>>108473940
AM5 and 3D v-cache is dogshit.
Can't recommend it to a soul with how many problems I'm having with it.
I should have just bought a priced up 5800X3D and stayed on AM4.
AM5 literally is what I had nightmares about when I originally switched from a i5 3570k to a Ryzen 3700X

>>108473955
this post convinced me to go with intel

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>>108473955
the only issues im having is that ddr5 is still sun-baked sidewalk dog shit covered in white fuzzy mold in spite of now being nearly EOL. I accepted the issues when it was brand new, those are typical, but I've never seen a generation of ram like this before that just starts with a shart and ends with a fart. I miss DDR4. shit just werked, 2 sticks, 4 sticks, didn't matter. and it was way easier to tune.

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>>108473967
So true me

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>>108473975
>this post convinced me to go with intel
as it should be! me (a redditmod) and all my friends (other redditmods) only exclusively use intel processors for our modding duties. only intel can provide the safety to moderate and will to dillate.

>>108474004
i read this post in a thick indian accent

>>108474012
>i read this post in a thick indian accent
gud saar intel needs your full sapport (intel had a terrible decade)

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't buy a pre built HP to make AI goon content besides "it's gay" or "overpriced".

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is there a way to test a ram stick if its faulty?
for some reason my pc didn't to post, and after troubleshooting it turns out it was one of the sticks

>>108473982
AMD FineWine(tm) Technology was retired after Tahiti. Used to be you could expect better api support and improvements even a decade after buying a card, now you can look forward to owning abandonware 2 yrs after purchase. With Radeon, every gpu purchase is like buying a gtx 200 card right before DirectX 11 released.

>>108474004
uh-oh intelcvcks cant stop losing.

>>108474040
take one stick out, try to boot. test stability. should be apparent pretty quickly if you left the bad stick in. If it's fine, put that stick back in then take out the other stick and repeat.

>>108474040
if it doesn't POST either the stick or the slot is faulty
simple as
(or one of the channels in your memory controller has died, but that's rare)

>>108474040
https://www.memorytesters.com/ramcheck_lx/ramcheck-lx-ddr4-pro-ddr3-tester.html

>>108474042
Kek.
>>108473975
I'm not even joking, I'm considering selling my AM5 stuff off as "cursed" and just buy the 270k? is it?
All I want to do is run emulators, but fucking if my PC kills itself when I open file explorer to import a file, what's the point?
It's so unbelievably unstable I'm actually seething
I drop over a grand on parts and I want them to just work.

>>108474029
proprietary hardware

>>108474054
could also be windows being trash. all my instability has been windows-related.

>>108474040
>is there a way to test a ram stick if its faulty?
Disable XMP/EXPO or your manual memory overclock first.
Disable your CPU overclock and/or undervolt if you're not sure if it's stable.

Run this memory testing program afterward, you will need a USB storage drive.
https://www.memtest.org/

Memtest86+ isn't stressful enough to catch memory OC instabilities, but your memory module(s) are most likely cooked if that program catches any error.
If Memtest86+ reports a memory error, it's time to error check single memory module at a time (in A2 slot if you have a 4-DIMM slot board).

>>108474054
You never owned am5 and it shows

>>108474054
Just wait for Nova Lake if you can.

>>108474068
Windows hates AMD and updates purposely fuck AMD installs.

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>>108474068
I've not actually tested Windows 10 or Linux, so maybe, copium, but the motherboard alone has EMI issues *actual* EMI issues, so I don't trust it.
>>108474081
Suck my cock nigger
>>108474082
Wait fagging I'm fine with, thanks to Trump nuking the global economy for Israel, the value of my hardware keeps going up, even if I hate it.

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What do you guys think of this?
Canada computers has a good deal on the mobo, cpu, and ram. All 3 for 800 CAD before taxes.
I don't know a lot about motherboards so I was hoping someone could tell me if it's a good deal or not.
Also does anyone know if I can save some money elsewhere? Should I go for a 9060 xt? How much worse is it compared to the 9070 xt?

>>108474096
>Suck my cock n-word
this is a blue board. slurs and racism will not be tolerated. Moderate yourself, kid.

Its a ddr4 SODIMM stick so i cant rly throw it in an other machine to try.
just ordered a new stick on market place bc im a poorfag

>>108474048
did this but everytime that stick was in it didnt post.
>>108474052
luckily both slots are fine
>>108474053
might come in handy if you own a shop
>>108474073
its an older laptop from 2018. my guesses are its just faulty or corrupt as i had stability issues before

>>108474115
How about you squat shit in your Peruvian village you turd worlder.

>>108474106
Forgot to mention I'm looking to play games at 1440p, with a decent frame, at least 60 fps but I want to play most at 144 fps. I do want to play monster hunter wilds, idk I think this should be good for at least 60 fps in that game.

>>108474123
Instead of getting hardware that'll be EOL in a year, get a used RTX 4080 for the same price.

>>108474127
Really? Why would the 9070 xt go EoL already? Didn't it come out a year ago?

>>108474132
AMD doesn't care and will rug pull you like all the other AMD marks.
I actually trust Intel Arc drivers and support more than AMD.

>>108474137
Don't feed the Nvidia troll. He is having his weekly mental breakdown.

>>108474146
Is this really a thing?
I fucking hate this site why does every board and general have a scizo?
Anyways I shouldn't have to worry about any of those parts going EoL then correct?

>>108474143 This was meant for >>108474137
>>108474152
I'm not a schizo, I'm legitimately dealing with AM5 issues and venting. AMD on the GPU side has shown that it will not support your cards, the same people that bought the RX 7000 series and got rugpulled, 6000 the same, meanwhilst the RTX 2000 series is still getting drivers and DLSS updates.
It's just common sense, I legitimately was going to pull the trigger on a RX 9070 XT until I saw RTX 4080s for the same price at which DLSS and muh features are just a better value.

>>108474152
No saar you got full sapport
>Is this really a thing?
>I fucking hate this site why does every board and general have a scizo?
Unfortunately. Nvidia fanboys lost their minds. Lately they play pretend with Intel to 'own' the 'Amdjeets'. It's childish here.

>>108474152
See >>108474167
This person is clearly unhinged. Last thread he claimed to have issues with his 9070xt. He is making shit up. Look at his writing style, clearly a mental patient.

>>108474180
How demented are you? I posted my specs here? >>108474096
It's not my fault that AM5 BSODs when I open file manager.

>>108474106
I think buying a Radeon GPU is probably not great, but the rest of the setup is rock solid and will do great for almost any game. At 1440p you don't necessarily need a motherfucker of a graphics card, and it is one of the best spots to create flexibility in your pricing. VRAM remains an important consideration in all cases.

>>108474202
>I think buying a Radeon GPU is probably not great
Is it a drivers thing?
>At 1440p you don't necessarily need a motherfucker of a graphics card
Any card you'd recommend or should I just make sure I get a good amount of VRAM?

>>108474233

>Any card you'd recommend o
9070xt for gaming

>>108474240
Can confirm I play 4k ultra with mine

>>108474233
nta, I disagree with him, after getting VRAPED with my RTX 3070 and seeing how much modern video games are asking for VRAM wise, I would at minimum get a 16GB VRAM card as most the games I was playing were actually asking for 14GB~ of VRAM usually.
Hence why I'm shilling the RTX 4080 in that price range, but that is something you've not really mentioned.
You've mentioned wanting to game at 1440p but not the games themselves you're planning to play.
Wanting to play EU4 or HOI4 at 1440p is far different than wanting to play Crimson Desert at 1440p

>>108474233
2021 April - I bought an 3060ti. 3 months later I started to experiment with crossdressing. 6 months later I sucked cock.

Fast forward to 2025 July - bought a 9070 gpu. 3 months later I got a cute goth gf. 8 months later we had our first child.

>>108474233
Most of these people are right about getting a 4080. The Radeon graphics cards are powerful and cheap, AND the drivers are open source which makes them more compatible with Linux operating systems. However there has been talk about outdated drivers and early end of life for graphics cards. The other thing is that most of the games that you want to play that require a high end graphics cards are using proprietary features that are native to Nvidia graphics cards, like RTX and DLSS. AMD graphics cards have to work harder to replicate the same features because they are not built into the architecture of the AMD card. Nvidia has been winning in part because they have been using monopolistic practices and encouraging developers to integrate proprietary features that are native to their cards into games and engines. You can fight the good fight, or you can buy a card that works for things you want it to work for. In the meantime, your Nvidia graphics card will be pricier and tied to Microslop

>>108474233
>Is it a drivers thing?
You're not getting any future features, see fsr and rdna3 + just in general amd gpus have been aging worse than the nvidia equivalent.

>>108474233
Listen to your inner Chad. It whispers a brand name. Tell us which one.

>>108474253
Well one game I want to play right now is monster hunter wilds.
I'd like to play RDR2 at some point as well.
I can't think of other games I want to play right now but I'm sure something will come out that seems cool to me, my current computer would kill itself if I try to run wilds.
I also would like to emulate some PS3 games, and bloodborne once that works well.
>>108474253
>>108474287
>>108474292
Ok, I think you guys have convinced me to go with Nvidia. Do you guys think a 4070 would be enough? I wouldn't want to upgrade again for at least 5 years. Even if it means playing at lower settings.

>convincing more people to buy shittyvidia overpriced garbage obsolete next year instead of the best price to performance card of the generation the 9070 xt

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I think the more people that buy AMD the better. Wouldn't ever do it myself though.

>>108474315
9070 XT is fine if you're happy with FSR4 and having to use Optiscaler for most games to enable that upscaler.

>>108474377
fsr4 works on every game that already has fsr 3.1, which is the majority, there are very few fsr 1 and 2 games that stopped being updated, the only one I have in mind is the outer worlds

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Gooners buy nvidia.
Gamers buy Amd.

Simple as.

>>108474352
ironic picture to post as thats exactly what happens to nvidia gpu owners.

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>>108474400
i spend a lot of time gooning so you might be right

>>108474315
>4070
5070

>>108474315
>>108474532
>>4070
>5070
9070xt *

this 34" 21:9 ultrawide feels so tiny compared to the 32" 16:9, it's crazy
I'll upgrade to 39" ultrawide next (10 years from now)

>Nvidia pc building general trying to shill someone to buy slower dogshit 5070 with no veam over 9070 xt
Shit general kill yourselves

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>>108474588
XD

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Never buy 5070 or any other Blackwell gpu. Pic related is how mine came when I tried to install any driver. Switched to 9070 and been so happy since!

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I'm beginning to believe the claim that this JeetPU shitposting is mostly the work of one person taking both sides.

>>108474315
In that case, I got my 9800X3D for RPCS3 too, I'd upgrade the 7600x to a 9600x as it has AVX-512 support which is really important for PS3 emulation.
For the record, I'm not saying that you should avoid a 9700XT entirely either, just that, if you can get a 16GB RTX 4080 for the same price USED, then grab that as they're about the same in raster with more features and a way stronger chance AMD will kill the card in the cradle.
Otherwise you'll have to grab optiscaler, fucking mod FS4 to FS4 from DLSS calls, when quite frankly it's less work and a better result just to grab Nvidia and flip the DLSS magic button.
I wouldn't go with a 12gb card unless you were on a significantly lower budget, at which point the B580 would be the obvious pick.

>>108474733
I'm retarded, apparently, the 7600x also has AVX-512, I just saw it as being far better on the RPCS3 CPU tier list.
But for a small jump in price I think you'd be getting a lot out of it, the single core power on those is quite fantastic.

>>108474772
zen 3 doesnt have avx512, zen4 and up do

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'vidia bros, DON'T LOOK

Are the 7800x3d or the 9800x3d gonna come down in price thanks to the new Intel CPUs or any of their other x3d chips?

>>108475067
they will come down in price because people are not building systems because of ram prices

>>108474989
i have a 5090 and i'm loooking

gpuz says rebar is on, but adrenaline says smart access memory is not on
who is lying to me?

>>108475205
Go to your motherboard's BIOS and check whether it's toggled on.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/394980/how-to-turn-on-amds-smart-access-memory-for-faster-gaming-performance.html

>receive a fat bonus
>a 5070 ti will cost almost 1/5th of it

Reeeeeeeeeee

>>108475133
>>108474989
God I love my 5090.

>>108473940
>>>STORAGE
>Keep SSD firmware updated
>Budget: SN7100, NM790
lol
>High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
lolol
>Save money buy Gen 4 SSD
lololol
>HDD prices increased due to AI
lololol WE ARE IN HELL THIS IS HELL

>>108475214
it was enabled, I guess if I had restarted adrenaline after switching the monitor it would show me as enabled, anyway thanks

my source on amd just told me the 7800x3d on am4 is coming but not only that, the 7950x3d on am4 is also coming and agesa update that enables the new memory controller configurations and samsung restarted b-die production and a new chipset with pcie gen 5 on am4 is also almost here so yeah, good times are coming

>>108475340
7000 doesn't support ddr4 at all so it cant support am4. they're not like intel where they have cross gen compat.

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>have savings because im not an idiot
>buy a pc with no issues
wow that was hard

I'm finally overclocking my gpu, stable at -50 and 2800mhz so far, raising mem clock until it crashes

>>108475340
my uncle that works at AMD told me they're fucking with you for a cheap laugh and that you should "stop being poor"

>>108475477
the performance will get worse on memory clock before it crashes. you have to monitor it as stutters or worse scores.

>>108475548
remained stable at -50 2860mhz, I'm booting up poe to see if it'll crash, it's a very temperamental game

>>108474989
Man, the 4090 did not age well at all.

>>108475563
try watching a youtube video or encoding a stream while you're playing. undervolts are tested hard when the encoder is in use.

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>>108475602
no crashes with lots of stuff on the map, maybe I got super lucky with these memory bins, the undervolt is solid at -50, there is a video playing in the background, had to cut the screenshot until it was less than 4mb

>>108475624
you have to play for like 2 hours so the entire pc gets warm and toasty.

>>108475624
>had to cut the screenshot until it was less than 4mb
jpg

>>108475633
I'm going to leave it like that for a few days to see if I get a crash, I don't really have a triple A game installed to check with gpu at 100%
>>108475653
noted

>>108475670
if it doesn't crash overnight its good enough. ddr5 will either error out from temperature or wrong settings in a few hours or work forever.

>>108473977
DESU most of the issues with DDR5 are from overclocking.
Even "mild* 6000mhz CL30 kits where never meant to exist.
It's literally bullshit concocted by PC part vendors by binning 4800mhz/5200mhz DRAM packages to find that ones that just barely work at the speeds specified by the XMP/EXPO profile.

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bloordborne at ultrawide 1440p is also running stable, I did run it with uncapped fps for a little while but I hate drawing 200ws on the gpu, I'll just use it as is for a few days and if it holds I'll go back and keep pushing those mem clocks

>>108475754
love when ASUS puts in "tweaks" in their BIOS with no description of what it does or when it should be enabled

Is there any reason why no 32" monitors are recommended in your OP?

>open up case to put something in
>5090 astral still covered in removable film that's been collecting cat hair and dust
That's probably not good for it

>>108475754
It took 5 minutes to train my memory after updating to this. Five whole fucking minutes. I can’t wait for nova lake bros, ddr5 is just a shitfest on AMD

>>108475748
I'm running my 6 GHz capable RAM at stock speed because of people getting their CPUs fried having spooked me. I'm having atrocious post times on my Asus mobo despite only using two sticks at stock speed, and that is with the feature to remember the RAM tuning enabled.

>>108475405
I do not have a high paying job and I can just buy what I want when it comes to pc stuff. Some people here are just not okay irl.

>>108475405
furfag brags about getting fucked up the ass shocking stuff this

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>>108475781
you built it that way

>>108475748
most of the issues from ddr5 are from half baked IMC firmware shipped by intel and amd
there are few issues now that they've had time to cook their firmwares to an acceptable level of functionality

>>108476249
No i didnt? It came in that way.

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>>108473940
It's amazing that websites like PCPartPicker and Logical Increments still recommend ASRock motherboards. They have blood on their hands.

Even with the latest BIOS update (4.10) from February 25, 2026, the motherboard still kills AMD CPUs.

I've checked multiple motherboard brands, such as ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte, among others. None of them, except for ASRock, have a Megathread for motherboard-related deaths.
That's really embarrassing.

>>108476414
asrock works great on intel and AM4
i would have no trouble recommending asrock to someone who isn't planning on buying an exploding CPU

When I restart my computer, it often fails to boot.
I go into bios, load the exact same settings and restart.
It boots just fine, but has to train the memory again.
Why?

It's not a problem that prevents the computer from running or doing anything. I just have to restart twice if I need to restart.

>>108476464
unstable settings, probably undervolt

>>108476464
run memtest5 with 1usmus config

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>>108476414
Do you really think they are impartial? I bet they get Arby's coupons and other compensation in the mail all the time. You cant trust tier list/recommendation websites.

>>108476464
It's an ASRock am5 bios bug afaik

>>108476464
be more specific
what do you mean by fails to boot? what do you see?

>Ram prices said to be down today
>See prices
>Still expensive as fuck.
Its not going down until at least 2028

>>108475767
>32"
That's a television sir

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WHY THE FUCK ARE THE 24-PIN POWER CONNECTORS SO HARD TO REMOVE FROM THE MOTHERBOARD?

"Memory Training" is AMD's worst plague on the industry

>>108476481
LogicalIncrements is infected with comission AIDS, but that's better than PCPartPicker's automatic parametric filter.
I bought AMD processor decades ago based on their recommendation, and my room is as hot as a sauna right now. My Intel PC in the office doesn't have this problem. People love 'best value for money' motto, but you get what you pay for.

>You cant trust tier list/recommendation websites.
A recommendation is fine, but people should double-check for any problems with the part (read: blood).
A simple Google search or a query to your favorite LLM should reveal any issues.
This is because people who make the recommendation don't use that build themselves. They already have a PC.
Personal, unbiased experience is best.

>>108476473
>>108476474
I'll try a memtest. It's just running EXPO I settings.

>>108476497
It's an ASUS motherboard. :(

>>108476502
So. I press restart.
Computer goes off.
Computer comes back on. There's a pause.
POST screen comes up, says that BIOS has been reset to default settings due to a failed boot.
I go into BIOS, load my previous settings of EXPO I, it boots.

At a little digging. It's some sort of issue with MCR?

It's a 96GB(2x48) Kit running at 6000MHz CL36. Motherboard is ASUS 870E Crosshair Hero.

Can I buy Deedee Ore 5 already or what? Do I still wait?

>>108476590
well first off, update your bios to the latest version and see if that fixes anything. which asus board is it? is the ram on the QVL for the board? did you try EXPO II?

>>108476594
Down but just a bit. And still at retarded price. Wait.
But for me i only have DDR4 and i cant stop craving for more ram so ill just bought 64gb of DDR4 ram yesterday. Might be regret it, but fuck it. Still considering if i should sell my old 32gb ram right now or not

Chris Robert's scam finally got me off my lazy ass and building the PC with parts that have been sitting there forever. I want to mcfucking kill myself though why does it feel like quality of life has decreased with modern assembly? The one improvement is the Front Panel is no longer a fiddly bitch.

Next time I'm boughting pre built saar

>>108476528
It ain't going down ever it's just settling into the new normal just like gpus did after the crypto rush

>>108476667
Thats what im feeling too. This shit is too good to be true.

>>108476590
buy a new cmos battery

i bought 2x of these https://www.teamgroupinc.com/en/product-detail/memory/T-CREATE/expert-u-dimm-ddr5-white/expert-u-dimm-ddr5-white-CTCWD5128G6400HC42CDC01/
for a total of 4x 64GB DDR5 6400MHz CL42 RAM.
my CPU is an AMD Ryzen 9 9950X and my motherboard is a MAG X870E TOMAHAWK WIFI AMD AM5
i can't seem to get it to accept my RAM at reasonable clock speeds. it will work to boot it after pressing the clear CMOS button, but it drops the speed down to only 3600MHz, which is almost half of what i thought i was buying. i tried both the EXPO1 (6400MHz) and EXPO2 (6000MHz) preset "easy" profiles, and neither worked. does anyone have experience with this? not sure what to do beyond spending hours fucking with the settings until something finally magically works (i have no idea what i am doing)
thanks in advance

>>108476687
that's too much ram, it simply won't run fast, next generation they will improve the memory controller so you'll probably will need to upgrade to get good speed, just try to run it at 4800 cl 40

Whats the upgrade path from a 3080 in 2020+6

>>108474012
You being Indian sort of helps with that

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Any of you people here running at two sets of different ram sticks ? by different i mean different size and frequency and timing

>>108476701
that is unfortunate. feel like i was led astray a bit from the labelling on the ram sticks. but oh well
potentially stupid question: is it possible for me to fuck something up badly enough to damage or break any of my hardware? otherwise, i might just start at 4800 and play around with stuff to try to reach 6000
i found some reddit post claiming that this video supposedly explained how to do it, but i watched it and didn't really get that impression. my only takeaway from the video was to keep trying lower and lower resistance values until you start getting errors? is that a sane plan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2pPIHGuLPU

>>108476687
>4x
using four sticks of ram is iffy. not hitting expo speeds is expected, those only apply for 2x sticks. what you're doing is exactly what you have to do when you use four sticks, boot it at stock to make sure everything works and then increment in steps to find the stable speed.
it is unfortunate but that's how it is currently. the advertised speed is a basically an ideal case overclock and that ideal case includes using only two sticks at a time

i had my own learning experience on my old build with ddr4 ram which had the same issue (well it's an amd memory controller issue), I had no idea four sticks was an unstable mess and my memory instability manifested in, of all things, frequent nvidia driver crashes which went away when I downclocked them.

I need to test some 3070ti, any stable driver recommendation for this card?

>>108476779
you'd think using four slots would be fine since the fuckin thing comes with them
otherwise what's even the point? i guess to troll people like you and me, lol
what are your thoughts on >>108476771? would doing this be safe/sane?

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>>108473940
Put this little build together with a b550m assrock mobo, 2x16gb 3600mhz cl16, r5 3600 and an rx7600. It has a nice sfx power supply too since this was a spare parts build. How much you reckon it’s worth?

>>108476788
Pretty smooth.

>>108476762
Don't think size matters. And it'll just default to the timing and frequency of the slower stick.

>>108476787
idk, afaik the only way to break anything is to increase voltages/power so I never touch the stuff except for light undervolting of my cpu/gpu. i just lived with the speed my four sticks could run at and now in my new build I've only got the two.
memory speed doesn't matter that much anyway, at least compared to the benefits of having more of it.

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>>108476798
I appreciate that, truly.

>>108473940
Videocards got more expensive again..

>>108474989
Yeah, show instead how much this costs

>>108476748
hodl

>>108476590
did you run the test, nigger?

>>108476687
When going with such huge capacities, you gotta buy one of those 4-stick kit that's been verified to work at high speeds

>>108476830
yeah, i was looking into it a bit more, and those are both the exact answers i got, so that reassures me a lot. thanks, anon!

So basically ASRock dropped the ball for AM5 but what about AM4 or Intel?

>>108476899
Their other boards work well

>>108476899
They're fine.

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>2027
>AM4

>>108477051
I will use AM4 until 2030

>>108476786
566.36 is good
561.09 too

>>108477051
>AMD marks AM4’s 10th anniversary, says AM5 will follow the same philosophy
See you in 2032 with my am5 system still running

>New Steve video.
>Just 30 minutes of whining yet again.

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>>108474617
>Nicotroons digging up 4 year old reddit posts again

how is thermaltakes RGB software compared to say lian li or thermalrights? currently on L-connect and am thinking about making the move

>>108476899
Can't speak for their boards in general, but I have a z890 riptide for a 265k, It works well and has good IO. I was able to mildly overclock my dual rank ram from 6400 32-40-40-84 to 6600 32-39-39-76 and all e cores up to 4.9ghz. Still trying to push up to 6800 but it crashes under load. Overall I'm happy with it.

What are some decent budget friendly 1440p monitors?

I can't buy the ones in the OP.

>>108473940
>SN850X w/ heatsink
Is 161 dollars for it good?

>>108473955
>>108473977
>>108475748
i am running a 7800x3d with 6000mhz cl32 just fine
post time is also fine

>>108477471
Not too bad for 1tb
Great deal if it's a 2tb

>>108473955
Really? My b650 steel legend and 9800x3d has been one of my most stable builds, alongside the 9900k I had I 2018. It's way better than my experience with the 12900k and z690 with it's early half baked ddr5 compatibility

>think about panic buying ram
>still remember I missed out on 64gb last summer sales for 100€
>have to spend 450€ more for ram
>get demoralized
If I wanted to build I should have done long ago
maybe it's time to triple down and wait for DDR6..... it's all so tiring
didn't google save us with the new AI algo that takes less ram?
it's over
in fact, all these problems would not exist if I had more money either
what am I doing being poor actually
that is the real problem

>>108477464
depends on region
here it's currently the Philips Evnia 27M2N3501PA
like 174€
don't see anything better

>>108477493
Ddr5 is here to stay for another 2 Ryzen generations or 3 Intel generations
Buckle down and consoom the ddr5 if you can't wait until 2031

>>108477063
Thanks works fine with 566.36

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Can please anyone redpill me on futureproofing?

Wondering if I should buy a zen 5 9600x with a 9070 OR zen 7 9800x3d with 9070xt (but I would also have to spend more on Mobo and PSU and an AIO)
I'm overall spending about $500 more in the second choice but I wonder if both builds become equally obsolete in like 5/6 years and I would have to buy a new PC anyway.

>>108477554
9070 = 9070xt in futureproofing
9800x3d might be somewhat future proofed but it will pale in comparison to the monstrous next gen cpus AMD and Intel are preparing (12-core ccx and 8+16 ccd, 144mb L3 on both)

>>108477597
>but it will pale in comparison to the monstrous next gen cpus AMD and Intel are preparing
I doubt it. Cpu companies seem to be totally fine selling the same shit that they have been. They don't want to spend money on l3 cache and they don't care how their customers get their ram. Amd seems to absolutely hate their own x3d cache and Intel couldn't give a fuck about the consumer market. They'll take whatever slow architecture they have planned for enterprise and sell it back to the individual consumer as an upgrade. Don't be suprised when the next amd release is slower than a 7800x3d. Amd's explanation will be "power efficiency and cumpute" because all they're doing is moving server architecture to the consumer.

>>108477554
Buying AMD for future proofing after their track record with the RDNA 3 and RDNA 2 is insanity my man.
You cannot expect any long term support for RDNA 4. They've done this shit twice now. They're almost certainly going to do it with RDNA 4 when their next gen of console GPUs needs something to accelerate AI upscaling functions.

>>108477697
So what CPU do you recommend

>>108477645
L3 cache scales 1:1 with CCX size. With 12 core ccxs, there will be twelve slices of 4MB cache and 3d v-cache will triple that amount to 144MB while intel in parallel are preparing their bLLC chips with 144MB of L3 cache laid out horizontally

>>108477728
They're doing fine with CPUs. 9800X3D is pretty good. Or at least, there's nothing really imminent that's going to change much for gaming, at least not that anyone is aware of for sure.

Simply wait for Nova Lake so that Intel can blow away AMD for the next 2-3 generations of chips.

>>108477818
Zen 5 is on 4nm
Arrow Lake is on 3nm and it still loses on efficiency and barely wins on multi core
You think they stand a chance against Zen 6 on 2nm?

>>108477894
intel still has the highest ipc core
once they fix the cache problem, their arch will fly

>>108477894
The difference between measurements is inconsequential at that scale. The architecture and interconnects are more important. Especially when they are trying to incorporate large l3 cache. I think we'll have to see what the 9950x3d2 performs like.

I want to build a PC

I don't care about games

>>108478273
Buy a mac.

>>108473940
>14600K
do these have the degrade bug? how bad is it?

>>108478273
Buy a used optiplex.

>>108478273
>I don't care about games
The new Intel chips look decent enough then.

Is there any consensus on the “best” model of the 5070TI? Microcenter has the MSI Shadow and an ASUS Prime for $900.

>>108478320
ASUS generally has a better product but horrid customer service.

>>108478320
Msi shadow has three heatpipes and a plastic backplate. It was originally made for the Asian market but they started selling them in the west when demand skyrocketed.

>>108478344
Ah okay.

>>108478320
Prime is definitely better than Shadow

>>108478320
msi suprim, asus tuf, gigabyte aorus, pny epic

>>108478281
>>14600K
>do these have the degrade bug? how bad is it?
samefag
hallo?

>>108478281
nah, the i5s are fine since they target much lower clocks and voltages than the i7s and i9s do

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Is it normal that my 9850X3D is getting colder each week?

When I first built my PC about 3 weeks ago my CPU under no load would sit at 41C, now it's sitting around 37% at no load.

No settings changes or anything. I undervolted the CPU by 25%, I think I might try 30% just to see if I can get away with it.

>>108478281
12900k is the last good Intel CPU. The 270k looks like intel is going in the right direction though.

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How does this make you feel?

>>108478655
>No settings changes or anything. I undervolted the CPU by 25%
sounds like you changed settings.

>>108478691
No, when I made the PC I undervolted it as one of the first things I did. That hasn't changed in the few weeks I've been using it.

>>108478680
*another success that hasnt happened to (((you)))

>>108478680
If I had money when I was young I would have definitely invested in Nvidia, I know for sure I remember I was turned off from Radeon by the time I left college, but alas.

>>108478680
>>108478732
Also, 10k$ gpus and 2k ssds the new low in 2 years

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>>108478281
It's supposed to be fixed in the latest BIOS update. But why take risks when you can just buy Core Ultra 5?

>>108477493
In short term, TurboQuant will temporarily decrease the price of DDR5, but the price will rise again soon because, if AI becomes cheaper to use, it will be used more.

>>108478680
Where's AMD?

>>108477894
what matters the most is latency and NovaLake basically has the BBLC cache integrated cache on the compute tile while Olympic Ridge still has the same architecture as current Zen 5 and as you can see on the 9950X3D with 2 9950X3D2 bigger cache means 0 improvement in gaming, overlal if Intel does not fuck this up they should be at least one gen over AMD in terms of gaming performance, because the BBLC is not stacked like X3D proccesors.

>>108479015
The only thing that worries me is that bLLC is laid out horizontally meaning it'll have to either run at lower clocks or run with loose timings making it uncompetitive in performance to amd's vcache which runs high clocks and relatively tight timings for a large cache

>>108478776
>TurboQuant will temporarily decrease the price of DDR5,
This hardware has been bought out for many years in the future. There is no room for a price drop, especially when 1) retailers have an excuse to keep prices high and 2) scalpers have advanced price tracking and purchasing tools as well as open online market places like newegg and Amazon.

>>108479064
>This hardware has been bought out for many years
Misinfo
All the far future memory "purchases" are merely "letters of intent"
The memory hasn't been sold and If OpenAI or other companies stop having the money then the memory won't be sold

>>108478281
>>108478375
14600k it was never as big of a deal, and the degrading in real time at stock issue was fixed for all of raptor lake anyways.
Should buy a 250k anyways though

>did not buy more ssd when I had the chance
>or ram
tiring

>>108479164
We all have to learn the hard way
Just make sure to stock up on dram and nand the next time they're cheap

>>108479308
they will be cheap soon, in 2030 we'll move to ddr6 and ddr5 will cost pennies for a while

waitfags getting btfo will never not be funny

>>108479164
i was hoping that ssds with massive capacities like physical hdds would expand in the near future so i could buy 8+ TB ssds for cheap, but instead my 2x 4 TB m.2 + SSD are all im able to keep for the forseeable future.

after switching from 32" 1080p to 34" 3440x1440 I can tell you the undeniable truth.
screen size is FAR more important than resolution.
the 32" feels much bigger because it's still 16:9 despite having much lower pixel density it was more comfortable to use, the 34" feels like I'm squinting all the time.
LG sells a ultrawide oled 3440x1440 in two sizes, 34" and 39" which would be the 32" height + the extra width for 21:9, having had this experience I can tell you 100% that the 39" would be the better choice to buy.
the moral of the story is that pixel density is grossily overrated and screen size is vastly underrated.

>>108479308
>Just make sure to stock up on dram and nand
I forgot the age ole wisdom of buying the ram and nand dips
I was not planning to build anyway, but it would have been cheaper to buy prematurely IF I wanted to, now I can only cope and complain and gaslight myself into not buying anyway
>the next time
what if there wont be a next time

>>108479373
>just wait 4 years
*dead skeleton.jpg*

>>108479397
I was kind of inbetween
if I really wanted to build I would have already built long ago
I kinda don't need to but kinda want too
if I had more money I def would already

>>108479406
I thought qlc 8tb would be very cheap now or lager
instead everything went up when you didn't buy the dip

>>108479443
>32" 1080p
blind tier
>27" but ultrawide 1440p tier
decade old/poverty tier

>screen size is FAR more important than resolution.
>the 32" feels much bigger because it's still 16:9 despite
40" or 45" is the functional equivalent to 32" but ultrawide
there is a reason they are ultrashorts u know

>the 34" feels like I'm squinting all the time.
scaling + not beating the blind claims, 32" 1080p is absolutely horrific my nigga

>the moral of the story is that pixel density is grossily overrated and screen size is vastly underrated.
it's kind of not you are just blind honestly, but if you are on this train you might aswell buy a 55" oled tv because you actually get benefits
but impossible at desk distance you need it further away and it still risks being too tall
whats insane is 55" 4k is 10 ppi higher than 32" 1080p
80ppi does already not look very good that close

man you might be legally blind

>>108479443
it's either a matter of just getting used to the change or unironically your eyesight sounds like it's pretty bad, 3440x1440 has lousy ppi and 1080p at 32" is horrific.
try turning the desktop scaling up in the display settings, my mom has to use 125% too.

>>108479443
more pixels is better
size is a function of distance
you don't want a 60" screen 2 feet from your face
you don't want a 32" screen 10 feet away

>>108479490
my eyesight is perfect, I've never need to use glasses my whole life, you could argue that I got used to having the screen too far away from me, which could be a needed change, but the thing is, when I sit back on the chair and look at the screen I see "half" of a the screen I used to see because of the height difference between 32" and 34" (which is 27" + extended width for 21:9)

>>108473940
>6000 extreme letdown
what? that was the last time amd was arguably better than nvidia. what kind of retarded post is this?
>2 months ago
ah so its just regular ol ragebait

>>108479510
yeah then sit closer. the ultrawide aspect ratio should actually fill your field of vision better than 16:9 unless you've only got one eye.

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>>108478281
i wonder how long people are gonna keep asking this

>>108479564
That isn't even the final fix
They later launched the 0x12F ucode with additional degradation fixes so who knows if it's really truly fixed

>>108479629
0x12F is not a degradation fix
it fixes issues with the voltage going too low, not too high
but that update came out a year ago so my point still stands
>so who knows if it's really truly fixed
intel would know, and they're still selling brand new 14th gen CPUs in stores, with extended 5 year warranties

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I just replaced my 3080 10gb with this and im selling that for 250. This cost me 512. So 262 net spend. That's okay right?

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>>108479443
have you not increased the scaling of the windows UI itself yet? are you not even aware of this very basic feature? have you even unlocked the increased hz yet? or is it still running at 60fps?

is gigabyte actually horrid or is that just a meme I need an AM5 mobo and they make the only ones that have everything I would like so it's between getting one of theirs or making sacrifices to get an MSI or saphire board

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>>108474004
shut the fuck up AMD jeet

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>>108479692
>retard buys obsolete gpu created to scam ignorant paypigs
>retard buys it, THEN goes to the /pcb/ general in the expectation that we enable both his bad purchasing habits of buying expensive products on impulse, and not doing any research
retard

>>108479750
I'm at 150% and 180hz

>>108479758
sapphire do not make mobos, or at least ones worth buying. MSI are fine, ASUS are okay if you want to risk buying a product with a TERRIBLE warranty dept, their customer service is dogshit aids. Gigabyte are okay, they're a Temu MSI who are a Temu ASUS, i don't see a major issue.

my issues with am5 (9800x3d) after using it for a year
1. dogshit memory training thing
2. 8 cores lol, stuff starts stuttering when i have too much open
3. usb disconnect/reconnect sounds randomly (i know i'm not the only one)
4. it's boring. most things just work. there's no real performance to get by overclocking like on an intel system

>>108479781
i'll admit, the steam app in general is aids to view, its max scale is still too small at 1440p, you're 100% squinting, but you can also increase/decrease the scale of any website you're viewing when on a web browser via ctrl and the +/- keys.

I don't know why you miss your 1080poverty screens though, viewing anything on them is masochism as far as im concerned.

>>108479778
The next generation is going to be even more expensive and probably even more scarce so I needed to upgrade before my current card drops too far in price. I've already sold it to a friend.

>>108479795
8 cores really is the dealbreaker for the 9800X3D/9850X3D
i had 8 cores back in 2017 on the 1700X, AMD really should have increased the CCD core capacity by now

Are there any guidelines for how much VRAM I should have for video editing in Premiere Pro?
Stuff like X amount for 4K with Y codec with few effects vs multi-input streams at 4K and many effects?

>>108479795
>memory training
sure but it doesn't happen often
>8 cores lol
shocking revelation that 8 core cpu has 8 cores
>usb disconnect
never had any
>its boring and just works
exactly like a cpu should?

>>108479692
$512 is a great price, especially now.
I guess no one can really say for certain, but my guess is that by the time 12 is genuinely sketchy to use it'll be time to upgrade again anyways. Can't imagine it'll sour as fast a 8gb gpus from ampere for example.

>>108479842
the 1700x had 4 cores per ccd retard

>>108479874
i don't even think they used the CCD term before they moved to chiplets
but who cares
i still had 8 cores back then, that should be minimum spec by now, not the "ultimate gaming CPU"

>>108479862
I'm in the UK so it's in GBP (£). But yeah this particular triple fan 5070 currently has a £56 off voucher deal till Wednesday and it comes with RE:Requiem so I'm cool with it. I've been playing crimson desert at 4K on the 3080 and it's good but not quite there. I plan on undervolting and overclocking the 5070.

>>108479795
Memory training feature also exists on the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K, so it's unavoidable.

>>108479927
memory training takes like 15 seconds on z890 and it happens once lmao why lie

>>108476566

I know your pain bro. Last time I had to remove it, it almost felt like I had to tear the motherboard apart.

>>108479887
>CCD term
It's part of the new speak. It's faggotry.

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do i boughted
last day to boughted but I don't think I will, idk, I feel like prices will go down next year and this won't be that great of a deal by then, and there's nothing new I really want to play anyways that my machine can't handle at 1440p

>>108480103
That CPU sucks ass. A 285k is better than that.

>>108480103
Well I guess determine if you actually need an upgrade or not.
Prices crashing in the next couple years probably isn't happening.

>>108479795
>8 cores lol
yeah since i do things other than just game on my pc this was a sticking point for me but I ended up with a 9800x3d anyway. If the 270k was a thing when I boughted I would have went with that.
although looking now that alleged $300 msrp didn't exactly hold so idk

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>just broke my case's glass panel
Wat nou?

>>108480174
if under warranty try to get a replacement
if not under warranty suffer like you deserve dumb frogposter

>>108480174
lol how

>>108479842
yeah thats why i bought the 9950x3d and i love it. The 9900x3d is also the middle-ground between the two extremes in price and its performance in gaming is only slightly lower than either one, i don't know why it gets such a bad rep.

>>108479854
>>108479795
>memory training
Just keep updating your bios. It used to happen to me every month or so with my x870 Msi tomahawk, but like 4 months ago a bios update fixed that and it stopped happening.

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>>108480184
Its brand new, so hopefully they will send me a replacement.
>>108480192
Was trying to put the GPU bracket.
Damn thing shattered in my hands the moment i removed from the case, I was being very gentle.

>>108480204
probably because it's 600 dollars for a cpu

>>108480204
because its a half measure that gets worse gaming performance
if you actually needed the multicore performance you would spend a bit extra for a 9950x3d

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Have pc enthusiasts really been building expensive pcs all these years without some actual air purification intake system instead of mesh filters which are basically useless for actual dust? I want to never ever have to clean my pc.

>>108480223
kinda crazy how much dust I always find in my filters if they're useless for dust

>>108480235
Alright I exaggerated but there's still dust inside your pc.

I use filters from https://www.demcifilter.com/
yeah temps go up a little but they basically prevent any dust from entering the pc

>>108480250
and unless you live like bubble boy thats always going to be the case

>>108480256
nothing for my computer case from this decade (antec flux pro). Outdated website and company. Yawn.

I modded in pvc dust mesh filters i bought off ebay myself, it was easy.

>>108480259
Only the pc cabinet needs to be inside the bubble. I'm just wondering why there aren't any cabinets that are the bubble.

>>108479778
he sold his old card he will sell this one too once it's time

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Thinking of getting a 9070 instead of a 9070 XT just for the lower watt consumption.
Am I retarded or am I making the right choice?

>>108480444
you can limit the 9070 xt power by 30%, that's how I run mine, it maxes at 220w, I think you should get the xt.

>>108480444
an underclocked 9070 xt will be more efficient than a 9070

>>108480460
>>108480476
Haven't thought of that, also is a 850w PSU enough ?

>>108480480
yes it is enough, but I bought a 1200w, I like the idea of the PSU not having any sort of stress so it lasts 10+ years

>first time upgrading my PC
>went from an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ to an AMD Athlon 64 x2 260 (barely 30-35% improvement)
>then got an FX-8320E
>then "upgraded" to an i5-3570K so that i could still use my DDR3 ram and get some extra single thread perf for games
Am i retarded?
I feel like my current Ryzen 5 build is the first good build i made since 2009

>>108480705
should've wait for haswell, it was a great platform for many years

>>108480480
correct, just undervolt it, its easy, or you can even just set the power limit lower. Its not a big deal.

If you're that paranoid about power consumption, install solar panels on your house, unless you're a goyslave living in a concrete box in the sky that is.

Recommend me a silent oriented matx case that i can just stick a bunch of fans in at low rpm

>>108480891
lian li a3

>>108480903
Mesh isn't silent bro

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>the dopamine of planning, researching, buying and finally completing your new build project has worn off

>>108481003
time to invest into a sound system

>>108481003
wait until you realize games stop being fun once you're 30 and then you use your mega pc for the same things you'd use a macbook neo for

>>108481062
that's your problem and has nothing to do with the age

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>>108480977
Don't ask me how it breathes.

>>108481062
I think they just stopped making fun games or made all the characters ugly to look at. I wanted to buy Returnal, but I'm not playing as a grandma.

>>108481122
it doesn't

5070ti or 9070 xt?
Which one will last me 5-7 years+?

Shall I replace my phantom spirit stock fans with a pair of acrtic p12 i already have if my case has poor airflow?

>>108481303
very different pricing on those products

>>108473940
where are the mini itx case recommendations

>>108481303
5070 ti will probably get dlss 5 support and all their future stuff. 9070 xt is already outdated because amd confirmed that fsr diamond or whatever its called is exclusive to rdna 5 which is being made as a new hardwate standard for the next gen xbox.

>>108481303
same performance and one costs 50% more, not a hard question

>>108481303
depends on the price difference

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>7 heat pipes
>vapor chamber
>best looking cooler ever made
>amerimutts can't touch it
will there ever be a better air cooler?

>>108476667
Naw, ram isn't a monopoly like Nvidia GPUs

>>108481357
damn thats beautiful

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>>108481430
the fanless side looks even better, and it has a bracket in case you'd want to mount a 3rd fan

>>108481303
5070ti of course

>>108481303
5070ti will last years. AMD will shelf support for the 9070 next year.

>>108481062
i moved from FPS to strategy games and JRPGs
very comfy

CPU
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X

Motherboard
TOMAHAWK MAX (MS-7C02) (AM4)

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER (Gigabyte)

Decent upgrade options from above? I keep hearing about Ryzen 7 5800X3D as the go-to CPU, but is it really worth the shekels? I dont need the most hot LED driven Gamer build out there

>>108481454
you know what? I think I should play the ff7 remakes

>>108481462
they don't make x3d chips anymore for am4, but if they restart production you should buy one

>>108481462
5700x and maybe a 5070 at best is your upgrade path. Anything more powerful than a 5070 will likely get held back by the 5700x which is pretty weak for high end GPUs nowadays.

Which poo poo monitor do I get?

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Forgot pigture.
>>108481571

>>108481594
I trust aoc far more than acer

played a little bit of dota, little bit of rpcs3, still no crash with 2860mhz mem clock, will up to 2900 soon

>>108478281
All the 13th and 14th gen are DEFECTIVE. Yes, that is millions and millions of CPUs that don't fucking work. If you have a lower volt version it will take longer to degrade but they are ALL busted.

All the microcode updates did was make them boost lower to stop them from crashing instantly when you did something like compile shaders.

>>108481898
My 12900ks pulls over 350w while compiling shaders for FF7 Rebirth.

>>108481898
>All the microcode updates did was make them boost lower
You're a retard

so I just noticed that the only card techpowerup got with samsung memory also achieves 2900mhz stable, I guess getting samsung is winning the 9070 xt lottery
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-radeon-rx-9070-xt-reva-hellhound/39.html

I just want to be able to buy a 5090 fe at its $2k msrp ffs...

>>108481062
Over the top WW1, Helldivers 2 and Crimson Desert have brought back 'fun' for most gamers. The gamers haven't changed, they just developed taste, while the industry shat itself into DIE-inspired mediocrity and predatory monetisation.

>>108481920
Gettting Samsung memory was the lottery for over 10 years. Meta stable as fuck.

Opening Death Stranding 2 this shit is so peak finally my goddamn panic buy PC justifies its existence

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>>108481303
9070XT is already obsolete

DLSS5 coming soon 50 series goated

>>108481927
NVIDIA lottery is your only hope

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>>108481920
>9070 xt lottery
>lottery

I seek the wizards for an insane pc retrofitting question. I have a 2012 samsung notebook with a dying screen module, and the hinges are straight up gone. I also have an HP all-in-one computer with a bigger monitor I could mount on the wall.
my question is, what would be a not-insane way to connect it as a new screen/monitor to replace the current one? the notebook has an unused VGA port, and the A-in-O has 6 usb ports, but I don't know if there's a way to use the monitor-specific connector inside the notebook's motherboard and bypass the A-in-O's motherboard entirely.

>>108481898
when is the degradation supposed to start? I haven't lost a single millivolt on my 14700K
>>108481910
they do boost lower in all core loads because motherboard manufacturers stopped cheating with AC/DC LL

>>108482063
>>108482063
>>108482063

>>108482029
I have a better way to go about this for you, just go online and spend $50 on a new dino-laptop