>>108806830
Nice work on improving the distro guidance, OP.

I want to mod games. I play all of my games through steam. I use proton ge. I have searched and ask ai and I get many different answers.

Apparently it is not as simple as installing vortex with wine and selecting the game you have to mess with prefixes or something.

I also got a steam tinker launcher but don't know what it is desu.

I'm stuck basically because I dint want to mess up all my games and ai and web search is not helping.

Anyone here mod games on Linux?

>>108807139
SteamTinkerLauncher's whole deal is to bridge using shit like Vortex for certain game modding in a Linux/Proton environment.

>>108807139
https://github.com/limo-app/limo

>>108807139
Yes, but not through Steam. I use Bottles. But you should be able to mod Steam games too.
The only thing you need to know is that a "prefix" is just a virtual Windows machine. And each Proton game on Steam has it's own prefix. So unless there's some 3rd party tool to have a global mod manager for all your Steam games, you'd have to install your mod manager into each game's prefix individually.

Hey
Is there a way to get a network bridge working on my main Ethernet adapter, we'll call it Eth0, without having it lose connectivity? Asking for a home server that I can only access through ssh that would be totally inaccessible if I had to do that.
I need the network bridge for KVM and virtio so the Windows guest box I have can function.

>>108807355
Libvirtd should do all that for you

when the fuck is gentoo going to stabilise neovim 0.12 reeeee

How do I figure out how big my persistent storage is is Tails?

>>108807559
You can literally just add the keywords yourself to package.accept_keywords. Why do you need to wait?

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am I based for installing gentoo?

>>108807691
your image is of a low resolution

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>>108807719
cute animu girls are even cuter at low resolution

>>108807691
People on 4chan will think you're really cool! :D

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>>108807741
yay

I was thinking of building my own DE little by little (difficulty is not a concern). But after doing some research I'm seeing both Xorg and wlroots are surprisingly bloated. My idea was to build my own environment piece by piece as I needed it, thus avoiding unnecessary bloat. But the bloat seems to come with the protocols themselves.
This does not seem like a fun project anymore.

>>108806830
SEX WITH XUE
RIGHT IN THE RAT HOLE
SQUEEEEEK

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>>108807355
yes, the bridge needs to be the master. pic rel

Why the fuck do I have to type a 3 after Python for shit to work

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>108806830
any good distro finally?

>>108807844
python = Python 2.x
python3 = Python 3.x

>>108807844
alias it you stupid shit. fuck i hate python trannies.

>>108807796
is Xlbre better?

I installed Void Linux and I quite like its utilitarian straightforward nature. Its funny how it feels like Arch despite sharing no history with it.
Also runit feels great. Making symlinks to setup services is pretty sleek. It also means its very easy to understand exactly what services you've got going on.

>>108807796
In the end it's not that much different from Windows development, everything is bloat.
You could actually take a look at some stuff like dwm or bspwm and go from there.
https://docs.maxxinteractive.com/
Some guy made Irix desktop copy, not sure if it has source available though.

>>108807925
Nah, I was under the mistaken impression that this would be a cute little back-to-basics project and didn't count on all the decades-long cruft I'd have to deal with. At least now I understand better why the Linux ecosystem is such a mess (and Windows too, for that matter).
I do feel a bit more respect for Apple engineers keeping their shit relatively together after all these years of OS development.

I might end up installing IceWM or something like that and implementing applications instead.

I switched from Windows to Linux Mint four weeks ago. I have an RTX 3090, a 4K monitor, etc. After a conversation to figure out why my graphics card was spiking, the AI said that Linux Mint with Cinnamon is outdated and doesn’t support this modern hardware well, and that I should switch to GNOME 50 because it supports my hardware better.
Ubuntu 2604 supports GNOME 50, or is there another non-autistic distribution I should use?
I don’t want to have to switch again in four weeks.

Thanks, friendly Linux anon.

>>108808003
I have a 3090 and a 2K monitor myself. I play games like Crimson Desert and do AI inference without any issues. I'm using Artix with dinit and Xorg. If an autistic distribution like this works well, there's no reason you should have issues. Can you describe what this "spiking" is exactly? What drivers are you using?

>>108808003
I use a 4090 on Linux Mint Cinnamon and it works just fine. Your AI is retared.
Now that isn't to say certain settings may not need to be tweaked. What drivers are you currently using?
I'm actually using the nvidia-driver-580-open isntead of the 595. You might look to change your driver and see if that helps. Some people have good luck with nouveau drivers also.

>>108808003
bruh...
nvidia gpus spike on Linux in general, thank nvidia for their shit drivers.
>AI told me mint is old
>AI told me I should use Bloatbuntu 26.04 with Bloatnome as a DE
>somehow this will make my hardware run lighter
fuck...

>>108808068
>>108808034
Driver Version: 595.58.03
After disabling just about every single thing in Cinnamon, my idle power consumption dropped from ~80W to ~15W. I saw extreme spikes in nvtop and still see some of them;
I logged it using nvidia-smi dmon.
I lowered my monitor's refresh rate to 60Hz to get all the spikes under control.
GPU load sometimes jumped to 70%, and clock speed kept spiking from 200–400 to 1800 in idle mode.
After following the instructions, my GPU runs stable, but Cinnamon is a total mess.
Sorry, guys. But I’m actually sticking with my AI.

>>108808111
Friendly Questions Thread:
Which Gnome50 would you recommend for me?
> We're jerks
thanks for nothing fuckers

>>108807139
Fluffy mod manager works great from what I use, for the rest it depends but usually manual modding/patching isn't really harder just very slightly longer

>>108808111
>>108808173
I also had hardware problem on mint (amd though) and switching to a rolling distro (cachyos) fixed thep for me

>>108807876
Yeah it's pretty good for what it is

>>108807139
It really depends on the game, some games just need extra files played in the game dir. Anon, if it's not too private, may I ask which specific games you wanna mod?

Also, someone already mentioned bottles. You can basically use wine or any wine/proton wrapper and add your mod manger. For example I used the Street Fighter 6 mod manger via bottles (had to give permission to the steam path) but you can just use WINE or any other wrapper and point to your Steam Game.

Stay strong, don't give up.

>>108808111
I mean it is not wrong. GNOME 50 is a much better compositor than outdated Cinnamon.
It should have recommended KDE Plasma though.

>>108807862
Ywnba

>>108807844
why do i have to enter an env everytime i want to write something in python?????
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>108808559
correct, and you will never be a man.

>>108808173
If you specifically want Guhnome and won't accept KDE or COSMIC (still in beta but I have hopium for it) then my experience is that Ubuntu's Gnome feels better but it is heavier on RAM in my experience, but it also has some extensions that people like. Fedora is Gnome's homeland and it's pretty lightweight. It's completely different from Cinnamon, so you might find it to be weird. Just download the new 26.04 Ubuntu LTS or 25.01 ubuntu normal edition depending on how often you like to upgrade.

Is there a way to track the last (not latest) version of Fedora on Silverblue/Kinoite without switching to ublue who are probably going to abandon their GTS branch one day?

>>108808003
Install Bluefin or Aurora

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Is screen tearing a solved problem yet on linux?

So, to all the jerks who thought they had to keep a newbie hooked on Linux Mint.

Now I'm off to Fedora KDE Plasma.

>>108807859
Python should be Python3 in every distro nowadays and is in fact required be the Python standards.
>>108807844
Because your distro is broke.
https://peps.python.org/pep-0394/

>>108808400
>>108808710
>>108808227
Thanks, you guys have restored my faith in the Linux community. I spent some more time talking to the AI and also read through
https://www.fosslinux.com/156757/gnome-50-vs-kde-plasma-6-3.htm
and decided to go with KDE Plasma.
Now keep your fingers crossed that I won’t need another 5 days to find a halfway decent solution for the never-ending Realtek RTL8111/8168 rev 15 regression in the Linux kernel. It was already a total disaster when I switched from Windows to Linux.

>>108808861
>Just use Wayland
Every. Frame. Is. Perfect.

>>108807182
>>108807191
>>108807204
>>108808217
>>108808352
Was trying to mod Witcher 3 but I am on Artix and it updated and totally shit the bed lol so have been trying to fix it this whole time. I gave up just swapped to CachyOS thanks for the advice I have noted it down I need to download Witcher again now ffs.

I'll stick to using experimental type distros on my laptop not my gaming pc.

I am now installing CachyOS because my gf Claudia thinks that it's the best distro for me (she says Arch takes too much time and is annoying)

>>108808861
yea macos is great
just don't use 99.9% of external monitors available in the world or else your eyes will get raped by the fact that Apple thinks subpixel font rendering is not useful anymore

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Is there a way to install linux, in dual boot with windows, on a machine where windows is already installed without having with you a usb drive (or similar external devices)?

>>108809100
>have a spare hdd/sdd installed, add it to a virtual machine and install linux on it
or
>WSL2

>>108809100
>>108809131
Forgot to add, check WubiUEFI, it install linux on a file in your windows partition

>>108809100
Yes. You can flash a linux iso to a partition on your existing disk, boot into it as if it were a USB device, then install from there.

>>108808861
Never was a problem unless you had crippling skill issues or exceptionally broken drivers.

so when are we going to start gatekeeping the normies?
https://youtu.be/QK02VOGWEv0

>>108809219
Complaining about an OS that doesn't even come with your PC and you had to manually install makes no sense. Just be happy you can even install it.
>muh nVidia support is shit and this OS that clearly states nVidia support is in "beta" doesn't work well
User error. You're installing a custom OS on hardware known to be less compatible with Linux in general.
>mounting remote drives
This is a pain in the ass even on Windows. And to be fair, he's trying to mount a Windows specific remote drive rather than using a universal solution that works on Linux/Mac/Android.
>dragging the remote drive into the sidebar doesn't mount it, it creates a shortcut
Welcome back to 1999, when people thought Windows shortcuts were actual programs and wasted optical discs on burning shortcuts to them without realizing they're not actually moving executables let alone entire programs.
>missing codecs cause some video game cut scenes to be black
Media companies are to blame, but clearly there's a solution to this. I mean, if you've gone as far as to install an OS manually you can also install ProtonGE in the GUI application that ships with your distro. PC experience will never be as seamless as console experience, even if you opt for something dead simple like Batocera.

>>108809219
We already did that and then Arch Linux got an installer and it's been horse shit from there.

>>108809219
Jesus Christ that's a bad video, I know get what you mean.

How does Elijah not realise that the argument that games developers have to support multiple Linux distributions (if making a native port) hasn't been true for ages since the Valve Linux Runtime that runs native games in a container that behaves the same on every distro.

Linus, somehow can't even get OBS to work on Kubuntu (to be fair that's probably Ubuntu's fault).

Luke as usual, no issues at all even when he tries to deliberately break things.

>>108809219
not watching this piece of shit. let me guess, linus intentionally breaks stuff again?

>>108806338
thank u anon I will try dragging the image into kid3, seems a little less intuitive than using keyboard shortcuts but I guess I'll have to make do.
I don't have many options for music tagging in Linux, I tried puddletag from the AUR and it seemed more buggy.

>>108809459
He installs broken Debian OBS Studio package and then acts surprised when it doesn't work.
(This is Ubuntu's fault).

To his credit, he was able to figure out that the Flatpak is fine.

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>install ubuntu
>just learned about snaps
Can I remove it completely without breaking the system or am I better off moving to Mint?

>>108809634
you're good, it doesn't break anything
>t. ubuntu user with snap fully uninstalled

>>108807421
It wasn't when I was following step-by-step instructions. For some reason virsh is not making a network bridge that can connect to the internet.

>>108807820
I'll try again, then. Maybe I just missed this step.

>>108809634
>>108809644
I also removed snapd from Ubuntu and it was fine.

>>108809653
make sure the bridge grabs an IP and has a set default route before you take your ethernet link down.

>>108809355
the installer script is nice when I want a throw away test environment. would not recommend for beginner

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>>108809219
>guys how would I know Cosmic is in Beta??
>it says LTS support on their website! thats like the opposite of Beta!
this dude is straight retarded
>I can't mount my SMB share because I made a shortcut to it from my Network folder instead of just adding it to /etc/fstab
>seems like a big oversight on the Bazzite team to not include a quick mount option that just works, definitely not blaming KDE Plasma
>GIMP sucks!
it probably does suck but I don't wanna hear anything from an Adobe fatfuck cuck
>I used an NTFS drive for my games but it didn't work with Steam so don't do that
even though this guy has issues with Linux, as do I, he seems the smartest of the bunch

I want to avoid major upgrades for as long as possible and by all reasonable standards my Mint 21.3 install should last me for several years longer as it's still officially supported but code monkeys being utterly incapable of putting any thought behind their minimum lib requirements is forcing me to gamble and upgrade to a newer mint again because apparently their shitty software just CANNOT run without the absolute newest glibc/gtk libraries which are on newer kernels
FUCK I hate modern software developers

>>108810075
Just use something like Distrobox to run it in a container. You can keep your stale rotting distribution and still run the newer stuff in its own box.

>>108810075
>code monkeys being utterly incapable of putting any thought behind their minimum lib requirements
what software specifically is giving you problems?

why does guix never works when I install it?
can I use it to gayme or is gentoo the only non shit distro we have?

>>108810444
Guix is kind of shit by design. You have to unshittify it with third-party channels like the nonguix one:
https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix

All that just to get a non-neutered kernel and Steam.

>>108810520
is there a guide somewhere for low iq individuals such as myself somewhere?because I never managed to boot into it

>>108810592
Probably not. The faggots explicitly don't want to publicly help with it because it's unofficial and its very existence offends the GNU/GUIX developers.

it's a shame guix is so unusable because scheme > that piece of shit nix language

>>108810075
Develop some basic change management skills. Major upgrades on a desktop is for chumps.

>>108807844
Because for some reason Python decided to reformat the print statement and the interpreter can't compile Python 2 code at all.
Don't blame the distros for a language not supporting itself. Runtime libraries are one thing, but I can still compile C89 just fine in 2026 and Python should have been the same.

>>108809498
yeah dragging the image into kid3 worked instead of copying it to my clipboard and pasting
mfkers on nicotine have got to start tagging their shit

>>108810592
you’re so low iq you don’t even know why you want to install esoteric niche distribution #3382 to begin with

>>108810853
Python literally has 2to3 built-in into it:
https://docs.python.org/3.10/library/2to3.html

>>108810938
declarative + source

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I'm ready to upgrade from Debian 12 to 13, but I'm scared! I already backed up my home folder and exported my browser bookmarks, but what if there's something important I'm forgetting? Well, is there?

>>108811067
Maybe some configs in /etc if you edited them, but I would say you're good.

When choosing a distro, what should I be on the lookout for when using a system with an eMMC drive?

>>108811067
if it was important you wouldnt be forgetting about it

>>108806830
is debian good for gaming?

>>108811377
it's not, mesa (read: your gpu driver) is outdated compared to other distros and that DOES make the difference

>>108811469
forgot to add: and while you could certainly install a newer mesa and a newer kernel, it is not a good idea to have a frakendebian

>>108811245
>eMMC
So you want to avoid writes, huh? Someone could claim a distro that updates often would cause more writes and that's true but IMO it's peanuts. What you really want to avoid is something like Gentoo.
And you want to check settings regardless, there are things like logging and browser cache to consider.
>>108809729
>instead of just adding it to /etc/fstab
Never understood why there isn't a normie friendly way of adding mounts.
>/etc/fstab
Or Systemd mount units. They are even better as they work as drop-ins instead of modifying a global configuration file.
(why isn't there /etc/fstab.d/ for drop ins??)

>>108811377
It isn't a good distro. Though gaming isn't a demanding use case unless you have a bleeding edge GPU with open source drivers.

>>108811245
cheapass chromebooks run fine with eMMC, I doubt your choice of distro makes much difference

>>108811472
Just use the backports repo.
https://packages.debian.org/trixie-backports/kernel/firmware-amd-graphics
https://archlinux.org/packages/core/any/linux-firmware-amdgpu/

>>108811552
these always end up breaking any debian install i had

>>108811377
It can work but you need to modify it heavily, which kinda defeats the purpose of Debian, proven stability.
In my opinion and experience, you're better off just going with gaming focused distros like bazzite or cachy. There's even PikaOS if you wanna keep it Debian based, they do everything you'd do anyway.

I have a weird problem with my mouse scroll wheel. It seems way too sensitive and a basic test I do is zooming in/out on a webpage and it usually skips by several "steps" for a single "click". I installed solaar to see if it would help, but locking the resolution just makes it so that the scroll is delayed by a click now. Mouse is logitech G502X if that matters. Its not the mouse because it works fine on Windows.

>>108811623
Is this some new cult of Debian psyop where they recommend unusable meme distros to make people give up and come back to Debian?

ANAL BUTTSEX WITH XUE
RIGHT IN THE RAT HOLE
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

This shit is going to make me kill myself

>>108811679
How so? I explicitly told him that Debian works fine. The other options are just that, options, to save time and effort. I even pointed to a Debian based option.
Also
>Bazzite
>Bleeding edge
Nice way to come off as a poser.

>>108811528
Yeah, I bought a couple used $18 Lenovo 300e chromebooks (32GB eMMc) for a proof-of-concept test and they're honestly nice feeling machines for the price, even for institutional castoffs.
The only issues I've run in to (across Mint, Ubuntu, and Void) is they need the 7.0 kernel for their internal speakers to work, Keyd installed for the chromeos keys to do what their icons show, and in Void you have to modify xorg.conf to make the touchpad much more sensitive to use it without frustration (in my case Synaptics finger high and finger low are both "1" to make it work as expected).

Where would Google's AI malware be installed on Bazzite? I didn't have time to get to my computer until today.

>>108811962
what are you talking about

Looking to switch from windows. Have used mint before, I know how to use basic commands on a terminal. Use case would be torrenting, consuming media and light gaming. I do prefer something that works out of the box but I'm open to some tinkering if needed.

Ryzen 7 5700
RTX 4060
32GB RAM

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The solution to pair my bluetooth earbuds after 2 hours of troubleshooting was to pair just one first.

>>108811679
>m-m-muh meme distros!!
If they're not memes then why are they so popular, retard?

>>108810975
isn't working for 100% of cases

>>108811245
Your distro doesn't matter. The software you use does.

>>108811377
No, but it's a bad distro in general.

>>108811679
>unusable meme distros
Like Debian?

Debian is the only distro you should use if you want to be a person.

>>108812603
i want to be a girl

I think tmux is pretty rad

Is remmina the only foss xrdp client? It sucks and is buggy

>>108812150
CachyOS or plain Arch

>>108813535
There's one from GNOME and one from KDE ie GNOME Connections and KRDC.

Does anybody here controls their Linux PC remotely, for ex. with your laptop? Could you point me in the right directions? I'm interested in such setup. I don't want only a terminal but a full desktop. I'd have the power of my PC with the flexibility of my laptop as long as there's an Internet connection.

>>108813575
You use Xrdp with the packages associated to your distro and you install a client on the computer you want to physically use, there's probably a setup tutorial in your distro's documentation. At least there is for Alpine, Arch and Ubuntu from what I used.

>>108812297
They must be pretty popular because people keep making shitty meme distros with them.

What's the most feature-rich distro out of the box?Comes bundled with the most software, will play any piece of media, etc. The opposite of tiny core linux and all those 'from ram' distros.

installed linux and bricked myself

>>108813654
Bazzite? There are other distros with a ton more software but they're far less popular.

I still have no idea how to figure out which packages I manually installed vs which ones came with the OS or other programs
like the ones where I manually typed sudo apt install whatever, is there an easy way to list just those?

i like diinki :3

>>108813855
not unless you're on an atomic or immutable distro

>>108813855
idk shit about APT so a non answer here but you want to list *explicitly installed* packages. See the manual page, it should point it out.
>>108814062
What are you on about?

>>108814062
>>108814065
I found a somewhat useful list in /var/log/apt/history.log so that's at least something
apt list --manual-installed is the only terminal command that I found that sounds like it should list what I manually installed, but it lists all sorts of other packages too so it's pretty useless
it's just baffling that something like this is so fiddly and unintuitive, like I'd expect to easily see all the shit I installed myself and yet it's so obtuse and hard to find

>>108814099
What other "all sorts" of packages are there? Remember your installer could've installed a bunch of stuff for you.

>>108814065
>What are you on about?
apt doesn't reliably track which packages come with the OS and which ones you've installed manually. the "explicitly installed" and "manually installed" packages can be false positives. most image-based distros keep track of your changes.

>>108807674
i don't want to install testing packages
isn't there a risk of dependency mismatch or whatever the more you mix testing and non-testing packages?

>>108814123
just stuff that came with the OS like 7zip which I didn't install myself, it lists some systemd packages, x11 packages, like I said all sorts of stuff that's definitely outside of my manual installs

>>108814062
I have no idea about apt but both portage and xbps can do this just fine

>>108814151
that's the thing, anon mentioned apt which is shit and doesn't support the features real package managers have

>>108814173
that's the thing, you said it's only possible on atomic or immutable distros when there's an enormous shitton of not immutable yet also not apt distros

>>108813855
Just do a grep on your cli history for "apt install"

>>108814099
>>108814148
I think it's because the split is between "packages that are an end unto themselves" and "packages that are only brought in as a dependency".
Packages that only you specifically installed with a command are not really tracked, across any OS as far as I know. If you check installed programs in Windows, it will also list pre-installed shit that came with the OS right alongside all the stuff you personally downloaded an installer for. It's been a hot decade since I've used macs but I don't remember them having anything of the sort either, the list of "applications" included all end user applications including preinstalled ones alongside the ones you install.

The only difference in linux is that x11 and systemd are also packages while windows for example doesn't list dwm.exe in the installed software list.
But conversely Windows lists some shit like various distributable versions of .NET libraries and other shit as installed software, even though they're only needed as dependencies for running other stuff. If you look through the installed programs in Control Panel there'll probably be dozens of shit which are just redistributable libraries.

In general what most OSes do is list "user applications" which are the actual desktop software you might want to run. Windows for example lists it in "start menu entries" (which you have an option to set up in most installers). Linux has something equivalent with .desktop files, which various launchers (some looking more like the start menu, some having different UX) will list for you. In both cases you're not really meant to look through the full list of all installed software to get this.

>>108814182
what I clearly meant was it's impossible on an apt distro unless it's immutable

>>108814211
ok that's a fair point, but unfortunately you didn't actually say that and the meaning was not very clear

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How do i get rid of GTK file picker in Cinnamon?

sowwy ubuntu, I'm going back to Plasma

I have a dream. That one day, Wine will be able to use the KDE file picker.

>>108814343
i just wish the wine explorer would be more like the windows explorer (no ads tho)

arch linux, KDE plasma
I have two monitors, how can I make it so the taskbar on my right monitor has the exact same configuration as the taskbar on my left monitor? my left monitor has a custom application launcher icon but my right monitor just has the KDE plasma icon, my left monitor's taskbar is a rectangle that fills the bottom of the screen but my right monitor's taskbar is floating and has rounded corners. I want them to be exactly the same

>>108814457
Right click on the panel -> Panel configuration -> Clone panel

>>108814494
thank you, worked!

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My beloved /vg/ general sometimes has episodes of off-topic Linux autism. Don't mind me, I'll just link them this post and hope the game's character will catch their attention.

>>108814136
>i don't want to install testing packages
Then you definitely don't want to install the exact same package with a stable keyword then. No, there's no such thing as mismatches, etc, that'd be a packaging bug. Portage is supposed to clearly mark the required dependencies and fail if they're not met. This would mean you'd also have to unkeyword those packages too if they're also not stabilised. Yes, in theory you could get to a point where you'd have to upgrade half your system to testing just for one package, which ironically enough may be why it's not yet stabilised, but "mismatches", not really. Portage will just shout at you sometimes.

>>108812381
It works well enough for the trivial cases such as your "they renamed the way the print function works" case.

>>108814564
>Then you definitely don't want to install the exact same package with a stable keyword then.
so why don't they just mark it as stable now, assuming they're not planning on leaving 11.7 as the last version forever

>yes, in theory you could get to a point where you'd have to upgrade half your system to testing just for one package, which ironically enough may be why it's not yet stabilised,
i definitely don't want to do that if that's their reason

>>108814552
So why is Bizzite bad?

>>108814608
Flatpaks are bloat and it's also really annoying to set up non-Flatpak software on Bazzite

>>108814626
>Flatpaks are bloat
every god damn time

>>108814635
Yes, using up gigabytes per application because they don't standardise dependencies is bloat. It's Windows bloat on crack.

>>108814644
They DO standardise dependencies though. That is what the shared runtimes are for. Yes, sometimes you end up with outdated applications that haven't updated the runtime yet but that is actually a good thing for compatibility.
Far too often distros will just patch a dependency without checking with upstream to see if it properly works, or sometimes they will substitute a vendored dependency with a system copy without checking why the developer is using a vendored version in the first place (sometimes they make changes to it), etc.

>>108814672
>They DO standardise dependencies though
Lolno, developers can use whatever fucking runtimes and libraries they want when they upload to Flatpak. And they've decided they don't give a shit what the latest Mesa or GNOME Application Platform is; they'll use whatever they want and bloat up your system.

>>108814644
Traditional packages clearly don't work and that's exactly why Flatpak is needed.
>gigabytes per application
Oh no, not the extra $2-$3 worth of storage you'd need for ALL your Flatpaks...

>>108814680
>developers can use whatever fucking runtimes and libraries they want when they upload to Flatpak.
So? Welcome to the real world retard. That's exactly how software development works, especially if your platform is too shit and lacks standardization.

If you have more than 1 Electron app then congrats, you have multiple copies of Electron runtime since Electron is not a shared library. Flatpak runtimes are at least shared so you're not going to have more than 2 versions at the same time.
Games on Steam also don't share their wine prefix, each game creates it's own so there's tons of duplication. And this is not even mentioning that game engines, despite being "industry standards", are not a shared dependency either.
Website UI libraries, be it JS or just CSS, are not shared between websites either even if the same library is used. You're constantly re-downloading React runtime between websites.

Good luck on your moronic crusade to get people to use minimalist software. No, nobody is using IRC over Signal/Whatsapp/Discord/Slack. No, nobody is exclusively playing NES games because they're "less bloated". No, nobody outside of purely autistic people is browsing the web with JS and CSS engines disabled.

>>108814790
>$2-$3 worth of storage
Maybe a year ago unc

someone should make a distro out of the flatpak sandbox. this could bring the year of the linux desktop.

>>108814790
>Games on Steam also don't share their wine prefix
why don't they do that anyway?

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>>108814225
see https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108303392/#108309892

>>108814790
>Flatpak runtimes are at least shared
Only if the developers are using common runtimes. Your gaslighting is simply unbelievable: you went from "They DO standardise dependencies though", to conceding that they don't but shrugging it off with "Welcome to the real world" and that it costs $2-$3 worth of storage...only to IMMEDIATELY retract your concession and reinstate the original point which both of us had already debunked by saying the runtimes are definitively shared.

Are you Jewish, by any chance?

>>108814812
you can destroy a prefix easy by having many applications use them. something to do with how windows manages multiple libraries and their versions that have the same name. syswow or what it is called? idk. it's much better to just seperate each one to not have problems with all of them at the same time.

not every application can be on the latest version of a library.
not every library is on every distro.
not all applications and libraries share the same license and can be bundled together.
not every application can bring its own libraries into a distro's repo.
not everyone wants to manage a version of their app for a specific distro and its versions.
windows solved this with a giant mess that works.
linux doesn't have anything like that so it has to sandbox everything that lives outside the distro by using a system that only needs very few things to run on almost all of them.
seethe and cope. this is the reality of the situation and if you don't like it you are one of the reasons for its very existence.

>>108814828
>seperate

>>108814900
still smarter than the guy who asked the question

>>108814888
If you want to run third-party applications in a container, go ahead. But what do you gain for using the Flatpak version of Kwrite over the native package, especially on something like Fedora?

>>108814912
i don't like how most projects fuck with the original. (themes and settings etc). if the fagpak is offical i am going to use it instead. another problem created by repo trannies. don't fuck with the themes. don't fuck with firefox and don't fuck with default settings.

>>108814928
That's usually an issue in shit distributions. Debian and its derivatives are among the shittiest.
Normal sane distributions sometimes include patches for shit that's broken for projects that are unmaintained for example, or to fix dependency issues, but normally shouldn't fuck with the actual upstream application or themes or whatever

>>108814944
I cannot imagine a distro less opinionated than Debian. The only thing they are anal about is using old versions of software, but they don't change a damn thing. It's bad enough over there that you have to create .desktop files and file associations yourself for some programs lol

>>108814944
it's just ends up being a cock block from the distro makers. like really cool i wanna use this video editor. oh there are guides etc available but they are for a newer version or the theme is so fucked that parts of the ui moved or can't be seen. great nice one. really cool. the developer knows best usually.

>>108806830
I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on my Samsung ATIV Book 2 from 2014 and it's been running pretty slow. I'd rather not have to buy an SSD for it, can Lubuntu do the trick or is the SSD my only alternative? Would Debian with LXQT be a better and lighter alternative? I'm thinking of doing a Snapless minimal install of Lubuntu.

>>108814996
gotta buy a new ssd anon, de's have nothing to do with it

>>108814812
Because Valve wants things to work, just like Flatpak devs.

>>108814820
>t. retard*
I'm not the anon who posted:
>"They DO standardise dependencies though"
But that is generally true, yes. Just because there's 2 or 3 copies of a dependency doesn't mean they're not "standardized". You're still running 100 apps which all SHARE one of those 2-3 versions. Standardization doesn't mean ALL software needs to share the EXACT same version of a library. That software development philosophy just doesn't work in the real world and it's one of the reasons why Linux had no traction until Flatpaks were made.

>>108814804
>Maybe a year ago unc
Current prices.

>>108814912
>Kwrite
It's a part of a desktop environment, so I would consider it an exception here. Either way it looks like desktop environments are trying to become "distroless" so while they might not be Flatpaks, they'll probably be distributed as some other type of container.

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>>108814928
>fagpak

>>108814680
>And they've decided they don't give a shit what the latest Mesa or GNOME Application Platform is; they'll use whatever they want and bloat up your system.
Applications typically don't ship their own Mesa. They use the version provided by the platform. You can even install mesa-git and override this if you absolutely want the latest version.
https://gitlab.com/freedesktop-sdk/freedesktop-sdk/-/wikis/mesa-git

Every time I open a file (video, image, text) Kactivitymanagerd spikes up to 6% CPU usage (5800x) and my CPU temp goes up to 80C for ~15 seconds before the load and temp drops. I'm pretty sure this is a semi-new issue as I only started noticing it like a month ago.

The most annoying part is the CPU fan spin up every time I open a file, it has gotten so bad and annoying that I only use a flat fan speed whenever I am actively using Dolphin.

Is this normal? I don't get the same temp/load whenever I open a program/browser/software so it seems very weird that a file would cause it.

>>108814626
Bloat is unnecessary additions, which Flatpaks are not. Say you want to update your browser, Flatpaks allow you to do that, but on a traditional distro model you need update your whole OS just to get the latest browser. This solves the Linux package management problems by offering greater flexibility.

>>108815698
>you need update your whole OS just to get the latest browser
Discover lets you tick which packages you want to update

>>108815755
That's called a partial update and can lead to dependency conflicts so it's not recommended. It's how you get a lot of n00bs who can't update their system because their dependecies turned into spaghetti

>>108814626
>it's also really annoying to set up non-Flatpak software on Bazzite
Only annoying if you're a retard that doesn't know how to use containers like podman or distrobox.

>>108815765
It will not let you update packages independently of their dependencies, lol.
>>108815768
ie a normal person instead of a coderfaggot?

>>108815801
A normal person won't have any use for installing software outside of Flatpaks.

>>108815801
Nan da? nta btw. I had a fuckin manjaro install seppuku itself over time because of partial updates and depedencies conflicting and wanting to write over each other.
Unless I did something absolutely mind numbingly retarded, I figured that was exactly the cause.

>>108815755
>Discover lets you tick which packages you want to update
It doesn't if you don't satisfy dependencies.

>>108815810
Kind of true, yea.

>>108815810
How retarded are you? Basically ZERO proprietary software (let alone drivers) are officially available as Flatpaks, though in some cases there are third-party repackagings maintained by literally whos (aka they're an update away from becoming malware).

>>108815848
And whose fault is that? You should be angry at the software vendors for expecting their customers to jump through hoops to install their software instead of packaging it properly as a Flatpak.

>>108815878
Why should I be angry that they support my system instead of the broken one you're trying to propagandise? I don't want them to support Flatpak, lol, Flatpak can go fuck itself.

>>108815893
If they support your system then you're fine. The issue is there are a lot more systems out there than whichever one you're using. Flatpak was created as a solution to solve this problem by bundling the same runtime everywhere so it doesn't matter if somebody is using your system or any other system, it still works the same.

>>108815899
>there are a lot more systems out there than whichever you're using
Immutable distros are a minority of the market; you don't get to preach economics when you're attempting a hostile takeover. Why does every Flatpakreich argument here depend on gaslighting?
>it still works the same
Unless your distro has different defaults for permissions, or different defaults for themes, or anything else that might make the particular Flatpak go fucking ballistic. Meanwhile, you can trust the equivalent package in your distro's repo to do the intended job for your distro.

>>108815925
Immutability is irrelevant, even among classical non-immutable distros there are loads of them and proprietary software vendors won't support them all. Flatpak was made so they have a consistent thing to target. If they won't use that to make life more difficult for their customers then that's a shame but it can never be the distros fault.
In a free market then ideally someone would come a long and make a better competing solution that doesn't treat their customers like shit by making them go through fucktons of loopholes and workarounds just to use their software. But sometimes there isn't a competing solution unfortunately.

>>108815848
Normies don't give a shit about stuff that aren't on an app store. Flathub has enough software for your average normie.

>>108815893
>I don't want them to support Flatpak, lol, Flatpak can go fuck itself.
There currently isn't a better solution aside from maybe Appimage, but no distro ships with an Appimage app store.

>>108815955
>Flathub has enough software for your average normie
How about peripheral drivers?
>>108815951
>Immutability is irrelevant
No, it's relevant because immutable distros are essentially forced to use Flatpaks whereas normal distributions can run shit on bare metal. Just about everything is available in .deb or .rpm and if you wanna be a special snowflake using a meme distro, that's on you. But if you're already on, say, Fedora, there is no fucking point in exclusively installing Flatpaks.
>>108815969
>There currently isn't a better solution
Yes there is: use the distro you want and software made for it. Flatpak should be a last resort; not your fucking religion.

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>>108814816
have to gibe it a try tomorrow

>>108815969
Even with AppImage you still have to make them support it somehow though. I don't know how Linux can fix this problem because it's not a technical issue, it's just a problem of proprietary software vendors being assholes that don't respect their customers time.

I think the only way to handle this from a community point of view is to promote those unofficial solutions. The community can fix the crap and maybe even make an app that installs it for people, etc.

>>108815981
You can run .debs and .rpms in distrobox too but that requires the user to not be a retard that knows how to install them. .deb and .rpm is not a good software distribution mechanism for proprietary software vendors.

Imagine if you faggots existed in the 80's and 90's. You would've created Windows 11 decades in advance if you pushed for a unified ABI for IBM compatibles LMAO.

>>108815981
>drivers
Nobody installs drivers on Linux. It's not a thing. Your device either works out of the box or it doesn't. If you've ever installed a driver manually, aside from maybe managing nVidia driver versions, you're in the 1% of Linux users.

>>108815993
>.deb and .rpm is not a good software distribution mechanism for proprietary software vendors
And yet proprietary software vendors vastly prefer them to Flatpaks.
>>108816019
>Nobody installs drivers on Linux. It's not a thing.
Moments earlier:
>there are a lot more systems out there than whichever you're using
Once again, why does every Flatpak apologist argument here in such bad faith? Flip flopping here, lying there, disingenuous attempt at empathy here, and gaslighting there. The more I argue with Flatpakis, the better I come to know their dialectic. First they count on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there is no other way out, they themselves simply play stupid. If all this doesn't help, they'll pretend not to understand, or, if challenged, change the subject in a hurry, quoting platitudes which, if you accept them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, give ground and pretend not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever one tries to attack one of these apostles, their hand closes on a jelly-like slime which divides up and pours through their fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if one really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if one believed that this had taken them at least one step forward, their amazement will be great the next day: The Flatpaki had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.

>>108816057
You're the one arguing in bad faith by bringing up irrelevant points that affect <1% of users.

>>108816094
But enough about why the entire ecosystem should cater to immutable distros and abandon native packaging.

>>108816122
>Linux during "native packaging is the only packaging" era: forever 1% market share, everyone unhappy, nobody wants to use it aside from autistic people and developers
>Linux as soon as flatpaks and appimages became popular: 6% market share, normal people like it, developers finally thinking about it
Results speak for themselves. The old way of packaging and distributing software doesn't work at all in the real world. Also
>native
Flatpaks and Appimages are native, retard.

>>108816057
>And yet proprietary software vendors vastly prefer them to Flatpaks.
Because they don't care about what's best for their customers. Half the time there's not even a guarantee that a specific .deb or .rpm will run or work on any specific distro. Never mind the fact that an increasingly large amount of users run other distributions like Arch which use a different packaging format entirely.

>>108816160
>developers finally thinking about it
Moments earlier:
>You should be angry at the software vendors for expecting their customers to jump through hoops to install their software instead of packaging it properly as a Flatpak.
Seriously, are you Jewish? You don't care about keeping track of the facts or even keeping track of things you've said; all you care about is whatever feels like it might advance your religion in the moment, no matter how deceptive.

I'm not even dwell on your other logical fallacy, but it's the clearest correlation =/= causation ever.

I found a very simple solution to bluetooth which is to create an alias for the “bluetoothctl connect address” command with each device I have. So I can just type in earbuds and they’ll connect. One less GUI app installed.

Might fuck around and try to create a script that pulls from a file of saved addresses anyways. That idea was much funner until I realized the goal is the same anyways, just get the command in the terminal with the correct address. No need to pipe anything into anything else to do that. If anything having them as aliases kind of is like having them saved as a file. A file is just text and it is just text saved in my bashrc now. The only problem is this doesn’t scale well with a lot of addresses but who has that many devices. It could be a fun scripting exercise anyways.
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>>108816166
>Half the time there's not even a guarantee that a specific .deb or .rpm will run or work on any specific distro
This. The whole "developers choose .deb/.rpm" argument is a complete meme. Firstly because many medium and large companies don't change their development process that often, so they'll be 10-15 years behind the consumer standards. And secondly, a lot of developers simply use frameworks which make this choice for them, they're not manually choosing .deb/.rpm. Like, no shit most developers won't just change their processes over night and move to Flatpak or Appimage.

And yes, a huge flaw with .deb/.rpm is the fact they usually only work on a single version of the distribution. It's not uncommon for software you install as a .deb/.rpm to stop working or to fail to install, or even break your distro updates entirely until you manually intervene. This issue doesn't exist with something like Appimage, or at least it's much less severe. And of course the issue is entirely eliminated with Flatpaks and Snaps.
If I could flip a switch where all .deb/.rpm apps get erased from existence and replaced by Appimages or Flatpaks, I would fucking do it. As a normal fucking user they're just MUCH more convenient formats to use. Fuck .rpm, but fuck .deb especially.

>>108815646
>recently-used.xbel
I found the culprit. Deleting that shit no longer makes Kactivitymanagerd put any load on the CPU whenever a file is opened. Seems like my file had gotten bloated (14mb vs 1.5kb on a freshly generated one) after 1 year of using Linux.

I guess that every time a file is opened the system has to read the history of every opened file ever, for some reason? Weird that it doesn't automatically delete old history at least.

>>108786937
>Tesseract is CPU-only
>EasyOCR supports GPU acceleration
>Try it
>EasyOCR doesn't detect my GPU
>Run something else GPU-accelerated in Python
>It detects my GPU
>But for some reason EasyOCR doesn't
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
9070 XT on Fedora 44 btw

>>108816310
This is probably the sort of thing worth reporting as a bug on bugs.kde.org. This is nasty shit that most people won't run into but could add up over time.

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>>108816329
I actually forgot to attach the picture of the reddit post where I found the info, it was posted a year ago so I assume it's a known problem?

https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1hwqecx/kactivitymanagerd_uses_a_lot_of_cpu_when_opening/

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>>108809176
Thank you that did it

>>108811970
The 4GB file.

When will we have proper hdr support? For steam at least?
I'm this close to go back to windows...

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Can hardened musl OpenRC Gentoo easily be burnt onto a DVD or should I give up and just go for the full desktop LiveGUI USB Image? Slightly confusing and wondering if it's even worth fucking around for hardened + musl. I don't care for KDE and so on, think I'd use IceWM

>>108816632
Steam as in the Steam Client? What does it need HDR for? I don't think there's any HDR trailers, etc. It's hardly the biggest issue if some of the colours are a bit off in the Store, etc.

>>108816823
>millennialwoes.jpg
obviously the game

What distro should I go with for a media/RSS server that I plan to play with local LLMs on?
I was considering Debian but it seems people here don't recommend it.

>>108817033
you mean running local LLMs?

>>108816166
It's very strange that we have all these formats like flatpak and appimage that seem to be mostly useful for proprietary software. OSS stuff you can just recompile if needed. But if software is actually commercial, it will inevitably have some crufty run.sh installer that only works on Corpel Linux 1.022
The only commercial software with sane compatibility is games which think they're running on windows

>>108816310
>>108815646
This comes up every now and then. There's also the database files in .local/share/kactivitymanagerd/resources/ that can grow uncontrollably. I don't know which part causes the CPU spikes though

>>108817132
Another semi related issue I've had is the thumbnail folder growing out of control. It creates a new thumbnail every time you move the file without deleting the old one. Deleting files also keeps the thumbnail. Every time you move a file to the trash (I think) it also creates a new one. I have an extremely large thumbnail folder.

>>108817033
Arch, Fedora, Ubuntu
Pick one.

>>108817033
when it comes to home servers, distro choice is largely irrelevant in 2026 if you're planning on just running containers. yes, this means debian isn't that bad of a choice.

>>108816894
I don't know. HDR games already work fine for me on KDE Plasma 6. If you're on some shite like Cinnamon then you're going to be waiting a very long time with how incompetent their maintainers are.

>>108817599
>don't know. HDR games already work fine for me on KDE Plasma 6.
classic linux tranny shit
pretending that because you want for something to be real it must be

>>108817033
Debian is fine for this usecase. Ubuntu is just more up to date while being stable vs using Debian Unstable/Testing. ROCm is basically Debian/Ubuntu/RHEL only and most AI stuff expects Ubuntu/Debian. Just download Ubuntu, install the apt version of Firefox, remove the snap version, stop and mask snapd if you dislike snaps, and then download everything you need. Tbh you should just see what you want to install first and see what distro would be best supported. If you don't know yet then Ubuntu.

Also, I just realized the Devuan is a typo'd version of Debian. If you're shifted slightly too left then the 'bi' can become 'vu'.

>>108817599
How are their maintainers incompetent for not instantly migrating to Wayland? They're a slow moving distro with a custom DE and much smaller team than KDE. Cinnamon is Xorg, and its not some easy trivial thing to rewrite your entire DE to work with Wayland when it was built around X11.

With all the news going around about supply chain attacks and AI discovering vulnerabilities am I paranoid for wanting to run everything from yt-dlp/ffmpeg in docker?

I like the switch to lua for the hyprland configuration file.

>>108817779
Involving Docker is way worse in terms of attack surface.

Generative AI really sucks at static analysis. AI companies just say insane shit to gin up publicity. Like the fake story about the guy who cured his dog's cancer. Of course they're also going to claim they found 5 gorillion bugs in <popular_software>, asterisk only if you do something utterly retarded or have RCE.

>>108817758
Lmao, you really believe it's that custom? Cinnamon devs couldn't make something from scratch if they tried. The whole thing is just a soft-fork of GNOME. Their Muffin compositor is directly derived from an out-of-date version of Mutter. The reason they still target X11 is because the version of Mutter it uses is so out-of-date it still has X11 support (upstream GNOME have already dropped it).

>>108817779
we have a similar flavor of paranoia
i'm somewhat worried about running always-on p2p software like torrent clients
i've set up something with bubblewrap to at least isolate personal files, but i realize it does nothing against those local privilege escalations that have been on the news (and i think docker is the same)
maybe a minimal linux in a virtual machine would be better but that will require some scripting

>>108817808
>Involving Docker is way worse in terms of attack surface.
worse than nothing? how?

>>108811510
>Never understood why there isn't a normie friendly way of adding mounts
KDE Partition Manager but I get what you mean. There should be a "Permanent Mount" option in whatever file manager you use that'll prompt you for a password and add the mount to /etc/fstab

>>108817871
>worse than nothing? how?
Maybe not worse than nothing but worse than bwrap. You're involving a root enabled service for no reason.

What sort of anti virus and security software does linux have?
I never used Cemu but after the issue it had I want to know how to be safer. Because while I don't use cemu, I do use other emulators so I don't want to get infected with malware

>>108818381
You think modern popular emulators have malware in them? On the Linux side even?
You can always just run a binary with firejail/bubblewrap to containerize it, or run the flatpak version of the emulator.

Is there any meaningful difference between spawning daemons using Hyprland's `exec-once` and writing a script/service for the init system to do so?

>>108818427
>You think modern popular emulators have malware in them?
No, I know thats a rare case but the simple fact that it can happen means I need to be more aware. I always relied on malwarebites and windows defender before, but now im on linux so I need new security options
>You can always just run a binary with firejail/bubblewrap to containerize it, or run the flatpak version of the emulator.
Thanks

>>108818497
Looking it up it seems that the versions of Cemu effected were the Linux AppImage and and Ubuntu 22.04 release, and it's been fixed already. One of the devs just got really unlucky when it came to getting infected by a malicious python package in their WSL environment. Don't get paranoid over this, it was literally just an accident.

>>108818431
Sometimes (most times w/ systemd) services launched from an init system have different restrictions imposed by default. Especially if SELinux is involved.

>>108818381
For emulators there's pretty much always a flatpak. Just restrict its filesystem access to whatever handful of directories it needs and turn off whatever it doesn't with flatseal. flatpak is built on bwrap, which you can use on your own with any normal program.

Linux culture doesn't buy into security theater much. Containerize programs you don't trust and have immutable backups. The end. Antivirus is a band-aid for retards who open every email attachment. They have ChromeOS for those guys.

>>108816673
If you're worried about the size then you shouldn't, A standard DVD has 4.7 GB of space which is plenty enough for any compressed filesystem (most use squashfs)

>>108814812
On windows, if you install all kinds of crapware anti cheats and god knows what else on your os and that causes shit to stop working, that's your problem. On proton, it becomes valve problem. Removing games and software cleanly is very difficult if you use a single prefix compared to individual prefix per application.

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How do I get GPU acceleration on Handbrake. It worked fine when I had NVIDIA but I switched over to Radeon and it's just software rendered now.

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Pc is busted at the moment . Getting professional for it to find out what went wrong.

Is this Linux security vulnerability still going or has been resolved?
I need to know this because I need to then know what to do when I get back to my Linux mint xfce build.

>>108819341
Ones like Copyfail and Dirtyfrag have been patched on all major distros, yes.

>>108819349
Thanks anon.
So I just login to my distro and hit the updates and it is all clear?
Any other steps to take?
I might ask again when I get my pc working again.
Sorry in advance.

>>108819309
>How do I get GPU acceleration on Handbrake
you readd the nvidia gpu to your secondary PCI-e slot

>>108819358
You just need the latest kernel update that Mint has currently

>>108819341
>Is this Linux security vulnerability still going or has been resolved?
Dirty frag got patched 3 days ago and copy fail got patched a day before that, at least on Debian because that's what I'm running (tested with kernel 6.12.86+deb13-amd64 and both exploits fail)

>>108819363
Thanks!
Should I change passwords and such?
>>108819369
This is good news.

>>108819372
I don't think you need to change any passwords it wasn't that kind of vulnerability.

>>108819372
Not really. You should be fine, I doubt anybody legitimately got hit by either of those anyway desu.

>>108813596
What about using Sunshine and Moonlight? If it's good for gaming it's good for desktop use.

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about to reboot

What is the difference between KDE and cinnamon memory usage? Is cinnamon yet reliable?
t. obsessive about DE performance

>>108819589
Plasma is way more optimised because Cinnamon is written in Python. The proof is that Plasma by default has a ton more features and services running yet only uses slightly more RAM than Cinnamon; if you level the playing field by disabling Akonadi and whatnot untli you match the functionality of Cinnamon, then Plasma will easily idle at 300-600 fewer MiB than Cinnamon.

>>108819619
Lol. Well that settles that. So how come cinnamon is so unoptimized? Is it just a issue of funding given how much money KDE has to play with for their projects?

>>108818381
>Cemu malware
>only affects the Appimage and the Ubuntu zip file
Thank God I use Flatpak.

>>108819589
>Is cinnamon yet reliable?
It is a niche DE being worked on by a team of 2 people with a handful of other volunteers. It will never be as reliable as the literal flagship desktops like KDE and Gnome which have over a hundred developers, both paid and unpaid, and have 20x the users.

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>>108819653
Cinnamon, on top of having basically two regular maintainers, isn't exactly targeting the bare metal as a majority of it is written in JavaScript or Python.

>>108819619
>>108819689
The underlying programming language doesn't matter. There are plenty of high demand servers written entirely in JavaScript and Python, and plenty of very low spec yet low latency IoT devices run JS and PY code as their primary purpose. So even if you're targeting sub-500MB RAM usage in total you can achieve that with a 100% JS or PY desktop.

>>108819720
>The underlying programming language doesn't matter
Except when the script kiddy has zero control over memory management.

what's up with /g/ and hating KDE Plasma? I tried using it and it was such a smooth experience

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>>108819751
It's literally just one Indian. Just ask him to post beef whenever you see him.

>>108819730
Manual memory management is a meme.

>>108819812
H1-B?

>>108819751
I don't mind it, I just prefer gnome for personal use.

>>108819751
What are you even talking about? Plasma is the most popular DE here.

>>108819924
Not just here:
https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Desktop%20Environments/current

https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=plasma-workspace%2Cgnome-shell&show_installed=on&show_vote=on&show_old=on&show_recent=on&show_nofiles=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1

>>108819751
It's unstable, spreads itself too thin doing too much shit and can't keep a consistent theming. In other words just use xfce.

>>108819970
What do you mean it can't keep a consistent themeing? It's probably more consistent than XFCE that inherits all of the GTK brain rot (good luck themeing libadwaita).

>>108819975
This. KDE only becomes inconsistent if you use 3rd party themes since most are not maintained.

>>108819975
>It's probably more consistent than XFCE that inherits all of the GTK brain rot (good luck themeing libadwaita).
so much this, probably the only thing that keeps me from not using xfce

Is NVIDIA geforce 920m good for Linux gaming?

>>108820082
Is it good for anything on any OS?

>>108820082
No it's god awful. No Vulkan support so it can't use Proton, and could barely run current 2D OpenGL stuff. It's an older system emulation machine at best.

>>108820082
>nVidia
>2015
>Linux
No. It's abandonware and nVidia sucks on Linux even when it comes to GPUs they still support.

>>108820082
It should be fine for gaming hits like vampire survivors, balatro and terraria.

>>108819760
Not gonna lie I was having kde crashes then something in my hardware died.
I see the appeal of kde and all its extra stuff.
I just didn’t know it was my pc.
But oddly enough I really like xfce.
>that pic has lxde
Isn’t it’s successor desktop environment able to run on even less resources?
Might try to see if it can revive my old man’s ancient laptop but I’ll have to get the specs for that dinosaur to see if it is even possible.
Don’t think the floppy disk using laptop one would work but maybe his slightly newer laptop.

Anyways is it true that the less resources a desktop uses the more stable it is?

Not asking to spoon feed, but can somebody point me to some good tutorials on how to use Proton/wine/faugus-launcher? Mainly what i do not fucking understand is where am i supposed to get those launch arguements/attributes everybody talks about. Sorry i am a retard i been a windows user for most of my life.

>>108820239
What application specifically are you trying to get running?

$ cd /usr/src/linux-6.18
$ git tag -l --sort=v:refname | tail -n 1
v6.18.28

Is there any less retarded way of obtaining the version number? It's for scripting purposes.

>>108820142
>Don’t think the floppy disk using laptop one would work but maybe his slightly newer laptop.
At that point maybe it's time to use the terminal only for everything, besides the web browser.

>>108820275
Well i was kinda just experimenting how to get windows games in general running. In order not to run into DRM issues i tried with GOG installers. Daily driver is still windows and i use an old thinkpad laptop for trying Linux Mint this of course mostly limits me to simpler games. Interestingly the installation from the GOG exe goes well without a hitch, but so far no luck getting the game itself to run.
I tried Cossacks, which tbf does not run on my windows PC but wanted to give it a try since i heard a lot of people do retrogaming on linux. It played the intro funny enough but closed afterwards. So then i thought i should try a modern game so got Market Forces, retro style pixel game from last year. Installed fine, didnt even start.

>>108820339
Have you tried opening the game using steam? They let you run/install non-steam games, and then you can right click on the installation from your steam library, go to properties and force open with compatibility layer - Proton Experimental

I've also heard success stories with Bottles

>>108820239
Install Bottles and ProtonPlus, they're the easiest way to run Windows stuff.
>where am i supposed to get those launch arguements/attributes everybody talks about
Each program you have in Bottles will have a dropdown menu with an entry saying "Change Launch Options" where you can add Command Arguments.

>>108820279

make -s kernelversion

>>108820380
Oh i found that menu, but sorry if i sounds like a complete mouthbreather:
Where do i get those command arguements?
I knowingly didnt ask where to put them, but where to get them.
I have not found anything about that, like do i have to specify which resolution i want it to launch with? Which driver OpenGL/Vulkan?

>>108820527
>Where do i get those command arguements?
The documentation: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton#runtime-config-options
Place where people post what works for them: https://www.protondb.com/explore

>do i have to specify which resolution i want it to launch with?
No, but you can if you want to. In that case you need to use Gamescope.

>OpenGL/Vulkan
Normally you would want Vulkan, but some nVidia GPUs don't work well with Vulkan and some distros like Mint, Debian, Ubuntu, etc. often have outdated Vulkan implementations which don't work with the latest Proton versions.

>>108820552
AHA, thank you! See almost none of the youtube vids i watched mentioned the documentation, they all just say "you just put them in and it werx"
I actually thought ProtonDB was just for listing WHAT games work and how well, not HOW to make them work, that changes a lot then.
Is that also where i can get the "STEAM_COMPAT_CONFIG" settings mentioned on the github?

Hadnt heard of gamescope, guess i need to read up on that too.

The laptop has integrated Intel graphics kek
And my new machine gets a Radeon.

can someone explain to me what is the difference between X11 forwarding and VNC?

I'm ready to make the switch from Win11 to Linux; I'd like to use Ubuntu but have some concerns regarding the whole "Ubuntu Pro" thing.

I understand that it is free to use on desktop, but if I could help it, I'd like to stick to only a local account.

What exactly am I missing out on using just standard (non-Pro) Ubuntu; could a potential hackerman just look at which packages non-Pro users do not get and focus on finding exploits in that?
Would I be more secure going for another OS?

>>108820715
>What exactly am I missing out on using just standard (non-Pro) Ubuntu
You rely on "the community" to provide security patches for universe and multiverse repo components instead of Canonical providing them.
>could a potential hackerman just look at which packages non-Pro users do not get and focus on finding exploits in that?
Yes.
>Would I be more secure going for another OS?
Not necessarily.
>I'm ready to make the switch from Win11 to Linux; I'd like to use Ubuntu
Probably a good idea.

>>108820715
Ubuntu is so ass, bro. If you MUST use a Canonical product, at least go for Kubuntu since you're used to Windows.

>>108820895
Kubuntu is amateur hour compared to Ubuntu proper.

>>108820895
Kubuntu has a lot of breakage because they don't align with KDE's release cadence
That being said, Ubuntu IS ass, just use Linux Mint