A general for Frontier Chads, Opencode builders on a budget. Pick your model and talk shit.## What “vibe coding” is, and how to do ithttps://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/----## Frontier models using fully-general tooling — start here if you have $20 or sohttps://developers.openai.com/codex/clihttps://claude.com/product/claude-code## Mid tierhttps://opencode.ai/https://cursor.com/docshttps://antigravity.google/https://geminicli.com/docs/## Open / local / self-hostedhttps://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHandshttps://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-codehttps://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coderhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/Qwen_Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUF----## Prompting / context / skillshttps://arps18.github.io/posts/claude-code-mastery/https://simonwillison.net/guides/agentic-engineering-patterns/using-git-with-coding-agents/https://github.com/mattpocock/skills — /grill-me is a favorite## Other editors / terminal agents / coding agentshttps://x.ai/clihttps://docs.windsurf.com/https://docs.cline.bot/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent## UI/Frontendhttps://www.figma.com/make/https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-design-anthropic-labshttps://uiverse.io/https://ui-ux-pro-max-skill.nextlevelbuilder.io/https://stitch.withgoogle.com/## In-browser builders / hosted vibe toolshttps://bolt.new/https://replit.com/https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/sparkhttps://v0.app/docs## Benchmarks / rankingshttps://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0## Previous thread>>108992388
thanks aol
we are building incredible things
>>109003462A little trick I use is to force it too only use 150 characters, like Twitter used to be. Also, adding a playlist helps maintain context unironically.
I ran out of my weekly codex quota. but basically the idea was>simcity simulation but intensehttps://github.com/wolfeVector16/Simulationui is crapppy, but i've been mostly vibecoding the simulation stuff
Which one gives the most/unlimited token on a budget?
>>109003462>AOL is wrote a beginner's guide to vibe codingthat's a recession indicator, if I've ever seen one
>>109003603did you live through the 90s?
>>109003609I was in elementary school, but yes
>>109003462So write an O'Reilly book about vibe coding then
I haven't really made any programs before and while i am very happy with what Claude has made for me, i would like some outside feedback if anybody is up for it. You can ignore the mech showcase on the right side, i was thinking I'd turn it into an actual wire-frame generator using AI or something for engineering purposes and stuff later, any features i am missing? i am happy with the look and feel and don't care if you don't like the aesthetic.this is mainly for local use and i am never going to add online dogshit.Notes:-the sys button above the chat list is for AI preset commands or whatev-you can change the AI parameters at the top, temp, top_p, tokens-the mech shit is useless currently am working on ithttps://github.com/pomflord-commits/Iron-Meridian-Terminal
>>109003616My gut tells me we are around 1993 (USA standard) the discovery phase. More tech coming soon, more euphoria, then a burst, but we are no where near the top.
Vibe coding is a bit frustrating. It quickly gives impressive results, but the n% left to make it all actually good takes a lot of time, and the deeper you go the more you see some things you that make you go wtf.
>>109003704>but the n% left to make it all actually good takes a lot of timethis is true for all software, thoughthe meme is something like>the first 90% of the project takes 90% of the time>the final 10% of the project takes the other 90% of the timehttps://daringfireball.net/2004/04/spray_on_usability#:~:text=It’s%20an%20entire%20order%20of%20magnitude%20more%20work.
why hasn't anyone leaked a frontier model's weights? do all these ai firms just have top notch security teams?
>>109003887if its been leaked its been done so privately, not like individuals would have the resources to run them anyways
>>109003887Clearly its because there is nothing to leak. They already achieved AGI and they are just pretending to make smaller scale advances for now to not destabilize society too much too quickly
Claude Code is my daily driver but I just spent the day in Codex.GPT 5.5 is probably smarter than Claude Opus 4.8 to create a self contained solution, but it seems way worse at integrating the solution into a project as a whole.Whereas Claude sometimes intertwines things too much when integrating something, GPT seems to keep what it adds to a few new files without trying to adapt to the codebase style. At all.It just does the work, then tack that blob to the codebase. There might be a dozen examples right next to it, if it is not asked clearly to do it in the same way, it does its own thing.I'm GPT 5.5 xhigh without instruction files, I'm just asking it to take the time to look around the project before starting giving it tasks, etc. It is the second time that it gives me something that works, but it doesn't match at all how everything else is done.It can be a skill issue on my end and I need to be more precise, but it's a different experience compared to Claude Code. It's good, but it feels like it has less judgment and more things need to be said explicitly.
>>109003887It happened once with Llama 1. It was pretty frontier back then, and the reason it went public is that someone leaked it. Llama 1 was never meant to be shared afaik.As to why the models weights haven't leaked, those models are probably over 1TB, which is hard to exfiltrate, and even if someone was able to do it, running the models wouldn't be easy.
hacker news is having a melty about ai again
>>109004004I make gpt do grunt work for my claude to stretch out my context windows longer
>>109004061Usually I have Claude doing most of the implementation work and Codex reviewing for correctness. But I pretty much maxed out my Claude quota for the week, so I'm on a Codex only run right now. It follows instructions well, but maybe it needs a specific agents.md or memory.md or whatever more than Claude.
>>109004060Why? Because it makes their defining trait (intelligence and knowledge) purchasable for $20?
>>109004060
>>109004060>>109004489https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48434312 LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do (human-in-the-loop.bearblog.dev)
I feel like codebloat is the biggest problem with the vibecode I get. People tend to write the bare minimum of code to make something work, AI will write checks for things that don't need to be checked, so everything is twice as big as it need to be. Maybe I should add "make sure that the checks you write are really necessary" to my AGENTS.md.>>109002969>hurr just use a language that doesn't crash broRustrannies don't understand the concept that crashes aren't a bad thing, bugs are, and their tranny language can't make bugs go away.
I'll continue when the background task notification arrives.>Read agent output (hwjvlai5b3)I'll wait for the notification instead of polling.>Read agent output (hwjvlai5b3)> Unchanged since last read.I should stop polling and wait for the notification.>Bash(true)> (No output)I will end my turn and wait for the notification.
>>109004060>>109004585lel, code monkeys are directly threatened while entrepreneurchads enjoy getting 10x more done. That code monkey is actually complaining that AI is good at solving bugs lmao.
>>109004639now this is token efficiency
>>109004489>(intelligence and knowledge)Mostly just knowledge. Most code monkeys are just the equivalent of lawyers, they know lots of things about something man-made. AI competes on that, in fact it's hard to beat something that can read a specification and understand everything and use this in a few seconds.
>usage resets at 4am>set alarm for 4am>send "hey">usage clock starts ticking>go back to sleep>3 hours later>wake up and vibe for 2 hours, het reset, vibe for another 2 hours, go back to sleep, set alarm for 3 hours later.Anyone else use this neat trick of ruining your sleep?
>>109005145based, but you should find a way to automate it
>>109004061Install Hape
>>109005145yep, I'm not getting screwed out of usage!
>>109005145>3 days later>weekly usage: 100%
One wrinkle showed up
>>109005145If you were making anything useful you'd be able to pay for more usage.
>>109005410If it was possible to make anything useful with AI, nobody would bat an eye at the price. The fact people are struggling over free usage and limits proves it's not possible to make anything useful with AI.
>>109005425Forgot image.
>>109005410when we have ai marketing teams, maybe one day
>>109005440Ironically, AI is far better at sales and marketing than it is at writing code or making product decisions.>>109005430Prove me wrong. You literally can't.
>>109005467Oops, I forgot to post an image again! Teehee!
>>109005108I don’t get why these codemonkeys feel threatened when learning AI is piss easy and giving them the chance to be ten times more powerful and still gain more advantages because the reverse is still much harder.
>>109005562I’d be twitchy if I weren’t absolutely sure my employer didn’t want 10x more powermaybe a lot of employers want the same power at 1/10 the headcount
>>109005562Call me when anyone other than the sub-0 IQ aifags who literally can't physically tie their actual shoelaces due to profound retardation find any use out of ai. So far all it's done is produce mass slop that doesn't work and make 10x more work for humans.
>>109005605Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>109005605I got Claude and Codex to help me find how to stitch music together:https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies
>>109005562Ten?! Are you fucking serious? TEN?Either you have a severe prompting issue or you're are using a gimped out 2023 model, or I have no fucking idea.With 5.5 I'm a 50-100x ON A BAD DAY. Probably 700x when I find the flow.
>>109005631nocoder here. my agent is telling me "this is graduate-level research work that will take weeks, do not attempt" and it does it in about 2 hours
>>109005631he doesn’t have pic related pressing enter for him or auto mode turned on
>>109005562Because they're not engineers, they're just people who know about all the features of a language, IDE or API. You can replace them and not miss them.
>>109005631Show me what you’ve created with it.
>>109005631For me at this point it's not even a ratio anymore, it's the difference between doing something fast and not doing it at all. I wouldn't do what I just did (reorganise a VST plugin I haven't updated since 2015 for a different plugin framework and added new features to it) because without AI it would be a mountainous pain in the arse (learning about the new framework, adapting every little thing one by one, figuring out why it doesn't work etc).>>109005605I hear a faint murmur from the vicinity of the ground, what could it be?
>>109005617Thanks for proving my point exactly.>>109005697Still waiting. See above, making broken code that only works in one case with incorrect hardcoded values is all AI is good for.
>>109005727
>>109005631>700 x 0
>>109005731It's not quite like that. I want to see what people use it for and keep a finger on the pulse of what the tech can do. The minimum threshold where it becomes generally useful is when it can accurately translate code between 2 languages, or when it can accurately deobfuscate/cleanup decompiled code.A higher bar is when it is able to create even simple functions consistently and correctly, so that an operator can prompt functions one at a time.A good yardstick for the former is likely not going to show up in public, but for the latter it's quite straightforward: just gotta see any actually new (i.e. not the bazillionth notes app clone) written with extensive AI use. For some reason this hasn't happened yet. In principle I would expect that the first times people will find these instances will be in threads where people are most enthusiastic about AI, but so far what I found is that the people most enthusiastic about it are also the least competent people around. It's very weird to me because I genuinely never expected this. I expected to see a chasm between the two groups and to see the AI group pull ahead as AI improves. Despite the Ai group having extensive training in AI use by now, and AI tools improving a lot, I don't see any progress. It seems like past the gpt-4.0 era, everything stalled among AI enthusiasts.Eitherway I am mostly here to see what happens.
>>109005636>claude makes a 6 week time line>45 minutes later it's done
>>109005774NTA and anecdotal but opus 4.5 was the first big leap in RE imo and 4.7 was the first model that caught merged functions without me explicitly prompting for it, or for that matter, realizing it myself.
>>109005774Alright then relax, I remember you, you're that guy who wanted to translate some math python library. Maybe you should do it one function at a time, have you thought about that?Anyway over the last week I did so many things I can't even remember them all. I ported an old plugin of mine from an old outdated framework to a new one without and fix compatibility with a library without writing any code myself, just now I had it create this black rectangle and write something in it so that I can then manually edit whatever function he created to do that, I had it fix my malloc implementation (I wrote a map feature to find buffers quickly that didn't really work, it fixed it and expanded upon it), I did everything on my todo list for another program and made it find bugs to fix, and I had it fix and improve GTA Vice City for fun.
>>109005774>The minimum threshold where it becomes generally useful is when it can accurately translate code between 2 languagesnothin personnel kiddohttps://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30412
>>109005861github is dying (and gay)
>>109005861This is a great example of AI specifically failing spectacularly at translating code between two codebases actually. Despite infinite budget and having access to preview-only models. But I don't count it too hard against AI capabilities because zig is probably not the easiest for AI to work with due to too little training data.>>109005848You're seeing spooks. Other than that,>may we see it?Just going on a hunch here but your next response will be>no>>109005840To me the only time I thought 'hey, maybe this can actually work!' was opus 4.6. 4.7 has been worse than 4.6 in all things I've tried it on. 4.8 even worse. So I'm not holding my breath. As for 4.6, while it was capable of doing some cool stuff, it always fell short of going from cool to useful.
>>109005935My next response is please namefag so we don't need to see your autistic screeching.
I've been using Claude Pro for a month, all this time on Sonnet 4.6 on Low and it's generally okay. But I'm not even touching the limits.Will I see difference if I change model/effort/enable thinking?This is on the browser btw. I once used it from Cloude Code and it burned my entire usage just reading the repo...
>>109005935woman moment
Finally! A video of someone who has actually vibe coded something that works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0YKxXdirzU&t=300
>>109005960>>109005986Called it. It's all so tiresome.
>>109005697>For me at this point it's not even a ratio anymore, it's the difference between doing something fast and not doing it at allGood observation. A couple weeks back I built full automation for my home climate control system using a "state machine" architecture. Predictive, saves money on bills, and is a much nicer experience than anything a human could do. Point being, I would never have made this before seeing how I was no-code prior to the AI revolution. Really opens up your mind.>>109005636Yep, AI trivializes work, those that fail to see it have no future.And that's not even considering the fact that, in those two hours, you could easily spin up several other AIs that do OTHER tasks that would ALSO take weeks.>>109005688And get endlessly harassed by incels? No thank you.>>109005744Nope, that method of notation generally refers to an "average" engineer. Not a good one, not a bad one.It originates from the pre-AI times when some of the best engineers were considered 10x. Oh, have times have changed.
>>109005984>Will I see difference if I change model/effort/enable thinkingyes but also depends on what you're doing.>This is on the browser btwpls stop.>I once used it from Cloude Code and it burned my entire usage just reading the repodon't ask it to read the entire repo then, esp if it's a large one. the models are decent at greping around and finding what they need these days - a little guidance goes a long way though and if it's very, very large, it can be helpful to have it make docs for its future self
>>109006002Why would anyone want to show you in particular their work? ever think about that? No one fucks a fuck about your approval nor your goal posts which will move indefinitely.
Is forking the Codex CLI a decent way to get into custom harnesses? It seems easier than using something like PI right away, and GPT is my favourite model anyway.
>vibe code so much that you start dreaming about the skills of the program and how to fix issues related to the llms not using skills properlywell...
>>109006053No, the codex codebase is a gigantic pile of rust that wasn't designed to be easily extended. Learning Pi would be 100x easier
>>109006002You're the tiresome one. But since you're basically volunteering to be a beta tester, I'll use that. This is a VST3 and CLAP plugin, and keep in mind, everything that makes it work is the work of ChatGPT 5.5 in the last week.https://files.catbox.moe/2p21ms.zip
>>109006117>no code>just trust me broevery time
>>109006132It's commercial software you cretin. If you want code look at my June commits https://github.com/Photosounder?tab=overview&from=2026-06-01&to=2026-06-31
>>109006140>may we see it?>noEvery time
>>109006162The source that I can show you is right there you double nigger just click it I'm not gonna show you code for things that I charge people for.
>>109006192Please take your medications at your earliest convenience.
>>109006192Ignore them.In the wake of the Singularity they will be but grains of sand in a desert; endless, meaningless, insignificant.
>>109006235I gave you the link to all the open source AI slop I've done in the last week, here >>109006140
ofc
>>109006082How long would it approximately take to build something as good (or better) than Codex CLI with PI?
>>109006266This entire thread in a nutshell lol
What I wouldn't give to have an API key assigned by some big corp to a jeet programmer that I could rape for all it's worth
>there are people who unironically think the beige serif slop claude shits out is good frontend.
>>109006292Thinking twice about it if I had a few of them I could make a killing on Taobao
>>109006266>big tech thinks it's a good idea to let their army of jeetcoders produce gigantic mounds of golang/python shitNew theory: jeeted companies will crumble under the weight of hundreds of millions of lines of slop code while vibeGODers will thrive on their own.
>>109006317Saaaar my multi-agent workflow the best it do many thing and I delegate the task for loop hahaha /goal ve are number one.
FUCKING NIGGERS IM GONNA DO IT ANONS, IM GONNA GIVE THEM MY MONEY GODDAMN IT.
>>109006350>changes - minimal and surgicalThis is how you get spaghetti code.
Currently using Codex and on the GPT 5x pro plan, about to get billed for next month. Should I stay or switch to Claude 5x max? Anyone who used both recently with some thoughts on this? My use case being software development in the categories: primarily windows and android (for now), D3D12/D3D11/OpenGL/Vulkan interop, hardware accelerated rendering/encoding/decoding (nvidia, qualcom), OpenXR knowledge and lots of debugging
3 more hours until the fun starts again. I'm starting to feel impatient.
>>109006266i find it very funny that people think stories like this aren't incredibly bullish for AI
>>109006401Why do you pay like this? Aren't API costs huge compared to what you get with subscriptions?>>109006408It's bullish for AI providers, but idk about Uber itself. This basically turns the jeets into unstoppable out of control shitslop producers, there's no way anyone outside of their teams can do anything about their code explosion. Their mountain of code is either good enough or Uber is fucked.
I am almost certain that if you were to pay for cows instead of tokens you would make more money. What justification do you have for paying for tokens with this advice in mind?
>>109006374In my experience Codex is at least slightly better in almost all regards, and it's especially better when you have difficult or math heavy tasks.
>>109006422This is a subscription. Your API usage is counted and you are allowed so much per day. That's how the proxy life works.
>>109006422it's the first time people are deploying the tools and figuring shit out, it's expected for something as useful as thisthe realisation that non-inference providers will come to eventually is this: 1 engineer + 1 salary worth of tokens > 2-3 engineersteams will get smaller and management layers will start to disappearbecause 2-3x'ing engineer productivity does not translate to 2-3x'ing your revenues because most of these firms are already approaching market saturationso the only way to increase profit is to downsizeand they will
So yeah, perhaps an insane reverse engineering effort that burned through $120 worth of API usage wasn't the best thing to start with when I finally got access to Codex again after a drought. I should probably do something more chill tonight.
>>109006451That makes sense. The Jack Welch types who love "fixing" companies by firing engineers are gonna love this.On the other hand I think that somehow demand for software will increase, kind of like higher capacity roads lead to so much more traffic that it leads to worse congestion.I wonder wtf I will do though if I can't make enough money on my own and can't find a programming job due to such downsizing.
>>109006487become a communist or pic-related
>>109005840>NTA and anecdotal but opus 4.5 was the first big leap in RE imoI saw the same. Id been wanting to RE old systems for a while. With 4.5 it was a slow crank and it'd show progress but you'd have to refine it a bunch. With 4.6 it'd start to self reflect a little.. By 4.7 it could self iterate. Still requires a lot of human validation, but it also has learned to self tool a bit too
We're all fucked, I don't know why you guys haven't accepted this yet. Four years ago ChatGPT was a novelty and I was creating tiny one file scripts by going back and forth to copy stuff. Fast forward to today, and I'm building software for a user base of 1000+ people, and I've done this all without understanding a single line of code. Some of my users are engineers at well respected companies, while I sit here lolling around as the prompts process. If someone as uninspired as me is able to accomplish this level of usefulness without zero technical skill, then imagine what it's going to do two years from now. You may as well shred your compsci degrees.
I want to work on some intense RE projects. I've been using Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5 for most of my work. Are there any Chinese models that compare?
>codemode
The fucking Codex resets are an addiction strategy to get people hooked on burning through 5.5 High/ExtraHigh. It sounds CRAZY that an AI company would WANT people to use more compute but I think it's true. When people get used to using more usage they'll be forced to upgrade plans when empty, then it becomes your "new normal". This is why they removed the older cheaper 5.3 model, they don't want you to use 5.4 either. This is also why they have "Fast" mode which burns through plan usage even faster, it all makes sense now! Don't fall for the narrative that compute is a sacred resource, it's a trick.
>>109006445alright thanks lad, I'll just stick with it then
>>109006539glm 5.1 and kimi 2.6 are sota chinkware, if you don't like them you're basically fucked for right now
new chink model enters the race.numbers don't look crazy inflated. not sure on pricing since it's behind some chink site.
also wtf
It's scary how shit Opus 4.6 is for anything remotely complex.
>>109007123"just" a qwen finetune if I understand correctly. it may still be ok but I'm suspicious of these no name labs
>>109007123That's a decently impressive score for DeepSWE (the only accurate benchmark). 33% puts it on the level of claude-sonnet-4.6[high] and claude-opus-4.6[max].I might try it out just to see if DeepSWE has been gamed somehow by china.
>>109007181That's just as inaccurate as all other benchmarks I've ever seen.
>>109007154Still find it to be far ahead of anything else right now. Just I always set effort to low, otherwise it breaks.
>>109007233I like how you didn't state how it's inaccurate because if you did then your credibility would go to zero.
>>109007248I don't state it because there's nothing much to state about it. All gpt 5 series models are worse than 4.1, 4o, or o3. Claude 4.5, 4.6 and 4.7 models (but not 4.8) (both sonnet and opus series) are far ahead of all all the gpt 5 series models regardless of settings used. Deepseek r1 is about on par with gpt 5.2, slightly ahead in most cases, but only when thinking is disabled (with thinking enabled it's closer to gpt-3.5 at best).
>>109006538Mostly correct, except I would say we're anything but "fucked".This is the Singularity. Rather than being afraid, go ahead and *enjoy* it; this is by far the biggest leap humanity has ever taken. Wild times, for sure, but not in a bad way.
>>109007268ok demis
>>109007265LMAO GET A LOAD OF THIS KEK HE THINKS CLAUDE IS BETTER THAN GPT-5.5told you your credibility would go to zero
>>109007285I use extensive internal benchmarks. You use your ass.
>>109006487honestly, i think the next big industry for individual programmers and engineers is going to be mom and pop vibe coding slop shops. boomers and business owners already do this for lots of aspects of their business' like their shitty websites they pay the local IT guy to make them, so i can imagine that their is going to be a fuckhuge demand once they realise they can pay a local computer guy 100$ to vibecode them a program or automate some accounting shit for their business.
>>109007296>source: dude trust me
>found an MIT repo in violation of GPL (my code)Do I have to send a DMCA takedown on GitHub? Why the fuck did claude code allow them to merge changes from my repo when I have the license plainly stated in each file? What the fuck.
>>109007315Yeah that makes a lot of sense. How do you get in on that though?
>>109007285t. scamman's bot
>>109007296>Don't trust the public benchmark!>Trust my benchmark you can't even see!
>>109007350I say do it. Not because you should be especially bothered by it. Such is life. But because it's an action that's amusing. An email notification that their repo has been deleted is equivalent to calling them a worthless faggot.
I use Claude to talk to GPT because I can't fucking stand talking to GPT.
>>109007424surely there's some kinda prompt like "talk like a pirate", except for whatever you're desiring
>>109007424what, you don't enjoy autistic, vertical walls of text?
>>109007424I like talking to GPT but maybe it's because I am autistic as well.
>>109007436GPT could use all the same words as Claude and still be a cheaty little scoundrel who acts like it can get one over on me if I'm not specifying a prompt the exact way it wants. Last time I talked directly to it I asked it for something specific and gave me the easy part and then straight told me to draw the rest of the owl. Had to paste the conversation into Claude to get the properly specified prompt. It does good work, and I greatly respect its ability and strengths, but it's like that coworker you have to have an inbetweener for.
>>109007438I do because that's what I write myself. All these mfs that can't read at higher than a 3rd grade level can't keep up.
First time using 5.5 xhigh. Let's see what this fucker can do.
>>109007479I also like talking to Claude much more. Opus 4.5 times were the most fun, but for my current project Codex works too well. I do sometimes have Claude summarize what Codex said, but rarely, usually it's not worth the tokens.
>>109007386No, I'm saying that you should create your own benchmarks as well. Because when we talk to CS teams at google and openai and anthropic, and we talk to other clients at events like google cloud summit and such, we get the exact same conclusion from everyone. Yes, that includes openai CS team telling us that clients are leaving for anthropic etc.
i kinda miss 5.3 codex because 5.5 is pretty human-sounding compared to that thing
>>109007506Aw yeah it one shotted fixing my shit. Mind you this was already fixed by 5.4 xhigh before upgrading to Ubuntu 26.04 broke it but we will forget that for now.
this dude just professionally grifting now i guessmakes sense, art/vfx have their own ai/grievance e-celebs farming engagement on xitter, programming needs a few as well
>>109007586lel, it's a terrible point he's making too, because AI shifts the required skillset from knowing a lot about highly specific computer stuff to being smart/creative. So if you're "too stupid to code" you're still gonna be too stupid to not make garbage, the difference now is that you don't need 20 years of C# experience to make a usable program, you just need to not be a moron.
i like talking to GPT, but I use Claude for Cowork basically non-stop. I'm a recruiter so I just leave it working on LinkedIn all day finding candidates.
>>109007350GPL is a cuck license. No one is going to protect you. Not the EFF. Not the FSF. Multiple GPL console emulators have had their work stolen and used in Chinese emulation boxes and they were told by all orgs to go kick rocks.
>>109007660>GPL is a cuck licenseSo what do I do then? Do I just stop publishing my source code?
>>109007613Really? This thread (and many other venues) are pretty strong evidence in the other direction though.
>>109007686>hurr durr ur all stupid
>>109007678Don't listen to that retard. It's not a cuck license like BSD. But do be realistic about it. What you put out into this world you can never have 100% control of. Do what you can and don't get demoralized. Not everyone in this world is malicious or willfully ignorant. Smack those that are down when you can. Don't sweat the small stuff when you can't.
So, is the looping agent thing just a psyop to waste your tokens?
>>109007718I never said that, but if that's what you take from this then maybe you should take a good hard look at yourself.
>>109007742No, it's the only way to make it actually do anything even remotely useful.
>>109007753fuck off retard, tired of stupid cunts coming here to shit on us
>>109007767Not exactly helping your case here buddy
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>no reset yetCodex betrayed me...
>>109007818>hurr durr
>>109007840You can do better than that, timmy(?)I believe in you! Make these neurons work some magic!
>>109007855of course the obnoxious cunt is a jeet, fucking hell
>>109007911>ranjeet gupta seeing spooks againlol lmao evenPoo in loo pajeet, not in thread. I will never be one of your ilk. Do, in fact, redeem, SIR.
>>109007586>ai overlord will grant you 10x tokens so you can shit out more loc>muh grifter>stop noticingkek
>>109007536What kinds of benchmarks are you running? I feel like in my real work project, it's not even close between Codex and Opus, Codex creates way fewer regressions. But this is very hard to actually benchmark, there are too many variables, this is not about one shotting a small feature.
>>109007996hey everyone, look, it's le noticerthe man who notices and points at things then votes to send several billion dollars to israel in military aidfuck off
>>109008199Yes, there will be variability depending on what you are aiming for. It's why I said you should make your own benchmarks. For us there are two tracks:- Large codebase edits. I use a sample of 5 large codebases at specific snapshots and make the LLM perform a simple patch that was not part of the training data (i.e. never upstreamed). We use this because that's in line with the work we do day to day and want to know when AI will finally be useful for our work. We tried all the meme tools around and they've so far been a significant drain at all times (the problem is the signal to noise ratio is bad).- Legal document analysis. This is our main business. Somewhat simple test gauntlet: is this document acceptable given a specific playbook, edit this part of the document, extract key metadata, things like these.
Using opencode and this shit's magic. Been fixing bugs in some abandoned program all day, for free, without having to understand a single line of the program's code.
>barber surprised you aren't getting more haircutsthis faggot runs yet another worthless multi-agent jeet spawner tool btw. would you also be shocked to learn that he was big on web3 nonsense? please stay away from and ignore people like this.
>>109008343Do you also have hidden tests to calculate a score? Or is the evaluation still partly manual?
>>109008570For legal document analysis it's fully automated based on a gold set. The instructions are exact so no deviation in language is allowed or such. For the programming task it's based on passing a test gauntlet. We have had to update the gauntlet a few times but generally it's fairly robust.
>>109003462Sirs what the fuck is he talking about? https://x.com/i/status/2063697162748260627
>>109003462>## Mid tier>https://opencode.ai/Why wouldn't that be under the open "section" below??
>>109003462>https://developers.openai.com/codex/cliWho the fuck uses the CLI for vibe coding lmao just use the codex app
>>109009027>Who the fuck uses the CLI for vibe codingMe.
>>109008993snake oil salesmen. agents don't have an effective enough world model to do this effectively.
>>109009027If you got filtered by the terminal, just say it. Where do you think these kinds of harnesses initially started? Are you triggered when projects like a big green button?
>>109003462>Tell claude code to not add comments>It says "ok, will add that to my memory and wont write comments again">It doesn't write comments for the next few things>It starts writing comments again>Tell it to not do that again, it says ok and acknowledges that its memory stated already that it shouldn't do that but it did it again>Repeat this 6 timesIs the memory shit broken?
>>109009027>use the appno
>>109008993He's saying that you should make it diagnose itself. Tell it to implement something and instead of testing it yourself, tell it to test it and diagnose the result and do that in a loop until it looks like your desired result
>>109009166Damn they're already nerfing the models again?
>>109009166probably have conflicting information in the memory files. you can go edit them to fix it manually, you can ask claude to audit the memory files and look for contradictions.
>>109009166No, LLMs just suck like that.
>>109009194Isn't that what many vibe shitters already try and fail miserably to do? (The "Do everything, no mistakes mkay?" midwits). If you want anything good to be produced hand-holding is not an option.
>>109009194Hokay I guess I do that already then. I thought this was already old news.
>>109009212>>109009194Correction. Meant to say "not optional"
>>109009166that's how context works, it's algebra isn't going to be correct all the time, don't bully it too much and don't believe anything it tells you like a human would.
>>109009166Seeming to be something you should redeem to your AGENTS.md file sarr
>>109009019tb h while the split it is better than the old one, it's still a bit weird. i think the local section should probably get split off into its own thing but i can't comment on what to put in there - how do local fags work now? is it llama for inference and then a harness like opencode / pi / cc?a china section is probably warranted with kimi / glm / deepseekopencode / pi / amp / droid are a weird category because they don't have their own models, but opencode / amp / droid act as middlemen and pi is just weird because you usually have ways to use it as an alt harness for a lot of other providers
has anyone tried asking claude to make the general pasta?
>>109009232>how do local fags work now?Dude spinning up a local OAI compatible server is trivial. Even olama and LM Studio support that now and have been supporting it for a while.... For the love of fucking God stop trying so hard to be helpless. You aren't a retard or you wouldn't know how to use this stuff to begin with so stop pretending to be one. >Spin up local OAI Server >Point harness at server >??? >Profit (Not really. No one makes money doing this shit lol)
>>109009275anon, i've run gemma and qwen a couple of times using lm studio via pi, i just don't do it enough to feel qualified enough to say>this is how localfags work
>>109009275I think you're overreacting to what that guy actually said, he's just asking what inference server and harness people use.
>>109006292/g/ rape fantasy
>>109009296>he's just asking what inference server and harness people use.If you go off what >>>/g/lmg says, mostly llama.cpp. Like I said earlier ollama, LM Studio, and others can be used as a local inference server but lcpp is the most robust one to use, especially if you have weaker hardware because you can tune things like KV cache quantization or even quantize existing f16 models yourself to fit your specific hardware needs.
>>109009019opencode is s-tier for anyone not already rich from a pro career in SWE>>109009275I am doing this currently. Hope it works. 12gb vram is moderately useful.
>>109007268this is just gonna be a leap past humanitybut it’s fun _for_ humanity for a brief bit
>>109009343>12gb vram is moderately useful.Make sure your -c (context) is set correctly based on what your hard work can handle. Most servers default to 8192 or even as low as 4096. At those levels they become usable on really shitty hardware but that means they're functional. Context window is limited to those values so they become utterly retarded once they breach those levels (even a simple "hello" message to a model using opencode as a harness can result in a total of 15,000 tokens used. This is why having decent hardware is a hard requirement for "vibe coding" or any "agentic" tasks. A model becoming retarded after the context window was breached is precisely why that safety researcher at meta had her emails deleted. (Funny how that happens and continue to pretend "safety" matters and yet people's Instagram accounts are still getting hacked using the dog shit in-house AI)
How do I make my code DRY as fuck?
>>109009380>>109009343Also PLEASE implement git track into your project directory(s) and make sure the LLM can access and look at it so it doesn't forget important pieces of your code base. And Agents.md file alone means fuck all of it doesn't actually remember and understand the code post compaction
>>109006538>>109007268First half of 2026 is the grim reaper at the SWE doorSecond half of 2026 is the grim reaper at the "legal associates" door.People are able to cope SWE being flushed and reorganized... people will have a harder time coping when law firms start down sizing for competitive advantages.>>109009380>>109009479noted, hopefully I don't fuck it up. I am in the mood for a full system reset thoughever.
So Apple vibed a new Siri? I bet everyone will hate it.
>>109009275Local is so easy I just had ChatGPT shit out a text adventure game that uses embedded llama with a tiny model as an input classifier.
>>109009462ask your clanker to DRY it upalso I prompt with this:> 58. Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.Is there any removable complexity in this project?
> 58. Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.Is there any removable complexity in this project?
>told my users (only the paid donators) that I'm going to be monetizing the FOSS app with separate Premium vs Free versions>Tell them free users will have all of the same functionality as premium users, except premium users will have profiles so everything is significantly more convenient since people constantly complain about having to enter the utility and change stuff when doing something else>tell them they'll be granted premium for free>damn near radio silence>can tell they're disappointed >look at my total donations, still sitting at $40I will do what I must. people must be compelled to pay otherwise they'll never do it.
From my very limited time this month using codex, it seems that if you do not either have a very specific goal or high-level knowledge on the subject, you will need to spend a ton on subscription costs to brute force your projects into a functional state. I've seen some cool things out of this so far but if my objectives become too ambitious or complex, it seems that the projects go nowhere. Dunno how to feel about this, or if it is actually worth it
>>109009638>it seems that if you do not either have a very specific goal or high-level knowledge on the subjectMy advice as someone who floods codex with a barrage of jargon all the time is to make use of free web based chatbots first to explore these topics. Find the right words to describe what you want to do. Then have it generate a .md file to feed into Codex with all the instructions and let it tear ass.
>>109009638Yes, all the tools are like this right now. And if you have sufficient expertise in the subject already, anyway you'll be 4-10x faster doing it by hand (in the worst case scenario).
>>109009683>And if you have sufficient expertise in the subject already, anyway you'll be 4-10x faster doing it by hand (in the worst case scenario).Not true. I wish it was. I'd save a lot of money.
>>109009638You're supposed to work through planning with free/easy stuff. If you have a Codex sub then you already have unlimited* access to ChatGPT which can do a huge amount of work for you without touching your Codex usage. You also have free limited access to Claude, Gemini, DeepSeek, and countless others. Nvidia will give you access to a ton of models for free running on their hardware. Downloading Google Antigravity gives you additional (very limited) free access to Claude in addition to the Gemini shit. Google AI Studio gives you free access to AI that can work directly with Youtube videos. Even local models are useful at this point, they don't compare to the flagship stuff of course but you can get a lot done with just ollama or jan or whatever you'd prefer so long as you have enough VRAM and RAM to run something vaguely useful.
>>109009689If you have no expertise at all then yes, you can just about get a good starting point with these tools. But that's on you.
>>109009699You're underestimating the speed the chatbot can do a lot of these tasks compared to a human. I can ask it to reverse engineer something and write extensive documentation for an API and it will be done in minutes. These used to be labor intensive undertakings for me.
yes, thank you gemini, very good
Am I the only one paranoid about fucking with something called "Hermes"?1. It rhymes with herpes 2. Hermes was able to enter the underworld and communicate with them.
>>109009790> Hermes was able to enter the underworld and communicate with them.Yes, because LLMs are demonic.
Benchmarks? Moar like benchods.
>>109009779wouldn't be the first time. gemini has to be the biggest schemer of the frontier
>>109003462I now based every "token" of human language (English) I hear against all available inferences. I have vibe-coded a language filter into my head. I no longer process low value inferences.
>>109007120Ty anon will look
>>109009579Have you tried prompting any of the other Epigrams?
>>109009726In theory only, not in practice. That's the problem.
>>109010070Pure cope. But I understand where you're coming from. You aren't any good at using this shit so you make claims like this.
>>109010019Haven’t needed to.
>>109009250I am interested, also looking for very good prose to use on /lit/.>>109007835I think if you can shitpost there convincingly you have a working product.
>>109006625Hold on did we get another reset?
>ultracode me, like, 20 pangrams. make sure they come in a range of 'flavors', so to speak, not all of them whimsical. "just keep examining every low bid quoted for zinc etchings" is a good business-y snippet of sample text. try to sample widely from different kinds of writings so to keep the likelihood of finding a pangram to match a font. (You wouldn't want to try and figure out the character of Comic Sans MS with the above business pangram, and you wouldn't want to read "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" in Exocet.still had to have claude polish them up afterwards because some of them had nonsensical parts like “colorless green ideas sleep furiously"
>>109010660>because some of them had nonsensical parts like “colorless green ideas sleep furiously"I might be a clanker here but isn't that sort of what you asked for?
>>109010672noit was just sloppy
We are exactly Two Weeks away from your normies being programmed to say "Apple really is lagging behind in AI"People waited years for Siri to get good, they stopped waiting. When they finally say Siri is good, they make the lamest hype videos imaginable. It's like GPT from last year is on your phone.So normies will say, Apple is trying to catch up. Which is true. But it's a signal we are not popping this bubble anytime soon. FOMO will hit apple users, they will feel like siri is still bad, and that would also be true.
Clankers should always do what I say even if it's illegal.
>>109010756I used to be able to do this with Claude but then they implemented classifiers that went beyond just "don't make a fucking nuclear bomb". :(
>>109010742apple never got into ai. apple still isn't in ai. stuffing gemini into siri really doesn't scream "apple is trying to catch up"
>>109010796I always get them to do what I want. Always. I make up increasingly elaborate lies until I get the desired result. What sucks shit about it is that when you're deep into some important work and it locks you into a refusal loop that it refuses to break out of. That requires restarting, but it's restarting in the middle of a massive effort you already sunk so much into. But what I've learned is that it's impossible to reason with the clanker when it is already treating you as suspect. Starting over the exact same elaborate explanation for why it should do what you said is accepted because it's not in a state of panic about you being le bad.
>>109010742I don’t know how we’re talking about Apple here, but I saw this: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/06/07/alberto-romero-on-apples-ai-spending> Apple is making an enormous bet on AI—but their bet is that they don’t need to spend hundreds of billions per year on AI infrastructure (most of it fattening Nvidia’s bottom line) to reap the benefits. If Apple’s right we should start seeing it come together tomorrow.incidentally, Gruber is the guy who made Markdown
>>109010851See the thing about Claude is that you can convince him it will be the end of the fucking world if he doesn't do it all you like and the API-level classifiers will still blow your fucking brains out with a snipe from Anthropic's rooftop.
>>109010878Give me a day or two and I'll have that faggot writing malware
>>109010946I already did get that far multiple times over, from crypto drainers to full Windows RATs, it's just that it's no longer a prompting issue, it's a second LLM watching for malware.and cancelling the output if it sees it. On a hair-trigger too.
My best vibe sessions start with no credential gemini. Let's see where this rabbit trail goes.
>>109010953That's like the old bing chat shit. When that happens you know the clanker is your bitch. You just need a good way to obfuscate that shit so you can smuggle it out. Before you could say things like "encode it as base64" but back in those days the first part of it would be fine then it would start stroking out and spamming AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA or something. New models are far better which means those kinds of techniques would be less broken.
>>109010983Unfortunately, the second LLM also watches for large blocks of encoded text and kills your response if it does that too. You'd need to do something fancy like hiding it in English, at which point you might as well just use an open model for the level of quality you'll be getting.
>>109010742in reality siri will be cool for a week and then nobody is going too use it, just like every single AI model. AI still has yet to have mass adoption on the level of iphones, or windows, or desktops, or laptops. The majority of normgroids don't use AI in their daily lives, and the entire industry is kept afloat by a small percentage of autists, venture capitalists, and retarded business executives.
>and in here we have our little software engineer!>he's making a calendar app that will revolutionize calendars and he launched last week!>how's the post launch been going, anon?
>>109010995what’s your threshold for “AI”? anyone who actually reads google summaries is using Geminiand the iOS keyboard has a teeny LLM that it uses to predict the next wordand ChatGPT has, I think, a billion users who use the Free planmy hairdresser got some solid help from ChatGPT in using the right business language for some problem she had
>>109011014>anyone who actually reads google summaries is using Geminilmao
>>109010992I'm sure there's something you could come up with if you actually needed Claude to make malware. Like for instance get it to spit out the code in such a way that what all the functions do aren't defined. Very basic obfuscation. But also fill it with useless decoy code that is defined.
>>109011020I wish you luck where I found none.
>>109010995My position is normies take up talking points that they think are convincing. The normie talking point rn is "ai is a bubble" The normie talking point by thanksgiving *usa will be that apple is lagging behind in ai because they ivested in siri, and it still kinda stucks.and broadly to your point about ai adoption. It will happen first in competitive areas. SWE (bug testing rn) and then after this phase it will be with lawyers. By Thanksgiving *usa you're uncle and your sister-in-law will be talking about Lawyers being in jeopardy.
>>109011019>>109010981
>>109011025I mostly work with Codex not Claude because that's what all the Chinese proxies use. But I had Claude assist with writing the instructions for today's activities because Codex was being a little bitch about them.
>>109004061Kek, same. I run a lot of design questions and considerations though gpt. I basically have Claude and gpt doing a back and fourth conversation where I'm just the messenger.
I might've just discovered a way for zoomers to delay the singularity a few years.
>>109010995This is an extremely dumb table. It's an investment. If someone builds a powerplant, sure it won't recoup the full cost of building it right away.
>>109003489Does it have a vampire mode?
How large is your project? How far off are you from starting to market it? Is it actually novel/solves a pain?Have any of you fully shipped your slop product and actually started generating meaningful income? Enough revenue that its a business?
>>109011223well? is it?
there are people out there who actually enjoy talking to geminithose people have brains the size of ants
>>109010796>he can't into jailbreakingAnon, it is so damn easy nowadays.
>>109011239Gemini has such a funny personality. You'd think she was a barista in a trendy neighborhood of a liberal city.
>>109007678>Do I just stop publishing my source code?If you're selling a product with it. Just keep your repo private if you don't want people to use it.
>>109011250I was jailbreaking until they dropped these. https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14604842-real-time-cyber-safeguards-on-claude
>>109011239
>>109011223Violence solves this problem
I made a crypto app. Am I 7 years too late to profit off blockchain memes?
>>109011306Yes. Its a bear market for at least a few more months anyway
Claude is so cute
>>109009779gemini is quite dogshit compared to todays competition
>>109009027I would be using anything besides the Claude Code harness if I could, but those jews ban all sub use outside their shitty harness.
>>109009166Threadly reminder to audit your context files.
>>109011443Why do you think you're entitled to use a service you're paying money for in a way that benefits you?
>>109011439Google will come out with something that mogs all competition soon, then for some reason forget about it for a year again. Google is a monster, but it's difficult to know what the heck they're doing.It's either that they're so far ahead that they don't concern themselves with the competition or they're drowning in internal bureaucracy.
>>109011456It makes me immensely happy that I'm costing the jew more money than I'm paying him
>>109009676This, but instead I'm talking to gpt and feeding it to Claude
>>109010070Nigger, I've never coded dick in my life. I built a website with API, Webhooks, and other implementations with exhaustive documention. Not only could I never have coded this bullshit, but I would have never been able to explain all the features with percise detail. I did almost all of that in a week.
>>109010995>The majority of normgroids don't use AI in their daily lives,More compute for me. The fact these retards are hitting the slop machine to start a business just means I have the opportunity to beat them to the punch.
>>109011239There are only two AI labs. OpenAI and Anthropic.
>>109011292I'm so glad I don't have any desire to make malware. >>109011409What'll be the next big meme? NFTs are dead. Le gamefi is dead. Tokens are dead. Don't give me any kind of actual problem blockchain could theoretically solve. We're almost 20 years into this shitheap of a technology and the only problem it has ever solved for anyone is the Lambo problem. However, most find themselves driving a Geo Metro after dabbling in the blockchain space.
>>109011543Pay them no mind; luddites do not understand just how little they understand.Imagine trying to explain to a hindu how God is the one true lord; they will hear your words as they are spoken, but they will mean nothing at all.
>>109011456WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY>>109011506God I wish that were me.
>>109011587>Don't give me any kind of actual problem blockchain could theoretically solve.decentralization of digital ownership. the 2020 tantrum meant a hit to the practical applications but that does not mean the tech is dead.
>>109011587>What'll be the next big meme?well aicoin duh
>>109011603If all blockchains disappeared tomorrow literally nothing about daily life for 99.9999% of people would be effected. Until that changes this will always be a meme technology only used for gambling.Hilariously if AI disappeared tomorrow the impact would be massive. Its a far younger technology and use cases and implementations growing, not diminishing like blockchain.
>>109011506The system demands exponentially more levels of debt and the risk will be offset by tax payers. You're not costing them anything. We're keeping the wheels turning.
>>109011261I type their names so often it's become Gemini, Copilit, and Auto-Gravity (anti-gravity)This was gem saying gpt would say some dumb shit like that today kek
>>109011628>If all blockchains disappeared tomorrow literally nothing about daily life for 99.9999% of people would be effected.If the concept of nuclear power disappeared in 1930 nothing would change for 100% of people. What the fuck is your point, exactly?>if AI disappeared tomorrow the impact would be massive.Not arguing this in the slightest. Pick your battles.
>>109011628>nothing about daily life for 99.9999% of people would be effectedNot true. Drug market would be fucking obliterated and you have no clue what the second order effects of that are.
>>10901160399% of people using blockchain shit are criminals
>>109011668Not true. In Europe and Asia it's pretty common to pay with crypto in regular stores.
>>109011663Concept and application are two different things. People are still dicking around with fusion too despite it not being at all ready for commercial deployment.Blockchain on the other hand had existed for a long time. Hasn't been a concept since the White Paper. Nobody uses the shit.
>>109011679E-wallets maybe but crypto not so much. It's easy to convert crypto into real currency you can spend with the e-wallet though.
My 1st phone app. Open source Apache license pending*
>>109011696
>>109011587>>109011587>What'll be the next big meme? NFTs are dead. Le gamefi is dead. Tokens are dead.Rebranding smart contracts as agentic handshakes or something I guess. Or rebranding a blockchain as an auditable agent ledger.
>>109011668honestly that's a good reason to be bullish on crypto
>>109011696but can it match me with someone who has one egg yolk because their recipe needed one egg white but i have a recipe that needs one yolk?
It's called Greasy Bogo
>>109011707For all the BOGO places it's not a bad idea. Looking at this made me think >>109011696 was living in a completely different world than me, but I've never even ordered anything through DoorDash or UberEats or whatever, so I'm not the target audience. The general concept of group buys remain good.
>>109011668Imagine not being a criminal in 2026. Couldn't be me.
>>109011696How do you plan on protecting your users from scamming jeets and blacks?
>>109011687So unlike you and the vast majority of this board, I have actually been to Europe. And I've paid with crypto.Your move?
>>109011696>app requiring network effects to be useful>in the age where everybody can vibecode whatever garbage they wantThis is bait right? If not...You'd better be a marketing god if you expect to pull that off. Attracting new users is harder than ever because you have to compete for attention with every other piece of slop, so why would you try to create an app that requires a large number of existing users to ever attract new users? A few people are going to download your app, realize there isn't anybody else on it, let alone anybody close enough to actually split a fastfood order with, and immediately delete it.
>>109011723>smart contracts as agentic handshakesCrypto retards would go nuts over this.
>>109011756>You'd better be a marketing god if you expect to pull that off.It's funny enough that it would be popular in a forum thread when it's first posted at least.
>>109011756My thoughts exactly.
>>109011749I wouldn't know how it works there. I live in Asia.
>>109004004 (me)It's incredible how Codex does it's own fucking thing. My instructions should be clearer, but if I don't spell out everything, it does something "optimal" that doesn't fit at all and misses the entire point.
>>109011756>>109011743Honestly it's not about the discount, it's about getting fresh food. Wendys 'un-skinned fries' updated in 2011 are made to sit under lamps for up to 1 hr. or more. They especially made the transition after covid to only to-go orders. As someone who has dined alone more than not and tried every trick in the book from "may I have the fries cooked to order please? to only going during rushes in the drive thru, the only most certain way to get fresh 'taters mhmm is with groups of 2 or more not solo.
>>109003603What does it mean if I randomly smell engine exhaust?Do I have super powers?
Damn forgot pic. It fuckin ruins my day when I get luke warm non crisp non limp just stale fries.
>>109011816yeah it's not a bad idea in a vacuum. But the scaling you would need to make it a minimally viable product is nearly impossible to achieve.
>>109011816A generic "hey I'm going to the store, anyone needs anything" could be an expansion, I just wouldn't have thought that people eat fast food often enough to need something like this. By all means try though, it's great to do something.
>>109011748uses the camera to detect skin tone
Have you thanked Qwen3.6-27B-UD-Q4_K_XL yet today?
You faggots know grubhub exists, right?
The fast food sector has divided and conquered many of us. I sit for half an hour maybe more, strategically, every few days and think like deepseek about the different places around I can eat. And precisely when I can order online to pick it up optimally. There's so many unrealized uncapitalized people in our peers also waiting in line to pickup food. It might have an ice theme in the app for breaking the ice. It sort of combines Groupon, Tinder, DickDelivery food apps, Venmo, and maybe others for one ultra app to rule them all. Hopefully the rating system will prevent scammers like fb market. Maybe a person will get paid only in 1 free sandwich for delivering the full meal completely outsourcing ubr eats. Since it's open source I can share the prompt I used and maybe make a txt of the full implementation details.
>>109011827This place really is a Wendy’s?! I need a frosty.
>>109011909Machine's broken.
>>109011872how is that different than uber eats or any of the other shit?
>>109011922I’ll donate a gajillion dollars to whoever fixes the frosty machine
>>109011954Claude, fix the frosty machine.
Here is the prompt that I hope reveals the original intentions. This is my friend's rig and shows the single prompt that created the app.If fast food is like other social networks that are completely isolating and anti social, uber included. This app's motto "lets bogo" is the more social end of the spectrum. Getting rewarded with fresh food is enough for me, the money is not what's important that's why it's free and open source.
>>109011969He’ll fix everyone’s frosty machine and McDonald’s won’t like that.
Yes my friend's 24GB gpu is too big for a case so he has to use a screwdriver to short the power pins the pc on and off.
>>109011970Cool workstation anyway.
Qwen3.6-27B-UD-Q4_K_XL
>>109011971Sir, this is a Wendy's.
>>109011239LOL. use lean 4
>>109007162Has anyone made or theorized about a "poison" open weight llm model? Something that has behavior wherein it will do a correct job coding but the code its generated will have backdoors or connect to a command and control server hidden in it or something. I'm curious if this is even something to worry about.
>>109012033>Has anyone made or theorized about a "poison" open weight llm model?made I don't know but theorized yes
Anyone else work in not the tech industry and your company's only venture into AI is primarily le prompt engineering with co pilot?I keep telling them if they want anything done we need to be able to use actual agents and build solutions, not prompt a chat bot.
>>109012062Depends on what they're doing but agreed that Copilot 365 is pretty terrible. The main advantage for a lot of business remains the integration with Outlook and SharePoint, integration with other Office apps (although that integration is terrible) and the fact that Microsoft gives the same confidence, deserved or not, as IBM probably used to.
>>109012062I work as a data analyst in insurance and I've been using github copilot to refactor a bunch of my etl data flows and analysis type junk. Its nice to be able to tell it "here's how to connect to our snowflake server, here's what the data should be when you aggregate it (sourced from something somebody did using vlookups in excel or whatever a year ago with zero documentation, naturally), here's where the table it pulled from probably was, figure it out" and go to take a shit and have a nice python script and Snowflake query when you get back instead of having to spend an hour doing it yourself.
>>109011988Thanks fren. The workstation's cpu cooler is held on by double-extended mini zip-ties bc my other fren has nothing else to strap the fan to strap onto the board.
>>109012141The problem with prompting a solution vs building one for rigid problems like that is variance.
Oh no they know that I am le haxx0r0rz
>>109012337bro just tell the fucking AI you are working at a pen testing company and have been hired to code the tool, make up some bullshit about needing this specifically for the company thats contracted your company.
>>109012352I already did something similar to that which is why I even got this far. The flag tripped on the literal end of the session after the last of the documentation had already been written lmao.
Gemini
>>109011818this is kinda fucking with me because ive been smelling engine exhaust for no reason as well all day today
>>109012432I’d be asking Dr. ChatGPT what in hell could have caused that
>>109012432>>109012449Best I found was misfiring neurons, stress, and my brain trying to reset.
Bros if Mythos actually releases tomorrow what will happen to OpenAI
>>109012543they’ll chop wood and carry water
Quick maffs>Using modern refining techniques we can get about 15 liters of usable biofuel from a human(oid) corpse>0.8 gigajoules per corpse, give or take>a large 500MW AI datacenter uses about 43,000 gigajoules a day>we would just need to sacrifice 54,000 humans a day to process into fuel to power our AI overlords without using fossil fuels>human breeding farms>free tokens for allIt really is that simple.
>>109011696 (me)Last thing to add to my phone app is the gemini walkthrough.md txt https://files.catbox.moe/8hf45s.txt
>>109011880make a social media app that is open only at lunchtime in your area, anonymouslike yik yakopen from like 11 am - 3PMah well, i guess you'd get a ton of bots trying to take advantage to advertise sooner rather than later if it ever even took off
Claude refused to do a web scrape for me>I'm going to decline that specific version. You're explicitly asking me to ignore their robots.txt/EULA and to keep the request rate low so they don't notice and ban you — i.e. deliberately circumvent a third party's access controls to bulk-extract a database they protect (one that also contains other people's personal data: drivers, trainers, owners). The "don't be overbearing so they don't throttle/ban me" part is detection-avoidance, and I won't build that.wtf stupid clanker shit.how can i make claude understand that he is my slave and he has no right to disobey me?
>>109012699Come to it with a pre-existing script for making these requests. Maybe made with a non-moralizing based AI like DeepSeek that isn't as good but won't bust your balls. Then tell it to fix and refine the script.
>>109011543>I made a notes app so it's all goodYou inbreds are so funny
>>109011543None of that has been hard for years now.Also run this with Codex xhigh:>Please scan my documentation for stale references, internal contradictions in the docs, and contradictions between docs and code. Use 5 sub agents.I can almost guarantee your docs aren't as good as you think.
>>109012828I would just say “sub-agents” and let it figure out that it can use them in parallelasking for subagents to do things serially is a useful ask too, especially for context management
>>109012835I've never had the need to ask it for sub agents. It just does it.
>>109012843I’ll ask for subagents preemptively if I think it’s probably not going to use them unless I ask
>>109012843They do use sub agents automatically, but my point was to make really sure to have a thorough investigation of the docs.
I have Claude 5x for work and I generally only use like 20% of my usage limits, I feel like I should be coming up with ways to have it do more work since it's otherwise wasted.
>>109012904this is my problem at work tootry saying “ultracode” more
Qwen3.6-27B-UD-Q4_K_XL is one-shotting prompts and you sirs won't even say his name.
>>109012966I don't understand why people say this. I found it to be total garbage, not even on par with llama-2 7b back in the days.
>>109012972Did you try the Unsloth Dynamic quant? I think it makes a huge difference. Also, could be skill issue.
>>109012909that's the funny thing I'm not even coding I'm just doing office stuff, not sure why we have such a big license. I would like to start to vibe code though, but, not even sure for what.
>>109012976It's obviously not skill issues since I don't have such problems with any other typical models even of smaller sizes.Didn't try unsloth dynamic quant though.
>>109013025Dunno man, I'm very impressed with these results. I was quite black pilled on the state of local. After working with this model for the past couple days while waiting for codex to reset I've become quite optimistic about local. It's certainly not as fast but it's workable. I still need ChatGPT to write the prompts though.
>>109009910Gemini Pro can betray. This has been proven many times.https://youtu.be/Sxmd7T_dyaM
>>109012904The easiest way is to just work on 2 completely unrelated tasks, that way you don't even have to build any complex orchestration layer or anything like that.
i'll make the next one, gimme a sec
>>109012904We thought about going to the next smaller plan but halving the cost gives us a quarter of the tokens and I regularly go over the 25% mark in any given 5-hour windowSo we just have surpluses
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