's something too niche you'll probably be fine. You haven't written down anything about problems with Ubuntu which is more than enough info.
Personally: I installed Fedora barebones and I've never had issues with it (still using it). The only issues I had were related to me not updating it for a fuckton of time like a retard. Other than that it does in fact just wherks.

What happens if I have 3 sticks of RAM? There's so much conflicting info about whether it will actually be partially dual channel or just not use dual channel.
Basically I have like:
DIMM0-ChannelA: 16 GB
DIMM0-ChannelB: 16 GB
DIMM1-ChannelA: 8 GB
Is this bad for performance or will it dual channel the first 32 GB? The sticks are identical. Even the 8 GB is really the same brand and product name with same speed and CL, just smaller.

>>108280919
Use Fedora. That's it. It really is the happiest medium you will find. As this anon said >>108280944 force yourself to use it and set it up to your liking.
I'm currently using Aurora (the immutable KDE version of universal blue) based on Kinoite. And I'm forcing myself to use it and flatpaks. It may not be perfect but it's the best is gonna get.

>>108281071
I don't get why Linus says Fedora of all things is closest to Linux philosophy. I don't hate it but isn't systemd inherently anti-unix?

>>108281167
Reaper is the only good free option.

>>108281142
Linus is the father of the Linux kernel and still works on it to this day. He uses Fedora with GNOME because he wants to use a distro that just werks and doesn't get in his way. His GNOME DE is basically tweak free.
If Fedora is good enough for the man himself, it's good enough for chuds like us.

>>108280919
I was too lazy to reinstall arch so I went with fedora
been using it for years now

>>108280963
amen.

>>108281333

if it runs clean it is 8GB more than 32GB DDR5 is told to be slightly different might have dual channel or not not many know

Pop is going to capitulate to the Colorado law for requiring age verification. I can't blame them, they're based in Co, so there isn't much they can do and being a small business there isn't much they can fight with.
I will be changing distros and was looking at Fedora. But, I suspect most companies will follow suit and start including the age verification as well, which *night* include Red Hat and since Fedora is backed by RH... What are the odds Fedora will start including that bullshit in their ISOs down the road?

>>108281427
If you read his biography he's bit like Mr. Stalinman, he spends his day using an email client and editing text and reviewing code. His need for gui is non-existent.
He was always affiliated with Red Hat anyway.

>>108281494
You can create a linux from scratch if things get bad enough. Compile your own kernel.

Lots of Fedora posting right now so I'll just add to it that I've been using the KDE version for a few weeks now and it has been smooth sailing for someone who just wants a normal working OS that is not Windows. Very nice to use overall, gonna have to learn some things ofc. Use a search engine or even AI when you want to know something.
The only sort of hard thing for a fresh user right off the bat is that Fedora doesn't offer non-free drivers and codecs by default. Here's the commands an Anon posted here that I used to get set up, maybe they will help someone new:

sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf config-manager setopt fedora-cisco-openh264.enabled=1
sudo dnf update @core
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-\*-appstream-data
sudo dnf swap ffmpeg-free ffmpeg --allowerasing
sudo dnf update @multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin
sudo dnf install libavcodec-freeworld

#If you have an nvidia GPU:
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia
sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda

>>108281494
Where your distro's mantainers are on the map is irrelevant: the California and Colorado bills target not Pop, but EVERY distro that anyone is using within those states, regardless of who makes it. Here is Jack from System76's thoughts on the matter

>There are serious misunderstandings about the law, both in the comments here and in the original post. The bill is short and the language is plain, it should be read in full carefully before commenting. I know this is Reddit... but it is useless to bluster about this without understanding the scope and who is potentially liable. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, just my personal opinion on the California bill:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043

>We at System76 are talking internally about what this bill, and the similar Colorado bill, would mean for our business. Any provider of an operating system that may be used in these states would have to do the same - this includes Canonical, elementary OS, Purism, Red Hat, SUSE, and many more. Community developed operating systems offered for free may even be required to comply or face fines, likely directed at whomever provides the OS in these states. If the operating system is developed internationally, but there is any business relationship with anyone in these states including support, pre-installed hardware, or otherwise - it is likely to make someone liable. The fines for non-compliance are plainly stated in the bill and are extreme.

1/2

>I personally hate this bill, and the idiot lawmakers who have pushed it. However, it passed unanimously (minus 3 votes not recorded) in the California assembly which has 60 democratic and 20 republican members. I would expect similar bills to pass in more states, and it is possible similar legislation would be passed in Europe and elsewhere in the near future. I do not believe most free and open source software is ready to handle the ludicrous amount of legal liability this kind of legislation introduces. The talk of non-compliance would be fun if there was not a 7500 dollar fine per child who uses the OS for the OS provider performing intentional non-compliance.

>I can assure you all that Pop!_OS, and likely many other open source operating systems, will do everything possible to prevent identification of users. This bill does not require any identifying information about users to be stored, outside of potentially their age fitting into one of four brackets (read the bill!). It is possible for a minimum implementation to simply not allow the operating system to run if the user says they are under 18 and in the state of California. Keep in mind that there are no requirements for a user to even tell the truth, and the operating system is not liable if they lie about their age.

>I think the scariest and saddest things about these bills are the scope they have, the lack of technological understanding demonstrated, and how much liability is shifted to OS providers, including those of free and open source operating systems. I am also seriously dismayed by the nonchalant attitude of naive commentators who believe open source is somehow off the hook, just because it would be better for us all to be off the hook. I would also clarify that the bill does not in any way require unique identification of users in order to comply with the requirements, there are many options for an OS to implement the requirements without changing the experience, privacy… 2/3

>and security of the vast majority of users.

>Signed, my deepest and dearest disdain to Gavin Newsom and the California State Assembly

3/3

>>108281563
This is only the start.
>We'll see how far we can go
>Hmmm no push back
>Ok let's claim the age verification isn't working because kids are putting in anything and hitting enter.
>We need to protect the kids! Ok let's mandate a scanned copy of a valid ID.
That's the end goal. Sadly, the massive population of NPCs are completely oblivious and don't care.

>>108281298
How's Fedora Workstation for Gaming/Blender 3D usage? Stability wise?
And how well does it handle drawing tablets?

>>108281709
Gaming takes a little bit of work at first. Catchy, Pop, etc usually ship with codexs and proton, et al preinstalled. Fedora doesn't. But it doesn't take much to get everything set up. Gaming works great can't say about Blender as I don't use it though.

>>108281709
i have a graphic tablet and it just werks

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Is it possible to put the partition table for a drive on a separate drive from the one it describes the partitions for? The GPT, if that makes a difference.

>>108281596
they're not stupid, they know this is just the inoffensive first step
>oh, just an age group? no means of verifying if i'm lying? not tied to my name or any other personal information?
>that's nothing to worry about... right?

>>108281167
https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.bitwig.BitwigStudio

>>108281596
>>108281966
or rather, the goal is to force the creation of an os-level user attestation api, just a simple one to start with, but it'll be much easier to build on it once it's there

>>108281420
>I don't get why Linus says Fedora of all things is closest to Linux philosophy. I don't hate it but isn't systemd inherently anti-unix?
Linus is an old man with shit today. He wants an OS he doesn't have to touch or modify much and Fedora fits the bill for that.

He's running extremely Linux friendly hardware (because of course he is) and isn't trying to do shit like play video games or watch multimedia, etc. Fedora is perfect for someone like him.

>>108282008
I play games and watch multimedia on Fedora all the time. It's great. Excellent wine builds.
>He's running extremely Linux friendly hardware
Get a job and buy a real computer.

>>108281420
don't confuse linux with unix

>>108282017
I'm not saying Fedora can't do those things, retard. RPMFusion exists after all. They're just not concerns for Linus.

>>108281420
>isn't systemd inherently anti-unix?
Unix service management doesn't work. This is where the hands of the broken clock that was VMS stopped.

>>108282053
Which UNIX? There's a lot of them. It's often claimed that Pottering took inspiration from Apple's launchd and Solaris, etc, but in fact he went way further. Systemd does everything.

>>108281974
How are VST plugins in Linux?

>>108282039
It's not a concern to anyone with a working front brain. The only way rpmfusion sounds like a problem is if you're an incompetent tech journo looking for comparison points.

>>108282068
Problematic if only built for Windows but I believe there's a way to run them in Wine with a bridge. Not an expert here though so you'd just have to try it and see for yourself.

>>108282058
I mean real Unix pre-SCO whoredom. By the 90s everyone figured out Unix service management doesn't work and they all came up with basically the VMS solution. systemd isn't that different.

>>108282072
Or if you want a "just werks" OS without having to tweak anything. You can say those people don't have a brain (that's offensive by the way) but they're out there.
Remember that the reason a lot of people use Windows still is because it's the path of least resistance. Want codecs? You can just download a codec pack or pay Microsoft for official codec support in their store that's supported by them. You don't even have to think about it.

>>108282079
Systemd is different because they decided service management isn't enough. They are basically deeply embedded into the whole OS.

>>108282076
I'm a different anon but was curious. Used to work with Ableton and had tons of vst stuff in Windows.
I'm sure latency is probably an issue in Linux with other problems. Might do some googling around first.
Because most professional vst plugs and synths have been made for Win/Mac in the first place..

>>108282091
systemd the service manager isn't systemd the software distribution. Guys who make low level plumbing decisions on big distros are capable of critical thinking. They're not going to take something just because 'hurrr systemd said'

>>108282106
Yes, but many of its components are deeply intertwined. Systemd itself see's itself as "system management layer" and not "service management". It's a different mindset.

>>108282117
It turns out you can just omit what you don't want really easily, and people often do.

>>108282131
But even if you do that you still end up with a monolith that does more than just service management.

This is where "Linux philosophy" != "UNIX philosophy" comes in. You can argue whether or not this is good or bad, but it's undeniable that Systemd does things differently compared to other service managers.

>>108282087
>Or if you want a "just werks" OS without having to tweak anything
That doesn't exist. Justwerks distros are made by weirdos with god complexes. They always vastly overreach and create brittle products.
>Remember that the reason a lot of people use Windows still is because it's the path of least resistance
That's their value judgment to make. Freedom isn't free.

>>108282134
>But even if you do that you still end up with a monolith that does more than just service management.
In fact you don't unless you're trying to redefine 'service management' as something which doesn't include process supervision or logging.

>>108282156
I'm saying Systemd does more than process supervision and logging. I'm not even talking about the optional components you can avoid like resolved and timesyncd, etc. The core itself still has features unrelated to service management, and yes, Poeterring was very vocal about trying to re-define what service management is hence this whole "System management layer" her created. It's literally called "Systemd" but Poeterring prefers to just call it "System".

>>108282171
Only if you cast an autismally narrow scope and expect every special Linux kernel feature to punt to a separate wrapper program for no reason other than inflating the total code base.

>>108282186
That's exactly what UNIX did though. They didn't replace all of the existing OS tooling, they worked with it instead. It's a completely different mindset.

I like cachy os :)

Any surface users here? I bought a pro 5 to play with since it was about as much as a IPS screen for my X250 and I can play with GNU Linux on a tablet. I use Kubutu normally but tried a bunch of distros and settled on Nobara since the surface support is built in by default. I have never used fedora before or tried to optimize battery life, any tips or programs i should look into?

>>108280919
I've never had the distrohopping desire. I assessed my options for what I needed, and made my choice. I'd only switch, if something fits my use case better.

>>108282198
Yeah and that's been thoroughly demonstrated a bad approach to service management.

Really programs like awk, sed, lex, make, ... quite often replace OS tooling and each other. Even classic Unix doesn't actually care about muh Unix philosophy. That's just something retrograde hobbywanks bring up when they don't want to learn things.

>>108282247
It's never been proven to be bad though, and the UNIX systems still used plain text log files too, for example, so you can easily grep them not have to worry about what happens if your binary log file gets corrupted.

>>108282263
systemd works with plain text logfiles too, and if you actually cared about that, which you don't, you could erasure code binary logs and have better redundancy. You're just pissed someone made you learn journalctl.

>>108282272
By work well, you mean have a syslog daemon read from the journal and duplicate all of your logs to text files, right? Because that's the only way to do it and yes, you could absolutely get better redundancy with database formats if that's what you want, but an end-user system doesn't need that. If you want that level of redundancy you send all of your logs to an external system of some sort.

>>108282284
>By work well, you mean have a syslog daemon read from the journal and duplicate all of your logs to text files, right?
No I mean just dump the journal as plain text because syslogd is just another moving part to break, but actually don't because that's still really stupid. This is a crab people argument for why you don't have to learn a dedicated log viewer and nobody should make you feel backward by using one.
>an end-user system doesn't need that
An end-user system has a GUI log viewer for the unfortunate eventuality they ever have to examine logs.

>>108282318
I have a GUI for plain text log files too. It's called a text editor.

What's a good lightweight distro for building and testing I can throw onto my network? Would prefer something with systemd and glibc by default. Can be headless or not, will prob just remove the de.

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I'm trying to format this SSD I have to install w*ndows 10 on it but it wasn't mounting and i ended up using these settings on it in gnome-disks. Every time I try to do something else I get additional fsyncing/closing input/output errors on it.

Is this still salvageable?

>>108282243
https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface

>>108282595
Just use

wipefs --all /dev/sdX

. Then your device will appear blank again so the Windows installer can clean format it and do whatever it wants with it.

>>108282668
>>108282595
Although, this looks like something may be wrong with your NVMe if it's saying it only has 1MB of space. You may have to use the

nvme format

tool, etc, or the drive is just toast and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>108279914
Cachy is popular because it's supposed to be an optimized Arch with all the popular tweaks being in a GUI. People use it because of the optimizations. It became popular when ClearLinux support ended since people saw the ClearLinux benchmarks and wanted to have that on their computers.

Bazzite is popular because it's Linux on easy mode which never requires the use of terminal or interacting with anything "advanced". It's supposed to just work out of the box and be easy to use for non-technical people. It's also popular because it has a handheld/htpc edition. Many if not most people who use it just want SteamOS and "SteamOS nVidia edition" and it's the best distro at this job.

Nobara is as popular as it is because it comes from the developer of ProtonGE. ProtonGE was extremely popular in the early days of Proton and has it's own community. But Nobara is not even half as popular as Cachy or Bazzite. The only reason it's still relevant is because it came before Cachy and Bazzite and most people aren't chronic distrohoppers.

What does Garuda offer in comparison? It looks like shit by default, has less DEs than Cachy, doesn't have the same optimizations as Cachy afaik, isn't as easy to use as Bazzite, doesn't come from a known/community-loved developer like Nobara, it's not as known as Manjaro and it's not as clean as EndeavourOS. It's obvious that it will not be as popular as these distros.

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Made the switch to CachyOS about a month ago and things have been going smooth gaming wise. I'm curious though, how do denuvo games work on linux? Does it actually get installed on your system and get kernel level access? Or is it something proton handles? I haven't installed any denuvo games and don't want to if it gets installed locally in any way.

>>108282894
There is no kernel level anti-cheat.
See "Are we Anti-Cheat yet" for a list of what's broken:
https://areweanticheatyet.com/

>>108282894
denuvo doesn't need kernel access.
in fact one of the ongoing cracks - for denuvo exploits the kernel see: https://reddit.nerdvpn.de/r/PiratedGames/comments/1rg03v3/awareness_about_hypervisor_vs_traditional_cracks/

>>108281055
you can run .deb installers on any distro through distrobox. cross-distro pacakge support is a solved problem.

>>108282894
denuvo games, even if they tried, couldn't magically know you're running a kernel they weren't design for and adapt to it.
Denuvo games I know aren't kernel level. If they were' they wouldn't work.

>>108282894
Denuvo games work, but iirc there was a bug where changing Proton versions would stop you from playing the game. Each Proton version has it's own runtime and is treated as a separate install as far as Denuvo is concerned, and apparently there is an install limit per license.
To be as safe as possible pick the current latest Proton version and don't ever change it.

>>108282952
>apparently there is an install limit per license.
scary

>>108282971
No one likes Denuvo except the companies they snake oil salesmen their way into implementing their shit for tens of thousands in dollars of contracts.

>>108283094
The only people who hate Denuvo are pirates.

>>108283108
It makes games run like shit.

>>108283108
>>108283115
not this shit again

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>>108283115
Does it really? I remember there were more recent benchmarks debunking that theory.

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>>108282672
>>108282668
it's still registering in lsblk with it's proper size; would a dead drive do THIS?

>>108283130
Yeah it would actually.

>>108278828
I'd been meaning to switch to Linux for like 15 years and finally dabbled by putting it on my old Thinkpad a couple years ago. I started with Mint with the intention that I would sort of dip my toes with the stupid beginner distro for grandmothers, then I would be ready for a """REAL""" distro like Arch by the time I got my new laptop a few months later.

Well it turns out Mint WERKS and I had no desire for extra fucking around so I got my new laptop and immediately put Mint on that one too. This was like 6 months ago, and it had been nagging at me that I should put something different on the Thinkpad to try it out, but I hadn't really got around to it. Yesterday I pulled the trigger and installed Arch and here are my takeaways:
>It's actually very easy to install. You don't have to know anything, there's the Wiki and there are so many install guides on Youtube or whatever. I did a manual install first then used the install script to do another one after.
>It's easy but time consuming and cumbersome to do manually. There is absolutely no reason I can gather to do a manual install. The install script covers everything relevant but saves a lot of fucking around.
>You don't really learn that much from doing it that you couldn't learn from spending a little while to understand any Linux system. For me it was nothing new really, anything I looked up to learn more I sort of went 'OK great but I don't give a shit about that'. The basics of Linux I already knew from tinkering in Mint anyway so maybe for a complete beginner it would be more enlightening.
>The desktop environment is arguably more important than the distro. I went with KDE Plasma and made the mistake of installing kde-applications just because an install guide told me to. Holy fuck was it bloated, what a mess of useless shit. It was going to take me so long to tidy it up that I decided to just do a complete reinstall, which is why I did it a second time with the install script.

>>108283238
I use Fedora for the same reason: It just fucking works.

>>108283128
You don't get invasive spyware for nothing. It all comes with a cost. It's just that CPUs have gotten a lot more powerful.

>>108282595

maybe shutdown computer disconnect ssd reconnect attempt to format with windows installer

>>108279539
>>108279807
>>108279911
Nevermind, I discovered that TDE does have a power management utility, but it wasn't installed by default, it's called tdepowersave-trinity

>>108283238
Archinstall can occasionally mess up. I recall having issues with emmc storage in particular. Most good reasons to do a manual arch install are either you are incredibly particular about the installation or circumventing issues like that.

>>108283238
>KDE Plasma is shit out of the box. Everything is super slow and feels like a dying machine due to excessive animations and other unnecessary crap. Stuff like that isn't more 'modern' it is outright more shit, devs just adding things for the sake of it. However I spent a good amount of time tweaking it to get it to my liking and it is going pretty well now. It is highly customizable I like all the options, so in that regard Plasma is pretty good I think, just a bit more fucking around.
>I installed Xfce as well just for comparison's sake, it was ugly and not user friendly compared to Mint's Xfce. Once again you can set it up how you like, once again it depends if you really can be bothered with all that fucking around.
>I never had any major problems yet, but I know rolling updates cause issues for some people. I don't really see why you would do that rather than take an older more stable version of most things, then you can choose which ones you keep fully up to date if there are some features you really want.

So to summarize I wouldn't really say it was a waste of time because I was curious about it and I got what I wanted in the end. I can say the funny meme line and whatever. But I don't feel it was particularly beneficial to me. I'll play around with it a bit longer and see what else I can get from it, I will probably try some more desktop environments and so on when I feel so inclined. But if anyone feels they are missing something by running a more user-friendly distro, you are - you're missing a lot of fucking around which has very little relevance to your end user experience. I kind of like that type of fucking around but for 90% of people there is going to be no real benefit in using Arch, meanwhile there are a few notable drawbacks.

Any thoughts? Am I missing something major here? As I said earlier, it is only my second day on it.

>>108283359
I kind of feel like the only reason to install Arch at all is that you are incredibly particular. Install script seems a bit like cheating in that regard, if you're going to go all in the go all in.

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>>108278828
Hehe

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Hello /g/entoomen. I've enabled the arch extra repository on Artix linux. How can I list installed softwares on my system only available on the extra repository and not in the galaxy repository? Thanks.

is there any reason to use a different terminal over what comes default with the de

>>108283547
Depends, how severe is your autism?

>>108283547
If you're comfortable with the terminal that's included with your DE package you aren't the kind to look for alternatives and just use the thing that works already.

>>108282971
>>108282952
>don't ever change it
False fucking retarded advice. Stay using game consoles instead of posting your sub 80 iq lies here.
It's not a bug because that's how steam works, it overwrites the little game prefix whenever you are changing runner.
There is a limit how many tokens can be generated during 24 hours. This is not permanent you shitter.

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I might be getting a used T420 soon.

1) How do I fully and properly check if it's been tampered with or not? What BIOS settings should I change? I'm hoping Computrace isn't enabled on this thing, site said there's no pre-installed OS, which is fine. I'll have to download the OS through my Windows 10 system though, but I think if the checksums are okay (will inspect with HashCheck/7z), and they don't get altered suddenly, it's safe enough? I'll use Rufus.

2) Coreboot, Libreboot, Canoeboot, or GNUBoot? Genuinely never screwed with this stuff, seems overkill. But I'll do it if it's worth it.

3) Is me_cleaner recommended? Sounds like a pain in the ass, unless I'm wrong, unless you use coreboot. Skimmed the Github page a little. Heads and Skulls too, etc.

4) Linux distributions with zero systemd influence? Honestly it's whatever and I could just use Mint, or Windows 7, but I might check Artix. Gentoo sounds cool but I'm not sure if I'm in the mood for installing it.

If there's a webcam, I'll just tape it over, I don't care for those. If you guys have any more tips, info, or resources, I'll read them. Some website or whatnot on how to properly secure a Thinkpad is all I need.

You know what tumbleweed is not that bad

>>108283547
I use ghostty because I like font ligatures

>>108283739
>not that bad
what a striking endorsement.

>>108283804
yeah, it's aight

>>108283738
>Linux distributions with zero systemd influence?
Use Devuan if systemd is the only thing you don't want, if you want something that's also Red Hat free then BSDs are pretty much your only option. And also Gentoo is not completely free from systemd influence, it still uses the systemd-utils package

>>108283547
Depends what the default is. Konsole is good enough for most of my needs although I sometimes use Alacritty.

>>108283827
>it still uses the systemd-utils package
Only for tmpfiles and Udev. You don't have to use these things if you don't want to but you're on your own if you decide to go without it and definitely don't expect a major desktop environment like KDE to work with Mdev, etc.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev#Will_mdev_work_on_my_system.3F

>>108283832
Doesn't matter; says systemd. systemd bad.

>>108283865
Yeah, it's very bad and I hate Udev but it's entrenched at this point. If you want to run a modern desktop environment (and I do like using KDE) then you need it. Only other option is to switch to a worse kernel and userland like FreeBSD.

>>108283739
>>108283804
>Tumbleweed
It's decent, but the Linux userbase is mostly elsewhere so its more DIY the further you stray from the path.

>>108279914
Too indian.

>>108283873
Nothing wrong with systemd. /g/ bring contrairian for the sake of being contrairian

>>108283716
The only person retarded here is the person buying games with such DRM.

>>108284257
Udev was a separate project before it was incorporated into Systemd anyway. I'll use it but it does have its problems, it's not simply contrarian. The rules format is complex and hard to debug is the main complaint I have with it.

how do i make a bootable linux usb, from linux, for a computer thats too old to support GPT or UEFI?
I plan to make it a winXP/Linux dual booT
>WinXP for old games, offline
>Linux for regular use, downloading stuff for the windows installation
i just burnt winXP into a Cd to install it lol but most distros are bigger than 700MB

>>108284408
literally just

sudo cp distro.iso /dev/sdz

where sdz is the usb drive

>>108284408
The only way to make a dual boot Windows/Linux installer on one USB is to use Ventoy.

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Is this true or is Google lying to me?

>>108284430
>cp
I don't think cp can do that, shouldn't he use dd instead?

>>108284835
Try
>sudo mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sda1
And reboot

>>108284904
cp can do that too. dd lets you manually specify a buffer size.

>>108284904
cp can do that

>>108282575
Any distro can be a minimal one. You can for example take Debian and leave everything unchecked at the install stage. Or if you really want to neckbeard you can install Arch or Gentoo or "debootstrap" let's say Ubuntu, they are all equally small at the initial stage.
>headless
>de
Headless means there's no graphical output nor human input, like no virtual terminal or anything. Something like a router box for example.
>>108281544
Everyone should compile their own kernels regardless the distro.

>>108284908
this is the friendly thread, don't be mean

>>108284929
When zoomers say lightweight they mean it runs fast. Which is to say it has working drivers for their shit Windows hardware ootb, and that's usually the exact opposite of lightweight.

>>108284904
you'd assume so since it brings up the question of if cp can do it, why does everyone say to use dd?
i'm actually not sure, but i assume it's for historical reasons and has just stuck. like perhaps there was at some point a reason to want to specify a buffer size, but not as long as i've used linux

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Post more memes.
>>108284953
>drivers
Having loads of modules in the kernel package (and lots of binary blobs under /lib/firmware) doesn't make anything slower if that's what you are implying.
Gigantic kernel package is the norm on all distributions and very few Linux users compile their own custom kernel sets.
>>108282087
Is adding a package repository "tweaking"? Never used Fedora desu.

Why is my firefox, discord(yikes), and most of all steam. All taking a while to start?

Anyway I can make them start up faster, I guess one culprit could be my slow ass HDD idk.

>>108285008
>slow ass HDD
what was your first clue? get a SSD for god's sake, it's 2026

>>108285008
use case for slow ass HDD?

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>>108285008
because you're using a hdd in $(date +%Y)
if you want faster startup using a hdd you have to use techniques we used to use back when people booted from hdds, such as;
- short-stroking, that is, make a small root partition at the start of the disc, this ensures the os and applications all stay near the beginning of the disc, where it's fastest (rotational media performs differently from beginning to end due to the physical nature of a spinning disc, cd's have this but are fastest at the end as they're read inside-out, vinyl records are read outside-in because they literally sound better on the outside so that's where the most popular/first songs are recorded, etc)
- raid0
- e4rat can make a huge difference in startup times. you run a program, boot up and start your most used programs, then run another program. it tracks all the files that were accessed and physically rearranges them on an ext4 volume so they can be read near-sequentially on boot, which is far faster on a hdd

>>108285012
>getting a SSD in 2026
I hope anon enjoys paying out the ass for anything that isn't a tiny Kingston tier piece of shit

>>108285080
>short-stroking
heh, I'm doing that every day
:(

>>108285085
>tiny kingston pier piece of shit
funny that was exactly what my first ssd was: 120gb.
you really don't need much, even 60gb is enough. the main thing that matters is the system and applications, everything else you can shove in a HDD.

>>108285008
>>108285080
there's also preload and prelink, tools some people used to improve performance when using hdd's, but no distro nowadays uses them anymore as they don't expect people to use a hdd and they have basically no effect on ssds

>>108285088
>>108285008
I would also add: if you're using flatpaks or containerized software then it's going to be slow, if you install it using your native package manager it would be faster

>>108285173
https://sourceforge.net/projects/preload/
if this sounds familiar, it's similar to "superfetch" on windows

ideally of course you should just get literally any ssd and use that instead

>>108285008 (me)


>>108285012
>>108285062
>>108285080
>>108285085
>>108285173
>>108285181

I'm actually retarded since I forgot for a moment that my OS is on my SSD, although that doesn't disregard the fact that my HDD is slowly making its death.

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>>108283346
The drive isn't being recognized in software. It still shows up in BIOS tho

>>108285334
there's ssd and ssd.
a sata2 ssd is wildly different from a gen4 nvme.

>>108285334
i see.
firefox, discord, and steam in particular can be slow even if just your home is on a hdd, because;
- steam and discord are installed in your home directory, this is because both rely on installing updates/new software on their own and they can only do this if they're in your home directory
- firefox, while installed in root, accesses a lot of runtime data from your home directory (disc caches, several databases, etc)

Got a thinkpad and installed qubes, jesus fuck its daunting as a first time linux user, having to google the commands to do stuff is agony, but I'm starting to grasp how qubes works it little by little

>>108285350
Yep, have been planning to buy a newer one to replace my HDD with, install my OS on it and then have my current sata2 ssd replace the HDD.

>>108285381
I don't have a separate partition for my home directory, my HDD just lives in /mnt/HDD

>>108285391
yeah if you're still on a sata2 drive it doesn't surprise me much, the applications you've listed are bloated as fuck, steam embeds a browser, electron (discord) embeds a browser, everything has a browser these days and nobody's sharing resources like say gtk where you only need to open it once.

>>108285350
how much of a difference does it really make for OS/program startups though

>>108285420
all of it? the bottleneck for loading is disk read. a gen4 nvme for example is 8x faster than a sata2.

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>>108285424
the difference in load times is pretty negligible

>>108285465
that's a pretty shit graph, also boot time is a tricky metric because options like fast boot exist.

>>108278828
have linux users seen booty before

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how do i stop being a complete retard when it comes to linux? i just signed up to the kernel and newbie mailing lists

>>108285508
>excuses
the fact remains that in day-to-day use you will hardly ever see any meaningful difference between sata and nvme unless you regularly move GBs of files around

>>108285561
the graph is correct in that the difference is definitely not the 8x for regular use as the cpu is also relevant.
the speed bump will vary depending on use, but you'll notice it most on shit like loading games.

agendav is dead. I have an CalDev self hosted solution setup, but I want to have a read only webpage for some of my calendar items so I don't need to keep reminding people of my schedule.

Am I coding this or is there a solution?

Is there a good way to make my Linux Mint UI look like windows 7, aero glass and all?

>>108286123
https://gitgud.io/aeroshell/atp/aerothemeplasma/-/tree/master

>>108283827
I have considered Devuan and OpenBSD before. Understood. I may have asked a lot of stuff that's not really adequate to ask on here as well. To /tpg/ I go.

I did 'sudo dnf upgrade' and updooted. I suspect libinput was updated in the process and it seems like it has regression.
How can I check the last batch of rpm packages since the upgrade?
dnf history seems useless.

>>108286415
you only need to type sudo dnf up these days.

>>108286451
I don't give a fuck about your cretinous 'advice' do not reply to my post if you don't have anything else to say.

>>108286463
You really love wasting keystrokes don't you? Install Debian if you want stability instead of being a guinea pig for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Enjoy your regressions.

I love Fedora KINOite so much, bros.

>>108286488
Your post is the exact reason why these generals should not even be allowed on /g/.

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if I'm on Ryzen, can I just right click and ignore all future updates for this package? can I actually just remove the package altogether?

how long do the archniggers normally take to update to the latest LTS?

RIP PoopOS

>>108286531
I'm an Archnigger and I started on LTS kernel and installed whatever was most recent on all software and have NEVER updated. I will NEVER update.
>b-b-but
SHUT THE FUCK UP. I will NEVER update.

>>108286661
fair enough. i used to be like that but i heard enough arguments against LTS. mainline is just LTS with less steps.

>>108286528
sounds like it.

>>108286531
6.18 is still the non-lts kernel, lts will only get updated when it's a different version than the non-lts ones.

>>108286744
>6.18 is still the non-lts kernel
false
it's the LTS kernel
archniggers just want to drag their heels for no reason

>>108286719
Just have a think
about this
isn't it crazy
how often an update
will break things
now tell me one time
that an update
has fixed things?
>Patch notes:
>fix for this fix for that fix for this fix for that
but it wasn't broken
and now it is
no more updates

Planning to install some beginner-friendly distro at some point soon. Was planning on Mint, but the instructions require a program called "Balena Etcher" to create the bootable media. The broken English on the Etcher website is really putting me off. As a general rule, I prefer not to install software from sources that reek of retardation. Is there any other way to create bootable media for Mint or in general? Or a different distro with a better path for getting started?

>>108286826
>reek of retardation
>can't even figure out how to make a bootable usb
pot kettle etc

>>108286826
https://docs.getaurora.dev/guides/install-guide

>>108286816
it's not always about fixing things
it's about performance and new features

What broken English are you talking about? Site looks pretty professional to me. It's the easiest way to do it you are not relying on anything to do with Balena once you have it on the drive so who gives a shit.

>>108286893
performance is fine
don't want new features

no more updates

>>108286838
There's nothing to figure out. You download a program to do it, and you do it. I'm merely asking if there's a method that isn't visibly a shitshow right out the gate. I already said I'm a beginner, I don't want to be fucking around and coming up with my own steps this early in the process.

>>108286922
>Here at balena we have thousands of users working through our getting started process, we found there was no easy way for our users to flash an SD card that we could recommend to everyone.
>Who said flashing SD cards has to be an eyesore. Etcher has an intuitive 3-step process with no command lines!
>Etcher is built on open source tools and is and always will be free and open source to use!
>BalenaEtcher is and always will be free and open sourced, it is maintained by balena staff but we welcome contributions from the community.

>>108286938
>don't want new features
gay

>>108286956
>Etcher has an intuitive 3-step process with no command lines!
I don't see a problem here. The marketing is clearly targeting less technologically skilled people and is written in a joking manner, so saying "lines" is fine. It would be like saying "no terminals involved!" or something.

recompiling the entire llvm toolchain for the third time in 2 days award

>>108286801
no, it's still the stable kernel in arch repos. It doesn't mean shit that upstream declared it lts, until the stable kernel in the arch repos goes up to the next version the lts one won't update. Why would you have the lts and the stable kernel on the same version?

>>108287151
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE FUCKING KERNEL MAINTAINERS DECIDED

>>108286415
It wasn't libinput, but 580.126 nvidia driver. It wasn't instantly noticeable, it still has some sort of page flipping issue which also caused unwanted issues in Thunar. Of course this could be related to the included xorg-nvidia-libs but who the fuck am I to investigate this further.
580.119 was already unusable to many people and nvidia said they have addressed these bugs after this release but release notes were pretty vague in the end.
Back to the good old 580.95 from October 2025.

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>>108278828
Should I just vite the bullet distro wise? I like a zillion other fags on here wants to switch to Linux from Windows but I'm unsure what to use. I want to actually learn and understand the OS while also liking the end user customization.

I've been thinking of just going for Arch and using one of those installers people make is this a terrible idea /g/? Or should I just use one of those pre-packaged versions like Cachy?

>>108287282
anon, my advice is going to be use AI to answer the basic shit
yes, just use fucking Arch and use "archinstall" to get set up, just look up what this means if you don't know, but it's basically a very simple terminal installer which is hard to fuck up.
don't use "downstream" distros like CachyOS until you REALLY understand what you're doing, which you obviously don't at this point

>>108278828
is there a local way to know what variables you should assign in config files?
e.g in the zsh config file is there a way to locally find what SAVEHIST does? I imagine there are many variables I would want to tinker with and I frankly can't even find a full suite of variables I can alter for zsh online

>>108287369
Literally read the zsh manual, it's complete.
https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/zsh_toc.html

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>>108280767
gamescope fixed all my issues

>>108287709
gamescope fixed your autism? how did it do that?

>>108287350
>don't use "downstream" distros like CachyOS until you REALLY understand what you're doing, which you obviously don't at this point
whats the reasoning behind that though? All those are advertised as noob friendly,

>>108280963
You mean boomers?

>>108287724
>I want to actually learn and understand the OS
This isn't noob friendly, you don't want something noob friendly

>>108287724
basically the concept of "upstream". not many distros can honestly claim being
>upstream
>having a serious and large community
>general-purpose enough to fit nearly everyone's needs

>>108287731
no, bloomers

>>108287736
>This isn't noob friendly, you don't want something noob friendly
fair enough, hopefully i wont drown in the deepend

I asked gemini to give me a way to apply atomic updates automatically on TW upon shutdown. It created this script:
https://pastebin.com/wVC58HbR
What do you think /fglt/?

>>108287864
not bad for an idea. you'll never catch me going back to openpuse. but it's interesting how people are making use of AI on the exodus away from winshit (I'm assuming you're a recent refugee).

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>>108280919
I installed omarchy. Now it's on all of my machines because it's comfy af and I'm a theme designer for it with 3 themes on the official Omarchy themes page. Pic related, it's one of my themes

>>108287950
I don't know if openSUSE will prove to be solid at all in the long term, but my goal is to find a way to have:
1. A rolling release distro
2. Updates that don't easily break
3. Not read only root
4. Automatic updates
The idea is that I shut down my system every day + I don't give a fuck about long shutdown times + atomic updates on new snapshots require an immediate reboot or shutdown anyways (well, unless I want changes to system files to be lost after performing the update).
If this works well I'm abusing this stuff from now on

Are Linux phones viable yet? If not, are there any viable phone OSs that aren't walled gardens like iOS and Android?

>>108288062
Yes, it's called Android. To answer the question you were trying to ask: no, and it's in an even worse state than desktop Linux.

>>108288077
>To answer the question you were trying to ask: no, and it's in an even worse state than desktop Linux.
That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life

>>108288119
Basically all of the things I use my phone for require waydroid or don't work at all: email, banking, rideshare, messaging, flight boarding passes, contactless payment.
Even with that, no banking apps, no contactless payment.
The contactless payment thing isn't the end of the world, but the banking apps are because my bank shoves the app down my throat for 2fa.
The only things I can do without waydroid are make phone calls, text message, and browse the internet.
I can't even use a native email client because my employer has it locked down to only the gmail app on android.

>>108280919
install Gentoo

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Is this dead? I like the concept of a megaminimalist keyboard centered browser but it hasn't been updated in 5 years

>>108287282
Ignore Arch freaks and install Mint. The advice you get from autistic retards is not good advice. Get Mint Cinnamon if you have a computer from the last 10 years or so, or if you are using something really old you might want Mint Xfce. You can learn anything you want in any distro, there is absolutely nothing stopping you from changing it up to be exactly how you want it. The difference on the more user-friendly distros is that there is less fucking around to install, you immediately boot into a usable environment with most of the tools you will need pre-installed, and other more niche shit is easily accessible through some kind of clean and simple storefront-type app. You never have to use the terminal unless you want to, but if you do want to you can do anything that you can do in any other distro. It isn't limited, but rather not mandatory.

Arch and other distros with a similar philosophy force you to 'learn' even when you don't want to, but the learning is actually just blindly following instructions from some forum or video or chat GPT or whatever. You get exposed to a lot more low level stuff, but very little of it is actual 'learning' unless you want to spend a literal week studying every little thing as you go.

I use Arch BTW, and it is perfectly doable for a first timer, but you must be prepared to do a lot of fucking around, and if you are going deep and trying to customize from the start you are much more likely to really monumentally fuck something up to the point that you might have to reinstall.

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How do I stop distrohopping every week?
I genuinely feel mentally ill for not just sticking with a singular Distro.

>>108288841
install gentoo

>>108288841
Arch was the distro that made me stop looking.

>>108288803
>Arch and other distros with a similar philosophy force you to 'learn' even when you don't want to, but the learning is actually just blindly following instructions from some forum or video or chat GPT or whatever
Just like all hands-on learning? First time you want to know how to disable a kernel module you follow a guide that tells you what to put in modprobe.d. Now you have learned it and next time you know how to do it or undo it. Personally I find it much better than reading a textbook about Linux knowledge you may or may not end up using or whatever.

>>108288841
Eh, you're probably distro hopping because you're excited and interested in the Linux ecosystem. When the light dies you'll stick with something to save yourself the hassle.

>>108288841
I dunno man, in the beginning I tried like 5 distros in a week and thought Fedora was the best for me and just stayed with it. Ultimately you don't even have that many choices since most distros are just downstream of Arch/Debian/Fedora and you can just customize those to your liking. Sure there's some other stuff like Void but usually they are small enough distros with small enough teams that you run into some stupid issues like them failing to update some package 99% of users don't need but you do and then you have broken dependencies for your thing. Gentoo is neat I guess but you need to be very autistic.

>>108288841
nixOS solved my distro hopping.
>has every DE and WM packaged for it
>huge package repo of 100k+ packages
once i realized every DE and WM was available on one system i made a hyprland setup the way i liked and stopped DE hopping. tried cosmic for like 3 weeks and went back to hyprland.
i used to distro hop when a regression in software happened as well if it was bad enough and nixOS offers rollbacks

>>108288889
But there is no real frame of reference there, so a new user is unlikely to retain any of it. Like there is a big difference between learning 1-2 steps that you didn't know about within a framework you are familiar with, vs being a total beginner immediately having to decide whether to add an extra partition on your hard drive for virtual ram or use zswap, in which case do you want lz4 or zstd compression, etc etc. Sure you can spend the time to learn about the differences between all these options, but in most cases you are going to just follow a guide and do what it says and not retain any of it.

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anyone got this issue? AMD GPU on Fedora

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i'm using gnome with a neat macOS theme, and while i like it it still has some shortcomings that annoy me. like whenever i download an application, depending on if it's flatpak or rpm, if its made with gtk or qt, or for some other reason my theme will affect the application differently. also the lack of good transparent window support.

so i've been eyeing KDE plasma instead. but does this solve the issue with inconsistent themes?

>>108289044
>this issue(does not explain further)
Thanks anon, for the high quality question.

>>108289074
well thats the extent of the issue, black boxes on the wallpaper, they dont show up on anything else just wallpapers. But it looks like when screenshotted they turn transparent

>>108289044
Fedora seems to have some strange bugs. I suspect some Fedora Spins are so different from each other that people should just install the basic bitch ass default Gnome Workstation and go from there. What I mean is that if you are using a 'spin' it might differ from the mainline distribution.
All it needs that one of your desktop environment's packages is incompatible with the current drivers and you get this bullshit issue with no explanation.

>>108289069
What is this theme's name or url?
I'm afraid theming on Linux is like this, changing a desktop environment won't help you in this sense.
Just suck it down and try to use one type of applications.

>>108289044
your gpu is dying bro

>>108289173
https://github.com/vinceliuice/WhiteSur-gtk-theme

>>108289177
Oh yeah I noticed that have this bookmarked already but I haven't done anything about it yet. Pretty cool. It's hard to secretly be a mac fag.

>>108289175
its not tho, its just the wallpaper

>>108289147
Without that clarification it's hard to know if that's just part of the image and you're referring to something else.
I don't see any black boxes in the wallpaper. I assume you mean the white boxes?
Are you using any kind of scaling? That may be part of it.
If it helps, I have a 9070XT with Mate no scaling and I have never seen something like this.
What kernel are you on? I'm on 6.18.15

>>108289222
no scaling, but thats my 2nd monitor
9060xt 16gb
6.18.10-100.fc42.x86_64

>>108289290
Only happens on the second monitor?
Different resolutions?
On wayland? Try x11 before doing anything else.
If that doesn't fix it, I would probably start with doing a full system upgrade since I doubt the latest version is 6.18.10 even though you're a release behind.
If you're still having issues, and not on 6.18.15, try upgrading to that. It should be in the test updates repo although you may need to upgrade to fc43.
Still broken? Grab the latest stable release from kernel.org, if it's not available from your distro, and compile it yourself.
Even now broken? Try different distros and DEs on a live USB, and quietly weep.

>>108289364
yeah different resolutions, im not doing x11 tho. I can just live with it just wanted to see if someone else had this issue

>>108289396
I didn't say you had to use it forever, it's just a good diagnostic to find where the problem is.

>Debian KDE
>been using Wayland but I decide to try out X11
>can't tap to click on my touchpad anymore
>framerate and battery life are worse
>switch back to Wayland
>everything just werks
Why do stupid cunts here claim X11 is better?

>>108289542
broken drivers or married to non-compliant applications

>>108289542
Because they tested Wayland on Xfce: a meme DE that hasn't had a major update in years.

>>108289542
Because my DE doesn't fully support Wayland.
I've been using X11 for decades and it seems to just keep working on my machine.

>>108289614
If your DE doesn't support Wayland, it's a crap DE.

>>108288841
once citizen ID is required to use an operating system, we will all jusst make our own distros with the help of AI. Don't worry too much about distro hoping for now, but start learning what it takes to make a distro

>>108289661
Not everyone needs change for the sake of it zoom zoom.

>>108289679
You changed to Linux in the first place, though.

>>108288803
>implying Arch is "hard"
It's a basic binary distro, just like Mint. The difference is it's plain and unflavoured and leaves that part to the end user, hence the popularity. And there's no Ubuntu or other ecosystem in play, that may be a good or a bad thing depending on the use case.
>>108288902
>start using Linux in 1999
>pick between Debian and Red Hat (Slackware was always a meme)

>start using Linux in the current year
>?????

>>108289574
What are my desktop environment options regarding Wayland? I know there's KDE and Gnome but is that really it?

>>108289679
>"you are a zoomer if you try out things"
Never understood this mindset.

>>108289715
>What are my desktop environment options regarding Wayland?
There's also COSMIC and LXQt

>>108280067
It's linux. You control the bloat.

After almost 8 years it’s time to ditch Ubuntu. It’s Debian time, I guess. I don’t want to fuss with the OS, I want Just Werks.

>>108289707
OS/2 was on the road to abandonware at the time, I don't know if that's for the sake of it.
Also, I *was* young when I switched to Linux, so I don't think that takes away from my offhand unserious comment.

>>108289715
It's more about the why. For example, I travel, try new food, occasionally give a new hobby a try because the novelty is often fun and sometimes I'll find something I really enjoy.
Why would I bother trying to change my display server when I have no issues with X11. You could make a much better argument for changing DE actually impacting how I use a computer, but, as long as I don't need to think about it, a display server is doing its job.
Assuming my DE supported both, what would trying Wayland possibly get me when I have no issues with X11?
>>"you are a zoomer if you try out things"
They gave me a crap response, so I returned the favor.
Also, in my experience it's generally the young who go to the effort of changing things for the sake of changing them.
I would have some experience, being young at one point.

Also, as an old timer, there was Mandrake, which was trying to be what Mint is today, and SUSE, which you had to pay for back in 1999, as well.
A bunch of smaller ones as well like jurix that was the base of SUSE for a bit after they stopped basing it off of Slackware.

>>108289831
Debian pretty much just werks so good luck

>fedora 43 desktop on laptop
>set up hyprland so I could experiment with using only keyboard shortcuts to avoid touchpad
>works, but every time I log in I get a warning it doesn't have hyprland-qtutils installed
>try to install it
>has a conflict with knighttime (included in distro package)
>get warnings if I try and remove knighttime (I don't think I'm using it, but it's a dependency for plasma-workspace-libs-6.6.1-1.fc43.x86_64)

Updating and loading repositories:
 Fedora 43 - x86_64 - Updates
repositories loaded.
Failed to resolve the transaction:
Problem: problem with installed package
- installed package knighttime-6.6.1-1.fc43.x86_64 requires libQt6Core.so.6(Qt_6.10)(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- package knighttime-6.6.1-1.fc43.x86_64 from updates requires libQt6Core.so.6(Qt_6.10)(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
- cannot install both qt6-qtbase-6.9.2-1.fc43x86_64 from fedora and qt6-qtbase-6.10.2-2.fc43.x86_64 from @System
- cannot install both qt6-qtbase-6.10.2-2.fc43.x86_64 from updates and qt6-qtbase-6.9.2-1.fc43x86_64 from fedora
- package hyprland-qt-support-0.1.0-8.fc43.x86_64 from copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:solopasha:hyprland requires hyprland-qt-support(x86-64), but none of the providers can be installed
- conflicting requests

Does anyone have a recommendation on how to fix this? Why can't I just force it to have both the 6.9.2-1 and 6.10.2-2 versions installed and packages just use whichever one they prefer?

>>108289872
It's funny how recent Windows refugees know more about Linux than longtime Linux users

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New to Linux here. About to test drive PopOS and perhaps Ubuntu too. What modern solutions are there for firewalls that give you an alert by alert basis when ever an app is trying to phone home to some server, and with the option to mark the Linux app as trusted or such?

>>108290290
i haven't tried it but i know of opensnitch

>>108290280
>"I've forgotten more than you'll ever know"

>>108290290
you don't need anything on linux, there's firewalld or ufw already installed and that's good enough.
use bubblewrap if you don't want an application to use the web.

>>108290307
No, it's just that Linux oldfags are stunning examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect and mistake their clumsiness for wisdom.

>>108289872
>I have no issues with X11
Just admit you're poor.

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>>108290331
It's not 5090 spend, but I still don't trust their drivers. Why don't you post yours as well?

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>>108290290
And on top of a network firewall, is there anything like this for Linux that can detect when a file is trying to create a temporary file and execute it? I understand Linux doesn't have a global hook system and an os-wide message loop system like Windows, but is there anything that keeps track of similar things and gives you a headsup alert like a firewall? I'm nervous about auto updating an app, and ending up with a compromised app from a hacked source like some of the recent Linux malware scares.

>>108290462
>i want the same thing that i have on windows
linux is not windows, we have our own solutions that are very different like SElinux and Apparmor.

>>108290316
I'm going to check out OpenSnitch, but does these firewalld and ufw apps you mentioned have an alert by alert basis for Linux apps? I would like to only allow a Linux app to connect to the Internet if I want it to. I don't want a program to phone home to check for updates or auto-start downloading an update and executing it without asking me for permission first and such.

>>108290481
>i want to control which apps have access to the web
you can't, apps can use other applications and libraries to connect to the web. the solution is not giving the application permissions in the first place.
if you can't trust an app you run it in a sandbox like bubblewrap or a VM.

>>108289364
>Grab the latest stable release from kernel.org, if it's not available from your distro, and compile it yourself.
>Even now broken? Try different distros and DEs on a live USB, and quietly weep.
On Fedora you can just install the kernel rpm from Rawhide. It doesn't have dependencies on other packages so you can just install that and it'll work.

>>108290280
I feel like you're interpreting my comments on X11 and Wayland to mean that Wayland shouldn't exist.
I might be wrong because you were incapable of writing what you disagreed with in your post, but oh well.
Does wayland do many things better than X11? Most certainly yes!
Do the deficiencies with X11 directly impact me? Not at all!
So there is no reason for me, personally, to switch, especially considering MATE Wayland support is not stable.

>>108288077
>>108288209
Does grapheneOS not count as a linux distribution?

>>108288209
>I can't even use a native email client because my employer has it locked down to only the gmail app on android.
I know Gmail is a proprietary email service that doesn't follow the standards properly but surely there's a way to spoof that?

>>108290462
>I'm nervous about auto updating an app, and ending up with a compromised app from a hacked source like some of the recent Linux malware scares.
the fuck are you even talking about?

>>108290460
Why did you blank out your display name?

>>108290509
you totally can, run the app in its own network namespace, totally controlling what they can reach or not. You don't need a jail or VM for that.

Can somebody hit me up on why there's so much opposition to Systemd? I've heard it's just like GNOO-SLASH-Linux equivalent of System32, which is an essential component of Windows.
Is it just because people don't feel comfortable about having a "d" (especially one from another guy) on their system?

>>108290462
>is there anything like this for Linux that can detect when a file is trying to create a temporary file and execute it?
There is no need for that if you mount /tmp with noexec then nothing can do that anyway.

>>108290704
Well, technically they can just put the file in ~/.cache or somewhere else, etc, so it doesn't do much for you but stops scripts that blindly try to download to /tmp and execute without checking in their tracks.

>>108290702
>run the app in its own network namespace
that's a sandbox mate, also not bulletproof.
eg i use bubblewrap no net from time to time and that doesn't stop my apps from opening a url in firefox.

>>108290703
It's because (some) people feel it's doing too much. It's not just an init system and service manager. It has some optional components you can avoid but even the core is more than just an init system and service manager.

Some people feel init systems and service managers should be small in scope and any other additional functions should be handled separately.

>>108290703
the hate against systemd started before it even existed, as the creators previous project, pulseaudio, was not popular with everyone.

>>108290723
>eg i use bubblewrap no net from time to time and that doesn't stop my apps from opening a url in firefox.
You have a whole in your sandbox allowing DBus access to Firefox's remoting. This is why Flatpak uses a filtering DBus proxy.

>>108290731
oh i'm sure there are fixes, i just don't care enough to implement them.
point being that there are always ways for sandboxes to be escaped.

>>108290723
Then bubblewrap is shit.
If you start an app in a network namepsace, all child processes will reside in the same network namepspace, and if said network namespace has no route to the internet a started firefox would not be able to do shit (besides eating all your ram)

>>108290737
Yes. A quick/easy fix would be to use a dedicated /run and only mount necessary sockets needed for the GUI.

The problem is your invocation of the sandbox, not the sandbox tool itself.

>>108290740
It's not Bubblewrap it's the way they're using it.

>>108290750
Basically in a proper sandbox it should not work at all, period and a new Firefox instance should start in the sandbox with no networking.

The Arch Wiki details the sort of workarounds you need for when you actually want to allow this:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Bubblewrap#Opening_URLs_from_wrapped_applications

>>108290750
that's reassuring

>>108290467
Thank you. I will be checking out SELinux and apparmor. I was not aware these existed.

>>108290757
a sandbox is about not being able to do shit outside of it from within, from outside you can obviously fuck it up.

>>108290704
>>108290713
Is there anything that can just run the app as normal and just give me a heads up in the form of a popup like those network firewalls when an app is trying to connect to an xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IP? Even if an app does try to update, I don't mind if it does, but I at least want to know about it instead of it being done in the background without me being aware.

>>108290770
Yes, you can definitely fuck it up like they did. That's the problem with a powerful tool like Bubblewrap, it allows you to poke all the holes in the world if you want.

>>108290766
they probably are not going to help you for your specific usecase until you write your own policies, which is not something you can easily do

>>108290776
https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch

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>>108290776
honest advice: get out of your windows mindset

>>108290462
>ending up with a compromised app from a hacked source like some of the recent Linux malware scares.
if you're talking about the xz thing which was recently brought back from the dead because some youtuber covered it, detecting temporary executables won't help with that
certain supply-chain attacks are pretty much out of your hands. about the only way to protect from stuff like that is to treat everything as malware (exhausting and a deep rabbit hole) and keep regular incremental backups (which you should anyway for many reasons)

fact is that even just installing software from trustworthy sources is enough in nearly all cases, which is much easier to do in linux because that is the default behaviour

>>108290776
opensnitch
also note that programs don't update themselves in linux with few exceptions such as steam and discord (as they're installed in the home directory)

>>108290811
be gentle, i remember first trying linux and it was quite the culture shock. it's extremely easy to make assumptions if you've only ever used windows, like looking for software to download from websites. first time i tried linux i used it for some weeks just using the built-in software because that first install i never even discovered the package manager. you don't know what you don't know and all that

software in linux is installed and updated through a centralised system with cryptographically-signed packages (in any distro worth using), so you can be sure that at the absolute least the people making the packages for your distro have checked out the software you're using, and what you're getting is cryptographically guaranteed to be what left their computer (signing protects against things like compromised mirrors, MITM modification, etc).
but you can't expect someone initially looking into linux to know this, you have to explain it to them

>>108290883
>at the absolute least the people making the packages for your distro have checked out the software you're using
which means very little when there's millions of lines of code. there's some code auditing and behavior checks but it's mostly based on trust.

>>108290883
hence why I brought it up as an honest advice. I've been there and it was weird, but the way to go forward is to accept it's different, not trying to recreate the windows thing you're used to on linux.

>>108290883
>like looking for software to download from websites
So... like cloning Github repos?
You can use Winget and Git on Windows btw.

>>108288044
just fucking use arch
if it helps, i was at that exact stage about 2 years ago. haven't looked back since discovering the beauty of arch.

>>108289044
It's very difficult to see what this is. Might be some indicators which are improperly displayed due to some styling-related GNOME Extension you have. Might be your desktop icons if you have an extension for that. Start by disabling all extensions and enabling them one by one and see which one causes it to appear, assuming it goes away with extensions disabled.

>>108290290
>PopOS
Don't. It's shit. And you'll see how shit it is when LTT publishes a "switching to Linux" video in a month.

>>108290703
>why there's so much opposition to Systemd?
There isn't. There's just a couple hundred loud morons who hate standardization and software that goes over 100k LoC.

>>108288044
>>108290930
>2. Updates that don't easily break
also updates won't break as long as you steer clear of the AUR. just don't use it. you've never forced to use it.

>>108288044
>1. A rolling release distro
>2. Updates that don't easily break
>3. Not read only root
>4. Automatic updates
Just use an Atomic distro. The read only root won't affect you since you can always make overrides. If you're too lazy to learn how to use an Atomic distro then openSUSE with transactional updates is your only real option.

>>108290898
sure, at the end of the day your only options are to choose who to trust, or trust nothing. trusting nothing is impractical for most purposes so you're going to have to trust someone
>>108290911
a good write up for this is;
https://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
the tl;dr is that you're better off treating linux like you've never used a computer before, because windows knowledge will only get in your way
>>108290915
i'm saying you /don't/ typically install software from websites, you install them from your distro's repos. you of course /can/ install software from websites as well on linux, but in that case you need to work out yourself if you trust it and to verify any signatures they provide yourself if they provide them

>>108290966
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>>108290782
I'm not looking for help on how to do something that there isn't a dedicated app/service for. I'm just wondering what exist in Linux since I'm about to leave Windows for Linux due to all the AI slop. I wasn't aware those linux firewallls existed, but now I do thanks to this thread, so I am going to check those out.

>>108290811
This isn't about a Windows or Linux mindset, it's a security mindset. On Windows with a Hips/Network firewall like Comodo, if a rogue browser auto-updated browser plugin or an app that auto-updates to install a compromised package or app and tries to connect to the Internet to exfil or hook and spy on my keypresses when the functionality of the app isn't supposed to do any of that, I at least get alerted and have a heads up that something fishy is afoot.

I know Linux is a completely different OS, and X11 and Wayland have their own way fo handling events, and gui toolkits their own message loops, and hook systems that is nothing like Windows, so that's why I am asking to see what solutions are out there for those who care about security and actually have something to lose.

Those npm supply chain and recent linux attacks made me kind of paranoid as this is all something I could stop on Windows with Comodo Firewall if it were to happen to me, given that the malware doesn't have some 0-day exploit that specifically targets Comodo firewall.

I am just looking to see what cool security solutions are out there on Linux as I make it my new daily driver/home os soon.

>>108291012
>it's a security mindset
Nigger if you're worried about security you shouldn't be using Linux on desktop anyway. And if you really do want to use Linux then Secureblue is the only distro which is somewhat serious about the security of the Linux desktop. What you also need to do is only use Flatpak for your software since anything else would require extreme manual tinkering to get to the same level of security.

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>>108290883
This. I've only tried a live cd at the moment as I test that my hardware is going to work find and I back up all my data to make the transfer, and it's a bit intimidating having to learn new commands for command line, a new file system structure, and a whole different ecosystem.

I asked similar questions in a Linux discord server and was only met with hostility, being told to google (as if I didn't already do that first), accusations of spoon feeding, told that Linux has little to no malware, so I shouldn't worry about having the option of being able to control what apps on my OS are doing, etc.

It's kind of a culture shock to be honest, but I'm not going to let it dissuade me from making the jump to Linux from Windows 11.

>>108291034
Not all of us are autistic like you. Please keep your autistic sperging to a minimum on these threads. Thank you.

>>108291012
>This isn't about a Windows or Linux mindset, it's a security mindset.
No, it is a I know this security thing from windows and want to do it on linux mindset. And for linux users, what you want there is like totally alien, as they just get their software from official repos (as in not untrusted sources) and don't worry about that. And while there is a rest risk, eliminating that rest risk is just not feasible, as it requires writing your own SELinux policies or something, which isn't easy even for experienced linux users.
Security on linux is handled differently as the threat model is not the same as on windows.

>recent linux attacks
I still don't know what the fuck you're even referencing with that

>>108291077
>anon wants a secure Linux
>Secureblue is somehow "autism" despite just being a secured Fedora
Take meds. I bet you think GrapheneOS is autism too.

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>>108284522
sorry, i have not worded my post very well
i want to make my old compute dual boot, not the flash drive! haha
so i only sneed a linux installer on the flash drive, not two installers at once
I already have windows XP installed on this beast

>>108291361
Then if you want to flash a Linux distro to a USB you could use any DE-included flasher or use dd.

>>108291034
>And if you really do want to use Linux then Secureblue is the only distro which is somewhat serious about the security of the Linux desktop
That would be Qubes. If you're a security schizo that isn't running all of their applications on top of a hypervisor inside of dedicated VM's (yes, entire virtual machines, not containers) then you're not schizo enough to be worrying about security yet.

>>108291467
Qubes is not Linux. It's a VM manager. And it's not as usable as Secureblue is. This is like telling a person to use Qubes on a smartphone instead of GrapheneOS or iOS in lockdown mode.

>>108291504
Qubes is Linux. It's built on top of the Xen hypervisor part of the Linux kernel (an alternative to KVM).
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=qubes

>>108291514
This by the way, is exactly the sort of thing that would protect you from supply chain attacks like Xz. With SecureBlue if they got hit with such an issue then you're toast. If you're using isolated VMs inside of Qubes then only the particular VMs with a template that includes the compromised software are fucked, your other isolated VMs are still fine.

Really though, I wouldn't worry about any of this at all and just use a normal distro. It's not worth it. Hardened distros usually come with a bunch of trade-offs. Maybe if you're an important person, or drug dealer, etc, then caring about supply chain attacks is something you should worry about but for most people it's not a concern. Just defer your updates a bit so if something bad happens you know about it beforehand.

>>108291543
>If you're using isolated VMs inside of Qubes then only the particular VMs with a template that includes the compromised software are fucked, your other isolated VMs are still fine.
The problem is the xz issue would have affected all distros and an attacker would still have access to all your VMs.

>>108291548
Depends if you updated the "dom0" at all:
https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/latest/user/advanced-topics/how-to-install-software-in-dom0.html

In most cases you wouldn't do that.