More like autism awareness edition.

Techs are stored in autism.

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New happy meal toy.

>show me color!!

>>109190637
I always wondered whos behind Harmonic Empire

>>109190696
Tangzu I think.

>>109190608
Why is epz g10 so fucking retarded bros

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>>109190699
they certainly have a look to them

need a suggestion for running airpods since i lost my old ones. need noise cancellation

Still can't pick a good portable CD player.

>>109191196
Sometimes there's simply no good option and you gotta rethink your strategy.

The best CD player is actually your 15 year old thinkpad

Bluetoddlers btfo
https://youtu.be/H7u2VfUZyV0

>>109191635
everyone should start randomly saying how shitty the CCP is or that Xi is a retarded asshole when their tws are connected to their phones or whatever. see if they can remotely detonate the batteries.

>budget pos mogged by tinhifi yet 0 mentions in this general
https://youtu.be/6dv-iH6Vb8U

>T2 default rec everyone had for a decade
>C2 campfire audio but better
>C0 bullet neutral endgame
tin, i kneel...

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>>109190608
does precog realize that he can recreate what he's hearing with a twenty dollar bill and a touch of equalization or is he playing dumb and taking subtonic and mysticraft money? either way i lost all respect for him after this video. always found him reasonable but this is far beyond the pale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qS_yXm8N5s

>>109193153
you're making a much stronger claim than precog is, so the burden of proof is on you.

>>109193357
His burden of proof is $20 but precog's is $6000, I know that lot of people who heard the $6000 set say they are the best but let's not forget they are often from the same clique, in that circle, glowing reviews and high clout means free review units, that's some huge conflict of interest.
That $20 poverty anon does not have the same burden, he doesn't gain anything by proving his point.

>>109193357
That's not a claim, that's a well established fact that's been known for like 10 years. Validation of a Virtual In-ear Headphone Listening Test Method.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8ucNw-iWa4

>>109193454
starting from whether a claim needs evidence and switching it to who is making it and what incentives they have really doesn't address the issue.
>He doesn't gain anything by proving his point.
whether someone profits or gets some attention, or gains anything else is irrelevant. a conflict of interest is a good reason to scrutinize anon's wild take. that's not evidence that they're wrong and it doesn't lower the burden of proof for someone making an equal or more bullshit counterclaim.
if someone says a $20 IEM plus EQ can recreate a $6k pos, that's an obviously wild thing to say regardless of whether they're anonymous or a reviewer..you and I both know that nobody serious is making those claims in 2026 and this general is the only place on the internet where someone will die on that hill, so good luck defending that one anon.

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>>109193595
Reviewers and consumers are not serious people. Actual serious people know this is obvious.

just a reminder that the ja-11 btfo's the jiezi if you dont need >5 parameters for eq (which you dont imo)

>>109193645
you're reading too far into that blurb than it says. it doesn't establish that reviewers are unreliable or that anons making big claims deserve a lower burden of proof.
'trained listeners' aren't the only serious people and even if reviewers perform worse than Harman software-trained listeners in those tests, it doesn't magically validate the claim that a $20 pos plus EQ can recreate a $6K pos.
you're still skipping the part where that gets demonstrated.
>consumers are not serious people.
this includes you, by the way. your perception as being on top of it all grants you 0 credibility as an anon, no matter how obnoxious and pissy you get each time you're challenged.

>>109193776
>you're still skipping the part where that gets demonstrated.
You genuinely have a memory of a goldfish. >>109193484
Not a serious person.

Recs for a DAP that will do last.fm scrobbling and has good build quality? I fell for the Hifi Walker meme and the 3.5mm jack is already fucked after 3 months. I wouldn't mind but I'm very careful with my tech and don't mistreat it. I don't even remove my iems from the jack if I don't need to, and I'm gentle when I do. For reference this was an upgrade from a Sansa e200 which no joke lasted me like a decade. Happy to spend more than entry level budget since I'm a moderate-heavy user (6-8 hours/day).

>>109193782
you still have the weakest argument here, including the gall to mention "serious" people in the same conversation.
you're conflating
>"this paper validates a testing method"
with
>"this paper proves my conclusion."
those aren't the same thing. show ANY AES or Sean Olive paper or an excerpt of Toole's book where it actually concludes that a $20 IEM plus EQ is audibly equivalent to a $6,000 IEM and I'll concede. until then, I accept your concession.

>>109193848
Read the paper instead of the title of the paper. The paper validates my conclusion.
>inb4 it must verbatim include that specific $6000 IEM, a $6001 IEM doesn't count
A caricature of a person.

>EQing IEM to another IEM
What is this, 2020? EQ properly.

any audio pedophiles have recommendations for lower end headphones similar to samson sr850s? Mine are on the fritz

>>109194069
superlux HD681

>>109193892
nta but how exactly does it prove that a cheap iem can sound identical to another? i'm reading this for the first time but they seem to have set out to validate whether the method reproduced their evaluations and preferences, not whether they were indistinguishable or equivalent

>>109194147
A distinction without a difference. Most people fail even to distinguish an IEM from itself. A score is more meaningful.

>>109194147
nta, but their entire understanding of audio reproduction is, "FR=everything" and "learn to EQ properly" lol
they can't tell you the difference between engineering limits, tuning choices or audio mix cues baked in the recording, because they mistakenly reduce it all down to FR alone.

>>109194178
that's your interpretation, the paper does not make that argument

>>109194228
>IEMs are mixing music now
Real retard hours.

Engineering limits are not in the FR, IR, CSD, and THD btw. Nobody knows where they are, not even the engineers. There just are limits, okay?

got my first iem's oh my god
so much better than flathead headphones wtf

>>109194248
I've actually deciphered his thinking, it's what happens when dogma clashes with real life. His dogma is FR is just tonality and can't affect spatial cues. His reality is that different IEMs do present spatial cues differently. Instead of realizing that FR can in fact affect them(he doesn't know how to EQ) he made up a whole conspiracy of OEMs hiding proprietary measurements, everybody faking CSD graphs after EQ, etc.

>>109194248
>>109194266
>>109194446
samefagging again.

>>109194248
nobody said that, you dolt.
>>109194446
>can't affect spatial cues
I never said that.
>FR can in fact affect them
coloration skews what's baked in the audio mix, yes. the less coloration, the closer to the intended mix you get.
>everybody faking CSD graphs after EQ, etc.
no. YOU did.

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foxzo really believes this can be done with eq, when it fact, it's just convolution in REW and isn't actually affecting "physical driver behavior".
friendly reminder, she is FtM, seriously.
anything else schizo?

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>>109194498
This was done with EQ and other people did this as well. You can see by the noise floor that it was measured again with EQ applied.

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>inb4 more schizo posting "evidence"
"look! I fucked around in REW and matched everything perfectly like a real engineer!"
fuck up outta here, you're done :)

>>109194516
>it was measured again with EQ applied.
>dogme
don't use my words, fucko. you don't know shit about fuck

>>109194519
>>109194524
>look, I'm coping by calling everything fake!

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>match everything in REW perfectly
>just fuck this part up for no reason :)

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That's fake too, just with better graphics.

and now we're full circle. she finally admits you can EQ a cheapo IEM to a TOTL IEM and get the same results, technicalities included.

I was wondering how long it would take for her to get to this part, spending the better half of this thread trying to argue exactly what she's denying now.
>>109193153
the start of her delusion
>>109194516
the total contradiction of it all.
you owe /iemg/ an apology

I want my money back

>>109194558
Did you use gpt-2 to write this. Just a complete lack of understanding of who said what.

>>109194586
you still wanna argue? you're your own worst enemy

>>109194602
>the beginning: you can eq pos to kilopos
>the middle: you can eq pos to kilopos
>the end: you can eq pos to kilopos
Yet you hallucinated some kind of contradiction, what is even there to argue about, you can't read.

>>109194482
"Coloration" is doing the heavy lifting here. Normal people think it's FR. You don't think and don't mean that it's just FR. You mean that there's magical color dust in the driver too.

Does REW come with a readme file that explains how to use it??

>>109194713
Yeah. But you still actually need to know what you want to do.

>>109194737
I'm want DSP convolution and pretending the visualisation it shows me after tinkering is the actual measured effect. I love both delusions and illusions

>>109194769
Holy ESL

don't tell me he doesn't know APO has convolver...

>>109194781
foxzo is ESL. I'm not. Toodles.

I bet foxzo is a way prettier woman than she is a handsome man. Someone should send her some flowers and a box of chocolates

>>109194798
Third, fourth, whatever, I had a stroke reading that.

>>109195061
that's how it goes down in the looney bin of audio

>>109193595
>claim needs evidence
evidence are
everything = FR and IEMs = minimum phase devices
6k pos does nothing $20 can't do
also price does not correlate with audio quality
that's simple facts.
also
>>109193153
this dude has no idea what the fuck he's talking about

I've been looking for an upgrade from my Hexa and the Aful Performer 5+2 looks decent. Anyone own them here? If so, how are the upper mids and treble. They also look kinda chunky

>>109195518
>how are the upper mids and treble
up to individual

>>109195443
>6k pos does nothing $20 can't do
the market would be flipped on its ass upside down in total shambles with every consumer verifying this if a $20 pos replayed well-mixed audio as well as a high-end pos with quality, well-implemented drivers.
>also price does not correlate with audio quality.
half true and not nearly as simple as you say.

sigh.

>>109195522
well shiet. i always tried to eq treble and fail

What's the current status of chi-fi DSP? I just checked the Topping DX1 II thread on ASR and it's full of bugs

>>109195526
The market has audiophile rocks and magical door stoppers.
If you still believe that the market is a rational, logical entity that is dictated by reason, optimization, and quality, you are either 8 or are under someone's care due to mental disabilities.
There is also 0 correlation between sound quality and price, shown numerous times. Even bullshit like MDAQS, which benefits the average joe consumer with 0 electromechanical engineering background, shows there is no correlation.

>>109195550
why would you want anything china makes when free eq is the most accurate
https://youtu.be/deIFCnfRPOs?si=mIYWac3h-8M0sFhz&t=624

>>109195556
>There is also 0 correlation between sound quality and price.
either bait or cope because it is half true. some kilobuck pos sound like a thousand bucks more than $20. I don't know why you are vehemently against that.

A good way to gauge a brands competency is to see how well engineered their 1DD is.

>>109195526
>the market would be flipped
it already was
>every consumer
every consumer can't do shit because of skill issue.
>high-end pos with quality, well-implemented drivers
you don't even know what that means
>half true and not nearly as simple as you say.
yes it is as simple

>>109195572
if they're their own OEM, this is a nice place to start.
thanks anon. mild sanity is maximum exhilaration sometimes

>>109195577
>it already was
let's talk about it.
>every consumer can't do shit because of skill issue.
false.
>you don't even know what that means
false. you're still rage baiting.

>>109195571
Take this from someone who's attended dozens of Canjams, you don't know anything because you are too emotionally invested in a hobby and are trying to tie this experience into the objective side of things.
Calm down, go back to listening to your pos, and stop bothering trying to argue with anons that know more, understand more, experienced more, and are toying with you.
>>109195572
Apple is amazing as expected.

EPZ Q1 Pro
Extremely low distortion 1DD from precise R&D and manufacturing processes
Renowned OEM trusted by worldwide audio brands such as CrinEar, Shozy, etc.
crazy how fox iem won from the start

>>109195595
Literally just a regular ass OTS driver, nothing special.
You know what's special? Customization and shell shape.

>>109195590
>>109195595
>Take this from someone who's attended dozens of Canjams.
larp and samefag more. I remember one thread where an "audio engineer" was in here trying to argue with me and got demolished. that larp didn't last, because they would've kept at it thread after thread trying to prove themselves and they never came back.
this is some sick shit, honestly.

>>109195535
EQ out length modes and peaks then use shelf until it sounds natural

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>makes a perfect minimum phase device
>make it $5
>watch troons seething

>>109195619
kz dynamic drivers have huge distortion anomaliess at 1khz.

>>109195625
>quotes ASR
>shits on people quoting ASR

>>109195611
Nobody could ever get demolished by a retard like you, sorry. You can barely read and respond, maybe ask your caregiver to think of an argument you can use?
At least then your posts will actually make sense instead of being an ESL Headfi AI dumpster.

>>109195571
anything can sound like anything
anatomical differences, insertion depth and acoustic impendence will change tuning of IEM significantly

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there's nothing to quote, it's an objective measurement.

>>109195632
you think you have something to prove but since you can't have a conversation and concede on jack shit and turn to being a giant meanie face, this is proof of your delusion and megalomania. you never let up and it's oh, so tiresome.
>ESL Headfi AI dumpster.
nigga, you're actual ESL and not even identifying as your real gender. neuroticism is an illness ya know

>>109195640
>crossover distortion from 3DDs
saar, edc pro is 1DD

>>109195644
You can't even read a graph and say everything is fake, get a grip lol.

>>109195647
I know how to converse and inquire. You are an absolutist and still full of shit. Grueling

anon posting ASR graphs will shit on everyone else mentioning ASR.
looks like the shoe is on the other foot.

>>109195588
>let's talk about it.
we already did a thousands time. market was flipped when chinks started shitting out harman tuned $20 1DDs.
bunch of boutiques selling 6-10k pos is not MARKET. retard
>false.
are you retarded? you need to EQ which consumers literally have no idea how to do.
>false. you're still rage baiting.
no it's not false. you are fucking stupid and don't know what "well-implemented" or "quality" drivers are. you simply do not.

>>109195572
and how do you do that exactly?

>driver quality matters
>no it's not CSD
>no it's not distortion
>no it's not impulse response
>no it's not phase
>bro it's driver quality bro, think of the R&D needed bro
driver quality retards don't even know what they believe in, how sad

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>edc pro thd is super low
https://huihifi.com/evaluation/0d9e2f3c-5424-4535-8d1d-fb38b628825b
we can't stop winning

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Refer to the chart.

>>109195668
only 94db. not adequate testing parameters to reveal driver quality.

>>109195673
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not...

>>109195656
you can see in this example how the problem seems innocuous at 94db, but increases exponentially at higher volume.
such clear issues do not appear in the better developed speakers.

>>109195673
It's all the same thing with 1DD IEMs anyways, very low distortion and no possible clipping.
t. measured EDC Pro at 110dB, max 1.2% below 80Hz.

>>109195684
I sense chatGPT

>>109195658
>wants to hang out with the big boys
well you're a female, so you literally can't hang.
>Headfi talking points
I don't go on there, so congrats, you're still full of shit, creaming to fight.
>>109195659
>you need to EQ
muh length modes. muh HRTFS. fuck up outta here.
>>109195659
>you are fucking stupid and don't know what "well-implemented" or "quality" drivers are. you simply do not.
>"you just don't!! OK!?!?!"
>"I know FUCKIN EVERYTHING ARGHGHH"
pretty asinine assumptions with no basis.
>>109195665
here's your (You), now go rub a magic lamp or something, you need fucking voodoo or ancient chinese curse power to be in the realm of being taken seriously.
>>109195669
holy autism

>>109195689
nta, but you're schizo or just rage baiting still. get some oxygen in your lungs, fool

>>109195690
I thought rubbing lamps and buying audiophile door stoppers was your type of thing no?
Ah, I forgot, they have to be expensive for you to like them since we all know that price = quality. Engineers don't look at objective measurements, they aim to maximize the price of a product because that is quality itself!

>>109195595
That shit sucks nigga.
Worse than $5 KZ EDC Pro

>>109195690
>muh length modes. muh HRTFS. fuck up outta here.
what kind of argument is this lmao?
>pretty asinine assumptions with no basis.
your retarded posts are the basis. you literally can't explain what the fuck you are talking about and how you know if something is "
quality" or "well implemented".
>to be in the realm of being taken seriously
brother nobody will ever take you seriously lol. pretty tragic how you still fail to understand that. you are not a serious person.

>>109195693
>your type of thing no?
my type of thing is putting on a pair of iems and immediately noticing good separation. those are the ones I main, regardless of whether they have peaks. yes, I raw dog my shit and I hope my personal experience gets a rise out of you.
>they have to be expensive for you to like them.
you keep insinuating my stance is "more $, better sound, always". you're wholly wrong and even though you have your stance against it, you have to give up putting things in peoples mouths. you're better off getting a dog

>>109195704
>you literally can't explain what the fuck you are talking about and how you know if something is "quality" or "well implemented".
it's the difference between the shells of KZ Zenith and GK Kunten. same drivers, different inner shell implementations.
open invitation to come over so I can beat the piss out of you

>tardzo can only think in terms of KZ revision distortion spike slop
topkek

>>109195719
>it's the difference between the shells of KZ Zenith and GK Kunten
okay? what's the difference?

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>>109195736
check it out you little piss ant.
the cheap shit shell has the driver haphazardly placed in there with no wave guide/tubing, and compare that with the better shell of zenith where they put more effort in getting sound from the driver to the nozzle.
holy shit

>dude they put more effort!
>trust!
holy shit this guy knows what he's talking about for certain

>>109195770
I've farted enough in church and gotten away with it, I know what I'm doing at this point.
Go chug your onions

>>109195763
>compare that with the better shell of zenith
I don't see any proof that zenith's driver implemented any better? Are you able to actually demonstrate it and prove that it influences its sound quality?

>>109195806
xhe can't, but xhe thinks that xhe can get away with vague bullshit straight from gpt's ass lololololol

>>109195806
do you really need to be spoon fed everything? image search that shit and look for yourself. contrarian bitch ass

>>109195864
spoon fed? we are having an argument. you claim that you understand things about driver implementation and quality... but when asked to demonstrate your knowledge you are coping out every time.
You are doing it again.
So what now? I accept your concession I guess.
You don't know shit after all.

so fucking funny man, every time xhe's asked something xhe just crumbles and starts screeching about spoonfeeding lmao lololol

>>109195864
>image search that shit and look for yourself.
wait what exactly is your argument here? So you basically looked up image on the internet and arbitrary decided that one driver is better implemented than the other based on visual information?

yall need to be put in time out. whew

>can't post an image
>can't post normal sentences
>can't post a coherent thought
>can't post a pos
wtf can this fucker even do??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-UY3NZ61hI

>I just eyeballed it bro
what a colossal argument...

>sean olive didn't say it
can't be real

in ear monitoring is my favorite hobby

good old argument about.... checking notes....5usd shitbuds

>>109196007
Are you monitoring ear wax.

>>109196280
Good question. Yes..

>>109195653
>I know how to converse
Reading is a prerequisite to conversing and you can't read >>109194558

>driver quality is... the shell
Well looks like fox IEM won as usual.

>>109193153
people actually took this post seriously kek. idk how much more absurd retarded hyperbole would be required to prevent this, if even possible. sure, go eq pos to storm lol

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totl market will die in 2 weeks

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>>109195443
There are IEMs that aren't minimum phase but you can still EQ to them.

>>109195659
>market was flipped when chinks started shitting out harman tuned $20
Pretty much the crux of it, its why you see Crin shift to his "neutral" as a marketing point now since Harman tuning is solved by chifi

>>109196768
Why would it die. There are speaker cables that cost 10 times more than any TOTL. As far as audiophiles are concerned that's pennies, they buy it for fun. It's like watches. Expensive watches don't tell time better. That's not the point.

I got a UTI from this thread

>>109196712
you're a dipshit for misconstruing what I said and lying on purpose. the shell is part of driver implementation. and fuck that furry faggot

>>109197016
>look at the shell! look!
That's what you said. What is there to misconstrue?

>>109197050
I never said "driver quality is the shell". we on the same page yet?

>>109197063
>I have nothing to say
We know.

>>109196755
storm is dogshit and you should EQ pos to the opposite of storm aka something good

>>109196779
"not minimum phase" IEMs should be considered minimum phase

>>109197081
you're so fuckin glib and useless

>>109196936
uber totl might be insulated to some degree but midfi to entry totl should see significant disruptions dont you think? even accounting for how confused or performative many audiophiles are. but this never happens. the floor was just raised, it wasnt made equivalent to the ceiling

>>109197063
and the backpedaling resumes. when you mention something in a discussion about driver quality make sure it's related to driver quality.

>>109197113
you don't have the ability to have a discussion to begin with. you're the opposite of a sane person.

>>109196928
not exactly. crin is shifting to "his "neutral" " because that's where current research is pointing. harman's own listening tests show that SG target does as well as harman one. Probably because methodology is kinda wonky for IEMs. It's hard to deal with all the different length modes and acoustic impedances.
Because ear gain needs to be assumed it's all comes down to if pos fits your HRTF and has dips where your lengs modes are.
That's exactly why the notion that there's some TOTL 6k pos storm that will be good for everybody cause of QUALITY is so fucking stupid.

>>109197106
Empire ears just died. Why? They didn't raise the prices quickly enough.

>>109197106
>uber totl might be insulated to some degree but midfi to entry totl should see significant disruptions dont you think
like... are you retarded? It ALREADY happened. The thing is normies still think headphones = good iems=bad anyway and most people will buy airpods of some kind and be done with it. headphones market is much much MUCH larger than chiense IEM one
>the floor was just raised, it wasnt made equivalent to the ceiling
because there never was any ceiling. delusions will take you to space and beyond easily. if TOTL is not enough it will be cables, AMPs or musical stones.
Now tell me what the fuck is the difference?

>>109196712
so the trick is when he says something reply that fox IEM has it and he just dies instantly. Lol!

>>109197135
wonder what jack vang from EE is doing now. probably homeless

>>109197124
NTA and I'm still waiting for proof that zenith implemented its drivers any better. why the fuck did you return without addressing me first???

>>109197157
>NTA
my ass you're having a conversation with yourself right now, samefagging nutjob.
jesus christ you're actually insane

Notice what he didn't say >>109197167

talking to yourself pretending to be multiple anons is some crazy work just to prove a point.

damn, /iemg/. I guess the new meta is to be an actual sociopath.

>>109197167
cool so what about them zenith shells and drivers?

>>109197177
the old meta of asking you something and you simply shitting yourself still works great

>>109197151
maybe it happened for you? maybe as the floor is raised further we'll get more and more people who start collapsing the remaining differences, until there effectively aren't any. i think it's naive to assume your ceiling is the same as everyone elses

>>109197156
Samsung is gonna hire him any day now. They can't figure out that multidriver thing they did 10 years ago on their own.

>>109197217
>maybe it happened for you
it obviously happened in general
> maybe as the floor is raised further we'll get more and more people who start collapsing the remaining differences, until there effectively aren't any.
differences such as?
> i think it's naive to assume your ceiling is the same as everyone elses
I literally told you there's no ceiling and you are repeating shit about it again.

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I still don't know what to think about the R2R fotm. Is R2R even real for portable devices? You guys have been saying it's a glorified bypass filter. For desktop use, when does R2R get "real"? This new MUSICIAN AUDIO DELPHINUS for example. Is this a real R2R good DAC for 500 bucks?

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>>109197310
I'm also an xDuoo TA-32 cuck. Is it worth swapping the DAC card to their R2R one or one of the other ones for 200 bucks? Where's my twin from the hood that had the portable xDuoo DACs that also use the same cards?

>>109197226
it didn't happen. what we saw was the floor was raised. more and more people are content with cheap stuff now as you would expect. outliers have even begun claiming equivalency some places
>differences such as?
i think this is pointless because anything i say will be automatically reinterpreted in your framework as actually this or that. and if it cant, i'm delusional etc.
by ceiling i'm talking about the point where further improvements are no longer meaningful enough to matter. obviously somewhat fuzzy but that doesn't make it meaningless

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>>109197310
Depends on what you mean by real. If you just mean the architecture then just look at the specs. If you want to "hear" R2R you want something as poorly done as possible, like cayin ru6. Because a properly implemented R2R will sound identical to a delta sigma DAC.

>>109197330
You haven't said anything, but you already imagined yourself saying something and being shat on for it. What level of beta male is this.

>>109197330
improvements of what

>>109197341
Basically are any of these worth it or are they just marketing. Something as poorly done as possible sounds like something I may not want? Objectively, how do people pic DACs once the product they're looking at covers the inputs and buttons/aesthetics they want? The DAC chip part is confusing with so many options.

>>109197355
I know it gets better but I would never, ever ever say what "it" is.

>>109197347
because its kinda like showing color to the colorblind. its just trite and i prefer to discuss the framework itself rather than specifics inside it

>>109197384
The thing about R2R is there should be no chip. Just a bunch of resistors, preferably discrete. If you want quality just forget about R2R. It's the oldest and the most primitive DAC technology. The same kind of appeal as vinyl and tubes.

>>109197330
>it didn't happen. what we saw was the floor was raised. more and more people are content with cheap stuff now as you would expect. outliers have even begun claiming equivalency some places
disruption literally happened when people started buying $20 chinese IEMs in droves. literally whole new market emerged
>i think this is pointless because anything i say will be automatically reinterpreted in your framework as actually this or that. and if it cant, i'm delusional etc.
>by ceiling i'm talking about the point where further improvements are no longer meaningful enough to matter. obviously somewhat fuzzy but that doesn't make it meaningless
isn't that the point tho? if ceiling is musical stones what is the fucking point in talking about it?

>>109197389
It was real in your mind.

>>109197389
>I don't know what I'm talking about
so how do you know it's not in FR?

Why are there no IEMs with switchable nozzles of different length? Fuckers literally add nozzles that change NOTHING. at least make them longer\shorter maybe???

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On the never ending topic of CD players, seems like there's also a new XDUOO CDM10 one. Looks pretty cool, but it's like 500 bucks. It uses the same DAC as the Shanling EC Play, which is 150 bucks. I guess it has more features, but how is this shit 500? The tube stage can't be worth it and it actually might be worse potentially.

>>109197403
Why are people hyping it up so much though? Is it just snake oil and the next big thing for youtubers to make videos about? So far I'm only seeing the "cool" factor and no other benefit.

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>>109197389
I would explain how this improves sound quality but its kinda like showing color to the colorblind. Your ceiling is too low to perceive the difference.

why havent anyone brought a edc pro or something eq'ed to storm to a canjam just once? it should generate a lot of discussion?

>>109197476
>why haven't anyone painted casio into rolex and shown it to people
see how stupid you sound

>>109197429
pretty sure the kadenz comes with different length nozzles

>>109197476
people do this all the time with other models
and those that understand engineering understand that you don't need experiential data to describe physical phenomenon

this hobby is gay

>>109197522
huh? based moondrop
is it literally the only IEM in existence that does this?

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brotherman measured all the different length nozzles by pushing them all to 8k defeating the purpose......

>>109197556
Having a decent pair is not a hobby, every well informed consumer is able to avoid over consumption of needless goods.

>>109197625
not sure but it's one of those things where the goal of it is unclear
imo, the purpose of different nozzle length is purely to optimize comfort, not sound. ergonomics have undergone drastic changes that are rarely discussed, most notably the size and length of nozzles as well as the shell volume.
anyways, coming back to these nozzles, i don't think that what is shown here >>109197636 is that egregious, i think he wanted to show that apart from the length, the filters are acoustically identical. length mode behavior is more or less consistent, not much of a need to document that part (and he does so for more recent reviews)

>>109197536
yeah i'm just wondering why there isnt a bigger push to demonstrate it. i'd expect people to relish in showing it experientially and we'd never hear the end of it once acknowledged enough. if i believed this i might even feel ethical pressure to spread the good word of eq. it would also disrupt the market way more than what we've already seen, which people also would love to see

>>109197772
>yeah i'm just wondering why there isnt a bigger push to demonstrate it
because it's literally pointless?
>i'd expect people to relish in showing it experientially and we'd never hear the end of it once acknowledged enough
why? if you are buying 1k+ pos you are already retarded and beyond saving. nobody gives a fuck.
>if i believed this i might even feel ethical pressure to spread the good word of eq.
EQ is skill dependent. Most people will not be willing to learn how to do it no matter what.
To properly demonstrate it for retards like you we'd need to measure what stroms sound inside your dumb head + same for pos we'll be EQing. Currently it's not really viable.

>>109190608
i got offer 50% off for Catchear CE6T (first edition) and Tripowin Kailua
Should i get These or nah......

>>109197638
this general was never about this

Listen brah. Audio is timeless. You don't have to buy the new FOTM every month.

>>109197850
what about flagship tier equivalence then? just in general. wouldn't you expect much more convergence by now? wouldn't people independently come to conclusions and slowly shift the landscape?

will peoples ability to EQ remain the bottleneck? will this sort of just be a niche truth that never really changes the hobby? curious how this pov predicts the hobby changing going forward

>>109197772
There's a guy here that can't use his IEMs for more than 15 minutes because he his snake cable is too heavy and can't use them with any portable source because they dip to 2 Ohm. Why would you want to get rid of this, it's fucking hilarious.

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>>109198045
>>109198064
The genetics will always be the bottleneck.

>>109198103
sometimes i wonder if some people dont recognize their pov as pov but as how things are, at which point disagreement is naturally interpreted as deficiency and bias and so on

>>109198150
When your worldview hinges on everything you are presented being fake at some point you have to recognize that is in fact a mental deficiency.

why is artti r2 so good, bros?

>>109197319
Check xduoo xd05 pro thread on head fi. I passed on it, for that amount of money u can buy even DAPs or I think fiio have r2r combo at that price. Problem with xduoo modules is that they are expensive af. Maybe I will but r2r card but I'm.waiting for clreance sale in my local xduoo dealer.

>>109198150
fascinating, but when are you going to answer why zenith has better driver quality?

>>109198045
>what about flagship tier equivalence then? just in general. wouldn't you expect much more convergence by now
no? what's your argument for this to be so?
>wouldn't people independently come to conclusions and slowly shift the landscape
what conclusion? what makes you think landscape is not shifting btw?

>>109197319
Yeah, fuck it, every DAC card is around 200usd, on sales they are cheaper. I can also swap Op amps or even entire new amp section but still it's around 150usd on AliExpress, good op amps aren't cheap either.
For me it's bit of an unnecessary feature, like portable xd05pro because amount of power it can provide, not because of that interchangeable snake oil. For around 200usd I bought fiio M21 so entire new device with tons of other functions.
I had opportunity to buy DAC cards for it used and price still was way too high. Rather buy new iems or something else for it

>>109198226
>>109198271
Actually it is kind of a meme price at 200 when I can buy a shang tsung CD player for 150.

>>109198282
Don't know what they were thinking, other DAC cards aren't cheap either. Other think about xduoo xd05 pro, firmware situation is crazy, if I want R2R card for it to work I would have to go on heeadfi thread, find link with custom firmware they had straight from xduoo software guy from china, last time I was thinking about it official xduoo site didn't have firmware update for r2r card they offered

>>109198295
What the fuck lmao man fuck xpoo-o.

>>109198302
Chinks hardware is like that, that one device though me lots about chinks way of doing things. I almost killed that thing by mistake because it states u can use 12V 2A phone charger to power it directly bypassing battery. So turn out that early production had problem with that and USBC controller inside sucked more power that device was designed to. Never production batches have USBC ports with orange color and dont have that problem. Mine almost went dead with glitches on screens. If I want to use it bypassing battery power I need to use 12V 2A power supply with barrel to USBC adapter . Phone chargers no good for it.

The shit people do to avoid buying a good DAC.

>>109198354
Name 3 good DACs I should be buying.

>>109198365
Apple dongle, ve odo, ja11.

>>109198365
LG V10

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>>109198380
Surely more expensive DACs are better than this.....

Your motherboards built in DAC is enough.

>>109198380
>>109198391
kys

>>109198476
deep inside You know we're right

>>109198476
>microSD 2TB support
>good DAC with 300Ohm headphones support
>user-replaceable battery
>if you're into album art, beautiful 1440p screen
>2nd screen can control music player without turning on the main screen, mitigating the lack of buttons
Not sure about LG V10 but V20 is legit one of the best portable player you can have right now.

>>109198502
>>109198523
I'm not broke shaming, but you're 100% promising these opinions aren't stemming from not having enough money to afford something better? Obviously we all understand that you shouldn't just spend money for no reason at all and that we can always get by with what we have. Trying to be objective however I ask for a good DAC and these are your recommendations?

>>109198576
How are you trying to be objective and looking R2R at the same time? You sure you didn't confuse objective for something else, like audiophile reviews? Go look at the measurements and features. The DACs you mentioned before don't even have PEQ.

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>>109198576
This hobby is like Buddhism. The more time you spend here the sooner you realize chasing the next totl source or pos is a fools errand. Grab those $5 vidos and enjoy the tunes.

>>109198614
What DACs did I mention and why is it wrong to discuss different technologies like R2R? Did I go ahead and buy an R2R DAC and then come and shill it in here?
>>109198624
The opposite exists too you know. You can't just say expensive good just the same way you can't say cheap good.

>>109198576
Stand alone audio players nowadays are very niche, so you have affordable garbage and ultra premium not garbage (still with compromises nonetheless).
V20 is an affordable not garbage with fewer compromised than some premium offerings since it was LG's flagship phone of the time.

>>109198644
R2R DACs are objectively bad. You'd know if you ever saw any measurements of them.
>but why do people buy them
People buying objectively bad things is a crazy concept to a 14 year old.

>>109198651
I'm not gonna use a fucking phone for my DAC. Shut up.
>>109198658
You just ignored everything I said and pulled some random yap out of your ass.

>>109198644
point of diminishing returns is @$20

>>109198688
Nobody said it's wrong to discuss R2R and nobody said you're shilling it. We're discussing it right now. It's bad. You made something up to be angry about, why wouldn't I ignore it.

>>109198689
What do those $20 get you?
>>109198729
>You made something up to be angry about
I didn't. I asked about 3 good DACs. You have a shit reply and then ducked the smoke and started deflecting to R2R.

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>>109198741
Here's 100 objectively good DACs. Enjoy.

>>109198741
Tanchjimmy bnuy

The only expensive DAC that's been worth it to me has been the DC-Elite. Dongle or full sized.

>>109198755
Desktop ones.
>>109198754
This isn't your personal opinion. You just took that from the brown guy.
>>109198758
This guy understood the assignment.

>>109198793
Nobody here has the equipment to measure DACs so nobody here can give an objective recommendation. Either you never cared about the objectivity or you came to the wrong place.

>>109198793
jm6 with usb to type c

>>109198836
kys
>>109198812
Give your personal opinion.

>>109198883
Raw es9280c soldered directly to the cable + type c to type a adapter.

>>109198911
Fucking asshole lmao.

>>109194147
Because FR certainly does equal Impulse Response. Accepting the fact is master's level coursework? and a hilarious logic trap. Remember that our hearing-mind is a joke on us by God. Skin-touch is probably a higher fidelity, higher neural bandwith sense. Our ears to hear are built to be CHEAP on cognition.
We do still talk about driver techs while accepting that it cannot be measured and are therefore coping reactionaries to Harman Listener Group clusters. The paucity of driver manufacturers confirms. There are no secret domains of audible transducer noise.
You cannot pick double blind cables and there can be no measurable distinction, yey the difference in cables can be so obvious that even women notice.
The modulus of paper or pe or pu or carbon or beryllium vapor crystals just doesn't matter, except for maybe a some outlier golden ears and there is no trade secret to predict how.

>>109198365
AK4499/AK4497

>>109198926
jcally ap7 and a type a to type c cable.

>>109198754
>SINAD with no load
omg ASR is too funny

>>109198972
Not DAC chip. A whole DAC unit.

>>109199014
>DAC
>load
Son...

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>>109198883
I think if u are into source gear and have lots of good headphones its ok to have good DAC or even more than one. If u just need something for your cheap headphones i think random chink dac/amp combo is more than enough. I've never even considered buying a separate DAC. My devices have line-out, so I can mix their DACs and amplifiers without really noticing much of a difference. Most of that chip based delta sigma stuff from akm, ess, wolfson ect should be audibly transparent. Maybe R2Rs sound like something else but never tried one. Good hifi stuff strats with around 1000usd and its way outside my budget. I like watching videos about that and some of it seems to be really nice, like Chord stuff or Ferrum Audio. But way too expensive for me

Chinfkiman HE6 remaster, what u think?

>>109198270
the conclusion that eq'ed extremely inexpensive iems can achieve flagship-tier sound quality. you'd think that people would kinda figure this out independently and it'd gain way more traction over the years because of how consequential it is. and i'm just curious how someone who believes this sees the hobby changing the coming years. people here have said totl segments will die out for some time but i'd probably expect the mid to kilobuck range to be disrupted the most

>>109199557
>the conclusion that eq'ed extremely inexpensive iems can achieve flagship-tier sound quality.
we still trying to get a rise out of each other in here?
it's like everybody has Havana syndrome now.

>>109199651
it looks absurd written out but that's how it began. that one can eq 20 dollar iems to storm/hex etc. the strongest povs here who are probably reading this would say you can do with 5 bucks. hell with aliexpress coins reaching the literal pinnacle of portable audio is basically free. not only that, but more expensive iems literally sound worse. they'll say price is inverse to quality. that's how far it goes. the ceiling is free and spending more hurts you. and if you disagree you're fuckin deaf. and its so fascinating and frustrating to me that i cant seem to not engage with and probe it. i know i should find something better to do and i will eventually

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>>109199737
>and its so fascinating and frustrating to me that i cant seem to not engage with and probe it.
Have you tried actually saying something. Try responding to this or explaining how zenith has higher driver quality.

>>109199778
>he does the "I dindu say nuthing" even in the screenshot
jej

>>109199557
>the conclusion that eq'ed extremely inexpensive iems can achieve flagship-tier sound quality
that's not a conclusion that's simple reality. what can POSSIBLY stop it? only skill issue
>you'd think that people would kinda figure this out independently
people figured it out decades ago
>it'd gain way more traction over the years because of how consequential it is
people has been using EQ for decades
>and i'm just curious how someone who believes this sees the hobby changing the coming years
individual tuning is how it should change and we are already seeing it with some models.
>people here have said totl segments will die out for some time but i'd probably expect the mid to kilobuck range to be disrupted the most
nobody was buying totls in the first place meanwhile literally millions bought cheap chinese IEMs

>>109199737
>they'll say price is inverse to quality.
that's literally a proven fact

You must have at least one $500+ IEM to truly understand that $20 IEMs are better.

>>109199436
>Chinfkiman HE6 remaster, what u think?

Trash. Can't hold a candle to my Sash Tres SE (no longer made).

>>109198793
My "desktop DAC" is motu m4 and I'm not using it for IEMs or headphones.

>>109200047
I thought it was ukrainian scam. Even more than that other brand, verum I think.
Say something more about them, pretty rare stuff.

>>109200153
retard
>>109200155
Why would it be a scam? Idk what to say, they're goated. Should have bought replacement pads just to have a backup though. I'll be fucked soon.

>>109199778
>explaining how zenith has higher driver quality.
higher than what?

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xixtas...... which color should i get????

>>109200277
Black duh.

>>109200178
I've read something that they had more than 1 name, few company addresses or something like that. They are now called Amber Planar I think.

>>109200317
What the fuck? It really seems like it. Did the dude rebrand or did he get kidnapped/killed? Why would I not know about this? He did change the pad shape though so I'm not sure I wanna get these new ones. The Tres had angled pads. These new phones don't and the replacements follow the new model. Bit confusing, because some of these new models also have pics with angled pads but idk.

I'm not looking to spend more money anyways. I wonder what longevity I can expect from these planars. If they last like 15 years I'd be stoked. Had them for 2 years already.

>>109200442
I think it was some kind of rebrand, company name, new model names. It felt really scammy so I thought it was scam, popular in this part of europe. Don't really remember that. If u need more info u have to type in google audiofanatyk.pl, use machine translation, find section with reviews and if I remember he reviewed and measured 2 models, yours and another one. There should be more info about that rebranding story and way to contact that ukrainian guy.
If u need more info type

>>109200521
Can't say it's a scam. You'd see people complaining online. I don't go on gayass forums but there was a thread on head-fi (the worst most gayest forum) about the Sash Tres and nobody had complaints. Now they have one for the new brand and people seem happy. Probably had to do it because of tax evasion or government issues I have no idea. When I was getting my Tres he gave me updates all the time and even declared a lower customs value for me with no shipping costs so I wouldn't get raped by gayass customs. He's serious about his headphones.

>>109200521
https://audiofanatyk.pl/sash-matrix-ukrainski-kryzys-tozsamosci-w-wydaniu-planarnym/

This is the article you were talking about it seems. From my understanding this guy is a Verum hating cuck, because the owner allegedly said something racist (can't imagine being Polish and being triggered by racism) and he's also saying the new model is much better than my Tres SE for a low cost increase? I don't understand what his problem with rebranding is. He's talking about an address in Romania. If I'm in yewkraine I'd move to Romania too shit.

>>109200547
It looks like its still the case, you just don't have that corporate type polish on top of it like with bigger brands. I've seen fair share of that kind of businesses failing, taking out money of last unlucky clients with it so that's why it fills bit risky.

Personally I can't stand screw heads as pad mounting system. But they look really good and if I remember they had really good sound and measured well too.

>>109200628
>Personally I can't stand screw heads as pad mounting system

Yeah I'd agree. I love the comfort and fit of them though.

>>109200609
Don't remember, maybe he is verum hater. He is chinkfiman hater for sure, somewhere on that site there is almost entire book written about chinkfiman headphone fails, scammy practices and so on.
I think there should be another article/review about sash other model.

Sash should buy nice hex or torx screws and use it for that pad mounting system, like Abyss I think.

>>109190608
is truthgate pure good, do I need a dac or can just plug it in my phone or computer. Its kinda expensive for me so i don't know if it is really worth it. I haven't had many iems, just the CHU II and i did not like it too much, its was mid. I also value the many eartips in the pure's packaging and the pouch. I listen to rock and metal if that makes a difference

>>109200715
>Sensitivity: 124dB/Vrms @1kHz
just get it. it's loud as shit/not power hungry, so your phone won't be an issue.
>computer
depending on whether you're plugging into a laptop or full sized pc, you'll likely need a dac. apple dongle and maybe a usb-c extension cable will do.

Wait, the nigga that can't pick a DAC is a headpos user? Headpos law strikes again.

>>109200782
>depending on whether you're plugging into a laptop or full sized pc
im on a laptop. but more broadly i just don't know if it is worth it, considering i don't care about the anime girls on the packaging or collecting iems. i mostly care about being good audibly, durable and comfortable. i don't know if i should go to a lower price bracket to the kiwi cadenza for example. and as i said, the chu II were good, but i don't know if it was the eartips, i felt like they lacked something and felt mid and boring, but i don't have actual high quality audio devices to reliably compare with.

>>109200907
If you want a multidriver IEM like pure forget about onboard audio, it'll change the tonality massively >>109189702
Any basic dongle will solve this problem. The absolute most you should spend on a dongle is $90 for crinear max.

>>109200822
I have like 4 DACs, retard.

>>109200967
All shit no doubt.

>>109200986
proof?

>>109200951
considering i am budget limited and find dongles annoying, considering even my phone has a jack, i will most likely go with a single driver and cheaper alternative. is the kiwi cadenza 2 (or 1) ok. i know ill probably need a cable and tips, but i don't know anything about them, and also a pouch would be useful

>>109201262
>i know ill probably need a cable and tips
you dont bro, the things included with cadenza2 are perfectly good.
if you have aliexpress and coins, then look for rosesla aurora ultra. it can be as low as $20 and it's an entire package of iems+ quality ear tips and hard case (and a usb dac). more cost efficient than buying a decent quality case that is $10-$15 by itself imo

EQ cannot fix the occlusion effect. Get Samsung EO-IG955+ SpinFit W1 + 711.
https://youtu.be/79OqVb3r6DM

>>109201262
tangzu red lion is also decent for an all-around package (includes nice ear tips + small silicone case)

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>>109201506
>lower signal to noise ratio is le good

Chu 2 got quiet on the right side. What do?

If they've shat the bed what are some iems that are proven to be absolute workhorses. I'm tired of having to replace my earphones when my wireless pair works perfectly (but sounds like ass compared to the Chus)

>>109202070
Most of the time, it's the nozzle filter that gets clogged by moisture buildup or debris. You gotta replace it.
https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/moondrop-earphone-filter-accessories-for-spaceship-kxxs-starfield-earphone

>>109202070
>condensation
>metal shell pos, avoid.

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All of these muh 'spensive dac sounds better, muh sour grapes niggas will fail an abx test between $1000 dollar 3 feet tall desktop dac with 50W of power draw vs any cheapo $5 dongle

>>109202103
thanks anon

>>109202180
sorry, I'm illiterate

>>109198435
It is, but the cable is not long enough so you either get a new cable or another deck to bring it on your desk and connect your pair.

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I own a pair of LCD-X. Is there something better than this? Because it's not exactly the "wow" experience I thought they would be. Sure, there is more detail, and I can now clearly tell if a recording is shit or not, but... is that it? I thought there would be, well, more. I guess having an expensive pair of cans simply refines the audio and nothing more. It's the same tunes at the end of the day and all.

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>>109203158
Add ears.

>>109203199
checked

will do

>>109200609
in this part of the world that kind of move, so silent quiet rebrandings, weird company adresses, lack of clear statements, diy looking websites smell like an attempt at fraud or an escape from responsibility.

As for DIY projects its very intresting topic for me. I have a weakness for this type of products and for example AliExpress has several sellers offering similar products with interesting results.Some, like the headphones with Hifiman Susvara golden drivers, were tempting to buy but the fear of being scammed always won.
Also Verum before he got banned on headfi he had very intresting thread about building planar drivers.

>>109202187
If you can hear 20kHz you can tell the difference because it rolls off treble sooner than some expensive DACs... but you can literally just resample to a higher sample rate to solve this. Even the OS resampler will suffice.

>>109203158
anything without EQ is 6\10 max unless you got VERY lucky.
also I'm reading that LCD-X comes with audeze EQ plugin you need to apply and that their out of the box tonality is weird. lol? is that true?

>>109203331
This doesn't happen anymore. Everything goes slightly past 20kHz.

>>109203331
>If you can hear 20kHz
kinda doubt anybody in this thread can LOL also there's not much information there anyway
not that you are wrong but it's not really a quality difference

I have found my endgame with the Valhalla and Origins, I think I'm going to sell all my other IEMs except my Top Pros since I like to carry those with me. Is there anywhere I can learn about a good speaker set now that hpg is kill?

>>109203342
DAC filters are not perfect, below 20kHz gets reduced too when playing 44.1.

>>109203356
>I can learn about a good speaker set now that hpg is kill
just ask a nearest clanker