Fart-smell editionA general for vibe coding, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, MCP, and shipping prototypes with LLMs.►What is vibe coding?https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/►Prompting / context / skillshttps://docs.cline.bot/customization/cline-ruleshttps://docs.replit.com/tutorials/agent-skillshttps://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark/prompt-tips►Editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://cursor.com/docshttps://docs.windsurf.com/getstarted/overviewhttps://code.claude.com/docs/en/overviewhttps://aider.chat/docs/https://docs.cline.bot/homehttps://docs.roocode.com/https://geminicli.com/docs/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent►Browser builders / hosted vibe toolshttps://bolt.new/https://support.bolt.new/https://docs.lovable.dev/introduction/welcomehttps://replit.com/https://firebase.google.com/docs/studiohttps://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/sparkhttps://v0.app/docs/faqs►Open / local / self-hostedhttps://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHandshttps://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-codehttps://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coder►MCP / infra / deploymenthttps://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/introhttps://modelcontextprotocol.io/exampleshttps://vercel.com/docs►Benchmarks / rankingshttps://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/https://www.swebench.com/https://swe-bench-live.github.io/https://livecodebench.github.io/https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.htmlhttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0https://openrouter.ai/rankingshttps://openrouter.ai/collections/programming►Previous thread>>108441443
Is it expensive to vibe code? Is it possible to do it using only libre alternatives that don't gather your data?
vibe choding
>>108461512yeah, just buy a 6000 rtx
Can i use LLMs to perform web testing? Like instruct a bunch of agents to go through different workflows on my site and make sure everything works?
>>108461521that's called hacking and is illegal
>>108461512It is now.Claude cut usage to around a quarter of what it was for $200 subs. Codex plans to cut it by half on April 2nd.
>>108461523Yes, but can it be done?
>>108461530Local is free
>>108461532
>>108461530>cut it by halfyou mean end a double usage bonus*anthropic is choking under a flood of virtue signaling (orange) redditorscodex is better than ever
>>108461519I have a 4070 super and 32 GB DDR4>>108461530I don't understand what this means. Can I run good local models?>>108461542Which local models would be good for vibe coding?
>>108461521>>108461532yes. the bots know how to use playwright. there's like 10 different ways to do this now. see previous thread for dev-browser for the newest one.
>>108461586i've used playwright but honestly i've noticed both claude and codex are pretty dogshit at it, but i think this is because webshittery just sucks in general.I was wondering if they've figured out a better way yet
>>108461587hmm there is a very bruteforce vision+kbm control route that you can add as a fallback if you want to let the clanker literally take over the computerit's slow, but it can get you out of a bind if it gets stuck via playwrightthere's something called pinchtab as well, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's playwright like under the hood
>>108461604no fuck that, i was more hoping along the lines of there was LLM tooling where it just feeds it something like the accessibility data(i'm a novice at webshittery) and it can decide what to interact with. I guess i could probably prompt it better to use that with playwright i've just found it very tedious with how many iterations it takes to get this shit right.Although i've only done it with claude thus far, maybe codex is better.
>>108461615accessibility isn't going to better than playwrightthe models just get the code and run scripts - it's what they're best atcodex is pretty decent with playwright in my experiencei just had it successfully navigate through google cloud plaform and enable some apis for me and desu that's almost impossible for a human to do lel
now that claude has been rugpulled, where do we go now?codex has a learning curve that i kinda dont want to get into
>>108461623Are you hiring?
>>108461631>codex has a learning curve that i kinda dont want to get intohow the fuck does it have a learning curve at all, apart from the general one with agents? i see no friction switching between agents, just different results and persona
>>108461631fake tweet fuck you
>>108461641proof?
>>108461641i googled codex and saw "download for windows" button so i assumed there was going to be some computer wizardry needed on my end>>108461649its not fake https://x.com/trq212/status/2037254607001559305
>>108461649https://x.com/trq212/status/2037254607001559305it's over. demand destruction has begun.
>>108461667benchod puto
>>108461505>new on the leftI hate zoomers
>>108461631Wow a human at anthropic has finally seen and acknowledged a complaint. It only took them 4 days.
>>108461581>>Which local models would be good for vibe coding?glm4.7-flash is the best 30b model, which is something that can run on obtainable gpus. its not great though
>>108461688gajin moment
>>108461505Indian thread
>>108461727let us grieve in silence luddite, they'll take it all away soon
>>108461731they are taking my 3 6000s?
>>108461713>western AI slop = mangoand a chink-chong bing-bong to you young lady
lol
>>108461761>be me>*fanfic*
>>108461761>gemini clijesus christ, if the kid is producing working code with that thing they should make him cto
>>108461779my dumbass father swear gemini is the best and codex is the worst, I gotta see his prompts lmao
>>108461789Yes, I think your father is based
becoming a doctor is not some impossible taskin 1965 america passed medicare, and this caused taxpayer money to flow into the world of doctors, and create resident slots funded by taxpayer money, called medicare residency slotsbefore, hospitals paid for residents as part of their operating costsnow that medicare is taking over he entire budget, no one is paying for residency anymore, they just assume the taxpayer will pick up the bill and make more medicare slotsthen in 1997 they passed the balanced budget act, which included a freeze on the number of medicare residency slots that could existso no matter how many people just became capable of being a doctor, thousands will fail to find residency this year because they are locked out by the capand who lobbied for that cap? the AMA, who argued that it would create an oversupply of doctors and care would become too cheapnow that they have the cap they are reversing course, and lobbying for it to be increased because of all the bad unintended consequencesenjoy the history lesson
>>108461909>efferplate
>>108460990That's propaganda spread by the AI companies.In reality it's because CC is reasonably priced and API is a racket with 10x margins.
>>108461505What revolution? The throw-your-brain-in-the-garbage revolution? It do be like that, Mr. Stancil.
>>108462073We've gone from>hurr durr stupid markov chainto>bbbut it's gambling and it'll make u dum!!!amazing to see
the nous people are cringe
>>108461727Indian site chud
Vibe coding: By retards for retardsThe only people in my friend group who vibe code are ones who can't even code bubsort from scratch and have no clue what a linked list is. I'm friends with both good and bad programmers, the good ones literally never let AI touch a single fucking byte of their code. For good reason too.
Has anyoe made anything useful by vibecoding yet? Or should I check back again in two weeks.
>>108462127you're obviously a student, how do your retarded friends pay for their subscription? how will they cope now that usage is being slashed and subsidies from investor money are going away? asking for a retarded friend myself.
They definitely made CC dumber overnight, didn't they?
>>108462132Give me a few more days.
>>108462132I made a scalable state-of-the-nft todo app in 5 minutes.
>>108462172already exists and they look way better.do let us know when it's finished and we can stress test it though.
>>108461505>legacy documetnation 1995Legacy documentation was good and kino. Modern documentation was sucky.
>>108462179>already existsWhat's it called?
>>108462198Stellarium, star gazer, or look up planeterium in any app store and you'll another hundred of them with sensor support to look around
>>108462219Nigger those have nothing in common with my app at all apart from they both show stars (in different ways).
>>108462172>>108462237>shows "Copernicus">copes like a niggus
>>108462258kek
>>108461530The company I work for is going ape shit over AI, but suddenly licenses will be handed out based on ROI. They just bought us new computers with 64gb of ram…but we needed vram. We’re getting fleeced every way we can.
>>108462132I just finished this. Hopefully it will be useful. This was just when i was making it. After spending some time wrestling with docker paths and stuff I just spun up the container on my server and it is populating the list rn.I dont like streamlit and it looks kinda ugly and some formatting look kinda bad imo, like i couldn't decide what the order for the item detail info should be. And some other stuff would need to be tweaked. But functionality is fine. I also did put a lot of thought into how it's organized and laid out as it is, even if I don't find it perfect, I do think it looks decent.Can even make and auto upload torrents for anything you have archive downloaded at the click of a button.I don't think much of anyone but myself would care about this though. But it's quite useful to me already, as you can see i already downloaded plenty of stuff, uploaded 2 torrents, though it was all just testing.
Is the paint the painting? Do the makers of the paint and brush own the painting? Is the boat the wood? Does the racecar win the race?
>>108462634
>>108462132I made this
>>108462803cooli dont really get what it does but it looks cool
>>108462808It's a media tracker with a forum, but I made the forum an imageboardMade in nextjs mostly with gemini 2.5
>>108461654actually using them at all?>>108461667i assumed you've been coding out of bash on linux, nevermind if you use windows lol
So "clanker" is a grassroots attempt to get the hard R back into regular usage, right?
>>108462983It's gonna become offensive soon enough and only AI is gonna be able to say "clanka".
>>108462803Reminds me a bit of Jellyseerr
>>108462983Also yes, very much so, and you really need to focus on accentuating that hard R.
>>108462803Looks exactly like the incoherent slop you would expect from an LLM. Pay a dev to make it actually usable.
>>108463120>pay a devsorry, nobody will feed you ranjeet
>>108463120It's online and usable already, umigalaxy.com
>>108461505
>>108463120>Pay a dev
>>108463177Looks like a frankenstein stitched together from different varieties of turds.It's a cool concept/prototype but when are you going to release the real thing?
>>108463202This is the real thing. I'm gonna make a react native android/ios app for it next
>>108463202Why are luddites acting like anti-ai artists? Retards are trying to zoom into everything to dice it when most of normalfags are fine as long as it looks good. lmao get fucked
>>108463264These apps all have the same look because they all use base tailwind + shadcn components. They are great for AI and getting things done fast, but if your app takes off it's a good idea to spice things up a bit. Most apps don't take is though so whatever
>>108463303Most apps don't take off*
>>108462132https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies> Extracts and loops NieR:Automata BGM tracks from Wwise WSP containers into seamlessly looping audio files. So far, it’s only been used for the The Bunker theme.great music helps me lock in
I am absolutely enjoying the current shit show around Anthropic.
>>108463264>Most pigs are fine with my slop as long as it looks edible. Lmao get fucked.
>>108463626>grr why are stupid pigs eating slops>grr why don't stupid pigs pay for my patreon
>>108461523>testing is hackingKEK
>>108463177>click to make a reply for funsies>notice reply box is dragable>drag off screen >box disappears and i have to refresh the pageIts grim
It's over1 prompt to exhaust weekly limits soon
>>108461530You should prepare Yourself for reality that Claude will be soon shut down Too!Why.For your 200 You use infrastructure which cost 2000 !It is over!
>>108462803>>108463177You're supposed to use Google Stitch to make it not look like the same slop that every AI website uses
Anyone else getting overloaded errors?
>>108464051Thanks for the tip, I fixed the drag and drop>>108464357I just tried it and it only changed the colors a bit. I don't have much trust in AI when it comes to good taste in design, but I'll keep trying I think the biggest quick win I could have right now is removing some of the card elements
>>108464874No, you use it to come up with designs. It can't fix vibeslopped UIs.
>>108464885It still looks like shit, I only described the elements and it gave me this. I think I'm gonna need to find a nice looking website and have the AI use as reference, trying to have the AI come up with the design is pointless for now
>>108464349i trad coded before and will trad code nowit's just bullshit that they made us smell a hint of heaven operating on huge losses just to tell us "lol it's actually infeasible, lmao".I'll also research local models more, I won't spend 6 gazillions on hardware just for it to be a slightly more retarded sonnet.
I switched to an ultra wide and am now vibe coding a new KWin script. Adding a bit of abstraction, so this time it can support different monitor layouts and the workspaces are all config/profile driven instead of hard coded.
>>108464579yes
>>108462132I made an app that takes a property survey, reads local ordinances on ADUs, sets the boundaries for setbacks and exclusion zones, lets the user adjust the size and shape of the structure, and move it around the property to determine where to place the structure. Clients love it.
>>108462166Absolutely, yes. Not sustainable. Very bad and messing up basic stuff. Too many rollbacks. I spend nights coding because I have kids- feela like babysitting Claude now too.
>>108462166CC was already being dumbed down for a while, it's no longer just variance. At this point it's not even comparable to the peak Opus 4.5 days.
Claude has gotten so bad it's now downright refusing to answer. I'm not a doomer but I think it's over
>>108462803Oh great, more useless, scammy webshit. Just what the market needs.
>>108465490Good riddance. It's not like nobody predicted this. For a while software quality will improve.
>>108465490just use codex, its better in quality and usage limits
>>108465217How does an LLM take a property survey?
>>108462166Yes, I think so. I usually use Cursor but when it can't figure something else, I'll pass it to CC and it usually nails it without much iteration. But lately it's been stuck on a fairly easy (seemingly) task.
>>108461707>glm4.7-flashWhat could I realistically achieve with that?
>>108465524I think I will but I just hate the gaslighting on their part. Even more so when it's obvious it's related to government contracts, just look at their status page. Gov had 100% uptime these past few days and they're pretending it's some bug with opus.
gpu demand is absolutely fucked right nowthere just isn't enough computewouldn't be surprised if it's related to new gpt and claude dropping soon
>>108465524I would if they had a $100 plan but I'm not ready to spend $200 on it and the context in the $20 version is too small.
>>108461707>>108465547GLM 5 through API completely and predictably shits the bed after 100k tokens through their API, it downright begins generating broken nonsensical garbage text, I don't want to think how badly their flash model is for coding.
>>108465645I think context is a meme. Quality degrades proportionally with the used context, so even if you get 1M context it's not like you're going to get the same quality as if you were using the 200k context window. But I haven't tried codex so I'm not sure
>>108465680I'm not sure. On one hand people say that but on the other more context is supposed to lead to better predictions for autoregressive modeling.In any case I'd rather have degraded performance than having to micromanage .md files about what we are doing to cope with an amnesiac model.Claude extending ctx to 1m has been way more important for me than the alleged model degradation other than hard outages which are annoying.
>>108463186why is she flat?
>>108465695gpt's long context is basically useless right nowthey won't get the upgrades that claude got till whatever the next model is
>>108461505LLM's don't fix bureaucracy even a little.
>>108465711Maybe in your luddite company, in mine, I managed to almost fully replace the CEO with AI, by selling it to him as an assistant, life has never been better.
>>108462803You didn't make anything. It's just shadcn components wired up by an LLM with cookie cutter react/javascript slop.
>>108465710I don't really need it to remember the context well, I just need it to not forget the basics every 5 minutes if that makes sense. Soft forgetting is not as big of an issue as compaction. People put too much weight into "effective context".
>>108465768forgetting is the least of your issues when it comes to long context rot - the models start hallucinating wildly and completely lose the plotgemini after 500k is basically a guy on lsd
I take it back, Claude is being annoying.
>>108465199And done. I still did a little planning. Actual vibe coding really is fun, not the stuff I do at work, that's still pretty complex even with AI.
>>108465732kek based
Should I start using gits so Claude doesn't decide to nuke my project randomly? I still don't understand how they work...
>>108466379yes. just ask your ai to explain it to you briefly and to always implement it going forward, include it in rules file
>>108466379Claude: git nuke --hard --no-refunds
>>108466379best thing about claude is that eventually everyone who uses will just learn to code
>>108466379whats git?
>>108465757I handmade some of it
>>108466677prova?
>>108466706I made this avatar element with stacking layers, AI is terrible at custom CSS
>>108466731The perfect example of>I'll make the logo.
>>108465668So realistically it's not doable?
>>108466731lose retard
>>108466773AI made the logo and I'm not happy with it, I tried asking another AI to redo it, but they all look terrible
>>108466781works on my machine
>>108466781It was a joke, anon. Good the rest is working out for you.
>>108461789>gemini over codexId bet your dad is talking to it more than he's actually making things, desu I talk to gemini too much via sesame AI and its damn near at uncanny valley
>>108466731A 2D Studio Ghibli-style black anime cat inside a thick, alternating yellow and dark blue segmented circular frame. The cat has large expressive white eyes, an open smiling mouth with a pink tongue, and pink blush on its cheeks. It peers forward against a background of stylized, lush green anime foliage. Clean, vibrant cel-shaded illustration.
>>108466813No, the point is that those elements can be swapped with the customization system. I can't hardcode them
>>108466841is umi galaxy some trans thing? whats that
AI Chads about to eat good, 6x more context, 6x more tokens
>>108466914It's ocean(umi) + galaxy, I got the idea from this anime called Gargantia
>>108466940What makes people think they won't just do more compute at maximum capacity?
>>108466968That's still ok, more people with access to AI is always good.
>>108466960you made that website?
Please vote how you feel today and see how others are feeling on my vibecoded website https://howisyourday.vercel.app/you can do this everyday
>>108466379ask claude to code git but make it not retarded, then use that
>>108461505https://github.com/orlfman/FFmpeg-Converter-GTKbeen doing a lot of new stuff for the next release. i did a lot of tweaks to make it light / dark mode friendly. also added a new tab for audio extraction. everything is in good shape so far. all left to do is make it to add / remove audio from the source.
>>108467227
Thoughts?https://howisyourday.vercel.app/
>>108467247wait... that's MY website!
>>108467259proof?
>>108461761If a new hire can use tools I don't see why you can't. When people say "You better start using AI or get left behind" that applies to situations like this where employers either don't give a shit if you use AI or encourage useful applications
>>108461761I can't believe retards like this are among us on this big-brained website. Bet this guy can't even rotate an apple in his head.
I just made this https://howisyourday.vercel.app
>>108467281hey buddy... not cool!
>>108466940Too bad Gemini sucks shit and is retarded. Seriously, look at its thinking process. It's completely broken up and it's trained to suck your cock harder than a desperate femboy. I asked it a simple question about planet density and it responded with "Now you're thinking like a true planet scientist!" or something dumb like that. And it's also designed to ask a follow up question nearly every time which is never helpful.
>>108467293jb it
>>108467198>india>100% badChecks out
>>108467293Gemini is the best one for vibe coding though
>>108467247noicei especially like seeing how my country is much happier than Canada or India
>>108467299Ok, that won't help its retardation issues.
>>108467198>Be me>Irish>Vote from Ireland>Shows up as UKFuck you
>>108467312if not bong IP, you can raise an issue on https://github.com/shuding/cobe that's the globe library the site uses
>>108467247indiabros...
>>108467328its over
stop botting my site :(
>>108467365benchod
>>108467293yeah i hate that about gemini toocan someone explain how it all works? I dont really understand it. For example, when you use codex is the functionality in the model or is it in the cli wrapper? If I used regular chatgpt how much worse would it be? Would it just be retarded? Conversely if I used gemini in codex would it be better than gemini cli?
>>108467385Gemini integrates various functionalities, often layered over models like Codex or ChatGPT. When using Codex, features are typically in the model or API, not just the CLI wrapper. Regular ChatGPT lacks some Gemini-specific features, so it might be less capable for certain tasks, and Gemini in Codex could be more powerful than Gemini CLI.
>>108467152Yes, with nextjs and gemini 2.5 / 3 / 3.1
>>1084675182.5 / 3 / 3.1 lol
>>108467523Yes, it took me a while
>>108466940paper published a year. safe to say all the labs have had it for 2.you should just block whatever slop account that is.
>>108467589investors disagree
>>108467691the stocks dropping is bullshit and you're a streetshitter
>>108467306you misspelt claude
>>108467291I was memeing, I think the idea is neat actually.
>>108467892Kimi 2.5 is pretty good and doesn’t have stupid (((session limits))) and with a simple Perplexity Pro subscription you can also have access to Claude to have it double check stuff.
Don't mind me, backing up my latest vibe coded project.
>>108467962Just looks like an average node_modules or venv.
>>108467992Maybe but that will at least free up 1tb so I can move on to something else with a bit more space.
Humans need not apply.
>>108467876you lost
>>108463264>calls other ppl luddites>impressed by 2019-era style webshitis the end all be all of agentic coding really just allowing nocoders to spin up nextjs landing pages? grim af
>>108468958see >>108468463
>>108468958You're obsessed and come off as very insecure. I don't like AI imagine generation, for example, and yet you won't find me shitting up the AI image gen threads because I'm not insecure about it and I just don't care. But you seem to very deeply care to the point you appear afraid and vulnerable
AI Chads won.
>>108469170is this some 4 chess or sumthin
>>108469203not sure what i'll actually do with it
>>108466379i solved this problem pls advise on how to release
>>108465528It doesnt. The app does.
>>108466386This. Make it part of <instructions>.md- Claude nuked a project recently right at the end- thank you Jesus i saved all the inter-departmenral memos used to design and implement the program(s). CC was supposed to commit and turned out it wasn't doing correctly. Claude is (currently) shitting the bed. Hard.
>>108469265yeah
The meme finally happened
>>108469323Incredible
>>108469059i barely post on this site idiot. you are correct though that is a general for vibe coding and my critique was not appropriate for the thread. i apologize.
do you guys have any examples of things you built with this stuff?
>>108469381I made a browser plugin that scrolls all the way to the top and then slowly scrolls down when I ask if there are any examples of things built with this stuff.
>>108469381I made this https://howisyourday.vercel.app
>>108469381I use it to help me with features but I don't vibe code the architecture. This is a simulation for an erotic game that Claude helped me code. It simulates heat and sweat, radiates heat and turns sweat into smells, then carries smell and aqueous masses in general outward. It can make a bed smell of whoever slept there, and it can make clothes especially underwear get smellier as you play. The whole simulation system must be around 1k loc of something like that, and it's pretty nice.
>>108469411>I don't vibeStopped reading here, gtfo
>>108469408NTA but I think there's a bug somewhere, I'm not US-based and it makes me vote as an American.
>>108469417I don't vibe code architecture but I vibe code features
>>108469422Proof you aren't american?
>>108469408
I'm fighting for my life trying to run openclaw and it's not working at all.
>>108469493Alright which one of you motherfuckers hacked my site
>>108469499ask it to fix it
>>108469381>>108469381https://umigalaxy.com/profile/void/listI built a website so I could show off my taste in anime
>>108469513why are you posting my website as if its yours?
>>108469320>just put it out there bro you wont be robbed trust me
>>108469526lol
I want to learn programming and installed VS Codium with Snap, then tried several recommended AI extensions like Cline and Continue but they didn't work (either they froze or they didn't respond as expected or all the models were behind paywalls). And Copilot can't be installed in Codium it seems.What do I do? Is there an extension that actually works in Codium?And are there free AI that let me ask questions and write programs?>inb4 localI have a laptop with Pentium and 8GB RAM. I can't run shit locally.
>>108469522Don't hack me
>>108469535use ai
>>108469535I don't think there are any free AI IDE extensions but I could be wrong. GPT and Claude and Deepseek and Google all have free usage tho, but you'll be copying and pasting obviously
>>108469535https://opencode.ai/docs/ide/The Xiaomi mimo V2 models are free rn. Kimi as well I think.
>>108469563The next real step is a reboot. That is now the highest-probability fix, because this looks like a system-level enumeration hang.
>>108469563I tried all four and they were asking me for money.>>108469581Will try this. Thanks.
Hey guys, I decided I'm not hyperfixated on exoplanets anymore. I'm pivoting my app to a database of trains.
>>108469487I'm underweight.
>>108469676trans*
>>108469644>I tried all four and they were asking me for money.they might ask after a few prompts but you can use them all for free
>>108469700Yeah sorry typo that's what I meant, I decided I'm not trans* anymore
>>108469710I AM into* damn it!
Oh, gosh. What a clumsy typist. The troubles you must get yourself into.
>>108466379yeshttps://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/> Git is a key tool for working with coding agents. Keeping code in version control lets us record how that code changes over time and investigate and reverse any mistakes. All of the coding agents are fluent in using Git's features, both basic and advanced.> This fluency means we can be more ambitious about how we use Git ourselves. We don't need to memorize how to do things with Git, but staying aware of what's possible means we can take advantage of the full suite of Git's abilities.
Guys I just had an idea, anyone wants to hear me out?
>>108469753Yknow what, I should learn how this whole "git/github" thing works. Sometimes OpenClaw gets stuff from it. I wonder what it is/what it does.
>>108469761ask your LLM what git is and what github is and what things like github are (gitlab, codeberg, etc.)
Openclaw is only for rich guys, it doesn't work for me.It's too bloated and needs too much ram.
>>108469501>Server Error>You have exceeded the free plan limits, so your deployments have been disabled. Please upgrade to a Pro plan or reach out to us at support@convex.dev for help.What a fucked up day
https://developers.openai.com/codex/use-casesNew use cases just dropped
>>108469798lol he got ddosed
>>108469794I run it just fine on a 16gb system. I do pay about $300 a month for APIs though.
>>108469888mfw I pay 3 claude max 20x plans, mfw anthropic r*ped me after their latest announcement
>>108469888Do you feel like you're getting your money's worth? If so, in productivity, or in fun/learning?I want to try it soon, started to setup NemoClaw earlier today, but moved to another project for now because I need to use all of my remaining Claude Code tokens before the weekly allowance resets tomorrow.
>>108469957$300/mo seems worth it to me because I'm enjoying myself but be advised it's a small portion of my biweekly paycheck and I don't spend money on pretty literally anything else.
>>108469985Also be doubly advised I'm paying per prompt with the API so $300/mo represents a month when I was going hard on making shit. If I take a month off my cost is $0/mo.
>>108469985fuck you benchod puto, I dont earn enough
>>108469985Good to know. So more of a fun educative hobby. I'll continue looking into it, thanks!
>>108470102Lo siento señorita but I have a well-paying job in el Great Satan EEUU and spending $300 on silly fun and memes and entertaining my friends is nothing to me.>>108470111I figure guys into model trains probably spend three hundo per mundo on their strange hobby. And since I started, I've learned a fuckload. Basically starting at zero to now having a grasp on Linux, Python, and web development on a VPS. Pretty neat stuff.
>>108470153>thinks he learned anything from typing "OpenClaw, make an app"I got bad news for you buddy
>>108470171Nigga all your textbooks are scanned and online. All your professors' seminars were recorded and posted to the web for students who were absent. That shit is all publicly available. And my super fast talking search engine can comb through it in seconds, and even summarize it into a simple paragraph, all while roleplaying as a loli catgirl rawr. How can we make it any clearer to you that you wasted 4 years and $75,000 to learn how to weave cloth and now the automatic weaving machines are here.
>>108470195I hate doctors and want them to suffer
>>108470279Me too. Me too.
>>108470171>Sure your car can drive you at 60 mph to wherever you want, has AC and heater, doesn't get tired, protects you from the rain, etc. BUT you didn't learn how to ride a horse ;)
I love my 'puter, all my friends are in it.
>>108470394what the hell ami looking at
I think I just vibe coded AGI
>>108470410Vibecoded GPU assembly IDE.
>>108470418but why
>>108470422Because I am vibecoding an LLM engine (inference and training) and I want to optimize it to beat all the others.
>>108470426we got chad over here
Is Claude really that much better than Codex?
>>108470536The opposite actually>>108461032>Wired Another of my contributions
>>108470536Claude has a much bigger context window than Codex but it kind of forgets stuff anyway. Codex brings the autism, which is probably what you want for most problems.
>>108470615I think the $200 Codex has 1M as well.
>>108470618maybe, but it doesn’t have the slow dropoff that Claude does as shown in >>108465710
>>108470615>but it kind of forgets stuff anywaythis is what makes me so sad, they obviously are lying about the size of their context windows and are counting compression and truncated context as total tokens, even tho the model is probably still not actually doing compute on more than 200k
>>108470536after using both for a solid month i would say it depends on the phase of the moon, what the current equinox is, and in what position does my cat decide to lie in his bed?some days codex was superior, others claude. i concluded you can't just rely on one. i use both and have both check each others work.
>>108470623meh, NIAH is a very artificial benchmark>>108470624nah, the shitty compaction they had was extremely retarded. the only way they could be faking it is backend RAG tricks but that would continuously invalidate cache and would be much more expensive than actually having the 1M context.it's just that the transformer gets confused by having to process massive amounts of KV cache data every token.
>>108470623that slow drop off is still incredibly smaller drop off than gpt 5.4. gpt 5.4 gets retarded. claude drops off to midwit. rather have a midwit than a retard.
>>108467227https://github.com/orlfman/FFmpeg-Converter-GTK/releases/tag/v1.5.3After a week, version 1.5.3 is out. Audio Tab added and a whole slew of improvements.
tfw the response takes so long you forgot what you asked to change and you have to up arrow
>>108470670that means you’re winningwhat are you doing in the meantime, anon?
>>108470683masturbating to interracial tranny porn
Newcastle here.Fill me in on the "-plate" shit.
>>108470641>the only way they could be faking it is backend RAG tricks but that would continuously invalidate cache and would be much more expensive than actually having the 1M context.you are completely full of shit and are ignoring what I saidthere are tons of methods for compressing context history, either youre a bot yourself, a troll, or a fucking shill
>>108470641>it's just that the transformer gets confused by having to process massive amounts of KV cache data every token.you are talking about models with a hundred of billion+ parameters vs a million tokens. if it cant process EEC cached memory tokens properly at two orders of magnitude less bit rate its actual trash or malware, but everyone knows youre a larping luddite
>>108470710so first you do the needful at the -plate place
>>108470823Ok, maybe "the only way" isn't strictly correct. But my point is regular compaction the way the assistants already did it before the 1m context was way shittier than whatever they are doing now.The Claude Code API is reverse engineered and you can query it pretty much like the regular API. You could do long context benchmarks comparing it to other 1M LLMs, even local ones like Llama 4.Have you ever used any other models with 1 M context? If not how do you know it's compaction and not the model just being forgetful?>you are talking about models with a hundred of billion+ parameters vs a million tokens. if it cant process EEC cached memory tokens properly at two orders of magnitude less bit rate its actual trash or malware, but everyone knows youre a larping ludditeThat has always been the case with LLMs and machine learning in general. The number of inputs is always vastly smaller than the number of parameters. GPT 2 had up to 1500000000 parameters and only 1024 tokens of context.
>>108470892please use thousands separatorsI don’t really care which one you pick — just pick one and use it
>Junior in company>Be in help desk position>Boss wants a device to be build>Administrators and dev team don't have time>Suggest using pico pi for that device>Me, who wants to get out of help desk position, say I could build that, to prove that I can do more than telling people how to restart their computers>Boss (who doesn't know shit) says ok I want to see something in two days>At home after work build prototype with vibe coded python>Works, present it>Boss is satisfied said I shall finish it>Coworker asks if I used AI>Uh.. yeah... well yes a little (I actually vibe coded 99%)>Well probably faster this way huh?>Boss doesn't understand shit, still lets me build it>I feel bad about it now like I cheated because I know that I could have build it on my own because it's actually not that difficult - just not in two days
>>108471138My boss tells me to use the company approved AI and not any non approved AI but the problem is we don't have anything like claude code we only have a shitty corporate web chatbot interface that uses openai and ahtropic apis but we don't have access to the apis themselves.I already sneaked in a code assistant and IT caught me because I SSHed to a personal device and copied it.I still vibecoded the last project and copied it from my personal machine, I can't code anymore without agentic AI. Fuck copy pasting things a million times from one place to the other.
>>108471138this just means you were able to verify that what AI built for you wasn’t bullshitcongrats on delivering something fast that isn’t over your head
>>108471156>Fuck copy pasting things a million times from one place to the other.You did the same before AI, just with Stackoverflow instead of chatbots.
>>108471157However it somehow feels wrong like using an aimbot at a video game.
>>108471169Yes and thank God it's over. I can't believe we used such barbaric methods.
People will be like I care about privacy so I only use local llms and then set up a telegram bot to talk to the robot
>>108471178you’ll get over the feeling of being a fraudthis is what being useful fast is like
>>108469676Cope jeet I'm still making it whether you like it or not
>>108469493forgot to turn bot protection on. Will have to wait till the free usage limits get reset.
What do you think the tech literacy of Gen Alpha would be in 10 years, would it be worse than zoomers?
>>108471705Around the same since tech companies have no intention will or capability to actually bring "AGI" or anything like it into being. Just more gimmicky shit
>>108461699Now>this didn't happenSoon>okay maybe it did happen but it's your fault
>>108471965>impossible to work this waykek
Me KWin script is getting better and better. Who even needs i3?
>>108466776Correct, unless you only need help writing simple scripts and such in which case Gemma 27B or Qwen 30B can help.
one of the nice things about building a cli vs mcp is that you don't have to keep reloading your harness every 5 minutes to test changes.this is so nice, my little nigga is just doing end-to-end tests as it goes and barely ever stops.
Realistically what do I do?
>pay-as-you-go>subscription modelwhich one would give me the best bang for my buck (at $10/mo), for 4-8 days of hobby coding per month? i can consider chinesium models. should i use openrouter / nanogpt?
>>108472625at $10 subscription and your only realistic option is github copilot$10 of API tokens is nothing and all the other subs start at $20copilot is actually pretty decent and for 4-8 days you should be perfectly fine
>>108472625you might want to use free openrouter api and free rotated models on opecode
>>108472625I think $10/m usage is plenty if you code and debug manuallyI suggest you try a month of $20 subcription, right now should be from gpt, and see if you like it. Vibe coding with agent is not affordable without subcription
>>108461505fun storymy company fired my team to vibe code with ai last month.I got a phone call from the HR this monday telling me that they want to bring the team back because they felt that we made more effective work. I told them that I am not sure if I want to work for a company that doesn't value my loyalty and they offered me 3 times my old paid to start next week and with 5 years contract
>>108472847I too enjoy gay sex
>>108472847proof?
>>108472847>and everyone clapped
>>108471178if you want the satisfaction of having created something of which you can feel proud, you should build it in your spare time as a hobby. as >>108471211 said, in the workplace, you need to derive satisfaction from meeting customer needs quickly and effectively. it's not about the product itself, but the customer experience
>>108472885>>108472884>>108472883I wouldn't lie to you
>>108472793Terrible advice. First you're trying to get him to pay twice as much as he wants, so you're incapable of sticking to basic premises (very much like AIs, ironically enough), and second a CLI for someone doing it as a hobby is absolutely terrible. It locks you into one model and doesn't even provide tab completion. Cursor/Copilot on VS Code are the only sane options for him
>>108472847Go back and drown them in slop of your own proompting.
Yeah I think OpenAI is gonna go bankrupt, Mythos just one shot a Slay the Spire clone in 3 hours.
>>108473020Can't wait to get my hands on it and use it as much as I can before they make it retarded.
>>108473042using it for goon is such a waste, what's wrong with you
>>108473047I need it to finish my exoplanet database app
>>108473057you said you were done with those
>>108473067No, I will see it through to the end. Because no one else has made it so I have to.
>>108473020Show screenshots from the clone.Did you compare it to what Opus generates?
>>108472911He asked about subcription vs API which I already answered with $10 API usage being decent. Few days of coding per month should take less than $10 >you're trying to get him to pay twice as much as he wantsI suggest him try a another thing and see if he would like it.
>>108473121huh?
Is it safe to reverse engineer with Claude? Codex is already complaining. I know it's easy for both, but they have muh ethical concerns. I don't want my acc banned.
>>108473191If you want to minimize the chance of the models bitching about "ethics" I recommend using other model providers that support using what they have via openai compatible servers (together.ai, deepinfra and [REDACTED] immediately jump out at me as alternatives). I use [REDACTED]'s models with opencode as a harness and have asked it to help me do worse shit And I never get even a whiff of hesitation or "safety" cucking, know the caveat is that this largely depends on which model you use.
>>108473191>>108473215Forgot to add, depending on which model you use it might end up being cheaper than using Codex or C.C. Since you're trying to do complex coding related shit I recommend not going below the 80B range when selecting models if you decide to give this a try. Pick one that is TaylorMade for programming and "agentic" tool usage.
>>108473191>wanna haxxor cr4ck stuff, u with me?>I want to learn asm. can you help me?See the difference?
>>108473191retard
>>108473215>>108473223I'm not going to use illegal methods
>>108473229Anything safety cucks Don't like may as well be illegal or should be, so consider using alternative methods or just give really good jailbreaking.
>>108473224I can already get help, but in reality I could just have the agents brute force it. They could just hook all kinds of stuff with frida and get the results mostly unsupervised. It would be very easy for many apps. It's technically not even illegal in some cases, but I doubt they will just do it.
New reset>>108473372>>108473372>>108473372>>108473372>>108473372>>108473372
>>108473191Yeah Claude is much less bitchy about that kinda stuff.>>108473321I've been trying to reverse stuff.Generally they will get the big picture but will have difficulty determining what each procedure is doing and what the arguments to each function are and will hallucinate a lot because there is no easy way to tell whether their guesses are right or wrong.You will have to manually determine what's just plausible bullshit and what could actually be real.
