forgot to say "edition" edition

>>108430740
$200 for DCS?
LMAO

>>108430834
the pricing is TBA, but if anything's going to somehow end up being $200 it's going to be a signature plastics set with addon kits and shipping

>>108430670
redpill me on KS3-x47s
do they really need 10 gorillion ACKtuations just like Cherry?
what about regular ol' full milky KS3s?

>>108430740
o mein gott
i coomed

I hate to say this but I've been writing debounce algorithms and now I see the point of 8khz gaymer boards

An 8khz board scans 8 times per ms. This means you could, e.g., have a hybrid debounce algorithm with 1ms of input lag that checks the state of the key 8 times in 1ms to make sure the input is stable, followed by some 'eager' debouncing lockout type behavior after that. This would split the difference between the stability of traditional debounce algorithms and the speed of eager ones in a way that might actually make most people happy.

But with a 1000Hz board, it only checks once per ms. So 1ms of debounce is identical to eager debounce, 2ms of debounce still has a real chance of bounce occurring from noise, etc. At minimum we're talking about maybe 3ms of input delay to get a nice stable bounce-free typing experience

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>>108430932
brother Geon blesses us with 8KHz MX PCBs

>>108430932
>debounce
new schizo word dropped???

>>108430692
if you want silent stabs, your focus should be on the ticking, not bottom out, dawg

>>108431088
Switch bounce WILL make you feel schizophrenic. Debounce is what makes you feel normal again

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still waiting

>>108431089
So you're saying I should try out the Panda/Durock V3's for my K95 even though I'm silence maxxing?

>>108431178
You do whatever you want. I've tried all kinds of shit like typeplus and I don't think they actually matter that much. The important thing is that they're lubed properly. I would just cheap out with some cherries and clip them.

I don't know anything about corsairslop. I hope it's hotswappable and you can put some silent frozens or lichix or something in it. That's going to be your biggest win on reducing sound.

>>108431276
>I don't know anything about corsairslop.
I bought it from some LoL pro and his gf for like 50 bucks because it had multimedia buttons and the meme 18 G meys and it fit my be quiet! case with the brushed aluminium, no wrist rest though.
>hotswap
Lol nah, gonna attempt soldering with the Silent Frozen V2 switches I ordered. They's go nice with the white LEDs but the fact they're PWM ruins them with migraine inducing flicker/strobing. As far as rattle goes with the stock stabilizers, I managed to get it down only to the wire I think by shimming the sides with painters tape and duct tape so they don't wobble laterally. Got some 205g0 so I'm still debating whether to go for the clipped stabs meme and just swap wires or stay stock. The Durocks are like 8 bucks on Ali why not is more of the question.
>That's going to be your biggest win on reducing sound.
That along with some more dampening mats, might get some butyl or pu foam sheet from the bitumin mat store to glue underneath the plate to reduce reverb if force break and the lubed switches won't suffice. Force break is kind of ass to perform on Corsair boards because they have a gorillion screws on the top that go through the plate and need high mounting pressure, especially here so the ECB makes contact with the G key PCB pins.

>>108431567
Cherry clip ins + Geon wires

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>>108431598
Stabs are plate mounted + 6.5u spacebar.

>>108431636
slather it with dielectric grease

Filtering Geonworks' name was the best /mkg/ decision I've made in a long time, thank you for reading my blog

>>108431567
>gonna attempt soldering
I hope you have a solder sucker and a lot of flux because desoldering that many switches is going to be miserable.

>The Durocks are like 8 bucks on Ali why not is more of the question.
Get the durocks then. I'm sure they're fine.

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KOREANS HATE HIM

>>108431636
So what makes anyone think that you can buy any old plate mount stabs and swap out the ones Corsair uses and be compatible?

>>108431636
>6.5u spacebar.
lmao does corsair really

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>watch blacksimon's guide to stab modding
>shows and demonstrates how unclipped stabs are quieter than clipped stabs and therefore should be used for silent builds (granted he is using clip in stabs and not plate mount)
>google the same question
>google tells me the opposite

>>108431895
I'll explain to you why the disagreement.

Clip-in stabs ARE quieter most of the time, because there is no longer anything hitting the PCB at the bottom. Before, the feet were hitting the PCB. Now nothing is hitting the PCB.

Except that sometimes, for some reason, the slider DOES hit the PCB. If you strike the spacebar heavily, on the edge, and maybe the pcb has some flex to it... this won't be the majority of presses, but it does happen. And not infrequently.

If you have a silent switch, you'll notice this. Sometimes it's quiet, but if I hit it too hard, it's loud. And it'll drive you nuts. The usual solution is to stick a pad of soft dampening material on the PCB. (Maybe Cherry's solution with the feet was better. I You could try it if you want. I haven't tried it, myself.)

With 2u keys it's much less likely that the stabs hit the PCB at all. If you do use a pad just to be safe, it doesn't need to be as thick.

>>108430867
I don't think they need as many as Cherry.

Trying switches side-by-side they seem the same as milky KS3s. Sound the same, etc. If they're different, it's the sort of subtle difference that only appears when you use a whole board of them for a while.

Just a cheap switch that comes unlubed and doesn't make any big mistakes. I don't know if there's anything really special about them.

>>108431895
>clacky PC
>thoccy nylon
get POM stabs

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nth for not needing stabilizers at all.

>>108432067
Nobody obsesses about pom or nylon housing sound signatures on silenced switches, because you are not supposed to have direct contact. The same is true of stabilizers. The ideal stabilizer design for silent switches does not involve two hard materials making a noisy contact, ever. Fussing over whether it will sound "clacky like PC" or "thocky like nylon" is totally missing the point.

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>>108430740
I told myself I was done with groupbuy boards, but when I saw this one I knew I just had to have one last ride

>>108432141
the ride ends when you're dead

holy jeez
I cannot get enough of scratchy MX Browns

>>108432181
Take it to the next level
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/greetech-brown-50g-tactile

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are these Alps?
>Firefly S1E10 at 34:36

>>108432141
the led indicator and the badge look a little tacky imo but southpaw numpad alice is like a unicorn. incredibly based layout choice

>>108432215
>are these Alps?
Nope. Apple Adjustable Keyboard from the 90s.

>>108432309
Yeah, I had to get it for the layout. FRL southpaw Alice is super uncommon

Are there any good EC boards with a split spacebar?

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>>108432350
I can't even think of any that exist besides this fucked up alice/hhkb thing

>>108432331
Wiki says they use Alps

would Aula f87 pro be a big improvement over old Logitech k120 in terms of typing comfort?

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>>108432554
No shit?

Is Transition Lite any good?

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>>108430740
My corsair K68 is finally failing after nearly 5 years of constant use. Is there any new mechanical keyboard out there like it?

>spill resistant
>red backlighting (no need for other colors)
>cherry red or similar silent switches

>>108433314
look up the latest from Corsair or others
you don't need a mechanical keyboard general for that

>>108433505
I just want a keyboard to use to death over the next 5 years or so. I already searched corsair's latest offerings and none of them have any serious spill resistance.

>>108432554
You can see the fucking apple on the third key in the bottom row on either side, and it uses that gay font Apple always used.

>>108433528
just don't spill any this time
hardly a dealbreaker anon

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you WILL have LESS keys and you WILL be HAPPY

>>108433698
1800 more or less renders TKL obsolete imo, very similar width while retaining numpad and at least four of the nav-cluster keys.

>>108433709
the free market says otherwise

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>>108433842
The Free Market™ believes cutting off the numpad will magically make you an Elite Gamer™

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>>108433709
>at least four of the nav-cluster keys.

>>108433987
WITHOUT turning off Numlock

>>108434010
If numlock stays on you should have bought a full-size. Why are you leaving numlock on on an 1800? It's just for number entry.

>>108434010
You aren't an accountant. You can turn off numlock.

>>108430740

Anyone else with a Keychron Q1 Max experiencing an issue with the 2.4G / USB/ BT switch on the top? Sometimes mine doesn't correctly switch between 2.4G and BT. I got a replacement daughterboard from Keychron and it's no better.

>>108434023
But what if I AM an accountant

>>108434069
Then you should get a full-size.

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I'm not a square edges guy (I like a good bevel) but for any minimalists out there, they've got a new board in the best layout which is quite attractive
https://www.antipode.studio/products/logos
>7 month wait
>$420
>3kg unbuilt
>brass bottom weight
>gasket socks

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>>108434122

>>108434131
Woah, muh aesthetics! Please take $400+ of my hard-earned money for a fucking keyboard. And please, take your time, I don't need it this year.

>>108433698
96% is the perfect sweetspot thougheverbeit

Do silent switches feel worse to type on than non-silent switches?

>>108434209
Yes, they generally feel gummy or mushy.

>>108434209
The bottom out is going to feel softer than a non-silenced switch. If that bothers you then yes. There are some silent switches that minimize this soft feeling (like lichicx silent, gat gecko, probably some others) while still being silent.

>>108434209
Most do, but I don't think all of them do. I've hit my weekly cap for shilling the brand that I think feels best

>>108434122
>no indicator LED on an numpad board that requires the numpad to be flexible with num lock
Does anyone in this hobby have a fucking brain

>>108434334
MUH
CLEAN
AESTHETIIIIIIIIIIIIIC

>>108434142
based

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>>108434122
Why omit the function keys? For a keyboard that's meant to be ultra portable I understand it but for that purpose a 40% or a 60% would make more sense. The whole "muh desk space" argument doesn't make sense either. The function keys don't take up much space. Like, how tiny does your desk have to be to not be able to fit a keyboard with function keys on it? At that point you are better of buying a better desk than spending money on a another retarded keyboard. I hate this trend of omitting keys for no good reason at all.

>>108434723
It's easy to pick up a board this size with one hand. It is not easy to pick up a 96% with one hand. That is the significance of the size difference, in my view.

I don't know why I like it, but I do. It's nice to have F-keys, but it's not that painful to be without them. FN+2 = F2 isn't particularly hard to remember.

for me, it's Cherry MX Black Hyperglides with Kailh red stems

>>108434730
I must have ogre hands because I can pick up a TKL board with one hand without trouble as long as it doesn't have gigantic bezels.
I don't really have issues remembering layers. I daily drive an HHKB and I can type on 5 different keyboard layouts. Remembering things is not an issue.
I just don't see any benefit in not having function keys on a layout like that and if there is no benefit in not having them you might as well have them.
I guess your niche use case of picking up keyboards one handed while having small hands makes sense but there can't be many people like that.

>>108434334
I left a comment in the Antipode discord and the designer right away replied that he didn't intend to leave out the LEDs, he just doesn't use them personally so hadn't thought of it and he's going to talk to someone about whether they can be added (not sure if he's referring to the PCB designer or who)

>his keyboard has a knob
Yikes

>>108433314
>>108433528
Try lpokong at the K70 with magnetic switches

>>108434209
I will tell you when my silent frozens and silent peaches arrive

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>>108434730
You can do the same with a keychron

>ordered a few mt3 kits earlier today
>drop is now in full clearance mode
ok i am a little bit mad. i still got a good deal but i could have saved like $30 if i waited 12 hours. how could i have known?

>>108434209
hmx silent switches use harder silicone so the bottom out isn't mushy at all. otherwise, generally yes

>>108435470
>godspeed base kit for $39
>ergo kit for $10
Damn, that's a steal.

>>108435491
yeah, i was thinking about that one just in case i want to do some ergo split shit but i can't justify it. ive already spent too much. i've picked up like 5 mt3 kits over the years. im good now. ready to move on to mtnu

Is MSI Forge GK320 decent? I want a new keybooard on the cheap and it looks okay, but the price makes me suspect it, also MSI

Kailh box cream pros are sweet
feels like a crisp clicky linear

>>108435491
Jesus Christ, /dev/tty base kit for $20. Farewell Drop.

>>108435511
BUY IT ALL

Is vinyl wrapping your plate and case a viable strategy if you don't want to spray paint for a seasonal mood?

>>108435642
The trick to getting a new board on the cheap is to look for layouts or colorways that for some reason couldn't sell, like a few of the Filcos that mechanicalkeyboards.com stocked

>>108431088
just another way to make money out of goyim cattle

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>>108430740

>>108432109
based

I just want a cheap 75% keyboard. No fancy tech, no specific switches, no need for a titanium case. I just want it to be free from the RGB bullshit

>>108431089
If your stab bottoms out that's way fucking worse than ticking on a silent build. The only way you could say some shit like this is if you've never built a silent board

Is memory foam a good way to fill a deep empty case behind the PCB since it compresses?

>>108436302
used Mode Sonnet

>>108436467
hah
use EPE foam

>>108436467
You don't need to fill the case, even just a layer of felt will substantially cut the hollowness

some HMX linears feel like tactiles with their obscene long poles

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Bauerbros...not like this

>>108436872
The aluminum boards at that price point mostly sound worse. Unless you are very easily impressed by "woooow metal keyboard" the Bauer Lite still has a lot to offer.

>>108436860
those nasty long poles just make me so bothered, I can't stop thinking about how nasty they are

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>>108438136
some like bottoming out on creamy long poles

>>108432126
>>108436354
Why not just use clipped stabilizers and put some tape or fabric or foam instead so it hits that when it bottoms out?

>>108439421
I don't think there's a reason not to, which is why I said that's the usual solution in this post >>108431988

what the fuck do they use to manufacture Cherry switches?
I can't get enough of the SCRATCH

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also, the fuck?
three green keycap runs at once?

>>108439939
i am so sick of cherry and cherry-like profiles

>>108440035
get your sculpted Drop caps right now
before they're all gone

>>108440114
what do you think i've been using for the last 5 years

>>108432109
Anyone using shit like this is probably jerking it while touching their keyboards.

MX Blacks and Browns are the GOAT
I just can't come to terms with it, oh ffffuuuuck

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>>108436302
>I just want it to be free from the RGB bullshit
Just pretend the LEDs are zits, problem solved.

>>108436302
just turn off the light lmao

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>>108434723
It's actually a pretty nice layout, because you just use function key for functions and num lock for the nav cluster. I'm sure some workflows benefit from a full function row but mine don't.

>>108436302
I'm using a keychron C3 Pro, they are cheap and I got it on sale even cheaper. It has a red backlight only.

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>listed as 10g spring
>just tested and it's 20g like the stock one
Fuck my life, guess that's what I get for ordering off the bugman site.
I do think the spacebar on Topre boards is a tad sluggish with them removed, on even 45g Topre, but a 20g auxiliary spring is retardedly heavy, especially for the long drawn out tactility on rubber domes. Fatiguing as fuck. 65g MX tactiles and clickies the event is so brief that it's far less fatiguing.
Guess I just have to cope with a sluggish spacebar when I want to use my Topre boards.

>>108433698
The small 0 is fucktarded and always will be. Same with the exploded/out of line arrow keys, looks fucking terrible. All this to "save" literally 3 centimeters of desk space.
The bad kind of autism, for sure.

>>108430740
I don't like the "hobby" anymore. I just gave up on it, I regret wasting money. I'd probably just get a wooting or nuphy.

>>108434723
In practice I don't really see the point of having a physical F row outside of playing video games where only one hand is on the keyboard. With my hands on homerow it's easier just to use an fn layer. Same applies to arrows and nav. That just leaves a numpad if you're using a calculator a lot or doing data entry or something. For that reason I think 60% + numpad is really cool, but personally I'm more of an alice guy, and alice + numpad is rare.

>>108440832
Small 0 makes more aesthetic sense than big 0. Just does. Being dogmatically attached to convention merely because it is convention—retarded.

>—
Hello ChatGPT!

>>108441207
alt+0151, imbecile

>>108441199
>Small 0 makes more aesthetic sense
it doesn't and it's more annoying to use

>>108441199
It looks retarded aesthetically to have the blank space there and also functionally as the other anon said. You're wrong on both counts, as is expected of a tranny% lover.

>>108441488
>blank space
What are you talking about?

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Is it normal to be perfectly content with the first cheapo $30 keyboard?

>>108441554
Yes, but "normal" is bad

>>108435470
>people already bought out all of the keycaps before you even heard of this bullshit
Well there's this keyboard left for $30, I think its a decent price for $30 don't you think?

https://drop.com/buy/drop-entr-mechanical-keyboard?defaultSelectionIds=987679%2C987683

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>>108441492
This, retardtroon. Big zero makes it line up nicely and again, the function is simply better.

>>108441724
More than half of that "blank space"—9/16ths of it—is occupied by a key. That isn't a blank space.

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What you are calling a "blank space" is conventionally called a "gap", and it becomes obvious why it is rhetorically weak to say "it looks retarded to have a gap there", because it no longer implies useless waste. Unlike the full-size, which has five blank spaces in its nav cluster, there is no blank space on a 96% keyboard.

>>108434740
What do the stems do for it?

imagine using anything except Cherry

>>108442164
sounds better on half-plate solder builds

>>108440832
based as fuck
real men aren't afraid of their keyboards being bigger

>>108440842
Same except I just wanted a quiet and comfortable office multimedia keyboard, yet here I spending upwards of $150 on an accessory here and there and kit on impractical landfill items when I think about off the shelf solutions.

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MX BLAECKS

what is up with faggots and being into black(ed) stuff?

>>108442538
It's just one faggot spamming it because he doesn't have anything better to do.

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slowly overcoming 120wpm plain thanks to advice of anon who suggested grinding through Mencius book. thanks anon

>>108431892
Corsair's stabilizers apparently aren't the same as Cherry's original stabilizers either

>>108442615
whatever it takes to stop others from buying crappy switches

>>108442992
It doesn't do shit but spam the threads with low quality posts.

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>>108434723
If your desk cannot fit this keyboard, you don't deserve a desktop PC. Any attempt at cutting down 104-key ANSI to "save space" is mental illness. Same with the quirky division/multiply keycaps. Some of the most niggerlicious, ass-backwards "ideas" to ever be shat out by a man.

>>108443279
That's not 104 tho

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>>108443286
I know, it's better than 104. Extra keys extending to the top and the left of the keyboard. Not even that much bigger than the 104 model. Again, if your desk is so tiny it cannot fit this, a 104-key board with a thicker frame, then you shouldn't own a desktop computer. Get a laptop or a smartphone if this is too much desk real estate for you to handle that you have to create a handicapped product and make it "the new normal".

>>108430740

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>>108442362
>real men aren't afraid of their keyboards being bigger
There's no fucking reason why your keyboard should be so long it hangs off your desk, anything other than a compact full size with half height top rows or a board that merges the navcluster and numpad is objectively a waste of precious mouse and desk space. Shit like macro keys and the right shift/ctrl/windows/alt key are a gimmick you will NEVER use 99.9% of the time.

>>108443294
TKLs are simply better
I want my keeb usable without flailing my arms around to nav the mouse without banging against the 104's frame

how come other switches don't need millions of actuations to perform better?

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>he doesn't use a vibrator to actuate MX Blacks
that's the moment you go from being green to a true hobbyist

one of the reasons I'm buying a laptop is so I can use a keyboard I like. I don't use it on my pc because the usb port is in an awkward spot on the left, and I already use a different keyboard for that setup anyway

>>108443592
I respect TKL only because it's just the 104 ANSI, through and through, but with the numpad cut out. I was referring to all the retarded 96% type wastes of resources that do fuck-all in terms of reducing the keyboard's footprint in any tangible sense while fucking over the usability of the keyboard for anyone that doesn't use it as a glorified smartphone keyboard.

Also a 104-key is not an issue when gaming if you have a large enough desk and shift it to the left. Your arms are at the same angle and you get the real estate for mouse movement.

do tactile switches just naturally have more key chatter than linear switches do? I just got a batch of silent shrimps and this is the 3rd tactile in a row where I've had problems with key chatter.

>>108443822
my feelings precisely

>>108444095
nope
try silent tactiles from HMX/Lichicx/Haimu
Durock sells antiquated crap

>>108442992
I have a strong suspicion the switches you are trying to stop people from buying are Cherry MX

>>108444095
>do tactile switches just naturally have more key chatter than linear switches do?
Yes. The stem bump causes the leaf spring to compress more, so that when it opens and strikes the contact point it does so more forcefully, which causes more bounce. This is mentioned in the switch guide in the OP.

The solution is to adjust your debounce on your keyboard. 5-10ms of classic defer debounce should fix most keyboards, but the trade-off is you get that much input lag.

>>108440035
I am thoroughly convinced the only reason Cherry is so ubiquitous as a keycap profile is either because it's the easiest profile to work with or because there's so many fucking $1 office keyboards floating around that it only became popular by default, like everybody seeming to have at least a few shitty Tiger Electronics LCD games laying around no matter their income bracket.

>>108443822
>I was referring to all the retarded 96% type wastes of resources that do fuck-all in terms of reducing the keyboard's footprint in any tangible sense while fucking over the usability of the keyboard
You are a frothing-at-the-mouth retard. 96% is ONE KEY wider than TKL, and has more overall usability because it has both navigation and the numpad, whereas the TKL only has navigation.

>>108444695
>more overall usability
You are a frothing-at-the-mouth retard. 96%'s "more overall usability" is not what my muscle memory has been trained for over all these years, it gives you no real improvement over full-size 104 key ANSI in terms of desk space, and all it does is that you pay a premium for a keyboard that's worse in every single way just because it's "trendy".

Again, if you bitch about "muh desk space", just move your fucking keyboard to the left you lazy faggot. Never have I smacked my hand against the numpad while playing vidya, you're genuinely fucking hopeless if you have to rape the keyboard market for everyone just because you lack the strength to move your fucking keyboard to the left.

>>108444095
I don't think so
check if the legs of the switch are straight and not bent, also could be a pcb issue
does this happen with just a few certain keys? try different switches for the keys that are chattering

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>>108444822
let me suck you off
I love you so much
fuck these sub-80% queers

>>108442810
Nice, I only have speed like that on 10 words.

>>108444822
>it gives you no real improvement over full-size 104 key ANSI in terms of desk space,
It offers 76.5% of the savings that TKL does. I can't see why the one is significant and the other is nothing, especially since with diminishing returns 76.5% of the space is more than 76.5% of the benefit.
>not what my muscle memory has been trained for over all these years
Doesn't take decades to build this muscle memory, you can acquire it in a month.
>just move your fucking keyboard to the left you lazy faggot
The hands should be centered relative to the monitor when you type. Full-size with a large mousepad forces you to type on an alpha cluster that is left of center, which is awkward. Southpaw numpad full-size boards are perfectly fine—it's not the total width that matters—but full-size is awkward. The only way to make it work is to accept less space for the mouse. Which is fine, depending on what you want to do.

>>108444908
>septum pig ring
dropped

>>108442810
>He's doing Mencius
very based

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Is soldering hot swap sockets worth it? Are these in pic any good? I got plate mount stabilizers so I'm worried if I don't get them right the first time when modding I'll have to desolder everything and put the board at risk of wear and tear.

Unless I am misunderstanding how plate mount stabilizers are installed. It'd cost me another $15-20 or so to buy these but I got 100g of solder already for the same cost as hot swap sockets.

>>108445442
I think plate mount can be uninstalled with only removing the switch in question, and don't need any other switches removed

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>>108445098
it comes off real easy
like film-less Blacks on tight Alu

>>108445448
Lol damn, I just discovered this. Somehow I never bothered to look up how to install plate stabilizers until I thought about the name and the conspicuous notch... god fucking damn it. I could have modded them this whole time. Already bought Durock V3's though so I guess I'll just wait till next week or practice silencing on these stock ones first.

>>108445542
Okay nevermind I still need to remove the switch... maybe I should have ordered hot swap sockets after all.

>>108445617
Oh my god dude it's one fucking switch, literally two pins to desolder. Don't be a baby

>>108445621
Why not just put hot swap sockets on stabilized keys only to avoid hassle when testing stabilizers?

>>108445492
That’s a man.

>>108445674
You don't need to solder the switch in place to test the stabilizers. You only need to solder the switch in to make it functional. If what you're talking about is making small tweaks while working on the stabilizers, testing the feel, then making more tweaks, then what you're describing does not require any soldering of the switch.

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>one 6.5u spacebar keycap costs 7$

+84 TKL absolutely mogs
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=xJPdux61FSg

>Cherry switches are not used by many in the hobby. this is directly reflected in switch sales. i dont think i dont need anymore evidence to convince you that cherry black users are a very small minority.
>you want me to provide you evidence for explaining to you why rubbing 2 of the smoothest low friction plastics together (pom and nylon) is a waste of time. You want a smooth switch, which in fancy science terms just means less friction, and you also dont want to lube switches, instead you wanna rub them together a million times and hope for what exactly?
imagine being this insufferable

>>108445806
Comparing it to a 65% is so deceptive

>>108441727
>I'm a retarded faggot playing dumb lolol
Good job ignoring all the other points. Ninety-troon percent still looks like rotting garbage and is mogged aesthetically and functionally by normal full size every single day.

>>108443493
If a full size board "hangs off your desk" you are a third worlder living in a cramped hole.
>hurrrr you don't actually use any of that stuff
I do, regularly. Tranny% users are the ones coming up with copes like using fighting game combos with gayers and coping about "productivity" and they never actually mention what they do.
>p-progra-
No you don't, vibe coding visa vulture.

>>108446205
The more thin your position is revealed to be, the more desperately you resort to forceful rhetoric and obscenity. Coprolalia won't win you any arguments here. We are men of reason.

>>108446317
>"you are teh silly man!1!!!!"
You have to go back to that site.
>can't address the points made and deflects with affected smug faggotry
You could have had the good kind of autism, but instead you chose this. Just remember that.
Still looks and functions worse than full size and that's the cold, hard truth.

>>108446406
You will not ever (and cannot) explain what "functions worse" means, because there is not a single bit of functionality missing on the 96%. The entire navigation cluster's functionality is natively programmed into the numpad in Windows, which is why "num lock" exists. The advantage which a full size has over a 96% is that you can do nav (beyond merely the arrow keys) and fast number input at the same time. For some kinds of data entry this is useful. For most computer use it is not. And you trade desk space to get it.

Call it an insignificant amount of space as many times as you want, everyone who has used both knows you are either ignorant or lying. It isn't the total amount of space, but the fact that this space is in the area between your shoulders, that makes it significant. If you are using a lower mouse sensitivity and require a large mousepad area, this seriously conflicts with a full-size keyboard. I have already explained this iirc.

What are all these other great points that I've failed to address? That you think the exploded arrow cluster looks ugly? That it's harder to press the 1u zero key?

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>>108446542
>you will not
Literally did, what is this ESL reading comprehension? A smaller key sucks ass to hit with your thumb since it's the thickest of your digits.
>bunch of retarded shit gassing up troon% slop
>m-muh space
It is insignificant. A few centimeters saved AT BEST. If that makes or breaks being able to use a mouse for you then, again, you are a third worlder living in a cramped hole. Even worse if you're one of the numale faggots that has a big ol' butcher block desk and does minimalist faggy shit like picrel.

>>108446624
This is the entirety of your case against 96%? You struggle to press the 1u zero?

Lmfao

Had a dream last night that I bought a big bag of maggots to do a keyboard mod I saw on youtube that involves putting maggots in the keyboard and squishing them down, but as I was carrying the bag (open) through my kitchen I lost control of it and started spilling maggots all over everything

>>108446624
>>108446907
96% are based, near the footprint of a TKL but with a numpad. Obsessing over full-sized is gay. I usually do a 65 for games and 96 for work

>>108446907
>this [retardation]
It's always amusing when autistic faggots have to play dumb and "misunderstand" your point.
While conveniently ignoring the other ones you've made.
>>108447390
>it's based because muh larping
Nope.
>If that makes or breaks being able to use a mouse for you then, again, you are a third worlder living in a cramped hole.
Want to address this or nah?

>>108447489
The entirety of your argument, as far as I can tell, is:

- width doesn't matter and reducing width produces zero or near-zero benefit, unless you have a small desk.
- breaking the visual rectangularity of the clusters looks bad
- it's hard to press 1u zero on the numpad with your thumb
- you have "years of muscle memory" of 104 layout that would go to waste with a different layout

This is it. This is every single actual point you've made. The other "points" you'd like us to address are things like "if you disagree, you're a troon and also a third worlder."

A couple of these are true (single 0 is slightly harder to strike with the thumb, rectangular clusters look better), but they don't add up to much, so your whole argument hinges on "a few centimeters doesn't matter". If that's true, then it's all downside going down to a 96%. You have done nothing to advance this point other than accuse people of being poor, having cramped desks etc. When I reply to this point specifically, because your whole argument relies on it and collapses without it, you accuse me of ignoring your other points.

It collapses with trivial ease because you already admitted you respect TKL, a layout that does literally nothing but chop off functionality to reduce width. The reduction is only 41.7% more than what you already get from 96%, the losses in functionality are far greater. But it keeps the classic layout, which is obviously the only thing you actually care about.

(a small correction to an earlier post: I mistakenly said you get ~76% of the reduction of a TKL, but it's actually only 70.6%; I mistakenly counted the 96% as eliminating a 0.25u gap like TKL does, but it doesn't, because it has a 0.5u gap between the clusters since the arrow cluster needs 0.25u on each side.)

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>>108448017
>width doesn't matter and reducing width produces zero or near-zero benefit, unless you have a small desk.
Which is true.
>breaking the visual rectangularity of the clusters looks bad
Also true. Exploded layouts look fucking awful.
Why wouldn't they look bad when the overall form for all keyboards is inherently rectangular, and 99.9% of the rest of the board has some form of rectangularity where parts line up nicely with each other? Even the really small troon% boards look better aesthetically than exploded layouts because they conserve that aesthetic.
>1u zero sucks
Yep, it does. The bigger zero on standard numpads just makes more sense for where your thumb naturally lies and the gimped ones force you to stretch it more inwards or use your middle or ring finger instead.
>you have "years of muscle memory" of 104 layout that would go to waste with a different layout
Literally where did I say this?
>you're a troon or third worlder
How is this wrong? Complaining about desk space, as if it's something impossible to fix, basically signifies that for (You) it IS an impossible problem to fix instead of... simply having a bigger desk?
>b-b-but
There is literally no way this is an issue if your desk is at least 4 or 5 feet wide, it simply just isn't unless you're a gaymer that uses autistically low DPI on your mouse and you have to flail it around in large motions like a true downie. The only issue I've ever had with mouse space using a full size is when I put my water bottle on my mouse pad, NOT from my keyboard. Even when I use my F122 it is not an issue, and no "muh ergonomics" argument can be made for a 2 degree angle shift in your arm.
>it's all downside
It is. It's simply an inferior version of full size with no tangible benefit unless you need to free up 3 centimeters on your 30 centimeter wide """""desk""""" (a repurposed box of oranges or something IDK what you use)
>TKL
Not me, you're fighting ghosts or mistaking other people's posts ITT as mine.

Best places to get OEM PBT keycaps that a subtle, monochrome or retro looking?

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Thoughts on Matias Tactile Pro?
Some reviews seem positive but others mentioned the keycaps wobble a bit.

>>108448387
Years ago I had a different board with matias switches, and yes they're very wobbly. Just the nature of alps style switches.

>>108448420
That does seem very unfortunate for a board that is on the pricier side, but if the wobble isn't too bad that it'll affect my typing, maybe it's still worth it?

>>108448124
Obviously I mistook >>108444822 >>108443822 for you because he was arguing on the same side.

You're still wrong, but less obviously so. The space difference matters. These boards would not be so popular if it did not matter. People like their mouse to be straight out from their right shoulder, and their alphas to be centered in front of their monitor. Depending on the width of your shoulders, maybe you can accomplish that with a full-size, but most can't.

>>108448544
>y-you're wrong because muh ad populum
Give me a fucking break.
>OOOH MUH SHOULDER
But yet having to flail your mouse around like a spastic because gaymers told you that 400dpi for aiming is somehow better... Shit is beyond parody at this point. Almost as bad as that one troon some months back who whined about desk/mouse space and admitted to using a trackball.
Get a bigger desk, get a sense for aesthetics and stop being a third worlder. Unironic "skill issue" on every count.

>>108448571
>Get a bigger desk,
My desk is almost six feet wide lol, that's not my complaint. Maybe you're mistaking me for another poster..?

>>>OOOH MUH SHOULDER
>But yet...
Maybe if you lecture me enough I'll stop thinking the more comfortable posture that I intuitively prefer feels more comfortable

>ad populum
Incorrect use.

>>108448625
Even more reason to call you a retard whining about a ~3cm reduction in size.
>comfortable posture
OOOOOOH MY SHOULDER, NO HUMAN IS BUILT TO ROTATE THEIR ARMS OUTWARDS, OUR ARMS JUST SNAP IMMEDIATELY IF THEY DO!
W-What? How do people move their mouse side to side then, you say? S-SHUT UP!
>n-not
Is how it's used.
This is just the cherry on top, peak irony. You can't write someone more sure of their own retardation than this.

>>108448734
I think this is a good place to end the argument, since you're repeating yourself in a loop now. I submit it to the judgment of other anons, they can decide for themselves whose arguments were stronger.

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>>108448821
>"You are very silly!" *bitches out*
Another troon classic.
AIEEEEEE I NEED SHOULDER SURGERY NOW HUMAN BODIES WEREN'T MEANT TO MOVE LIKE THIS

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Full size keyboards... not even once...

Windows is designed for numpad nav. Model M worship needs to die. Model F AT was the superior layout and superior keyboard.

>W*ndows

pls recommend
>tkl
>cheap
>preferably wired and hot swappable
>dont care about rgb or switch
will be for a secondary computer so wont be in use much. just dont want it to take up a ton of space

get a fullsize or get a tkl
anything in between means being a bad person

>>108449040
another piece of shit layout
you cannot remove essential keys
no no no

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you only need one good keyboard

>>108449182
Pic not related

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>>108449195
pic very much related else i wouldn't have attached it.

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>>108420663
Update, just got it in and it feels pretty nice so far. Not actually 53g like the specs claim (more like 57g), but still way lighter than the deathadder v2 pro it's replacing. Doubly nice is how synapse is uninstalled now.

why would someone buy a clone if they can just buy an endgame gear mouse?

>>108449248
I don't actually play FPS games much at all. It was more the ridiculous battery life & DPI buttons that appealed to me. Shit like the low weight is just a bonus.

>>108449248
it just werks

>>108449257
>>108449275
i tried a few clones (vxe r1 pro and the mchose a5) for cheap and while they were good (they cloned those shapes very well), the coating wore off kinda fast. that made me buy an op1we which supposedly has better coating while having a similar shape to the r1 pro. my brother also has the original g pro superlight and while it kinda looks like crap (it's gray) since he works on bikes and stuff in his free time, if you wipe it down the coating is still perfect.

>>108449284
Well hopefully the coating on this lasts a while. For $48 I don't really have any complaints.

xda used to be my go to for keycaps, but my top 75b came with moa keycaps and they're sooooo nice to type on

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>>108449182
>>108449202
use case over the k400?

>>108449373
swag

>>108449335
use grip tape
your fingers won't wear down the coating

>>108449443
I can't be bothered to be honest, also I like the feel of the mouse as is.

>>108443493
God i miss her bros

MX2A

>Lemokey P1 is still unavailable
I guess they don't want my money at all.

Geon keyboards ooze femininity

Are be quiet! keyboards any good?

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Black or White?

>>108450511
white is the answer

>2 keycaps cost me as much as my logitech mouse
this is absurd

>>108430740
>$200 keycaps
Chat is this true

>>108450507
No
>>108450511
White

>>108450754
now compare it with a GMK set's price

>>108450790
for the goy cattle, yes.

non-retarded people get higher quality pbt keycaps for 30$ from aliexpress

placebo general

>>108451104
I can feel and smell every switch types just by looking at them.

>>108451122
>I can feel and smell every switch types just by looking at them.
exactly, cause it's all in your head.

>>108451052
pbt is ass

>>108451104
there's placebo and there's discerning tastes

>>108451163
>IF THE KEY TRAVELS ANOTHER 0.005 NANOMETERS I'M GONNA HAVE TO KILL MYSELF AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>108430740
I can find the keycap set from this render but cannot find the board this render is based off of. Anyone know? All I can find is "Aperture by Elmo."

>>108451303
Aperture is a fictional corporation from Valve's Half Life universe.

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hhhnnnng holy FUCK huuuuyyy

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>>108451329
Very funny
This is the other render

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>really want an F122
>no cash on hand
>FOMO is real with this project
I probably should bite the bullet and do the down payment route like Joe suggested

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how apropos

>>108451455
don't you have an Epstein type pal around
someone to spot you the cash with no interest?

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look at that beast
do a down payment, suck dicks, whatever man
just get it

>>108451557
I could prob borrow some cash just to reserve one, then get any wagie job ASAP

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>hard throbbing cock inside a sissy cage
this hobby gets gayer by the day

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>>108451591
Yeah that badge looks like ass lol, first thing you see is a cock and not a capacitive buckling spring switch.

Thankfully there are nice aftermarket IBM stickers that would fit it as well.

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And a darker one, though idk, on the beige one the silver one would probably look better

>>108451610
yeah silver on beige is ideal

>>108451606
>>108451610
Jaka strona?

>>108451845
Sprzedawca dozrobienia na Alledrogo

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>>108451606
>>108451610
Kup to

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>>108451863
>alledrogo

>>108451566
oh man, typing on that beast would be SICK

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>>108451884
Mam lepszy wzorek

>>108451894
Zawsze śmieszy

>$1150 for brass Glare TKL
that's a lot of dicks for me to suck
before I can afford it

What are the current best clickies?
What are the current best tactiles?

>>108452047
>clickies
kailh box white and box jade for light or heavy
>best tactiles
mmd princess v1 or v2, buy from kprepublic if you can't find v1/v2 standalone

>>108449473
>I can't be bothered to be honest
Then why should anyone have a discussion with you?

>>108452077
>kailh box white and box jade for light or heavy
very disappointing desu, jades are nearly 10 years old at this point and still considered the best clickies. Shows how good they are though ig

>>108452133
not a lot of advancement to really make in the clicky space, some of the alternative click methods made since then are tied to bad QC like some gateron and outemu offerings

best "clicky" would probably be a buckling spring or beamspring keyboard from new model f, but obviously that is not an MX switch or a sub-$100 purchase

>>108452133
I prefer box pinks. I don't know why nobody ever mentions them. Probably because youtubers only talked about jades back.

>>108452077
mmd princess v1 are still a thing? They tend to chatter a lot. 25% of my full size ended up having double clicking issues because if it.

>>108452184
hard telling if they're a thing, i would assume that kprepublic sells v2s because i don't have chattering issues from them. godly feeling tactile, shame about v3 and v4 sucking in comparison because they fell for the "lube your tactiles" meme

>>108452167
Its a middle of the road option and it's basically never in OEM keyboards like jades. If you're buying switches and want a very noticeable tactile bump and loud click, the jades are a strong option. desu I never really see anyone buying whites either, they're like cherry switches and kind of only exist on keyboards that were shipped with them.

>>108452133
>the best clickies
melodics

>>108452451
other anon mentions gateron having bad QC, is that a problem with these?

>>108452534
dunno, I haven't noticed anything. I know gateron does a shit lube job in general but because the stem on these is molded to slide along pairs of rails in the housing they actually feel pretty ok out of the box

they're also the least annoying sounding clickies I've ever used. would recommend

>>108452047
>>108452133
GATERON MELODICS
>>108452146
>bad QC
IGNORE

>>108452534
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
ONE MAN'S ANECDOTE
FUCKING BUY IT
>>108452573
based actual clickie appreciator
Boxbois need to move on to Melodics

>>108451863
>Alledrogo
XD

>current best tactiles
SAMPLE THESE AND TAKE YOUR PICK
WS HEAVY
BABY KANGAROO 2.0
STRAWBERRY R2
HMX SNOWFALL
MAKE SURE TO USE THEM ON THICC ALU OR FR4 PLATES
I LOVE ALL CAPS

I feel like tactiles are so subjective that there really isn't a "best" one, but there are objectively bad ones. (MX Clear)

>>108452575
gateron melodics are good but they're too pricy and there's too much variance in how individual switches feel and perform

>>108452674
such is life for boxless clickies

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no good picture of it floating around the internet but i was surprised the 8bitdo full-size keyboard has a sideways switch placement on its numpad + and enter keys, it makes it not a total fucking pain in the ass to get those keys out when hotswapping because you're not trying to fish it out from between the stabilizers

are there any switches that have a spring on top of the mechanism so that it can bounce off the keycap while I type and go clack-dada da-clackclack dada-clackclackclack clack-dada clackclack-dada-clack-da-clackadaclack...

>>108452736
Buckling spring? Though that leaves you with a) Unicomp's worn tooling and b) dealing with Joe.

bestest tactiles are boba U4Ts obviously

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It's official: Antipode Logos now has capslock and numlock indicator through-holes. Designer confirmed in the Antipode Discord. You all can thank me for complaining there. Not that any of you were the slightest bit interest in buying this board lol

Unfortunately I had to buy one. My bluff was called. If you say to someone "I probably would have bought this, except that X" and then they bend over backwards to fix X immediately, they got you. That's how it is. Learn from my mistake.

>>108452958
I'm happy for you, my function key-less friend

Will an XDA spacebar fit a Cherry profile keyboard and feel normal to use? I feel hung up on buying one for $6 or two for $11 since I need a 6.5u spacebar and that's all there is.

I have a Cherry profile one but I need to repaint it since it came in pink and I am worried about the effect it might have on my skin or how long it will smell if I use my can of Montana colors acrylic after priming.

>>108452958
I don't like whatever those marks are under the spacebar and the numpad, looks nice otherwise though but I'd still rather have a flip 6p. What I really want is an alice version of something like this.

>>108452958
based
>slightest bit interested
not my problem

>>108452696
all chicom hotswap boards have sideways switch placement like that

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Can't I just shave off the bottom of an OEM keycap to make it Cherry height?

>>108453473
just buy new caps jeez

maybe shave your neckbeard first

>>108453531
If you can find a Cherry profile 6.5u spacebar in black, be my guest.

>>108453598
Instructions unclear, I am not American.

>>108453473

you likely want pbt cherrys
default entry plastic is crumbly tier

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>just a few more dicks
>I'll soon have enough
>for a brass Glare TKL
>with Blacks on Alu
such is life in this economy

What "ergo clear" style of tactiles would any of you guys recommend? I've tried the recolored (MX Purple), Naevies and I've been recommended Corsas or Ceruleans.

>>108454138
I've never been satisfied with the tactility of ergo clear-likes. I've tried blue penguins but they were just okay. I don't think you can get your hands on them anymore but from what I've heard they're extremely similar to corsas.

>>108453473
Would a Cherry ISO Enter be a good match for a DSA keyboard?

I fell for the melodic meme. They just don't feel or sound as good as my box jades. They really are a peak.

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>money borrowed
>order placed
>down payment sent
Welp, I will never financially recover from this. Pray that I'll get a job soon so that I can pay this off ASAP.

>>108454138
just try any of these and see what tickles your fancy >>108452621
tactiles must be felt and they must be felt on the right plate to feel and sound good
EXPERIMENT

>>108454975
holy based
rolled the dice, you did
I will personally intervene with all the fates and see to it that you get a jerb

>>108455021
For now it's only $100 of the down payment that got sent, and there's still the $74,69 shipping fee, not to mention potential customs fees, so I still have ways to go with this.

I also had some issues with the payment so I had to call the bank real quick and while it went through on the website it didn't register on my account yet. Hopefully that'll go through and Joe will let me know it's all good.

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what are the recommended AliExpress keyboard brands? sale is on for another 20mins. I can get pic related, Apayado K61, for $18.

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>>108455106
There's also this for €25. It's a bit pricey, but it looks cool.

>>108455106
>>108455137
Someone answer me, the clock is ticking.

>>108455106
Epomaker Aula is the usual. I don't know.

MX Blacks on Alu make me HARD
Glare TKL makes me HARDER

how come no one's using Epsilons or Tangerines in their endgame builds?

creamy lubed thocky cocks

anything worth getting on drop?

>>108456561
Whatever MT3 sets are left.

>>108456561
Move through the scraps of MT3 sets and GMK sets left

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ugh

new fourchanical goyboard general
>>108456697
>>108456697
>>108456697

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>Glare TKL