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>>108423989
Thinking about getting a T14 are the AMD T14g2 thinkpads better than the intel ones and how's the screen on the gen 2s? Also what is the slit thing in pic, thanks :)

Any ThinkPads with a powerful GPU for working in Blender while I'm away from my desktop?

Guys, I snapped off the left click button cap from above the trackpad on my T430s. How do I put it back? The top tabs don't want to get in place.

>>108424031
That's the smart card reader. Sorta like a credit card, but not for money.

What's the best thinkpad for portable content creation for a game like minecraft or old retro ps2 and under? I do some let's plays and showcases and shit.

My current T470 is getting old and worn down.

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>>108423989
i paid $250 for this and it came in mint condition why does anyone suggest the T series when these are so cheap and modern E series has more parts to swap out lol

>>108424031
AMD has better CPU (even the R3 narrowly beats the i7), Intel has better iGPU
Screens are all over the place but at least TN wasn't an option anymore

>>108424150
See >>108424031, this is the last gen with a keyboard that feels like the T470's

any 14" 1920x1200 laptops with an sd card slot preferavly full-sized and also an ethernet port or alternatively is there a site where I can easily look through all the thinkpads ever made

>>108424254
Nothing under the brand afaik. They removed the slot from everything under 16" at the same time that they reintroduced 8:5 screens.

>>108424309
That sucks I really like this form factor, thanks anyway Anon

Alright, does anyone know how to deal with DELL Precision 7540's loud as fuck fans?
Turns out temperatures are pretty alright and fans do a great cool at cooling, at least if I raise the back, but they loud and have annoying sound. They even spin up during light load and despite using that power manager to set a Quiet profile.
Would buying a cooling pad with fans help?

>>108424606
try disabling turbo boost and maybe liquid metal if you don't have an aluminium heatsink

>>108424623
>try disabling turbo boost
I think I disabled it by lowering the max CPU power in power settings, but the fans can spin up even in desktop if something works in background.
I can't open up the laptop because it's on warranty and considering the decent temperatures, the repair folks did a decent job preparing it for work.

>>108424717
Just do it the proper way it's worth it. My main laptop croaked and I'm stuck with a T400 and the difference was night and day when I disabled it properly the 99% thing didn't do shit and going down all the way to 50% didn't fix the heat and it made it run even worse now the fans barely ever come up and they turn off after a minute or two. It takes like 2 minutes to add the option back just give it a try there's no drawbacks. There's also "Notebook Fan Control" if you want to mess around with youe fans manually it sometimes gets a falseflagged by Windows Defender due to WinRing0x64 if you got an Intel CPU you can try undervolting it that doesn't require you opening it with ryzen CPUs there's ryzen controller that might help you out too

Buying a T470 tomorrow. It has a little crack/hole on the body so it's only €70.
>16GB RAM
>i5-6300
>256GB SSD
>1080p non-touch IPS

>>108424254
The newest upcoming T14 has all of that... if you can ignore the copilot key.

Neo.

>>108424254
HP EliteBooks have all that.

>>108424254
>14" 1920x1200
>SD Card Reader
T series is out since they only featured card readers until T14 Gen 2 but only adopted 16:10 with the Gen 3.
>>108425135
Are you sure about that? I can't find any info on an SD Card Reader.

>>108425135
copilot key and the price tag of a new laptop too
>>108425135
>>108425378
>I can't find any info on an SD Card Reader
me neither just says nano-SIM and smart card readers
>>108425236
I'll look these over if there's anything I like and if not I'll probably just get a gen 3 T14 I don't need an SD card reader that much my desktop has one but it's always a nice thing to have I can't think of a single logical reason why they stopped putting them in they take up next to no space

>>108415825
I'll post updates when it comes on friday

compatibility for wacom active pen (AES 1.0 and 2.0) seems to be shitty all around, "compatible" pens meant for one brand of tablets can be wobbly on another brand, I'm hoping all the years old youtube reviews are just complaining about launch day bugs

>>108425771
or wait nvm, most of those complaints are for people dealing with microsoft surface stuff (MPP) which has a really sparse digitizer grid that results in wobbly diagonal lines, I don't see people complaining about wacom AES anywhere near as much in this regard.

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I can't decide whether I want to sell my collection of late-2000s used thinkpads that I don't use anymore or whether I should hoard them in case x86 PCs become insanely expensive in the future, how long does it take for the rubberized coating to turn nasty and gooey?
I'm sure the batteries on all of them have dried up by now either way.

>>108426183
>>108425771
I found this artist reviewing their much older thinkpad yoga 370 with a bamboo ink pen and it works pretty well for them on Fedora so you should be fine drawing on linux with any thinkpad yoga model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIJ0yYDOHrw

I don't need a laptop that much but theyvjust look so cool and I crave the thinkpad keyboard. Is 279 USD an ok price for a T490?

>>108427812
too high. you're probably able to find a t14 at that range

>>108427812
>279 USD an ok price for a T490
fuck no, you can get T14 G2 for that price and T480 for half of that price. T490 is the awkward unloved middle child. Get T480/T470 for modern classic thinkpad experience or T14 G1-G2 for somewhat modern CPU

>>108424822
>"Notebook Fan Control"
Used one of default DELL settings
Turns out fans get really loud at about 45%, it seems also to be a case with other fan control program, in which setting it to Medium turns fans into jet engines too.
Disabling Turbo works somewhat, but temperature creeps up after a while, which is going to force higher fan speed, resulting in noise anyway.
Not to mention disabling Turbo turns it's CPU into just barely stronger version of the one in my 10-year old budget laptop, laughable.
Provided the max fans speed, laptop is pretty damn strong. I could try getting a cooling pad, but I'm not sure how much it will help.

Does a Type 40AJ dock fit a T470? Where can I find out more which dock fits which laptop?

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>>108426219
Dunno, I'd just list them at inflated prices and wait for retro gaming söys to throw cash at you.

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Praise the T440P plebs! Got this fat bitch for 73 dollars in 2017. Swapped trackpads with T450, upgraded screen, upgraded CPU to i7 4/8. Had a custom Arch tilling install for most its life, recently got kernel panic after a year without update. Loaded void and treating it as a 'offline' chan and game base. Starting with fallout and SW:EAW. Sorry, basically, this is a Thinkpad thread and you are gay.

>>108428547
>Void works when Arch fails
many such cases

>>108425120
Keyboard didn't work. Told the guy I'd give him €40 for it. He said he'll try and fix it.

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>>108428692
Honestly, would try to get a T440p or either go for an older, more iconic model. 440p can still swap CPU but has the more 'slightly' modern design. Best of both worlds IMO. You can still find x61 and x200/210/220 for decent prices if you want the legacy thinkpad experience.

>>108428716
I already have a T430 and X230, I want a T470+ specifically because of the USB3 and Thunderbolt port.

>>108428763
Make sure to check if the TB works. T470/480 models are notorious for having bad firmware at first that fried the controller.

>>108428809
The dude said he reinstalled the keyboard drivers and now it works. I still wanna take off €10-15 off the price for making me go back and forth and because it has a broken charger. It's a touch screen, though, which I don't like. But apparently on the T470 the touch screens are IPS with best contrast. On the plus side it has the 7th generation i5-7200u, 16gb RAM and 500gb ssd. The price is also attractive, €60.

I found some other T470 laptops on sale, but they're all in the €120-150 range, with working charger of course.

I'll bite the bullet and get it. The other day I spent €50 on drugs on a drunken night out and have nothing to show for it.

>>108428809
>Make sure to check if the TB works.
I assume it does, because the guy has a USB-C charger for it, not the Lenovo slim one.

>>108428932
>>108428934
Bit the bullet. I'm surprised how light it is. Found another T470 being sold for €45 with a non-working screen and without batteries, but with charger and body in great condition. Looks like I'll end up spending €100 anyway, but I'll get a nice T470 + spare parts.

>>108428169
Got a noise meter app and here is what I saw:
Low generates up to 30 dB
Medium does 50 dB
High... 55
I'm pretty sure if medium setting made like 40 dB, then nobody would even complain about noise.
Also, while undervolting is rather impossible without serious BIOS fuckery, I can easily limit the amount of power CPU gets in general and also shorten the time period of boosting. It does underpower CPU by a decent deal, but it should be enough for games.

>>108429219
>It does underpower CPU by a decent deal
just disable the boost REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE why would you lower the cpu usage before trying this

>>108424606

Hi friend, Precision 7560 here. Same thing but with an 11th gen chip instead of 9th. Both very capable machines.

In BIOS there is a fan setting that controls how fast and loud the fans spin up, I can't remember what it's called but that's where it is, I believe it's Thermal Profile.

Disabling Turbo Boost will also help with thermals. I have mine on a big cooler but it gets even louder than the laptop does but I don't care. I have the 6-core Xeon 11855-w and RTX A4000 8gb so it likes to heat up and I use this for main frontline production so it has to work. I've done this dance a few times. Fucking wild I can have a Xeon chip and not in an xboxhueg server or workstation, I love it.

>>108428169

What fan software are you using? I'd like to spool mine all the way up when gaming on it. The cooler makes a big difference get one of the ones with a foam seal around the side, I have the IETS model that is sold under a bunch of different names on Amazon. It does make a huge difference and on super old stuff it got my HP DV6 test environment down a full 20*C I couldn't believe it. The foam one can get noisy though but it will absolutely cure your thermal issue.

Turbo Boost is made for quick applications not extended use, it's made to open applications quicker and do quick short tasks that utilize the thermal run-up envelope so the task is done before the processor has a chance to heat up to thermal cutoff.

Also, pop the bottom off, if you're brave, and give it the Liquid Metal treatment and be sure to replace the pads too on the VRMs for both processor and GPU. It's fairly easy to get to. If your SSD is getting hot, move it to one of the other NVME slots that utilize the magnesium bottom as a giant heatspreader. My 4gb Acer Predator drive went from flirting with thermal cutoff to maximum 48*C on heavy usage.

The 75xx series is a very robust workstation laptop, I love mine. Very underrated. You've got a solid performer there.

>>108429659
>Disabling Turbo Boost will also help with thermals.
I want to keep it on somewhat to handle sudden spikes for CPU. I used throttlestop to make it work time shorter and to generally underpower the CPU. Further testing is needed.

>>108429659
>What fan software are you using?
I think I downloaded some little-known one that I found on Reddit and I can't seem to find it again(browsed in incognito mode)... If you happen to find one with "poorly drawn fan" png in folder, that's the one. I hope it's not a virus.
Otherwise, try this
https://github.com/AaronKelley/DellFanCmd/releases

>Also, pop the bottom off, if you're brave, and give it the Liquid Metal treatment
It got a year of warranty, so I'm not messing with that for now. For now I will try using a cooling pad as less noisy alternative.

>>108429259
I get occasional stutters without boost.
Currently it could sit at 3GHz during Throttlestop benchmark without spinning the fans up to medium, so little noise.

>>108424150
Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Gen 2

300$ ish


ProcessorIntel Core i7-1185G7 4c/8t 4 x 3 - 4.8 GHz, 64 W PL2 / Short Burst, 35 W PL1 / Sustained, Tiger Lake-UP3
Graphics adapterNVIDIA T500 Laptop GPU - 4 GB VRAM, Core: 1695 MHz, RAM: 1250 MHz, 25 W TDP, NVIDIA 452.66, Intel Iris Xe Graphics G7 96EUs
Memory32 GB
, dual-channel
Display14.00 inch 16:9, 1920 x 1080 pixel 157 PPI, B140HAN05.7, IPS, glossy: no, 60 Hz
MainboardIntel Tiger Lake-UP3 PCH-LP
StorageToshiba XG6 KXG6AZNV1T02, 1024 GB
, 893 GB free
Weight1.492 kg ( = 52.63 oz / 3.29 pounds), Power Supply: 363 g ( = 12.8 oz / 0.8 pounds)

>>108430198

The cooling pad will make a big difference and I like the white noise it helps me sleep.

That didn't work on mine for some reason, but I would like to try it on some other Dell equipment I have, thanks. I'm not really having any thermal issues but it would be nice to pre-load the fans before opening up a game.

>>108428331
40AJ is for T480 through T14 gen 2
for T440-T470 see 40A2

>>108430198
I was thinking through it more and I wonder if shouldn't just downgrade.
I was going on acer aspire E5 575G with 2GB 940MX for years at this point. I was never bothered by things like overheating because power draw want great enough to cause that. The boost gives like 200MHz, so there wasn't any serious spike in temperature. The way just one HDD failure and replaced a fan and battery for cheap. It works perfectly fine.
I just need a replacement laptop on case this one dies somehow and I can look for actual performant desktop at leisure.

So... What cheap laptop has like 4GB of vram and does not turn into jet engine under load?

>>108432442
what's "cheap"

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I stripped the screw that holds down the WAN card on my X230, went full retard, and drilled a hole through the entire screw/thread so I could take apart the system. I fashioned an adapter of sorts to hold it down, but I think it might be causing higher temps.

Temps are around mid-40's to 50 C on idle (on average when I've checked htop). Feels pretty hot on my lap when all I'm doing is shitposting. What temps should I expect? Should my system configuration make all that much a difference? I'm running Debian 13 with KDE Plasma (Wayland).

>>108424051
Post a picture of the mechanism.

>>108434205
don't look like u drilled thru anything important though so i doubt that's spiking your temps in particular.

>>108423989
what's the successor of T480?
I heard lenovo discontinuing Txxx series

>>108434429
>what's the successor of T480?
Having a second T480.

>>108434414
That's not my picture, I just used it because I was too lazy to disassemble my ThinkPad to take a picture of it.

The only thing component I could have damaged would have been the WAN card itself, or the motherboard had I shorted something with the flakes of metal that came off the screw. I did screw partway through the magnesium chassis however.

My concern is whether or not using the plastic adapter I fashioned is a good idea. I might either swap out the system entirely into another chassis, or use a USB wifi dongle instead.

>>108434457
take out the plastic thingy then and see if anything improves

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Should I go for a T14 or T480?
Want something light with decent screen and cpu to carry to and from work for basic use, no gaming.

>>108434505
whichever is cheaper

>>108434429
I thought they moved to doing the apple thing where their naming scheme for T thinkpads is now T14 Gen 5, Gen 6, etc etc.

>>108434429
T14 G2

Can someone enlighten me on the T480(s) and X280?

Standard T480 seems to be the only non-gimped model, considering that it has an ethernet port, full-sized SD card slot, dual-bridge battery system, a full-sized 2.5" SATA SSD slot, and non-soldered RAM.

I vaguely remember reading that the T480s has superior build quality. It also has a 1920x2080 and higher display.

The X280, I like because of its form factor, but it's missing pretty much everything I've listed for the T480. How's the build quality on it; is it good at least?

Ethernet port and SD slot I *might* be able to make do without, but the absence of a full-sized SATA slot is somewhat of an issue, considering the current market.

>>108434696
>It also has a 1920x2080 and higher display.
The T480 has the same screen options as the T480s, plus an option for a 768p screen (which should be avoided).
No idea about build quality since I only ever had the T480.

>>108434608
>the last model with awful 16:9 panels
why.jpg

>>108434039
I was thinking about 300 bucks for an used laptop, but... turns out there is nothing that would check all my boxes even if raise it by another hundred bucks and then it still shows precision is vastly more powerful.
I mean, there is a ThinkPad T14 Gen 2I with MX450 that should be able to run Vintage Story on medium settings and do some rendering if I ever get to it, but it's 16GB RAM instead of 32 and it's still for over half the price... Not to mention I don't know how much noise it will make.
It just feels that compared to Precision, it should cost like 1/3 max.
And if I manage to run Precision without spinning up the fans, I might as well just keep it.

>>108434505
>no gaming
Pretty much anything will do, just make sure you got 16GB RAM in dual channel.

The great Thinkpad question for the ages is...
Trackpoint - good feature or retarded and useless?

I always leaned towards retarded and useless, but I tried using it a bit lately and i am starting to think it is only MOSTLY retarded and useless. Best usecase for me is lying in bed using the middle button + trackpoint to scroll. What you boiz reckon?

Also, do we all switch the ctrl and fn keys in the BIOS on older ones? Why did they did that? Retarded idea.

>>108435831
i've relied on it more and more over the last few months when i realized i could use my computer without my fingers straining from repeated gesturing and now i don't think i'd ever consider a laptop without the nipplenub moving forward

>>108435812
...
Well there is HP PROBOOK 440 G8 I5-1135G7 16GB 256GB SSD NVME GEFORCE MX450 FHD for 239 dollars (so less than third of Precision)... If I were to see it at beginning of the debacle with the knowledge about the noise then maybe I would take it and just put in more SSD.
But it's fucking HP, I don't trust them.

>>108435831
I use a mouse instead but I still use the trackpad buttons all the time

>>108435831
Strictly inferior to a good haptic trackpad. The physical buttons are comfy though.

>>108435712
also the last model before a keyboard regression

>>108435831
I use only the trackpoint with disabled touchpad for years now

>>108435812
i got a refurb p14s gen2amd for 280€ on eBay couple weeks ago. if you're bin Europe, from AfB

I need a Laptop to replace my office computer. I currently have 32GB ram, ryzen 5600g. The replacement should definitely be better.

Also: Very quiet, or non existent fans are important. I dont hear my office pc during normal work since the cooling is pretty good. I have an older T440p and its fans (especially the constant on/off) are driving me crazy

Budget around 1k - 1.5k

>>108437167
T14 gen 5-6 are okay, top cpus are about 10%-20% better than your desktop and they take up to 64GB
>Very quiet, or non existent fans
You are not getting this in any x86 laptop together with the performance you want, but you can tweak it so the fan always runs with at least minimum speed instead of noisily spinning up, or you can use power saving mode to limit the cpu to a wattage that doesn't need active cooling.

>>108436995
Not much of that over here, but if anything, I would risk getting that T14 or even cheaper HP probook if only for shit and giggles and learning actual IT stuff without worrying about losing data.


Anyway. Back to that Precision
Managed to keep it at 80C when playing Vintage Story on High and 512 block view range(you don't get that much on default High) without Bloom and FXAA while at slow fans. That's... promising.
Maybe I will be able to get it lower when I get that cooling pad.
Will also try other games when I get the SSD external case.
It\s at 40C with slow fans when browsing, that's a huge step up as well.

Also getting used to actually using it.

>>108439446
get yourself a universal x86 tuning utility
on a ryzen I bumped tdp but limited max clock so cpu wouldn't overheat the igpu

>>108437167
Macbook M5 Air

>>108429659
>What fan software are you using?
Checked again and actually managed to find it:
https://github.com/Imn0/DellFanControl
Not much is happening around it, so I was kinda worried it could be a virus, but Malwarebytes sees nothing and it works as intended:
1. either leave it on Auto so it spins up greatly when Laptop gets actually hot
2. or set on one speed (Low, naturally) and then you try everything else to keep the temps down.
After launching it shows up at the bottom, in the hidden icons tab.

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>>108423989
I found a x1 carbon 7th gen in the garage while moving some boxes around. I bought it open box, basically brand new and then covid happened which somehow resulted in it not being used at all until a few days ago I started to clena out some clutter.
The battery is completely dead, it even has a warning about replacing the battery when it boots into win10.
I'm thinking that at 15.5V this would be a four cell battery, and that I could bring up the cells to a voltage (2v/cell, 100mA current) where the onboard circuitry would actually charge and balance them, but I'm having trouble finding a pinout. I don't accidental want to send 2V down a pin that was supposed to be a thermistor or something.
Does anyone know if this is even viable?

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>>108423989

>>108440307
now do a macbook

>>108440307
My thinkpad screen is easily scratched by the keyboard tho.

My Laptop (Acer A14-52MT-701K) with cachy installed freezes on the acer logo when trying to enter the bios. I've been trying to install artix for a dual boot but can't get in to change the boot order. I tried using ventoy because thats worked for me in the past when having installation issues, but that didn't work either. I can boot into the OS just fine, its only the bios that seems to have an issue. Any ideas? I was able to enter the bios before installing cachy.

>>108441530
Forgot to mention I've tried every way I can think of to enter the bios: mashing f2, selecting firmware through the limine bootloader menu, the systemctl reboot command, all of them result in freezing at the logo and the fans spinning up endlessly until I force shutdown.

>>108439469
Half of the shit is locked via BIOS, so at best I can decrease CPU tdp in Throttlestop and GPU voltage curve in Afterburner and I'm not messsing with stuff I have no experience with on laptop on warranty.

>>108441645
https://github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF

>>108441650
>Disclaimer
>I'm not responsible for any damage resulting from the use of this tool. Also, this is a backup of the original project;

>USE AT YOUR OWN RISK

As I said, I'm not messing with that.

>>108440098
>the onboard circuitry would actually charge and balance them
Unlikely. Most of them brick themselves permanently if they drop below a cutoff (between 2.1-2.7 V per cell in the ones I've seen)

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>>108442840
fug. I was hoping that it was just a dumb bms circuitry to the cells and maybe a thermistor.
I haven't had time to take the back off and probe, but I'll get around to it to see if I see any voltage anywhere.
I presume that if I can at least get two cells to 4V the bms will handle the rest. Or, just dumbfuckery and stick 12V at a low amperage across the two end terminals with a handy pie dish to contain the inevitable fire.

>>108441645
tdp and voltage curve is all you need.
limiting CPU frequency and tuning boost settings can be done through power manager in windows

>>108424031
Don't buy g2.
G3 has 16:10 screen.

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This general should be rebranded /lpg/ - Laptop General.

Why? Thinkpad has not been the best since loooong time ago, even by the time of Luke Smith's first Thinkpad video.
You shouldn't base your laptop choice by having 7-row keyboards where modern laptops are 20x more powerful and can get people with real jobs done.
You shouldn't be buying T480 because it has swappable battery, while modern processors are much more efficient. While you might be getting through with 4 cores, you shouldn't be buying machines with that in 2026.
Forget Libreboot. It might have served a point, but it's not affecting your computing experience ever.
Yes looks do matter, but laptop designs are more or less the same everywhere. Don't buy things because you worship the brand. There are other brands that offer better processors, even dGPU if you need some gaming. Buy machines that can last a decade, and Thinkpads isn't always the solution.
Move on anon. Thinkpads are no more.

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>>108444677
I'm not reading all that but man, that's crazy bro. Cool!

>>108444677
shut up, i like my neverending steady stream of enterprise laptops getting junked because corporate environments cycle through their entire IT asset inventory every 3 years

>>108423989
On my T480 I'm on DWL, and the trackpoint moves the curser *really* slowly.
Even when I echo 255 to the sensitivity and speed virtual files, it's very slow compared to my other T480 with another WM.
Anybody have any ideas? I couldn't work out how to configure the trackpoint sensivity in DWL's config.h, the regular accel_factor variable doesn't seem to affect it.

>>108444677
i like my p14s g2a

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Did me do good?

I know the t480 is superior but im coming from a 1st gen x1 carbon so anything will be an upgrade. t490 seems like a relatively solid choice as far as im aware and t480s are literally twice the price due to the meme.

>>108445476
i5-8265u is pretty shitty, they usually come with i5-8350u.
also KEK i didnt even know you could get 1GB DDR4
If it wasn't for that I think it would have been a good deal

>>108445476
using win11 with 1gb ram is insane

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>>108445538
Thats a typo. its 12GB lol. 8GB is soldered in so its never gonna be less than that.

To be honest i mostly just use it as a terminal for my desktops using apollo/moonlight so hardware outside of being useable isnt really that important. Also thinking about maybe delving in to linux and putting mint on there.

>>108445572
Ok lol, I think its a reasonably good deal then.
how does moonlight work for you? do you use it to play vidya or as a remote desktop sort of thing?

>>108445628
I use it for both. I also run a jellyfin server with a fair amount of docker shit on there so its good to have a laptop i can take on the go and still access both the server and my gaming pc.

I am thinking of getting a beefy relatively gpu in the server so i can get my friends to tune in via moonlight to the server and play multiplayer co-op shit from their smart tv/whatever while i use the gaming pc. Moonlight is great for casual controller style gaming if you have a high bandwidth wired connection for the server-side pc. I imagine with mouse/keyboard in competitive games its noticeable but in my experience the input lag is basically inpercievable on a controller. Its like having your desktop with you everywhere and all the hardware it comes with.

Thinkpad, better known as hackintosh machines

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>>108445476
>1GB ram

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>>108423989
are these real?

>>108446111
>"Genuine OEM"
>8 years after production ended
>sold by batte68
Might be, but I wouldn't put money on it

>>108446111
If you can feel em, they're real.

>>108444677

Fuck off I love my T60p

I have newer shit, my Xeon 11th-gen with RTX A4000 slaps most of the hardware here like it owes me money. I still love my T60p, kick rocks.

>>108444677
Who the fuck cares about CPU performance on a portable SSH/RDP client.

>>108444677
on the other hand, laptops are so shitty and overpriced is general that only other non-Thinkpad laptop threads that are up are Macbook ragebait.

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>>108423989
hey, dumbass here, need bare minimum to run solidworks and maybe wart hunter. P50-53?? Older the better. aesthetics really get me

>>108445476
>1GB RAM
wat

>>108449102
>>108445917
see >>108445572

>>108434205
my X220 is around 50-60 C

>>108446111
Generally if it says it's new, it's fake. In these listings you can even see the purposely butchered Lenovo logo in the thumbnails. OEM batteries for these went out of production 4-5 years ago.

i got a t420 some time ago and i;ve gone thru four keyboards so far-- two genuine and two aftermarket-- and all of them had dead trackpoints. first 2 had obviously aged over time while the other two i can't fully diagnose for sure, but either way, at what point do i consider motherboard failure instead of shoddy components

>>108447822
Laptops are still the most versatile and productive form of PC for most people, including students. For most people, it even invalidates the need to buy a desktop. And most of us here on /tpg/ doesn't seem to be geared for laptop gaming.

>>108450734
I'd say it's time to get a T430

do people actually buy these? i just steal all of mine from work

>>108450734
Why do you hold onto the T420? Is it the keyboard? The weight?
Because everything else about the T450-T480 is better.

page 10 bump!!!

my thinkpad X290 yoga can't come soon enough!!!!

>>108454542
*X390 yoga

>"Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, Ryzen 5 5650U, 16gb ddr4, AMD Radeon, 512GB SSD, 2021"
>$271 after shipping/tax
Cop or drop? How modifiable is this?

>>108454708
I think you should be able to figure it out.

>>108454728
Hello Anon! Which of these responses do you prefer:

>A: "No faggot do the work for me"
>B: "No I am retarded please do the work for me"

Please make your selection now.

>>108454708
>Cop or drop?
Depends on your budget, your alternative options, and how badly you want this particular model.
>How modifiable is this?
See notebookcheck.net and Lenovo's own website.

>>108423989
I don't feel like starting a thread. Is this the best hardware to buy in order to run tails with tx0r? I need something extremely unpozzed. Best source for used? It can be a toaster, will only run one thing.

>>108453013
i already have a t480. was curious enough about the seven-row to try it out since i saw a listing for $30, and honestly, the thinklight is the bigger draw for me on this machine. but the keyboard truly is nice; reminds me of my first laptop, a sony vaio straight outta the 90s.

anywho, if no options truly are available, i guess i can cope with a mouse in the meantime. thing's mainly my distrohopping/old windows testbed anyway

>>108456781
Please anyone answer I need the holy trinity (madusa, caroline, lucy)

>>108456781
Look up for boards supporting Dashoro/coreboot/libreboot. There are also some desktop/server boards nowadays.
Otherwise if you have low performance requirements, choose and open hardware SBC

What do we think about the T430?

>>108456781
Odroid C4/C5
Schematics, Firmware, CAD files
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-c4/odroid-c4
https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-c5/odroid-c5

Costs like 50-60 yuros

do thinkpads not clamshell by default on windows or is something software-related outdated, like maybe thinkvantage or something? fedora at least switches to the external monitor when i shut the lid, but earlier today at work i had to dig into power options for the lid to do nothing so it doesn't sleep

>>108459236
Disabling suspend on lid close is easy on systemd linux distros but I couldn't begin to grapple with how to do it on winblows, sorry

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>>108448374
boomping

I think I'm probably going with the P53 for single core performance? I really do like the P50 looks however. Hoping someone who does cadcam/simcad here can give me some input. GPU is really only used a little for viewport and I'm not doing textures or large assemblies. Just machine parts that are usually maybe 25 parts max in an assembly.

>>108454542
>>108454593
You're going to be very pleased with it. What device are you retiring?

any one have a x210ai? is a meme or is it ok, been looking at it as my backup testing laptop

>>108423989
>tfw using an x13 gen 1 with x395 monitor
it's a weird frankenpad but it does its job so well. it's also running 4650u so I'm sure the insides are x13 g1

pumb

>>108458388
>>108458790
Thanks securesec lads

>>108458388
>>108458790
This is just for tails and a browser. The site uses minimum resources. It's only for an extremely secure environment.
>A toaster will work for this

>>108459236
>>108460368
That's going to be in power settings (don't just pick a profile). Search bar -> "power"

>>108460636
>>108448374
Used to daily a P50: great machine, very reliable, built like a tank, numpad and keyboard were really nice.
But I moved to an ultraportable with external monitors, because the weight and size were just too much for me.
Also I think some Anon here swapped a 16 inch panel into one, just make sure you have the appropriate eDP connector on your Motherboard.
Maybe even consider getting a P70-73 if you like big heavy workstations.

I only get around 5 hours of battery life on T14 G2A with linux, battery capacity is 88%. Is this normal?

>>108465209
what are u doing on it

>>108423989
Which brand/series lets you mess with voltage and frequencies?

>>108465386
browser, photoshop, inkscape, mpv, thunderbird and such. just regular basic tasks

thoughts on the X220 and X230? thinking about picking one up as a fixer upper project

>>108465209
x86 laptops always have had mediocre battery life.
Intel Lunar Lake chip finally breaks the status quo but it's too new.

So does no one rock T14 gen 5-6 here or y'all broke?

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>>108464952
i found a p50 with a bilingual english-hebrew keyboard and im salivating over the shitposting capabilities it may bring me.

however these P70s are pretty friggin neat too, thank you for that didn't realize i could get almost a big boy quadro in a laptop-ish form factor. "portability" for me means sticking it in a ruck so no real laptop can be "too big" for me. thank you based anon

I already ordered a macbook pro m5 pro last week but in the mean time I put fedora workstation on my old latitude 5480 and now I'm starting to doubt my 2200 dollar decision.

Are there any 14 inch thinkpads under 2200 dollars that'll comfortably run 3840x1600 displays at 120hz?

>>108462156
maybe retire isnt the right word, the laptop I'm replacing is a corebooted chromebook, celeron n4020, 4gb ram, 32gb emmc, I probably won't retire it because it's like 12" and x86 and has a 10 hour battery life despite being slow as balls for anything but terminal usage and 4chan.

>>108466347
Actually I've bought one today.

>>108425188
Vagina

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>>108466347
I do.
I'm playing RE9 on it right now.

>>108465941
last good X series

>>108466347
I refuse to pay more than 300 bucks for a laptop

>>108469678
This anon gets it. The trick is to buy them below market value from suckers and resell them with profit once it's time to clean them.

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>>108466701
surprised the latitude is capable of this

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>>108424606
I've got the Precision 7530 w/ Nvidia P2000, which has the same chassis as the 7540. Yep, these fans are REALLY fucking loud out-of-the-box, especially compared to its predecessor, the 7520. I legit thought it was a faulty fan, but my brother got the same model and it has the same problem.

Granted, I think its because Coffee Lake and its refreshes will intentionally overclock itself to the highest temperature possible (98 - 100 deg. celsius), to complete a task ASAP. Our fans ramp-up agressively to manage the heat, also our chassis are smaller.

Cooling pads don't really help here, just keep the laptop elevated when under heavy workloads. Undervolting the CPU is very effective for heat management, and I've got a >25% perf. boost under constant full load w/ Throttlestop. You just need to unlock undervolting by doing a "Factory Reset" in the BIOS.

Just be sure to make a separate "Undervolt" and "No Undervolt" profiles, set the "Undervolt" one for AC Power and the "No Undervolt" for battery.

If you undervolt on battery power, there is a good chance your system will crash (no biggie, Throttlestop will deactivate the undervolt on the next boot).

>>108444677
Yeah, no.
This general isn't for just for "laptops", but for laptops that are built to last, upgradable, etc, while being dirt cheap.

That's why you see Dell (Precision, Lattitude) and HP (Elitebook) here as well.

>>108441567
I think it may be the EFI boot entries being fucked? Have you tried temporarily removing the storage (HDD or NVME) with Linux installed? Or any other storage device, really.

It could also mean its stuck reading boot entries from other slow devices like your SD card or flash drives, try removing those too.

>>108434696
Bumping with a followup question; has anyone used Kingsener batteries for the X280/T480? How did they fare?

I do not care for the keyboard on the T470. When do they get better again?

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>>108471317
T25 released on the same year

https://ebay.us/m/HS3QtX

How would this be? I have a Asus with a 2070 in it and it chokes on windows 11 at times. I just want to something that'll has a decent wifi signal and I can run my ebay business. I upload lots of pictures.

>>108471646
Sorry my autocorrect butchered that pretty bad.

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>>108471646
this one's got a quad if ur interested

>>108471646
>and it chokes on windows 11 at times
thermal throttling?
Just dust it.

>>108471127
Still does not make it a Thinkpad general.
Also you shouldn't too focused on brand shilling and build quality memes. Laptops have thousands of variants and people have different needs. You are welcome to give your personal insights but not force it on others.

>>108466701
You are doubting your $2200 decision by... spending another $500?

>>108465941
X280 is corebootable and is about to get librebooted in June.

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>>108471127
For example, no one here shills last gen gaming laptops despite them being more powerful and upgradable than the recently affordable T-series, and also more suitable for gaming if you'd want to.

>be mac user
>have to use thinkturd for work
>online radio sounds like from a fucking tin can
You cucks got swindled out of decent speakers for a 5 dollar margin on a 1500 dollar notebook. I cant even think what an absolute loser would buy this garbage for private use

>>108472555
I can cancel the macbook

>decide to do the ultimate test on Precision 7540
>cut down CPU power to 35W and 3.5GHz via throttlestop
>nothing else, not even the fan control program I talked about, so all I would need is to my TS on autostart
>no cooling pad (it's kinda noisy anyway, might return it.)
>go browse internet and put on music on Youtube
>max temp = 74C
>mostly sits at ~45C
>not single pep from fans
>sits at 60-70C when gaming with fans full on and cooling pad on low(not sure if helps)
>noise is actually manageable with headphones on

You know what? I don't think I can do better at this price range. There is new/post-display Lenovo LOQ 15 with RTX 3050 for about hundred bucks cheaper, but I have doubts about cooling and probable shitty build quality, it's apparently similarly noisy, too. Apparently it can't do much with undervolting as well.
Damn, it feels snappy with website load.
Also, 4K screen. Not sure if it makes much difference with Youtube, but that's neat.
I will need to do Windows 10 install in near future and put in at least 1TB SSD.

>>108471646
This is my laptop btw

ASUS ROG Strix G15 G512LV
Screen 15.6 inch, 1920 x 1080 px resolution, IPS, 144Hz, matte, Panda LM156LF-2F01 panel

Processor Intel Comet Lake Core i7-10875H, 8C/16T (i7-10750H option also available)

Video Intel UHD and Nvidia GeForce RTX 2060 6GB (115W, Overclocked, GeForce 451.67), with Optimus

Memory 16 GB DDR4 3200 MHz (2x DIMMs)

Storage 1 TB PCIe SSD in RAID0 (2x 512 GB Intel 660p), 3x M.2 slots, with RAID 0/1 support

Connectivity WiFi 6 (Intel AX201) 2×2 with Bluetooth 5.0, Gigabit LAN (Realtek RTL8168/8111)
Ports 3x USB-A 3.2 gen1, 1x USB-C gen2 with video&data, HDMI 2.0b, LAN, headphone&mic, Kensington Lock

Battery 66 Wh, 230 W power adapter

Size 360 mm or 14.17” (w) x 275 mm or 10.82” (d) x 25.8 mm or 1” (h)
Weight 2.32 kg (5.1 lb), .79 kg (1.74 lbs) power brick and cables, EU version

Extras 4-zone RGB backlit keyboard with NumPad, bottom stereo speakers, no included webcam

>>108472684
I just want the equivalent of a tablet with a hinde, decent battery life and x86 architecture.
Thinkpads fit the bill. gaming laptops are pretty nice but never approach any significant performance due to power limits and thermals despite the prestige silicon in them, without mention piss poor battery life even when muxed to not use the dgpu.

>>108472685
>he actually uses the laptop's speakers.
I bet you use speakerphone in public to listen to music, don't you?

>>108473396
My macbook speakers sound good enough not to bothee with external ones. And earphones damage your ears. I work in the kitchen too sometimes when kids are sleeping.
>I dont care about quality of X, I just replace X with my own external adapter
Massive cope and exactly what you have been accusing of mac users of when all the card readers etc were removed and just usb-c ports left. Except all that bullshit is needed only for business people and their powerpoints whereas a private user needs sound with better quality than a gameboy

>>108474006
bix nood indeed.

>>108473313
anyone?

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>>108423989
Just snagged an E15 Gen 1 16gb/512gb (no dual channel) for $250 usd. Just saw now a T480 16gb/256gb going for $350 usd and feeling buyer's remorse. Did I fuck up going for the E15. Just wanted something to do some light gaming like PCSX2 and CS2, and also coding, including running AVDs. Haven't tested CS2 yet but guessing the E15 can't run that. Though the previous owner said he played gta 4 on it

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X390 yoga arrived yesterday!
Scored for $110 shipped cus listing noted condition C, major damage to case and missing AC adapter and pen stylus.
Most of it was just sticker goop, and a tiny dent on one corner.

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>>108474307
It works, nothing wrong with the display or keys, the battery is still 90% good

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>>108474314
Also pen input is good, any wacom AES tablet pen should work with Lenovo yoga models if you're on the fence.
It also works flawlessly on Linux, you're gonna have to implement your own auto-rotate daemon if you're on an autistic tiling wm with no DE, but it does have an accelerometer.

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>>108474323
no bios lock ^^
thankfully you can disable the GUI bios and go back to text mode

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>>108474327
debian 12 wipes windows in seconds!

>>108474327
Intel aside, this looks like a good deal, congrats dude

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>>108474331
After cleaning up the case with isopropyl, 10/10 would buy C grade again ^^

I'll post again later when I get more used to having a 360 degree folding laptop.
Also I have no clue which internally garaged Thinkpad Pen Pro fits this model as I see 3 differently shaped ones on ebay.

bottom left corner function key is such a dealbreaker

>>108474422
You can swap FN and ctrl in the bios, also you can make F1-F12 the default with special function keys only when using FN, also I think there's a FN lock if you press FN and Esc, never tried this feature tho.

>>108472685
Enjoy your closed source slopware prison

>>108474327
inb4 some tard tells you 8GB RAM is unusable because they aren't good at computering
>>108474331
>>108474314
looks really nice, man. I'm glad you're pleased.

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>>108472565
>about to get librebooted in June
Source? I know the project has a regular 6 month release schedule, but how do you know the X280 is getting a release in June? Of course it's only logical that it'd get an eventual port, since the T480 and T580 have already had theirs. The question is how many issues it'll have at the time of release, and how critical they'll be. Looking forward to it nonetheless.

>>108473332
You shouldn't compare gaming on gaming laptops with thinkpads you don't even use for gaming. That's not fair comparison. You can buy gaming laptops and not game on it yknow.

>>108474314
How do you know the battery is still 90%?

>>108474314
What a beauty. You did good.

>>108475279
acpi -V reports last full capacity / design capacity

>>108472529
Fair arguement about brand shilling. Brand loyalty only benefits corpos, always pick the best product for you.

But build quality, upgradability and price are generally what attracts anons to the Thinkpads and other business laptops, thus the Thinkpad General.

It is true that last-gen gaming laptops are slept on performance-to-price wise, but they generally have a bad rep for having a crappy chassis, hinge issues and riveted keyboards.

Maybe there can be a separate laptop general, but I think it may be flooded with Apple spam (although M1 and beyond are decent laptops).

how concerned should I be about my battery being at 40-42c for long periods?
do I have to buy a cooling pad?

>>108475961
>Applel
see
>>108474506

>>108476063
that's normal temps for a computer, you should be worried when it's approaching 65C all the time

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>>108474356
Found the specific thinkpad pen pro for a thinkpad X390 Yoga, lenovo FRU: 01FR723

There's tons of ppl complaining about the battery life of the built-in toothpick pens so you can probably skip it, AAAA and USB-C powered pens are way nicer anyway.

>>108475961
>Build quality
Is a meme. Is laptop the kind of thing you smash into floors? Only retards do that.
And no Thinkpad keyboards will be as good as the classic ones. That's a given and now it's the same as in everywhere else.
I think people here treat Thinkpad as a cult following like Mac users do.

>>108476099
I'm talking about specifically the battery.
65c would be thermal runaway territory.

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>Loads Windows very slowly
How is that even possible?
I'm still using X220 ffs.

>>108476595
>>108476595
I believe this guy could benefit from a fresh debloated install

>>108434205
Not really understanding how that would affect the temperature. My X230 idles in the low 30s, hardly goes up with text browsing or light programs but as soon as you start watching HD videos it goes up in to the 60s or even 70s sometimes. That's with new thermal paste, but it was only about 5 degrees hotter before the change. I'm running Arch with KDE Plasma now, it was similar on other setups.

thinkbumo

I have a T460 that I love and I'm thinking it's time to upgrade the RAM
Any recommendations so I don't accidentally get explosive chinesium?

>>108478130
let it die alfred

>>108478189
no

>>108478255
ok

>>108476545
Build quality as in having the baseline quality to not break down right after the one year warranty expires.
Non-business laptops are VERY fragile.

>>108478494
If you use them like monkeys do, yes.

>>108478171
>16GB
idk about exploding, I just bought a random pair of 8GB second hand
>32GB
good luck finding any for less than 4x the laptop's value

>>108479820
>>32GB
>good luck finding any for less than 4x the laptop's value
I'm glad I managed to get 64GB for 100 bucks during 2024 black friday (and 32GB for 60 for my other Thinkpad). would be a pain in the ass to get that much now

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MSI Modern seems to be their version of Ideapad.

>>108472565
I'm super excited about this.

Changed the touchpad on my T440p to the one from T450 and i followed the guide from thinkwiki to install the drivers but gestures just dont work at all
if anyone knows the fix pls help a brother out

Hello, I have searched for terms "backdoor", "back door", and "poz'd", no search queries were returned. I want to buy some cool stuff online. I'm searching Facebook marketplace for a dinosaur thinkpad, but no idea what to go with. I know to avoid Intel. All it needs to do is run tails and tor, probably a whole tab for about an hour on McDonald's WiFi.

tldr, whats the safest thinkpad gen to look for that is not poz'd when shopping on .nl

>>108483344
X200/Tx00 if you need the Intel ME fully removed (T60 too if you can fit within 3GB RAM but it isn't meaningfully cheaper than the xx00 generation)
If halting the ME after the BIOS takes over is enough, also much of the xx20-xx40 and xx70-xx80 gens, of which the xx30 are easiest to work with (internal flashing without any disassembly)

>>108483672
I'll check for these models. Probably can get by with only 2GB of memory. Thanks for the help. Anything is better than a 7700k desktop off your own network, VPN and VM really don't mean much when it counts.

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not bad for 110 bucks, thanks for the junk sucker

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I found this neat blogpost.
>https://dork.dev/posts/2026-02-20-ported-coreboot/

The prospect of having more modern boards in between the xx30 and xx80. The prospect of having a new X-series board is exciting, but unfortunately the X280 is really gimp with respect to port selection, and the X270 is a dual core system--it's either one or the other. Ultrabooks are super gay desu.

>>108484611
Just use ethernet adapter.
And you don't need more than the onboard 16 GB RAM, at least for the next 5 years.
14 inch is the new standard now. Trust me, the easier you accept this the better.

I'm just here to vouch for the P16s in case anyone was considering one. It's amazing.

I've revived my T490s. It is unfortunate that I can't put Libreboot on it or something but I'm at east gonna install hyprland on it or something.
I got hyprland on my main machine with a bloated dotfile on it.
On my laptop I'd like to be more of a minimalist.
Does anyone have any recs? I can be persuaded to put other things on this too honestly.

>>108485810
> Libreboot
If anything, use coreboot + edk2.
Libreboot still contains binary blobs anyways but lacks boot sequence validation by secureboot/vboot. Not like it truly matters for your device, currently.

>>108484611
Kaby Lake U and R should be interchangeable now that boot guard is cracked. Makes me want to learn BGA rework to put quad-cores in some of the nicer x70 pads.

>>108484677
I don't know if I'm being too nitpicky with there being no Ethernet port nor a full-sized SD card slot. There's also the fact it doesn't have space for a HDD/SSD, but I suppose it's time to move onto modern flash storage (at least on laptops anyway). My main issue with that is the current flash storage shortage.

Soldered RAM, 16GB is the bare minimum at the moment, but that requirement is sure to double in the next 5 years like you mentioned. I could get an X280 and be satisfied with the form factor, but only meet minimum specs for around 5-10 years; or I could get a T480 and upgrade to 32-64GB along the way. If the X280 had the same upgrade path, it would've been perfect; there was no need to make it an ultrabook.
>>108487478
I'm interested in learning the concepts involved in porting a board to coreboot, and then removing blobs for it to conform to Libreboot's standards. I'm involved only in so far as just being a hobbyist, so it's going to take a while...

I have literally no idea where to start, so I went ahead and asked GPT-chan. I'll go along with its recommendations in good faith, hoping it didn't hallucinate some topic that's wholly irrelevant.

>>108488719
This might be of interest to you then
https://blog.3mdeb.com/
They have ported coreboot to several Desktop and Server boards and are currently working on the B850-P

>>108488719
>16GB is the bare minimum at the moment
Literally what are you doing on a business laptop that isn't possible with 8GB ram?

>>108478268
still alive

what's the practical advantage of having a machine running coreboot?

>>108491051
faster boot time
obviously less backdoor and better long term security support if you're a privacy schizo too

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speaking of docks will this work on a t480 or do i need a 40AJ?

>>108491683
Theoretically it should work but DisplayLink can be hell to set up, especially on Loonix

Rant warning. Jesus fucking christ has lenovo butchered the thinkpad line or what, a dozen models with hundreds of variants, each with significant enough disadvantages to coerce upselling to slighter fewer disadvantages. What a mess

>>108492669
Only X, T, and P series are relevant. Avoid buying slim versions. Yoga is fine if you are into that, maybe X1 Carbon too.

>>108492669
I'd be jumping from joy if they had an expensive but perfect numpad-free model to upsell me to. Hasn't been the case in over a decade.

>>108493236
what's wrong with the P models then

>>108493274
Both of the numpad-free ones have unnecessarily hard to replace keyboards. Also they keep removing features (WWAN, Ethernet, SD slot) despite the space freed by soldered WLAN and CAMM.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the T14 gen 7. If it ends up having a solid case closer to the P series than to T14 gen 3-6 I might make my first Lenovo purchase in a while.

The keyboard on the T470 is not as good as the T430 chiclet.

Do 100W gan chargers rapid-charge thinkpads that originally came with 65W USB-C chargers?

I know they take 20V 3.25A, but every GaN charger supplies 20V 5A (100W on one port), does it need to be exact or will the charging circuity take only what it needs?

>>108492906
Even those have compromises. Notably, no RJ45 or expandable storage. They don't even make an AMD Yoga

>>108423989
so i'm having an issue with 3rd party battery for my x230, i have not seen such case before, the battery works just fine and fools ec under linux and windows 7 but only most of the time while running windows 10, sometimes it just gives me an validation error randomly. For now i have flashed the ec patch and am waiting to see any results due, might take a while due to inconsistency of this issue.

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>>108489919
compiling the static website from the place I work at and running a browser + IDE takes at least 10GB

>>108496483
>>108489919
I tried compiling ff on my 16bg and it was not enough lol.

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>>108489919
yeah man absolutely nothing demanding ever happens on a ‘business laptop’ no compiling projects, no running an IDE, no 20-tab browser sessions, no VMs… just opening Excel and calling it a day. truly can’t imagine how anyone could possibly exceed 8GB

>>108496624
What kind of office work needs 10+ tabs?
The only times I need more than that are when I was looking at porn.

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>>108497760
are you working at Walmart or something? I’m obviously talking about actual workloads heavy coding, compiling, reverse engineering workflows, debugging, multiple tools open… not just your 3 tabs and a spreadsheet.

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I have an A285 with the Ryzen 2700U, 16GB RAM. Is there any way to allocate more than 1GB of RAM to the iGPU? That's the most I can give it in the BIOS, which is kind of shit since the Vega 10 iGPU is kinda choked by this VRAM limitation.