Which is better for ergonomics? >TKL or smaller where mouse is closer to a neutral position>"ergonomic" keyboard with huge space in the middle, but mouse is farther out since it's as larger or larger than a regular 100%Previous: >>108619703>Keyboard recommendation template:https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V>Find vendorshttps://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptionshttps://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)>Learn about MX-type switches ("mechanical keyboard switches")https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guidehttps://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviewshttps://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves>Split and non-standard layout resourceshttps://compare.splitkb.comhttps://keyboard-design.com>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)>Practice typinghttps://monkeytype.comhttps://keybr.comhttps://thetypingcat.comhttps://play.typeracer.com>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not idealhttps://rentry.org/mkg_backlight
I want a 75% mechanical keyboard, priced $150 and below, with 2.4 GHz dongle wireless connection capability, ANSI layout. Regarding switches, I prefer tactile switches, but sound-wise I like creamy/thocky keyboards. If impossible, I'm willing to sacrifice the sound for tactile switches. Either way, I want a pre-built keyboard, and I want it to come with good tactile switches by default. What do you recommend to me?
HMX on CFMX Blacks on AluSimple as.
want:>metal (aluminium, brass, or something else doesn't matter. just don't want cheap plastic)>tkl>hotswap>via>can be barebones or come with switches/keycaps>wired is a must-have>prefer if it doesn't have wireless, actually, so i dont have to deal with a batteryI found these:>WOBKEY Crush80 Reboot Pro: $159-$169>Evoworks Evo80: $169.99>MK x WOBKEY Crush80 Reboot: $175>Keychron Lemokey L4: $184.99 ($204.99 with switches/caps)>Neo80 Cu (brass): $266.99There were some others (MCHOSE GX87, Keychron Q3/Pro/Max) but they're either sold out or sold out of any decent color.Should I just go with the evo80?
absolutely based TKLChad general
>>108667425you simply can't go wrong with the Evo80fuck the Neo80 Cu, it sounds like ass despite packing all that metalthe Evo80
>>108667417>HMX on CFHMX on PC works toosounds real good on the Glare>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mL90d-GArw
>>108667399The best for ergonomics, in the first place, is to not use a mouse.
>>108667450thanks. was leaning towards that already. i have no idea how to decide between hmx azure and keygeek neo oat or why they require different plates
>>108667486I have RSI in my thumb so can't use trackballs
>>108666865Rainy75 and then just buy some tactiles. Any HMX tactile if you want the bump at the top of the press and maybe like a TTC bluish white if you want it in the middle.
>>108667478>not full nylontrash>>108667489get the oatsscroll down to the final conclusions here and you'll see>https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/keygeek-oat-switch-review
>>108667511Is there anything better than Rainy75?
>>108667506bone dry scratchy worn out Cherries only
Kinesis saved my hands, I had extreme pain in my wrists, nothing helped. Then I switched it in desperate attempt to do something and after two weeks of typing exclusively on it pain was gone. I now type on Ergodox which uses the same principle, but has a much nicer programmability. If you have wrist pain / tendonitis, try one of those keyboards (but you must switch to cold turkey and not fallback to typing on regular keyboards).
MX users are slutty cougar appreciatorsno I don't want a nubile young thing that's prelubedgive me a slut that's been actuated 1.2 million timesfuck yeah cuck me baby I love that scrrratch
>>10866752275% with tri-mode under $150 and prebuilt? Uh, no, probably not. If you wanted a better board for around that price that wasn't prebuilt, I would say neo75 (not cu). That would be my first choice, personally.
>>108667547did you even try alice boards before making the jump to split columar stagger keywell stuff?
>>108667506>creamy Cringe
>tfw all recent job applications failed>tfw still NEETing>tfw broke ass negroidI'm never gonna get my buckling spring headache generator :'(
>>108667559Okay, what if it's under $200 and pre-built, with wireless, but not necessarily tri-mode?
>>108667567what are Alice boards? I guess no. I just decided okay, I'm going to go full on this and it paid off. I love columnar.
>>108667633become a femboy's living dildoez money
>>108667399Ergonomic keyboard with huge space in the middle and you put the mouse in the middle, duh>>108667494Thumb trackballs is how people without RSI in the thumb get RSI in their thumb. Normal finger trackballs should be perfectly usable with thumb RSI
>>108667770they’re split and angled to relieve tension on your wrists but basically still ansi. the benefit over columnar is that they take like 20 minutes to get used to compared to weeks but they don’t have the full ergonomic benefits
>>108667399Are Hall Effect and Trigger boards build-able like mechanical keyboards or is this some sort of proprietary that a handful of companies own?
>>108667721If you have to have prebuilt I still think you should go with rainy
>>108667792Oh yeah, I have those too, but they don't actually help with the pain, they're just convenient to hold and use one while I'm on the couch. You wanna get rid of pain, you need a split columnar one. Yes, it took me two weeks to get used to it, but it's worth if you have severe pain and can't type anyway.
>>108667794They are but the problem is there aren’t really many custom HE boards because of the market overlap with gaymers, so they’re mostly all prebuilt. Even more premium HE boards like kafka only came prebuilt for the HE version
>>108667802Yeah, I’ve pretty consistently heard columnar is true end game. I’ll probably switch eventually.
>>108667792I've seen this a lot, but feel the need to mention it here. Why would someone want a keyboard without a Win/Super key? Is it just to emulate very old boards or do Windows users hate the key?
>>108667773Well I'm not THAT desperate.
>zero metal to metal contactNuxros is such a scrubhe should learn from Geonthe Glare doesn't need foam strips all over the place
>>108668143you telling me you wouldn't let picrel pay you enough for your endgame board?all he'd do to you is give blowies
>>108667399I have an advantage2 and I really like it. It took a few weeks to really get used to Enter/Space on the thumb cluster. This keyboard somewhat promotes using both shift keys, which is weird for some people (like when pressing +). For games you'll probably want to rebind to ESDF instead of WASD, and backspace for spacebar actions. Arrow keys are similarly unwieldy so I just reprogrammed them as super keys. If you use a window manager that uses super key bindings, you may want to do the same. Swapping escape and caps lock is a good idea always. As an Emacs user, I wish the Alt key were in a more neutral position, but that might not be an issue for someone with larger hands. Rebinding is also an option. The hard palm rest can be uncomfortable, but these come with optional adhesive pads.
what 75% keyboard to buy
Well it arrivedBeen using it for around 2-3 hours this morning and I really like it.The click is a bit weird feeling at first, but I quickly got used to it, especially when i turned it up from the default medium click level to a heavier click.Now I have a nice heavy click with almost no sound. Exactly what I was looking for. Only time will tell how this shit holds up, but for now i'm happy enough.
>>108668842evo75, rd75, wave75
>>108668945What's the difference between all three and in what order should I prefer them
>>108668964rd75 and wave75 are exactly the same, get the one that's cheaper unless you really just want the extra case foams the wave75 comes with evo75 uses more premium materials and has a butterfly leaf spring mount to give your typing a bouncier feel. It's also more expensive.It depends on whether you think the features on the evo75 are worth it but generically evo75 > rd75 >= wave75
literally always get the Evo if you're getting a 75% or 80% for the first timeyou just can't go wrong with itespecially with the Oat switches
for everything else, there's G*ON
>>108668945Aren't Bridge 75 and Rainy 75 supposed to be better?
>>108669338wave75 is a better version of rainy75
>>108669451And the Bridge 75?
I intend on putting switch films on the Lekkers and spring swapping. Is it worth relubing them? Should I frankenswitch the Lekker stems (4mm travel) into Akko Glare?
>>108669576get Geon Raw HE switchesno mods neededcan't do better when it comes to HE switchesseriously just look it up
which color?
>>108669953I like black, white, pink and blue
>wireless keyboardsso people nearby can definitely read what you type through a receiver of some sort, no?
>>108669953top tier>2 (white/cyan, goes well with everything)high tier>1 (black/cyan)>6 (white/orange, not a huge fan of the orange, but it's just on the back)good with the right keycaps tier>4 (brown), 5 (red), 7 (noctua), 10 (light blue)meh tier>8 (yellow)low tier>3 (purple)not helping the stereotypes tier>9 (pink)
>>108667399Why does nobody recommend Keychron anywhere anymore?
>>108669953second from top leftit's like MoDo lightlooks real fucking good
>>108670123because it's a LEGACY BRAND BOOMERget with the TIMES BOOMERlet me say that again BOOMER
>>108670004BT has some encryption, but keyloggers are a rabbit hole in itself. Even wired keyboards might leak EMF.
>>108670269What does it mean that it's a legacy brand? Do keyboards really need to be upgraded every few years like PCs or phones?
>>108667858Aesthetics. A lot of people put control on capslock which frees up mods on bottom row so they still have all the mods even when they have blockers like that. It’s not like they have no super key.
>>108669953BROWN
>>108670123because better shit has come out
>>108670281what about dongles? i use it primarily instead of bt
>Geon board>owner looks femmeno surprise there
>>108670308you get better for less with Chinee brands nowno one's gonna say "get a Keychron" with a straight face in this general
holy fuck!naked Aluminium 6063!
>>108670552But Keychron is also Chinese
>>108669745I can get 61 Geon Raws to try. For now I'm gonna make 4mm travel 120g 22mm spring Akko Glare filmed and lubed.
>>108670596good, do itthis hobby's all about experiencing thingsthen you know what you really appreciate and what you've acquired a taste for>>108670591they don't compete like the new breedKeychron has a design and a way of operating nowit's too late to change course and become something else
>>108671072this hobby is actually about spending hundreds of dollars then crying yourself to sleep
holy fuck!industrial Baionlenja!
>>108671213to each his own
we walk different paths on this journeywe all arrive at the same destinationlubed + filmed + spring swapped
fuck me
>>108667547If you want something with curved keywells and fully programmable I could make you a dactyl. I used to have an ergodox myself & I find the dactyl to be a much more comfortable board.
Anyone know any cherry/ oem keys that dont feel like shit? These things feel so cheap. Then again, they were $20. Someone know something with more quality? I don't like how the surface feels and I think the edges are too sharp? I don't know how to explain it.
Another victim of the PBT meme >>108671636
>>108671636GMK obviouslyget CYL Mono to break in and get comfyit's quite affordable
>>108671889the only reason PBT exists is because it makes all switches sound creamy thoccyit makes bad boards with bad switches sound all the samebig fucking MEME
>>108671899got some to recommend to me?
>>108671636https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/tai-hao-128-key-abs-double-shot-cubic-keycap-set-white-bow
How much have you spent on keyboards so far?
>>108671992I bought films and lube in bulk and scraped the bottom of aliexpress, amazon and walmart.com. My hoard is going well.
>>108671921I literally didCYL Mono from GMK
>>108672070Sold out. Also, my keyboard is a 100%. Gatereon browns.
>>108672102well shit>https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-mudbeam-extras>https://novelkeys.com/products/gmk-cyl-mars-cadet-keycaps?variant=46196655194279>https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-metropolis-2-in-stock-extras>https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-dmg-3-keycap-set>https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-redline-keycap-set
for me, it's Blacks on Alu (half-plate)love to see the bare skin between it and the PCB
You guys like switch and click?
I have a keyboard with a warped case. I can still type on it, just that it tilts if I don't have it at a certain angle with a corner hanging off my desk; it doesn't sit flat, especially not on its feet. How can I fix it? I assume it depends on the material used in the keyboard. I'm pretty sure it's ABS since it has very faint yellowing. I can't remember if it arrived that way, or if it warped when I went full retard and used too much hot water when cleaning it.
actuating MX Blaecks
>>108667810Same thing with trigger effect?
>>108672686that's normiecorejust follow group buys and watch partner contentotherwise there's DadTech1981 and s_keebsGeon only tho
>>108672447Why they cost $100+? What keycap is worth that much?
>>108671282nice subtle half life reference for the gamers in the audience
>>108673027made by germans instead of bugmen
>>108673076I'll show you subtle.
>>108673185>>108673076I'll show you subtlehttps://kbdfans.com/products/holy80-case?variant=43427582378123
>>108673027you'll feel the difference when you use ittake the fucking plunge or keep crying about crappy keycaps
>>108673465No I dont think I will thank you
>>108673465I don't know, man. I got a gmk set on sale for like 50 bucks and I still don't see what the big deal is. I value the profile more than the quality of the keycaps themselves and cherry profile fucking sucks.
>>108671282OG Carbon was so good with the orange R1 caps
>>108673027These >>108671930 but it's only $18
now it's this soulless garbagecan't have any personality anymore
>>108673501Render>>108673508What the colors always actually looked like when printed
>>108673513nopethat's Carbon R1Carbon R3 got rid of the orange personality
you can see the real thing here >>108671282>>108673496lucky you
>>108673508>>108673513 is rightpic is how the R1 looks irl
>>108673364There's a Russian CS:GO2 youtuber who has that exact keyboard in your pic
>>108667547having tried both a kinesis classic (same chassis as advantage but older firmware) and a glove80, the glove80 blows the kinesis out of the water. keywell, thumb cluster, keycaps, keyswitches, adjustability, build quality, all are better on the glove80.
Any keycaps that arent $100? $50 is the max I would ever pay for a set.
i'm waiting for a new credit card to pick up the evo80
>>108673800>$50 is the max I would ever pay for a set.https://cannonkeys.com/collections/clearance
>>108673831whats the texture like? Not that shitty fake feeling plastic shit right?
What haplened to media buttons?
>>108673839I've never tried NicePBT but I got a set of CannonCaps last december with a bundle. They're smooth, not textured if that's what you're asking. The thickness is good. They're not amazing but they're better than shit off amazon. I'm just not a fan of cherry profile in general.
>>108673924I dont know why the caps from Amazon are so bad.
>>108673924just bought the cannoncaps cxa profile keycaps. 80 bucks but wth, I got fuck you money. also got these>>108671930Cause Im obsessed with keycaps
>>108673932Because they are maximum chinky with no quality control for normgroids. When you really get into this hobby, you start to get autistic about smaller and smaller details and your standards get higher.If you're this guy >>108671636 maybe look into DCS profile or something for less sharp keys. I don't know where you'd get a DCS set under $50 though. The cherry ones I linked are already clearance prices. And if you had more money than sense, I would recommend MTNU.
>>108673912They became F keys
>>108667399where is the copilot button?But in all seriousness, keyboard needs a numpad to be functional.
>>108674470>CoPilot buttonYou mean the Win+Shift+F23 macro button? Here, you can reprogram any key to that or just, you know, press that yourself. :^)
>>108673912fn+f keys
is there a good cheap wired mechanical tkl keyboard out there that is actually available to purchase?
>>108675772what is your definition of cheap
>>108674470no one uses a numpad grandpawe have digital calculators now
/g/ How can i use keyboard, when i've got no fingers.
>>108674426>>108675559But I want my f keys free for other stuff
>>10866739960% no mouse
What are some decent options for wireless keyboards? I mean having something to whip out to web browse and type whenever you don't want to cause a headache to everyone around you. I've heard that MX Keys, much like anything Logitech makes nowadays, is overpriced and has shit quality so idk. Would match my MX Master 3S but eh.
I just ordered a Keychron Q6 Ultra with Banana switches. I couldn't find a full sized keyboard with a metal case in silver and my layout so I chose this one.
>>108676137just buy it anonbad reviews are always a vocal minority
>>108675832I use the numpad daily for work as well as for a lot of older rpg games that are 1st person or top down view n a grid (think rpgmaker-like games) that virtually demand a numpad to move around or to navigate menus in games that were pre or early post mouse development.
>>108676187I also have hands-on experience with Logitech's attention to quality with my G502 HERO. Or the MX Master 3S not having a wired mode despite having a USB-C connector. Or their software always being dogshit. So maybe there are better options.
100% keyboard with finger trackball aligned to the left in front of keyboard
>>108675798below 100 usd
cycle7 here. playing around to make LGui+4 work, its supposed to be like alt + f4 since this keyboard lacks f-keys. for some god damn reason f4 doesnt work. holding LT 1 button down + pressing literally ANY of the number keys works as an alternative way to press f keys just not f4. I can refresh pages with LT 1 + 5 for example just not LT 1 + 4. They 4 key works properably since I used it in this text alone several times. is there some kind of fucked up trick? I dont want to use macros I want it to properly work, no work arounds please.
>>108676396update. tested the macro out of curiosity and "LAlt + F1-9" works with literally every key other than LAlt + F4. this kind be right, there is something odd about f4.
>>108676137Keychron B6 Pro Ultra-Slim Wireless Keyboard
Where do you recommend to buy keyboards and switches, except for Amazon? Is AliExpress any good for that?
>>108676800Aliexpress is fine, but also just look at the vendor list in the OP.
Mechanical keyboards have reached their peak. The only thing that differentiates a keyboard above $150 from its cheaper alternatives is a metal bottom plate or a metal weight, which is like the most artificial and easiest way to make something more expensive. Not to mention switches are super cheap and great all around. There are only 2 ways to make keyboards better, one is to evolve the form factor, which is what you're seeing with ergo boards becoming more popular. The other is to create a new switch form factor outside of cherry MX, which for some reason I've only seen gamer brands try, and every attempt has been shit.
>>108676080numpad
>100% keyboard>right shift key is shortenedSick fucks
>>108676986That's not 100%That's an 1800100% is full sized, including the right side.1800 uses a condensed right side, usually giving a shortened shift key among others. 96% is even more condensed.
>>108676876cope and seetheGeon destroyed every gasket and top mount board from the competitionbefore Geon we suffered from creamy thoccy choccy floppy cocky foamshit from crap like Mr. Suit or overpriced crap from TGR and Keycult
we RVTURNED to Cherry and switch moddingwe embraced pure design that doesn't get carried by endless sheets of foamwe embraced clean clacks over muddy thockswe embraced the perfect unity of form and function <$500we embraced user friendly design with no fear of running out of spare plates or PCBs or proprietary Chinee bullshitwe embraced the SCRATCHyou don't have to argue the point, the free market speaks for itselfand it speaks the same no matter where you areHALLELUJAH
>>108677123just get an optical kb for $15, then stem swap, lube, film and call it a day. add some $18 tai-hao cubic profile keycaps. mogs that trash
>>108677637very weak bait but okay
spot the issue
>>108677979too tall. but isnt that the profile that has R2 or whatever high height anyway?
>>108677979It's a >>>TKL
>>108677986that's GMK Mutedwhat some people don't know is certain switches will make the keycaps appear talleryou can see it quite clearly on the Control and Alt keys
>>108677816>baitnah im putting in some uhmwpe stems and 20g 24mm springs my nigga. praise tai-hao
>respect the keycap designers bro
>>108677080*fucks your whole shit up*
>>108678810that's got nothing on this bad bitch
>>108678810There will always be exceptions100%/1800/96% are all pretty common standards though.
>let's move the F row and cut down the nav row and turn the top bezel into a pen holderAKB is literally the worst
cringe
>>108667399Keyboard rec: best keyboard, 75%, English, ANSI/ISO doesn't matter, budget unlimited, but I don't want to full autistic, without requiring too many or any mods at all
>>108680297>best keyboard>75%>budget unlimitedmode sonnet
RIP FILCO
>>108678822Does the octagon do anything
>>108680586end of an erafucking hell
she's a beautyyou'll always be remembered
>>108680586Really? What happened?
is there a good cheap (below a hundred dollars) wired mechanical tkl keyboard out there that is actually available to purchase? (no group buy)
>>108680790Diatec, the company behind the Filco brand, has shut down.https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20260424-filco-diatecHowever, I think Majestouch keyboards were manufactured by OEM Costar in Taiwan. I wonder if they will be still be sold, either by another brand or by Costar themselves, just like Fostex (original Japanese OEM for Denon headphones) started selling the old Denon headphones when the latter switched OEM to some shitty Chinese manufacturer.
>>108680840Damn, end of an era.
>>108680794get a Filcoprobably discounted hard rn
>>108680867175usd is well above my budget
>>108676396i ended up having to use powertoys, havent revisited this yet cos it wont work on linux
>>108681188so thats it? it just doesnt work like that? lol
>>108681194i misunderstood, i am trying to map alt+4 to alt f4, LT1+4 does work for me
holy fuck!10u!
fucking hellBAE in Dolch!
>meet a seller off mechmarket for the Glare>wear something cute and actuate his MX Black>get $300 off his asking pricenever pay the list price anons
why you keep posting this faggot shit bro
>>108682007It's too long
>>108683047
Lichicx raw silent big bumps feel so good in a stiff plastic case.
>>108681664>>108682007>no prnt screenYuck
>>108683125numbers should be on the left
>>108683125this feels like a prank
>>108683911a widescreen keeb for your ultrawide shitpanel
>>108683125this is like a sam hyde video aspect ratio
MX Gays
>>108670430but then where do you put the compose keykeyboards need more keys dammit
>>108676053https://talonvoice.com
Will the sun degrade my PBT double shot keycaps and ABS plastic if I have my desk left in the sun like this for a few hours every day? I guess I could extend this to my LCD monitor. Windows to my left.
>>108686363If it does, it should take decades to do, most car dashboards are made out of the same material as keyboards so if they do start fading early you have really low quality plastic>having a plastic key caps and plastic keyboardMine is metal and porcelain so I don't have this problem :3
missed typing on my q1, feels good
>>10866891648 hour update, i'm a big fan.It's not QUITE as "crisp" feeling for the click, but it loses all of the audible harshness that a normal click has.For me, it's great. As long as this thing holds up well over 2-3 years i'll happily buy another if they still make them.
>>108683911This feels like exactly what this mentally ill hobby would come up with
>>108683125ngl this actually appeals to me if you removed the knob and the last two keyrows and just bind them to a second layer on the board.
Anyone have the HIBI June? Wondering how dirty the silicone case gets
