>only works on steam games>hardware drmWhy does big tech always ruin everything?
>>108743360You can add non-Steam games to Steam and it will work, but it still sucks balls that you absolutely have to use Steam to use it
>>108743360>I am retardedwe know OP
>>108743367Yes and some games cannot be added to steamEven then, it misses functions when running non-steam games, configurations can't be loaded for the game>>108743375Faggot
>>108743379>Yes and some games cannot be added to steamExplain
>>108743379>somehow, a controller implementing new methods of interactions should work on any gameI have a Stadia controller and Steam is the only way I can reliably use it on games though their translation layer. Go be ungrateful somewhere else, kid
>>108743390Any UWP or Xbox app game cannot be added as they run sandboxed. And even the games that can be added, the game profiles have to be made manually each time by the user even if steam has the profile already
>>108743396people forget that only xbox controllers really work with xinput, every other controller needs to work around it.> inb4 But my 8bitdo controller can do ityour 8bitdo controller pretends its an xbox controllerEven microsoft wants to kill xinput that's why they created GameInput back in 2018 and ported it to Windows in 2025. Because xinput it's shit and limited.>>108743400>my game's DRM does not allow me to use the best available PC input manager.Goy I..
>>108743416Sandboxing is not DRMController Hardware requiring proprietary trash (steam) to have functioning buttons is DRM
>>108743420It doesn't require Steam you fucking retard. Do you get your info from paid shills on 4channel? lmao
>>108743437>It doesn't require Steam you fucking retard
>>108743420>Sandboxing is not DRMmy flatpaks are sandboxed and all of them have proper input supportSteam input is just a wrapper around SDL anon.SDL is how a bunch of games are able to have support for various controllers without Steam Input.The reason we use Steam input is because from both a user's and a developer's perspective it becomes very easy to extend fucntionality without additional burden from the developer's perspective.Should valve add a very basic "xinput mode" just for you? I don't see why not. But I also don't see why I wouldn't just use Steam which is already better.
>buy a bmw engine>nooooo why does it only fit cleanly into a bmw
does it work in retroarch but only if I grab the steam version of retroarch?
>>108743444
>>108743473Did you actually stop reading there or are you baiting?
>>108743437Even valve says it requires steam you retard
>>108743462Every other controller on windows works without proprietary software/launcher and doesn't care about the source of the game's store
>>108743477Yes meaning you can't use it as a controller and the sticks don't function as sticksUseless trash
>>108743360Just wait for someone to make a 3rd party program to map the inputs to x-input/d-input like what DS4Windows did for Dualshock 4 and Dualsense.
>>108743504Yes and only add input lag to a $100 controller
>>108743491then buy any other controller?
>>108743518>No argument >statement as a question Hello plebbit
>>108743528>i need to be enraged at something>pick something that inconveniences me only if i explicitly choose to interact with it>ahh literally anudah shoahhello X (formerly shitter)
>>108743558Where is your argument?
Just use Linux>but II thought you hated DRM
>>108743595Even on loonix it doesn't work without steam
Yes you need some third party application to translate steam input into xinput/kbm, but the og stream controller has this problem 10 years ago. It's been solved (of course by non valve engineers on github). SISR, and before that Glossi and before that glosc. They're all made by the same guy, and are mostly just the same thing. It has always sucked that valve both denied users access to change the firmware config and also defaulted the controller (both steam controller and deck in windows) to this unintuitive trash configuration when it's plugged in without steam. Like the TouchPad is a mouse in that situation, fine, but even though it's literally the same buttons as an Xbox controller, they decide to map them to a bunch of incorrect keyboard keys and disable the joysticks.They could literally load a bog standard xinput device driver plus TouchPad driver to fall back on when steam isn't running (or when interacting with an admin window) and everybody would be happy instead of calling it "a brick if steam isn't running". Total cunts.
>>108743509Barely any.Like I don't think you understand how fast it is to take one byte and convert it to another byte.
>>108743491>Connect dualsense>Close steam>Open Xbox app with gayme pass PC because I got that shit for free for 1 month, why the fuck not>Open game>Controller doesn't work
>>108743607>barely anylolShow me benchmarks for this controller if and when some buggy software tries to get it to work without steam games
>>108743610Try wired
>>108743360nu/g/ is retarded and loves Valve and Steam, even though Gaben is the biggest DRM faggot there is. It's kind of funny that even majority of Linux fags here sucks Valve cock and shit like GoG that focuses on DRM free games get's ignored.
>>108743599There is a specific driver for it, soooooo.........
>>108743626They're all redditfags, chocking on valve's dick
>>108743622Why should I have to play wired?It doesn't work wirelessly, a gamepad that's designed to play wirelessly. A wireless gamepad even, with a battery and everything.
>>108743640Because your argument is invalid when compared to steam controller that doesn't work with any game outside of steam no matter how you connect it
>>108743648You're giving me a workaround, and there's a workaround to play (wirelessly) with the steam controller without steam, on Windows. Which is better than "cuck yourself to the wire".
>>108743662It's not a workaround The controller works wired in every single game
>>108743678It is a workaround, because I cannot use all the functionality in the controller normally.Now get on it Sony, develop that wireless driver pronto.
>>108743595>I thought you hated DRMwhich is why you shouldn't be using (((steam))) in the first placeGOG or pirate
>>108743612You may miss a frame, but it will be very uncommon.
>>108743360valve is the same as every other american company-highly unregulateddon't see the point of complaining, you have to change the whole system
>>108743360>only works on steam gameslol'd at wintards
What's with all the gutter retards recently? As I understand this thing works exactly like the old controller they made over a decade ago. Why didn't all the retards froth at the mouth & shit & piss themselves back then and throughout the whole decade since?
>>1087440551. Not enough people cared about the thing2. Not enough competition3. Valve was absolutely nowhere near as maligned as it is nowadays, with the exception of an EULA they pushed people to acceptAlso we live in "my freedom and my privacy are important" times. Before nobody gave a shit about being bound to a service if they weren't negatively being affected by it. Today applefags of the past are presumably really concerned about corporations having their information in an absurd, very ironic way.
>>108743416Why doesn't Valve use GameInput ?
>>108744078As a form of DRM and to abuse their monopoly
>>108744091oh
>>108743504or just add a profile to sc-controller
>>108744078Why would they use some proprietary microsoft shit?
>>108744078I don't think I've seen a stupidest post in a whole week
>>108744206stupiderrrr*
>>108744101So that their controller works on 95% of PCs? Do you have any other retarded question?
>>108744210It already does tho
>>108743360>only works on steam gamesWindows issue. If you had Linux, SDL would let you use it on any program.
>>108744078>GameInputDoesn't support trackpads or dual stage triggers.
>>108744229DRMValve chooses to break the hardware when not using their monopoly
>>108744210Yeah, I do actually. Valve should care about this why, exactly? PC users without Steam aren't even their customers.
>one more dayHold me, bros...
>>108744253Is it DRM though? Does any security measure stop you from making your own controller mapping software which supports this controller?
>>108744210The controller is already going to work on 100% of their customers' PCs. You need a Steam account to buy a controller in the first place, therefore every person who purchases a controller is a Steam user by default since you cannot even get it otherwise, as such everyone who buys one is going to be able to use it as well.If you're not a Steam user, why are you even looking to buy a Steam controller? Clearly it's a product made for their users, not for you. Just don't buy one. Do you just spend time seething and crying about things that are addressed to people other than yourself, simply because they exist?
>>108743472if you download it from their website and then add it to steam as a non steam game, it also works
>>108744751Yes. It literally does not function as a controller but as a keyboard and mouse without steam. Meaning sticks don't work like sticks and the triggers don't work like triggers and the buttons are keyboard keys
>>108743477Oh what, is this real? I will wait for release to see if any nerd fix and make it work without steam, but if it's not possible I will just get a DS5 instead.Fuck ecosystem locks.
>>108744811Says here it works completely fine
>>108744811That's not what DRM means lmaoSounds like there is no DRM and you can make your own binding program if you don't like Steam since there is no technical reason for you to be unable to do so, nothing is stopping you.
>>108744845This chart is retarded, Bazzite is just like any other Linux distro but for dumb people, if it works there what is stopping people to install the same modules/software in other distros?
>>108744864Controller doesn't function as controller Relying on their service runningDRM >>108744845Retard
>Steam controller>Need Steam to runWhy act surprised?
dont act like this shit isnt gonna get week 1 native support on every linux distro
>>108744891Yes that means it's green across the board
>>108744923No matter how much you screech and lie, it's still not DRM.People wrote sc-controller for the old one so you can do it for the new one. Just write your own mapper, there is no DRM stopping you. You're not incompetent, are you? ;)
>>108743360>>108744845Hahahaha what a piece of shit.
>>108744957>DRM is not DRM because it hurts my feefees and I must protect my favorite corporation
>>108744980What are you talking about? The controller works fine without steam. I'm not going to buy one because I already have two luxurious 8bitdo controllers.
>>108744980I like how the word DRM has lost all meaning these days. Originally the word meant software (or hardware) that was designed to protect intellectual property rights. So for a controller like this, it could take the form of a lockout chip that prevented anything but a manufacturer signed driver from interacting with it.... but no. Now DRM is not having a Windows driver.
>>108744985>The controller works fine without steamThe trackpads work as a mouse and the buttons map to random keyboard keys. The analog sticks do nothing. What about that is "working right"?
>>108744980Yes it is not DRM. There are no security measures in place preventing you from using the hardware as you wish, you are free to do whatever you want. You're just having an impotent whine while attempting to lie and mislead people.
>>108744078Because it's microsoft only, it's still extremely limited and valve already uses SDL which works everywhere
>>108745385what makes you think that is the case? it only happens on windows, mac os and android. you aren't going to fill spreadsheets, flail around in photoshop or make phone calls with a game controller
>>108744980Show me where in the controller you're prevented from making your own input utility that handles input in all sorts of ways.You won't be able to because the controller implements to no such DRM. Because it's just a complex input device and you're gay.
>>108745405Considering this threat is 20% OP coping and seething and ~70% people calling him out for being a lying retard I'm not sure I'd even classify this as an attempt at misleading people. More like a pathetic display of failure and humiliation.
>>108743360FUCKING LET ME BUY IT ALREADY GABEN YOU FAT OVERWEIGHT ROUND BULGING MASSIVE TOWERING SUBSTANCIAL LUMPISH INFLATED LARGE IMPOSING MOUNTAINOUS COLOSSAL PLUMP GINORMOUS HUGE MONOLITHIC WALLOPING CYCLOPEAN MEATY CORPULENT MONUMENTAL HULKING BOUNDLESS LEVIATHAN BLUBBERY HUMONGOUS VAST GIGANTESQUE OBESE IMMEASURABLE MONSTROUS VOLUMINOUS IMMENSE PUDGY ELEPHANTINE SIZABLE BROBDINGNAGIAN FLABBY HEAVY OVERSIZED CONSIDERABLE HEFTY BLOATED TUBBY BIG-BONED ROTUND GARGANTUAN WELL-FED LARDWHALE NIGGER
>>108743360you can literally emulate xinput with software, you don't even need to add games as non steam games, is everyone here a technoobfag
>>108743360>it only works on steamthis is a lie. it just doesn't have xinput, which means it's the same as controllers before Microsoft used their money to get everyone to use xinput. Steam has built-in cross reference input systems for controllers so that games that only work with xinput can be used with raw hardware controller (aka direct input)
I do not want to use steam to use the steam controller
>>108746565>is everyone here a technoobfag
>>108743360Linux has built in drivers, it's just windows that's cucked because of xinput
>>108743360nothing stopping game devs from supporting it directly
I use my steam controller and steam deck as xinput for my windows partition with scsi and steamdecktools. for a bunch of sMaRt computer nerds, you’re all retarded
>>108743367This is a consequence of literally no company making an alternative to steam input.
>>108747175Nah, on Linux you have same limited cucked functionality you have on Windows without SteamThe only special Linux drivers are for the old, completely different Steam Controller.
>>108749348if it works on bazshite it will work on any fucking distro
It's the 4th. Where can I order?
>>108749348>>108744845This image literally says otherwise.
>>10875015710 hours too early. I hope you have better luck in 5 hours and 52 minutes.
>>108749348Bazzite doesn't have exclusivity rights to valve's drivers, they're a shitters distro by (ironically enough) a gay fat microsoft employee
>>108750157They start at 10 AM freedom time so in about 6 hours or so. Only on steam
>>108743367>>108743360>only works on steam gamesOn windows. On linux you can use it for whatever lmao
>>108750838Nah
>>108750838even on linux it only works as a KB+Mouse. Though I give freetards about a week or so for driver to make it work without steam
>>108743400>Any UWP or Xbox app game cannot be added as they run sandboxed. That's on Microsoft for being retarded
>>108750852Sandboxing games is not retardedBut valve has locked up the entire functionality of the controller in their store client
>>108750838>blah blah windows>blah blah linuxNot everything uses those. And not everything will get a special snowflake update just so it can work with a single controller. Protocol standards exist for a reason.
>>108743360>>only works on steam gamesyou can add anything to steam or just change the desktop binding>>hardware drmthe old one always worked fine in sc-controller whenever i felt like not launching steam. You'll always need some app to configure it and if you don't like tweaking the controller simply is not for you, which is fine; move on
>>108743367I'd give it a couple of months but I bet at some point they will just release drivers for generic use.
>>108744923>>108743360you can configure whatever you like using software that's free as in both beer and speech perfectly according to Ibn Staleiman's teaching's (if we conveniently ignore you need a steam account and run proprietary javascript to even buy it as with most internet purchases nowadays).
Everyone is hung up on it requiring steam which isn't even the biggest problem.It's a mediocre controller slathered in capacitive touch and 2x the price of actually good controllers.
>>108752153that's for the old controller from a decade agothat shit doesn't work with the new one
>>108743360god fucking dammit, ive tried 3 times
>>108753191I tried 20. Just spam the button.
it's over
Out of stock in the US in 40-ish minutes is crazy
>>1087531913?Nigga it took me like 500. I maximized steam and just kept mashing the fucking button relentlessly.
>>108753191give the cc number back, Boris
Buying this shit was an IQ testlet spam = setInterval(() => document.getElementById("submit_payment_info_btn")?.click(), 100);>mfw this stupid shit actually fucking worked
let spam = setInterval(() => document.getElementById("submit_payment_info_btn")?.click(), 100);
just bought mine. might resell for 150 if i don't like it.
>>108753164no shit. it'd need to be updated to support it. still no 'hardware DRM' like OP suggests. Games (at least on gnu/linux) could in theory even support it directly through SDL.
>>108753310
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>>108743360Wow. Are there people here defending this? Lmao. I buy a $30 controller and can use it anywhere, not only my on pc. Phone, tablet, TV.Pathetic
>>108753368without gyro, trackpads or sensitive thumb sticks but yeah totally the same thing lil bro
>>108753419based
>>108750859>Sandboxing games is not retardedThe way MS does it absolutely is as it's only done as a form of DRM.Just don't buy shit on the Windows Store, it's that simple.
>>108753228it keeps switching back from out of stock to available>>108753210>>108753248thanks, worked for me
>>108753382There's a thousand controllers with gyro. Trackpads and capacitive thumbsticks are memes.Would you defend a $200 steam controller? $300? After all, there's no other controller on the market with capacitive grips, thumbsticks and pads. It's practically a steal at any price.
>>108753625>Would you defend a $200 steam controller?that's basically the Dualsense Edge, since its fully supported by Steam Input, and has 4 hours of battery life to boot alongside potentiometer sticksthe Razer Raiju V3 is much the same but at $170 and lacks any rumble or gyro
>>108753625>Trackpads and capacitive thumbsticks are memes.used them on the deck and they are not a memeit's 100 bux >>108753318
>>108753673The gamesir cyclone 2 has everything besides the capacitive sensors with better buttons, better triggers, wider support, a charging stand, aux port and costs $45.It's not 2004 anymore grandpa, 3rd party controllers from gamesir, 8bitdo and flydigi have been outdoing 1st party controllers on cost and quality for a decade.
>>108753729>better buttonssubjective>better triggerssubjective, though dual stage would be neat if not widely used>wider supportsteam input literally supports everything and makes other controllers do the same>a charging standit has that, basically>aux portlol>and costs $45i myself own gamesir and 8bitdo controllers but only a few of the 8bitdos can do full steam inputnone of them have trackpads or quadruple back buttons so I am looking forward to seeing if this is the new normal for me
>>108753729Poor nigger tranny seething because he didn't get one in time>inb4 i didn't even want oneSure anon. Continue to cope claiming your chinese shit brand controller is worth it
I BOUGHTED.
>>108753756Microswitches being better than rubber dome is subjective? Dual stage micro switch locking switches being better is subjective?>steam input literally supports everything and makes other controllers do the sameSteam input emulates xinput and dinput. Other controllers just werk on any device WITHOUT steam input. That's the definition of wider support.>it has that, basicallyIt has a puck not a stand. I can pick up my controller and it just connects, I don't need to disconnect a puck and turn it on. For $100 I would expect to not have to 3d print $.02 of plastic myself.>aux port lol$100 for missing features kek>none of them have trackpads or quadruple back buttons so I am looking forward to seeing if this is the new normal for meI have the original steam controller. The trackpads are mildly useful for controlling a pc from the couch, it's just worse in every way for games. No one is going to spend hours configuring radial menus for emotes and customizing every action item when the game is DESIGNED around normal controllers.Quadruple back buttons might be more useful than two but not double the price more useful.>>108753762I don't need to claim my chinese controller is worth it kek, it's not $100. You paid double for removing standard features, cheaping out on switches, and adding meme capacitive sensors.Double for a worse controller and a worse mouse.
>>108753828>Microswitches being better than rubber dome is subjective?yes some people hate em some people love emyou literally can't appeal to everyone because one person will hate what the other lovescase in point: my tarantula pro has a microswitch dpad and people gripe about that but I'm fine with it>Other controllers just werk on any device WITHOUT steam input.they just fake it with HID hardware profiles lmaoidk why retards are so caught up on xinput especially these days its a fucking retarded ancient hamstring shitheap of a protocol>I don't need to disconnect a puck and turn it onit turns on when you remove it from the puckyou can print a stand if you want lmao>aux port stilllollmao evenliterally who the fuck uses this>it's just worse in every way for games.oops another NPC who got filteredgot it lmao
>>108753828>Microswitches being better than rubber dome is subjective? Dual stage micro switch locking switches being better is subjective?Not him but microswitches come in many different varieties just like rubber pads. The heavier these are the more absolute dogshit they are for quick movements. They are more "precise" but they just feel fucking wrong after a while. The only gamepad I've used with microswitches worth a shit is the mobapad huben 2 (both dpad and face buttons use microswitches) and the buttons still need to be actually softer and more linear. Otherwise I prefer my dualsense which is just more comfortable to use when I really need to mash the fucking thing even if the d-pad is a little bit shitty with the diagonals sometimes.
>>108753848>you literally can't appeal to everyone because one person will hate what the other lovessome people love the xbox dpad and i hate it. it's dogshit.
notice how mad he got when he is not the target audience? that's called main character syndrome
>>108753911>main character syndrome
>/g/: it's going to flop!out of stock within seconds
>>108753920/g/ is also always wrong >>108753348
>>108753729nigga what, youre exposing yourself for not understand gyro lmfao, no controller of gamesir, 8bitdo or flydigi have good gyro, ive owned all of them, only ps5 controller has as good gyro as the steam controller and it has no back buttons, no trackpads, no tmr sticks etc etc etc
>>108753928>only ps5 controller has as good gyro switch pro controller
>>108753945And just with one sentence, you completely lost the argument and have no chance of remedying that.
>>108753952I'm not him. I also didn't read the reply chain
>>108753945i actually forgot about that one but that controller is somehow worse than the ds5 and costs only 10 euros less than the steam controller with half of its features
>>108743360This sold out in 30 minutes; you don't understand how many people are willing to pay for Valve's hradware.
>>108753985eh, I just want new hardware regardless
>>108753928>>108753945both don't have tmr sticks or good trackpads
>people non ironically defend hardware drmlmao
>>108753729I have two half broken gamesir controllers and one half broken 8bitdo one. The quality control is horrendous. My powera, flydigi, xbox, ds4/5, and steam controller all still work though. Gyro wise, I'm limited to DS4/5 or steam controller.
>>108753625>Trackpads>are memesI'll only buy another controller of my SC1 fails and the gyro and trackpads are very much not a meme. It shines on strategy games, FPSs, or anything else that you'd normally use mouse and keyboard for. Controllers other than the steam controller have always been a compromise when playing something other than console slop. With the steam controller it still is, but it's a lot closer to mouse&keyboard in bandwidth while being usable on a couch and essentially compatible with all your old games.
>>108754037Steam is a good company since they are private and for gamers. Everyone needs to support them!
Will I be able to lend my steam controller or will it be tied to the account?
>>108754037>muh hardware DRM>all you have to do is install steam or an open source driverDo words have any meaning to you or are you just a troglodyte trying and failing to imitate human language with no grasp of what it means?
>>108754053these people are retarded and their experience with gyro is from a random ps4 game in 2015, they don't know that gyro is the only thing that makes controllers competitive with mouse and keyboard, they have no idea how good it is, gyro needs to go mainstream for people to stop giving retarded takes about it, go watch gyro compilations on youtube or stay behind technologically and never adapt like a faggot
>>108743360If any other company did this for their controller, they would be criticized immensely. Imagine having to run some proprietary Microsoft or Sony client to use your controller. They should really provide a Foss solution that provides all the functionality of the controller on any non steam game.
>>108753983it works well enough to wreck lynels in totk and botw
>>108754073other companies don't control the biggest game store front and launcher for pc gamers so it would be a stupid decision
>>108753848>valve cheaps out on hardware>i-its because some people LIKE worse thingsyeah sure>they just fake it with HID hardware profiles lmaoI don't care, my controller works on my android phone, tablet, tv, pc and laptop. I don't need to check if steam input works on all of them to know the controller works.>you can print a stand if you want lmao$100 lmao. Might as well print a better controller while I'm at it>literally who the fuck uses thisMan, coming from someone who bought a controller with 50 capacitive sensors this is rich. Why would anyone want an audio interface across the room from their pc? I can just nigger gesture all over my controller for 10 seconds to switch audio inputs.>>108753928>she waves her controller around like a fucking sperg while playing games>she's willing to pay double because i-its just better alrightI prefer good triggers and buttons. I think the mass majority of people would because that's what you're using most of the time with a controller. I don't wii-mote my way through games.>>108754053I have the SC1 and use it all the time to control my pc from my tv. It's shit for gaming, no one plays tww3 or sc2 with a trackpad. "Shines" is such an overstatement, it's literally cope.Like skyrim modding anyone who mods the fuck out of their sc settings spends more time modding than playing. Then you have to relearn all your gestures and swipes when you come back to the game later.
>>108743360Because there is a large enough percentage of the population who are idiots that will gladly bend over and take it up the ass from big tech.
>>108754099>she waves her mouse around like a fucking sperg while playing gamesyou understand how retarded you sound nigga
Just another dose of reality check to the people who don't matter.All these special faggots complain about mass-produced, mass-consumer goods/services.
>>108754099>>108754120
>>108753828>Steam input emulates xinput and dinput.that, and mouse and keyboard, which is conveniently ignored throughout the thread. if you only play games that support controllers you're, frankly, a console tourist. this isn't an xbox controller. This is made for real computer games.
>>108754129you can literally change the sensitivity like a mouse if you want to be able to move less or more, how is this different from a mouse lmfao, imagine people in the late 90s calling mouse players retarded because "they need to wave a device around" holy retardation
>no 3.5mm jackLook, I don't want to give Microsoft credit for any reason, but this is one of the few things they get right. The Xbone game pad steams audio with CD quality or was it better and no perceivable latency.
>>108754141they did. those were the people who used the arrow keys for aiming in doom in 1993. retards still exist just the same. those are mainly console peasant tho. i thought pc gamers were better than this desu.
>>108743360>>only works on steam gamesskill issue
>>108754083That just means its abuse of power and anti competitive behavior.
>>108754163other companies should compete then instead of laying down and taking it up the ass from gaben and his goons. free market bitch.
>>108754163>>108754171crying about it and asking big daddy government for gibs and suing valve is anti competitive behaviour and against the spirit of the free market. filthy communists using tax money to sue other companies for damages. abusing the legal system and wasting tax payer money and time. should all lined be up against a wall and shot or send to china.
>>108754120idk you're the one playing pc games on a couch and doing windmill arms to keep up with some dude flicking his mouse.>>108754130>This is made for real computer gamesHoly edgelord. This controller is MADE for the steam machine that doesn't even have a release price yet because it'll piss everyone off. It's cope for playing games that rely on a mouse, I would know because I've tried playing mouse input games on the steam controller 1. It sucks no matter how many custom profiles you cope with.Thumb and trackpad gives a fraction of the control you get holding a mouse so it's not competitive at all. For casual play you can use the tard gyro like the other anon but you always go back to knowing a wireless mouse would just make the experience better.A 3rd party controller with actually good buttons and a wireless mouse is better for both pc control and gaming, it's also cheaper and not out of stock from scalpers kek.
Gameinput (from microsoft) got updated recently to support gyro and some additional buttons. So expect some official controllers from Microsoft with the features that steam, sony, and nintendo all have. I expect to to see Android and iOS updates coming in about two years as well.
>>108754212 >doing windmill arms to keep up with some dude flicking his mouseyou know you can change your gyro sensitivity right? you know theres reset buttons? you know what flickstick is? >idk you're the one playing pc games on a chair and doing windmill arms to keep up with some dude using arrows to aim on doom 1993
>>108754214xbox is the last "platform" that doesn't support gyrothey got the bast shape, some of the worst sticks when it comes to reliability and a shit dpadi am ready for the gyro revolutionas always valve innovates and everyone follows
>>108754229>shit dpadthis is not the 360 controller. xbone dpad is great
>>108754292it's bad. the dpad on both the ps4 and switch controller is better.
>>108754221>"thanks for the brainfood mom, I just had a gaming session against a dad who just got home from work, it was a real workout! I think just two more days of dialing in my quantum tunneling, 3d space stickflick cartwheel moveset trigger and filing down the triggers for less drag and I'll win for sure!"irreversible brand damage seeing yours and all the other redditors' gyro-cope profiles, only to lose to the arrow aim dad kek
>>108754298clicky dpad is better than mushy dpad
>>108754312ragebait used to be believable
>>108754171>>108754198Not saying the government should intervene. I'm just saying you should not buy it with its current requirements. That's how the free market works.
>>108754361>should not buy>how the free market workssure, chud
The best part about the steam controller is that other companies will copy it and make it better.
>>108754410*cheaper and worse
>>108750850>>108750838>>108751948i havent looked but i expect gamepad usb hid doesn't allow for touchpads because they werent invented back thendoesn't make a lot of sense for it to show up as kb+mouse rather than gamepad and mouse though.in windows, as in linux, if you are prepared to replace the driver you can do as you please. although linux defaults to libusb or whatever its called for unknown devices there is nothing stopping you from installing a CA and writing an ini to load winusb and then you can just read and write to raw pipes. even easier just use zdiag to do it for you except it picks a DI GUID at 'random' which is annoying.
just used it on my emulator, works on my machine
>>108743360there's no hope op, people with take gaben and steam cock up their ass until the endsame with snoy and applel
>>108743360so does this work or not on linux without steam say with epsxe or pcsx2 or whatever other console emulator
>>108754388Yes. People sharing knowledge and experiences about products and services, which people keep in mind when deciding to exchange a currency for it. People should know what the longer term risks and dependencies are when they buy a product. A piece of hardware should never be tied to a proprietary piece of software to function.
>>108754535fuck off stallman
>>108754415He will be our saviour.
WORKS ON LINUX WITHOUT STEAM RUNNINGONLY WINDOWS USERS NEED STEAM TO BE RUNNING
>>108754448>doesn't make a lot of sense for it to show up as kb+mouse rather than gamepad and mouse though.It's so tat you can launch steam using it>>108750850The deck controls already have some alternative open sauce driver and this one is basically the same as that.
>>108754666>WORKS ON LINUX WITHOUT STEAM RUNNINGBASEDBASEDBASED
>>108753348This is nothing compared to when the Deck was released.
>>108754814
>>108754814nintendies are on another level (of mental illness). this this just a controller. steam machine is prob going to be just the same again but from pc fags who can't fathom the idea having a small cube in a living room.>>108754822love this webm
>>108754566Maybe go buy some meta glasses retard.
>>108754932maybe get a better comparison >>108753348>>108754666https://github.com/kozec/sc-controller
>>108754822kek people still buy nintoddler shit?
>>108756365Why are you linking irrelevant software that has nothing to do with Steam Controller 2?
>>108756520>nothing to do with the steam controller 2there is no steam controller 2. both use steam input by default and the original also "only works with steam".
>>108756536Steam Controller 2 works as a game controller on Linux without Steam running.You have been misled.
>>108756553>Steam Controller 2 works as a game controller on Linux without Steam running.>>You have been misled.>>108754535>Yes. People sharing knowledge and experiences about products and services, which people keep in mind when deciding to exchange a currency for it. People should know what the longer term risks and dependencies are when they buy a product. A piece of hardware should never be tied to a proprietary piece of software to function.
>>108756558Steam Controller 2 works on Linux without needing proprietary software because it has an open source kernel module and open source SDL. What's your problem?
xbox!!!!
>>108756571sounds like it is possible make an configuration tool >>108756365>https://github.com/kozec/sc-controllerfor the controller that works on windows with those open source tools that would not require steam to work in the background. like someone already did for the first controller. i replied to another anon >>108754932with your post and a link to the original tool as an example of how it is not comparable to some meta glasses which are just a black box for everyoneSEEE GUYS SSSS!!!! IT WORKS ON LINUX IT'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN ON WINDOWS. fucking sperg i am running linux right now but i feel third party shame from you and your shit posts. should valve have made the driver proprietary and only released a whql version via windows update or the steam client instead? oh they relied on open source tools like it's something bad for only windows users? fucking spastic. constantly spamming this dogshit like it is some sort or revelation. like you don't have to have a steam account to buy that thing already.
>>108756588I have no idea what you're sperging out over because you do a poor job of explaining yourself, sorry.Only you could find a way to be upset by open source software letting Linux users have more options than Windows users.
You can even use the controller in bios. Pretty cool
>>108756636it also allows for firmware updates via usb-c. someone is going to figure something out.
>>108745535>sipsahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is the life.
thumb bots could never...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSu4nAH1gm0
>>108743360I wanted to buy this day 1, but I hate DRM cuck solutions. I know having steam open is not an issue for 99,9% of the people. But I only use Steam for Denuvo Games and online Games. Everything else is DRM free for me and I don't want to rely on Steam for shit.However, paired with the Steam Machine / Deck, I wouldn't say this is an issue.
>>108756636>You can even use the controller in bios. Pretty coolBecause it's recognized as Mouse & Keyboard. This is "cool" yes, if you own a Steam Machine. They should have implemented a Switch from Controller input to Mouse & Keyboard, at least a fucking hotkey binding.
>>108756743>switch to controller mode>gyro doesn't work>trackpads don't work>backbuttons don't work>thumbsticks sensors don't work
>>108756703>one hundred and fourty nine A$$
>>108756750That sucks, but I get it.. they are promoting steam input and to be fair it's pretty impressive with all the layouts, macros and settings. But that's a deal breaker for me.Can someone please rip out Steam Input and release it as standalone app?
>>108756793has already been done for the first controller which didn't see wide adoption https://github.com/kozec/sc-controller
>>108756793lizard mode (it acting like a mouse and a keyboard) also allows the controller to act like a mouse and wake up a pc (or the steam machine) from sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Luuw2C3Ixk
I need to try the dpad for myself. It needs to be at least as good as the DualSense dpad.
>>108744078>Microsoft modern controller api >adds support for dualsense controllersWow its like there's a clear difference between a company trying to making something usable for all users vs one arbitrarily locking shit behind their walled garden. Valve are jews who want to lock their hardware to their chromium based software.Once steam stops opening on windows 10 due to end of life. It'll be the first instance of hardware being locked out of the the operating system it was created for.Fucking psychopaths support this behavior.
>>108757800>Once steam stops opening on windows 10 due to end of life.Bro, I'd love that. I'm a Gnu/Linux-Tard and this would be perfect, but I doubt this will be soon...I hate Valve's DRM Cuck walled garden, but I'd support them on this specific mission. I hope they will release USB Sticks with SteamOS for $4.99, or a fucking SteamOS_Installer.exe that takes care of everything and installs SteamOS loaded with their proprietary App (Steam) on the users System.
>>108757833Valve is dragging their fucking feet releasing a steamOS distro. Shit can't be that difficult. Not sure why they're beholding the OS to specific hardware that THEY release. Literally the opposite of what FOSS is about.And seeing how the steam controller isn't plug and play with android devices; there's definitely some bullshit going on behind the scenes at valve. Also they clearly just used the deck parts they had to make the controller.
Why can't people on a techncial /g/ board of all fucking places understand the xinput protocol doesn't support the four back buttons, the nor trackpads, and thus requires a separate (kernel) driver?One that isn't (yet) natively available on some platforms, and thus requires Steam in the meantime.Get over yourselves niggers, jfc. Go play on your crusty 360 controller instead.
>>108757866>Why can't people on a techncial /g/ board of all fucking places understand the xinput protocol doesn't support the four back buttons, the nor trackpads, and thus requires a separate (kernel) driver?yeah reading posts from retards in this thread makes me wonder how they can even turn on a computer
Why is this not illegal
>>108757905Because it's just supply and demand.
>>108743626>even though Gaben is the biggest DRM faggot there is.Valve is very drm heavy but far from being the heaviest, or else the steam deck and gabecube wouldn't have a desktop mode where you can install anything you want. Imagine if Apple or Nintendo made them (for the latter you don't have to imagine as you can just look at the switch where you even have to pay to connect it to the internet like it's 2006).
>>108757905You can report them and they get nuked, btw. At least for today and tomorrow, because you can't physically own once, yet. (if you aren't a shilltuber)
>>108743360https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/hid/hid-steam.cSorry, real operating systems do not have this problem.
>>108743626Thats not true. I don't like the drm faggorty. I just like that they support and improve linux, thats all. + it's definitely the best digital store, apart from piracy and drm free stores.
>>108757996Theoretically, would it be possible to take this, and write a Windows driver with XInput support?
>>108757866>xinput protocol doesn't support the four back buttons, the nor trackpads, and thus requires a separate (kernel) driver?https://github.com/microsoftconnect/GameInput/releasesIf only there was a modern replacement for xinput Microsoft has. Oh well. Also are we just playing dumb now and ignoring that Pic related exists.Lastly valve could have easily added xinput support and had the FUCKING CONTROLLER WORK expect for the back buttons, touchpads or whatever else is on there that 80% of gamers don't give a shit about.Having your hardware feature limited without your special specific software running is one thing.Forgoing the universal API and not even bothering to release a basic bitch driver so your hardware is gimped. That's some grade A jew shit
>>108757999>i'll betray my roots and ideology if it benefits me
>>108757866>Why can't people on a techncial /g/ board of all fucking places understand the xinput protocol doesn't support the four back buttons, the nor trackpads, and thus requires a separate (kernel) driver?It does, it just doesn't support ""special"" keyboard inputs, so they could make a default layout, where the back buttons are just 4 face buttons, same with the trackpads, just make them dpad/left analog + right analog.>>108757888>yeah reading posts from retards in this thread makes me wonder how they can even turn on a computerCan you guys imagine a red, spinning apple?
>>108758014I'm not a driver programmer but my intuition tells me to use something like cheat engine during normal use to see where the numbers for the pads or joysticks are stored, then outside of regualgame mode check to see if similar numbers are being pushed around, if the controller is able to be polled directly.
People want me strung up by my dick and my balls cut off for buying two with the potential of not keeping one of them...
Software locking controller support to your DRM store platform is the most disgusting shit I've ever heard of and nobody can defend itAnd these will be the same people defending it that threw an absolute shitfit when Sony said you need a PSN account for PC If Microsoft said controllers only work with xbox game bar there'd be riots
>>108758145Just use normal operating system: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/hid/hid-steam.cIt's working there without Steam.
>>108758145>>>/v/738228836They're sure as fuck defending it on /v/. That board is a lost cause. Nothing but 3rd world poorfags who only use steam their entire life. Even fucking reddit have more nuance about the controller requiring steam.
>>108758268imagine going on /g/ and wanting windows compatibility
>>108743444>steam steam steam and more steamNo.
>>108758145>Software locking controller support to your DRM store platform is the most disgusting shit I've ever heard of and nobody can defend itthey literally havent done that there are linux drivers for full controller support
>>108758145why the ever loving FUCK would valve give a shit about windows by this point?did microsoft provide directx compatibility for linux?then they can get fucked
>>108743626>Gaben is the biggest DRM faggot there is.Steam DRM is literally the simplest DRM out there. You can bypass it with a simple universal crack and even utilize steam networking via space wars to play online pirated games.Also, there is nothing forcing developers to use DRM on steam. It's entirely up to them to decide if they want any DRM. There is plenty of DRM free games on steam.
Reminder that all this anti valve shilling started when Valve BTFO'd rothschilds in court. NY case also started right after their victory.Jews are really upset at gaben.
>>108758145>DRM store platformSteam sells games, not DRM. You can release DRM free games on steam, it's up to the developers.
>>108758514Maybe if you're a retard yourself. Valve has always had security problems. Not just their own server but user accounts. Even though >>108758489 is mostly right, they still force DRM. Also OP is correct too. Far predates this shit. You're literally shilling an ex-Microsoft faggot who learned everything he could from them and then fucked off to use those same tactics.
>>108758521GOG mandates no DRM. Even for their own games.
>>108758529>Maybe if you're a retard yourself.No amount of name-calling will change the facts https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2023cv01016/323951/56/
>>108758543The facts that two greedy cunts were fighting?
>>108758548>Valve>greedyGet off my board
>>108758532GoG is tied to CD Projekt RedI love Poland but fuck that company
>>108758555>30%lmao
>>108758532And steam gives you the freedom of choice.
>>108758582>same cut as everyone elsetimmy, you're not fooling anyone
>>108758586Yeah, #1 sets the price and you think the investors and board would be happy with anything less in any other company? Even Tim Swiney isn't that greedy.
>>108758586unironically if valve would lower the rate to even 5% everyone else would follow
>>108758598timmy is a loser with a failing store, he doesn't get to say what's sustainable when his store is kept afloat by fortnitevalve in fact has a better cut than microsoft, sony and nintendo considering they provide less to developers and they have a flat cut rather than a regressive one like steam
PC imbeciles that pretended for so long that controllers are inferior to keyboard+mouse suddenly approve of controllers and want to suck Gabe's cock because there's now a controller with an official Valve label on it (that costs $100 plus tip goy), also Valve has all the Linux imbeciles sucking their cock for free as well
>>108758688>there's now a controller with an official Valve label on it (that costs $100 plus tip goy)no, it's because it's goodno one is arguing that it will replace mouse and keyboarddon't pretend like all that mystery meat chinkware is competing with it, it mogs all the pro controllers at half the price>also Valve has all the Linux imbeciles sucking their cock for free as wellso what do you play on that you have the confidence to call linux users imbeciles?
>>108758708I just hate Linux imbeciles that's it, everyone sane hates those mentally ill imbecile cultists
>>108758735>ducks answering the question
>>108758747What question? Am I not allowed to hate Linux imbeciles and that fat fuck Gaben? is this an interrogation by the Steam Linux cultist squad?
