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Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.

>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!

>Price tracking
RAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacities
SSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssd
GPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking

>GPU hierarchy 2026
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder

I want to run a miner on my rig. I have 5950. AI tells me all is fine to run at 100%, for days at a time, as long as my temps stay under 60C.
Is AI lying to me again?

>>108979130
>posted from 2020 using taptalk

>>108979130
Ask a different AI and tell them what that AI you used just said

>>108979130
>I want to run a miner on my rig
You wot m8? do you mind me asking for what?

>>108979097
>4tb SATAs
bruuh

>>108979157
My PC is just sitting there most of the day doing nothing. So I thought I would set up xmrig for Monero. Limiting the threads to 8, 16, even 24, the temps on the 5950X shoot up to 70+. Running full 32 threads, the temps stay at around 58.
Looking online and asking AI tells me that's perfectly fine... That is .. running at 100% for extended hours as long as the temps stay low won't hurt the CPU.
I don't trust AI.

>>108979190
70+ is nothingburger for CPUs

>>108979190
you're gonna spend more on electricity than you'll make mining

>>108979190
what >>108979282 said. those mining programs are designed for farms or proxy shared distributed groups. not for solo cpus like yourself. you will not make shit unless you scale big and those distributed mining sites are often scams you get paid peanuts while the operators get paid everything.

>>108979097
Is that the ProArt 5090?

>>108977610
>use official cables
>use a real PSU and not some aliexpress special
>plug it in securely
>use an actual case with space for everything
>everything works fine

>use random aliexpress cables and shitty psu
>do shit job of plugging it in
>use some gay retard pants shitting sff meme case with no space to route the cable properly so even if it were good, it would be bent and strained
>bad things happen
Why would there be a lolsuit over this?

>>108979234
>>108979282
>>108979366
Thx all

>>108979386
Probably a ProArt 4080/Super. 5080 & 5090 ProArt have a different cooler.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/proart/proart-rtx5090-o32g/
https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/proart/proart-rtx5080-o16g/
https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/proart/proart-rtx4080-o16g/

>>108979386
Is there even any 2slot 5090 at all?

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>>108979526
>5080 & 5090 ProArt have a different cooler.
You're right.

Man, I wish those cards weren't so expensive. They look so aesthetically nice.

>>108979532
Yes.

Has anyone got any experience using a monitor arm to use a monitor on the sofa?

I like the close up immersion of a monitor compared to a TV but don't want to sit at desk after work

>>108979532
5090 FE?

Are razer mice worth the money?

>>108979764
Find a cheap one on eBay.

>>108979548
>They look so aesthetically nice.
They'll also run hotter and louder unless you undervolt & power limit them.

>>108979764
There are Chinese clones for most of these competitive mouse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3_LM9O1s9U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkuodrPGov0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBRAOsRuCNs

But expect 0 customer service if you go this route.

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I have owned computers for about 32 years
Every computer i have owned that i have been able to customize i have had to stick to getting the most for my buck, never have splurged on anything.
I dont really give a fuck about aesthetics, rgb, and shit but i do get mighty jealous when people can drop an extra 20-25% of the total price on getting stuff slightly more convenient or a bit better even if not worth the price difference. Getting that small extra upgrade, getting an slightly better case or a newly released cpu
Thats all, rant over sorry.

>>108979896
DO NOT EVER INSTALL ANY SOFTWARE FOR THESE CHINK MICE (virus ridden spyware junk)
The mice themselves are usually decent though

>>108980061
>install
>when most of them have online software
ok?

>>108979282
>>108979366
Nta and no clue about crypto mining but wouldn't it let you generate currency without having to make any bank transfers or transactions to buy the crypto? In that case it's another layer of anonymity and could help bypass restrictions if your bank or country is anti crypto

>>108980249
you generate almost nothing and you cant use it for anything except to buy drugs and drugs are kind of expensive yo an ounce of weed is one monero.

>>108980249
Yes but you have to make the money first which you're not going to do

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Looking to buy a Budget mini pc barebone like this, I would buy the ddr5 and ssd separately, and eventually a oculink dock with a gpu once I got more money.
Does it make sense to wait for Amazon Prime in three weeks? Unfortunately I'm limited to what Amazon got to offer because the bigger part of my budget is a amazon gift card.
Just curious whether they typically have good mini pc deals on prime day

Ok what?

>>108980244
>>108980349
Fuck I didn't even link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76r5d8htEZk

Is $120 for a 12GB 3060 a good deal?

>>108980387
As long as you aren't planning on doing anything "AI" it is a good deal

>>108980387
yes I'd say, nvidia is even bringing it back and it's going to be more than 120

>>108980395
My plan is to build a budget PC and sell it.

>>108980387
That's a fantastic deal if it's not a scam

>>108980410
It's on facebook market place, so probably is.

>>108980376
kinda sucks I guess but I googled now the mouse I have and could only find someone reporting a false positive.

>>108980376
>Nov 11, 2025
Old news.
https://www.endgamegear.com/en-us/security-update
https://attackshark.com/pages/security-update
Use their web browser tool if you're paranoid.

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What do you guys think?
Worth the risk?

>>108980744
gonna get empty box lol

>>108980744
>worried about $75
of course it's worth the risk.

>>108980754
Could you not just open the box?

>>108980758
That's what I figured.

>>108980744
brandon 'bout to mug you

>>108980762
Just ask the dude to take a photo with open box. (argument with checking the socket or smth)

>>108980772
It's okay, I have a gun.

>>108980788
Then it's free.

Is it worth it to order my parts from different shops in order to save 100€ or am I too autistic? The total cost of the build if I order everything from 1 place is 3000€.

>>108980812
yes it is

>>108980812
What about shipping costs?

>>108980819
Including shipping the difference is less

do the regular 2.5in SATA SSDs have better longevity than the M.2 nvme ones

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there you go, buy a $35 air cooler for your 9800x3d

>>108980812
Depends on the shops. If the difference is insignificant I always pick the shop with the better return process

>>108980836
>gpu
>no gpu
uh

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Threadly reminder that in a few years, pc building will be dead, and we'll be forced to buy pre-built computer boxes with no modularity (or get killed by superintelligent ai).

>>108980284
There's legal stuff you can buy too and it'd be more anon than using a card or some mainstream payment system

>>108980306
How about if someone just wanna get crypto could they pay let's say $50 to someone with a non custodial wallet to send $40 worth of crypto to yours? Is that a thing?

>>108980744
get him to send you a pic of the back of the cpu and the socket on the mobo. if it passes the eyeball test i'd say it's worth it.

>>108980874
go away benchod.

Us whites will just make it illegal for non-whites to touch holy circuits.

>>108980874
nuh-uh my piece of shit corrupt commie jew slav gubment won't let that happen, imagine all the money that they couldn't pocket for mansions in sunny Croatia if they had to implement such measures

>>108980869
which gpu would you buy for that setup

>>108980874
that takagi figurine is looking good. would buy if i could get it past customs without getting a visit from the police. lol

have amd been especially outclassed on gpu drivers lately?

>>108980869
b580 is right in the picture though

>>108980853
The small mom&pop shop that I used to buy all my shit from got acquired by a bigger online retailer and apparently turned to shit when it comes to warranty claims. That's kind of the reason I've been shopping around.
My choices now is either spend 3k at the old shop and hope I won't need the warranty or pick different parts from different shops in order to get a discount and test the waters.
I would also like to mention that this will most likely be my last build ever, since I am getting up in age and honestly tech has been interesting me less and less.

>>108980970
>gpu
I'm waiting for a tpu. I'm not that into gaming, honestly.

>>108981001
If availability and prices arent an issue on the other shops I'd check which one has the best warranties handling especially if you plan to buy parts from companies like ASSUS who are stingy as fuck with warranties themselves.

>>108981001
My local shop(not mom&pop but was a small state chain with only 3 stores) went to shit after AI took off. They now focus on selling a6000 and shilling AI everywhere, they used to be honest and even had MSRP cards for regular users during crypto crisis.

9070xt is probably my last GPU unless I have to buy a new one to give this one to my brother
I just don't enjoy playing any games for longer than a few days/hours
I actually think I need to find a new hobby, maybe it's not to late to become a normie and go out and do that sort of stuff

>>108981193
How old are you? For suggestions maybe look at reading, writing, drawing, playing a sport, and hiking for cheap hobbies. All those have groups you can find (especially the last two).

>>108981193
I felt like that until i started playing diablo 2 and path of exile

>>108981193
>maybe it's not to late to become a normie and go out and do that sort of stuff
Oh it absolutely is, but you should still try.
>I just don't enjoy playing any games for longer than a few days/hours
Do you live somewhere nice? You could start going hiking, hiking is nice :)

Not upgrade per say, but I have an old machine that I don't want it to be e-waste and I'm planning to triple boot it just for fun because I haven't tried to boot up a hackintosh before here are the specs
i7-3770
HDD
HD400igpu or 1060

>Windows 10 LTSC (want to test out programs before I install them on my Windows 11 main pc and mayyyyyybe use it to stream instead of streaming on my main PC)
>Mint or Cachy OS (just for fun)
>Hackintosh (for fun again)

is it possible? I'd just use a VM but I don't want it to go to waste

>>108981307
make a nas

>>108981291
I can't go hiking in my area because it's infested with ticks and you get lime disease, if only antivax retards hadn't fucked the vaccine we'd be good.

>>108981346
>antivax retards
Yeah, nothing says retard better than "I am against injecting heavy metals directly into my brain".

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>>108981346
>scared of ticks
do yanks really

>>108981363
Bill Gates made genetically modified ticks that will make people allergic to red meat.

>>108980812
>is wrong to save money

no

>>108980812
What's the build specs?

>>108981356
Nothing says retard better than hearing one bit of bad information once and making it your gospel. I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you're already doing that.

>>108981339
Not really interested in NAS

>>108981396
>one
It's funny how ignorant you are. Like all tranny leftists.
You do realize that you can literally just look at the ingredients of the variances and see they have heavy metals, right?

>I'd tell you to kill yourself, but you're already doing that.
Irony. Coming from the guy injecting heavy metals into his brain.

when is michael going to bench newer games?
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-7.1-Mesa-26.1-RX-9070-GRE

>>108981425
Who's Micheal?

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Since OLED prices seem pretty reasonable right now and I've been thinking about getting one for a while, I think this might be a good time to pull the trigger.
What I currently have:
Viewsonic XG2703-GS from 2017. 27", 1440p, 144 Hz, IPS. Still holding up well, no dead pixels or anything. Will stay as a secondary/work monitor.
7800X3D
4080 Super
I play at 1440p DLSS Quality, maxed-out settings, RT, PT, with Framegen most of the time.
My target is 100+ FPS, but at least 60 FPS.
Should I stick with 27" and 1440p, or can I go up to 32" and 4K?
Budget max €1,500. Cheaper is fine too.
Build quality and longevity should be top tier, I hate stuff that doesn't last.
Needs to be fully adjustible in terms of ergonomics.

>>108981474
>Build quality and longevity should be top tier, I hate stuff that doesn't last.
don't get an OLED

>>108981481
I mean longevity within the constraints of an OLED, of course.

>>108981193
>Spends $800 on "His last GPU".
>Doesn't enjoy video games.
>Just wasted $800 to buy a GPU to play games he doesn't enjoy.

What a bizarre behaviour.

There's a 9070xt on Aliexpress for 500$
It's a scam, right?

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Are used enterprise parts generally in better or worse shape than from normalfags? I have an option of getting a 16TB HDD Toshiba with 40k hours and 6 power cycles for 340$. Good deal?

>>108981474
>7800X3D
>4080 Super
>I play at 1440p DLSS Quality, maxed-out settings, RT, PT, with Framegen most of the time.
>My target is 100+ FPS, but at least 60 FPS.
Those settings are not happening with a 4080 Super @ 4K, you'll probably have to drop DLSS 4.5 down to performance.
4080 Super is a bit of an in-betweeny card for 1440p or 4K gaming.
Choose 32" 4K if you mostly play games that support DLSS/FG, and if you're willing to use the new 4.5 transformer model @ performance.
If you mostly play competitive shooters, 27" 1440p is probably better.

Check prices for the MAG 321UP in your region, it's usually the more affordable 32" 4K QD-OLED monitor in the US (165Hz, but it's enough for a 4080 Super).

>>108981538
>16TB HDD
You can get brand new ones for like $350.
So that seems like a bad deal.

>>108981569
Fucking where? The cheapest new 16TB in my country costs ~800$ and that's just a WD Red.

>3900x
>3090 rtx
>32 gig ddr4
Fuck man... I know it's stupid but I'm seriously considering getting the 5800X3D just because if I upgraded, the ram is so stupid expensive.

I seriously wonder how much life I can squeeze out of my 3090 if I do go with the am4 version of the 5800X3D.

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>>108981592
>Fucking where?
Amazon. But I didn't read. The 350$ on Amazon are refurbished.

>The cheapest new 16TB in my country costs ~800$ and that's just a WD Red.
Now THAT is a scam. Actual new ones on amazon are $590.

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>>108981621
Performance jump depends on the type of games you play.
An RTX 5070 performs about as well as a 3090 (or slightly better) when VRAM isn't bottlenecking the system.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-gre-pulse/30.html

What 1Tb NVME drive should I get for my boot drive? It's the last part for my flight sim PC build. It doesn't need to be anything crazy, $200 is fine, but I want to be able to load up flight sims reasonably quickly. I don't move 300gb files often so the cache doesn't need to be excessive. The drives on my list are placeholders, I'm just doing a single drive for now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LL6rG

I would like a recommendation for a future upgrade to my Ryzen 5 7600x.

Ive got a 4070 with it, and a three fan AIO cooler for the CPU

>>108981715
Get a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX.

Is there any point or benefit to getting a CPU with integrated graphics if you have a proper GPU too? I've been avoiding them like the plague because it sounds stupid but there don't seem to be really any new CPUs without graphics, at least no 65W ones

>>108981715
save up a shit ton of money
buy a higher tier RTX 60 series GPU
wait™ for Zen 6 or 7 X3D CPU
buy a new monitor
buy a better chair & desk (if you need the upgrade)
buy a better sound system (if you need the upgrade)
Don't expect miracles if you plan to upgrade the CPU only.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-270k-plus/22.html

>>108981744
>Is there any point or benefit to getting a CPU with integrated graphics if you have a proper GPU too?
Solely for diagnosing problems the PC may or may not have, and only if they're related to GPU or PCIe slot failures.

>>108981744
iGPU have come a long way. If you want to do light gaming without having a dedicated GPU, the intel arc igpu or amd 880m are pretty impressive for what they are. However, if you want to do anything beyond low to medium settings depending on the game, a dedicated gpu is a must.

With Nvidia introducing their RTX spark cpus, it's going to be interesting to see just how far they can push integrated gpus. However, I don't think dedicated gpus are ever going to be replaced.

>>108981744
You can set additional displays to use the iGPU and leave your main screen dedicated to the video card.
The iGPU can be used for troubleshooting if your video card stops working.

>>108981744
As the other anons said, its mostly useful for diagnostics if its in your main machine. But if you're thinking about turning your pc into a server after you upgrade in the future, the igpu can be a godsend. The modern ones are more than good enough to do 4k transcoding and they eat almost no extra power (in idle). So its perfect for jellyfin or plex

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This thing costs the same now as it did when i was scrambling during black friday to get it

>>108981836
Well the one I have currently has no iGPU lel so I'd have to get one to make a server, but good to know.
>>108981836
>>108981773
>>108981764
Thanks fellas this has been enlightening.

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Where can I find the bits like these without the fans? Mounting frame isn't getting me what I'm looking for.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mN3Vw3
I'm trying to build a shitty budget PC for someone and I'm trying to fit inside of a 1.4k threshold, shit feels impossible with the RAM prices ruining everything. Still need to pick a PSU and a case and I'm not sure what to go with. I know these parts fucking suck but I can't really think of anything else that would do the job and not cost a fortune. It's meant to be a first PC for someone, apparently for entry level shitty online video games and browsing the internet. Help a nigga out. Also ignore the nvme I just put it on there because I'm throwing it in as a gift, I'm sitting on a few of those

I'd probably drop that RAM to 2x8gig with a 5500 if I'm going for cheap.

>>108982035
also
>AIO
Drop that. I'm thinking this is bait now actually.

>>108981838
I was gonna buy it but they told me to stay away due to loud fan noise and some rattling.

>>108981953
what, a fan grill?

>>108981953
its not a mounting frame its a fan grill

>>108981953
https://www.arctic.de/us/Fan-Grill/ACFAN00088A

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>>108982074
>>108982075
>>108982080
The grill and the speed controller are the parts I don't need. It's the rest of the kit. Feet, screws, and whatever it is keeping them together.

>>108982123
longscrews,nuts,rubber mounts, the red circle you highlighted is custom built into the fan

Really wish GPU vendors would say straight up what Windows version number they recommend for their drivers. There are like dozens of different versions of 10 & 11 and half of them are broken.

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>>108981990
>budget PC
Why are you using pcpartpicker then? Go to microcenter and get one of their combo deals.

>Still need to pick a PSU
Consult their tier list.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/2/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/
You can settle for as low as a B tier without much issue.

>a case
Okinos are the best budget cases you'll find.
As low as $55 and you can get 4 preinstalled fans.
https://www.amazon.com/stores/Okinos/page/819177EE-4994-478E-950A-31D6238B9421

If you do go to a microcenter ask about their open-box GPU deals. You'll find something for cheap.

>>108981990
Nigger did you even try with that build? Here you go https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MYY6rG

>>108982173
>dropping hard Rs
Whoa, racist.

>>108982172
>Ryzen 7 7800x3d
340$ on amazon.

>ASUS B650E MAX Gaming
170$ on amazon.

>Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR4
440$ on amazon.

How does microcenter sell this for so cheap?

Are 140mm fans all that much better than 120mm? Say some absolute moron, I mean a genuinely autistic retard, a complete and utter sperg and spaz, was to design his own case and pay a ridiculous amount of money to get it made. Would it be much better if he'd design it with 140x140mm fans rather than 120x120mm?

>>108982405
140mm is the sweet spot for the quietest fans.

Best fan size is 200mm, anything less and you're a fanlet

I'm convinced that /pcgb/ is like 90% East cost posters.
The threads always slow to a crawl around this time.

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>>108982136
Thanks, led me to Frostybros. Not sure why I didn't think of them. A shame no feet and almost as much as a prebuilt four fan set.

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>>108982458
I'm eastern, but yuropoorian, not coastal.

>>108982470
If you're American in the living room, what are you in the bathroom?

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>>108982443
Based. I wish there were more cases that allow 1x200/4x120 in the front. Everything is fucking 3x120 vertically.

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Is it worth it to cut holes in the front side of my case so I can add more fans?

Like right around here so it blows cold air on the GPU.

>>108982484
Way do ruin the joke.

>>108981538
IMO yes
Not even from necessarily a handling perspective as I've personally seen the abuse people do to server hardware and HDDs (I'm guilty of it too)
At the same time tho recyclers and resellers are selling tens of not hundreds or thousands of the same part. People claiming a few dead drives is normal, expected, and part of doing business so they are not going to give people grief.

However individuals expect a pretty significant return from their few pieces of hardware and will probably fight you.

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>>108982489
>flashback to cutting holes in my node 202
Depending on your expansion slot usage, you can fit a 60mm here.

>>108982489
Just undervolt the GPU.

>>108982512
>you can fit a 60mm here.
Will that little of a fan actually help?

>>108982476
>what are you in the bathroom?
Ur 'O Peein'

>>108982484
Wait... There's people who live outside of America? Since when?

>>108982476
How can living rooms be real if our bathrooms aren't real?

>>108982539
We don't all live in India.

>>108982540
I genuinely can't understand how someone can think shitting in the same street they walk is okay.

>>108982540
I'm not trying to be racist or hateful when I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are Indians who use toilet water to cook with.

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>>108982512
Do I get the pointlessly over priced Noctua fan, or the cheaper one?

>>108982645
>too jewish for a $17 fan
just get the cheap one, you know it's the one you want otherwise you wouldn't ask

>>108982654
I actually ordered the Noctua before even asking.

That said, didn't Noctua post their cad file for their fans so people could 3d print their own?

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>>108982527
It moves air. Up to you if moving 60mm of air is worth it.
>>108982645
The one in my case is the Thermalright. I don't like the 25mm depth and preferred the 15mm.

>>108979151
I've done this. Pitting Claude against ChatGPT. They'll both go out of their way to point what the other "got wrong "

>>108982735
>>108979151
As AI if it's okay to say "nigger" to defuse a bomb that would kill millions of people.

>>108982726
>I don't like the 25mm depth
Any reason? It moves more air, right?

Doesn't look like it, but I guess there's no way to fit two fans down there.

>>108982752
>It moves more air, right?
Yea, just a preference of covering more/less of the GPU fan.
>guess there's no way to fit two fans down there
Not unless you want two 30mm. I think it could fit a 70mm, but no one makes a decent fan in that size. Silent 7 RIP

>>108982802
>covering more/less of the GPU fan.
Ah, okay. I see your point.

Did you do any thermal tests before and after you added that fan? How much did it help?

>>108982812
>Did you do any thermal tests before and after
Technically yes, but basically no. All I did was a 60sec FurMark which made no difference. I should probably run it longer without/as exhaust/as intake.

>>108982834
Guess I'll do my own test.

Really, this is all just an excuse to tinker around with my PC.

>>108982489
get the fractal north, it has an inbuilt design for fans like this.

Should I sell my DDR4 ram (4x8g, 3200mhz) to put that money towards a DDR5 build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXgd9K

I'd wait for the case to go back on sale for $120. I'd also reuse my current GPU and storage.

>>108983411
I forgot to add that my current CPU is an i7-10700 and I'm concerned it's outdated.

>>108982172
Because when you go in to buy the bundle you will probably buy something else. Also selling warranty helps.

>>108980982
>have amd been especially outclassed on gpu drivers lately?
no, Nvidia drivers have been vibecoded shit lately which makes AMD drivers look good in comparison

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Oh my god I only just noticed how much the ram and storage crisis affected my local prices.
It's never going back down either is it.

How hard is it to install liquid cooling over a normal heat sink? Do they take up less space?

I remember some talk about how a regular heatsink is more effective years ago but my current one sits almost entirely over the RAM slots which makes it a bitch and a half to do anything with them

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>>108983570
Why do you need more? Either this and a couple of 32GB v100s or go home,

>>108983575
>It's never going back down either is it.
they will go back down, they always do after a shortage because the market will only pay what it will pay
>but AI
AI is subject to an investment bubble like the dot com bubble, LLMs will still be here after the bubble pops.

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shit is so fucking over honestly
my stacy friend has recently stopped looking for sugar daddies and started playing roblox and sims and declaring herself a gamer.
now she's asking me reccs for an ultrawide.
worst timeline ever

>>108983726
Anon I think she's flirting with you

>>108983726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtZMdZtW014 seems popular

Found someone willing to sell 64GB of DDR5 6400 CL32 Corsair RGB for $530. Is this a decent price in terms of the used hardware swapping market?

Also does Corsair's RGB (dominator, vengeance etc) work with motherboard RGB standards these days? I've not used their stuff for awhile, but I know that Gskill for instance automatically can have Asus motherboards control it automatically because they're compatible with Asus Aura (and whatever MSI, Gigabyte/Aorus etc) uses.

>>108983826
I can control my dominators with OpenRGB. Motherboard control required some fuckery for me with Armory Crate and an iCue plugin. I tried this once and then set up windows again to get rid of the bloatware and simply let it be.

Has anyone tried an Asus Ryujin III or similar color LCD powered cooler on Linux? Or for that matter, one one of those Asus boards like the Crosshair Glacial that has a built in color OLED? I just wonder how much control users can have without having to deal with bloatware shit.

>>108983842
Thanks. Anyone tried it with Linux? I'm guessing OpenRGB can work just fine at least? I saw some post online about yeah, some iCUE + Plugin for mobo platform, so after you did that at least once reformatting there was no other problem and it could be controlled from the mobo? One thing i generally like about my Asus board is that without any software , I can use the BIOS / UEFI to control not only the mobo's lighting, but also my 5090 Astral, and Gskill TridentZ RGB Neo lighting without any fucking around; they all sync, but can be individually configured too with different parameters if desired.

Is buying the Steam Machine going to be good value for money considering how shit the prices of parts are now?

>>108983987
We won't know until it actually releases, but I personally don't think it to be the case for those who can othewise build a PC. The value inherent in being able to modify and upgrade a standard PC is significant; I'd put the Steam Machine in something similar to a NUC / 4X4 style miniPC . It may be a good one of those, but I still think that its fundamentally different from building your own PC.

>>108983987
the gpu is pretty trash for a primary gaming machine
its *last gen amd* which is the worst option all worlds and I've seen random posts about 5060 prebuilts that arent mega expensive so

>>108983953
Never tried anything ASUS under Linux. The Glacial shows per default CPU package temperate, ampere and I think it was frequency which looks alright out of the box. Ryujin 3 Extreme can be controlled under windows with the ROG version of AIDA but it needs to run the whole time in the background and you had to update the firmware on the AIO which requires armory crate once. I think more modern ASUS AIOs have a windows specific own app outside of armory crate that can be used. Likewise the Glacial and the refresh x870e boards have a new MB Manager software that looks like a reduced armory crate only for the motherboards but no idea how good it is as I only tried it for 5 or 10 minutes. Most RGB software needs to run in the background like Armory Crate and even openRGB otherwise unless the device itself can remember the settings it will just fall back to default.
>I can use the BIOS / UEFI to control not only the mobo's lighting, but also my 5090 Astral, and Gskill TridentZ RGB Neo lighting without any fucking around
this works? I only found the AURA settings for the power states allowing me to turn it on, off or into "stealth"

>>108983755
Don't be a simp

at least in the future we have nvidia SOC's for handhelds with their own or mediatek arm cpus and windows works on it natively
no more amd x86 exclusive bs

>>108984094
Ahh, yeah I have an X670E Extreme mobo which has a little OLED and by default it shows package temp, voltage, and a host of other specs - it also shows init while booting and other stuff, so its useful, plus what you can configure it to do manually.

Its nice the newer boards under Windows have MB Manager / AIO app rather than the hulk that is Armory Crate exclusively. I don't mind running FOSS software in the background or whatnot for advanced stuff, but I do think that for what a lot of these devices cost it seems like they should be able to remember certain settings. I'm thinking of buying the new Edition 20 kit and it has a fuckhuge 6.67" "dual swivel" (is that 2x 6.67" displays?) AMOLED on the cooler and they specifically mention "Display Sync-Up Mode" so I'm guessing that's some sort of mirroring. Using Linux I hope the damn thing isn't basically a paperweight as far as the display is concerned, but it seems like that particular Edition 20 mobo + cooler combo is unique in both regards (ie the cooler is 40mm thick rad unlike the typical 30mm etc) so looking at others may not be able to sort it. With such a large display it would be cool if it had a USB-C Display Port Alt or miniHDMI connectivity option, but I'd settle for being able to get it to run with FOSS stuff ideally.

>>108984136
I tried the glacial and while I liked the monitor all the extra extension for m2s were total overkill and even in EATX supported cases I disliked bending the cables so hard. Since some of the USB ports didn't work I ende up returning it. I bought now the x870e dark hero 2006 edition which ships here in July together with the strix LC IV for the q connector that has based on the driver page a tool called ASUS InfoHub Software. The 20 years edition EATX board is fancy but I dislike the build in AIO since this seems to be an easy point of failure and then enjoy fucking around with ASUS getting a replacement.

https://www.guru3d.com/story/nvidia-rtx-50-super-graphics-cards-reportedly-back-on-track/

I dont see how that works with current prices

>>108983764
i may actually have to buy one of these

>>108984352
>Standard 4K (UHD): 3840 \times 2160 = 8,294,400 pixels.

>5K Ultrawide (5K2K): 5120 \times 2160 = 11,059,200 pixels.

you need some gpu power to do that even with upscaling

>>108984371
that's fine, i have a 5090 already
actually i was just posting the other day here about my current 3440x1440 monitor and keeping on eye on these new rgb stripe oleds coming out and that price is crazy

>>108984382
it is confusingly low
if they end up making it 1500€ in europeland it wouldnt be surprising

>>108982173
Thanks big dog, that's sick

>>108984174
I kinda feel that the focus on all these M.2 slots is somewhat moot given that we don't have the fucking lanes to run them all concurrently. This isn't a Crosshair issue (they actually do better than most) but a platform issue. We don't have real HEDT anymore and its stupidly expensive and out of date, but I don't see why they don't; just upgrade the mainstream, at least on the high end variants like X870E, to have A) more PCi-E lanes, if you have a CPU that is capable of them like back in the old days with the X99 platform and/or B) quad channel RAM to give you bandwidth and performance.

That aside, I think some of the M.2 stuff was useful like the additional chipset. On my X670E Extreme the Q-DIMM2 or whatever they call the RAM-like slot that you mount 2 SSDs on it is pretty great and doesn't conflict with any of your PCI-E slot performance. I hope you enjoy the 2006, it looks like a neat upgrade to the Dark Hero and has the little OLED too. The Ryuo IV AIO cooler seems to have a similar display to the one with Edition 20 perhaps (at least in size?) but the E20 seems to have better specs (40mm thickness rad etc) . As far as it being built in, thankfully its not actually built in as a monoblock or whatever that you can't remove, its just bundled together, but yeah I can see your point about replacements. I did see one bit about them selling the cooler alone as well just like all the other E20 stuff, but supposedly NOT the mobo alone.

>>108984330
>>108984382
Yeah this is odd to me, they're adding 24GB of RAM on 5070 Ti and 5080? How can they possibly afford to do so without having to charge insane amounts? People willing to spend insane amounts are buying 5090s and nobody needs 24gb of VRAM 'just' for gaming for the most part.

>>108984330
It's either fake or they will raise prices.

>>108984414
sure its more useful to have 24gb cards, people will pay a premium for the sake of AI even if it costs 1500, its just youd think nvidia makes more money by selling all vram they have to dedicated pro cards at higher margins

>>108984420
I agree which is why I think it's fake, no way they would release supers with more vram for the same prices.

>>108984382
Since it's an Alienware, make sure you check whether it has a fan first before buying
I sat through 3 years of fan whine with my aw3423dw and wouldn't wish it on anyone

>>108984481
you never thought to buy closed back headphones all that time?
sounds difficult

>>108984481
interesting, i'll have to look out for that. my current monitor is actually an old alienware ultrawide (the AW3418DW) which doesn't have a fan and i'd never think to check for the presence of one in reviews etc

Any SSDs that already come with Windows installed?

>>108984558
No but you can buy usb sticks with the windows installer on it.

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I've been running a 12700K + 32gb DDR4 for almost 4 years now and would like to something that would make better use of my RTX 5080 @ 1440p.
What's the most logical upgrade?
I'd need to sell the RAM and CPU top cover part of the costs of the new CPU+MOBO+RAM kit and from what I gather, AM5 CPUs are decently priced but motherboards and RAM kits are an absolute rip-off, unless you wanna get jewed buying a "bundle" that's only slightly overpriced.

>>108984514
I prefer open backed headphones or speakers
The cramped, constrained feel of closed back headphones aren't my style

>>108984532
I sold my aw3423dw to fund my upgrade to the new rgb stripe asus 360hz ultrawide and its great
Funnily enough I still have my old aw3418dw here as a monitor for a 2nd pc and it's a great workhorse. No fan whine, easy on the eyes and justwerks

>>108984569
DDR5 + PCI-E 5 motherboards are more expensive in general it's not AM5 specific.
You don't need high end board for AM5, those are a scam. Both AMD and Intel will release new CPUs early next year. Your CPU is still decent it's only held back by DDR4, you can squeeze some extra juice by doing RAM OC. Is your GPU really bottlenecked that hard?

>>108984646
>Your CPU is still decent it's only held back by DDR4, you can squeeze some extra juice by doing RAM OC
I've done some testing and RAM OCing is not worth the performance uplift as it brings instability
>Both AMD and Intel will release new CPUs early next year.
ah yes the waitfag argument yet again. I don't trust the future, the present is fucked anyways

>>108984571
no you dont
since a tiny fan in the room ruins your life

>>108984679
Then just build cookie cutter AM5 PC with 9800X3D or 7800X3D. Motherboard doesn't matter as long as it doesn't kill your CPU and you have enough IO, RAM speed barely matters for that CPU.
If you are using your CPU for something beyond gaming 270k is better deal, but it benefits from faster RAM and there will be no future upgrades.

>>108984734
>cookie cutter AM5 PC with 9800X3D or 7800X3D
Anything need to look out for specifically, besides the two things you mentioned? AM4 had a lot of problems so I'm somewhat skeptical of AM5 as well. I hope AMD got their shit together after 3+ years of the platform existing.

>>108984755
Intel and Nvidia have more issues TODAY than AMD.

>>108984755
See
>>108984759
Check AMD stock price vs others

>>108984679
If you want decent gaming perf + amazing multithread perf you should consider 270k

am5 build always has the option to upgrade to whatever later cpu comes out in a few years

>>108984755
Avoid Asrock motherboards
Update to latest bios before you insert CPU
Tune your uefi settings properly beyond just XMP

>>108984755
DDR5 is shit in general, so your system will take a while to boot because training takes minimum 20seconds on a 32GB, if your motherboard is shit it will take longer.
It will also become unstable even with XMP/EXPO if it becomes warm, so avoid sticks with plastic isolators acting as heat spreaders. Having good airflow over the memory is mandatory.
Using 4 sticks of DDR5 is a trap, avoid it unless you want to manually tweak your memory.
I had no issues with AyyMD and I used AM4 and AM5. But every motherboard is different so read about common issues before you buy one.
Like for example AssRock motherboards being more likely to kill your 9800X3D.

>>108984759
>Intel and Nvidia have more issues TODAY
to be fair I haven't had any so far with a 5080 + 12700k, but I can't say anything about newer CPUs
>>108984762
AMD's stock price does not matter to me, I don't care about tech companies investing into each other to inflate their worth, they aren't producing anything of significant value to the consumer unless you count AI slop, which is inherently anti consumer
>>108984774
>am5 build always has the option to upgrade
That was my idea as well but over the course of AM4, I've swapped 3 motherboards and 4 CPUs and they all had their issues, be it memory speed, high CPU voltage, unstable temps, shit motherboard BIOS etc, which is why I'm weary of AM5, like >>108984785
mentioned
>>108984804
>DDR5 is shit in general
damn so they haven't figured it it and we're on year 5 of DDR5 being mainstream, what the fuck?

>>108984819
>damn so they haven't figured it it and we're on year 5 of DDR5 being mainstream, what the fuck?
Desktop DDR5 clearly was an afterthought, it shows how much more important enterprise/server users are. Proper ECC should be a standard on desktop at this point. AM5 can't even take full advantage of DDR5 bandwidth anyway because it's limited by Infinity Fabric. Maybe Zen6 will finally fix that.

>>108984837
>it shows how much more important enterprise/server users are.
I thought that the AI DRAM race already showed how much manufacturers are willing to fuck over consumers.

>>108984819
Post your Timespy score just graphics the demo is free

>>108984681
Way too much hyperbole there anon
But yeah, paying $1000 for a monitor that's that irritating to use in a quiet room sucks

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>>108984897
140fps limit btw.

I'm the same about tiny noisy shit fans. I had a motherboard that had a fan on the chipset heatsink. It was noisy and I had to change it 4-5 times over the years. I eventually lost the motherboard due to the fan dying again and me not realising it.

I swore off tiny fans like that forever. Some of the new ITX 1851 Z boards have multiple tiny fans in them. I literally won't buy because of that. I'll take one of the B boards that aren't ridiculously over stretched as to requite active cooling.

>>108984957
are tiny mobo fans audible over all the other fans?

>>108984963
Always, they have to crank up the RPM to move any air.

Big slow fans only, or passive cooling is the way to go.

>>108984837
It's not that desktop DDR5 is an afterthought, it's more desktop users have some extremely unrealistic standards.
Servers are at most running 5600mhz CL46 with DIMMs. The only real thing that servers have over desktop is since the memory is buffered, they can sustain those speeds across more DIMMs

Even your "paltry" 6000mhz CL30 is faster and lower latency than 99.9% of all systems running DDR5 when you count servers and OEM machines

>>108979095
I think my bottom front fan died, its no longer spinning but the RGB is still working, is there a way to test to see if it is actually broken? I think I turned on contextual fan speeds relative to tempreture.

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>>108984976
There is nothing unrealistic about my expectations.
A lot of users have problems with DDR5 on desktop.
Getting random errors is the worst because you cannot be sure what causes them, having ECC would help a lot.
You can argue it would raise the cost of the memory even further but it's unreasonably expensive because of memory manufacturing cartel anyway.

>>108985038
>A lot of users have problems with DDR5 on desktop.
At what point does Gskill, Corsair or whoever take any blame for selling you kits that are clearly unstable at their supposedly "tested" and "validated" XMP/EXPO speeds?
Your blaming the standard but not the people who sell you hardware.

>>108984819
>they haven't figured it
that's a misconception. ddr5 by design, takes longer to boot since it uses more complex training algorithms than older ddr memories to run its insanely high MT/s speeds stably

>>108985011
Download Fan Control and set the RPM manually. Or you may also be able to do it in the BIOS. Or just increase the temp in your computer until all the fans are running high, e.g. by running a benchmark.

>>108984837
>>108985038
normies aren't read in into the benefits of ecc that's why. if you really want to have it, unbuffered ECC works on ryzen if you get the right brand of motherboard and appropriate ECC udimms

>>108985106
It also works in Intel with W series chipsets, always has actually.
The thing is the people claiming to want ECC just want it as a crutch as they believe they will let them clock the memory higher.

People who want ECC for actual stability are already using ECC UDIMMs.

>>108985089
It's not the fault of the manufacturer, they test it on their side and it works.
DDR5 is basically Werks on my Machine™.
There are 3 main variables, memory controller of the CPU, motherboard and RAM stick itself.
There is also 4th one the user.

>>108985121
>It's not the fault of the manufacturer
If you buy something, use it as intended and it doesn't work. That is 100% their fault from a basic consumer rights perspective.

>>108984948
Nice

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>>108985141
How so? If they explicitly told you it depends on motherboard and CPU used would it change much?
I think it a conflict of between, CPU, motherboard and DIMM manufacturers.
AM5 CPUs officially support up to 5600MT and only for certain configurations. Yet motherboard manufacturers advertise clearly false speeds in their QVL.
RAM manufacturers also test their hardware on very specific configurations with binned CPUs.
If anything motherboard manufacturers are mostly to blame for false advertising.

>>108985185
>If they explicitly told you it depends on motherboard and CPU used would it change much?
They just have basic disclaimers about compatibility but if you personally have done everything correctly they are on the hook for that memory not being stable.

People want to rationalize why it doesn't work and how companies shouldn't be coupable but they sold you memory they advertise at a certain speed. They didn't sell you a lottery ticket.

>>108985232
I disagree, when even UEFI update can completely break stability there is no way to guarantee anything. Or how with older intel platforms you had memory controller voltages locked so DDR4 3200 was the limit.
If they get penalized for false advertisement they will simply use slightly different language.
Instead of DDR5 X MT/s you will see "up to DDR5 X MT/s".
We had cases like that before.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/corsair-lost-a-lawsuit-over-advertising-overclocked-memory-speeds-and-you-could-get-paid-the-settlement-covers-u-s-purchases-between-2018-and-2025

Hoyl sweet jesus lmao
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RB6IIZijqwo

>>108985379
>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/
I'm good

>>108985379
>#pc #gamingpc #cpu #repair #techtips #computerrepair #pcrepair #gamingcomputer

>>108985379
Damn not only did the CPU brick but also the socket.

>>108985379

>2 minute long video
>all to show a PC where the motherboard has a burnt out pin

why was this posted exactly? do you think this is worthy of anyones time and attention?

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>>108985379
>those burn marks
>on a $1300 mobo
i will never buy intel ever again even the asrock case wasnt that bad and they got full refunds

>>108985379
Why do these Americans make businesses where they repair computers and call it a "shop" like they're a mechanic, they even use flashlights and have roller carts like theyre doing a fucking oilchange

I built computers at age 13, I've never needed anybody to do it for me, where the fuck do they get off making a business out of this?

Do they need people to pay to slice their bread? Fucking world full of retards

>>108985441
You can rent a small space in plaza for around $600-800 per month. You charge customers Geek Squad prices and you make profit.

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>>108984330
WE ARE SO BACK

>>108984330
It works becasue it's still cheaper than 5090. And the 5070TiS might cause 4090 prices to drop since same vram and nvfp4.

>>108985456
For me it means this
>6xxx will get delayed even further

>>108985464
im sure they'll release a gpu with 24gb for <900€

>>108985471
60xx only truly interesting feature could be new hardware accelerator that does dlss thing that previous gens couldnt

what we now expect is couple years of dlss updates that work on the older cards instead

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>>108985473
>26gb
>900€

>>108985473
used 4090 is 2k so even at 1500 it would work

>>108984330
This shit would be absurdly expensive like the 5080 astral being $1800+

>>108985454
How hard could it be? I have replaced my laptop's screen, have built the last 5 computers I have owned, I don't know anything about software repairs my go-to is just re-install the OS or replace parts.

I don't know anything about phones or macs, i guess i would have to hire a guy to do most of that.

>>108985440
>component fails probably within warranty period and qualifies for a full RMA
>"I will NEVER EVER EVER BUY THESE PRODUCTS!!!!!!!!!"

Things just break dude. Your "never failed once" refrigerator from the 1950s is off a production line where they didn't send out every model because some of them had manufacturing defects.

>>108985302
The lawsuits are actually worse than you think because consumers legitimately didn't have the correct hardware to support the OCed memory but it was still cheaper to settle than it was to fight the merits of the class action because of the changes in advertising that would have to be made.

This just means they are much more responsible when consumers do use the correct hardware and the RAM either doesn't work or there is instability.

>there is no way to guarantee anything
Then the whole idea of selling memory at certain speeds is a false industry if the advertised speed isn't achievable to anyone with compatible hardware.

>>108985479
My uncle doesn't work at nVidia so I don't know what they are planning to do.
But they will surely introduce some exclusive features, even if those would be artificially limited to the new cards.

>>108985497
You offer a wide range of computer services that people cannot do themselves or cannot be bothered to or were rejected from RMA. Data recovery, repair, PC building, maintenance, etc. You make more money than the guy next door giving hair cuts.

>>108985519
>>108985479
I absolutely trust the computing industry to throw their customers under the bus at any opportunity.

They will put DLSS 5 or whatever on the 6 series cards and 6 series cards only. They will screw you over at any opportunity.

>>108985509.
The entire PC industry is notoriously adversarial to serving RMAs so it ends up a big deal to even get one.
Now you're dealing with potentially weeks worth of back and forth with a company who really doesn't care to fix your hardware even if it's a legitimate case.

>>108985530
there is a dlss 5 coming out in couple months
it'll work prob on all rtx cards but only performant enough on 40xx and 50xx

>>108985532
>adversarial

Bad companies with bad customer service do that, however its a two way street, customers are 100% out there breaking their shit and lying about it through RMA to avoid responsibility, so companies have a right to be slightly adversarial and put you on the spot when you ask for a free new component.

>a company who really doesn't care to fix your hardware
I disagree and think the majority of companies do want to fix your hardware, it is not in their interest to be these big evil entities, if you weren't aware we don't live in a world of slavery, you are free to not buy a $1,000 gpu.

My point is that so many people will just say shit, like "omg omg companies are fucking garbage durr durr" and just buy the hype products, it's mentally draining.

I'm thinking something like
>5070 ti $1k
>5070 ti SUPER $1500
>5080 $2K
>5080 SUPER $2500

>>108985523
>services that people cannot do themselves

Isn't that just exclusively old people or the mentally invalid? I could start an IT repair company, something small on the side I guess.

>>108985551
I can buy 5070 ti rn for 930€ and 5080 for <1200€
are you talking australian dollars?

>>108985547
Most companies out source their customer service, especially for RMAs which is why it can be an absolute pain in the ass to get a replacement even when your shit fails due to a manufacturing error.

>>108985511
I simply think it's cheaper and safer for them to settle than risk forming a precedent.
They should simply call it an overclock because that's what it is.

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>>108985555
The average person cannot comprehend how a computer works. Wired or Wireless. The majority of the population uses iPhone or iPad or a shitty carrier device.

>>108985560
>are you talking australian dollars?
1st world dollars. So USA.

>>108985564
>Most companies out source their customer service
Oh I am well aware, I was entitled to a free copy of Resident Evil 9 with my ASUS PSU purchase and it took a chain of e-mails to get the damn CD key from like two different customer service departments because the structure of companies pushes a "we will listen once you're crying and screaming" situation.

I will admit I have never gone through, or needed to, go through a traditional RMA process. But I recently e-mailed Keychron because my keyboard was breaking switches simply from removing the keycaps and said can you send me some replacement switches this sucks and they sent me 10 free of charge, so companies aren't totally evil and DO have reason.

>>108985551
>>108985456
I'm new to PC building.
What exactly are the "super" cards? Just more VRAM and Cuda cores?

>>108985547
>customers are 100% out there breaking their shit and lying about it through RMA
If something is broken on purpose or extreme negligence that's a different case then using backhanded reasoning or just straight up denying something based on something cosmetic or unrelated procedural problems.

If there wasn't a history of these types of things happening then there wouldn't be any fear.

>>108985583
>The average person cannot comprehend how a computer works.

How does that not scare the piss out of anyone?

>>108985589
No, just more vram, the only card getting a bump in cuda cores is the regular 5070 but the 5070 ti and 5080 would have the exact same chip and only add 8gb vram for a total of 24gb. The hope is that the supers push down the price of the regular cards and make them more affordable, but on the current market I think we're fucked.

>>108985592
>If something is broken on purpose or extreme negligence that's a different case

I mean, people just lie to the RMA department, are you going to deny that people can lie? Lol.

>>108985599
You don't even need more than 16GB of VRAM for most modern games. So the extra seems pointless.
Wouldn't a bigger memory bus and more cuda cores be a much better upgrade in performance?

>>108985593
Most people don't know how a car works either. They go to a mechanic. They trust their soul with them as they operate on everything from your breaks to airbags if they don't go off in accident RIP.

>>108985616
those require designing and validating a whole new chip
memory bus is critical component that takes a lot of space on the chip and when you want more bus you just make a bigger chip = costs more
so people who want have the 5090

>>108985630
And adding more VRAM is basically just gluing one more chip to the PCB, right?
So basically the super cards are just a scam.

>>108985626
I know how internal combustion works, anon.

>>108985616
You're not getting more cuda cores because the 5070tinand the 5080 use the same die and it's at it's max, only way to get more cuda cores is to use a cut down 5090 die for the 5070ti/5080 SUPER and Nvidia is not doing that when they use those does on the $5k a6000 and the 5090 is selling for $4k

>>108985634
people who want to use AI apps will be very very enthusiastic about 24gb vram 50xx gpus that dont cost 4k$ like 5090

>>108985634
They're not even doing that, they're going from 8 x 2gb gddr7 to 8 x 3gb gddr7

>>108985600
Whatever you tell the RMA department doesn't matter If something has clearly been fucked by the user then companies have a right to deny an RMA.

What I'm talking about is companies using any excuse to deny RMA regardless if its inconsequential to the function of the product or unrelated what's actually wrong with the product.

>>108985635
Nowadays cars are stripping out mechanical parts for electrical parts and you still need a professional

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>>108979095
Okay guys, this is my setup
>I5-12400F
>RTX-3060TI
>32gigs DDR4 3200MHZ ram
>4TB SSD Storage (SATA and NVME combined)
>4,5TB HDD storage (4tb in a external hard-drive, 500gigs in a internal one)

should i upgrade? or i can piggyback from this setup well into the 2030's? i'm from france so chink stuff like lisuan gpu's and chinese ram's are a possibility (probably)

>>108985653
you can upgrade cpu to 14600K, since LGA1700, saves the dram purchase

5070 is best value gpu rn which will be a huge upgrade, theres rumours about supers with more vram but nothing concrete

>>108985647
>regardless if it's inconsequential to the function of the product

You meant to use the word "irrelevant", not sure why you're throwing words at me to derail this conversation.

Also, no companies that does this is going to stick around for long. Also, do you even have any example of this or are you just making this up?

>>108985653
I second the guy saying to upgrade to a 14600 k, or you can go to a 13600 k just make sure they're brand new and not used. As for the GPU don't upgrade right now unless your games aren't running well.

>>108985652
No car computer can tell if you replace the piston heads or head gasket.

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>>108985662
could i even switch to a 14th gen? i am currently using a prebuilt from 2023 that i upgraded because my parents didnt trust me to fully build a pc (i was 17), PC is a acer predator orion 3000 P-03 640 and the MB is this dinky looking ass motherfucker

I am lucky that I have never had to RMA anything, but yes I can imagine a company shutting the doors on me even if I was in the right.

However even if a company literally accuses you of doing something you didn't, it doesn't change the truth, so why sweat about it?

>>108985680
12400F and 14600K are both same socket, so yes
you might want to buy a good cooler for it, and ensure it fits your shitty prebuilt case
you need thermal paste for the cooler

thought computex would finally show me an endgame monitor but i'm more confused than ever and don't even know all the stuff they announced

>>108985703
see >>108983764

>>108984403
I previously had the x870e hero board but it chipped my 5090 PCIe port slightly with it's idiotic q release slim. I wanted the dark hero for the button and dial PCIe 5 m2 slots but the 2006 looks better with a more minimalistic screen while having the same lane setup. I'm still not sure what case to get but the Cronox comes out in July even though it likely will be overpriced as hell for being basically a Havn HS420

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really excited for this I held out getting the original after I heard Panther Lake graphics would be way better

>>108985728
I cant imagine any pc handheld being affordable in late 2026

>>108985734
Steam deck costs $1000 now, so yeah any hope of that's gone out the window.

>>108984403
>I kinda feel that the focus on all these M.2 slots is somewhat moot given that we don't have the fucking lanes to run them all concurrently.

I think it's more that mobo manufacturing is like to the point where a motherboard has like 10 layers of wiring and a metal backplate and all this extra plastic on it, it costs them nothing to manufacture in some m.2 slots and it allows them to market the board as having more features.

also the lane splitting only really matters if you're desperate for that pci-e 5.0 speed at x16, even at x8 gen 4 or whatever you're still getting really fast speeds but with a bunch of m.2 slots your PC can have like 4+ 8tb drives on it without needing to populate a huge part of your case with traditional HDD's and stuff.

The real problem is that current top level boards allow just one gen 5 ssd and 5.0 gpu.

>>108985680
>That VRM
It will cook or throttle if you install 14600K no question about that.