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Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.>A /pcbg/ for every use case and budget!>Price trackingRAM: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ram-price-index-2026-lowest-price-on-ddr5-and-ddr4-memory-of-all-capacitiesSSD: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/ssd-price-tracking-2026-lowest-price-on-every-m-2-ssdGPU: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/lowest-gpu-prices-tracking>GPU hierarchy 2026https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html>PSU Reviewshttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplieshttps://www.lttlabs.com/https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-suppliesFor tier-list enjoyers:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/>Storage Reviewshttps://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSDhttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews>Monitor Hunterhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/>Other helpful LinksMobomaps: https://mobomaps.com/A PC build guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PCGerman autism: https://www.igorslab.de/en/Alternate to pcpartpicker: https://pangoly.com/en/pc-builder
Reminder that theres zero indication that ram supply will meet demand for years to come so prices may well increase beyond whats current norm.
i want airflow case with airflow scoopswhich are some airflow scoops cases?
Is it worth it to upgrade from an IPS 1440p 144hz monitor to a similar one but OLED?
what do you think about buying a rig off marketplace?i've had a pc forever and luckily i upgraded before the datacenter nonsense, but i've got a friend who has been playing on a piece of shit laptop and i've been trying to get them to get a real desktop.i see people selling desktops on marketplace pretty regularly but i've never personally bought used parts or anything. what do you think?
>>109274618Scoops are retarded, you're better of moving the PSU to the front and putting 2-120/140 fans on the bottom for GPU intake.
>>109274631Why are all the tech women ugly? Why can't we have some super hot giga stacy who likes to build PCs, test cases/fans and talk semiconductors?
>>109274737i rather have scoop than 16x SSD brackets.
>>109274702Make sure you test it before you buy and open it to inspect the parts. I bought a PC years ago and asked the seller to let me turn it on and test it before we closed the deal.
>>1092746183d print your own airflow scoop
>>109274752i would 3D print my own case
>>109274631>>109274740
>>109274809>high end escort is cheaper than mid range GPU
>>109274809Just making up shit. As expected of AI.
>>109274827yes, but you can have sex with gemma-chan over and over again.>>109274833yeah, honestly the prices are probably from a few years ago, gemma-4 isn't that up to date anymore. it's way more expensive now.
PC cases in 2026 is just grim
>>109274595https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.htmlhttps://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.htmlhttps://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.htmlBIG FUCKING NEWSHOTSPOT TEMPS AVAILABLE FOR 50 SERIES BIG FUCKING NEWSHOTSPOT TEMPS AVAILABLE FOR 50 SERIES BIG FUCKING NEWSHOTSPOT TEMPS AVAILABLE FOR 50 SERIES WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON NOWWE'RE GONNA SEE HOW MUCH WE WERE SCAMMED
how good is the 270K+ ?
>>109274986I did this.Hotspot was like 5C higher than the memory junction for a couple seconds.Kinda a nothing burger, but I guess it depends what kinda cooler you got.
>>109275017It's good but I don't know if it's worth the upgrade over a 265K or 264K at $300 or more. It might be but I'm waiting for Nova Lake at this point. My $200 265K has been rock solid so I see no need to upgrade to 270K+.
>>109275022Yeah mine are fine too in game, maybe that changes on a furmark run but I'll do that tomorrow.
>>109275026what about if i have a 14700k
>>109274986What fresh AMD cope is this?
>>109274986pny 5070 bought early last year the hotspots maybe like ~5 degrees warmer.Thought these were supposed to be fucked or something?
>>109275039Well it's a platform upgrade so you'll be looking at like $500+ for a CPU/MOBO bundle, if you have DDR5 already. I still wouldn't call it worth it unless you don't want to wait and see what Nova Lake offers or your CPU is literally dying.
>>109275039mmmmm I think that you should just wait, since nova lake is slated for late 2026 early 2027. Buy the ram at least though.
I tried to download hwinfo and first google result is https://hwinfo.io/ which just uploads some <1mb file with no executablethe official site ends in .comWhy does google do that?
>>109274986This will be good for diagnostics, glad they brought them back.
Finally back in stock. Going to wait for an inevitable "sale" though. $500 more than Corsair's sale right now is wild.
>>10927513964GB? RIDICULOUS PRICE
>>109274986Why this over HWiNFO or CPU-Z?
>>109275139>$1300>64gbWhat a fucking scam, I wanted to upgrade from 32gb but I guess I'll stick with it, thanks ai retards.
>>109275139go on ebay you can get it for 500 brand new or lightly used
>>109275193I don't trust ebay, are they're actually legit
>>109275228ive used ebay for gpus and cpus. ive also just been on ebay overall for over a decade buying things like comics consoles, disc based games, sneakers etc. yes ebay is useful for electronics but you have to not be a retard. use trusted sellers, dont buy anything expensive unless it allows returns, read reviews, ask the seller questions to confirm youre getting what you want etc. not to mention if a problem does arise ebay customer support heavily leans on supporting the buyer over the seller. also a lot of electronics companies have ebay pages or officially uthorized ebay seller partnerships and some things you can add a warranty to upon purchase even if its used and generations old
>>109274986Wasn't this software compromised earlier somehow the windows ecosystem is like a real ecosystem an ecosystem like a jungle
>>109274599>Think for yourself. Do not blindly trust advice given here.I refuse. I will blindly trust anything anyone posts here. You guys would never lie to me.
>>109274616What's more likely to happen is that the AI bubble popping destroys the world's economy and the value of the dollar drop dramatically. The dollar value, and the cost of RAM will drop at the same time.
>>109274616RAM prices will drop next year.Source: it came to me in a dream.
>>109275388AMD buyers would lie to you
https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Intel-Core-13-14th-Gen-Instability-Update-Future-Products/m-p/1627440If you're building a new PC from scratch, I'd generally recommend Intel Core Ultra 200 (Arrow Lake) or a current AMD Ryzen platform instead. Arrow Lake uses a new architecture that Intel says is not affected by the Raptor Lake degradation issue, and it provides a newer platform with a longer upgrade path.
I STILL DON'T GET ITI'LL NEVER GET ITHOW CAN RAM COST SO FUCKING MUCH NOTHING HAS CHANGED EXCEPT THE DEMAND
Anyone experienced with lapping or delidding? I've ordered the socket frame for the CPU and kinda want to delid or lap the CPU too while i'm at it. 250k plus
>>109275654if you aren't going to use a proper lapping plate you might as well direct die the cpu.
>>109274667If you don't know what else to do with your money.
>>109275660Can i direct die it with an air cooler or would i have to buy one of those fancy IHS replacements you mount onto it?
>>109275322The DL mirror was compromised
>>109275670you'd have to look for one of those fancy ihs replacements and maybe modify the mounting of the cooler.
Intel™ Core Ultra 9 285KGIGABYTE™ Z890i Aorus UltraCrucial™ CP2K64G56C46U5Corsair™ iCUE LINK TITAN 360 RX LCD (CW-9061023-WW)Kingston™ SFYR2S/4T0Should I or should I not?
>>109275139is this real life?
>>109275691fuck, lapping it seems like the easier option
>>109275696Why not? I quite like my arrow lake CPU
How much would /g/ pay for a pre-built pc with:5090 FE9950X64GB RAM2TB NVME
>https://www.techpowerup.com/350726/chinese-cxmt-to-match-microns-dram-manufacturing-capacity-this-year>takes chinks 12 months to buildIn the US this shit would take like 4 years1 year getting approval to build1 year fighting all the lawsuits from retarded boomer NIMBYs crying about their property values2 years actually constructing it
>>109275730Are you deep into AI?
>>109275139I paid €235 for my 64GB CL28 (!) kit in early 2025.
>>109275798I'm not in the slightest into large language models.
>>109275809PNY VCNRTXPRO6000B-PBShould I add this?
>>109275643>be cartel>dont increase supply>people pay whatever you ask for the limited resource only you prodice>be worth trillions
>>1092757646k?
>>109275866That is exactly what microcenter has it at. There is an open box one for $5400.
It's totally crazy they called DDR5 prices a bust cycle before this the prices were completely normal prices they were hardly losing money trying to give them away
>>109275696270K+ is faster than the 285K
Got a new 9800x3d and the fps is high in meters but it doesn't feel as smooth as my 14700k was
>>109275976>he fell for the amd meme
>>109275976i vibe with that
my fucking psu is 10mm too long
>>109275976I've seen this sentiment more and more, i'm starting to believe AMD is just leaning hard on averages and kinda letting frametimes and minimums fall off
vibe gaming
>>109276077framechasers on youtube demonstrated how the x3d chips just drop hard if you do quick 180s in certain games, idk how common this is, but in his demosntration the intel chip did not drop at all, whereas the x3d did. The x3d was ahead on averages.
>>109276098frame faggot shouldn't be trusted because his "problems" can't be reproduced
Redpill me on the 250k/270k
>>109276164they perform like they do on the cpu benchmark chartsI suppose intel has better stability for random stuff like usb, audio, turning really fast in a video game
>>109276164good vibes
>>109276164First good CPUs Intel produced since moving on from 14nm+++++, decently priced great multicore if you need it for productivity. Dead end platform so no more upgrades once next gen drops, and next gen Intel promises 4+ cpu gens on their socket so unless you need to upgrade now I'd wait for nova lake.
>>109276119alright, why are you so upset though?>>109276164I really like mine t. this build >>109274599
>>109276222Because if you're quoting framechasers you might as well stop wasting time watching videos and just go to userbenchmark for your CPU reviews.
>>109276222>>109276119>because his "problems" can't be reproduced
>>109276229>>109276255don't let me ruin your X3D purchases i'm sure they're the best gaming CPUs
>>109276055This could have been avoided
>>109276265i boughted it 3 yeras ago
I bought a component through facebook marketplace and he didn't send it through mail yesterday and today, asked him to send as fast as possible and he said he will soon. What's the chance this guy is scamming me or just couldn't get enough time to send it to me?
>>109276098always thought this was bullshit but since we've established ryzen can't handle 8k mice there is some compelling evidenceobviously other reviewers are not gonna be using that for their test rigs>>109276164mehfine for the price but you need expensive DDR5 to get the most out of them so that negates the budget argument(and if you're already on a DDR5 platform you don't need an upgrade)
>>109276288why would a frog need hardware from facebook?
>>109276288you should have gotten a tracking number
>>109276298We frogs are people just like normal people.
>>109276304The thing is that he didn't even send it to me yet so he can't possibly send me a tracking number.
>>109276308
>>109276296LGA1851 is a DDR5 only platform, you don't need ddr5 to get the most out of them, you need ddr5 for them to function at all.
>>109276288Also, i'm 100% sure his product page photos are legit, but when i asked for other photos (outside of his PC_ he sent me an obviously AI generated image of the component taken off and on his table. I think he was too lazy to take the component off his computer just to send a photo to me. He probably just took a photo of his irl table and asked AI to add the component to the table, since the background and wall is consistent with his irl room.
>>109276339you need good DDR5 (hynix) for the processors to perform wellthey are massively memory bottlenecked like any other intel CPU since like 9th genguaranteed hynix kits are expensive, sure you can gamble on a 4800C40 kit but what's the point when you can take the DDR4 you already own and get 14th gen instead
>>109275696I would spend $10900 to build this in my country.
>>109275984>>109275998>>109276061I think the chipset drivers are bugged on Windows because when I disabled the external events and ppm driver my system became more responsive
>5080 surprims are eol and oos everywhere nowAre the 5xxx super variants coming out Soon™ or should I stop waiting and just get a different model?
>>109276363>Windows
>>109276313the tracking number proves they print out a shipping label in the first place. if there is no shipping label then you're never getting it.
Proton-CachyOS 11.0-20260702 is out:- Native PipeWire audio is now on by default- FSR 4.1.1 setup is more automatic- The needed AMD DLL now copies itself- Most users no longer need the old manual FSR 4 command- New FSR 4 and Multi Frame Generation controls were added- DualSense and game-specific fixes are included
>>109276360What kind of speeds and timings should i am for? I was able to boot and run benchmarks at 8000 cl44 i believe on my cl30 6000 kit
Tests revealed higher video memory usage on Radeon RX 9070 XT compared to GeForce RTX 5070 Ti. The difference at 1440p reaches 1 to 3 GB due to software features.The main cause is always active ReBar on AMD and advanced texture compression on Nvidia. Often games just reserve free memory for background cache.Both models feature 16 GB buffer and will stay relevant long. When choosing a graphics card the main factors are price differences and vendor technologies.
>>109276423i don't have core ultra so i can't give you a comprehensive answer but as always timings > frequency, that's why you need hynix8000 gives you more than enough bandwidth, but keep in mind that higher memory clocks will also overclock the IMC which indirectly reduces memory latency (as long as you stay in gear 2, never go gear 4)maybe look at some of buildzoid's recent ARL content:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSSJNl1oTukhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fVDB4xXvy0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruqtc_-ou7Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVbKgGRdzA
>Ryzen 9 9950X3D2 Dual Edition (100-100001978WOF) The hell is this?
>>109276497the cuck core rapist
>>1092764979950x3d, but with the 3d Vcache on both ccds instead of just one. If you don't know what that means, you don't need or want this.
Since the pricing for just about every component is whack, I'm thinking of grabbing parts piecemeal for upgrading instead of making a new PC all at once. What price should I be looking for over the next year or so with the following components;>5070ti>r7 7700x>any suitable mobo and ddr5 ram
>>109276527Of course I know, kiddo. I'm kino.
>>109276432AMD vram shows the true uncompressed colorsNvidia vram shows the fake compressed colorsI mean look at the image the gradients are crushed on nvidia
>>109276098> quick 180s> in certain gamesWe don't do that in Germany.
>>109276432Nvidia GPUs have been using compression for years now, that's why they "use" less vram.
>he boughted the oled
Why is Samsung MZ-V9P4T0CW way cheaper than MZ-V9P4T0B/AM?
>>109275764€4,500 - 5,000
>>109276638having both an oled and ips,the oled is so much better to look at every time
Maybe it's time i upgrade the graphics card, notice the CPU frequency
>>109276432sh2 remake on the eddy fight 8gb amd cards crash and burn but 6gb NVIDIA will just power through
>Heard that Winblows is using up 12gb of memory on default running ai shit in the background now>check my rig>14gb in use right now with nothing running in the backgroundI need to get off this damn os
>>109276497You need one. Then you need to post your cinebench scores.
>>109276839Don't forget his Blackwell 6000
>>109276900Yes! well actually i dont care much about comparing perofrmance on that. i care that i get consistently higher scores than every reviewer with my cpu tho. i want to see some scores from real anons in real time with the ability to ask them questions about their setup/settings.
AMD may be getting its own version of Multi Frame Generation, based on new information in the latest Radeon drivers.Leaked driver files include options for Multi Frame Generation with settings from 1x to 8x. They also mention other AI graphics features, including Ray Regeneration and Neural Radiance Caching, suggesting AMD is working on a major FSR update.If launched, it could generate AI frames similar to Nvidia’s Multi Frame Generation. However, AMD hasn’t confirmed how it will work, what GPUs will support it, or when it might be released.For now, this is based on hidden driver code, so nothing is official.
Shh! Shh! Shut up! Listen! Young lady and lass, enter the ass Open the ring, and the anus shall sing
A new report warns of a serious RAM shortage by 2030, researchers estimate DRAM demand could exceed supply by 28.7 exabytes about half the world’s current annual DRAM production.The main cause is AI. Companies are building more AI servers, and memory makers are shifting production to high-bandwidth memory (HBM) for AI chips instead of standard DRAM used in gaming PCs, laptops, phones, and other devices.If this occurs, RAM prices could stay high for years, making PCs more expensive unless production catches up.
>>109277043Not happening the chinks will be expanding to micron size by next year and they plan to continue expanding. In 4 years they'll probably supass all the Korean companies put together and there won't be any RAM shortage.
>>109277054'ove china'ate israel'imple init
>>109277067I don't care who makes my RAM just that they make it well and don't try to fuck me.
>>109277054>betraying samsung and Hynix for chink ramC'mon man
Hynix is the only next gen ram. Samsung and Micron may as well be shit bins.
Finally put my 5950X into my x470 taichi to replace my aging 2700xAccording to cinebench: Single thread went up 1.75x, Multi thread went up 2.65xAlso compiling software using all 32 threads only uses about 20% of 32Gb of RAM, so no need to fork out $$$ for a 64Gb kit.
> be me> Get a new 4 TB ssd from SanDisk and have Claude backup my home folder > Opus notices 8 MB/s transfer speed> Starts investigating, bad cable? What link was negotiated... Ok it's 10 Gbps > Fun to see all the hypotheses, SLC cache exhausted? SanDisk has that issue....> Finds two macOS daemons, Spotlight was indexing the backup drive and rsync was reading a virtual mount causing the os to download by cloud drive to "copy" it lol> Fix both and copy speed is 984 MB/sFeels good to have a genius looking over my shoulder
>GPU has Hynix vram>Ram has Hynix dies>SSD flash and controller made by HynixDo I get the armor set bonus buff?
>>109277112Hynix = neet ocer binsSamsung/micron = working man bins
>>109277145>have Claude backup my home folderCuck
>>109277176working man is fine with ddr4 I guess but ddr5 is supposed to feel next gen and only hynix delivers that promise
Grok, please write a parts list for an PC that would make /pcbg/ mad.
I was planning on getting a noctua dh15 g2 for my 9700x even though its probably overkill for that cpu, but it seems i would have some issues fitting my ram sticks. So what are some other good air coolers? Please help, this choice of what cpu cooler to use is the only thing holding me back from getting a new pc.
>>109277250def buy the new noctua aiogives more room for ram
>>109277250Get the noctua aio
I found a motherboard i really like the mag x870 tomahawk wifi, but it uses the alc4080 audio chip, which i remember reading has some issues with audio crackling in comparison with the alc1220.Is that still an issue?
>>109276296>but since we've established ryzen can't handle 8k micePoozen can handle 8k mice, it's the motherboards and the usb controllers if you have a shit one that will cause stutter>>109275654useless + voids warranty + waste of timeretarded>>109275643asian small hats collusion
>>109277484It was a big issue on my z790 board and Intel is supposed to be less affected than Ryzen boards
>>109276900I'm the blackwell chud and mine is in an intel system
>>109277250>noctua dh15 g2Don't, air coolers a complete fucking meme. Just get an AIO like a normal person and replace it when it fails in 5-6 years. They're stupid cheap now.
Chinese memory maker CXMT is rapidly catching up to Micron in DRAM production, according to a new report.SemiAnalysis estimates that by the end of 2026, CXMT could reach around 350,000 wafer starts per month, while Micron is expected to be at about 385,000. If that happens, CXMT will be much closer to matching one of the world's biggest memory chip makers in production capacity.CXMT is already the world's fourth-largest DRAM maker by wafer capacity and is expected to keep growing over the next few years.
>>109277858APOLOGIZE
>>109277858china... my overlords... i... i kneel...
>>109276363>installing AYYMDs bloated jeetware>not just running with whatever windows ships with and praying it just worksyou are not gonna make it
>>109277858niggas really don't wanna make too much ram because driving prices up but then it's so low you can get a whole nother manfacturer like these retards could have invested to up their capacity ages agois this market really that volatile? you will literally need chips and this shit foreveras a plebian low mid level iq person what exactly is the fucking problem? other than them wanting to earn more money and produce less shitthis shit has been happening for forever in the pc space and they collude and rig another disaster every tme they wanna up the prices like clockworkcommunsim wonmake the factories chingjingping dong NOW
>>109276632you can use thishttps://github.com/ledoge/novideo_srgbto disable 8-bit color optimizationwhich does allow for better gradients if the display is used zo 10bit
>>109276497the placebo richnigger goysumer product
Reminder that the RAM cartel is purposefully underutilizing their foundries to create false scarcity to fix the prices and every time you hear a company directly benefitting from this price fixing, like SK hynix, one of the three of the RAM cartel, saying that this is the "new normal", don't buy into that shit, they want you to believe it for the sake of their grift, but the truth is, even their clients are having enough. Thanks to their bullshit, Nvidia can't push as much product as they'd like, and Apple got so fed up with their BS after they ran out of their RAM reserves they're now bribing the US government to lift the ban on Chinese memory just so that they can push product at prices people are willing to pay. Not even the big players are happy with this bullshit.
>>109276739its unreal engineyou can just tweak ther.Streaming.PoolSize=to whatever doesn't crash
>>109278008>these retards could have invested to up their capacity ages agoThey all did and they're currently building fabs, the problem is that the west is slow as fuck to build shit while China fast tracks these types of projects. Micron/Samsung/SK hynix are investing and building but by the time their shit finishes China will have built at least twice as much capacity. Only way to slow them down is to lock them out of being able to buy the machines from asml, so I'd expect some lobbying(bribing) by the cartel soon to try and keep the chinks away.
>>109277043hexagon dies, when
>>109277858>CXMT could reach around 350,000 wafer starts per month, while Micron is expected to be at about 385,000Is this gross or net in terms of yields?
>>109278036>Apple got so fed up with their BS after they ran out of their RAM reserves they're now bribing the US government to lift the ban on Chinese memory just so that they can push product at prices people are willing to payI swear all of the memory companies are retarded and only looking at short-term gains. These high prices are going to let China get a firm foothold in the industry, and when the boom cycle ends (as it always does), they're gonna be scrambling to compete with China. During the bust cycles, memory is a cheap commodity, and it's not gonna be any prettier with another competitor around.
>>109278101>only looking at short-term gainsDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGGood, answer anon!
>>109278104They should really learn from their elders. There's a reason why OPEC tries to keep the price from going too low, but also from going too high, because when oil prices are too high, countries start building wind farms, people start buying electric cars, and so on.
>>109277522do you go around telling people to get blackwell 6000's as well?
Can the steam machine be a viable option as a sffpc? Is there a reasonably priced build for a sffpc? I want to sell my current system and downgrade to a casual desktop pc and pocket the change which I expect to be a few thousand
>>109274986I have a 12c deviation from average/core. Nice.
>>109278125>Can the steam machine be a viable option as a sffpc?No
>>109278125>Can the steam machine be a viable option as a sffpc?An option, yes. Viable however, no.
>>109274986>5090 asstral>5C delta at idle>16C delta at 600-680W>20C delta at 720W>30C delta at 800WI guess my cooler only cools up to 680W in a 27C room
>>109275153Hwmonitor added support firstHwinfo64 dev added support an hour later in build v8.51-6025
>>109278219my gpu always had it.
Nvidia hid the hotspot sensor on 50 series since Blackwell is nothing but rehashed Ada cranked up to squeeze out more performance, think Alder Lake vs Raptor Lake. It was a conscious decision to hide it as Nvidia knew it was a dogshit half-baked product but they're too big to face any consequences.
>>109278125>Can the steam machine be a viable option as a sffpc?Yes.
>>109278125>Is there a reasonably priced build for a sffpc?Sffpcs are a premium product. There's never going to be an sffpc thats reasonably priced. You'll either be cucked with a minipc or pay out for an overpriced desktop pc in a luxury small form factor that sounds like a jetengine or thermal throttles/stunted by power limits. The steam machine already got an update to further limit its power usage because the gabecube was overheating at the power limit they shipped and advertised it with.There are select circumstances where sffpcs make sense, but that is on the enthusiast tier of price ranges. If you're not willing to blow out your wallet on hardware that costs as much as a 5090 and performs like a 5070 you're not in that bracket. The steam machine might be capable of playing low spec games and doing basic pc tasks, but its going to fail in every aspect when it comes to productivity. Even a full sized pc at that price-range is going to struggle with productivity in this current market.Yes a cheap pc will work as a pc, but consider what you're getting and compare that to a chromebook or minipc.The price range determines the performance more than anything, and going for an sffpc is shooting yourself in the foot. A steam machine might be a better fit than a minipc at that price (I would agree) but it's not worth going for compared to a full sized desktop thats adequately specced for the price range. Still the price range is dog awful in this market. 1,000$ is below entry level in this market. All of the components that benefit a entry level pc are also components that benefit enthusiast pcs (ram, storage, gpu vram, etc.). The days of buying a cheap cpu and motherboard and slapping on better components are over. Companies make more money selling up and sticking what where once plentiful components in over priced builds so your competing with enthusiast builds when you look for basic components. A cheap laptop is going to go farther, butitwillnotbeupgradable.
side tangentthe job market in my country is shit and its impossible to get a shit job that does not require degreesalso most sht jbos require a driving license which i need money and cash to get in the first placei cant buy fucking anythingi am tired mans
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-zen-6-launches-in-less-than-two-weeks-starting-with-epyc-venice7 more dayslets hope someone who gets a review sample is smart enough to compare cinebench r23 1thread performance with a locked 5ghz against Zen 5
>i want a small PCOkay build a small mATX desktop rectangle / slim tower.>but the space under/next to my tee vee won't fit itSo clear out the space under or next to your TV for a shoebox sized object.>but maybe I could use the STEAMBAWKS insteadNo>butNo
>>109277489>it's the motherboards and the usb controllers if you have a shit one that will cause stutterall AMD CPUs have an integrated USB controller from asmediaand it can't handle 8k mice or high-end soundcardsmost users are blissfully unaware
>>109278380i hate cases in 2026 toofucking devolved apes could produce more better pc cases in 2026
How do I sell my 4090 fe that doesn’t have the stock cooler anymore? eBay is too risky to get scammed so I prefer irl. A buyer will want to test it that it’s legit but it only has a water block on it so you can’t run it without hooking it up to a loop.
>>109278523You're fucked, mate.
>>109278125https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PvFH3R There isn’t really an itx tax anymore, the only thing that is a bit more expensive than atx stuff is the psu but you can get cheaper ones but the corsair sfx series are the best. Itx mobos/cases are cheap these days but ram and storage is going to fuck u regardless.
>>109278523sell it online, make youtube videos showing it works, only send it in the mail after you've received the money
>>109278523facebook
I'm on ddr4 but I'm thinking of getting a 7800x3d and saving it for next year when ram prices crash so I buy 32gb of hynix binned dies and make a miniitx living room pc with it using my 9070xt and a fractal ridgewhat I like the most about it is how power efficient it is, it's a cpu that goes really well with miniitx
https://www.techpowerup.com/350774/palit-unveils-the-return-of-the-classic-geforce-rtx-3060-infinity-2-oc-graphics-cardTime to get outraged, Nvidia is bringing back an ancient GPU instead of giving us 5090's for $100! How dare them not give us the newest and shiniest thing, instead bringing back a mid-range GPU that's one of the most commonly used GPU's on the market! Grr! I am so ANGRY at Nvidia! They're EVIL!
>>109278761>next year when ram prices crash
>>109278767IMO they should just keep old production GPUs going as long as there is the fabrication is available.They should still be producing 3090s
>>109278767Does the "Infinity" refer to the length of the RTX 3060 production run?
>>109278832the chinese will fix the ram market
>>109278848The only thing 3090's have going for them is NVLink and 24GB of VRAM. The former was removed for a reason, but even then four 3090's for 96GB of VRAM means 1400W of TDP, and the latter is something that's still expensive as shit, and if the prices stabilize it'd make more sense to do a 24GB 4070Ti. Ada is a better architecture, doesn't generate as much heat, and the 4070Ti is about 3090 performance.However the main reason Nvidia is bringing back the 3060 is because Ampere was done on a Samsung node, meaning that they can actually make 3060's while 4060's would need to be made in TSMC that's been overbooked for months.
>>109278767it's for locallm fags because of the 12 gb vram
Is reformatting largely as simple as backing up your stuff, getting recent drivers etc, the OS install, and doing it? I've been procrastinating on it, I fear I'll miss something to backup. The long term win10 every reccomends is ltsc yes? I'm too spooked by win11 privacy issues and am currently running win10. Later really interested in a 2nd pc/reformatting laptop to Linux to run local llms.
>>10927888412GB is just the bare minimum to have a good experience nowadays. 8GB is struggling, so 12GB is a good middle ground. Above that you have 16GB which is ideal for most vidya but for local AI you're looking at the 24GB-32GB territory at minimum.
>>109278896that's what I mean, they can run MOE models with a cope card like that for locallm I guess
>>109278896(what I mean by that is that with MOE they don't need the whole model in the VRAM, they can also be partly in RAM)
>>109278523get cheapest DDR5 32gb-6000-cl30-48 RAM you can find
and with local llm 32 gb ram and 8 gb vram isn't enough for a decent context window and MTP etc requires vram overhead so that's where mr cope 12 gb vram comes in3060 kinda shit, but it's probably aimed at that market
buy intel and get some cheap intel DDR5-RAM
>>109278902>>109278909Speaking of, I have a 3090 and 64GB of DDR4 RAM at my disposal. Are there any larger MORE models worth a shit I could be running? I barely dabbled into LLM's and mostly stuck to smaller models like ESRGAN, Stable Diffusion or all the audio processing shit we've got from the boom.
>>109278523Just get a raijin Morpheus and nigger rig an air cooler onto itOr buy scrap 4090fe parts from ebay online and install the cooler onto your 4090It's not that hard
>>109277858>>109277868welp, there goes my hope of buying performant cxmt ram
>>109278940for coding the favourite child at the moment is Qwen3.6-35B-A3B but you can try other modelsI use the Q4 quant because of not much VRAM (I have 16gb vram and 48 gb RAM) and split that with my RAM, but you can run the whole thing inside of your card and it will be very fast. at k cache q8 and v cache q8 in a cline harness, it's a pretty good cope cursor.https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-GGUFgeneral rule of thumb is that q5>q4>q3 etc much more substantial difference than the comparisons inside that quant tier. with your vram, you could leave enough vram to fit the model and image mmproj, have mtp or the dflash thing and still have enough room for a big context so really fast generation.also for some reason most image gen models and 3d ones seem to be really fucking small for some reason
>>109278967cxmt is already in laptops and the price of RAM hasn't come down. then I looked up the company and it was established in 2016, so there goes the hope of cheap ram. sadge...
>>109278725I don’t have Facebook or any social media
>>109278888that should be itnowadays there is software to make system images, which you can easily restore, so you can make an image of clean system with all updates>ltscyes, or ltsc iotwhy you need to reform by the way? I mean it's not 2003 and XP anymore, where the system would get bloated or something would break randomly, and you would need to reformat
the more I think about it the less I want to buy hardware, everything out there in the market feels not good enough, ram is too slow, cpus run too hot, gpus can't do pt 60 4k nativeit's best to hibernate for 3 years and then buy hardware unironically
>>109278969Another thing I couldn't get right is off-loading the experts to system RAM with llama.cpp, I don't know if it deals with the offloading automatically now or do you have to specify the right launch parameters to do the split.
>>109279067You can just feed Claude the exact RAM / CPU / GPU you have and ask it what it thinks the best setting is for your batch/bash file for that specific quant for your model (or ask it what quants to use). Even better if you have opus max/high thinking from work or a subscription. Sonnet in max thinking mode will also work for that. Since LLMs are essentially weights that predict the next token/word in a piece of text and it can scrape the web to see what commands other people are using, that's actually the thing that they are best at. since you have lots of vram and if you are attempting to fit the whole model in your vram, you can force the whole model into your vram with -ngl 999. if you are using a bigger quant that you can't fit you use --n-cpu-moe and you can just ask claude for recommendations and then tweak it yourself from there by incrementing the number.
>>1092772314 sticks of 7200mts 8gb ddr59950x3dPeerless assassin 1205060 8gbMSI Meg x870eMonotech beta 2 550w psuBe quiet! pure base case
>>109279107>Not having any noctua parts
>>109279066All thats going to happen is devs are going to get lazier and upscaling is going to be the only new feature. 12gb 6070 coming soon now with 5090 performance
is building a pc really as easy as legos
>>109279134Not really, but it's not rocket science either. You'll avoid most issues by not hamfisting everything. For example when tightening screws, stop tightening when you need to apply more than fingertip pressure to keep turning, you're not assembling furniture here.
>>109278967thanksthats all I needed to know
>>109279134you can watch a single tutorial and read the manual. it's not hard.
Are you niggas really okay with your shit running at like 80-90c? that shit whack
RACISTS ONLY:the cryptospora outbreak is being treated as a top censorship priority on x, and likely of fb as well. It's for your health, allegedly. Anyway, that's the message.THE ABOVE IS UNTRUE IF YOU ARE NOT RACIST.
https://www.xda-developers.com/rtx-5080-first-80-class-gpu-nvidia-history-couldnt-beat-last-gen-flagship/What the fuck is this shit?
>>109279134I can't do it, my brother has to help me every time. The closest I got to doing an upgrade myself was nearly doing the GPU upgrade myself, only to realise that I forgot to attach another cord from the PSU to it and then my brother had to spend like 4 hours taking everything apart to thread that cord through the hole...at least after 4 years I can perform basic maintenance, remove and reinsert and unscrew and rescrew shit without stripping anything though.
>>109279227an article that's sponsored by tranny su
>>109279134Basically. It's a touch more involved, especially if you want to get decent cable management, but otherwise it's basically just tab a slot b design.
>>109279227yes a $999 gpu cannot beat a $1599 gpu big shocker
>>109279227just use dlss and framegen bro it totally beats it
>>109278967>worse performance (at the same clock) compared to hynixthis also applies to samsung gddr6 versus hynix gddr6
>>109279208so those outbreaks always happen so you should always be careful.if you are eating always pick hot food that is boiling. salads, lukewarm foods, buffet, cold food, ready made mixes are all just asking for it.
>>109279248(bacillus cereus is typical in left outside rice that has been reheated as well)
>>109279207if it aint hitting 95C, you aint using your hardware
>>109278967>new manufacturer isn't on par with old one yetwasn't this expected?
I decided I no longer want to be poor and get a computer with a 5070 or 9700xtMy current pc is>16gb ddr4>5600x>3060>b550>650w psuWith current pricing would it make sense to just get a 5800x3d. Pricing for a computer with a comparable cpu (9600x), 16gb ddr5, and a 5070 cost around $1.7k while just getting the 5800x3d and a 5070 would cost me a little under $1k. And going from 16gb ddr4 to 32gb would cost about $100 while on ddr5 it would cost like $250.
>>109279248>>109279264https://youtu.be/FxJXn1dOwGA
>>109279047There's a bunch of tasks in task manager which I don't recognize, and I didn't have so much earlier, I don't like not knowing or having some idea of what does what. Ive been running it offline for almost a year.
We are going backwards lol
>>109278390last time I checked it was a single youttber who tested it and it came down to the usb motherboardbut maybe wrong have not heard or rresearched anything about it since months ago
>>109279305>I want new toy NOWNOWNOWNOWNOWNOW
https://press.asus.com/news/press-releases/rog-swift-oled-pg27ucwm-pg32ucwm/new ayysus just droppeddid not know they were making a 32" of that too
>>109279305Waste of resources when the used market is already full of 8GB/12GB nobody is buying
>>109279279there's nothing that says new makers can't make overclockable hardware. micron is one of the oldest memory maker and makes the least OCable ram.>>109279305what? new systems shipping with 2x8gb ddr5 didn't give it away?
>>109279305apparently the timings on the RAM that is shipping with phones is dropping as well, rip
>>109279317>glossy gaymen monitor Y tho?
Weren't we supposed to be moving to a "you will own nothing and you will be happy" dystopia where all the big corporations are taking away local hardware to force us into the cloud? What's up with Nvidia offering the 3060 and AMD offering the AM4 if their Machiavellian plan is to... not offer us hardware that doesn't require a perpetual subscription? I don't get it. Or should I be outraged over not getting RTX 60 series GPU's and Ryzen 10000 CPU's? I don't know what I am supposed to think, conflicting opinions detected! Help me!
>>109279134https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmfF0k2UcU
>>109279341Don't worry, in the upcoming US Presidential election, a Democratic Socialist will get elected and will put an end to all this bullshittery that companies are pulling on the consumers
>>109279134There are only 7 fundemental parts. Just give yourself an hour a day and put one part into another a day and you'll be done in a week. Take it slow and step by step. I believe in you.
>>109279320They're pulling gddr6 from the scrap pile. Nothing of value was lost
>>109279134
>>109279376that case is nice which is it
Hello nonnies, my home server is getting long in the tooth but I'm not sure what CPU to use in it for an upgrade.Currently it's got an i5 6600 and that seems to run everything I need just fine. What's a more recent intel CPUs that are more efficient or run at a lower idle wattage?
>>109279388Lian Li V100
>>109279390ddr4: wait for raptor lake next next yearddr5: wait for panther lake nas chinese motherboards
>>109279390270k plus, but right now is a relatively bad time to upgrade intel because nova lake is just around the corner. If you really want an upgrade *right now*, get an am5 platform, otherwise, it's waiting time.
>>109279434raptorlake next is just a cucked version of 14th gen
>>109279317>27" 4kuseless
>>109279134No since it's impossible to break LEGO. You can definitely fuck up PC components if you're not careful.
>>109279228I've built three PCs so far but I always feel nervous about it when I do it again. Even though thus far I have not managed to fuck anything up so badly that I'd be out of money. Wasted some time at worst.
>>109278767> nvidia brings back 3060> amd brings back 5800x3dWhat is Intel gonna bring back?
>>109279706raptor lake once again
>>109279706the i7-4790k
>>109279706they already brought back the i3-10100
>>109279706Pat Gelsinger
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PB8pA9_Qiwamd unboxed at it again
>>109279755FINALLY
>>109279653if you build a lego star wars piece and dog rams into it you're fucked. if you build a tempered glass pc and dog rams into it you're also fucked.
>>109279662Yeah it's normal to be nervous considering how much components cost nowadays
Is updating your BIOS still scary in 2026?Mine has those USB flash utility things should I just do it?
>>109279662I don't feel nervous about it, honestly I find it exciting, informative. I feel nervous about reformatting.
>>109279767>anon has a dog with a sheep driver>is surprised it rams everythinghave you tried a clean install?
>>109279767sell dog buy cat
>>109274667If you have a good IPS monitor with decent image tuning and desk setup (bias lights), you’ll hardly notice the SDR image quality difference besides the panel finish.OLED makes sense if you’re willing to find good HDR mods for your games (RenoDX, avoid using in multiplayer) or if you want the higher refresh rate and lower response times for competitive gaming.
>>109279829if your bios says "no rollback" then its scary as fuck because if anything goes wrong you cannot go back.
>>109279134>is building a pc really as easy as legoscase:ATX: YesmATX: Yes ut some things might be a little tighterITX: vgh hate these cases all so annoying RGB, fan hubs, controllers, software etc: gay aids the most annoying shit
I got my corsair rgb ram my asus rgb motherboard my gigabyte rgb gpu with the screen my lian li infinity mirror rgb fans my hyte y70 rgb case now lets setup all the rgb on it should be simple enough
>>1092746674K 240HZ OLED OR GO HOME
>>109279829It's fine some even let you do it in windows but i'd advise you to never do that
>>109274667no unless you really want those better blacks and the low latency with stable fps
>>109279755makes sense my fucking ass they were selling 5700X3D for $200 MSRP never forget I wont
>>109274595Aye, if I put an SSD that has windows on it from an old computer that had an Intel cpu will it cause any problems when putting it in a new one with an amd cpu?
>>109279509it's god tier for clarity
>>109279980if you're switching cpu platforms then just clean install windows because the registry and scheduler does amd/intel specific settings.
>>109276528You need to be able to test the components before the return window lapses.Manufacturer RMA is more of a pain to deal with.It’s too late to buy GeForce cards at a reasonable premium.The guy who told people here to finance components with interest free credit card payment terms last year was right.
>>109279317>PG32UCWM Tandem RGB OLED>true RGB Stripe.....is it finally here?can I finally, finally upgrade to an OLED monitor? I had one MSI before and sent it back immediately the text fringing and purple screen were a joke I couldn't believe people were really using these. Don't let me down Anus.
>>109279979>5700X3D for $200 MSRPthat already got memory holed and your not supposed to bring it up
>>1092800124th gen woled\qdoled fixed the text issues on windows. linux/mac never had to deal with it in the first place.
>>109277250Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan Edition or their Fuma 3 are the air coolers to get if you’re concerned with memory clearance.They’re good enough for 8 core Ryzen CPUs.
>>109280004KLARNAAFFIRM0% INTEREST YOU CAN HAVE THAT 5090 TODAY
>>109280038YOURS FOR ONLY SIX PAYMENTS OF $1000
>>109280038nineteen dollar fortnite card energy
>>109279755>>109279979>>109280014It's amusing to me to that the people fawning over the rereleased 5800x3d are self proclaimed to be the rational ones.>Yes $350+ is perfectly fine as we just want the best in a bad situation, it's not fomo>No of course I didn't look or think about upgrading once when everything was rock bottom for months as I actually don't like PCs
>>109280047Just win a couple tournaments and it's a free 5090
>>109280054Just win a couple of esports tournaments and that NZXT Rental PC is free
>>109279281I’d just upgrade the gpu and call it a day if you want value for money.5800X3D is overpriced.
>>109280054that's actual work, so not free
>>109280054Pains me that a new 5090 is basically a month's net salary at this point. Possibly even more than that now.
so sick and tired of the AI nonsense, I really hope something really bad happens in the US and fast and forces people to wake up to the scammaybe china should invade taiwan, that would destroy the ai bubble, something like that
>>109279281You can also get around 5-10% extra performance out of your CPU and DDR4 memory if you manually tune it.That should alleviate some potential CPU bottlenecks.Don’t be stupid with the voltages though.
>>109280208what is the max safe vsoc voltage on am4 cpus?
>>109280202That wouldn't kill the AI bubble, but it would mean that none of us would have new hardware for years to come.
>>109280224it would kill the ai bubble because it would kill nvidia and honestly at the rate the prices keep rising no one is going to be buying new hardware anyway
>>109280230So the answer to high prices is even higher prices?
9600x 16gb ddr5 or 5800x3d 32gb ddr4 both systems come out to the same price what would /pcbg/ pick?
>>109280224That's a good thingWe have more hardware than we've ever had at any point in history but software keeps getting slower and bogging things downThat'd force devs to actually make their slopware run with acceptable performance or lose sales
>>10928023516gb is unusable in 2026>>109280233the answer is a bust, and in 2 years things will be back to normal
>>109280218IDK, there’s a good CPU & DDR4 memory tuner who visits this place.Hope he can help you out.For memory OC, you need to identify the IC bin of the chips (ex Samsung B-die) before you mess with the settings.https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.mdBuildzoid should have a mature AM4/DDR4 tuning guide as well.https://youtube.com/@actuallyhardcoreoverclocking
>>109280241>That's a good thingIt isn't. It'd cause massive inflation in everything that has any compute power. Even if you now have the things you want, you wouldn't be able to replace any of them should they break or get stolen.>>109280245>the answer is a bust, and in 2 years things will be back to normalThey wouldn't.
>>109280245>16gb is unusable in 2026Even on Linux?
>>109280075>5800X3D is overpriced.But its the cheapest upgrade if you are already on AM4
>>109280266I have 2 browsers open and I am using 16,3gb of ram out of my 64gbeven on linux I think 16gb is not enough
>>10928026616 GB is definitely usable.
>>1092802685600X is still serviceable even with a 9070 XT or 5070.I don’t see the $350 performance benefit.
>>109280254those guides are super old, you have to lurk forums to get new and useful info on ddr4my vsoc is at 1.12, I'll move it to 1.125 when I get my 5800x3d
>>109280298All the low hanging fruit have been picked in those mature guides.The performance gain from using a newer guide is probably marginal and imperceptible.
>>109280318buildzoid never ended up overclocking hynix cjr 16gbit like he said he was going to
God I was Linux was good for non programmers who can't just bend the os to their needs. I'm so unbelievably fucking sick of windows and microsoft.
>>109280297Are we pretending that 1% lows aren't a thing.
>>109280386This guy doesn’t need virgin tight timings to improve on XMP/DOCP performance.Let him worry about that Hynix die if he actually has it.
>>1092804231% lows are listed in that chart, and other benchmarks show the 5800X3D’s 1% lows are better than the 9600X or the 7600X only in a limited pool of games.If those scenarios are worth getting a 5800X3D, this guy had about four years to buy one.
X3d seems to be only useful for 1080p and 1440p gaming also it draws more power and is more difficult to cool than the non x3d zen 5
>>109279244At least samsung gddr6 doesn't run at 90c at all times.
>>109279244my samsung gddr6 overclocks to 2860mhz stable, it's effectively gddr6x speeds
>>109280450I repeat>But its the cheapest upgrade if you are already on AM4
>>109280538Cheapest doesn’t mean it’s worth blindly paying $350 if the 5600X is good enough for his needs.
>>109280538Not that anon but you retards had YEARS to upgrade to anything that wasn't dogshit on AM4. This isn't a new CPU.You can't have it both ways of supposedly really wanting to upgrade but completely ignoring literally everything the last 5 years.
I have no idea about intel cpuIs this a decent cpu for gaming?14400f seems slow no?
>>109280591it's bad
>>109280549>good enoughWhy are you still pretending that 1% lows aren't a thing.>>109280583
>>109280591That CPU is using older 12th gen Alder Lake CPU cores (C0 stepping).It’s bang average, buy it only if you’re getting a great deal.
>>109280627Why can’t you understand not everyone thinks those gains in 1% lows justifies the $350 cost?Are you AMD Steve?
>>109280627If you're still on AM4 you really never cared about 1% lows.
>>109280620>>109280628i just like to check this 2nd hand shop on my way to the subway and this is the first time i saw something worth considering, since i saw the 32 ddr5 and 2tb storageThank you anon
>>109280650The CPU should run around 5% slower than a 12600K.I doubt the included DDR5 memory speed and timing is high-end, you’ll be lucky if it’s 5600MTs CL36.
>>109280643If no one cared then everyone would still be building for the 5600x.
>>109280881Except people are still buying 5600X as entry leveling gaming CPUs.Someone posted that Amazon CPU sales ranking recently.Keep making a fool of yourself
>>109280916>Except people are still buying 5600X as entry leveling gaming CPUs.Are you pretending that you didnt say >5600X is still serviceable even with a 9070 XT or 5070.
>>109280994The guy isn’t buying a new 5600X CPU, he already has one.It’s better to test out the performance of the upgraded card with a tuned system before he decides to spend another $350.You don’t care about these contexts, you’re just here to argue.I am here to help people make the most out of their PC and their money. You are here just to argue.
https://www.newegg.com/asrock-phantom-gaming-pg27qrt2a-27-qhd-hdmi-30-khz-230-khz-48-hz-144-hz-dp-30-khz-265-khz-48-hz-180-hz-va-black/p/N82E16824028013https://www.newegg.com/asrock-pg27qft1b-27-qhd-180-hz-ips-black/p/N82E16824946003Would I be good with these? Mainly looking at them because of the built in speakers offered. Is it worth it to use the curved at my main display and the flat as a secondary for things like Discord with my friends, etc? Or am I better off investing in speakers separately instead?
>>109281032Get a separate speaker
>>109281032>ASSrockNo, just no bro
>>109281057Got any recommendations for a good one? If I get a speaker I can at least probably use it with my turntable too.>>109281127Are they really that bad? I never see anyone complimenting ASrock lol
>>109281200>Are they really that bad?Yes, they put the SHIT in "chinkshit"
>>109281200> I never see anyone complimenting ASrock lolI do. The AsRock Nova is the best value X870E board and rock stable. Would buy again.
>>109281200ASRock makes the best AMD stuff, avoid their Intel stuff. ASUS is the opposite.
>>109281200ASrock used to be the go to company for cheap parts for a lot of people but after X3D started to die on their boards in a much higher number than on others they ended up with a bad reputation. No idea if they still blow up X3Ds but given that we dont know their market share I think this whole dilemma is just overblown.
have had windows defender and windows update disabled for months and my pc still hasn't ack'd
>>109281032Look for discounted Edifier or other monitor speakers, you can get them for under $100 sometimes.
>>109281200ASRock X870E Nova is worth considering at $230 if you believe their boards are safe.
>>109281031You are arguing that a 5600x pairs with a 5070/9070xt. You are wrong.
>>109281471The chart I posted shows the 5600X is serviceable with those video cards if you already have the CPU.Not everyone thinks the better 1% lows are worth spending $350 on, and the market shows this sentiment is correct (Microcenter discounting 5800X3D to $299.99, Newegg bundling a 240mm AIO, scalpers can’t sell this chip at-cost).The market is proving me right. You are wrong.
Anybody else just been tuning out this merry go round cat fight going on
>>109281524What you're seeing is Advanced Warfare
could sell you're (you are) 5600x and get a 5500x3dif you don't have a cpu cooler that's an extra cost to consider thoughbeit
>>109281524>>109281553If you think rationally, there’s nothing to lose by upgrading the GPU first and tuning the existing system.If the 5600X owner feels he needs more performance afterwards, he learned how to tune his memory timings which is still relevant for X3D chips.The guy might as well make the most out of his $1,000+ upgrade if he decides to take that path.https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/104222682/#104227725
>>109281499>the market shows this sentiment is correctThe 5800x3d wouldn't be on the market if you were correct. But you are wrong.
>>1092816275800x3d and 5800x have the same memory controller and you can get the same timings on the ram while having 64mb more l3 cache
>>109281656They’re not selling well enough at $350, and had to be discounted or bundled with something else.The 1% low gains aren’t worth paying $350 for everyone.The market shows I am right.
>>109281675>The 1% low gains aren’t worth paying $350 for everyone.You are constantly pretending as though you are not talking about pairing the 5600x with the 5070/9070xt. Do not move the goal post. This is not 'everyone'. This is the demographic of people willing to buy a 5070/9070xt. The 5800x3d was selling at $500 before being its rerelease. If people are paying that, they are willing to pay 350. You are simply wrong.
>>109281800Like someone else said in >>109280648 , people who care about the gains of the 5800X3D over the 5600X moved on to AM5 already. Nothing I said in >>109280075 is wrong. The 5800X3D is overpriced, especially if you’re concerned with value for money.
>>109281840I haven't moved to am5 and won't move because I won't pay 8x the normal price for ram, everand people who paid $450 for 32gb ram are the problem, they are as bad guys as sam altman
>>109281800Going from the 5600X to 5800X3D with either the 9070 XT or 5070 will net you less than 20% improvement in 1080p 1% lows on avg, even lower @ 1440p.Paying $350 for sub 20% improvement is bad value for money, especially if he has 5-10% free performance to gain from manually tuning his system.
youre never going to win against this retard, he already tried doing it here >>>/v/743300636he probably sitll has a 2500k paired with a 970
>>109281871>will net you less than 20% improvementWith this logic the only correct choice would be to buy a gpu that is 20% weaker so that you will not waste money on the gpu for frames you will not get. Which still undermines your point that the 5600x pairs with the 5070/9070xt and is a good investment.
>>109282004He gets over 57% avg and 49% 1% low improvement going from a 9060 XT 16GB to a 9070 XT from a stock 5600X ($449 vs $690, 9070 XT costs 53% more)That’s not a rip off in terms of additional cost per frame.You lose.That HardwareCanucks chart may also be underrepresenting the 9070 XT and 5070 performance since it was published earlier.
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>>109282003That isn’t me.This mind broken guy thinks everything in /pcbg/ is about brand warring when someone doesn’t blindly recommend spending money on AMD.I don’t even like Arrow Lake CPUs.
>>109279335glossy is clearer than matte slop and better contrast>>109279509its 32" also retard i dont thnk they announced it yet>>109280012unless you wait for the 4k 360hz qdoled variant with also rgb stripe+black shield film>>109280024idk bouuot thaat>>109280591>ram is half the cost of that prebuilt
